Why is Iran building giant mock-up of U.S. aircraft carrier?
By Laura Koran
Amid ongoing high-level diplomatic talks between the United States and Iran, it's a symbol of underlying mistrust.
Commercial satellite images obtained by CNN reveal that Iran is constructing a large-scale replica of a U.S. military aircraft carrier, complete with fake U.S-style airplanes, near the southern port city of Bandar Abbas.
The mock supercarrier seems to have been modeled off of an American Nimitz-class (CVN 68) carrier, down to the number "68" painted on the flight deck, though its intended use remains a mystery.
According to one U.S. official, the mock-up is more akin to a Hollywood set than an actual warship.
The U.S. government does not believe the carrier is functional, or that Iran is even capable of building an aircraft carrier.
The same official told CNN's Barbara Starr that while the purpose of the fake carrier is unknown, Iran may be planning to destroy it in a propaganda move. The Iranian government has blown up target barges in the past and aired the footage on its state-run media.
"If this is all for strategic effect," noted the official, "then with all eyes on the construction that seems to fizzle."
Nimitz-class carriers are the centerpiece of U.S. naval forces, and the largest warships in the world. Few countries have nuclear-powered carriers in their fleets.
The revelation that Iran is constructing this mock carrier comes at a potentially pivotal moment in U.S.-Iranian relations.
Back in November, negotiations between Iran and a coalition of countries that includes the United States brought about an interim agreement over Iran's nuclear program. Iran agreed to roll back parts of the program in exchange for an end to certain economic sanctions.
Negotiations on a larger deal are ongoing.
On Thursday, in a message to the Iranian people to commemorate the Persian new year, President Barack Obama said he is "committed to diplomacy" with their country.
But amid the softened rhetoric, there is lingering mistrust in both countries.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the American Jewish Congress in New York on Wednesday that she is "personally skeptical that the Iranians would follow through and deliver" on the November deal.
And in January, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif told CNN's Jim Sciutto that the Obama administration has been mischaracterizing the terms of the agreement.
For now, the outcome of these diplomatic efforts and the fate of the fake aircraft carrierĀ remain uncertain.
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To practice sinking a real one.
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We are tierd of de western media and their propaganda for their parochial interest. US should leave IRAN alone and concentrate on the mess they caused in iraq, afghanistan n libya. R dey not ok? or is only out of fear for the future? if not they should face north korea squarely or the world most POWERFUL, RUSSIA! africa n the east is tierd of the molestation of the west!!!.
If we leave them Alone, how are we going to get oil?
Buy it?
I can see that aircraft carrier from my house!
That's kind of funny seeing as how that aircraft carrier is on 9 month deployment near the horn of africa.
We need to nuke these Uraniums...ah...it's all about moral equivilency...and...jobs, we have to create jobs. Obama is the worst president EVER. You betcha!
not as long as dubya is on the same list.
So the Iranians can understand nuclear fusion but the can't build an aircraft carrier? Who's in charge of that intelligence ??
It's foe a MOVIE!!!
http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html
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Shhhh....you're disrupting a propaganda campaign.
Probably. Supernu is right. Iran may not know how to build a nuclear carrier that wouldn't toast its own crew. But Iran DOES have a film-making industry, and tradition. They probably want to film a propaganda film, making US the bad guys, with a finale their intended audience would go wild for–the total destruction of an American carrier.
Yah you are right, the U.S. never ever produces movies that makes IRAN looks BAD on purpose, or Muslims, that almost NEVER happens! The movie is about the U.S. bombing the Iranian aircraft in 1988, its being produced by AMERICANS and IRANIANS.
It is a dumb comment. I'm pretty sure there are lots of countries capable of building super carriers but what they need to explain is that the financial resources and vendors needed to put together and maintain such a large and complex ship is probably not in place to do this. Also, if the Iranians truly wanted to build a super carrier why would they build one "exactly" like an existing American right down to the model numbers. That does not make sense.
If they intend to use it in a false flag of their own making, it would serve as a tool to incite hatred within the people toward American and a means to rally the country against the West.
I think our sanctions are more effective in rallying the country behind its leadership than an aircraft carrier a bit too short to lift a plane, or most planes anyway, paper planes not included. I like the movie theory more than the military one.
Fission*
Remember Iran claim that they got our drone in the past, turns out to be fake too .theyso they say they want nuclear power for a good cause. To me,they are lying right out of their butts.
"turns out to be fake too"
What is your source for this information. Would like to see it....thanks!
Yeah. Sarah, I wish that whenever CNN shows a compare-and-contrast photo, they would use two photos with the same angled shot so that folks could see whether its the same or not...kind of hints of supermarket tabloids, doesn't it?
Common sense. For their war games!
Whosoever posted this article is an idiot.
The Iranian government is un-trustful and frankly just plain evil!
Kind of like the USA.
Now now, Dont throw stones unless you can hit us in the head with it.
Maybe the US Navy could give Iran a demonstration of what all a nuclear aircraft carrier can do!!
Let's get Halliburton, Dick Cheney and Bush to take care of this issue
Right, let's ask the wizards. The wizards fix everything.
... or just maybe there's way too much incompetence in U.S. intelligence... No?
It's for a MOVIE!!!
http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html
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That is a good idea
While ours, is just the opposite! Right?...it IS isn't it?
Well....obviously one would conclude they are using the mockup to perfect radar signature, guidance and carrier destroying missile technologies. Then they might blow it up afterwards and show it to their ignorant masses and tell them they toasted a US carrier. Just like their fake stealth fighter airplane was fed to the public as Iran's newest technology.
I agree. There are lots of training and diplomatic opportunities from a mock-up. First, they know carriers will be involved in case of war, so training scenarios abound. Second, once some training/research has been conducted it is makes U.S. involvement more risky. This is a smart move on Iran's part. The U.S. releasing the photos is required to minimize potential propoganda value. The mock-up doesnt have to be perfect as nobody expects their military to get very close to a real aircraft carrier. I can see Iran officials easily being convinced to build a few mock-ups.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but, without the inner mechanics and electronics for a homing signal whatever they'd use to blow this model up, would not seriously threaten a US carrier, or it's escorts.
Training has to begin somewhere. I don't honestly think they can be a real threat to a carrier, but this is a start for testing out military theories by Iran. They can tell their citizens they have prepared themselves to combat the carrier threat, even if we know they would never get within 1000 miles of a real carrier. Again, their military brass must think this is better than doing nothing. Even building a mock-up of this scale required budget that had to be justified. If they only wanted to pretend to blow up a carrier for propoganda, there are much cheaper ways to do that with models and CGI.
Iran may be using this fake ship to fire off 1-2 missiles with electromagnetic pulse weapons off the coast of the United States. This is a legitimate threat which most US citizens are in denial about or just are not aware of such a device. The EMP is probably the most dangerous threat the the US right now.
WMD, WMD, WMD
Let's call Halliburton, Dick Cheney and Bush
Give it a rest Shawn. The Blamer is the president. Has been for 5 awful years. Thankfully we are on the downslope of his term.
Down fall was started long before. Thanks to Bush and his family. At least they and their VP are rich with Halliburton.
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Its for the remake of Die Hard VII
They experts say they don't think it's functional, because they are scrambling to find out, if Iran built this over the last few years and nobody discovered it until recently and it is functional, Jesus the Israelis will surely attack it. Iran does have the sovereign right to build any ship or plane it wants, but according to the little country of 7 million, they determine what is right or wrong (sound familiar). Perhaps Iran wants Israel to destroy it and then they can motivate their population for War.
It doesn't even remotely resemble an American aircraft carrier
I have to agree with you cfd. There is an awful lot wrong with Iran's 'identical copy' just from this angle.
A small team of divers should be able to sink that look-alike on the bottom of the port without much trouble.
Isn't this obvious? It is so satellites and spy planes could take a picture! If they wanted to keep this a secret it would at least have a canopy over it.
Hey we should never underestimate the effects of fake war machines. Towards the end of WW2 the Americans were pushing the Nazi's back to Germany. They tried desperately to prevent them from reaching Germany b/c Hitler was a master of regrouping. But the American tanks ran out of gas in a large open plain. They were sitting ducks while they waited for fuel so the Americans fashioned dozens more tanks out of inflatable vinyl and staged them by the real tanks so when the Germans came back they would think they were outnumbered. It worked.
If we land Iran we will not run out of Oil. Let's invade and send oil tankers
It's always about oil, isnt it. I'm sure you were one of those who said absolutely no to bombing Assad after he gassed and killed hundreds of children? Not enough oil in it for you?
How did the US, UK started the aircraft carrier program? Mock up, mock up!
Before committing 3 billions to build one, wouldn't be better to use a mock up to measure, design, test accessibility, functionality, and design reuirements: where to put things, how things should work, where the elevetor should be and how it should perform. On top of that, strategic and command training: running things, landing aircrafts, etc. Any country can build a low cost ACC and land low costs planes on it. Chinese makes cheap war planes now, they may not be much against the forces like US, but stationing them around the middle East can get siphoning oils from it a LOT harder.
What about pushing around smaller nations around them?
Canada puts out over 10x the oil that Iran does. People that keep spewing "it's all for the oil!" are imbeciles.
We have already tried invading Canada and it didnt work out. We need oil from weak nations we can invade and suck dry. And it keeps our military economy going. That's what we need, not Canada.
Its a spaceship. Iran wants to go land on the sun. They plan to do it at night. Safer and cooler.
my thoughts exactly. Thankfully there's someone else here on can w/ some brains.
Now it makes sense. Iran builds a sun bound carrier. Upon arrival, they turn a massive mirror back to earth and burn Washington to the ground. (Oh wait, the British beat them to it. Damn Brits.)
Have we checked to see if one of ours is missing/ Just sayin
Ha!! Not bad! Not bad at all.
Brilliant idea.
I am the Ayatollah of Rockin' Rolla!!!
To those who say we should stop picking on the poor, innocent Iranians and mind our own business:
There's no entirely 'innocent' explanation for building a mock-up Nimitz aircraft carrier, even if it's just intended for some sort of childish propaganda purpose.
The Iranian regime funds terrorist activities and brutal oppressive regimes, that are killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. It is Iran that has supported and saved the Assad regime in Syria, both directly and through its proxy Hezbollah. Unlike other countries, they also openly threaten to attack and destroy other countries.
While the United States is not perfect, and nor are other countries, no one comes close to the danger that the Iranian regime poses to rhe lives and safety of millions of people, let alone their liberty.
They got oil that belongs to US and Exxon Mobil
Your comments are misguided. Iran has never threatened to destroy another country, nor have they attacked another country in in several hundred years unless it was on the defensive. They HAVE had their government overthrown in a coup orchestrated by the US and UK intelligence. The new resulting Shah Pahlavi effective stripped Iran of democracy and ruled as a complete monarchy with a brutal, iron fist while receiving support from the US, until he was effectively overthrown in the Iranian revolution. All this because they nationalized oil (that was rightfully theirs) and returned money to its citizens. So please excuse me while I do have a shred of sympathy for Iran. Any monster you perceive them to be today was our creation.
Wow, someone with a brain of their own. Well said.
""The Iranian regime funds terrorist activities and brutal oppressive regimes"... As does the US. .... killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians..." As has the US. Iraq come to mind? "... Unlike other countries, they also openly threaten to attack and destroy other countries..." Right. They have NEVER in their history instigated another war. The US on the other hand? Over fifty.
" no one comes close to the danger that the Iranian regime poses to rhe lives and safety of millions of people, let alone their liberty." You are either brain dead or severely brainwashed. Your own country is a far, far bigger threat to other countries in the world.
Yes, there's an explanation. It's the fact you never heard of GOOGLE, right?
Let me gogle that for you.. http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html
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Dan,
Why do you have GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota Nissan, and the others? Its because its a free world, and any one with an Idea can and are within their rights to develop them.
If Iran want to build a flying saucer, or a UFO, they have every rights to do so, its none of our businesses. and If they want to build Nukes, or a Aircraft carrier, it should be none of our business either.
Why do we believe that we are almighty GOD?. Because this seem to be our behavior, We seem to want to protect our home land, but no one else should protect theirs, according to our doctrine!.
We are worried, because now it seem to be looking more and more realistic that one day we may be on the receiving end, and that's what we are afraid of, before we continue to believe that we are GOD.
Who cares what they are doing?... maybe its for a movie shoot.
This is a movie prop, for a film to be directed by Nader Talebzadeh and Paxton Winters.
http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/295806/
See earlier:
http://isna.ir/en/news/92041207490/Iran-US-to-coproduce-film-on-1988-US-attack
and
http://www.payvand.com/news/13/may/1055.html
This is LOLZ.. and the info came from U.S. intelligence officials.. ... and none of them had a CLUE that it's a movie prop? When will this incompetence end?
L M F A O
Way to go CIA, good job on finding nothing...
sack the idiots that released that info, sack them now.
Gotta be for some stupid propaganda bollywood style movie set.
It may LOOK like a movie prop, but I bet they've got that Malaysian airliner hidden inside it! They aren't fooling me!
propaganda. plain and simple. we do the same exact thing in the US.
Yes,
But we need to get ready for Iranian Oil
Go drink some oil, moron. Is this Dick Cheney?
The RQ-170 they captured should tell you about it hahahahahaha
A plane goes missing, a fake US carrier.....I'm just saying.....
got missing or got captured ?
The answer determines your IQ,SAT, GMAT, GRE ... etc
Impliment Order 66
Could it be tugged into the straight of hormuz to block oil tankers?
I think that nasty, evil, hypocritical government is using this as part of some propaganda campaign to vilify the "enemy".
Not sure what the Iranians are doing though.
who's nasty,evil government? ours?or theirs?
It's called a joke.
building nukes, fake warship, the staged 911 and the murder of 100<s of people. I smell retaliation. it's time to build my bunker.
Get ready to load Oil Tankers
You must be George Bush Sr?
Has anyone actually asked the Iranians why they are building the mock Carrier?
Ask? Now that's just crazy talk.
That"s a sign of weakness.
Do you really think you would get a truthful answer? Or any answer at all?
Hey Mitt, give it up, you lost, lying flip flopper.
So your answer is to not ask anything at all. Your gut feeling is good enough? Forget gathering intelligence too for that matter. It's no wonder your people keep losing elections.
How for something to practice on?
It's a movie prop. Why else put in so much detail?
It's not like they can blow it up for propaganda and trick people that it's the real thing.
You appear to no nothing about the members of the intelligence community in America and how easily they are fooled.
Sure they can. It's kind of easy to deceive people when the only news they have access to is state-run.
Iran make sequel to Argo
I wonder I'm Ben Affleck will return for this one.
Stupid auto-correct typos
I do like the non sequitur Clinton quote.
The Iranians are planning to invade the US for New Year's Eve.
Iranian "Top Gun." DUH.
Hey never underestimate the effects of fake war machines. Towards the end of WW2 the Americans were pushing the Nazi's back to Germany. They tried desperately to prevent them from reaching Germany b/c Hitler was a master of regrouping. But the American tanks ran out of gas in a large open plain. They were sitting ducks while they waited for fuel so the Americans fashioned dozens more tanks out of inflatable vinyl and staged them by the real tanks so when the Germans came back they would think they were outnumbered. It worked.
"modeled off of..." ?
Is this the condition of journalism and editing at CNN.com?
When you wean a generation on the Kardashians and Honey Boo-Boo it's hard to find good people.
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Sorry I did the wrong. It should be "U-S-S-N-I-M-I-T-Z". My mistake....
target practice for an aircraft assault on a US carrier.
I'd like to see that.
That would be sad. Destroy 2 of our buildings and we take out a country. What would you think the result of destroying a carrier filled with 5,000 service members would accomplish? You think we get upset when a bunch of business men get killed, imagine what would happen should the service men who are sons and daughters, uncles, fathers and mothers were to be killed by destroying 1 of our carriers?
This fake aircraft my be Will be use like missille kamikaz if there a conflict to attack amercain's fleets in golf but how when amercain's aircraft attack Iran in return this fake aircraft take the place for one amercain 's aircraft and attack fleet where Will be atterist good iranian's idea
What language is this?
Huh?
Why is there so much allergy about Iran all the time in news media and in the US? What is it? Looks like everyone is trying to malign them every conceivable way for no reason. So what if they want to mock an aircraft carrier? Does it make anyone's stomach upset? If your stomach is upset just take a pepto or go to the nearest bathroom to relieve yourself. Give us a break.
Wow, someone that actually thinks for themselves. What do you know!
thinking for yourself and putting your head in the sand are two different things. So what if they want to build a boat that is 2/3 the size of the real one but any given day, that country is a threat to most the rest of the world.
Everyone knows how sensitive we are here in the States when we are mocked. Damn it, when will they learn that words (and images) hurt?!?! These people must be wiped off the map, pushed into the ocean, or whatever. Mocking us damages our soul, and makes us crazy, just plain crazy about our next war. When do we start it, who will it be against, and what spoils will we win this time? Consequences are something we pass on to future generations, right now, we need to get these mockers back in line.
In 1980, Iraq attacked Iran. Amongst other things, Iraq launched poison gas warheads into Tehran to kill civilians.
Iran held a deep hatred of Saddam Husein.
The Nimitz was deployed against Iraq in 1991.
The Nimitz served against Iraq again in the second Gulf War and against the Taliban in Afghanistan, another enemy of Iran.
Perhaps, Iran is making a war movie about the Persian Gulf war.
Perhaps in response to the historic in accuracies in 300, they are going to make an intentionally inaccurate movie.
Perhaps they just want to portray Saddam getting his butt kicked.
Perhaps they are making a movie of the war in Afghanistan.
Perhaps is it just a tourist attraction.
Very doubtful that Iran wants to engage with the Nimitz, or that a large scale model would be of any use to them.
One thing is for certain. We don't have enough information to even speculate.
Um, I mean, big cover up, Knew Whirled Odor. . .
time to nuke em.
Thanks Hitler.
yes, cause hitler had any interest in nuking anyone. He wanted territory, for some reason he figured bigger was better.
I would rather have Hitler than the coward we have. At least you know he will fight to protect the homeland.
Don't let your hate for the opposing party fool you into thinking he is a coward. Just because he used diplomacy to get Syria chem weapons destroyed, Iran to start nuke talks and avoid the start to ww3 does not make him a coward. it makes him level headed and willing to try everything at his disposal before committing us once again to another foreign war. If republicans were in power now we would most likely be involved in atleast 2 new military campaigns and potentially another with Russia. Getting the international community more involved in world issues rather then just attacking people is to be commended and not eulogized in the memory of hitler.....which I really hope, for your sake, you meant in jest.
Classic lesser evil logical fallacy. Bravo. That only makes sense in a bubble.
"I would rather have Hitler than the coward we have. At least you know he will fight to protect the homeland."
Who do you want to fight? That's the answer to everything for you folks, isn't it? Bomb them all. And what is the threat to your homeland? Seriously. I can't belive the stupidity of some people. Like you haven't wreaked enough havoc or killed enough people around the world. Disgusting.
"Why is Iran building giant mock-up of U.S. aircraft carrier?" – So we can have target practice and blow it up.
Iran sure is a crazy place.
Well, Iran according to CNN and western media is a crazy place. What is the real Iran like? Live there for ten years to answer that. Do you think it just might be a LITTLE different that how it is portrayed to us?
Not really. The people are good, just as they are in most countries but its the government that is the problem....like most countries. All nukes need to be removed from this planet and since the superpowers have been reducing their stockpiles we can't really allow other countries to start building them again.
"The people are good, just as they are in most countries but its the government that is the problem.."
Gee, reminds me of a few other countries I know.
I spent two weeks backpacking/couchsurfing across Iran in January and can report that the country is full of kind welcoming people and i never felt unsafe for an instant. The media of both countries is guilty in portraying the other badly but i am embarrassed to say Iranians seem a little better at seeing through it.
Thanks for a sane reply and one with knowledge of having been there. People who leave comments here whose only travel is to Wal-Mart or a hunting trip in the woods really pollute valid opinions.
Right on.
Anglyn-re war...yes, it is a huge issue. A big part of it is that it is big business. Also, the average American has been so brainwashed, and is so ignorant of the issues, that they believe their government really is benign and well-meaning. America is an empire, in very sense of the word. The overall goal is to keep the global wealth pump going, and they are clearly willing to interfere in, undermine, and if necessary bomb other countries into submission to do so.
Every country brainwashes their people even yours. America is not evil and I would not say they are imperial in any way. What they are is Capitalist and that has its own set of evils but I would rather a capitalist country be #1 than a communist one any day. As long as Iran intends to build nukes then they need to be dealt with, if they don't build them then fine, let them be but until then we will be all over them. If you think this world is a better place with nukes in the hands of people who will use them then I am sad to say you are already lost.
Well, Given the expenses involved, and the fact that almost all the material must be acquired out of country?,.It is not likely to be just for some "propaganda" deal,..training perhaps?[but that could be done without building this],..practice take offs and landings?[odd but ??],.I suspect it is a part of another "external enemy" deal,, to try and keep the USA status as a threat alive in one! particular situation,[in country]..They have to know we can see it,even before they build it,..hmmm.. methinks I will let the grey cells churn on this one for a bit then decide,..LOL,..It is odd though isn't it??..
Boy there are some great modellers in Iran. Must be the guy who built that fake Iranian stealth fighter. He has gone "big" this time. Must have used up the entire world's supply of balsa wood.
Iran make sequel to Argo š
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do usa & israel use the internet ( youtube, facebook, twitter, chat rooms,ect...)to collect informations,,,,can we call that spying ?do they record&analyse everything on the internet?
they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,place of work,ur mobile number.............ect, can they use these informations in a way that may harm you?!
Very astute. Perhaps not our immediate generation, but the next generation will be so saturated with integrated systems that privacy and self-determination will become a thing of the past. They already use algorithms to predict our advertising, it's just a small jump to establishing civilian activity boundaries. Cross the line and be prosecuted for the probability of committing a certain crime.
Iranians have a locked country, they have a religious government, so, what can happen there? There are big part of that people willing to do some war against western!!! This U.S.A government is BAD! The iranian nuclear program is a mistake! These Ayatollah are perilous!!!
Yes,
We need to send our Tax dollars to Israel
Your grammar is BAD.
They probably want to make a propaganda movie to show to their minions and lemmings, showing how they defeated the American fleet.
Maybe they've found a way to sink the 68 and are using it as a training dummy for those thousands of small, fast moving boats they use. It's so sad to see how so many people are so quick to underestimate one of the oldest cultures on the planet. Your arrogance will be your downfall.
They are building a aircraft carrier or a Mockup ship, it is non of our business.
That has to be the lamest troll I've read in awhile.
What the hell is wrong with you of course it's our business they may be planning an attack on one of or carriers once they made it, it became our business if your afraid of a war get over it I'm pretty sure you won't have to fight, people like myself will and besides we volunteer to do it, besides its gonna happen sooner rather than later why not do it before they have a nuke I get so tired of you cowards crying about the military doing what's got to be done
I am not interested to fight for oil. I can earn my own living and I am not Bush or Cheney either
That's why we need stories like this one. Get our hackles up, stir our eagle feathers. The fact is is ridiculous wont occur to us until later for the most part. That's the Bush-Cheney-Obama plan at least, and it has worked before. When we start telling our own jokes about these things and quit being so earnest about their jokes, the Vietnam generation will lose power and all we have to do, mostly, is laugh at them.
Why is it you people always think were fighting for oil we didn't take Iraq's oil we had troops secure them for the Iraqis but if you can show me proof that we did I'll change my mind no problem
For your amusement:
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Some of us seem to be shivering in our boots, that The Hitola we brand as terrorist can build Aircraft carriors like ours, now we are wondering , if they will park it off Washington, or California?.
May be we should start accepting the words of the Bible, which said. " DO UNTO OTHERS AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO UNTO US" This may be what the world need to get some of us idiots conscious that no matter what language other people speak, we all are from the same species, and we mush have respect for others, and their rights to live like us and don't have to be living under threats , form any one.
"May be we should start accepting the words of the Bible, which said. " DO UNTO OTHERS AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO UNTO US"
No money in that.
The U.S. and Iran should first rid ourselves of our weapons of mass destruction, religion.
You are spot on there my friend.
This isn't that hard to figure out. Target practice. Forgetting, of course, that any Iranian aircraft that got within 100 miles of an actual carrier will be shot out of the sky.....
That's silly talk, the Iranian have every rights to international waters , just as we do. so you seem to be looking for a fight and one day you may just get a bloody nose.
Wow. Apparently, the Iranian lame squad is on the prowl today, protecting the brave Iranian morans against American comments. Go home troll.
The USA, when 'showing strength', often on their very own bring their carriers INTO attack range. It's fairly predictable really.
You dont imply WE are baiting these people just sailing around their gulf, fully armed and ready to have an accident or misinterpretation or whatever. WE are innocent until proven guilty and since we recognize no higher authority than ourselves that is highly unlikely. On the other hand, maybe other people would like us more if WE could fathom why they are upset. These are the big questions of our day, folks.
The want to film their own version of the movie Final Countdown.
CNN, thank you for deleting my posts, you are a true free voice of America!
Fake ship floats into US harbor carrying a nuke on board. Click. Boom. No need to build guided missiles if you can float it in. Of course, the US can't easily detect radioactive material in and around our country, so that would not really be feasible. I'm guessing propaganda. Maybe showing fake Iranian bodies in the ocean as the carrier looms in the background. Or go fasts attacking it like the USS Cole.
Maybe they could float weapons from one location to another under the guise of being a U.S. Aircraft carrier.
They have a lot of their soldiers fighting In Syria right now, maybe to go to there? To do something like that? The iranian government, of course, is funding jihadists and Hezbollah soldiers in Syria... what is happening there has a "hand" of Iran as well...
The invisible hand of Iran sounds like a bad rap rhyme. Don't quit your day job.
I assure you, aircraft carriers do not go around the world without being tracked. The DoD knows where each one is at all times. A report of a US aircraft carrier not where one should be would come down the line very quickly. In this instance, even before it's finished being built. So I hope trying to use it to mount some lame attack wasn't the reason they are building this thing. Not sure how a nation that can achieve nuclear fusion could be that dumb. OTOH, only other thing they could be using it for is propaganda, which is pretty dumb too.
You re-elect Obasma and you think I'M the idiot?
GW
Maybe they are concocting some absurd attempt to seize one of ours. Our military and police forces have "shoot houses" to train in preperation for such encounters.
Imitation is the sencerist form of flattery.
Sure it's a ploy against America. Once they get sanctions loosened up they have a 900 horsepower Mustang they want to sell for $5,000 a piece!
We should pay attention but not be too concerned – do not undermine the U.S. defensive capabilities – the U.S. Armed forces (overall) but specially the Navy are very professional and show a great deal of restrain in the Gulf despite the constant threats and harassment from the Iranians in the Arabian Gulf. We have had enough reasons already to fill lots of those speed boats with lead but we're not taking the bait. If you think we cannot defend ourselves from the Iranians, you're flat out an ignorant. Maybe the Russians can learn a little about restrain in Crimea/Ukraine. There's a major conflict brewing in a Black Sea near you.
"the U.S. Armed forces (overall) but specially the Navy are very professional and show a great deal of restrain"
That's funny. Like in Iraq?
FYI
It's the Persia Gulf.
I thought it was their gulf. Oh my bad. Right right, we are world cops with jurisdiction everywhere but no one has jurisdiction over our crimes because that would violate our privacy. Interesting little legal problem for the rest of the world.
"The U.S. government does not believe the carrier is functional, or that Iran is even capable of building an aircraft carrier".........thats funny but the u.s nows iran can build nuclear weapons . Just like how they new iraq had nuclear weapons. I guess building nuclear weapons is easier than building an aircraft.
Face it....there are just a lot of people out there that believe the USA has the right to bomb the rest of the world into submission. Biggest threat to the world? The USA itself. So ironic.
You mean like the Russians are doing to defenseless Ukraine?
The Ukranie is defenseless because this is a NATO game.
Eddie, are you aware that the USA and its security apparatus has been fomenting unrest and revolution in Ukraine for the past twenty years, trying to overthrow their democracy? Or do you just ignore that? Is it OK that they do so, and support right-wing anti-semitic nazis? You think Russia should just bow to this, as well as Nato's relentless push East? Seriously? You need to stop swallowing your media's propaganda my friend. Try looking beyond CNN and educatign yourself on the issues.
But independent thinking is time consuming and potentially painful. Careful, careful.
Kudo's to you for having the B-S to say what the maority of us are thinking !!!!!!!
No doubt planning terrorist activity, even though the war on terror is apparently over per our know nothing President Obama.
Yeah, must be those nasty TERRORIST eh buddy? How many hundred THOUSAND "terrorists" has your country murdered in the last twenty years? Oh I forgot...you're pready "democracy" and "freedom".
sorry....SPREADING democracy and freedom.
I'm thinking we need to kill one more.
coz Iran is a fake Persia
Obama fails gain .His policies toward Iran are a joke .They are developing nuclear weapons and he issues more apologies.
Actually, most intelligence suggests they are not. What, want another war? You right-wing nutjobs sure like to bomb brown people.
Looking at your posts Welch it seems you are somewhat of a nutjob!
Yes, but Welch is a fake nutjob like a big aircraft carrier, while you are the real thing at the top of your game. WElch isn't actually a nutjob, but we can be sure about you dear.
Even their despised religious leaders say they are not a nuke seeking nation. We disbelieve Iranians but believe our own leadership. If we can just shift that over, this convo might take on real sophistication. Just a thought. Our hysterics about falsehood might be better served cold at home.
Welch people like you are the reason this country is so jacked up you need to go to Iraq or Afghanistan and see what those people are capable of one picture I have burned into my mind is a 5 year old little girl decapitated and her head on a stake in the yard of her parents because her father helped us catch some guys moving weapons so yes I have no problem killing the bad brown people not all of them just the bad ones so get out of your moms basement and do something productive with your pathetic life
Wow, that diatribe made you sound so manly. It is a crisis for men like you to think about a different approach, but I am afraid the 19th century worldview has gotten old around the edges. So it is all about protecting the little people like me. Funny, I don't see much of that going on. If they are in my basement, I will enjoy seeing them come into the light day, but it is unlikely I'll get any help from you or my government. This logic that you are using here is classic and flawed as militancy tends to be. Everything becomes security, more and more fear. Until the notion collapses under its own weight. That's what fear mongers fear the most.
I agree much of the middle east is living in the fourteenth century. But bombing them into submission is not going to change them. I also have no problem going after some of the very nasty–that threaten our own security. But we are il-advised to think we can change their religious and tribal nature through the barrel of a gun. Or drones, that kill a vastly disproportionate number of civilians, and create more enemies than they kill. My biggest beef, however, is the hypocricy of western nations, who are more than willing to ignore international law and human rights when it suits their purpose. Seriously, have you listened to John Kerry lecturing Russia? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The hypocricy is vometous.
You lost me with the tribal nature argument. We are all post colonial here, if they are tribal, we are worse. Frankly, I don't think there's much tribal left even in Native First nations here much less in the cradle of civilization. Let's not forget that in the 14th century, the middle east was the only culture still in touch with ancient Greek literature, the only empire spanning
hundred of miles with an intact financial/banking system from end to end, and they knew how to make soap. Now if we want to get picky, which of those could we live without now?
Don't know why they are but one thing is for sure with the complete Obama foreign policy failure Israel is going to take Iran out. They no longer have any faith in America's current president.
"complete Obama foreign policy failure"
What, not enough body bags arriving home?
Hey are we still in Afghanistan? Oh yeah! As a matter of fact our Nobel Prize winning campaigner in chief expanded the war there!
Libtard logic fail.
Obama is no more liberal than Bush was conservative. Both cut from the same generational cloth as Clinton and that generation is determined to pay for their retirement with war profits since Wall St. has dumped them. Unless we lose, in which case, we can't pay for their retirements at all because we went broke fighting wars for 40 years. It only make sense if you see Obama as a false liberal extending the false conservative agenda. The Vietnam generation never recovered from losing, and they are really hot to fight the world and win. They can't, but they can kill millions and have, pursuing it.
War is your answer to everything isn't it. BTW, I am not a liberal, I am not American. Just a global citizen disgusted by both parties in your government. Tow heads of the same viilent, imperialist, vometously hypocritical coin.
Yes, war is our answer to everything. It is a real problem for us. We keep asking questions and hitting the same answer. I think we have a perception problem. A post colonial political psychology. Your thoughts?
Good. Let them fight their own battles.
I love how we have crystal clear satellite images of fake us war ships but we cant find a missing plane in the middle of the ocean
LOL so true
Iran is 636,400 sq miles, Indian Ocean is 28.4 million sq miles. Still confused?
Simple explanation, the fake aircraft carrier is above water and the missing plane is probably under water.
Too many folks think the world works like a Hollywood movie, with everyone and everything constantly monitored.. The Iranian shipyard is on land and does not move. Easy to photograph with satellite imagery. A missing aircraft with no exact known location and all emitters secured (with two entire oceans to search) means we may never determine it's final resting place. Let the real search & rescue pros do their job to the best of their abilities, using the various technologies owned & operated by multiple nations/organizations. It will take time to find that aircraft.
BINGO !!!!!1
Who knows if this story is even true? I don't trust anything the governments tell us anymore.
Could be for terrorist training purposes.
Why build it? For the same reason we built a replica of a Pakistani neighborhood prior to the bin Laden attack, training.
Here is a crazy idea: Let's ask them what they're doing!
Now now, talking with people may get in the way of war, build understanding, and perhaps even lead to peaceful relations. We wouldn't want that.
Ask them? Them? How did we lower ourselves to that idea? They took us hostage back when we were a second rate super power. WE can't let them get us again. Never ask when you can attack first and ask questions later. Besides, they would lie to us, and you know how upset we get over lies (ie other people's lies) . . . back to square one.
Amgly, you are either ignorant, or willfully ignorant. Or both. Do you remember that little thing about your government OVERTHROWING their DEMOCRATICALLY elected government, wingnut? Yeah, you know, because they nationalized their oil industry? Your defense of your corrupt, hypocritical, fascist empire is enough to make me puke. Get educated if you want to play with the adults, will you?
What, we wanted their oil back in the 50s? Wow, you would have thought the Vietnam 401K generation would have question that part of their parents plans back in their hippie days. Disco did damage their potential I am afraid. Well, I guess we should think about maybe a few little questions about falsehoods. I seem to remember something, something, something about the Gulf of Tonkin? But I could be wrong about all this stuff. My warranty is out. There we were not attacked by a real navy, very small but real, but we lied about it. Here we have made the leap to replica vessels, phantom vessels, wannabe aircraft carriers apparently a little too short for safe take off. Ok so maybe the guns will work? Other than the vessel (maybe) itself, since it is still on land, will not fire on us again? It does get confusing when history is factored in.
It might be something far more serious. A very similar mock replica of a US ship, copied in detail, could be a training exercise target for special boarders or those hostile superfast powerboats now hovering constantly about US naval military ships in the Gulf of Arabia / Persian Gulf. The Pentagon should not be yawning about this...
Same thought crossed through my mind. Wonder how much detailed information they have about the internal layout and if they are trying to duplicate it also
Did you know the Russians attempted to build a carrier like ours? Well, it's a known fact they copy everything (Russians and Chinese) – and while they may have succeeded at building something similar to ours, they have failed in making it work – that's where the rubber meets the road.
BOARDERS??? You do realize that there are 5,000 (I repeat.....5,000!!!) troops aboard a Nimitz class aircraft carrier? Many of those troops are armed at all times, and all of whom could be with about 90 seconds of warning time. You people really need to do your homework about what these aircraft carriers are and what they're capable of. They also never travel alone. There are destroyers, frigates and possibly an attack sub with them. Also, two carriers are never very close to one another. If another 1,000 foot long ship was seen on radar 100 MILES away, and didn't ping back that it was a U.S. ship, all ships within that carrier group would go to battle stations. This scenario simply isn't even remotely possible.
Oh, and to the genius above who made fun of the U.S.'s statement that Iran wouldn't have the capability to build the equivalent of a Nimitz class carrier, the answer is yes. Building a nuclear weapon may very well be easier that building one of these ships.
Maybe they're shooting a new Schwarzenegger movie.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody in the CIA needs to make sure one of their "Canadian film crews" isn't in Iran right now.
I don't think so. Canadians would get us some nice footage on the ground and put some background music to it. This looks like the work of us.
haha wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
All of you made fun of Iran when they announce downing the RQ-170. I hope this is another hit on your heads too LOL
this is the new Cheney class carrier being built by the lowest bidder. Iran won
It doesn't look evil enough.
It's being built to go with their cardboard stealth bomber.
Iran keeps their people uneducated and isolated for fear that they will rise up and take over. It's easy to fool dumb people with a fake aircraft carrier
Yes. They use the American social model
Right, we fell for that silly yellow cake story and still haven't apologised.
American here...Can confirm!
Whereas Washington keeps Americans fighting about issues like gay marriage and medical marajuana while on a steady diet of Cheese-o's and Honey Boo-|Boo.
Honey boo boo keeps us informed, don't you know anything? Take away Honey Boo Boo, and I would be completely lost in politics. The superiority of our culture is obvious
dumb is your comment sir. how do you know that Iranians are uneducated?
It's building it to frame the USA in the minds of all Muslims. They stole flight 370 to use as a carrier for a WMD (nuke from NK) and then regardless of it's target will blame the USA by sending a few missiles from the carrier at the same time the nuke is detonated.
How could John Kerry lecture Russia on "not attacking other countries to further their own interests" with a straight face. What a vometous pile of hypocricy the US government has become.
Lots of practice.
its Obama's fault. He encouraged them to build it
Trojan horse another nation.
The United States is pure evil.
I would never trust a government that lies, murders, imprisons, intimidates its own people, that controls the media, censors the internet and uses extreme propaganda against its own people. and doesn't allow for free elections of its leaders. The Ultimate leader is a fascist murderer claiming to be religious, he doesn't have a clue what that means. He's just a extremist.
For the same reasons I don't trust Russia. Its not wonder that they are betrothed to each other.
OK, enough about the US and Russia. What about Iran?
US should take this seriously. They are going to attack Russian targets with this aircraft carrier, which will effectively lead to WW3.
Iran doesn't have to do that. Russia is already creating an environment for the World to attack them.
When the Iranian people finally restore their democratically elected government and then the USA overthrows it (AGAIN) they will use it for some strategic purpose.
You are of course making a joke out of it and that could be the case. But it may also be they will use it to test their at sea aircraft carrier detection systems, shore to ship missle accuracy and other tactics to destroy US carriers, which is not quite so funny.
Gonna make a giant tub for it afterwards?
"Why is Iran building giant mock-up of U.S. aircraft carrier?'
Ask them.
Brought to you by the same Iranian who built a fake stealth fighter out of wood and spray painted it, then told the world they had stealth fighter capabilities. Introducing Iran's new super-carrier (made out of Styrofoam)!
Styrofoam... It's the worlds biggest beer cooler!
Now I get it.
One guess (and only that) is that Iran will sell the aircraft "carrier" to North Korea, for NK to swat around. For internal propaganda purposes, that could be very valuable.
Sounds like this should be none of the US or the rest of the world's business. Each nation has a right to beef up its defenses.
This is not for defense purposes, it is a fake ship.
Really? A mock United States aircraft carrier is none of the anybody's business? Your a delusional Iranian.
You are right. They are mocking us. How can this happen in a world we control? Before you know it, they will have replicas of our political leaders too. But they won't likely be as useful as the carrier. Shucks.
Would you all please stop posting your inane ramblings to these silly message boards. You're wasting my bandwidth and nobody needs to read your drivel. Thank you.
LOL, coffee and lots of water. If it's real bad, try to throw up. You'll be sober by Monday.
Hair of the dog! He should drink more!
But YOU are reading it....
The only reason the U.S. would release this story and the images is they think Iran will use this as some sort of propaganda ploy like they've done in the past with fake aircraft. I would take it a step further and 'secretly' sink in the middle of the night. But that's just me. This news story is a great preemptive strike.
I think this is American media propaganda. This is a hoax pic. Way worse than some of the UFO stuff.
You dont believe in UFO's ? You must not've thought it out very well, or looked at the evidence very closely. Check out UFO'S: SEEING IS BELIEVING. Its an old peter Jennings special you can probably find online. Then tell me the officer's testimony from Ohio isn't highly compelling. You could also check out the Disclosure Project after that. Then look at the size and age of the universe and how prolific life is on earth. Then apply logic.
Everyone knows that you can't trust anything that comes out of the middle east!
\lol...but you can trust Washington?
You must be new to ask that question.
Maybe it's time to show them what the real deal can do? I say "light the fires and burn the tires".
Anglyn is a fire-breathing dragon and I love her comments!
The Iranian's purpose of building the fake carrier is to practice sinking it with their missile system they bragged a while back, so they will KNOW what it would take to sink a REAL US CARRIER whenever they get a chance... It seems real in dimensions and perhaps weight and shhet metal thickness... They have already threatened to sink US warships before so they want to "know" what it would take to sink a mighty US aircraft carrier... Once they do it and they have the results available, watch them attempt to do it next time they are threated with the US Navy...
Sinking a cardboard replica is a bit different than sinking the real thing. What they will "know" is how to sink a cardboard replica.
Your explanation is quite humorous. The "mock-up" isn't close to being the weight or displacement of a carrier, to make it so would require them to make an actual carrier. They are not made of "sheet metal". Whatever they do with it, and it probably is a movie set and will be destroyed during filming, It is not threat to the country. Citizens United IS a threat to the country though.