Osprey aircraft deployed for first time in support of Marine One
By CNN’s Greg Clary
(CNN) – Marine Corps MV-22 Ospreys, aircraft that take off vertically, provided a dramatic new look for President Barack Obama’s travel detail as he and the first lady began a Martha’s Vineyard vacation on Saturday.
The Ospreys – making their presidential debut - shuttled White House staff, media and Secret Service members from Coast Guard Air Station Cape Cod.
The sleek tilt-rotor aircraft can take off like a helicopter but fly like an airplane.
The Marines say the Ospreys are twice as fast, can travel six times farther and are capable of carrying three times the weight of the Vietnam-era CH-46E helicopters which have supported missions involving the president.
There are no plans yet to have the president fly in the MV-22s.
The Osprey has raised some safety concerns over the years. It earned the unceremonious nickname “the Widowmaker” after crashes during initial development and testing.
In late 2000, the Corps grounded the fleet after two crashes, one in Arizona killing four crew members and 15 passengers and another in North Carolina that killed the crew.
But engineers redesigned the craft for improved safety and the Marines have used them extensively in Afghanistan.
Plans to build a new fleet of helicopters to be used as Marine One have hit multiple budgetary snags over the years. Obama canceled plans for a new fleet back in 2009 after projected costs soared to $11 billion.
- CNN’s Larry Shaughnessy contributed to this report
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Name calling aside are there any non-jews at the tresury...REALLY...will there ever be...
Can anyone really afford to pay anyone for anything ever...the great piramids were built with slaves just as the US economy was built by slaves of a different name...but the slaves think they are free when infact they are living a lie..there are winners and losers...
Is money real or imaginary...
Military types can think about aircraft and support but what about the New World that was created called the Internet...
Hard to believe we're in the middle of a big financial sequestration, huh? You know, if we just cut off all funding for the politicians (travel, secret service protection, paychecks) instead of making everyone ELSE suffer because the politicians can't seem to work together, I'd bet things would get fixed amazingly fast...
Eventually a direct Marine One aircraft will happen. You know that.
I'm getting less thrilled about leaders having stuff. I am upset about the USA and Marine Corps. I think it is important to say it again for the Aliens and gods. I don't like violence. I don't like the way man has animals in cages standing all day to be killed, or with their beaks cut off. I don't intend to support the military that dropped atomic bombs on civilians. If I support these things from the President to the veal cows then know I was trapped here.
I find it amazing how people can say they don't support the military, it shows how naive they are, not realizing what they have eg: (the freedom to post comments saying they don't support us.) Is because of the military and the brave men and women who are willing to sacrifice their lives for you.
I support the troops who are willing to step in harm's way. I do not, however, support the military leaders who use those troops as pawns for the political & economic gain of the rich.
You are an idiot.
I agree with Lost3. You are an idiot.
So much money spent on these toys when used for civilian transport. What a waste. If only we knew how much $ is actually being spent on Obama's self-serving boondoggles. Yeah, he needs a vacation, but why does everything have to be above and beyond first class on our dime?
Sad part is we as the public shouldn't need to know every little detail. Regardless if we like our current President of not their safety is a major factor of our national security. I live in close proximity to an air base and can tell you the military aircraft that comes in and out on a daily basis far exceeds the Presidents annual trips. His travel cost are a fraction of our military cost. Both are necessary for us to live as we do in our country. Plain and simple.
Um, the Osprey was developed LONG before Obama became president. Or even US Senator. How is this "Obama's boondoggle"?
They killed the Space Shuttle because each mission cost $800M. What does each presidential excursion cost now, $100-$200M?
About $200,000 an hour.
Ive read what I could find and to many red flags pop up on the contraption. Allegations of playing with maintenance records which is a common practice, its a grey area wont go into it. Its a paper work game doesn't effect safety. Compare it to a ch46 interesting why not compare to a ch53 heavy lift? Trying to make it look good. Very innovated but there are a lot of issues. The main thing I see is to much Politics involved and that is a major red flag.
When politics get involved they want it to look squeaky clean and pressure is put on the Maintenance officer and a couple senior NCO sooth Sayers and people work their behinds off and every now and then they get caught with their zippers down. But the bottom line is that aircraft stays down and I have never seen a knowingly unsafe aircraft get out of the chocks.
shut up. no one gives a shlt.
keep trolling
Why not build a tunnel from the white house to Andrews AFB? The President could simply ride in his car to the base.
Bush went to his home in texas when he went on vacation. Prez Obama goes to Hawaii which is much more expensive. I also think our country is financially worse shape than when Bush was president. Try nearly 17 trillion. Really! Another vacation to Hawaii. Have fun spending money that is not there. Rome is burning!
By that logic, the best president in recent memory was JFK. He was from Massachusets, and liked to spend his time on Cape Cod, just a short hop from D.C.
He was raised here, and it's one of the 50 states. Take your complaints elsewhere.
Pres. Obama does not go to Hawaii for every vacation he takes. Those trips to Hawaii have been for the Christmas vacations that the First Family has taken. On most of the occurrences when the Obamas have escaped DC they have been in Martha's Vineyard, Camp David, or other such locations. These east coast locations are much closer than Crawford if this tax issue continues to be your 'point'. Either way, the vacations and security details that either President Bush or President Obama have required are not the main things that drove our debt into the sky. The two points you're looking for would be the astronomical amounts of money that were borrowed to fight wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and then the demands to continue to upgrade a military which is supposed to be on the road to ending combat operations in Afghanistan (ie- Congress demanding that the Army buy more tanks, when even the ARMY has said that they don't need more tanks. When the Army says they don't want more tanks, that's when you know you should stop buying tanks...)
Dubya took 77 trips to Crawford during his eight years. He also took around 800 days of vacation during that time. Curious how many days you took off during those eight years? Not sure what your complaint is...then again, maybe you just can't stand the fact that there is a black Democrat in the White House and you will complain about any issue, real or imagined.
Not sure what to make of your comment. First, he is from Hawaii so it's not an unreasonable request. Second, if you read the article, he's vacationing at Martha's Vineyard, not Hawaii.
Hey dummy... If you voted Bush, you are directly responsible for 11.8 Trillion dollars of our debt, and don't you ever forget it.
Hey dummy you do realize that a President is just a glorified spokes person and has as much control over this country as we do! I don't vote for a reason it is a joke!
@Jon,get a grip man.Either to Texas or Hawaii it still cost money its just the frequency of the trips in which Bushs had many,many more..450 days off vacationing in Bushs first 2 years alone and his daddy over 1000 days off in his only one term,where were you and these other ignorents when the phantom presidents weren't in Washington ,in a coma..Pres.Obama has had a mere 128 days since his inaugeration against the thousands of days those morons from Texas took ...It still cost money,Air Force 1 and all the goodies in security,journalists whether again its Hawaii or Crawford,Texas ,Camp David and yes even if its a working vacation as well,nothing changes right!!So get over your hatred for this president because no matter what he does its law of the land with these perks and this president hasn't abused his position like your republican reps have and you know it,facts hurt don't they Jon!!
This is an article about an aircraft. How did it become about Obama? You want him to walk from White House to Camp David and back or what?
They are upset that we have a black president and they'll cry about anything he does. You can't expect reason from conservatives.
Race is not the issue in regards to the previous post. I is the economy which affects all. To belive that people are against the president because he is black is F'n BS. For those that are that nieve to be biased on color, then they need to live in antartica and live with the penguins since they are the only ones and are both black and white. I am a conservitive, and i belive that the person McCain should have chosen for. VP should have been Condelesa Rice. Take your f'n race card and shove it in the shredder.
@Reality,if you don't think that race isn't factored in even in some comments here you'd better get your head out of your nether regions bud...Go back and see the hatred,racist comments and how bout the dummy that looked like Pres.Obama hanging in a tree behind McCain,Palin during his presidencial stop up north,not racism,not only are you ignorent but delushional as well!!And Reality what about the BIRTHER,MUSLIM,KENYAN comments directed at him and he's malutto isn't he !!Nothing like that toward that Texas sized idiot in Bushs were there and you claim no racism was raised here...It's because of the majority white republicans racism toward this present africanamerican one in Pres.Obama that nothings getting done and you ignorently know it don't you..Record setting filibusters toward any job,infastructure legislation he helps bring up and did Bushs a white man get that type of brinksmanship ,I think not ..So wether its here in this post or anywhere else think before you write because race as usual is alive and well in America and most republicans here one way or another have shown it and I'm caucasian,Dem and am sickened by it as well reading it all the time!!It's time for America to grow up!!Remember also the catastrophes Pres.Obamas trying to fix and remember who put them there!!
Well when one of the first demonstrations of a plane/helicopter crashes killing the entire crew in front of Marine headquarter s with Congressmen and other VIPs watching they can expect some controversy going forward even if they get it right after numerous redesigns. Especially when the program cost far more than it should have (most all of programs these days).
Why is it that the blogs for news websites are always filled with trolls?
The V-22 is used by HMX-1 as a support helicopter, meaning it carries cargo basically. HMX-1 is the Marine Helicopter Unit that serves two purposes: they test helicopters for the Marine Corps in general, and transport the President and other High-Level VIPs on board their helicopters. The Ospreys used by HMX-1 are going to replace CH-53E "Super Stallion" Helicopters and CH-46 "Sea Knight" Helicopters in the supporting role for Marine One.
No, this does not mean that it will become the Marine One that transports the President. That's an entirely program, called VXX. Currently, it looks like the V-22 (or any other Boeing-built helicopter) will not be submitted for the VXX trials, and only Sikorsky seems willing to look into developing a new Marine One (keep in mind, VXX is intended to replace the VH-3D Helicopters that have served as Marine One for 37 years now). Previously, the VXX program produced the VH-71 Kestrel, which was eventually cancelled in 2009 because it would have cost $13 billion for just 28 Helicopters.
The best part is that these were used to transport the dog. Not only do the obamas continue to waste money by traveling all over on separate aircraft, now the dog has one!
Every president travels with a large security detail that includes a lot of vehicles. These aircraft and the presidential helo (the "white tops" because those have white paint on the upper fuselage) are transported in C-5 Galaxy transport aircraft and have to be able to be assembled and flyable three hours after the C-5 lands. They set up in advance for the president when he or she (gasp) arrives in Air Force One. Then the aircraft are used by the security detail to accompany the presidential helicopter wherever it goes. This has been the case since the Kennedy administration, though the helicopters have changed over the years except for the ancient Sikorsky VH-3 used by all the Presidents since Kennedy.
The Internaionall
The internet is swictched on and off again
Great Librarians are a help in aviating the facts
the Internet shape shifts
The Internet if for facts and food for thought
The Internet is Government
The Internet is was and will be
The Internet is life and death
Another waste of government funds. Give it to the Marines, who will use it for intended purpose, not as a pimp mobile.
Pimp mobile?
The Internet is alive
There is a inside and outside game in/one the Internet
Pimp my Marine One!
Is the Internet for thinking in linear fashon or non linear fashion or both
Is the Internet more scary than flying today
trolls are real or imaginary today
...bet they draw straws to see who flies that thing on the tarmac...
What is THAT going to cost taxpayers?
Nothing is too good for our emperor!
sick and tired of Obama hating whiners. it's still time to join snowden in Russia. President Obama save this country. BTW I love kool aid! If anybody didn't need to go on vacation is it the congress who never work. Obama works non stop and he is always doing his job. Only so much he can do alone. As low as the congress's poll numbers are they need to not take vacations. As for my tax dollars, I choose not to pay them.
Really? LOL
Nice of you to bring up vacations. How many of those has Obama and his family taken now at our expense. Every other week one of them is spending millions if not billions of our tax dollars for their entertainment. Most Americans don't get more than 2 weeks of vacation a year. Think Obama and his family would do that? Of course not. You need to look good and hard at this guy you are worshipping.
Wobbles get a clue. The only reason why you are attacking this president is because you hate him. You would never go after a Republican for taking vacations would you troll?
Don't forget the chrome wheelie-spinners.
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This was always a Bush pet project for Texas. I wonder what type of Washington wheels are spinning?
Well, for one thing it is a better, more modern, and much more capable airframe. The newest CH-46's are older than almost anyone now flying them. really don't think you can just say "it was a Bush thing for Texas" as if that was the beginning and the end of the discussion. It just shows your bias and your ignorance of the topic under discussion, which is aircraft, not politics. But some folks who like to label themselves as "progressive" seem to not be able to progress out of their beds in the morning without making everything they see about politics I've noticed.
Oooooo Now let me hate the Marines and their Ospreys just because Obama is attached to them now!
What a bunch of whiners... the president is on vacation .. too many vacations... the president is flying all over the world ... too much travel ..... the president is in the whitehouse ... he is out of touch with everyone.. the president is traveling the US ... he should be back in DC...
And everyone wonders why mostly id iots run for president!?!?
Why didn't you run yet?
LOL
Agreed 100% it doesnt matter that Bush took off the most vacation days ever in the History of any US President including one that was in offce 12 years? during WWII lol hypocrite Trolls
I don't worry about these vacations that any president takes. They are always on call, no matter where they go. The guy with the phone to launch the missiles is always around. They are always getting briefings. It anything major happens, they are told about it. It's a killer job. Look at the before and after pictures of any president. They age fast.
Tampon in a bit tight, dude?
do you not think he is skipping his morning brief? He's still and charge, still doing his job. Some people just like to whine and hate.
There is an irony that civil servants, law enforcement, and even military members must use commercial airlines, while White House staff, entirely civilian, fly around in military aircraft. Ridiculous.
Hmmm white house staff = civil servants
HA HA HA HA HA!
They are Barry's servants not ours.
Rats
I'd say why don't they write about when Obama's NOT on vacation but there'd be nothing to report!
Incredible!
A number of commets state that the V-22 program is Obama's "fault".
Look at the facts:
The JVX program that led to the requirement for the V-22 Osprey was initiated during the Ronald Reagan administration.
Development of the V-22 occurred during the George H.W. Bush administration.
Testing of the V-22 occurred during the Clinton administration
But here's the kicker – The George W. Bush administration requested $1.6 Billion for V-22 funding in FY2004 and full-rate production was authorized in 2005.
Obama did not become President until 2009.
So, how is Obama responsible for the V-22? Lots of uninformed jerks on this ste.
What gets me is 20-30 years to develop an aircraft and get it into production and operating capability. This AC has been in the works as long as I can remember (back to early 80s) and is just now (in the last few years) getting into extensive service. Crazy. F-15 dev started late 60s, first flight 1974, Initial Operating Capability 1977. F-16 dev started early 70s, first flight 1977, IOC 1980. But F-22 dev started early 80s, first flight 1997, IOC 2005. The Osprey seems to have had the same sort of story.
They are racist who look for any little thing to go after Obama.
It's not racism to want representative government for our country
instead of a government that doesn't represent my perspective.
Davecu you just explained perfectly why no one will vote a Republican as President. We do not need your belief in government; we need a President that listens to ALL citizens of the United States.
It's not racist to call a weak president who's policies and actions are detrimental to our great country a weak president who's policies and actions are detrimental to our great country. He is a failure and should have never been allowed to run for office let alone re-election. He makes a complete mockery of the office and disgraces our veterans. He has made the US look weak in the eyes of our enemies as well as our allies. He bows to Muslim leaders but snubs his nose at our biggest allies. The radicals in the middle east said they want the US out and he closes 22 embassies...they win. Complete and total failure. I'll vote for Hillary with you since almost anyone will be an improvement.
AN1 you are an embarrassment. Lay off the limbaugh for a while.
the same people who think he shut down the shuttle transport system
Obama is pretty much worthless, whereas the Osprey actually has some worth. Therefore, there is no connection between the two.
Good! These crash a lot!
Unfortunately you won't be on one since it is obvious you don't have any guts to serve.
You should be ashamed of yourself for this comment. Do you really think it was fair political comment! I guess you woulld rather still have George Bush, the Commander in Chief, who brought us Iraq; to get rid of those weapons of mass destruction.
The United States President is also known as the Commaner in Cheif,and his protection is the utmost importance.
If Michelle can do Spain on $1000,000 a day, certainly the Emperor can have this expensive babble. What happened to a motorcade to the mountains of Maryland for some skeet shooting?
Protection my foot – he's never at his damn desk! Usually the POTUS is protected while he's working????/ Fat chance Obama needs THAT.
His security detail is 100% occupied sitting around twiddling their thumbs while he has parties, plays golf, goes on VERY expensive holidays.
Mind you he DOES need them to keep an eye on all the money Hollywood degenerates give him when he goes there with his begging bowl! Phttt!
Please tell me this is a joke. You libs voted him in. This has got to be a joke! You libs are stuck with this sad sack! Are these people for real?
Sad sack? Excuse me? Who voted Bush in? Who voted Issa in? Who voted McConnell in? Get lost trolls get lost. You fools are what is destroying this country with your partisanship.
Wow...people can really watch this man spend this country into bankruptcy and they blame everyone else but him... Republicans by all means have blame for this mess but Democrats are leading the charge. Our entire gov't has become the exact same type of corrupt force our ancestors declared independence from and you sit here and throw mud at each other. Open your eyes.
Oh Taco your lack of education is showing. Who are the ones that work this country to the ground? CONGRESS YOU DAMN FOOL. Obama doesn't write the laws, the legislations, and everything else. If you people didn't think schools were some damn Liberal indoctrination technique you would know this.
I've decided after reading the comments section over the last few weeks I want to start a website called: "Wacko-Bingo". Every week I post a "bingo board" on the website with the squares of the rows and columns filled in with all of the crazy political things get obsessed about: Abortion; Obamacare, Benghazi, the IRS thing, etc.
What you as a player have to do is find postings by the fewest number of individuals tied to the most un-related stores. Like for example, its just a matter of time before some crazy in this comments section mentions Abortion. So you put that persons handle in your bingo board under "abortion".
At the end of the week, the winner is the person with the fewest handles in their bingo board (meaning the fewest crazies comments on a lot of topics on the board) AND when the subject article is totally unrelated to the topic (In this example, a strong showing would be an abortion or obamcare comment against a airplane story like this one).
Who wants to play?!?!?!
taco
the factis that Obama has had the lowest deficit in 30 years...
you ignorant trolls usually come from southern welfare states were most schools are substandard in education....
welcome to no child left behind education policies of Reagan and Bush's..... remember no child left behind.... it's when we spent billions of additional dollars on education .... and we fell to 34 th in the world on education.....
.............................you can't fix stupid......................
You forgot John Boehner.
I have the first one! A post about a non-existent game proposed to insult or humiliate 'the other team'.
considering how many folks on the left that got caught voting multiple times for Obama, it is fair to say "you" when speaking of who voted for O-fascist. Some of his poll results are the kind of numbers not seen outside a 3rd world tinpot dictatorship, which coincidentally is what he seems to be striving to turn this country into.
HAHAHAHAHAHA wobbles you are such a liar. Get off of limbaugh you uneducated fool.
Hitman – you NAILED IT! Well said.
sore loser wake up and grow up
wow !! nice toy !! let's load babby up with 10,000 lb bombs and drop 'em vertically on Al Qaeda towns.
what a waste of money.
not a dime, it we load it up with bombs and drop them straight on al qaeda countries like Pakistan or Yemen..
Ya totally! Like that stupid moon mission thing back in the 60s. There isn't even any gold nuggets on the moon to get! Sheesh! Nothing ever valuable comes out of pushing the envelope of technology! We should all spend our time staring at rocks concentrating now how perfect they are in all their glory! That way we'd never waste any money...
Seriously people, get a grip. Remember, if we never pushed the envelope of technology we never would make massive leaps forward in the standard of living. If we as a society weren't trying to achieve the unattainable we wouldn't have invented things like the transistor and without that you would be staring at rocks as opposed to typing comments on your computer. Also, you can thank DARPA (more USG spending) for the internet (not Al Gore); it was created out of a different military "boondoggle" called ARPAnet.
While not every attempt is a success off the bat, remember that ever dollar spent pushing the envelope is likely to benefit society in the long run (e.g. Race to the moon in the 60s, ARPAnet, etc). Whether you like it or not, advancements made under military/NASA development projects likely are the source for the vast majority of advancements to your day to day life in the last 60 years that are (who likes their Tempur-Pedic bed? Thank NASA).
So in summary, just because a product at as a stand alone object isn't a complete success or useful to you as an individual, it doesn't mean that all of the advancements made pushing the envelope of engineering won't one day enhance your life. We should thank our lucky stars that the USG still spends our tax dollars on projects like this because that is the only thing that keeps pushing technology forward in unprofitable areas that, magically, after a little investment become the seed for advancing our economy (e.g. ARPAnet -> Global Internet).
How does the President getting a new Osprey have anything to do with new technology. The technology is already there and has been for decades now.
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There's a damned good reason why it isn't used to fly the president around. It's a second stringer. Review of crash incidents specifically revealed that pilot error was not the sole cause in all crashes. Loss of lift during combat landings was also a major issue. The thing is a hideously expensive fail, propped up by the military to justify the amount of money they have spent on it (and expect to get in the form of kickbacks after retiring), and by members of congress who have components manufactured in their districts. I would invite the president to make that his sole form of transportation, not just an expensive backup. Go on, replace those stupidly expensive helicopters with the Osprey! No damned way the Secret Service goes for that. What this is, people, is putting all the fails in one place.
Supposedly they have worked out the kinks. One or two crashes can be called pilot error. the number of crashes these have had definitely pointed to some sort of stability issue near the ground. I heard that they have quietly implemented some fixes that made the aircraft handle a lot better near the ground. The military doesn't want this to get out for fear of law suits.
Please, no. Biden is the VP.
At FREEDOM. You people? LOL!
Yeah you people troll.
OOOOO, send me to the burn unit!
The V-22 Osprey is a maintenance nightmare, with over 2,100 critical parts that must be inspected regularly (every 100 hrs) and replaced often with incredibly expensive, certified milspec parts. No other armed force on the planet would ever purchase this boondoggle, except maybe Saudi Arabia.
And no other aircraft is capable of what the Osprey does either. Faster than any helicopter, but can land like a helicopter without a runway.
Ever hear of an AV-8 Harrier? How about a VTOL F-35(VTOL stands for vertical takeoff and landing) And they'd both dust an Osprey. So anyway........back to the story---If you like it, thank Obama. If you hate it, blame Bush. Same concept for every CNN post, day after day.......Will it ever end?
Yes, all true. "Widowmaker" was not it's first moniker; that was "Marine Killer."
Yeah it's an amazing piece of technology. All helicopters are a maintenance nightmare, but this one is a helo X 10 in complexity. Definitely a tough beast to manage.
Just had a dream that every democrat on earth was abducted aliens and was remove from the earth....what a great place this would be without the worthless democrats!!!!
What would be a great thing to happen is for you extremists to get an education.
Or indoctrination? Real, practical education is not climate change or racial grievance at 60k a pop.
Big Bob stop being a fool. Everything isn't some Liberal indoctrination technique you foolish troll. For you to think such thing shows the lack of education you have.
Perhaps you should step away from the urinal long enough to educate yourself on what's actually being done by which party and who's standing on the nuts of progression by their political grandstanding. By far the GOP are what's slowing the wheels of progress which, by the way, is a direct result of the Democratic Party.
And by "progress", you really mean "socialist utopia".
Mark get a life. I have never lived in a so-called "socialist utopia" nor want one, but I can see that you are living in your so-called conservative utopia where only your beliefs should be present in government.
You're right, if allowing an influx of 12 million illegal aliens in our country, who will change the the face of this once vibrant nation is progress. If cozying up to the muslim brotherhood, who have pledged to bring down the infidels house by their own hands is progress, if record numbers of people on food stamps is progress, then yes, I have pee all over my hands.
Careful what you wish for cuz I could go on and on, but CNN probably won't let me. But you folks will just correct my spelling and tell me to stop watching faux news.
Big Bob I recommend you do. Sad state of affairs when you people only look at one media source for information (yet bash CNN and other media networks for being bias when Fox News does the same thing). Also MrConservative, Limbaugh, conservapedia, and other such sites aren't other media sources.
Also 12 million illegals? Wasn't it 8 million a week ago? Then 11 million a month ago? You guys never have a correct number and just spout random numbers cause you think that is what it is.
Thank God the Republicans are slowing this train wreck our economy is in a shambles because of the Affordable care act, companies are reducing hours and benefits. More people on food stamps and welfare because this administration has no plan for job growth none at all. Foreign policy is an absolute joke and our military is being gutted. The treasury is printing money with nothing to back it when the bill comes due watch the hyperinflation that roils this country. The poor will be worse off and the middle class will disappear. Step away from the kool aid and go investigate the facts PLEASE
Yeah sure Fran sure. No Republican involvement at all for the problems we have.
You would just find somebody else to hate just as much.
You need to change meds – soon.
brian
go back to your double wide trailer drink a beer beat your wife and shut up
I am amazed at the extremely negative opinions submitted by commentators about the V-22 Osprey. I wonder how these people could come to those views without any knowledge about the "facts" concerning the selection, development, accident history, fail-safe features and current use of the Osprey. Comments like "unsafe", "widowmaker", "boondoggle", "crash on engine failure" show that the writers are either uninformed or maliciously biased. These views suggest that our military leaders would procure a vehicle that would put out troops in harms way at an unnecessarily high cost.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The selection of the tilt rotor aircraft gfor future vertical assault and transport needs was initiated by a Joint Technology Assessment Group (JTAG) in 1982. The JTAG consisted of scientist, engineers and officers from each branch of service and from NASA. Various vertical take off concepts were evaluated for Marine vertical assault, Navy rescue, Air Force special operations, Army medical evacuation, combat air assault and combat logistic support missions. Mission effectiveness, operational and life-cycle cost, and survivability were among the factors studied. The tilt rotor aircraft emerged as the clear best choice.
The V-22, however, did encounter a number of highly publicised crashes that involved loss of life. The leading causes were pilot error (operationg ouside the prescribed flight envelope), maintenance error, or (in early development – since corrected) design error. No accidents have been attributed to the "tilt rotor concept". (To correct an incorrect statement in a prior comment, the XV-15 Tilt Rotor demonstrator aircraft experienced an engine failue on two occasions, but landed safely both times due to the "cross-shaft" that carries power from the remaining engine to the rotor on the opposite side).
To see what our military leaders are saying about the V-22, check out: http://www.navair.navy.mil/v22/
Procurement of the V-22 Osprey is now being considereded by several foreign countries – so there may be an economic windfall to this program as well.
I encourage the readers to "get the facts" before forming an opinion.
You need to understand that the majority of the negative comments are made by individuals incapable of making anything else. Some are actually paid to sit here and post the negative comments.
You are right.
I would like to watch it, Im an old Crewchief and Im still not impressed with it. I don't take the word of reports because they wont tell all. Yeah I know Im old and a bit biased but will it pan out. I would like to discuss more but I need to read whats available out there on this contraption. Is this capability even worth the expense.
The aircraft industry will make a anything sound good. The F-16 was an aircraft overpriced a better and cheaper aircraft was the F-20 but privately funded. The F-111 was a nightmare to work on but once up it did the job. I can go on and on, but I know what works because all crewchiefs hung out together and nothing better to do than drink beer and complain with maintenance stories.
>On 20 July 1992, pre-production V-22 #4's right engine failed and caused the aircraft to drop into the Potomac River by Marine Corps Base Quantico with an audience of congressmen and other government officials. Flammable liquids collected in the right nacelle and led to an engine fire and subsequent failure. All seven on board were killed and the V-22 fleet was grounded for 11 months following the accident.
Yes it has been redesigned. Yes after the billions we have p_ssed away on the thing, it better well be safe, decades after it was supposed to enter service. I have a feeling today it is very safe but when an aircraft starts off life so poorly it can expect some controversy for years to come. That said the V22 is far less expensive cluster f_ck than the F35 debacle.
That doesn't negate the fact that the program was a huge acquisitions failure. Acquisitions students in DoD study it to see what *not* to do. It remains a difficult and expensive platform to maintain, and has an unfortunate safety record, given the money and time it took to finally get the program from design to production to operation.
I can certainly understand why Obama would want this. The CH-46 helicopter costs over $6000 per hour to operate. The Osprey only costs $8500 to $10,000 per hour. Nothing but the finest and most expensive for Obama.
Way to read the article... "Plans to build a new fleet of helicopters to be used as Marine One have hit multiple budgetary snags over the years. Obama canceled plans for a new fleet back in 2009 after projected costs soared to $11 billion."
Obama saved you money.
Would you alternatively prefer the President of the United States travel in a Ford pick-up or Hyundai Santa Fe? What should the Commander-in-Chief of the United States use for transportation, that would be suitable for you?
Perhaps you should try reading. The President is NOT traveling in the osprey. It's for the staff. Who evidently are to important to ride in, say, automobiles. Damn that sequester, full spend ahead.
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this SOB burns more fossil fuels then a small country or Al gore
Are you s'ing me? at 70 mill EACH, there's 4 more for Boeing to build. My Boeing stock is going up. I hope Obama buys more for the press and security...
He's President of the United States of America, get over it.
he is your president you sorry sack of sh.. watch your mouth
Libs, Obama is a turd, ya'll are quite aware of that factoid.
Too unsafe for the president to fly in but its acceptable for use by our troops. Nice. Real Nice.
Sort of like Obamacare......not good enough for politicians and high ranking government officials, but just fine for the rank & file peasants.
Just to be fair, in regards to the Obamacare remark, all congressman and senators will be required by law, starting 2014 to purchase their health insurance from one of the many exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.
Well put Bill. Oliver, I'm sorry but you are incorrect in your statement.
They should assign a fleet of Ospreys to the GOP/teabaggers in congress...Our problems would be solved after a few crashes,
Wow, wishing the opposition would just die already. This is why liberals disgust me.
Something tells me your problems would still exist.
Your an idiot
No, Mark, It won't solve YOUR problems.......
Glad he canceled the new ones. They needed to rename it the Albatross. It's debatable how useful they are and they cost a fortune to develop and build. They literally spent 30 years developing them and then they were a widow maker because so many crashed. If an engine cuts out while they are transitioning they have a nasty habit of dropping straight down like a rock.
The reason those crashes occurred was because of pilot error. The whole " they went back and redesigned the Osprey," was a gesture statement by Bell not to trample on the graves of the pilots. the military made the mistake by hiring jet pilots to fly and aircraft that is basically a helicopter that demands a lot different training. since the accidents the Marine corps uses strictly helicopter experience pilots, and then they modify their training
The money spent researching and testing this aircraft has already been spent. Cancelling the project now because we spent a lot developing it is the height of idiocy. The craft has performed well the past 7 years. It has been used extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan with fewer statistical issues than helicopters (when equal flight time is considered). It's a great aircraft and the President would be wise to adopt it for personal use. It's certainly much faster than a helicopter once it gets going.
I once spent $10k keeping my '92 Corolla road worthy, considering all the money I had invested in it already. I keep asking Toyota why they stopped producing the '92, having already spent so much on the research and development of the '92, since I would have used the $10k to put a down payment on a new '92.
Toyota produced a perfectly sound '92 Corolla and now their throwing their money away researching and developing these new generation of Corollas for '14 and beyond.
The cassette deck kept eating my tapes. I had to replace it with a used one found in a scrapyard. That one didn't last long either. It's becoming much more difficult to replace my eaten cassette tapes.
The Osprey fleet should never be retired.
You can bank the president will never be on board the Osprey. If an engine fails on takeoff or landing the occupants are dead.
Guys, you're not getting it. Mr. Obama killed enough people with his drones and Seal Team Six that he earned the osprey as a kill streak reward. C'mon guys, really?!
Kero, have you tried to count how many Americans were killed by an unnecessary war started by Bush and Cheney. The ones killed by drones and Seal Team Six were the ones who killed thousands on 9/11. You should understand this, unless you are one of the terrorists....
Kinda seems cotnradictory for the article to reference not being able to build new helicopter fleets for the military due to Sequestration, and yet Obama is out partying it up at Martha's Vineyard with a fleet of Ospreys in tow. Maybe just staying at home in the White House for a week and treating the WH staff to a party would be significantly cheaper?
The Sequestration is kind of a joke. All the important things are getting cut from the military to the post office to government pensions getting the possible axe here in the future, but yet all the corrupt spending, leisure spending, and pet projects of the politicians remain and in fact they seem to be spending more money on this crud than ever before. Kinda backwards if you ask me, but then again I suppose this is nothing out of the ordinary for Washington.
I agree to an extent, certainly about the President needing to cut back. But as for Sequestration, the government needs to trim back, even the military (although certainly the President should cut his vacations first).
I agree with you that the government needs to cut spending, after all we are 16 trillion dollars in the hole, and quite frankly even with the Sequester cuts we are still spending close to a trillion dollars per year.
Where I percieve the Sequestration as a joke is that for one, as I mentioned we are still grossly spending money even with the Sequester in place. The real joke of it though is everything they are cutting is arguably vital to the nation as where the politicians are still spending tons of money for non-vital if not downright corrupt things. Look no further than the IRS Star Trek convention, the GSA lavish spending sprees, diplomats frequenting strip clubs in Venezuela, Obama going on vacation like the second time in a month (much like Bush.), spending money to give AQ weapons in Syria, giving Pakistan where AQ is safely harbored roughly 1 billion dollars a year, etc.
The Sequester is a joke, we're not even coming close to closing the budget defecit, the politicians are still spending record levels of money on mind-bogglingly stupid things from junkets to funding the enemy we're currently at war with, and the only stuff getting cut is vital military equipment, hard-working government employee benefits, pensions, pay, etc.
Since Bush and into Obama the American Federalist Republic is starting to look more and more like a Banana Republic everyday.
Osprey: the boondoggle of all boondoggles, and a deadly one at that.
Now they want to show it off. I hope Obama doesn't get in one! Will they have some useless "missile defense" blood suckers along too?
The reason those crashes occurred was because of pilot error. The whole " they went back and redesigned the Osprey," was a gesture statement by Bell not to trample on the graves of the pilots. the military made the mistake by hiring jet pilots to fly and aircraft that is basically a helicopter that demands a lot different training. since the accidents the Marine corps uses strictly helicopter experience pilots, and then they modify their training.
Unless you have actually flown in one or understand how many missions in the combined Iraq/Afgan conflict that have been successfully done they I say take a seat before you hurt yourself spout dribble
that is spouting....ooops
Despite it just now joining AF1, the Osprey is pretty long on the tooth now and probably needs to be replaced.
JUST LIKE OBAMA!!
You know, the Osprey never looked like a good idea to me. Good luck, Mr. President.
With the Sequester things in place? Yea right...... Milk Obama before your term is up.
Thank you for your incoherent comment...
I totally agree with Felix. obama has drained our money, pride, military, etc.
Dana, someone has drained your brain. Was it Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity?
You Americans have lost your way. You squabble over small matters when the world passes you by.
You officially became pathetic during Vietnam. You doubled down in Iraq, the war that wasn't there.
You fight one another over the smallest things – vacations.
It is too late for you all to get a grip.
You may as well turn off the lights and go home.
This aircraft of dubious lineage and track record
is a metaphor for your Country. Half up, half sideways,
all money and no future.
We have lived through decline and come out the other side.
You chaps had best get used to the concept of being
second rate.
The forensic analysis of the decline of the USA will show two major factors. 1)Undue corporate/multi-national influence (exacerbated by the disastrous Citizens United decision) on elected officials. 2)The intellectual laziness, obtuse mentality, and emotional fragility of the US citizenry.
It was a good run. I just hope we don't take the Earth out with our nukes before we come to terms with our demise. Don't think it's not a real possibility.
We're a bit of a pessimist, aren't we?
SP,
You may be right. Then again, America has this wonderful history of pulling together when it's most needed. The in-fighting is like a family. We may bicker among ourselves. but when push comes to shove and an external threat arises, all bets are off. It goes something like this. I can fight with my brother, but if you decide to take a swing at him, I'll come to his defense in an instant.
Oh, really? And who got the blame for Benghazi?
I'm sorry I couldn't read this comment over all my freedom
There's no doubt in my mind that an inability among the citizenry to intelligently discuss issues has let to endless obsessions and whining over the most insignificant of issues.
And what exactly has Scotland done besides being England's b!tch for the past 2,000 years?? You should know about second-rate, scotty.
What has Scotland every done for the world? Not much. You rank right up there with countries like Luxembourg in terms of importance. Just keep letting England bend you over, chap!
You seem to forget, or never learned, who came to your rescue every time the Germans took aim at you....
Can it travel to all of Obama's 57 states? Or to Russia so Palin can see it?
I wouldn't consider the Osprey safe until they put a president in one.
Hey people, as long as this country is firing teachers, laying off police officers and firemen, then $11billion is too much to pay for a helicopter and I'm all for closing NASA before firing one more teacher.
Until a meteor lands on your roof. Then you'll whine about NASA cuts.
Penny-wise and dollar stupid. A little less war would go a long way to help our budget. We could have our cake, like NASA, and eat it too.
NASA did some great things in the last half a century. It brought us to the moon and back and all through space. While doing that, much of the technology we use today was developed (miniaturization of electronics, etc.). Don't knock NASA – it was one of the decent things we did. Now all we do is fight wars and waste our tax revenue.
Just remember, almost every DIME of that NASA Budget is spent here ON earth in wages to middle class families. Those families, in turn, support schools, fire and police departments, and their city/county infrastructure.
NASA leads the way to invention, research and development.
Without the impetus of NASA WE wouldn't be typing on these machines nor interacting on this internet.
You wrist watch has more computing power than was available on Mercury. Your Desk Top has capabilities Neil Armstrong would drool over. In the 44 years since Armstrong landed on the moon, smaller, better, faster, was the vision and necessity NASA paid for. 'Curiosity' wouldn't be driving around on Mars today without those scientific and computer achievements.
Hurricane Forecasts wouldn't be nearly as precise.
Medical procedures would still require much larger incisions and apparatus.
There are a whole bundle of benefits WE acquire from NASA that we don't think about, day to day, as we use them.
Then you have your priorities misplaced. Science is only .3 percent of your tax dollars. In other words, if you were to take your dollar bill and measure it out, it wouldn't even touch the ink. And that is simply the budget of NASA. So take your head out of the sand.
Did you mean NSA rather than NASA?
NSA probably gets more money than NASA...
That looks pretty bad4ss... May as well use what we already have instead of some project with an out of control budget.
Agreed 100%
To put that $11 billion in perspective, that's around three times NASA's annual budget. You can take that two ways: flying the President around in total security can be compared to flying to the moon, or that NASA, which gets its budget cut constantly, is nowhere near as expensive as some people portray it to be.
NASA's budget is actually about 18 billion dollars.
Shooing from the hip. Turns out the number I had in my head ($4B) was the "Space Operations" budget, from which they pay for the International Space Station. The "Science" budget is another $5B, and the "Exploration" budget another $4B, with miscellaneous stuff adding almost $5B more.
NASA's budget is between 19-21 billion dollars each year.
The guy above had it right: $17.7B. The budget's most recent peak was $18.7 in 2010.
Nasa was created by the NAzis.
True story
And?
I mean, people have pointed out for 60 freaking years that former nazis were in NASA. Why is that suddenly a problem?
I hope they have a huge failure and crash with the whole lot of them going down in flames.,
save us from this obummer loser communist stooge.
You should go along for the ride. I will be fun.
From your tone, I assume you must be a Christian!
Interesting. Just how can you tell his religious affiliation from a political statement? You may want to believe what you said is true, but it's probably not.
Yes, because wishing for the death of the family of the POTUS is both patriotic AND christian.
You suck.
If you bothered to actually read the article, you'd understand that the POTUS doesn't fly on the Ospreys. How then would the accident you are praying for advance your stated goal?
Boeing's terrible rip off of us citizens. Such a disgusting waste of money ... not wasted if you consider billions going to Boeing executives for building a terrible over priced P.O.S. that will never be utilized as promised.
Which over-priced POS is that again?
Actually a great idea. Much better than a helicopter. New technology. Needed to get the bugs out. Flying a bunch of live marines on an experimental aircraft was a very bad idea.
They started on this aircraft in the late 1980's. I knew personnel that worked on it at Patuxent River Naval Air Station. This has been nothing but a huge hole to throw money. It has caused more loss of life than what this article comes close to reporting. There is a reason they are not letting the President fly on it. IT IS DEFINITELY A POS.
Anybody remember what happened to the first B-17?
How about the first P-51?
P-38 Lightning?
Leading edge technology doesn't go from idea to perfect machine without trouble somewhere. Each of the examples above was involved in a CRASH – some with loss of life. Thank Heavens nobody quit on them. .
The P-38 had problems with the flaps when it was in a dive: the pilot couldn't pull out of a dive because of the wind speed over the upper surface of the wing. Great speed. Innovative technology (for the time). The V-22 has had problems, just like EVERY other aircraft that ever flew.
more toys for the so called elite ., or as I like to call them., stooges patsy yes men in suits., 'elected' and the ologarchs.,
the rich powerfull corporate centralized banking cartels and their overlords.
Ahh.. A small, hateful mind filled with economic terminology and anti-government sound-bites. I never met one of thsoe yet who wasn't simply a loser.
You may not remember this but in the article obama cancelled the "new toys" over how much they were going to cost. So your argument doesn't really stand up.
The article is about the V-22. The canceled program was a replacement helicopter.
2 DIFFERENT things.
What does this cost?
The Marines will get 92, while the Air Force (which uses them for Special Operations) will get the remaining seven. The deal is worth approximately $6.5 billion.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/how-to/blog/v-22-osprey-vindicated-by-booming-sales-15578337
If it's good enough for the troops it should be good enough for the man who sends them into harm's way.
Carter Aviation's high tech gyrocopters are better than the Osprey.No tilt rotor,high fuel efficiency,and much simpler mechanically:http://www.cartercopters.com/
The Carter-copter is a toy compared to the Osprey. IN a decade or more, maybe the carter-copter will be good enough and large enough to take over. Right now it's more of a concept vehicle than a real, current solution.
Agreed,but why is that? The Gyro-copter concept has been sidelined by the main-stream chopper people.Did you watch the clip to the end? A Carter designed military transport is possible,able to carry 200 troops,one Abrams or two Strykers,all while landing taking off vertically.
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¿Qué tiene esto que ver con la historia anterior?
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¿Qué tiene esto que ver con la historia anterior?
You must have a death wish then. There's a reason it's earned it's nickname "The Widomaker" still used in the military circles today.
THE BLUE ANGELS GOT CUT FOR THIS PIECE OF CRAP!!!! If I had to ride in that thing I would request hazard pay.
Calling the MV22 a piece of crap is the most ignorant thing I've heard so far.
Where is the correlation between the MV-22 and the Blue Angels not performing?
You do realize the helicopters in Marine One are almost obsessively maintained so that they don't get in crashes, right?
I mean, some of the helicopters in Marine One (the VH-3Ds to be exact) have been serving for 37 years straight, without ever having an accident. They regularly do checks, inspections, and cleanings to make sure these aircraft are at 100%.
The same could easily be done with a V-22, while also offering Marine One an extended range.
You do realize that the ones that crashed where fairly new.
The USAF is flying them too.
You really think this is the first time there has been an aircraft nicknamed "the widowmaker"?
Ever hear of the F-104 Starfighter? That was another widowmaker and it served in various air forces from 1958 until 2004 when the Italians finally retired it.
I went to school with people that never lived that long.
The F-104 was a killer. Both on take-off and landing. You're right, though. It, too, was "Widowmaker".
The Ospray is such an amazing aircraft. I would love to take a flight in one of these amazing machines.
Marine One is an H-3 not a CH-46. The 46 is a twin rotor design that looks a lot like a Chinook.
Their reference to the H-46 was in speaking about the aircraft that have been used to SUPPORT the Marine One aircraft (VH-3s) over the last 20 years, not the actual aircraft the President flies in. Hence why it says right after that comment that there were no plans to use the V-22 as the replacement Marine One.
Although, if we want to be technical, in reality, it doesnt matter what aircraft the president is flying on, if it is a plane it is Air Force One, if its a helicopter it is Marine One, even if it isnt the widely recognized 747 Air Force One and VH-3 Marine One
So if the President was ever in an Osprey, would it be Marine 1 or Air Force 1, since it acts like a helicopter and an airplane?
"This is Marine 1, lifting off," and that after transition, "We are now Air Force 1!) These are serious questions that must be answered! 🙂
Well it is only Air Force 1 if it is an Air Force plane. If the President is in a Navy plan, it is Navy 1. So in a Marine Osprey, no matter which type of flight, it would always be Marine 1.
It is actually an Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King.
You must understand that for any pilot this aircraft is like learning to fly all over again.
That is why they had so many problems in the start with this aircraft.
I am sure they will get it.
Sure it cost more to operate every hour but if flies 4 times as fast as other helicopter/airplane it might just end up being cheaper to operate than other well know helicopters.
Pivoting an entire propulsion system at the end of a wing is incredibly stressing on the wing structure in addition to requiring an enormously heavy and expensive to maintain bearing/transmission system. Part of the reason swing wing designs like the F-14 and F-111 fell out of favor was the expense of maintaining the wing movement mechanism. The V-22 design is worse than those in terms of maintenance.
The tilt rotor concept was a fad in aeronautical engineering circles when almost any concept could get prototype money. The Harrier was another mistake from those times. Maintenance costs just were not considered important when money fell like a waterfall. The USA needed a STOL attack aircraft with reasonable maintenance costs, NOT a VTOL attack aircraft that costs a fortune to maintain compared to STOL aircraft. The V-22 falls into the VTOL combat aircraft we did not need. It cost us the development of the STOL combat aircraft and helicopters we do need.
I agree with your assesment in terms of operating costs but there is nothing like having a forward airbase to put rounds on target in less than 5 mins. The Vtol and STOL have it's place and the U.S. proved it can work. Having an aircraft carrier to ferry aircraft is cost prohibitive. an LHA with several of these aircraft is indespensible. Now do the math and see how much money is wasted.
John Wayne, The big dissapointment for me with the Harrier is that what was supposed to be a VTOL operation from vertical launch with full ordnance to vertical landing at end of mission. We ended up with a STOL requirement for launch with ordnance due to significantly flawed design and engineering analysis. Thus lifetime operational costs increased significantly over original projections. We should have aimed for serious STOL from the start. It would have given us the same overall combat capability at less cost. The LHA would have to be redesigned with a much smaller version of the angled flight deck and catapult system used on larger aircraft carriers, but it would work well with serious STOL. Or we could use a ski jump launch design.
The Sikorsky X2 project might provide a better platform in the future than the V-22. A big coaxial rotor system for lift and low speed travel, separate propulsion for forward travel at medium to high speed, and stub wings to provide lift assistance at medium to high speeds. It is complex, but gives a smoother transition experience from low to medium speed flight or from medium speed flight to low speed flight than the V-22.
Another option would be to use the newer Sikorsky H-53K
Bell did that as well. Took a huey with jet engines as well at the turbine engine. once take off was done like a rotary wing then stat jet engine and free wheel the rotor system like a gyrocopter. Guess it scared the pilot pretty good in transition.
The Sikorsky X2 would be great, except for one problem it is in the prototype stage. The H-53K would be a good one, not as fast or as sleek as the V22. Another great reason why we should never have let Cheney have the power he did. He tried for years to cancel the V22, but got great opposition from republicon congressmen and republicon Senators, when they cared about their country. The V22 is a great machine. My son flew on some in Iraq and he loved them. I am still partial to the AH-1, UH-1, UH-60 and the CH-47, the fastest rotorwing airctaft in production today.
@ Snyphilis
Its actually difficult to cost Pres GW Bushs holidays/trips to Crawford Ranch as the Crawford ranch was designated as the Western Whitehouse security costs , and other permanent staff at Crawford as well as the multi million dollars in renovations were included in the normal White House and Secret Service budgets. There was also an air force unit located near Crawford to enforce a no fly zone over Crawford , this no fly zone was increased and the air force unit was increased when either Bush or his family were there
Pres Obamas trip to Africa was an official Presidntial Visit with some vacation time . yes Air Force 2 was there for Michelle and the girls as they stayed longer than the president . Because it was an official trip there would also have been transport aircriaft for the cars , helicopters , ambulances and equipment , as well as aircraft to carry reporters , SS staff , and other staff needed for an official trip as well as their accommodation .
When Pres GW Bush went Sydney for the APEC Summit in 2007 besides Air Force One , Air Force Two was also there as well as a third plane carry journalist, medical staff , aides , political advisors and 5 chefs . There were also 3 planes carrying Marine One , the motorcade vehicles , ambulances, vip vehicles , SS vehicles and SS personnel to prepare for the Bush's arrival, they arrived 2 or 3 days earlier so extra accommodation cost as well . There were also 1,000 govt staff flown in so that's another 4 or 5 jumbos plus accommodation costs, most of these would have been needed due to the variety of discussions that were planned ,This was for a trip that lasted only 4 days . I think that trip would have cost a lot more than Pres Obama's trip to Africa.
Mmmmm kool-aid. You sound like a robot.
Not a robot , just someone that uses facts.
Can you refute any of the facts I have used
What? 5 or 10 thousand bucks per hour to keep these beasts in the air?
Yet another waste of money by government just so the Prez and his family can take vacations and campaign on the taxpayers' dimes.
Blah blah blah. Keep a trollin troll.
Yes, Presidents take vacations! Get over it. Obama wasn't the first to take them nor will he be the last. Get a real issue to complain about!
"as he and the first lady began a Martha’s Vineyard vacation on Saturday."
Don't worry folks. Our tax dollars stopped paying for this stuff decades ago. Our great x 20 grandchildren will be picking up the tab.
This aircraft is dangerous, to much can go wrong, it's very difficult to fly as well. A huge waste of money to develop and produce this aircraft more then it's worth. The CH-46 was a fine aircraft with a great safety record, slower but always got the job done, I hope things work out with the Osprey but it has a dark cloud hanging over it.
I wouldn't say a waste of money (unlike the JSF) since it is incredibly useful, but it is dangerous and really should only be used when it's absolutely necessary. Carting around the pres is not one of those cases.
You are probably right but with the proper and experienced trained pilot it will most likely work well. If an accident occurs then you are definitely right.
Always remember: ANY aircraft is dangerous. When you are flying, gravity is not your friend. Just think about this little statistic: Most of the commercial passenger aircraft fleet in this country recieve minimal maintainence, have been is service for several decades. ANY craft that the President/VP fly in sees maintainence before and after flight. Things still break, short-out, etc.
I'd almost forgotten about these. Amusing machines, but I hope they have fixed whatever the problems were.
These things can be critical in a rapid response scenario. It was a lucky thing that people in the Marine Corps and Congress realized their potential and fought to get the plane modifications, supply chain and training necessary to make the program a success.
Screw em Im old school. Bring in the FB-111`s hard TF then A10`s and Cobras then the Jolly Greens.Those things don't impress me.
AMEN. Let's not forget the BUFF's.
11 billion dollars hell just give me the money and goose step to marthas vinard...you know you want to.
That's right save the 11 billion so the so called first lady can have another 11 billion vacation to africa so she can say how she isn't proud to be an AMERICAN... YET.
2 cents worth why don't you stop whining like a baby and get a life. I'm sick and tired of reading your uneducated statements.
Wow, now the First Lady's vacation costs are up to $11 billion? Why stop there with the lies? Why not $11 trillion? See, THIS is why no one gives baggers any credence. They just make stuff up – just like Fox News. If you don't have facts, lie. You don't need video tape to "prove" anything – just lie and repeat as often as possible.
In the south we have a phrase for people like you: "Dumber than a two dollar dog."
The Marines will get 92, while the Air Force (which uses them for Special Operations) will get the remaining seven. The deal is worth approximately $6.5 billion.
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Dunce. Did you read the article. the 11 billion for a new fleet of choppers was done by G.W.Bush. President Obama cancelled the ordor saving the 11 billion. you racist tea party nut jobs are the ruination of this country.
Why do people like you always think that just because somebody has an issue with Obama and his family it has something to do with race? Really, the only explanation is you're using a manipulative tactic. Somebody doesn't agree with you, so you attack them with outlandish, hateful names that's not true, making the common population that is incapable of thinking for themselves believe you are right. The voice of a tyrant is always louder than the voice of wisdom.
Dunce. Do you know how these projects work? I hate defending Bush, he was an awful president. But the Obama zombies need to be educated about history. The project your speaking of was esitmated to cost less than half of that $11b in 2005 and soared overbudget afterwards. Bush nor congress ever approved an $11b program. It was destined for cancellation.
Don't forget Obama's trip to Africa cost us more than all of Bush's vacations combined. 1 trip. Now he's on Martha's Vineyard. Make sure he doesn't allow any of the Kennedy's to drive him to Chappaquidick... okay?
@Snyphilis,why don't you count all the days off Bushs had total and don't say they're working vacations either because they're still manned by security and the press either way...450 days off in his first two years of his first term and daddy Bush over 1000 in only one term he served..And remember inflation and factor in these peoples salaries as well,nothing cheap even a working trip to Africa and you know it!!Pres.Obama 128 days off so far less than any president besides Bill Clinton,check those facts!!And its smart using these Ospreys because you cut out the major airports and all the hoopla involved with his security parade to and from the airports thus saving taxpayers money ,right or do you want him to walk there,the latter you'll agree with won't yah,hypocrite!!
Snyphillis that is quite a lie you made up there. Bush actually paid the most for vacations. Now I know most of you fools like to bash Obama endlessly but there are a lot of things the Tea Party have been making up to bash Obama. For instance, that so-called 11 billion dollars wasn't just vacation money. I suggest you look at a budget plan for that 11 billion. Quite disturbing that most of you extreme Republicans avoid looking at the budget and continue to howl like the Obama family is the only family having that 11 billion dollars for themselves.
I believe in this case you are the racist for mentioning it.
Well Tim, that is because it is usually the case in 99% of those posts.
Snyphilis – Seems you have forgotten that the Bush's – George,and Laura took two trips to Africa one in 2003 and one in 2008....and both Bush daughters went on the first trip (2003) which was billed as a safari and took in several African countries. Plus they went to the Olympics in China.
So exactly how many times was the internet used secretly (or not) for this: James Lee DiMaggio, 40, was killed by FBI tactical agents...let me guess... its all a big big secret (right or wrong) the internet must have been used and that was a domestic standing military agency not the state malitia that was used. So is the internet real or imaginary in this case/senerio.
Off your meds again?
Internet is a proper noun.
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All the expendable support staff get to fly the MV-22's.
HAHA that's what I was thinking.
Like Joe Biden?
hope they have provided function to shoot hellfire missiles too, like drones,