No end in sight for North Korea tensions
By Chris Lawrence
While North Korea continues to elevate threats against the United States and its allies, the Pentagon has not seen anything "out of the ordinary" around key missile sites, a defense official told CNN on Friday.
But the heightened rhetoric over nuclear attacks, so far unmatched by any actual military moves, has no foreseeable endgame, a second defense official said.
"This could go on for a while, and we could see variations of the rhetoric," the second official said.
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has approved a plan to put rockets on standby to fire at U.S. targets, including the American mainland and military bases in the Pacific and in South Korea, state media reported Thursday.
South Korea's Yonhap News Agency on Friday cited South Korean military sources who said there was "brisk activity" by the North around missile sites.
But the second defense official told CNN that North Korea often carries out military exercises of its own around the same time that joint exercises are conducted by the United States and South Korean forces.
U.S. Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey also suggested the activity the United States was observing was not out of the ordinary.
"There have been some artillery movements, but nothing other than what's consistent with their historic patterns and training," Dempsey said at a news conference on Thursday.
Still, the United States flew two stealth B-2 bombers near North Korea as part of military exercises on Thursday, viewed as demonstration of resolve to defend its allies and interests.
There were "intense discussions" inside the Pentagon and with the White House before the decision was made to fly the radar-evading planes over the Korean Peninsula, the second defense official said.
The B-2 requires a high level of approval before being deployed.
The official said the deliberations "went all the way up to the senior levels of the National Security Council" before Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel signed the order, the official said.
There was a "full range of options considered" before deciding to fly the B-2, according to the official.
"This was a well thought through decision. Everything about that flight was intentional: From the time of day, to the altitude, the planes that accompanied the B-2s and where it specifically flew."
The official said the B2 flew over Osan Air Base, about 50 miles south of the Demilitarized Zone and North Korean border.
"It's a unique, quite visible signal," the official said. "A message of reinforcement to our allies that the U.S. is open to bringing all assets to support them."
While clearly a message to North Korea that "we can bring force from anywhere and employ the nuclear arsenal from the U.S.," the official said the flight was weighted more toward reassuring South Korea and Japan.
"When they look up and see this, they know 'the U.S. has our backs.' And that is a very big deal in that part of the world, maybe more so than it would be in the US."
Without being specific, the official said the United States has a "range of options still out there, other things that we could do in the future."
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Call his bluff now while he has no operational nukes.This kind of threat diplomacy has no place in the world today. Don't wait and appease till he has the capability.That is proven to be a bad idea historically.
They think the UN weak and indecisive, The longer he gets concessions for making threats the more they believe their own Propaganda.
Leave him in a position where he has to be reasonable or lose his face completely.
Peace and goodness are one! Peace is the goal on the Korean Peninsula. Let there be no mistake about that. Not a shabby or fragile peace. Not another 60 years of "detente." Not a peace at any price. But a true and just peace. This can only be achieved by Great Leaders, who "talk peace"! By this I mean leaders like Gorbachev, whose mindset was bold but peaceful. To tell the truth, the image that the world is getting from Kim Jong Un is somewhat lacking in this respect. I grant him the benefit of the doubt because we must. But he must show soon that he is on the side of goodness! I don't like what I see.
Peace?? It will more likely come if the U.S. sends a strategic bomber squadron over North Korean military/nuclear sites and razes them. The message would be unequivocal and instantly understood.
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Kim's Father loved to use Nuclear Power to negotiate all sort of thing from the western countries.
"I will stop my uranium enrichment" if you give me this or this and this.
Now Kim Jr. wants to do the same,
first "Look I am Crazy" I can go to war!!!!!, I am irresponsible young ,I will make a big mess!!
And when he gets everybody's attention, all media on me!! Great!, next step play de Atomic card!
Nice Crazy "combo", I will start asking for some things in return, of my "coming to my senses"
first take away the economic sanctions , and those other sanctions, then send me a Jetski like my fathers.
and maybe I will change my nuclear plans for a while.
Oh and the Westerns ,how they love to spend money moving around stuff, and doing "pushups".
Human behavior, childish, there are very very few mature people in the world, and they don talk about wars, I am trying to be one of them.
Send Kim to his "room" time out,! and write a couple of hundred times in a paper, "I shall not behave Irresponsible , and then sell my conscience" to the western capitalism.
Apparently North Korea likes to carry out its own exercises while the US and South Korea do their annual exercises. I can only see this as a retaliatory response. I believe they are trying to send a message to us, that they would be ready for anything we had to offer, but I find that highly irrational. The fact that they try to disguise Call of Duty video game footage as their military might in their propaganda footage, says it all. I believe that our military intelligence community has a firm grasp on the situation happening in North Korea. We don’t know all the facts about what’s going on over there from either the standpoint of the Koreans or of our own military. If everyone had access to that kind of classified information we wouldn’t be much of a military. With now two USN ships off the coast of the Korean peninsula we are setting up a missile defense that shows we are through with NK threats. If this is what they wanted, they’re well on their way to getting it.
Should we let them strike first?
The one primary question is how do troops as expected move through heavy zones of radiation lingering and fight .That is in human terms impossible.
Any war must be sustained in terms of supply lines and very heavy munitions: in other words in any movement south, trucks will rapidly be lost as easily dismissed primary targets of opportunity.Mobility will be lost irreplacably within initial hours of a ground war.
There will be an "end" when China says there will be an end. N. Korea will be brought to heel. Kim Sun Un will be given a little slack in the chain around his neck, until the Chinese yank him back and put him in the kennel where he belongs. China is not about to disrupt it's trade relations and upset it's internal fiscal apple cart because of some little tyrant on the hip of the asian mainland. Getting his house in order behind the "glorious leader" is what this exercise appears to be about.
Painting the U.S. and S. Korea as the bad guy's, worked for his grandpa, his papa and now it will work for him. (Up to the point the Chinese say enough is enough).
I don’t think we should take Kim Jong Un to seriously. He is just posturing and showing off. Republican congressman Rep. Peter King on the other hand is VERY dangerous and we should not only take the threat he represents VERY seriously, BUT make sure he has no access to anything more dangerous than a potato gun and even that might be too much for him to handle responsibly. Because knowing republicans he still might somehow be able to start a war with that.
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NK is waging political theater with two goals in mind: 1) to establish Kim the younger as the "man in charge" and, 2) to lure SK into making a move that will justify their already planned military, albeit limited, response. Most, if not all, of this theatre is designed for NK domestic consumption.
Is it possible that North Korea are trying to take the attention and the heat away from Iran's nuclear ambitions by acting the way that they are. If so they seem to be doing a good job. Neither can be trusted. Like birds of a feather.
Nobody including the South Koreans seem to be bothered by this behavior by the North.They know it is nothing but hot air. It has happened before.So why the heck is America doing a big deal of this issue? Look at the rest of the world. It is not bothered.Your defense industry owners are looking for a new outlet to make money or what?
The right-wingers in Washington are using this as another one of their scare tactics to frighten the public as usual! To them, war is big business.
North Korea isn't trying to blow up the rest of the world, now are they. Therefore the rest of the world doesn't have to at least acknowledge the threat. It is just all hot air, but better safe than sorry.
Sir, we (and South Korea) have been in an official state of war with North Korea for over 50 years. The only ones doing the sabre-rattling are the north koreans, we are only taking defensive postures to try to get them to calm down. They are actually a serious threat to us because we are still at war with them and have been for 50 years, and they are developing nuclear technology for the express purpose of militarizing it and using it as a threat against us and South Korea – their goal is forced re-unification of the Korean peninsula through military might.
We signed an armistice with them 50 years ago. An armistice is not even close to a peace treaty, and they already "unilaterally" revoked the armistice a while back.... although that goes against international law.
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We are talking about North Korea, you lunatic.
I'd like to treat your post with the contempt it deserves, but I try not to get into arguments with paranoid, racist, antisemitic, idiotic loonies. Crawl back under your rock, bigot.
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NK does not want a war. They will lose in the end. Kim Jung Un will die, as will most of the top brass. And they know it.
China does not want a war. They will have to deal with a million or more refugees and a possible US ally on there border. You could see SK take the reigns like West Germany did.
The US does not want a war. Despite the fact that we would mostly hit them from the air and let SK do the land war, it would still cost a lot of money we cannot spare and risk pilots and special forces. Additionally, we don't want to harm relations with China. There is very little chance of direct conflict between US and China.
SK does not want war. Although, in the end, they will be on the side that wins, NK will still fire thousands of mortars and rockets in to Seoul and kill a lot of civilians before it is done.
Kim thinks he can keep threatening and make small attacks and hold the world hostage forever. He is treading on thin ice. Soon, the cost of letting him bluster will be as high as the cost of war.
Yeah I agree with you dude. It's all talk, Kim Jung Un just wants everyone to know that he's in charge and appears to stand up to the U.S. .. He knows that we won't do anything over talk of war. It's pretty sad.
Kim is just saber rattling, he knows he can't win against anybody. Hes just a little bantam rooster,running around the henhouse making a lot of noise. I think we are spending intirely too much time listening to him. Maybe if we simply ignore him he will just go away!!
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We are talking about North Korea, you lunatic.
I hope you are correct but history says that N Korea will make another, more serious provocation before Kim starts to play nice. I do not believe the suggested launch from NK's east coast will be the last provocation in the currently tense situation. I fear Kim will attack an American warship which well could be the misjudged misstep that earns him and his country an unwanted agony. I do not believe Kim is experienced enough to judge where he can step without crossing the line.
Since we are a NATO member our pledge to each other is if one Nato member is attacked it is like attacking all Nato members. Nato should make a commitment to the US to stand behind us should NK start a war. I think the military forces of NATO should definitely raise an eye brow or two of chubby old KIM, don't you. Meaning he would be at war with most of the developed countries in the world. Case closed unless he is nuts.
Jerry, NATO was formed for a different theater. I may be wrong but I don't believe NATO members are obligated to join/defend us vs North Korea unless a US territory is attacked.
granted he might not have weapons able to reach Hawaii and mainland USA but would he be dumb enough to fire at our jets taking part in those military exercises in South Korea ?
Kim really needs to keep his hands out of the cookie jar.
NK has nukes and no one knows how many. Tons of terrorists want to nuke
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best sources of info on the subject think. Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn,
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about possible nuke scenarios that could happen right now for the United
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This planet is in dire need of a visit by Klaatu and Gort with much more specific warnings.
We are not certain that NK has nukes. Their tests were so small that a big pile of dynamite would have made the same signature. They were underground and we did not see any radiation.
They could be bluffing.
Nevermind how far these things will go, what if this guy shoot his nukes into the ground or ocean? We all live on this planet together!
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@Buzzer. S. Van Rensselaer failed to persuade his militia to cross the U.S.-Canada border. A small detachment of troops which entered Canada was shot down and forced to surrender while Van Rensellaer's troops stood by and watched.
The US eh..has a track record of surrender....or don't USA record books go back that far?..
Not really my friend. but try as may, we will keep you safe.. As for NK, they are all talk. A warrior speaks once, then strikes if thats whats in his heart or best interest. China is the real one pulling NK strings. Yet the free woorld is giving them a pass in the interest of greed. China is the back stabbing member of this party. However, Americs has one weapon the world can't fight, food. We cut it off, or raise the prices and half the world starves.
Again..."wars", not single engagements or battles. Read and comprehend the words that people use and the context of what they're talking about before you stick your foot in you mouth again...
Put down this rabid dog. I'm tired of it.
Another idiotic comment above from another mindless Tea Partier! This is what never ends!
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All this talk about "taking out" North Korea is truly nauseating! How many of these warmongering bozos here have any true notion of what war is like? War is one thing only, Bad, bad and bad! We need to get some kind of dialogue going with Pyongyang and fast!
That's it! No more waiting or provokation is required. A formal declaration of war against the Republic of Korea requires that the USA and South Korea jointly attack North Korea at the earliest convenient opportunity. Attacks should be planned to cause the maximum disabling effect against North Korea's war-making power by air with cruise missiles and other air assets. Attack targets should include power plants, long range missile launch pads, North Korean artillery emplacements within range of Seoul, communication hubs, military headquarters starting from the DMZ northward, military assembly areas from the DMZ northward. KJU, himself should be targeted for immediate elimination, followed by the DPRK command structure from the top down.
Another senseless comment above from another weak minded, warmongering, hateful Tea Partier! This kind of ignorance needs to be outlawed. Then again, if it was, this guy(Joe M.) would be in big trouble! Like you said above Marine, these idiots have no idea of what war is truly like!
I am no advocate of an attack on North Korea, for various reasons. However, the peace-loving comments above are naivety at its fullest. We have engaged in thousands of hours of "dialogue" with North Korea, which gained us absolutely nothing. North Korea knows how to play the system, just like Hitler played the system in the 30s. I don't want an attack on North Korea, but I also don't want worthless "peace talks" with them either. It will only result in us sending billions of dollars in aid and food, and false promises from them to abort their nuclear amibitions. Until they're command structure changes dramatically (like revolution dramatic), we can expect nothing but militant behavior with zero cooperation from the North Koreans.
North Korea should remember that their territory is no Afghanistan , and the USA purpose is not to install democracy there. They know where the military brass is hiding and it would be rather easy to wipe them out. Restoring democracy there, the most difficult part, will be the job of the south Korean
The North Korean military has no courage. The army is not brave. They will lose war today. China does not support them. Russia does not support them. The country is a island. They are alone in world. The leader is only a boy. He lacks courage of his ancestors. The leader is a barking dog in ears to all of world. Mad dog need to be euthanized.
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Having a thermonuclear device detonate over LA, or more like Honolulu is OK by you then ? It's OK by you if 1.5 million Americans die ?
Seriously, there are way too many people treat foreign affairs like a video game. My guess is, it's because you've never had other people actually shooting at you, who want nothing more than you dead. It doesn't mean you don't act. It does mean you think first though.
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So it's ok for russia to send 50 atomic bom carrieng planes 50 miles west of new york to hold 'practise runs' ?
And you sure won't ever protest?
Well, Russia sent many planes over the pole towards Alaska and Canada over the years and they have always been intercepted by fighters from Alaska and Canada are are politely turned back. No war of words over that.
This whole thing is just another bunch of stupidity coming out of Washington D.C. All Barack Obama had to do is to respond to the offer that Dennis Rodman made in order to set up a dialogue him and Kim Jong Un. Unfortunately, Obama chose to blighthly ignore the whole thing and get us into this needless mess! With the M.I.C. running things In Washington these days, no wonder we can't have peace!!!
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Not nearly close enough, Phunnie boy. In fact, I'm almost 70 years old with two years of college and see things from the "middle of the road". In other words, I'm a moderate who takes a dim view of right-wing stupidity, especially from the right-wing, Obama loving Tea Partiers!
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Well it seems that the last military missile launch -successfully, for once- gave them ideas... I don't believe in "total war", but seems that the NK military grew ambitious those days, and I' afraid that the 3-4 South Korean islands inhabitants inside the claimed-North Koread maritime border can sweat a bit... "Crab War continuation is my "best" guess... Within a month, I think.
Just have a look: sometime, a map can speak volumes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Korean_maritime_border.svg
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!
This stupid, fat and young Kim Jong Un is simply making noise to keep his own military leaders from hanging him!
Why take any of this seriously? Kim Jong Un can threaten all he wants, the minute he dares to attack anyone will be his last day on earth!
Why should we spend a billion dollars beefing up our defenses on the west coast? Waste of money! But this is exactly what our Pentegon idiots wait for, some meaningly useless threat to jusify enriching military contracters! Stop this!
Kim Jong Un is no threat to anyone, he simply wants attention and not get hanged by his own people!
This boy can barely reach the table as can be seen from the photograph. United States, this is the only one chance for the world to free the civilians of North Korea who are suffering insufferable pain and torture in this forbidden country!
When the USA/ROK joint exercises end, will Kim Jong Un proclaim "we have made the US back down w/ out superior forces and weapons capable of hitting their country"? That's why we flew those B2 bombers. Despite the censorship and manipulation imposed on the general population, word of the force actually stacked against Kim will get back to people. The joint industrial zone will continue. But you know what, I hope they shut that program down and keep tight sanctions on the DPRK – make that regime crack. I want to see how Kim explains wasting all his country's resources on rockets and weapons, vs. food for his people. He's young and may win a short internal victory only to quickly discover he's lost the war.
This is one of the few times I agree with they way Obama is handling a crysis. He had made absolutely no comments on the the N. Korea situation. Let other lower ranking officials speak on the topic, but please Mr. President, don't let any little comment "leak" out. Let this young brat smash all of his toys and cry in his own little sandbox, but do not give him the negative attention he seeks.
If the rest of the people in North Korea weren't in danger too, I'd say bomb them out of existence.
The US could however use a drone for a surgical strike and take out their supreme leader and his band of military generals.I'd love to watch that on TV.
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God Bless USA. We will fight till our last breath.
really Brave? when did this start? better look at history Brave guy, thats something the US Army only does on rare, very rare occasions. Like most western armies we surrender, and surrender in large numbers. Remember this is a culture that values the individual or rather one in which the individual is free to place a high value on themselves. It's Asian armies that fight to the last. Try asking a Korean War Vet what it was like facing a mass charge of the North Korean Army or army of the PRC. Or check with a German vet who was at Kursk and see who fights to the last.
List ONE war the U.S. ever been in an formally had to "surrender"? Vietnam? No. Again, list genius...
...and the U.S. never had one opposing force that ever came close to forcing us to "fight to the last man"....resources and training always give us the ability to fight at the time and place of our choosing.
The US formerly surrended in 1812...in Detroit it was. How fitting. And on more than one occasion I might add
An early attempt to invade failed before it began when Gen. William Hull, reportedly frightened into a state of near incoherence, surrendered his entire army at Detroit without firing a shot
that was easy
wigmam- We're talking about "fighting to the last man" and in the context of nations unconditionally surrendering to another... Going back over 200 years to a single U.S. Army unit under a single general to point out that the U.S. "has a track record of 'surrender' " + your other "event" in Canada is pretty weak. You sound like a lawyer trying to dig for whatever he can to win his argument on a "technicality"...again weak.
China wont let little kimmy do anything. Chinas financial interest in the U.S. is a lot more then No Korea
North Korea you do not want to wake the sleeping giant(US).
Hey, I would want to blow up the world if that's the best haircut I can get...
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LOL he looks so pudgy and healthy. Dear Pudgy leader why don't you feed your people?
His military generals all got thier medals from a flea market. What major offensives have they been in that they have aquired so much heorism?
Keep rattling your saber, let one rocket lose and the U.S. shall smite you off the face of this earth.
Why does the U.S. and the international community put up with this thug? Seriously ignore them. I think China and Russia love putting up with him because it keeps the U.S. and the internationaly community busy and distracted.
Oh wow here is this little dictator saying he has nukes pointed at us fixed on Los ngeles and he is ready to fire them and the stuffed shirts at the Pentagon say they see noting out of the ordinary hum-drum routine. Sadaam had zero nuclear bombs, no air force and no missiles and we had Condo Rice warning us about us about a mushroom cloud and Powell showing us barns from the sky! Lets be honest the Pentagon is scared to death of North Korea. Admit it.
I think not, not in the least.
You got everything almost right!!! All you have to do is take everything you said and apply the opposite.. Then you will be spot on!
Lol! Only if by "scared to death" you mean 'laughing to death.'
Having a nuclear device you can set up in a tunnel, with weeks if not years of preparation isn't the same as having one light enough for a small missile, or even an aircraft. Ask fellows at Lawrence Livermore Labs who fired lots of devices that were fizzles before they go it right most of the time. Those boys could smash atoms if you gave them a map, a slide rule, and twice critical mass. Los Alamos could get it done but the Lawrence guys, forget about it, and most of the physics packages on our weapons are Lawrence so good luck........
As I stated the worm was developed by the PRC the massive cyber attack on ROK was a perfect chance for Kim Jong Un to back down and save face, without a military confrontation That is why I believe the PRC helped the DPRK. Or the PRC are trying to scare us by showing 'he is out of control'. Which could be true or disinformation. The one thing that is clear is that the PRC want us to know they launched the attack for whatever reason and they knew we would. They are trying to tell the US something, but what. If I try to analyses it I get a headache so who knows.
Don't bother trying to understand China or North Korea. You'll just end up with an aneurism. If there is one consistent thing about the "Middle Kingdom" when it comes to diplomacy, its that they're completely in their own little world circa 500 AD. A world where everyone else is a "foreign barbarian" and they're the only "bastion of civilization" and part of their scared duty is to pass that mindset on to their children.
The rest of Asian got a wake up call to who the "barbarians" were when they got rolled over by European powers. Powers that then proceeded to introduce their subjects to concepts such as the rule of law (instead of the whim of inbred aristocracy), public health & education, etc. China was spared that forcible introduction to reality and thus over thousand years of formalized bigotry and brainwashing was allowed to continue unabated.
Eventually Lil fat boy is going to make a mistake and do something really stupid and his life will end and NK will have a serious change for the people and they will all have a much better life in the end. All it will take is for Lil fat boy to make the first move.
Pudgy, phat little hands. Who could be scared of his pudgy, phat little hands? LOL!
What do you get when over 95% of a country looks alike and is of the same race?
Answer: inbreeding.
This is what's wrong with Korea, North and South.
You can't be this stupid, can you?
Love it. They all even have the same names. "Kim" is everywhere. Lol...
Nice Hats, All have the same ribbons, got them off ebay. The big guy on the right could loose a few. When China gets sick of this stuff they will call billy the kid up and tell him to shut up or they will replace him and his family.
From Great American Hero: Soon or Later G-d is going cut North Korea down! Long tounge North Korea Liar!
Russia isnt' giving North Korea a penney now a days...North Korea is relactant to take anything form China, and it's being close to taking for the US as long as nothing it as of her...North KOrea doesn't want to be a Dog to some other nation...it fight her own Battles but is against fighting them for someone else outside of its nation...the last time something was going to be asked of North Korea that would turn her into a dog a fighting dog for someone else...that is why it turn it down...North Korea has more pride then Iran...and doesn't see herself become a dog for US-China- or Russia no one...
What is percentage if people in N.Korea who hasn't brain washed by government and the current leader? Probably 0%
I doubt that they share his leader opinion,but can't speak loud about that. So, the best case scenario is that the fat guy going to flee away if something goes not according to his plan and simple folks will take a heat for him.
North Korea has the potential to be a great country. They have legal weed. They don't fight with each other over politics on the internet. They're very loyal, caring folks living in a country with a beautiful landscape. Don't even bring up the food issue. We have millions of homeless and hungry people too in the US.
If they had South Korea's technology and a free trade economy with no sanctions, they'd be a second tier super power. Until then, they aren't even close to being a real threat. They are just being exploited as the bad guy so the military industrial complex war mongerers can keep on profiting. The majority of the population over there have no clue to what is going on. Dropping a nuclear weapon on them would be a crime against humanity. And don't forget what happened the last time the world's greatest military tried to occupy North Korea. They got owned and sent south of the DMZ.
Kim Sung-Un had a great opportunity to destroy the United States through peaceful measures but unfortunately it looks like he's just another puppet the powers that be control. History 100 years from now will look back and label that family as weak traitors who sold out it's people to the international banking cartel.
Has Fat boy got you bent over ?
Yeah.... but not owned by the north korean forces, the US/South Korea was pushed back by a combined force of NK and China. Plus, the Chinese/NK forces suffered MASSIVE casualties during that fight (somewhere on the order of 4 times as many casualties!). If China were to enter the conflict on the side of NK again, then this would be an entirely different ball of wax, NK on its own however....
LMFAO! That you, Dennis?
North Korea does accept help that's why Rodman was there in North Korea recently...to be on the good side of Obama...i say just take your hands off North Korea's Neck so it can breath and give her twice the amount Iran Russia and China are giving her which isn't much i assure you cause it's going hungry...Korea takes help ass long as not action is require from it...it will not do Chinas will nor Irans or Russia North Korea is un independent thinker...but if you keep waying the way it's going North Koreas action unvolunterily are alinging to one one benefits ...every one stands to lose some -if avery one lets go as are doing today– there is no options for North Korea but to strike a blind blow to see where that will lead too???? North Korea doesn't hold aliance with any nation unless is force to...so by nesesary its being taking everything for all nations...including the USA and giving out nothing bearly a picture from time to time ...due to all the pressure the USA is putting on North Korea she is just being puched towars Iran...someone North Korea don't want to make deals with either...China doesn't have a say on North Korea's action even when through Iran is give a bit a meal...maybe...North Korea doesn't want power just to be able to exist within the phenomena that is the greater nations who are alway fighting for power over other nations...
I disagree. N.Korea isn't a wolf in the corner at this point. They(N.korean fols) or him or my be all together have choose the way they rolling now. The options are always there if you just start thinking about your kids and future. I don't think the way N.Korea is behaving now could attract any help from other nations,unless Rodman willing to give up his wig.
Wondering if special forces are working on get rid of this fat annoying plaque.
Who cares whether the nut quiets down. He'll never do anything; he'd be too afraid of losing his harem. Why doesn't the obamination send a drone to rid the planet of this idiot.
another comment pulled out of an uneducated a*s*s...perhaps take some classes in geopolitics and gain a little understanding of the root causes and complexities of these issues.
OH THAT is hilarious. (NOT)
Gee, i heard you Conservatives where screaming like little
girls over Obama using drones.
Pull your finger out of your azz and get a life.
deeper than jerry springers final thoughts
This is the moment when strength-of-character is required. Maybe, or maybe not, NK is REALLY going to strike SK and/or the U.S. If it is ready to make REAL war, we MUST let NK pull the trigger. This may mean allowing thousands of SK citizens to die in initial attacks, or to let thousands of American troops in SK to die. This would be regrettable, but in the latter case, at least, those deaths would be serving EXACTLY the purpose for which those live were put at risk in the first place. The only reason the U.S. has troops in SK is to make NK think twice about attacking. They are the tripwire, and we should not be shocked if they are sacrificed. However, once NK kills Americans in SK, or kills our SK allies, NK will disappear. The only question is whether NK knows this. We should sit quietly and let young Kim figure this out, while planning to obliterate him if his youth and ignorance prevail.
Sid
Sid: You are very close to the truth here...reminds me of Aug.1961, Soviet backed E. Germany erected the infamous
Wall dividing East & West Berlin (a free City). 1st Battle Group, 18th Infantry, 8th Div., stationed at Coleman Barracks,
Mannheim, Germany was ordered to re-enforce US Troops stationed there. The US Forces were totally outgunned by
Soviet men & Equipment at the Brandenburg Gate...it would have been 'Custer at the Little BigHorn' all over again, with
one major exception, ...if Soviet leadership decided to launch an attack, it would have been all over swiftly...US Nuclear
Armed Might would have been overbearing & swift.. The cost would have been horrendous, but...at that time, the
US (NATO) Forces would have prevailed.
Be careful of 'Little Fat Boy'...he just might be insanely, deceitfully proud, it's best to be FULLY READY', JUST IN CASE.
Actually, those 23,000 US troops are more than just a "tripwire". Most of the deployed forced are made up of almost invincible M1A2 tank units that will create a huge pile-up of smoldering T-72s. Also there are many combat engeenier groups that will blow every bridge should they come south. So, even though there is only 23,000 US troops, with the help of 550,000 S Korean infantry, they should be able to stalemate the any southern advance.
..fukin CHICKENHAWK.......I hop YOUR kid is in SK.................
What a joke. Every picture is of a fat Korean kid standing next to a pig.
Lol
I think if we were to assassinate Kim and then deny it, that would keep China from stepping in the mix. They would know our denial is a lie. We would know that they know our denial is a lie, but the problem would be resolved. It allows China to save face as well. China does not want war with us, but would be kind of obligated to if we blatantly and overtly attacked N. Korea.
We target Kim. Don't worry about collateral damage. Be as precise with our target as we can.
I find it hard to believe that the people of North Korea wouldn't welcome his demise.
do you know the excuse for war? your risk killing millions of north koreans in any war to free them? crocadile tears your talking. you ain't liberating nobody in north korea, the excuse for invading iraq was weapons of mass destruction..
even if we took out the supreme leader they would just hire some muslim to take over nuff said