Attorney General Eric Holder Tuesday stopped short of entirely ruling out a drone strike against an American citizen on U.S. soil—without trial.
Holder’s comment came in a letter to Sen. Rand Paul. Paul had sent a letter to President Obama’s CIA director nominee John Brennan asking for the administration’s views on the president’s power to authorize lethal force.
In the letter, Holder said “It is possible I suppose to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. “
In a separate letter, Brennan told Paul that the CIA has no such authority.
The nomination passed its first hurdle Tuesday with the Senate intelligence committee voting to approve the nomination in a 12-3 vote. Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia said he voted against the nomination because of inconsistencies in Brennan's testimony.
Earlier in the day, the White House agreed to provide legal documents written by Justice Department officials explaining the legal rationale for targeting Americans overseas who are involved in terror-related activities that threatened America or American interests.
"Look mommy, there's an airplane up in the sky..."
Americans have always been subject to being killed by their government....Just act up enough and see what happens. This isn't new or news!
Very true. Walk into a bank with a gun and start shooting, and magically you will find yourself dead.. No trial.. no lawyer. Is this a violation of your rights? No because you were a criminal doing a criminal act.
Look the drones took out an american who declared war on this country and was a kook. He had it coming. Now for some reason, everyone assumes if it happens to this al quaeda kook it can happen to them? Come on.. Were people crying when their phones could be easily tapped? Were people crying when Internet service providers were forced to install black boxes on their networks provided by the government? No because that was in response to 9/11 and was a PATRIOT Act. Heck, it's Patriotic.. who can go against that?
Now the same people championing the Patriot act are now concerned that their rights are being violated? THEY might be droned?
The government is coming for our weapons then us!
Nick the goverment doesnt need your weapons to take you out dumb!@#
They have tanks and armored vehicles.. you dont. They have planes, you don't. They have stinger missles, you dont.
If the goverment wanted to take anything from little ole nick, they could do so in a moment. There are no guns that can save you.
So lets stop trying to pretend that you having an AR-15 is going to save you from the government. It's a cop out and we all know it.
I am selling drone proof umbrellas, $19.99 each plus shipping and handling.
Psycho "patriots" take over a US installation and want to fire an atomic missle at DC.
"No Mr. President, you don't have the authority to launch drone strikes against them"
Atomic missiles? Put down the xbox remote, pick up a book. But to answer your question, no.
They are called tactical nuclear missiles!
...HUGE difference between an imminent threat and murdering a person who is not an imminent threat and is certainly not -proven- to be an imminent threat to anyone.
Al Awlaki was not shown to be aiming a nuke at DC (or anything remotely like that), and his 16-year-old son from Colorado, who was separately targeted and killed, most certainly wasn't.
they were killing American soldiers. Good enough for me. You hate Obama so much would support obvious traitors. What does that make you?
That kook would kill you or your family if you stood in front of him. Now I don't know about you, but I have seen enough of this guy to know he needed to be removed from this world.
And do you think his son was any better? Come on..
We invade a soverign nation with no proof of weapons of WMDs, kill hundreds of thousands (some innocent and some not) and nobody says a word.
We later kill one american terrorist and suddently this is a problem? Have you all lost it? Stop trying to define people as citizens and non citizens, they're all just people. Some are good and some aren't.
wow... drone strikes overseas are a gray area, then against a US citizen overseas brought it further.
this though is flat out insane. does obama just think he can do anything he wants and ignore his actual duties (and as i type this i realize how obvious that sounds)? and yes, i'd be scared of what a republican pres would think about this too. while hardly worse than castro, this needs to go.
as for holder, it's even scarier because this isn't even as bad as it gets for him
Does war sound as a good reason? These wars may be undeclared, but they have been authorized.
I;m sorry you're so disturbed that a terrorist is dead. Hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq.. oh no problem with that.
But a citizen of this country droned.. and this is an issue? Do some reading.. learn about what this "citizen" was up to. Understand that he wanted YOU and everybody you know dead. And then see if you want to defend his rights.
It's time to clean out the White House, Congress and Senate people & start over. These are the warning signs.
COLLATERAL DAMAGE - coming to america now that we have all been educated what that is....AWESOME. We are royally screwed.
As long Obama stays black, the Obamanites will enjoy every minute of his fascism.
Just like every other fascist state on the rise, they hide everything in plain sight, and the sight is so incredible people won't believe their own eyes. You'd better open them soon. Lefties are the first to think our Govt. capable of the most heinous crimes everywhere in the world yet doubt the naked Emperor would ever do anything so dastardly to maintain the status quo.
The tragedy is we americans see what is going on but cannot believe it. The government has become people's mom/dad and they believe the government.. Informed people are called conspiracy nuts... This country has been dumbed down and they will have drones to remove future dissent. Land of the free is screwed..
Watch out, there's a drone over your house right now!
You are the lead dummy
How about using them on gangs and corporations that commit fraud?
Change people. change for the better. Stop resting on the Laurels of our Forefathers. They have done us good and we have been cheating ourselves and the whole world. Change from being selfish to being Selfless.
FOX News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh have caused some SEVER MENTAL DAMAGE in a lot of their followers!! Just read some of these post!!
Protect our self from "our" government! "The Drones are coming" after everyday citizens!! "Obama is hell bent on destroying America!!"! Blah Blah Blah!! Listen to these nutcases!!
It is spelled 'severe', not 'sever' (like to cut an arm off)...never met a Lefty who could spell past four letter words
I could say the same about every righty I've met.
I like the response even if I am left-handed.
Obama's administration has killed hundreds more "combatants" and innocent bystanders with drones than the "warmongers" in the Bush administration ever dreamed of killing. Even the NYT has reported on this insane irony. Since the Obama administration refuses to articulate its drone assassination policy, it's entirely plausible that Americans in the U.S. could be targeted eventually.
You've conveniently forgotten all the innocent Iraqis Bush killed, somewhere about 50,000 at last count. Bombing of hospitals, power plants, schools, museums. Obama is nowhere in Bushes league.
Hannity and Limbaugh don't have to say ANYTHING! Holder is admitting they could actually propose KILLING AN AMERICAN on AMERICAN SOIL without any trial. That is TOTALLY against everything that this country stands for. All that whining about water-boarding and torture is nothing compared to MURDER!
Violating an american citizens rights to due process on US soil, yikes.
Where did Holder say that?
LOL – these are the same liberals that wrung their hands over waterboarding, over extraordinary rendition, over Gitmo. What a joke! What hypocrats!
It's not the Democrats or Republicans that is supporting this. It's the industrial military complex that has grown so large over the last few generations that has allowed something like this to even become a possibility in this country. The sooner we stop pointing fingers across the isles at each other the quicker we can start attacking the REAL enemy in this country.
This is what you get when you have a neo -fascist in the White House, an iron fist inside of a Velvet glove.
The fact that republicans do nothing all these tells me all of them are in bed together..... We are screwed fellow americans...
You're right. It's a certain few that have gotten together to take complete control of this country and it's citizenry. It's time that this country's citizens stop playing petty politics and root out those that are really ruining this country.
When the American people have to live in fear of their own government, it's time for a new government. Stories like this are a good part of the reason some Americans arm themselves to the teeth.
No doubt the banksters would do the same to us as they do to every other country. Shut them down.
Free Bradley Manning too.
This is scary.. Slowly they will send drones and target people on freeways just for political dissent , internet comments against government etc etc. Slippery slope... We are screwed .. completely screwed...
Another republican girly man.
Wasn't there a little something about an impeachment? And a conviction?
Time to revisit that, before we all wind up in the stuff.
First strike should be on this Idiots head
this is not an ideological battle between left vs right, GOP vs Dems, Statism vs liberty. This is ethnic warfare against white people.
Love to all, hatred to no one, but why are hostile globalist elite supporting Israel as a Jewish ethnostate with Jewish only immigration, but turning white majority Europe and North America into a multi-ethnic multi-cultural Gulag with dystopian non-White colonization?
Why do gullible Whites kowtow like puppies to hostile Jewish elite, who maim White soldiers in bankrupting wars, infiltrate and subvert our central banks and intelligence agencies, indoctrinate us in classrooms and mass media, impose trillions in debt, and plunder our wages?
East Asia is 99% yellow. Africa is 99% Black. West Asia is 99% Brown. But 3rd world colonizers are annihilating Whites, just as Chinese colonizers are annihilating Tibet. That is the endgame.
"Native" Americans are not native. They invaded from East Asia. They massacred Solutrean White Europeans, who came first. Whites were not the only slave owners, imperialists. Muslims, Jews, Chinese, Indians, Mayans, Africans all are guilty of slavery, imperialism. Whites were victims of Arab, Jewish, Turk, African, Mongol imperialism, slavery.
White people should reject suicidal anti-White Jewish ideological plagues like libertarianism, feminism, liberalism, socialism. Whites should reject venomous smears of racism and anti-sem iti sm.
Love to all, hatred to no one, but White people must unite and organize to advance their families, their fertility, their interests.
SPOT ON !! Its scary how people are fighting among themselves saying GOP / DEMOCRATS ETC... Its two sides of same coin.. I am an immigrant like you and can see through this.... American sheep wake up. Its not LIBERALS/ REPUBLICans.. there are powerful sources acting in the background inthe shadows. Dont call me conspiracy nut case.. i have 3 degrees...
lol Kumar! I am betting that there are one or more swastika tattoos somewhere on your body.
wow, racist much?
One of the problems with Drone strikes on American soil will be collateral damage. We'll have drones killing 70 people at a wedding because the drone recognized 1 guest as a terrorist. I'm sure you've read about these drone strikes overseas and they don't always hit their intended target.
I saw that movie..
Another (problem?) will be an almost immediate impeachment proceeding.
You were asleep the country changed from a decade ago... America has gone down the toilet because patriot act, NDAA, fema, drones u name it...
I find it amazing how you don't see the very IDEA of a drone attack ANYWHERE in the world as cowardly and dishonorable. A war is only a war when both side know they are being engaged. Drone attacks are assassinations, and cowardly ones at best. Drone strikes remove all thought and emotion from the "soldier" perpetrating them. All the operator is doing is pointing a gun and shooting at a target from miles, maybe a continent away with no knowledge of why he's doing it. This is imperialistic unjust and should be an illegal form of warfare.
What collateral damage. Who says the drones that might be used are war-grade? However, Holder's scenario of taking down the WTC planes certainly would be. But, then Bush authorized the military do perform that mission in case such a scenario would happen again. Drone vs piloted jet - no diff.
Doesn't the National Guard have legal authority to use lethal force within the united states? What is different from an Air National Guard helecopter with a pilot and a National Guard Drone with no pilot?
The Governer of each state can call up the National Guard in emergencies, why not use drones. What's the problem.
Yea, the National Guard...Kent State comes to mind. Give your head a shake.
The problem is that a helicopter pilot is a human being sent out on a mission, and can reason and empathize like a human being. A drone jockey sitting in an underground bunker hundreds of miles away operating a joystick on a television screen is just as capable of killing, but in a very dehumanized way. It removes whatever slight moral dilemma is involved in killing a fellow human being.
You misjudge the effects on drone pilots. Recent reports indicate that these drone pilots do suffer from PTSD. Another point is that a jet flying at the speed of sound, and under orders to, say protect, the airspace of secure sites, what real judgment does or should a pilot have.
This country has changed a lot! There is a reason that Fidel Castro was never assassinated, nor were a number of terrorists, including Saddam Hussein (pre-war), etc. It has always been against American principal to resort to "murder" – justified or not – to achieve our political goals and protect our country.
You don't have to be very old to see how a similar problem – civil liberties – have been shelved in lieu of "protection against terrorism." We have so many less freedoms now than a dozen years ago that it is mind-boggling. If things keep on that course what kind of America will people be living in by the middle of the century?
We have to live by our own example. That means not to violate liberties in the name of liberties. This is not political – but rather a simple definition of what America is all about.
Aren't you glad liberals care about you???
Coming from someone that is probably foolish enough to think conservatives care about them.
Wake up. NO ONE in Washington cares about you.
o.k. i voted for these guys 2x. they have snapped to even think about it. holden should be fired and anyone involved in that as well. now, not later. bad enough congress has declared war on the president and the middle class. this is Irresponsible
Should have done your homework. It's not like these guys have hidden their playbook, they told everyone what they were going to do... They just have their lemmings out there cheering him on not really paying attention to what they are cheering for.
Allen – Wow only twice. Many of Obama's cult following voted him a dozen or more times in each election. You didn't do your part. How long will it be before people realize 1. Obama doesn't have a clue and 2. He stuck down a rabbit hole...
Remember now, it won't be an act of war because no person is in the weapon.
Drones are still physically controlled by people; they aren't self-aware. There is a person that effectively pulls the trigger.
Figures, Holder, Mr. Fast & Furious himself. He is the true terrorist in this gov't.
why should we believe what holder says he doesn't even know what goes on in his own department
WTH is happening to America?
The public voted in leadership that has no understanding of what this country was founded on. That's what.
gee, i gots peeps i would like to target. what a buzzkill you are.
We are screwed in our police state. They can kill us using a drone and say u are a maniac, terrorist.. we are screwed by our own government...
Good grief!! just the fact that he wouldn't rule it out is scary enough.
are we so pro obama that we forget we are suposed have rights!!! as free americans
When people decide they want their rights they will bear arms and fight for them.
Well that is unless the gun flow becomes controlled.
MLK, Ghandi, Mandela all achieved rights for millions without arms. Unless you are ready to fight the U.S. military (assuming you manage to get too big for S.W.A.T.) then your gun isn't going to help much in that pursuit.
Matthew: MLK, Ghandi yes. Mandela – no. The ANC had plenty of arms and was responsible for numerous car bombs etc. Mandela was head of the ANC.
Matthew, wrong. You are assuming the US military is going to turn their guns on American citizens following govt orders. Not happening. It might actually result in mutinies. Even if your long shot possibility comes true, imagine a 100 m armed citizens Vs 1m troops scattered all over the country. Not even a close fight.
No we (Obama supporters) absolutely should hold the administration's feet to the fire to change this policy. I'm a bigger fan of Due Process than Barack Obama.
Matthew, i don't think you are a great Obama fan. I hope you are aware that all this ruckus is related to the 'Anwar Al Maliki' event in Yemen. The US is at war and Anwar decided to work with the enemy. He is a traitor and fits the description of enemy combatant. He has failed at attempts to create mass killings on US soil – but continued non the less. He deserved what he got – legally too. You sound more like a Rand Paul (Delusional Presidential Candidate 2016) supporter. Enough of this libertarian b.s from the pauls.
Read about the Civil War sometime. American Citizens were shot with no questions asked. Take up arms against the United States....and you are the Enemy.
If you take-up arms individually to fight one-on-one with the US govt, you would right-fully be called a lunatic. There is legal recourse for most individual grievances. On the other hand if you take-up arms in a really mass movement, (no occupy movements here) like a civil war (i don't think there will be another as long as we have all the social safety nets) against a govt, i can guarantee, you would at least not be consider a lunatic.
Only those who voted for him have been fooled. Sadly, its the majority of the US.
I doubt it was the majority, this election just like the last was cooked.
Yes Ryan. We Americans have lost that freedom because of our selfishness.
Can you really not envision a logical and reasonable use of force by a drone on US soil?
Would you be ok with striking a convoy of a few cars that is proven to have a large explosive device and the intent to use it if they are heading towards a large city? If there is no other means to stop it, I would say that it would be logical to take it out with a drone.
My right to protection from a terrorist attack, like on 9/11, can e invoked. I would rather lose a piece of hardware than an American soldier.
.... easy 'Paul' Ryan. 2016 is still a long way to go!
Just because Holder says that they can do it doesn't mean they can...I see this going to court...LOL!
Its in court now in newyork. Google chris hedges drones.
Ummm, 'Real Truth' Guy, since you're going to make an issue of spelling and grammar ...
Sorry bud, but there are plenty of idiots on the left as well.
It ain't just the righties who can't spell, or in your case – properly conjugate a verb. You needed to say either 'You've forfeited' or 'You forfeit'. Either way, sorry, but you're the idiot here.
C'mon Holder, you arms merchant, now you're just sounding like an idi0t.
I seriously don't see why people (Republicans) are throwing a fit over this. All drones are are unmanned aircraft which are basically small attack aircraft. Would they rather us send in our A-10s or AC-130s? I highly doubt it. This is the 21st century people. If you can't break through a wall, go over it.
Seriously!?! You can't see anything wrong with the government killing an American citizen with no trial? We dont like his politics so lets just drop a hellfire into his living room? If you're okay with that you don't deserve to live in this country. Mindboggling.
Could it be because drones don't have the ability to question orders?????
Hopefully the Supreme Court sees this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. In simple terms unless the person who operates the remote control plane is a member of federal, state, or local law enforcement, it would take an act of congress to authorize a member of the military to attack American citizens.
If I am correct that act has been repealed hush hush...
If anyone would care to read the Holder letter, Holder is actually questioning whether any President has such an authority, and says simply that it is possible. His examples of where it might be deemed possible is attacks similar to Pearl Harbor, and the Twin Tours attack of 9/11.
I would also like to point out that the military currently has the authority (and I'm not sure if the President even needs to authorize it), to shoot down planes entering into secure airspaces within the US. At this time, the Air Force scrambles jets to intercept and try to visually contact the plane and pilot and direct or force the plane down. They are also authorized to shoot it down. If this is allowed to be done by the military without the okay of the President (that is there is a standing order, and I suppose Congress has been involved in okaying this - it isn't a secret, obviously), then I would assume a drone could be used for the same purpose. Holder didn't mention this, but it would seem the obvious extension to using drones is not out of the question.
Niether of those attacks was conducted by an American...
Yes, but hundreds of absolutely innocent Americans were on board, and killing a handful of terrorists while necessarily killing 100s of passengers makes that a use of killing these Americans without trial. I would guess, it's just a guess, that all the American's on board would be found innocent.
What do you think?
What happens when a terrorist hacks (takes control of) one of these armed drones over US territory ???
How many Hell Fire missiles do these carry ?
Even without missiles these drones would make great kamikaze weapons in the wrong hands.
Who thinks these are a good idea ???
What happens if a terrorist takes control of one of our A-10s or AC-130s? Oh thats right, that hasn't happened.
It would be impossible to take control of an AC-130 without physically modifying the plane. That isn't the case with drones.
Anybody could build something equal to a DRONE with remote control planes available at your local hobby Shop!!
Right, they have all those missles and machine guns down at the hobby store. Jesus, really?
Get your head out of Hannity & Rush's butt and go see what is "really out there" sport!
Youtube it if you can turn off Fox TV long enough.
Now then truth is clear. It is the people who control our politicians against "We the people"
The time is near. Sound crazy. ..... Well one to the new world.
It ismTHEM v.s. us
Any question that our own government is the greatest enemy we have?
Here you go folks... This is why the 2nd amendment, AR15s and high capacity mags are needed; to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government.... you keep asking, here is the answer, this is only the start.
Yeah, your Security Blankie -i.e. your guns – are going to be REEEAALLY effective against a drone cruising at 20000 ft. What protects us against tyranny are not the guns, but our votes. But you keep thinking your blankie protects you Big Guy
you're really so stupid as to think that voting makes a difference? The US gov't answers only to the oligarchy – the british and european banking famillies. Politics is strictly a show for the stupid ignorant masses of US people who deserve to be butchered at the hands of their own military for allowing their military to butcher everyone else all across the globe. Moron.
The taliban have held on for a long time with little more than small arms and explosives.
You're right there's zero reason to fear the US government and military. The US military can't defeat 25,000 Taliban soldiers, lost Vietnam, lost North Korea, and needed two wars to get Saddam Hussein. They would get slaughtered if they engaged US citizens. Drones won't be an option anyways unless they want the backlash from the collateral damage they cause. Seriously what could they possibly do? Start dropping hellfire missiles in the middle of major metro areas like NYC, LA, or Chicago? The government fears the armed public and rightfully so.
IF you think we can't defend ourselves as an armed nation, you are certainly no realist. It is not a "blankie" and that is why sheeple like you are trying to take them away...They scare you and you are to chicken to even be concerned with defending yourself. You are actually dumb enough to think that the cops are there to protect you. Keep being a victim and baaa when you need help.
If you think your AR-15 can stand up to the world's largest military, you are soundly mistaken.
If you think the world's best military will act against their feloow Americans you are sadly mistaken. Obviously you have never served.
OUr military will not attack us and as someone else stated it is obvious that you have never served. The police on the other hand have no compunctions about taking away your rights...
Your mighty US military can't even defeat 25,000 Taliban soldiers. Try fighting 80,000,000 armed US citizens with access to 300 million firearms, and billions of rounds of ammo. If I were a US soldier I would not follow orders to engage any US citizen unless I had a death wish.
He is gutting our military.
The only thing to fear is our own governement. And the wonder hy we are stocking up on ammo!
I'm stocking up on ammo to protect myself from traitors and seditionists wearing NRA hats on their heads and crosses around their necks..
Too many even..
Such talk from REAL Americans.... Too man traitors in here..
The very first military strike on US soil should absolutely trigger a civil war. By law, The US military cannot engage in any action on an American citizen on US soil. If you let this get by you.....you are in a very large amount of trouble
Posse Comitatus Anyone?
I am in. Sounds like some organization is in order. I never dreamed something like this would come from our capitol....yet,here it is
Ever heard of The Civil War but?
We Don't Need No STINKING Badges! – A Drone Strike in the Middle of the Night may SOUND Terrifying but the EFFECT is Nothing new. I Live in rural Washington State but I imagine in Cities what I have observed is even MORE common. Last year a Local Man was asleep in his Apartment Complex when he heard a loud noise and someone breaking into his house. He grabbed his gun by the Bed and fired. The SWAT Team Outside Returned AUTOMATIC WEAPONS Fire Through the Walls of his and his NEIGHBORS Apartments including those with SLEEPING CHILDREN. It was Later Learned they were at the WRONG Apartment Building.
Bummer. They aren't rich and we don't care.
Neat. The government can protect us from terrorists using drones right here on American soil. But, who's going to protect us from the government?
No doubt Richard would be the first one to scream that the President wasn't keeping us safe! Lol.
The 2nd Amendment!
Terrorists like George Washington once was thought of.
You feel that way about Kalid Sheikh Mohamed?
The Gun industry and their republican slaves. Bushmasters anyone?
You're votes. We live in a developed stable democracy, not a third world country where guns literally roam the streets.
Some of the inner cities here in America certainly appear to be 3rd world with lots of guns roaming the streets. If guns aren't roaming the streets how are so many being killed in cities like Chicago?
Remember, local police forces are requesting drones for their use. So, don't just think it's the Feds. It's state and local police forces also. Also, government organizations such as Interior and state DNR's want to use drones for monitoring fire conditions and environmental conditions. Add to that, state transportation depts want to use drones also for traffic monitoring. Add drones for monitoring storms, tornados, hurricanes, etc.
I am sure there are legal uses for drones, killing our citizens without a trial is not one of them.
That is one scary SOB. It seems that our government is gearing up to fight Americans, not fight for Americans.
You don't think it could be used against terrorists? That didn't even enter your little mind?
Read your history, Hitler post was Germany. So are you a Muslim?
cosmotwom Get back to me when you can form a cogent question. Thanks.
No it should not be used against any American citizen. No where in the constintution does it say that the president has the right to kill citizens without a fair trail and this is our governments next step in it's war on it's citizens. The same ploy is being played out in this attempt to disarm us as well.
Seems that certain Americans (right wing militias, NRA... Texas) are gearing up to fight the democratically elected government so maybe it's prudent for the government to be prepared.
Trust me, they're not stupid enough to Hellfire missile Americans.
Remember the Weather Underground was a domestic terror organization, I wonder how Bill Ayers feels about this? Under this he could have been a target.
How Bill Ayers feels is irrelevant. If you live by the sword, you have at a minimum tacitly accepted to die by it. No?
The point I was making was that the President is a close friend of Bill Ayers (a former terrorist) so the way the president has a very subjective view of how a terrorist is defined...that should be a worry.
Doubtful, Eric and King Barack wouldn't hose a supporter.
that pic is photoshopped. Look at the shadows and lack of shadows.
Whether they get approved or not that is not going to stop the government from doing it anyways. Hell, they have been doing illegal activities for years and they get away with it because of who they are. Don't waste your time and the taxpayers time fighting over it. Just hurry up and get Obama out of office!
Yeah, hurry up! We want to get another Bush in office ASAP so we can be striped of our rights and invade countries without following any protocols of the Geneva Convention Accord. DERP!
what goes around comes around...
They charged a 3rd grader with being a terrorist for drawing pictures of guns... according to the law, they could just drone strike that child. Not saying they would... but this is bad.
You write anti-government things on forums... suddenly you're an enemy of the government and a target. Who's to say they won't kill you next time you're out in the mountains enjoying the day? Who's gonna know? The news report will just say "He was murdered by while getting robbed" or somesuch.
Bad, bad idea...
President Lincoln did EXACTLY what Holder said: "authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States."
So yes one possible use of such force is if some rebel group raided an Army and attacked the government. How large the Attack must be before the DoD and not the local police used I don't know. But the obvious example is the US Civi War.
They charged a 3rd grader with being a terrorist for drawing pictures of guns... according to the law, they could just drone strike that child. Not saying they would... but this is bad.
You write anti-government things on forums... suddenly you're an enemy of the government and a target. Who's to say they won't kill you next time you're out in the mountains enjoying the day? Who's gonna know? The news report will just say "He was murdered by while getting robbed" or somesuch.
Bad, bad idea... such a bad idea.
So you would tie the President's hands from taking out a terrorist if a drone were the only option based on that argument?
Pretty clear Washington has become Anti-American.
Let's paint a target on the top of Wayne LaPierre's head and do America a big favor.
No lets paint a target on lance's head instead.
Agreed that Lance is the real target, but not with drones.
Holder is a servant of the devil.
This reminds me of the Patriot Act passed under GW Bush. Anyone ever read it?
I did read it. Then I read it again after Obama approved of and expanded it.
This reminds me of the Patriot Act passed under GW Bush. Anyone ever read it? Also, drones can now be made the size of insects to pass through a very small opening.
Will the NRA fight laws prohibiting citizens from owning armed drones?
Are you not the least bit chilled by Holders statement? I'll bet if you are attacked from the air you'll be looking for someone with a weapon to protect YOU.
You honestly think you could be a target? Paranoid much?
Currently drone strikes are used outside of the US on "suspected" terrorist. Innocent people are suspected of things in the US all the time.
Gee, imagine that. A group of terrorists hiding out in an apartment complex in a major city, and the U.S. takes them out with a drone....along with a lot of other innocent people living in the apartment complex.
It is not necessary. If you focus on the Waco incident, a helicopter was adequate.
like in south Chicago and Detroit? makes sense..
It's OK with me as long as I'm not the target.
Not a problem. If you own a smart phone with GPS you will be an easy target.
Dont have one.
Hitler used the military too... without trial.
You know im not scared of these drones or the gooberment. I have a more powerful friend on my side....."Jesus." I hate to send a memo to the U.S. and the gooberment doesnt matter what technology you have "God" has said America's time will come and go. It doesnt matter what the U.S. gooberment has in contingency plans they dont have one big enough to tie God's hands. And this world and America time is coming to an end soon either the U.S. gooberment likes it or not. God has told us... All this stuff has to come to pass with weather changing, nation against nation, and famine and disease become the end of days. Sorry, U.S. gooberment even you cant stop this!
I also predict a lot of drones will be looking for terrorists hiding near Hugh Hefner's Playboy mansion or sneaking onto the shores of Florida's South Beach.
They are banning assault rifles because they don't want people shooting the drones down. Pistols are responsible for the vast majority of murders in Chicago each year and the Biden Approved Shotgun could take out a room full of school children much more effectively than an assault rifle. But they're not trying to ban the shotgun or the pistol. Once again, the bleeding heart liberals use backward logic and demagoguery to advance their secret agenda of converting the population into mindless slaves who are eternally dependent upon them, thus maintaining their position of power.
How do you shoot a drone down (with any rifle) which is 5 miles away ?
(Hell Fire missile max range)
Why bother shooting? They =still= haven't fixed the encryption control issues. Jam the puppy and watch the remote controlled plane faw down go boom. Hellfire is a laser follower. Know how easy those are to spoof? Unless they use a modulated pulse, any designator you can get at a gun show will confuse the seeker. Refractive plastic on the target will do the same; bounce the laser off at an angle. If you need to go really low tech, just start a very smoky fire. The designator won't accurately penetrate smoke. Or fog. Move to a moist valley and let Mother Nature obscure you at nights and part of the year. Drones are nifty tools that can easily be misused.....but they are just machines. And like any machine, they have vulnerabilities; some rather simple to exploit.
They're taking away assault rifles so we can't shoot down drones? After a really crappy day I needed some comic relief. Thanks for laugh!
Are you nuts? Use an AR15 on an aircraft? the problems with that is (1) the bulets do not go that far, the riffle lacks the requited range and (2) it is not early accuracy enough. The "kick" for the first round causes the second round to be un-aimed.
To shoot one down you'd need either an antiwar missile or a radar guided AA gun.
All Your Base Are Belong To Us...
You make a no sense, you big dumdum
How about you google that phrase if you don't get the joke, dumdum.
Why don't we use these to target the drug cartels in Mexico??
..cause they are trade partners..
The National Security Act of 1947, which created the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), explicitly forbade it from operating in a law-enforcement or internal security capacity. The Posse Comitatus Act also forbade the military from taking a role in domestic law enforcement. But what's an act of Congress compared to the whims of Emperor Obama?
Holder said it could be done in an extreme case: What if a group of americans joined a foreign party what has already declared war on the US?
Do not worry to much about Obama, HE at least did not start two useless wars like the guy before him. Obama's fault is not getting out fast enough.
So Iraq and Afghanistan were useless? They were dragged out but I guess the next time 3000 Americans are killed we shouldn't do anything right?
Good God! If we allow them to start using drones on US soil against US citizens, pretty soon everyong is a legitimate target based upon how loosely the definition of terrorist is applied.
Very bad idea.
That is for your own good!!!!! For the protection of the US citizens, remember?
Agreed ! Very, Very bad idea !
This isn't kill order on anyone. He's saying it's possible. Meaning a domestic terrorist if other options weren't viable. If that terrorist was in an urban area it would be impossible- but if holed up in in the wilderness quite feasible to locate and take him out quite effectively.
Define domestic terror.
I understand that it "isn't a kill order". However the very fact that it's even remotely possible is beyond scary. I don't know why people act nonchalant about this.
Without a trial, without due process, without any sense of justice? You actually approve of this. I think Holder needs to go if he thinks this could even be remotely possible.
David is right, what happened to the bill of rights and innocent until proven guilty? And let's not forget that drone strikes usually kill a good amount of innocent bystanders. Are we all going to have to start living with the fear that we may be near a target and we may become collateral damage? Are we going to have to worry about our children becoming collateral damage when they're at baseball practice or soccer practice?
i guess if they use drones and kids are collateral damage it will be the NRA's fault. The great part is i have "Jesus" on my side they can kill this body all they want....my soul is bought and paid for thru the blood of "Jesus." Remember there's something better waiting for us all than all this. Always remember that people God's in control not Odumbo or the U.S. gooberment. Yep, they can kill you but they cant kill your soul. For some reason the U.S. hasnt gotten the memo that God's already got a time and hr that the world and America will be destroyed it doesnt matter what technology they have.
I wont bother to read the article, I just want to know will the drone be a u.s. one?
good question.. what about non us drones vs us ones over our heads, how we can find it after..??
this makes sense...otherwise the Indian wars....the war against the "cowboys"...the spanishamerican war.....and the war against the confederacy would never happened...remember all those people were also born and were living within the borders of the USA and those were sanctioned killings and precedent setting....soon they should be used on canadian drug kingpins...
Anyone who thinks the govt doesn't have contingency plans that involve direct confrontation with American citizens are living on Hello Kitty Island. They always have, and they always will. The only difference is the technology. During Bush it was special ops to keep American's from running on the banks if a financial meltdown occurred – Today its unmanned drones. Nothing different but the technology.
Drones won't be used in the U.S. for the simple fact that drone missiles are very expensive. The FBI isn't going to want to spend $500k or more worth of missles at a rusted pickup truck in the U.S. When the Pentagon does the same thing in a foreign warzone it's considered normal. Can domestic policing department budgets handle it? I don't think so. Besides, collateral damage? If you accidentally blow up a school bus full of kids in Afghanistan, that's one thing. Doing it in the U.S. carries way harsher political consequences.
And just to clarify, I'm not saying kids in one country are worth more than another. I am just talking about the political realities.
How would this not be a clear violation of The Posse Comitatus Act?
Tom, you seem to forget that this administration does.not.care about the law.
Why do you think Homeland securty is buying 1 Billion rounds of ammo for.
This is a non-issue, except to those oddball citizens who view the government as "them" instead of "us".
Do you honestly think that politicians have our best interests at heart? Seriously?
If so I have some amazing oil to sell you. I will give you a great deal.
Yea, thank you for your statement. Now put your head back in the sand.
and wait for high tide...
The time may be rapidly approaching when we have to take up arms against the Federals in order to preserve any freedom we have left...
Were you to take up arms against the legally elected government of the US, you would be committing treason. Somewhat severe penalties for that kind of nonsense. You got a problem, run for office, vote for people with similar views, and if you don't win, put your guns away and STFU.
It's only considered treason if you lose.
When Dear Leader decides to have the DOJ start labeling his political enemies as "Potential Domestic Terrorists" and then talks about using drones. Taking up arms may be your only defense.
DC - You had better watch your back if I am about !
I will NOT support insurrection.
King George had his loyalists in the Colonies during the Revolutionary War too. Think about that.
Exactly why I think they want to take away guns that we might be able to protect ourselves or defend our rights with.
Roaming bands of vandals going from neighborhood to neighborhood during an infrastructural terrorist attack – A couple of hell-fires would not hurt my feelings one bit. Don't like Holder, but he's correct that contingencies need to be available.
If Bush was proposing this the looney libs would be protesting in the streets. Rachael Maddow would be on a tyrade for weeks....but wait, it's Obama and his clowns so...give ANOTHER pass to the clown-in-chief.
And they want to ban assault rifles, why? I think I may go buy a couple,, if I can find any.
Have fun stroking your weapon tonite loser.. You should be on your knee's thanking President Obama. If it wasn't for him, the gun industry wouldn't be prospering the way they are today. Employee's working two shifts, making bank with overtime. As for the ban, big deal, there's ton's of assault weapons out there on the secondary market for you to buy. After the ban takes affect, the prices will skyrocket... Sounds like a nice profit for someone. Get on your kness republikkkans, Obama is creating jobs and increasing values on weapons...and you're all still whinning away......
I guess the drones will replace the black helicopters…
Not surprising since this is how they killed Randy Weaver's wife.
Vicki Weaver was killed by an FBI sniper on the ground, not by a drone in the sky.
Obama voters you own this. Bush was only the tip of the iceberg.
OK then bush fan you own TSA, Homeland, Fake wars, etc.
Yeah. We all asked for it. Now the President thinks he can defend us against terrorists inside the US instead of just walking up to them and playing a game of pity-pat. Imagine the nerve.
We own what? The sure knowledge that our government will protect us from all enemies, foreign AND domestic? I'm happy to "own" that!
I will own it too hogarth, so many anti american malcontents these days..
Keep drinkin the Kool-Aid.
Funny how all the right-wing pundits said Bush and Cheney were "keeping us safe" when they authorized the use of military force to shoot down civilian aircraft (and left it as a standing order) that were even SUSPECTED of being hijacked after 9/11. Look at all the milita nutjobs that have been preparing for the end of the world (government, nuclear strike, zombies- all equally likely as far as most members of the Tea Party are concerned) and have set up compounds. A drone strike when one of them goes too far makes a lot more sense than letting them kill members of law enforcement before they all drink Kool-Aid and hitch a ride on a passing comet.
Please tell me what process is used to determine when it goes too far?
These fools think that means you support Bush haha
Obama is as scary or scarier than Bush. Outside of a military attack within the US, there is no reason to ever use an anti-tank missile here. At least on 9/11 the reaction (that never happened) was an interception on a known threat in the middle of an actual attack. The police don't have F-15's.
This had absolutely nothing to do with drones.... lol
OMG. All this debate over whether our government has a right to wage war against our nation's enemies or not. Common sense has become obsolete in the U.S.
If they are actively fighting and working against the U.S. to support global terrorism– they are the enemy. Period.
Obama and his friends are so honest and responsible. I'm sure they will only use drone strikes against anyone who doesn't subscribe to their agenda.
You've got a rash on your forehead from your tin foil hat.
Unfortunately we are at war. Wars are messy things.
I'm posting this because I want to sound intelligent and of the highest moral character.
Oh yeah, I can see that's working for ya.
Lets see, the Justice dept uses the FBI inside the USA....The President uses the CIA outside the USA...Got that, the CIA
works OUTSIDE the borders of the USA
Since "Central Intelligence Agency" does not have the word "outside" in it– I am not sure why you make this false distinction.
If you can, look it up ....they each have their assigned places...
Pretty sure it's simply illegal for the CIA to operate inside the USA.
That said, they're a bunch of spies. Pretty much all of what they do is illegal where they do it, so I don't see why this particular illegality would hinder them much.
How cute of you to believe that.
I thought 1984 by George Orwell was a book of fiction, unfortunately it is regrettably almost time to put George Orwell's 1984 in the non-fiction category.
your panties are all bunched up and it's cutting off the circulation to your brain.
Commies belong in North Korea Marcom
" the CIA has no such authority"
HA HA HA.
Whoa there now....they can only drone white guys. Black and brown are exempted by Mr Holder on the grounds that
they are in a minority group...See, that is why HE is the Attorney General and we don't know nutin !! Ask Chris Matthews and he will tell you that this is true.
Hey Alf what's the color you see all around you? According to me it is Multi Colored and all People need to live together. Period.
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty and being tried by a jury of your peers as denoted in the bill of rights? Maybe King Obama does not consider this as part of his laws
King Obama, his majesty from Kenya, has only to adhere to the articles of the Constatution that he approves of !
And the losers troll on...
Aaahhh, yeah, and your point? He's Muslim, not born in the U.S., not a U.S. citizen, not a Christian, he stole the last election, he hates America, and yet, the people of the U.S. reelected him President. Now, what do ya make of that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes Front Gate. Once a Muslim always a Muslim. Has was raised as a Muslim when he was younger and there is no such thing as a convert to another religion in Islam.
Kenya ha? Could you be any more of any idiot? No wonder people are leaving your party like the plague. Thanks for the laugh losers.. Are you in 8th grade or ninth?
Those protections are only for foreign combatants.
Honestly, Both these do dumbos belong in jail !
I just have to point out that these two statements:
"Drone strike against Americans in the US possible"
"of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States."
are NOT. EVEN. REMOTELY. the same thing. You idiots.
Obama would be wise to drone the west side of Chicago.......
In context.... Yes, that's what that meant.
Is it possible that the "Drone strike against Americans in the US possible" is based on the assumption that foreign nationals could launch "drones" from offshore platforms anywhere along the N.A. coastline, both shores.....
"of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States." so given the above scenerio, any Pres. not just this one might be compelled to use "lethal force"....
HOLDERS AN IDIOT AND SO ARE MOST WHO ABUSE THEIR APPOINTED OFFICES...PEARLAND, TEXAS WAS ON THEIR HITLIST SUNDAY 3/3/2013 ...WHY WOULD ANY ONE FLY A DRONE OVER A SOFTBALL PARK FULL OF KIDS....PEDAFILES THAT'S WHY...
You've forfeit your right to comment on world affairs until you learn to spell pedophile.
Hey Trent... who made you the guardian of Free Speech?
Hey Zoie... Free Speech ain't the same as correct spelling. Why can't the righties get that right?
I haven't met a rightie yet that could spell or is worth a schit....
The spelling is so all the words don't look alike.
Funny how people start attacking spelling to cover for their crony friends.
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