U.S. to delay F-16 delivery to Egypt
By Barbara Starr
President Barack Obama has decided to delay the delivery of four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt in a sign of U.S. pressure for the military there to move quickly restore civilian rule following its ouster of President Mohamed Morsy.
Pentagon spokesman George Little said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel called Egypt’s military chief, Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi, on Wednesday to inform him of the decision.
Hagel and al-Sisi also discussed the general’s call on Wednesday for mass demonstrations in Egypt for support of the military.
The Obama administration has so far not called Morsy’s removal earlier this month a military coup, which could cut more than $1 billion in U.S. aid to Egypt if that characterization is made.
Obama has expressed deep concern about the removal of Egypt’s first democratically elected president, calling for a quick return to civilian leadership. He also ordered a review of U.S. law regarding aid to the vital Middle East ally.
The four jets were due to be sent to Egypt by the end of August as part of a $1.3 billion arms package that included additional F-16s and some Abrams tank parts.
It has not been decided when or if the F-16 deliveries will resume, Little said. Also not clear is what conditions the United States would impose on their delivery or whether the balance of the overall arms sale would be met.
Little also said the administration will still proceed with its major military exercise known as “Bright Star” scheduled with the Egyptians for later this year.
The delay will not significantly impact Egypt’s military capabilities. But it is a sign of U.S. pressure to get Egypt to move quickly toward civilian rule.
Little said the decision was made “given the overall situation” in Egypt, but added the administration still hasn’t made a decision on the question whether events in Egypt should be called a coup.
Little said the United States was not suspending its overall arms sales to Egypt currently.
Earlier this month, administration officials said they expected the four aircraft to be delivered even as the White House was continuing to review assistance programs with Egypt.
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wake up! we will never give or sell another country our best technology. We only sell the older stuff. Why? We keep the upper edge and if they ever turn on us, we can take them out. We also control the parts for these items we sell to the other countries.
just think what a billion dollars would do for our country. Instead we give to Egypt so they will be our freind and we can use their air space if ever needed. A billion plus dollars a year and Egypt is no better. That should tell you that the people are not benifiting. Just the politicians as in our own country.
NO support of any kind to these terrorists!!! We have NO IDEA who will ever support us. STOP the bleeding of our tax $. Obama has wasted over $7 Trillion too much.
I’ve yet to see a terrorist attack us with an F16.
The F-16 is already last century ... The MIG-35 rules!!!
You mean the f-15-ski? A better comparison would be F-22 vs Mig35.
Smells like Jew.
Are'nt they obsolete. Why wasting $ on them.
No. What airframe do you think has replaced the F-16? Furthermore, a new variant of it was introduced last year. We aren't going to be selling them F-22s or F-35s for a while, so ....
In all fairness the F-16 doesn’t have to have a direct successor to be obsolete.
the us is the looser and lokheedmartin also we don,t care about your planes cause it prevent us from getting Russian air defense rocket SS300 go with your dam planes
Who is the us?
OBAMMA Egyptians do want your F-16 keep it to your ignorant government and ambassador in Egypt that supported brotherhood terrorism with American tax payers money . Please understand that what happened in Egypt was a revolution and not a coup and you lost middle east people because of your ambassador corruption in Egypt and your movement lack of understanding of politics . We will get fighters from Russia and France and with your leadership America will import fighters from China sooooon because you paid American tax payers for terrorism . When American people will impeach you will learn from your mistakes . Keep your f-16 no body wants it
Except your government that asked for them….lol. You sound like a spoiled child.
Egypt GDP = $264.701 billion, US Aid = 1$ billion. Besides 1973 War which was a successful offense was fought and won with Russian Arms. In short, US money is not a big deal to Egypt and a gun is just a gun regardless of where it was made.
although egypt did get what it wanted, in the battlefield israel was victorious.
Yes they were successful in attacking a demilitarized zone and racing across an empty desert, but once they started fighting the Israelis their attack stalled. Then when they tried again they got push all the way back to within 70 miles of Cairo. Yes that sounds like a great success there. Israel got the peace treaty they wanted with the exception of Egypt not wanting to have they Gaza Strip back which is the only reason Israel is still dealing with it.
Hello America, what is your history? 150 years? The Egyptians does not need your stuff, leave us in peace and don't interfere in our internal issue this word specially for Hussain Obama, and Ann Paterson.
Egyptians know that this was not the plan & that you paid a lot for this, but now the people of Egypt and I am 1 of them saying we don't want Muslim Brotherhood, and there is no coup in Egypt.
ON 26 July.2013 come and see what will happen in Egypt ( revolution street walk to proof our acceptance and support to our army & Mr. Adly Mansour)
its 237 years since independence, buts that irrelevant. what happened in egypt is better discribed as "pronunciamiento". Morsy didnt resign voluntarily , he was ousted by force, thats technically a coup, and many modern democracies where started with coups (many in latin america).
Independence sorry from anyone???? from the Indians???
@Hany
Your math is wrong (not surprising) but you raise a good point. IN comparison the U.S. is very young and yet… we dwarf your country in both GDP and military. So what is your excuse for being so far behind?
@ IgorRUS
That would be the British. The Indians as you call them (which many consider to be a slur) were easily conquered. They were primitives that bough our second hand weapons…you know..just like the Egyptians are do now.
we the egyptians have made deal with the devil (usa) this aid is bad for us the egyptians don't want it why don't you americans get it and leave us alone
Because the Americans are being fooled by the islamist Hillary Clinton and her pals in the Muslim Brotherhood.
Много таких комментариев уже читал... там где побывала "Независимость" и "права человека" и якобы "Ядерная угроза" везде остается развал, и страны (ИРАК, ЛИВИЯ, Афганистан и многие другие) ситуация стала в разы хуже... – 30 лет назад откат стране, вся инфраструктура уничтожена, и страна в кредитах и в долгах как в шелках... Зачем такая кому нужна Свобода? от кого??? когда страдают мирное население и ДЕТИ!!!!
Many of these comments are read ... where was "Independence" and "human rights" and alleged "nuclear threat" remains everywhere the collapse, and the country (Iraq, LIBYA, Afghanistan and many others), the situation became much worse ... – 30 years ago rolling back country, the entire infrastructure is destroyed, and the country is in the credits and in debt as the silks. Why such who needs Freedom? from anyone??? When suffering civilians and CHILDREN!!!!
America enthusiastically CEMENTING itself as the GLOBAL JOKE of the XXI century!
America lectures the world about not supporting extremists, dictators or totalitarian regimes but is not only financing a regime who just tuck power from a DEMOCRATICALLY elected president but, to complement, America is PROFITING from the situation by SELLING WEAPONS to Egyptian regime!
America has lost what was left of MORAL!
America is just another supporter of terrorists!
not the first comment I see, Yes, and already the world itself begins to understand what and who is a terrorist.
F-16s only value over there is to attack or defend against Israel. It was ok to give them to military under Muslim Brotherhood Morisi but not ok to give their military under interim maybe become democratic govt.
4 F16s is costly? NO. MB taking over the country and turning it into another Iran is costly. Keep your F16th.
Israel is master on Americans and Egypt is pet of US, Egypt is blackmail by four jets. what a great revolutionized country of Muslim world. they should hang themselves on electric pole inpublic.
egypt was never a pet for anyone egypt is a country exist more than 7 thousand years ago we fighted thousands of wars in our history and never anyone success in invading egypt we will not be pets for you at the end you are a joke
Egypt will never be a pet to any one .OBAMMA wanted brotherhood to make Egypt as a pet but Egypt revolution of 30 June 2013 showed America and other ignorant forgone policy governments that Egypt will always be friend of democratic people and peace lovers and loves the American free democratic people and will appose Obamas corruption in the middle east and OBAMMA s support to brotherhood terrorism withAmerican tax payers . learn more about Egypt before you write Janjau And have respect to others
The $1 billion USA gives Egypt is an agreement made to give the US control of the Suez Canal, which allows them to transport and trade with the surrounding states and helps to protect israel. It is not to help normal egyptians – it goes straight into the hands onf the military.
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Let me get this straight. We give them $1billion in aid then they turn around and buy that much in arms back from US arms corporations? So this foreign aid is really just more corporate welfare in disguise? Don't worry people, this won't last long, there's too much corporate profits tied up in our biggest US exports, war and death.
General Abdel – Fatah Sisi said it clearly -- He is the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood in the army and the people's support to start a civil war in Egypt.
The US should NOT Support this man with F – 16, they already receive $ 1.3 bn in US equipment. ( PS would like to know what kind of equipment that is )
Can someone tell me why Obama support Terrorist in Syria and Egypt, who are the opisitions in Egypt and Syria, they are Radical Muslim same as Bin Laden and his group, they hate America and Americans
Well apart from the fact that your statement is completely false, I would just say – You'll understand when you're a bit older. Go to bed, kid.
If you don't know the answer to his question, just say so. WHY is the White House actively supporting the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood that has shot dead a priest, chained up a Christian businessman and then cut off his head, molested and raped female protesters, and even thrown children off buildings?!
You probably will know the answer when you go to one of these area that controlled by these radicals and they will cut you head off like they did with a lot of Americans and Christians, just because they are ether western or not Muslim, but it will be too late to understand.
Well tell me then, or only and you can argue without facts???? the facts in the Studio!
the egyptians don't want americans f-16 we like the russians more anyway and egypt have already more than 240 f-16 plane. we fighted israel and win with russian weapons not americans weapons russia was ally to egyt for so long and we want usa to cut off the aid so we can be free once again
I think the difference between Russian and U.S. Military equipment has been demonstrated a few times over the last 30 years. If you really want to go full Russian gear, then all I can say is good luck with Israel. If you pick a fight with them, they'll mop the floor with you.
Israel would do that with or without Russian weaponry!
Where were you educated. Rich ? it seems that you were doing lots of floor cleaning .... these words about nations should not be used in clean forums !!! Please watch your language about great nations like Egypt
Well, you must be front line infantry because that was the dumbest statement a real egyptian soldier could ever make. The US is miles ahead of Russia when it comes to weapins technologies. Have you seen the Russian systems used in North Korea and Cuba? That's what you'd get.
USA aid is a part of Camp David peace agreement between Egypt and Israel. Israel is getting more than 2 billions aid and Egypt is getting less, mostly arms. In Egypt, we want USA to stop this aid without harming the long peace process between Egypt and Israel. As of Egypt revolution, it is internal affair and No body is allowed to interfere.....
I live in Russia, I served, and I have the picture of this situation. that such assistance is an American .... This is the loop around your neck. Yes this is a piece of paper, and the dollar is not secured. Neither gold nor euros. Print just can all and any number of, and return to the real commodity. Hold on dear, I hope soon everything end!
Don't forget, a significant percentage of the annual "aid" to Egypt has to spent buying from U.S. defense contractors.....cut ithat = cut American jobs.
The Russians helped Syria and America must do the same otherwise the advantage is Iran
One day republicans will be calling for more wars, the next they will be hollering for more tax breaks to the rich, then the next day they will be standing around scratching their heads and their behinds wondering why we have so much debt. Then they'll be wondering why all those tax breaks to the rich didn't create any good jobs. Even though they were told that supply side economics just leads to bubbles, jobless recoveries, and more debt. Considering that we have been continuously at war for our entire lifetimes, we are lucky to still be around, we can probably thank all the hard working Americans for that. No matter what, they still get up and go to work everyday.
Uhh Dave. Isn't Obama a democrat? Do you understand that it doesn't matter what party it is? These people only care about starting wars to feed the military industial complex. It's not a theory, it's fact at this point.
Well about 53% of us do anyway – the rest enjoy the fruits of our labors. Look at the national employment rate vs the unemployment rate.
Dave, thanks for having the guts to post that. We need higher taxes on the rich, universal healthcare, and an expansion of our welfare system. And please for god sakes, make guns finally illegal so we don't have another innocent boy like trayvon martin murdered.....
Well we see what heppens when you give tax breaks to the rich, they become even tighter with their money and usually store it in Switzerland or another tax free banking haven (very patriotic of them).
I understand that each plane was carrying 10,000 lbs of unmarked $100s. Those were unloaded by a private contractor and have now vanished according to a Pentagon spokeman (who has also vanished).
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson.
America... Why help other countries when we cannot help ourselves? As a "Christian" Nation, aren't we taught to take the plank out of our own eyes before taking the speck of the other person's eye?
That is alot of money seems the government is now hiding aid to other countries the pentagon cannot account for over 10 trillion dollars of missing tax payers money, i don't know about you but i would be very concerned to where all this money is is going to and during all the hearings on where all the money has gone nothing but evasion to the questions.
Good, hopefully when we get out of Afghanistan we can cut off Pakistan again as well.
The military is the only people Egyptians can trust to protect them.
Punish the Egyptian people for ousting your Muslim Brotherhood pals?
Send aid to Al Qaeda in Syria?
It is just too sick at this point.
$1.3 billion dollars to send 4 planes for aid to Egypt?? We can't even support our own country. As a military member of the United States, I'd rather have that money put towards the proposed cuts in our pay and increase in our health costs for the new fiscal year. Use your money wisely, and take care of the US before you take care of other countries.
I understand your comment but we really don't have the money. Its all made up on someones keyboard someplace, they don't even bother to print more, just adjust the number in the computer.
It cost us 1.3 billion . Egypt nothing
I am as Egyptian against Army in its calling for demonstrations to give the military a mandate to confront terrorism because :
1- Military and police don't need a mandate to face terrorism.
2-Ousted president Morsi didn't call for demonstrations to support himself.
3- Why this call come from military not president or PM.
4- I think this is the spark to civil war or exceptional arresting and killing pro-Morsi people.
5-Military and police faced terrorism from months , why now this call.
My opinion that El-sisy face pressure internal and external ,so he wants to finish this pressure by this demonstrations and i expect the numbers will be huge in both directions .
Finally, i wish to pass this bottleneck without a civil war .
No disrespect translation is a bit rough add websites to your posts
I think it is a kind of a game to pursue Americans people that US against Egypt military coup but finally it will release this jets to Egypt army
Smart move by Obama.
To Kevin: The delivery of four jets would not make any difference. Moreover these are not the days of John Foster Dulles, to threaten, intimidate and put pressure on developing countries. Sources of armament are wide open and Egypt has many choices. It is time for Obama to get smarter and realize the gravity of situation and accept the changes that have taken place in Egypt.
None of our business and keep it that way. Which means you do not need our weapons.
to KEVIN: what smart move are you talking about it? supporting the terrorist who assassinated Sadat ? Smart move, to support people who call the jewish people descendants of apes and pigs? Supporting the people who killed the US ambassador in Lybia? Supporting the people who were calling to march to the US embassy in Cairo? Supporting the people who always called to destroy Israel and the entire Jewish population? Support the people who support Hamas, who is consider a terrorist group by the US?? Should i continue?? too much for being smart...I think Obama is a mole in the US Government ... You pay taxes and he gives it to terrorist...VERY F***ING SMART!
Smart move? Really? Obama still doesn't think it was a coup. After all, he put Morsi into the presidency of Egypt.
What happened in Egypt in 30-6 its totally a coup on our president Mohammed Morsi
So U.S Stop playing in Egypt we are in 2013 not in 1954 we not make anther Gamal AbdEl Nasser
we not going to make new gamal abd el nasser
Now that's thinking rationally! The last thing we need to do is arm instability.
Yet we are going to fund the Syrian rebels who have ties to Islamic groups. Smart.
Mike, nearly everyone in every Muslim country in the Middle East has ties "to Islamic groups." It's just a question of which flavor. They're not all bad.
You hit the bulls eye...!!
If we went to Iraq for the oil we sure as hell did not get any,Iraq was pumping oil and selling it and we were still supporting them,gas prices are to high in USA while we sit on and protect oil fields all over the place,all that oil needs to be brought to this country.
Surely you know that the war in Iraq was fought to disrupt oil deliveries and MAKE oil prices higher to enrich the oil companies......thay don't care a frig about you(collectively)! The investors like high prices. That's why they use any excuse they can find to raise prices(hurricanes, instability in the middle east, regulations, etc.)
Why do you think prices are higher now? We don't get one drop of oil from Egypt!
.....the investors are 'scared' and we pay the price!
We did not go to Iraq for oil We went because Sadam was selling oil for Euros instead of dollars; it was much more profitable for Iraq. Tjhat's what this whole thing is about. Forcing the oils producing nations to continue trading oil for dollars. If the dollar is no longer the world trading currency it will collapse.
Why do you think the US backs the Saudis, they are horrible violators human rights, but they trade oil with us and use the dolla,r and in return we protect their monarchy. it's a simple business deal.
It is clear why America so trâsët′sâ ... If China Russia Caucasus, Belarus Ukraine and many other countries of the CIS will make the overall economy and the possible assignment of the currency. Too us America war to force???? is correct that the START II TREATY signed by Putin not 3!!!!! Twink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A bubble .... the more dueš′, the faster burst!!!
The irony is that we have instigated military take overs in other countries. Chile is just one example.
We shouldn't give money to any country when we need the money here. This from a legal minority inmigrant
Let see we give them a BILLION in FREE MONEY "aid". So they give us back our taxpayer money to get some F-16's. Ya, let keep arming potential enemies, brilliant.
Are you 95? Aid doesn't mean Aid. It means we are buying them for security reasons. Don't you get it? Like welfare, you pay quietly to keep the peace. makes sense.
It seems like a great opportunity for China or Russia to step in.
No other country is going to give Egypt the level of aid that we do. Trading that for incompatible sytems isn't in the military's interests. So, no.
stop supporting terrorist in Egypt .... Egypt will never be another afghan mr Obama support the people in Egypt by the way there is another revolution happen in 30-6 not a coup its a revolution sir
It's a military coup so just call the baby ugly and cut off the aid.
The United Arab Emirates has transferred $3 billion in promised aid to Egypt and another $2 billion from Saudi Arabia will arrive soon to them. Gulf Arab oil producers have promised aid packages worth $12 billion to Egypt since the overthrow of President Mohamed Mursi, throwing a lifeline to the most populous Arab nation. Keeping aid from them is no pressure. Just cut it.
And we aren't "giving" them f-16's. We sell them an outdated version. Now they will just go buy from the Russians and Chinese. Morsi needed to go, the Muslim Brotherhood needed to go, Theocracies don't work no matter what the religion is. Look at Rome when the Christians imposed biblical law, look at Iran and Saudi Arabia. It ends with people being abused and oppressed. I was a big supporter of Obama up until a couple of years ago when he became just another slimy politician pandering to the demographics that support him. As his term moves forward he seems to become more and more unbending and wants to focus everyone on Trayvon Martin rather than the real issues facing this country.
Betcha that Al-Qaeda would like to get their hands on some F-16s. Don't tell me someone in the Senate Armed Services Committee or someone in Congress is actually putting principle before profits? This IS news!
I think the Obama administration, may send those F16 to the rebels in Syria instead. One disastrous decision after another, USA is sending the Middle East to HELL. May God have mercy on us all. Enough what you have done in Iraq, we know USA went there for the oil, as per Alan Greenspan..
Thats how we keep an eye on what they have and doing. Russia would gladly step in
If you really believe that then you simply haven't thought the matter through. You don't simply hand over fighter jets to a bunch of dudes with pickup trucks and rifles. Even if there are ex military personnel among the rebels, even if some of them are fighter pilots, a jet requires an entire support infrastructure of personnel, facilities and equipment to operate. It's not like giving them rifles, Ok? You might as well give them an aircraft carrier for all the good it would do them.
It was "dangerous Dick" who was after Iraqi oil! Gullible GWB believed everything Dick whispered in his ear. GWB had not a clue about anything! He just told lies to make Dick's greed for oil come true! Surprise!!! Dick got NO oil, the Chinese got it! Thanks GWB for wasting so many American lives and our entire economy on your personal grudge and Dick's greed! Want to repeat your "Mission Accomplished" statement? You won't even appear in public today!
Saddam was Iran's biggest enemy in the area, if he were still in power your "beloved nation of Israel" would have nothing to fear! Iraq would be a functioning country today, instead of a bombed out shell with Iraqis fighting Iraqis! Today, the "democratically elected" government of Iraq is Iran's new best friend! Job well done! No wonder you won't show your face in public! What an idiot!!! By the way, why didn't you ever try to find Bin Laden? Bring in a neophyte President and he gets the job done!
I'm always fascinated when my fellow Americans post rants about the brainwashed people of the DPRK. it makes me recall posts by people such as MaryAnn. Who took to task Egyptian, and his, as perceived by her, churlish remarks.
As mentioned by other posts, the 'aid" we give comes with, not strings, but ropes.
We bought off the Egyptians for over 5 decades with "aid" in exchange for "peace" with Israel. It was overseen by Mubarak and his military.(That military had/have their own separate profit making ventures.) Which agreed to spend it in the US; guaranteeing profits for US corporations.
maryAnn will/would still be out of her house. For any American receiving sizeable amounts of money from a foreign government, has to register as an agent for that country, and subject to oversight.
The rumblings and turmoil of the "Arab Spring" is nowhere near settling into any kind of leadership with a broad based coalition. Many shoes have yet to drop (Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Jordan, etc.). And the resolution of domestic contradictions is a priority which pushes the "security" of Israel into irrelevance. And, on the back burner, if entertained at all.
As a historian, may i suggest, the military is never: either a long term or 'good" solution. And, should be the least desireable choice.
Thanks for the most intelligent comment yet.
Did they already paid for F16 they did send them the planes why? everytime USA outthink other countries we get shafted. Global warming is for every one in this planet including Egyptian.
Know how to at least type understandable sentences before you post as an American. They have schools that teach it here.
SharkBait said.....
"Know how to at least type understandable sentences before you post as an American."........oops, that is not a proper sentence, either.
Tell them they can have the F-16's as soon as the F-35's are ready. That should only be about another 10 years.
the administration is searching for a term that describes the military takeover of a country,removing its democratically elected gov't. without using the word coup. they are a creative bunch,they will come up with something.
And how is a Country with so much unemployment and poverty able to afford F-16s? What a sad sick world we live in when governments will put their Country in debt, starve their citizens and buy billion dollar military weapons!
Sometimes that military equipment is the only thing keeps those countries from being called a different country after they are taken over by their neighbor who would love Saudi Arabia's oil.
OBAMA AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A NlGGER
so true
your towel is too tight on your hollow head chicken raggy biatch!
now, now... sympathies on your inadequate genitalia
Yawn.
Dude...not cool. Try to reserve the ignorant redneck bigotry on the clan forum
You sir are an idiot of unparalleled idiocy. Take your trashy self and crawl back in the hole from whence you came.
This is yet another costly mistake in the never ending saga of the President that brought America down from within!
you are another lying flat earther!
I agree...the legacy of George W. Bush gets worse every day. When will it all end...?
Obama dealing more weapons to Al Qaeda, while spying on all of us. YAY this time give them jet fighters. Meanwhile 500 terrorists break free from a prison in Iraq. But yet they wanna jail Snowden? Obama needs impeached and the whole administration tossed in prison. he is just as bad as Bush was.
Bush could not hold a candle for Obama!
Agree! Bush was a liar, plain and simple. He sent Colin Powell to the UN to preach his lies! Soon afterward, Powell resigned after realizing he was "used"! Good for Powell! I respect him, I have no respect at all for GWB and his "handler" Dick Cheney!
GWB failed to get Bin Laden, he was not very interested in this pursuit. The Pakistanis used his weakness to harbor and protect Bin Laden while accepting our money to allow convoys access to Pakistani routes into Afghanistan. Never mind that the Pakistanis repeatedly attacked and destroyed these convoys! What a "leader", a man with no plan! What an idiot! Mr. "Mission Accomplished" actually accomplished NOTHING!
Bring in a simple "community organizer", and Bin Laden is toasted! Something very wrong here! But we will never know!
Just a guess,....Republican?
So, how is it that Obama is going to jail the escapees? Do you propose invading Iraq yet again?
Could you BE any more ignorant???
They should Order MIGs
They WILL order MiGs. Or the new Chinese version of the F-35
We the PEOPLE of EGYPT, will require our government to not accept any military equipment from the USA anymore
Obama supports terrorism, and the US will be the first country that suffer from the policies of this terrorist sympathizer.
Do not talk about freedom fries and all these BS about fighting terrorism your government caught red handed supporting terrorists and nothing can be said or done to erase that. keep your stupid plans the Russian plans are much better any way.
Pre-post.
Okay, now that my test post has appeared, I will say that I agree with the first poster in this thread. The United States supported Al-Qaeda and we do support various terrorist groups today in the Muslim and Arab world. It's time to stop saying that we have a high horse to stand on, we do not.
trust me,most americans don't like the idea of sending you anything,especially weapons and billions of dolllars to prop up a fantasy that could not be without welfare payments from us.
Believe me, the people of the United States do not WANT to do the things you've stated. We do it because its the RIGHT thing to do, even if it seems at odds with our goals.
– The aid to Egypt was a condition of the peace treaty with Israel. Its literally Protection Money being paid to prevent war.
– Your first attempt at Democracy resulted in Islamists who immeadately tried to squash all dissent even more brutally than Mubarak. They think that ONE election victory means they will be in power forever. You have a lot to learn about Democracy and compromise.
– We were forced to support Moresy because you elected him. Good thing he showed his true colors within a year so your people wanted him out and your military took action. Sometimes its better to let the enemy show their hand so the rest of the world can see just what horror an Islamic nation creates.
– Neither Egypt nor the US wants to see a return to military dictatorship. Please use this time of peace that the mililtary gave you to organize properly for the next election. If you don't, the MB just might grab power again.
The US has no business arming religious maniacs with state of the art weapons.
They aren't "state of the art".
The US is full of 'religious maniacs' too!(just a different religion)
Seems all we know how to do these days is pressure sovereign governments on how to run said government. Is CNN ready to stop insulting the Egyptian people by calling this a coup? Disgusting journalist.
coup d'`etat. Look it up on Wikipedia you idiot, now that I've spelled it for you, you don't have to figure out why you can't find it on Google! Copy and past and READ THE DEFINITION!!!!
Most of the comments here are stupid.
......and you added one more.
No, not clueless, just that president obama is following the religion of his step-father from Indonesia...he was a devout muslim
you are a devout mo ron.
Oh yea, but when the muslim brotherhood was in charge this president was first in line giving out money and military supplies...anybody want to guess what religion obama is now!!!
Interesting that Obama has no fear at arming the Syrian rebels with large elements of al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Saudi's and more but when the people of Egypt speak and he has an opportunity to support a moderate government he passes. What a fool.
The people spoke out when they voted Morsi into power in an election. The only difference between the hate on for Morsi by the Egyptian people and the hate on of Obama by rightwing nutjobs, is that in Egypt the military intervened. A coup is a coup, and this is a military one. Until the military hand back control, the people have NO choice over their destiny, the military does – and that should be a problem for most of Egypt's allies.
Alf said....'Oh yea, but when the muslim brotherhood was in charge this president was first in line giving out money and military supplies...'
In fact, we have been giving aid to Egypt for 50 odd years.....your point?
Or we could never deliver the Egyptians some F16s... but that would be the will of the American People
Foreign policy is not done "by the will of the people" just like flying an airplane is not done "by the will of the people" but by trained pilots. It should take you no more than a momentary glimpse at this CNN comments section to see that "the people" are less than fully informed when it comes to foreign policy. For example,. it is well known that by supplying 2nd-tier weapons to marginal countries, we can often exert far more influence on their politics than if we, for example, let the Russians or Chinese be their suppliers. This has worked in many places of the world–not 100% of course, but it makes a lot of sense It also allows us to cut off supply lines for vital things like spare parts if we choose. Look how Iran even today can't field a first line air force because it is based around ancient US aircraft given to the shah!
it makes a lot of sense. but if you listened to this cnn board and the "will of the people" you'd get "what is secret mooslim obama giving MAH MONEH to terrists" type more-ons flying the plane.
So we're willing to arm them when a Islamist who tries to dismantle the checks and balances, but not the people who deposed him?
This administration is clueless. It really is.
Obama backed a democratically elected government–as he should do to encourage democracy to flourish in the Middle East. This is the best and most potent answer to Al Qaeda. And he should call the coup a coup to to stop aiding an illegitimate government backed by the military and sadistic torturers of Egyptian internal intelligence services.
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Obama backed Morsi and the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. Meanwhile Obama shoves abortion coverage down the throats of American Catholics. Obama is the worst president since Jimmy Carter.
I may agree with the first but the latter, its called right to choice. Everyone should be able to choose what they believe, if you don't believe in it, don't choose to do it, simple as that.
Everyone has the right to choose except those who may own a company and who for religious objections do do not want to pay for abortions or abortion inducing drugs for their employees. Where is there right to choose?
I guess you didn't live in the U.S. when Bush Jr was president. If you had half a brain you would know the reason why we are in this mess.
Joe, please tell us why we are in this mess. And please post your references and/or sources. TY
Catholics... right, they are the organization who believed that paedophilia was okay, and then make sure that their paedophiles had fresh meat by moving them around parishes, and of course they started out by blaming the victims.Catholics are also the same group have contributed to the AIDS epidemic in Africa by not being progressive enough to see that we don't live in the same society as existed 2000 years ago.
If Obama didn't walk and try to swagger like some THUG NBA player, he would only be an average president at best. But he is just so so cool ( or so he thinks ) Next: Obama Raps at 1000PM
...biased enough? the Right should love that*
Pretty obvious why he isn't sending the jets to the Military,
Obama is mad that the Muslim Brotherhood got de-throned
No, it is because Morsi was democratically elected by the people and now they are run by the military and Americans hate the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood got into power. The administration may not be saying it directly, but this is a military coup and until such time that power is given back to the people it makes no sense to honor weapons shipments to that nation NO MATTER who is running the show.
i wonder how many homeless hungry children could be feed in the united states, with a billion dollars?????
With a billion $ they could teach the hungry people in the U.S how
to grow a garden.
It's the only choice
Let me get this straight...
We send them $1 Billion dollars and they buy four planes from us with $1.3 billion dollars after we gave them $1 Billion. Why didn't we just sell the F-16's for $300 million.
George,
We are giving them money to buy from OUR defense contractors. Can't be a policy if there isn't a huge profit for a defense or big pharma.
Read Medicare Part B, the US Gov't is REQUIRED by LAW to pay retail, Per the free market conservatives and GWB it is ILLEGAL to negotiate pricing (sounds like partisan BS but go look up the bill). The estimated cost for Medicare B is ~ 800 billion. Note: That is the "choice" that Paul Ryan was referring to in the VP debate last election cycle. The Tea Party favorite was defending the Gov't having to pay retail and supporting the limitation on the Go'v't from negotiating prices. Biden (correctly) pointed out that single line cost taxpayers ~200 billion with no benefit.
It's governmental math... no reason to even ponder it. It's beyond reason.
The US government does not make or sell F-16s but has the power to stop their export. The aid we give countries is not related to their defense purchases.
Because Lockheed Martin will not accept only $300 million for the weapons they want to acquire.
With oil speculators driving oil above $100/bbl based on what-if's associated with Egypt and Syria now, just imagine for a minute if the US administration cut off all aid to Egypt because of a coup. $200/bbl would be right around the corner.
Its sad that we (Obama/Kerry) sent Egypt 230 million earlier this yr and then our leadership puts 650,000 Dept of Defense employees on furlough!!!!
Wow ...what an ignorant conclusion. The aid to Egypt has been going for many years. I dont agree with it but its not an obama invention. And furlough? That came because congress didn't pass budget.
its funny how we always talk about the 1.3 billion we give egypt as aid and never mention the 10 billion to israel
What is the point of asking for comments if their not posted?
Oh this one they post! LOL......
WOW post something of meaning and they refuse to post it.
America' history in modern times seems to be one of arm despots, dictators, regimes ect.,ect. with most of the latest/greatist and then get bit in the butt because of it.. which finds them igoing from one conflict to another.. locked into perpetual war..
Why Egypt need F-16 and Abram tanks? who is threat them?, the Israelis?
Why does the US need a military, Canada?
Please keep stupid comments to yourself.
Iran.
Their biggest threat seem to be democratically elected people and those who voted for them.
Have any nations actually had a major need for fighter jets lately?
ANY AND ALL aid should stop....would we let the u.s. military tell us that they have decided that the leader we the people have chosen is to be taken out of power without our vote or an impeachment process? Unless you can answer yes to that we should not be condoning this with continued aid.
Just because a leader was elected does not mean that the people cannot throw the bum out. It was nonsense that we were giving aid to a government led by the Muslim Brotherhood. It is equally nonsensical that we should withhold aid when the people rise up and overthrow a corrupt leadership. The army stepped in and has held the opposing sides apart while setting the stage for new elections. If the Muslim Brotherhood wins again then that is the time to withdraw aid. There is no good example of a good Islamic government and there never will be. Religion and government do not mix well. Christ said it best: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's."
Remember that sentiment when you talk about our government.
Who is Egypt going to use against?? Their only real enemy is Israel.
Egypt and Israel have not been enemies for many years now. But if the Muslim Brotherhood has its way, they will be enemies again.
It was a coup, save the US some da ng money and spend it at home!
The US needs the Egyptian military in place to honor the peace treaty with Israel.
how r u so clueless??? every single country we give 'aid' money to, it is expected they use that money to cherry pick from our military machine...
they should just give the money to the military contractors but then all the blind people would see exactly what just happened.... SHHHhhh its really to for them to feed the starving
Nice Job Obama. When the Al Qaeda-favored, Muslim Brotherhood was in power, you were sending them the F-16s. Now that the moderates took over, we are halting the aid. Yeah, makes perfect sense!
Obama & the U.S.,
please keep your $1.3 billion of aid. We are not planning to lose our Egypt for trillions of $$. We love our country and please mind your own business going forward. We are sick of hearing about that 1.3 of #%#@$.
then stop asking for it
Wow, not very gracious of you. I'm about to lose my home due to bad economy here on US soil, so please send the money back to us if you don't want it. I would be happy to relieve you of such a burden as the US helping you out.
The Egyptian military kicked Morsy out of office BECAUSE they want the military hardware from the US. We wanted Morsy out, but someone besides the military, in.
Huh? Everything we have done since the revolution has been in support of the elected government of Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood. Why????? It makes no sense at all. We back an elected government even if it is corrupt. No, we should back good government regardless of the form.
It is the law to not provide direct military aid, if he did you would be asking him to be impeached for illegal arms shipments. If you had a clue you might be able to form an intelligent option vs parroting Glen Beck and Fox News
The law states that if there was a coup. This was a revolution initiated by the people and the military had to intervene to protect the country and prevent bloodshed. Do you feel a little educated, now Mr. no-Fox-news?
By the way, I don't watch Fox!
bezboz, No coup, just a military overthrow (popular among many but still a Miltiades overthrow) oh wait per the law if the military overthrows a democratically elected gov't we are not allow to provide military aid... coup by any other word is still a coup. Regan gave aid to radical Muslims in Afghanistan and side-lined the moderates what does that make him?
Do you not watch Fox because they are too liberal? Are you a NewsMax guy?
Cut off ALL funding to these fools.
Introducing "Bob" <– A typical American Redneck
Egypt already has over 200 F-16s in their inventory. They already have Abrams tanks too. This delay won't have a big impact. It's just politics.
it is a big impact... our war machine needs to SELL SELL SELL, and the "AID" money we give egypt needs to be used to BUY BUY BUY from it...
Why don't people see this! Taxpayers send $1B to Egypt, they buy F-16s ... Who gets the money?
I can guarantee you without a doubt that out of those 200 F16's you say, more then half and probably close to 3/4 are grounded or unflyable. Visit any fighter squadron in the US and you'll see the same thing although not as high in percentage. No squadron in the USAF has 100% of their planes ready 100% of the time...
Ex F-15 pilot, but unable to find out if these are new or recycled F-16s? The buy is, of course, for 16 Block 52 F-16Cs & 4 Block 52 F-16Ds under Peace Vector VII. All new, all Pratt & Whitney, which is nice for them. They have all GEs at the moment.
I'm going to assume that you don't know anything about mission-capable availability stats. A good place to start is the reports that were released right after Desert Storm. Search Amazon for Rand.
Peace Vector VII is part of the ~ $1 billion aid package. Aid packages for foreign countries aren't a cashier's check; they include stuff that the nation could use, like military hardware, support for child health programs, internal security, narcotics control, and so on. There's a thing called Google...
And BTW, halting delivery of aircraft is a common occurrence, even when they're lined up with the flags painted on. It makes things frustrating for customers, but it's part of being responsible. Contrariwise, other countries have very few (if any) export restrictions, which is why you find Chinese & Belgian firearms all over the world, etc.
Mike.. No where in my reply is mentioned of the four new aircraft. My reply referred to the 200 someone mentioned ALREADY there.. Nice try though
Strictly a political move on the part of the Obama administration. The only group in Egypt holding the country together is the military. Four F-16s will not upset the balance of power in the Middle East. Ask how much military weapons we have sold to the Emirates and the Saudis. Not necessarily bastions of democracy are they?
You can keep those Death Darts. I'll never fly a fighter with one engine....
Don't you mean you'll never fly a fighter period? I mean, being an ex-fighter pilot and all.
After the checks, and flipping the switches, how do you START an F-15? Any variant...
You're right Chris. I haven't flown a military fighter since 1988, then AWA for 8 years and then 3 years with FCI out of Gateway as a Air Combat Instructor. Now I'm retired...
Mike.. Two keys comes with every Eagle, straight from MD. One key is to open the canopy and the other key's for ignition. Just remember, turn the key to the right to start the right engine, then turn the key to the left, for the left engine. Once key in centered, remove, and place in cup holder.. The pewter F15 keyfob from MD was really nice too..
How many sunrises Ive seen getting jets ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1rst and 2nd leuys should be banned as maintenance officers, captains are tolerated.
Why don't we just give all the "AID" money sent to countries directly to our war machine, as that is the only reason we give this money to countries... there is writing on the "AID" checks that says RESTRICTION that can only be spent on AMERICAN WAR MACHINE PURCHASES.
weapons, especially in middle east, are essential to restore civilian rule.
Oh really!!! Better rethink the whole thing. Arming Towel Heads is a bad idea. Unless they kill each other.
Your ignorance is embarrassing. I hope you're not an American.
Sadly, he most probably is!
I personally authorise the Egyptian Secretary Defence / Abdul Fattah El Sisi to take all necessary actions and whatever it takes from his view to combat and fight against the increasing terrorism within egypt in Sinai and all other cities, and to defend the souls and properties of Egyptians, moreover, 30th June 2013 is called "the greatest revolution in history and not a military coup" Please support THE GREAT EGYPTIAN REVOLUTION
I concur with you. 100% spot on!
Mohamed, Good luck and from one who has friends in the Sinai... I hope it happens soon because I want to go back and visit Dahab (and go diving)!
Egypt had open Democratic elections. Morsy was elected. What the military did was a Coup and the round up and arrests of Brotherhood leaders was disgusting. The US should cut all military aid and bring its Ambassador home as today Egypt is a military dictatorship;.
..and an illegitimate corrupt state
And how do YOU know it was a legitimate election ? Because FOX News said so ? The Muslim Brotherhood had a chance at ruling the country ethically and they failed. A military that is on the side of what is in the best interest of the people stepped in and took over. The military also happens to be on the side of America. So stop complaining and be thankful they handled it and we are helping as apposed to it going to far and ending up like syria or Iraq. Just because Obama, our president made a desison to back our true allies in the region, the Egyption military you do not have to do exactly what Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh tell you to think because they are more on the side or Morsey than they are our actual allies. Where does that put you ? Against Obama ? Essentially on the side of the brotherhood ? Against the USA ? For a underqulified radio talk show host to make educated national security decisions ? and the people to trust what they say as remotley true is stupid. actually That is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And all because you have been told by these same talking heads to beleive everything they say that they will not lie to you. BULL, if they are making money saying it and people are dumb enough to listen and buy it with zero credability, well that is just stupid and there is no cure for stupid, stupid. Lets see you have a drug addict, a drunk and a guy that didnt even finish high school and your ok with listening to their national security opnion, Stupid.
DC INSIDER, my A&&
The people of America love the Egyptians, and want their revolution to succeed brilliantly. The POTUS does not reflect the feelings of the American people, as you well know. The Muslim Brotherhood was trying to swallow up this brand new democracy and turn it into a Sharia based theocracy. The Egyptian people were intelligent enough to see through Morsi and depose him and the Brotherhood. Our best hopes are there in Egypt. We are brothers, and are behind the new Egypt 100%.
They should be supported for deciding to fight radical islam within their own country.
perhaps, they are fighting radical 'americanism' without know it...too bad you fail to see it through your matrix lens of romantic nationalism idolatry.
Sorry Frank. they weren't fighting radical Islam, as they put them in power. They were fighting against percieved abuse of power and a stagnate economy.....nothing more..Sorry to shoot down your romantic ideas.
The POTUS should give the Egyptians the F-16's post haste. These are our friends. The Muslim Brotherhood is not our friend. They may be POTUS friend, but they are more stinkin' terrorists with the POTUS seal of approval. The people of the USA hate and despise the Brotherhood.