UK trial reveals new al Qaeda strategy to hit West
By Paul Cruickshank
The trial of three Birmingham men convicted Thursday of plotting to launch a "catastrophic" suicide bombing attack in the United Kingdom revealed that al Qaeda has developed a new strategy to target the West.
The new strategy involves a teacher-training approach in which a select few Western operatives are taught bombmaking and other aspects of terrorist tradecraft in the tribal areas of Pakistan and are then instructed to return back to the West to "spread the knowledge" to a larger body of Islamist extremists keen on launching attacks.
The new approach is a response to the growing toll of drone strikes which have made travel to the tribal areas increasingly perilous for Western recruits and significantly diminished al Qaeda's ability to orchestrate terrorist plots from the region.
The trial revealed that terrorist groups in Pakistan are actively dissuading Western militants from making the trip.
Two of those convicted Thursday - Irfan Naseer and Irfan Khalid - received 40 days of terrorist training in the tribal areas of Pakistan in the spring of 2011, mostly inside houses in the valleys of Waziristan.
In conversations bugged by British police, the plotters described being handled by al Qaeda operatives and having attended a training camp run by Harakat al Mujahideen, a Pakistani terrorist group closely affiliated with al Qaeda.
The recordings revealed that like other Western militants before them, they were provided detailed instruction in the tricky and potentially hazardous methods to make bombs out of substances readily available in the West, and practiced detonating them. Their instructors included Arabs and Pakistanis.
They also were taught how to put poisons in face creams.
And their teachers emphasized they should put nails inside their bombs, to act as razor-sharp shrapnel.
Naseer, a pharmacy major and the plot's alleged ringleader, was heard recalling how one of their trainers had said the July 7, 2005, London bombers had missed an opportunity to kill more people by failing to put nails in their devices.
Naseer commented on how they were given so much information that they had accumulated 30-40 pages of notes.
They were told the smaller the cell they recruited the better, illustrating al Qaeda's move away from spectacular attacks on the 9/11 scale toward smaller strikes that have a better chance of getting through.
In the recordings played in court, Naseer said his cell should keep the numbers launching the attack in the United Kingdom to around half a dozen. The recordings, however, indicated the cell's plans grew increasingly ambitious with talk of launching an attack bigger than the 2005 London bombings.
The need for less ambitious attacks was previously stressed by two senior American al Qaeda operatives: al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and Adnan Shukrijumah, an operative believed to be still at large in Pakistan.
An internal al Qaeda strategy document, authored in around 2009, and recovered in 2011 from a Berlin operative, had called for a greater emphasis on low-cost low-tech attacks by Western militants, whom it said should be quickly trained in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
Teaching Westerners to teach back home
In Pakistan, Naseer and Khalid's al Qaeda handlers had a new "command" for them: go back and teach others.
Naseer is heard talking with an associate, keen on traveling to Pakistan, that he and Khalid wanted to stay in the United Kingdom to participate in the plot.
"AQ's main aim is... the knowledge that they give us, [they] want more and more people [to] have [the knowledge] in Europe. So they can start whacking [attacking] there, yeah, do you understand?
Analysts say that if al Qaeda manages to put into practice their new teacher training model, it will raise alarm bells with Western security services because it would reduce the need for Western militants to travel overseas for terrorist training.
"This seems to be a product of al Qaeda's desperation to try to get an attack through, but it's a potentially scary development," Raffaello Pantucci, a senior fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, who closely followed the trial, told CNN.
While Islamists militants have access to many bombmaking recipes online, analysts say they often contain potentially fatal errors and have been seen by militants as a poor substitute to hands-on training by an instructor schooled in the art of bombmaking.
Security services fear the presence of such instructors on Western soil could be a game changer.
Message from al Qaeda: Stay Put
The Birmingham case revealed that al Qaeda had begun actively dissuading recruits from going to Pakistan.
"They told me don't send anyone [more to us]," plot ringleader Naseer said in one of the recordings.
In a June 2011 video "You are Only Responsible for Yourself," released around the same time the Birmingham duo trained in Pakistan, al Qaeda's leadership in Pakistan had urged Western militants to stay home to launch attacks.
Khalid, in one conversation recorded by British police, pointed out that Inspire magazine - the online English publication of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen - had the same advice: "we don't want people to be traveling cos it's getting risky." In 2011 Samir Khan, an American member of the group, urged followers to launch attacks in the West rather than travellng to Yemen.
Naseer and Khalid painted a dim picture of the tribal areas of Pakistan in their attempt to stop their associate from traveling there.
"[Waziristan] hasn't got no more camps now... the brothers used to be in the mountains [but] the drones just get them straight away, they just bomb the camps, so ... they taught us inside houses," Naseer is heard telling the associate in the recordings played in court.
He described how he had had to cower for several hours in 100-degree heat when a drone circled above. "That day was bad ... it's a nasty situation to be in, man," chipped in Khalid.
Khalid described how the drones restricted movement for fighters in the region: "They were restricted to one place most of the time: One place to eat, sleep, go to toilet and do everything."
Terror training on UK soil
Naseer and Khalid implemented the new al Qaeda strategy when they returned to the United Kingdom. Just days before their arrest on September 18, 2011, Naseer provided Ashik Ali, the third Birmingham man convicted Thursday, with hands-on instruction in how to make explosives.
According to expert witnesses consulted in the trial, Naseer had acquired the correct knowledge to teach recruits how to make viable bombs. The recordings suggested their planned attacks were still months away.
In one of the bugged conversations, Naseer is heard suggesting that the restrictions on training in Pakistan meant it was just as effective training recruits in the West.
"[In the tribal areas] you get bit of an experience in fighting - but you know the rest of the stuff that could be taught - they taught us in a room."
At one point, Naseer warned Ali that if he hit or rubbed the explosives in a certain way it could explode and potentially kill him; just one of the many lessons he passed on from his training in Waziristan.
In the days before their arrest, Naseer experimented and tinkered with potential bombmaking chemicals in a Birmingham apartment, including the chemicals inside sports injury cold packs. The recordings revealed that his instructors in Pakistan had taught him that ammonium nitrate- – a potentially high powered explosive - could be extracted from such packs, demonstrating al Qaeda's continued inventiveness.
Pantucci told CNN the Birmingham case illustrated that despite intensified drone strikes in Pakistan, Western militants were still finding ways to connect with al Qaeda in the region, providing the terrorist groups opportunities to attack the West.
He said al Qaeda's new emphasis on training Westerners to in turn provide terrorist instruction in the West reflected the group's looser control over plots than just a few years ago.
Unlike the 7/7 bombers, and other recent terrorist conspiracies like a plot to attack Manchester in 2009, the Birmingham plotters do not appear to have been in touch with their handlers in Pakistan after returning to the United Kingdom.
Pantucci says the pressures on al Qaeda have resulted in a shift toward a new model of "fire and forget."
The March 2012 Toulouse terrorist shootings provided further evidence of looser control by al Qaeda of terrorist plots in the West. The perpetrator of the attack - Mohammed Merah - was encouraged by the group to return to France to launch an attack during a short stay in the tribal areas of Pakistan in September 2011 but planned every aspect of the operation himself, including which targets to strike.
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They are not going to fall for this phishing tactic by the FBI. They have already been doing sting operations to those whom the FBI have been monitoring by embedding themselves in communities like Dearborn and Detroit Michigan amongst Arabs by sending out feelers to those sympathetic to the movement. Everyone is skeptical of everyone and no one is talking. It is laying in wait though, the FBI have simply forced it deeper underground.
Good job, FBI. Aim for putting them 6 feet underground.
Western govt have a lot to answer. why are they allowing these moslem animals come here??? One look an one can know they are terrorists. they should set their scary beards on FIRE.
You are a heartless infidel. Countless lives of lice could be lost in the beard fire. You have no compassion.
Wow Mohammed. That's quite a statement coming from your kind. LOL. Any more good jokes? Please I am all ears!
Western nations should bar all travel from Middle East (and SE Asia, Africa) into their countries. Isolate the swine, embargo them to the point they go back to trading goats and pimping sheep. Middle East countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Kuwait) who claim to be against such acts, could easily infiltrate the vermin's lairs and eradicate the world of these sick people. Their silence and pacifistic approach only enables the terrorists. Further, in combat and imprisonment, these dregs of the world should not be afforded the kindness shown a dog. Guantanamo is a palace and should reflect more a Turkish prison (see Midnight Express) where the rats are treated like the vile beast they are. Westerners cannot continue to fight them with kindness. When Westerners are more ruthless than the terrorists, then the terrorism will stop. When Israel is attacked, they determine who is the culprit and not only address the matter with him/her, but also with the culprit's family. When Westerners and our so-called allies in the Middle East (i.e., Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, etc) do the same, and even escalate it to addressing the matter with whole villages, we can eradicate the world of these sick swine (same tack must be undertaken in Malaysia, Indonesia, Africa (Somalia, Lybia, Mali, . . .) etc).
Awe , Religion, it's all in how YOU preach it.
I'll take drone shots anyday over sending our young people over there to be used for target practice.
WAR, the rich man's answer to poverty.
Despite the USA's pro-war policies poverty is still growing in your country.
WAR....the governments way to #1 gain wealth through the conquered nations natural resources,#2 keep the people at home focused off of national crisis and more on outside threats,#3 take away the rights of the people,all in the name of 'security' and #4 bring nations together into a one world government while simultaneously taking out the governments who oppose it......WAR
Attention all Tea Party Patriots !! Procede to nearest bus station and locate the public restroom. Stick head in toilet. Flush. Voila !! Instant Sarah Palin hair do.
And don't forget to tap your toe against the guys foot in the next stall. thank You Sen. Larry Craig.
Obama must be so proud of his Muslim brotherhood buddies.
You demonstrate just how stupid an idiot can be.
Thank you, Just Me. You ignorant Tea Partiers are quite good at that and that's why we have so many stupid, gung ho, pro-war comments on this website!!!
George P ; I think you missed my point. The idiot I was refering to is " Obama Lies" .
I think that George replied to you in error.
After checking some of George's later posts, it appears that he belongs to the wing nuts from the extreme left, to whom Obama is no different that W. These are the same twits that ensure the election of the same T party radicals that they are criticizing. They sulked and stayed home because Obama wasn't liberal enough during the 2010 midterms, and will probably do the same in the 2014 midterms.
And the idiot of the day award goes to ^
Is that why he keeps on butchering so many of them with those ungodly drones of his? Obama must think that it feels awfully good to be a war criminal! This clown needs to be prosecuted at the I.C.C. but won't, unfortunately!!!
Hey moron,
If Obama was a Muslim, would he have quadrupled the drone attacks against Muslims? Would he have had Bin Laden killed? Would he have killed other terrorists? What would he have to do for you to give him credit? What if he let the Saudi roytal family leave the day after the 9/11 attacks? Gee which president did that?
I'm not one of the people claiming he is but uh, Muslims are well known for their idea of recreation being killing fellow Muslims. So yes, he would.
Your family must be so proud to produce such a complete idiot as yourself to the world. Have you tried extracting you head from your ass? The lack of oxygen definitely has given you massive brain damage.
Who do the people in the right-wing news media think that they're fooling? Unfortunately, that seems to be a great deal of people here. In reality, Al Qaeda has all it can do today just to survive. What is ludicrous here is that even after the brutal murder of the purported Ussama bin Laden, the right-wing media is still using Al Qaeda to scare the public!
Cnn is the most liberal news source besides MSNBC in the country. What are you smoking?
@Quigley - You are right. The media should be punished just like how it is done in Pakistan. Sharia Law is very specific about the treatment of journalists. Pakistan has set an excellent example of how journalists in the media should be treated. For example, Saleem Shahzad, Hayatullah Khan, and Allah Noor were treated as compassionately in Pakistan as Qran would allow.
There are many similarities between al Qaeda and the Tea Party. One notable difference however, is that members of al Qaeda do not drink Everclear out of mason jars. Nor do they live in trailer parks.
Stop killing each other..................
Correction; Stop killing us and JUST kill each other.
I don't get it. What does al Qaeda think they are going to accomplish? Change the direction of countries like the US and the UK by blowing up bombs and killing innocent people?
These morons must be dumber than dirt, and I guess if we were also, we might be able to see what they see.
Al Qaeda morons, this message is for you, but unfortunately, I doubt you have the intelligence or ability to read and comprehend the message.
Why does AQ put poisons in facial creams? I thought the cosmetic manufacturing companies already do that...
Thanks to this article, I'm going to save a bundle on my wife's face cream expenditures.
Now, some guys are going to take a real close look at their wives and then go buy them some face cream.
ridiculous. always the same kind of news, the same kind of fear... if you are to do TV and post some news, get some credibility because we need to trust a source of information. you are loosing everything by obviously trying to pick a side and showing "muslim are bad and terrorist" or even "pakistan and afghanistan and anything from middle east is only mountains, sand, bombs and corrupted women". Its like get over yourself.. you're making this population dumb and one day the will realize because access to internet is for everyone. too bad you'll loose people over biased information.
@Algeria - Pakistan is a training ground for terrorists from all around the world. Any Muslim who spends more than a week in Pakistan is routinely tagged for surveillance. This strategy proved to be very wise and effective since these two Muslims were caught after they returned from their training in Pakistan. What are you complaining about? Are you upset because your plans were disrupted by cops prematurely?
Wait, Teaching crazies how to make bombs, then sending them to the US to teach other crazies how to make bombs, with the intent of blowing themselves up, is thier "new plan" to get us? I was always under the assumption that it was exactly what they were already doing, and have been for years. So, um, Good Job on figuring that one out.
I shall not buy that. There is no old or new strategy by Al Qaida. It is all conspiracy to harass our those Western Muslim Brothers who newly embrace Islam and follow the spirit of Islam. 'Allah' be with them.
and you are either blind or a m0r0n or both...I suspect both.
nonsense
rag heads
That is so rude. That's a towel, not a rag. Sometimes table cloth. But never a rag, you insolent infidel.
What ever it started out to be,after its been on an idiots head, it's a rag.
We've slaughtered so many muslims, supported Israeli state terrorism, and even Alqaeda when it suits us, we can't be surprised when a few want payback.
alot more to do
Old strategy of Al Qaeda could not save Bin Laden and most of his goons. Now, the new and improved western strategy of using drones and surveillance has degraded the remaining Al Qaeda down to a level of clowns who blow up their underpants for everyone's entertainment.
+1 That is what I take from this article...not the scaremongering of the press...but that this strategy of drones and hitting them where they train and live is working.
When, after 9/11? After the Lebanon baracks were blown up? After the USS Cole was blown up? Israeli terrorism? Like when Muslims killed an Israeli women who was 8 months pregnant and her 3 children all under 10 years old? When a Muslim took the butt of his rifle and literally smashed the brains out of a 4 year old Israeli girl? When these and other Muslim animals get a hero's welcome after doing these brave things?
Total hypocrisy. The UK and US don't have a problem with Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks in Syria.
Says who? We designated the main perpetrator of suicide bombings, Al Nusrah, as a terrorist organization. Nobody here is cheering them on.
props
Where did you get that load of BS from?
Quit making up garbage and trying to pass it off as truth.
People in the US were saddened to hear of these events.. as we went through them ourselves. The UK and Spain supported us after 9/11 and we did the same.
Now crawl back into your cave.
I'm amazed that a bunch of primitive camel heads who following the 1000+ year old teachings of a dead pedophile know how to build a bomb.
Just look at their 'mugs'. No wonder they hate women. They have never had one.
When my now teen-aged son was eight, he heard on TV about "clever Islamists" making bombs. He said, "My cousin I I could do that in about a half hour!" His cousin was six. That's how easy it is: kids can make them.
Hey, they do it for the greater good, doesn't everyone understand? Just look at them, they love their kids and family, don't you understand that by plotting to kill people in the west, that they are really better?
This is what happens with the second Amendment. Everything is put out in the open on internet and other media, so that babies can make bombs in their homes. I myself had this experience when two eleven year kids in my neighborhood went on the internet and made a very small chemical bomb. Now with this knowledge, were the kids to go on experimenting, they can eventually build a fully functional bomb capable of taking down a buildings!
That is a kind of experiment only Muslim kid would do. Muslim kids do not need the internet bomb recipes. Four different recipes of bomb are mentioned in Qran – one for each season. Qran teaches how to make a Kosher bomb from scratch.
Who believes news stories like this swill? You don't need to travel to Pakistan to get an education in rudimentary bo mb making!!! It's called the internet, this is just swill to sell drones. So we're supposed to be scared of everything, pishaw.
In the article it explains that they tried the internet recipe approach, and it wasn't working, because the recipes had too many flaws, and hands-on instruction was required. And given how careful you have to be when handling explosives, and how dangerous it is for a novice, I'm not surprised.
In the article it explains that they tried the internet recipe approach, and it wasn't working. The recipes had too many flaws, and hands-on instruction was required. And given how careful you have to be when handling explosives, and how dangerous it is for a novice, I'm not surprised.
When I make myself known, the numbers killed by terrorists and governments, will make you long for the 'good ol' days'....The End Is Near....
Haha...you must be extra bored tonight
Anti Christ just go home. Go to Hell.
Hypocricy this world and it's sytem is over flowing with it like diarea from a dogs rear killing yourself for a false God of the moon. Their own book says suicide is bad and yet they say you di it to get to heaven Hypocricy. False Christians believe you become a spirit after you die and though the bible says this is only for a small few who will rule with Jesus as co rulers you know the ones that partake in the bread and whine on his memorial and not the ones in the false Christians where everyone partakes. The bible specificallys says when a man dies his thoughts disappear and he no longer has pains or wages.because the memory of him is no more it also says when a man dies his thoughts return from the ground from whence he came hypocrIcy. Stop being misled read your bible know the truth stop saying God doesn't exist because he does I know I didn't come from a monkey and I know the perfection of our universe didn't come by accident men are imperfect and don't have the answers.
Your a monkey and Jesus is dead....get over it.
Mr. Hollywood
Attacking or being in other counties does not solve anything. The best prevention is to close all foreign bases and bring the troops home. This story is just trying to sell flying robots.
Attacking or being in other counties does not solve anything. The best prevention is to close all foreign bases and bring the troops home. This story is just trying to sell flying robots.
P.S: If you guys are so worried about it go to http://www.youtube.com on that site you can find lessions on anything.
India, you got this one? We need a break. Go take over. We'll look the other way while you do what you need to do.
Idiot!!
LOL!! Don't worry about what Sac man says. I thought that was awesome.
Better not mothball the drones just yet. Strap a few on the westerners going over for training.
They rape their own sister-INCEST, they molest 5 yrs child-MOLESTER...the wildest and scariest animals in the world.They are turning this better world into NUT OR BULL BALLS world, trying to turn into haunting cemetry
نعم منح الله لنا إذن أن تمارس معه الجنس الأخوات والإخوة. انها في الكتاب المقدس "القرآن الكريم".
Get a life –
في نهاية المطاف، يمكنك كذلك لا يعاقب للغضب الخاص بك، يمكنك كذلك يعاقب بالغضب الخاص بك!
It might be in the Koran, but it's definitely NOT in the Bible. Tell us where it is in the Bible. Don't make wild, uneducated statements, you only prove that what you say is not credible and embarrass yourself!
you are r3t@rd3d get back on your goat and go back to whatever dung heap you came from.
واللعنة الجمال فضلا
New strategy? Not. Islamist nuts have been at it for the past 1400 years. Kill fellow Muslims but most importantly kill the infidel in the the name of a book of fiction. Look at the picture above. These cavemen all look alike.....
According to US govt. agency, 70 percent of terrorist murders last year world-wide were by Sunni Muslims against Shiite Muslims. The Muslims should be more worried about terrorists than non-Muslims!
Muslims are the hellish and stinky skunk in the world
You don't need stoop that low – Muslims in general are ok they are not all as you say. Join the debate but don't spit venom no need to do that.
On the contrary Most Muslims are nuts, killers, murderers, rapists etc. etc.
Just looks at the Muslim world see the killing, rapes, murders...
Some facts... About 11 Million Muslims were killed since WW2.. about 10.5M were killed by Muslims and as you know this number grows every minute.
Muslims are either garbage or lazy enough to LET the extremists put the face on Islam.
Islam has contributed NOTHING good to modern society.
I thought Al Qaeda was all but eliminated? I mean that is what we were told. We were told that they were reduced to minor factions scattered about. Sounds to be a bit more organized than we were led to believe.
Yes, you are right. It is very organized where these two pious believers with facial hair are going. They will do very important work all day in there - in a very organized manner. Warden wants them to clean toilets in the morning and then mop the floor later for the rest of their highly organized lives.
It is no great feat to be organized. The Nazis were organized. Look how well things turned out for them. Al-Qaeda is just one of many Muslim terrorist groups. Put them in the same room and they will soon turn on each other. Such is the paranoia of their theology. Sad, stupid, but true.
no more in and out... you return to see the old ancestors, you stay, period. NO in and out period.
New strategy? Not. Islamist nuts have been at it for the past 1400 years. Kill fellow Muslims but most importantly kill the infidel in the the name of a book of fiction. Look at the picture above. These cavemen all look alike.....
@Alfredo - Those two were voted the most attractive men in the Jihadi magazine called "Inspire". Many Muslim women wear very low cut burqa to seduce those two.
Ammonium Nitrate...hey, thanks for that CNN I'll just go ahead now and pick some of those pacs up at my local Champs store and be on my way to the grand cathedral or the washington monument or...CNN New York and go make an example of some one... um... don't you think it may be a little unwise to publish that intel?
Doesn't matter, violent fundamentalists already know.
So the answer is to make it easier for them? O.o Sorry,still cloudy on the logic for that one
Incidentally, the goal, as expressed herein seems to be to provide opportunity and means, even if the motive already existed within the individuals being recruited.
@JamesFoley - You silly infidel, you have never read Qran. There are four different Ammonium Nitrate in Qran - one for each season. CNN recipe is not so good. Qran teaches you how to make Kosher Ammonium Nitrate from scratch.
@NotMohammed.... your Borat was better, and more intelligent
Read about the Oklahoma bombings and you will have all the info that you need to make ANFO bombs. Or if you get out into rural arears, just ask any farmer.
@JohnWalt - A true Muslim never has to ask anyone for Ammonium Nitrate recipe. Why ask anyone when you can easily find the best recipes for explosives in the Handbook of Islam.
CNN sounds more like Pravda every day...
Fox News sounds more and more like a jonestown get together every day
Why is it anytime that someone points out the disappointment that is CNN, some st00ge feels the need to chime in about Fox. Is there a contest between the two? Nope. Just very strange people out there.
Honestly if you think outlawing a muslim or islamic religions is going to change anything than YOU need the reality check!! If a religion gets outlawed than it just goes underground and not all musilms or islam are extremists and didnt ou
Not all Muslims a terrorist – yes you are right however Islam is not a religion but a political system. Therefore if you are a muslim and you don't take a stand against the rotten part of the political party then you are approving terrorism to prompt your form of politics.
ALL religions are political systems.
@Nightstar - Seems like a drone got you before you could complete your sentence. You will not get all 72 virgins since you did not get to complete your shift. To be fair, Allah will only give you 6 year old virgins.
Another thing that this story makes obvious: Drones work well.
@lewtwo - You can say that 4700 times. And I will enjoy listening to you each time you say that.
Hugs and kisses, yo. I give you, the Qu'ran.
Sura 2; Verse 216: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Sura 8; Verse 65: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
Sura 8; Verse 66: Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
Sura 8; Verse 67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sura 9; Verse 5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9; Verse 29: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Sura 9; Verse 123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Sura 47; Verse 4: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
I dunno, is it just me? Or is it just a bit bloodthirsty, for instance, that Mohammed ordered the mass executions by beheading of the 600 jews of Banu Qurayza, captives in his care?
By all means, keep the eyes closed. It's so much more, uh, "peaceful" this way.
I follow every quote in the bible, that's why I'm collecting foreskins for my fiance's father
good for you sir.Way to keep to the code 😉
May I ask how many do you have?
You sir are a dick of the first degree
Watch the muslims duck and dive around that lot.
Islam was founded by a man who plagiarizers the holy books of other religions and wrote a book called the quran and said it was from Allah. The followers of the man were inspired by this book because it gave them power. Over time the system was spread throughout the middle east and further afield. The followers of the book had all the authority from this man to do what they want to spread his ideas of conquest. If you did not do what this man wanted you were killed. To this day if you follow this man and his Allah then you must obey what is in the book. So the Islam is based on a political system developed over 600 years ago and spread by intimidation. One cannot leave the political system without threat to your life. One cannot say anything against the book you might be killed. Its a horrid system once you are in you cannot get out. Its a hate system and cannot coexist anywhere in the world except in the middle East.
You do realize that "Allah" is the word for GOD in Arabic? It's the same as Spanish people saying "Dios" or "Dieu" in French. Every time you say something nasty about the word Allah, you are cursing God. Stop being such ignorant morons. And for our friend who always posts verses from the Quran he finds on some redneck website, way to post something out of context.
If you believe in magic, and I know you do, you'll always have a friend wearing big red shoes.
Anybody want to read a book about about another wizard?
Then we can argue about it! What fun what fun!
zm123 How can you call your Allah God he is not! Why would you a Muslim worship Allah and then kill in the name of Allah. I draw your attention to many "Allah Akabrs" as Muslims kill their own and others. what an awful Allah he must be to command his followers to kill and murder. So don't ever compare the God I know as Allah because he is not. The world would be better of if the Muslims rewrote the text of the Quran and removed all the hate. After 600 years its due for a rewrite.
UK economy down rated and more terrorism including Sharia law in London. lol
I don't meant to laugh but why are the Whites so naive and that too I am saying it in a polite way, lol. I just can't help laughing
Another sad misguided ignorant post from a sad misguided ignorant person.
Time to make an example of these hajjiis ......pickle those two lads from birgimham in alcohol , stick a pork chop in their mouths and hang them from the nearest mosque, that should make them think twice about blowing innocent men, women and children up.
Its the likes of you who are the radical muslim and give Islam a bad name.
FINALLY... A muslim speaks out against a crappy muslim.
I am not a Muslim I am a normal person sorry – I just dislike how a religion such as Islam has been taken over by crazy people who want to murder as many people who don't believe in the Allah.
Its a religion based on a dislike of anyone who is not one of them and some are killed in the name of Allah. It must be a great system as there's plenty of followers, mind you they are to scared to leave the system cause they will be killed ... its in the quran! opps they are going to tell me I haven't got the right translation into English and I have to read it in Aramaic to get the TRUE hidden meaning 🙂
You can just imagine the paranoid head trip dope smoking stoner terrorists must go on, knowing that drones are circling above them waiting for a single glimpse through a window, off a mirror, from their own shadow or a dog barking at them.
I guess their tactic of importing terrorists from other countries to come to train with them isn't working out so well as drones seem to follow them to school. Back in the day we worried about terrorists coming to their aid, now Al Qaeda is worried about it. The Drone strikes that take out the human shields and family members these cowards hide behind seem to be the most effective of all.
Anyone think we should have been guarding our borders better now that we know this? Hmmmmm?
Maybe if they weren't so closed minded they could come up with something original...
Islam depends on the West for its survival. Leave them alone and they'll be finishing off each other ( refer: Syria)
This religion of Evil (Islam) must be stamped out! I think all the world leaders are coming to realize this.
I just hope they act before its too late
Statements like yours fan the flames of hate. How about we take the most extreme 10% of every religion and have them fight to the death on pay per view? Seems fair to me. Are you a 10 percenter?
Unfortunately 10 percent of Islam may be the real soldiers but more than 90 percent of Islam supports their activities either via apathy or actively supporting terrorism. if the religion was truly peaceful they would stamp these people out of they're ranks.
"Statements like yours fan the flames of hate." Please pay attention. A statement like yours shows that you are not aware of the caliber of disaster of the hate already propagated by muslim extremists. You cannot negotiate with people who's goal is not an end but the end is terrorism.
@BKKGuy "more than 90 percent of Islam supports their activities either via apathy or actively supporting terrorism". That's a false and utterly ridiculous statistic. May I ask what information you have to back it up? As someone who spends months on end in Turkey, Egypt, and Yemen each year and with the locals of each country during those months, I find that statement to be absurd to the point of reckless. Your Islamaphobic viewpoint is the kind that makes this matter worse and pushes the West towards alarmist approaches towards a religion and the people who practice it who condemn the actions of these small but vocal extremists.
Hmm. No, I'm pretty sure it's stuff like this that fans hate. You know, the sacred scripts that say stuff like:
Sura 2; Verse 216: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Sura 8; Verse 65: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
Sura 8; Verse 66: Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
Sura 8; Verse 67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sura 9; Verse 5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9; Verse 29: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Sura 9; Verse 123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Sura 47; Verse 4: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
I dunno, is it just me? Or is it just a bit bloodthirsty, for instance, that Mohammed ordered the mass executions by beheading of the 600 jews of Banu Qurayza, captives in his care?
By all means, keep the eyes closed. It's so much more, uh, "peaceful" this way.
So you plan to kill a billion people because of a few thousand crazies? Bad news for Christians since that religion also has a few thousand crazies making the other billion look bad.
Better idea, no religion at all.
I didn't say anything about killing. just ban the religion or at least classify it as a Cult to start. It certainly contains all the earmarks of a cult.
All religous fanatics are scary......extemism is the problem, any group that is arrogant enought to believe they are the anser to all the worlds problems is a worry because clearly they are deluded. That is why for he most part the population of Afghanistan support or at least tolerate the NATO presence because they didn't want to live under those screaming nutbags either.
And this is based on your worldly knowledge and of the muslims you know personally right? More likely what your extreme christian, jewish, or conservative pundit leadership tells you how to think.
Actually I'm an athiest smartguy. lol.
psst....atheist socialists have an issue with "smite them on their necks" kind of stuff, too. Don't say anything – it might actually cause the blinders to fall off.
"Eh" are you saying all aethiests are socialists?
Obviously Gager does not understand that by stating that wiping out over 1.5 billion people worldwide is what world leaders are realizing is the solution would fan the flames of hate makes him/her even more uninormed than BKK.
It's the particular brand of idiocy you're spewing in these comments that make atheists look like ignorant suckers, and as a fellow atheist: shut the hell up. You're talking out of your ass on subjects you know nothing about. "more than 90 percent of Islam supports their activities either via apathy or actively supporting terrorism"? GTFO, that's an absurdly inaccurate statistic you pulled out of your ass. Your opinions, as vocalized here, make you little more than a clueless troll. DIAF.
Are you seriously trying to claim 90% of Islam supports terrorism?
Oh Great another Crusade....Where do I sign up 😉
WHAT! You mean to say after sending our young people into Iraq, Afgahnistan, al Qaeda is still not defeated! Please don't say all those fine young soldiers got killed for nothing. Please don't say all those soldiers lost arms and legs for nothing. Even if it's true, don't say it.
I suppose we should just stay out of their way? Not do anything? You offend reason.
Good for them! somebody needs to stand up against the bullying West, who only cares about oil in the region and not human rights.
You're right thugvon. Hey I have an idea. Why don't we just drill our own oil! Or better still – we should stop driving gasoline vehicles altogether. You first.
News Flash! Most American oil is purchased from Canada and Russia. America just has to be in the Middle East to cause instabilities in the commodities market just help out the oil companies to jack up the price.
9/11 was such a heartwarming day!!
oh and I may finish, and 9/11 is now such a heart burning day!! Damn Americans and her allies have almost wiped us out from the world, we lost over 500,000 muslim brothers for our misadventure, wish 9/11 had never happened.
Oh well just like Castro(put missiles in his country as a fail safe against the CIA trying to murder him), The U.S. was trying to kill Bin Laden way before he committed any terrorist attacks. He was just giving a little payback back, each time the U.S. tried to murder him and failed. The U.S. should not have underestimated a billionaire with unlimited resources and a loyal following. Violence begets Violence.
Your boy is dead your organisation is decimated...get over it!
STOP. EVEN THE WALL HAVE EARS
Regards
United States of America
(and peaceful loving people of the west)
LOL, you should do standup comedy with that routine....Iraq? Hundreds of thousands dead for lies.
Because Al Queda and Taliban are poster children for human rights when they brutally attack women just for wanting to read a book? Sharia law is slavery, a tool for evil men to force their will on other humans.
If you don't like western act against Muslim, please go back to your Muslim country.
Will you still be singing their praises when a pipe bomb blows your limbs off while you are out shopping for tofu?
Strapping bombs to themselves is not exactly "standing up" to anything. You can't stand up if your body is in 80 pieces.
Aside from the fact that they are intolerant, insecure, oversensitive, deeply distrustful, violent, vengeful and crazy, Muslims are actually really nice people.
Muslims are no crazier than any other religious freak on the planet. And BTW there are over 6 billion of you freaks infesting our planet. Take a page out of Jim Jones' book and do us all a favor please, drink the punch!
Hey moron... its drink the Kool-Aid... get it right will you...
I agree that all religous fanatics are scary...I also agree that you are a moron. your king was killed in his own home, I believe they call that checkmate. These idiots made a massive tactical error on 9/11...let's face it AQ are so dumb they waited till there was a Texan in the Whitehouse to atack America. What did they think was gonna happen?
Sounds like you just described every religion.
MOSQUES and Islamic schools are TERRORISTS INCUBATORS. Islamic clerics are the main instigators of world violence and terrorism. These RATS incite the masses of brainless Muslims to commit all kinds of atrocities. Unless there is A MASSIVE CONVERSION OF MUSLIMS TO CHRISTIANITY nothing is going to change. The first step is to eliminate Muslim clerics and devout Muslims who are the most perverse, violent, intolerant, irrational and discriminatory people.
So I can claim that the Catholic school down the street is a hub for terrorist training?
When Catholic schools teach the sort of hate and intolerance, persuade followers to strap bombs to themselves (or others), and detonate those bombs in soft target, public settings like too many Muslim "schools" do, then you may absolutely call Catholic schools terrorist training centers. I'm not religious but there is an obvious difference in how Muslims and Christians view the value of life. I truly hope you see that.
No, they teach boy raping, HIV spreading by forbiding condoms, and unwanted pregnancies at that "school"
Actually they are more likely a hub for paedophilia, but the point is we have a CHOICE and don't have to follow them or their teachings. We can think for ourselves
Uh, sure. When "love thy neighbor as thyself" and Oh, please. As always, try to cast a lion in a lamb's light. Hadith indeed. These are from the Qu'ran itself – no "interpretation" needed. If Islam is all peace and tolerance, why do we then have the following verses:
Sura 2; Verse 216: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Sura 8; Verse 65: O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.
Sura 8; Verse 66: Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
Sura 8; Verse 67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Sura 9; Verse 5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 9; Verse 29: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Sura 9; Verse 123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Sura 47; Verse 4: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
I dunno, is it just me? Or is it just a bit bloodthirsty, for instance, that Mohammed ordered the mass executions by beheading of the 600 jews of Banu Qurayza, captives in his care?
By all means, keep the eyes closed. It's so much more, uh, "peaceful" this way.
-come to mean the same thing.
Saying all clarics teach this is an ignorant statement. It's like stating all Christians are snake dangling, lurching pentacostals who speak in tounges.
You said it absolutely right.. Actually their ladies should drill in some sanity in these male heads. Only they can stop these people from committing further damage. Already huge damage is done by them.
There is no new revelation here... For the past 1400 Muslims have used one and only one strategy - i.e. terrorize all infidels.
Yes, that's part I, Evan. Part II is "Everybody's an infidel"
what is the world drones in Pakistan have to do with Islamist extremists in London? If they don't like it, pack and go back, I will be more than happy to provide them free flying carpet service.
Why not impose Sharia law for their case, seeings that is what they are fighting for. That way they could be beheaded and save the taxpayers $.
Why not impose Sharia law for their case, seeings that is what they are fighting for. That way they could be beheaded and save the taxpayers millions.
they stand out like a sore ass in their own country what makes them think they can venture out in the world looking and smelling like ASS
Too bad they use religion as their crutch, otherwise people might take them seriously and realize they just might be justified in launching their attacks on the West. As long as they keep using Islam as their catapult they will never expand their message outside of the crazies. If they simply used the message of "eye for an eye" they would have much larger fanfare globally.
Interesting that you've found a way to distinguish the two in your mind...
Hopefully the plotters handlers were paid a visit by a drone. You keep sending them, we will keep killing them.
I bet their breath is far worse than the smell of my feet after a day and night in my boots. WEW...
Is this the Al Qaeda we hate? Or the Al Qaeda CNN supports in Syria? All very confusing at this point.
NUKE all of Terroristan's "Tribal Regions" NOW, turn it into a glassy, radioactive WASTELAND..
sweet im in on that
And, how does one make sure not to harm innocent people?
There are no innocent Terrorists
Can we make a quick stop at your home first?
come by here, too, before you leave.
sick ad tired – so you'd happily kill millons to feed your own selfish, twisted fantasy? Questions for you:
Was your grandaddy called Adolf?
Are you a painter and decorator by trade? Genes always show at the end of the day!
I guess they will never understand the fact that they would have far better of chance if they did not look like they were auditioning for a movie roll as a terrorist. bwahahaha lol ignorance and ignorance walk hand and hand.
These ignoramuses are really bombarding this post with their idiotic warmongering and saber rattling today! I never had any idea that there were so many ignorant people but I guess there is by reading these stupid postings here. No wonder this country's in so much trouble!
they bomb everything they are islam what do you expect?
9/11 deaths: 6500
Annual # of Americans killed domestically by firearms: >30,000
Annual # of Americans killed domestically in road accidents: >33,000
Is Al Qaeda the real enemy here?
yes
Look! I can make up BS statistics too!
Americans who are complete idiots: 224871432
Americans who have a clue: 7
Drone deaths: 4700
Annual # of Muslims killed domestically by Sucide Bombers: >100,000
Annual # of Muslims killed domestically in road IED accidents: >133,000
Are Drones the real enemy here?
No
Look! I can make up BS statistics too!
Muslims who are complete idiots: 100,224,871,432
Muslims who have a clue: 0
not enough we need to triple those numbers
Hilarious 🙂
Is Al Qaeda the real enemy here? Of course not, the real enemy being the right-wing thugs in Washington!
you would not know a left wing from a right wing kicking you in the nuts!!!
youre a MORON WE NEED TO WIPE THEM OUT OR HAVE THEM FACE OUR FIRING SQUAD USING PIG BLOOD LACED BULLETS AND SEE HOW THEY REACT AFTER THAT i LIKE OLD GENERAL PERSHINGS METHOD IT WORKS DURING 1900 iM FED UP WITH THOSE FOREIGN IDIOTS
Those right-wing nuts didn't fly an airplane into twin towers.
Was all these deaths in the name of Allah? Not good statistics try again.
and idiots such as you
Yes they are!
Why don"t you go the the families of the dead and ask them that same question.
What kind of alternate history are you following? Death toll on 9/11 was approximately 3,000 – half of what you cite. Horrific to be sure, but your 6400 number is both wrong, strange, and apparently random.
If they are not, YOU are.
So lets just bomb the guns and cars. What a moron!
You seem to be missing the point. All the 9/11 deaths occured in one day. If you expand that out using your figures that would make an annual total of 338,000. Your point is ridiculous.
Islam is peace , convert to Islam , and know peace .
Islam is piece of sh!t
the only peace they know is how to rape that peace off of their women lol cave rats we loved smoking them out then smoking them ahhhh the good ole days cant kill enough of them!!
HAHA...rotfl!
Did you mean to say know "pieces"?
Like when one of them kooks tries to strap a suicide vest on me after I convert and asks me to blow myself to pieces along with as many innocent (I know kaffirs aren't really innocent – wink wink) people I can find?
is this the piece you speak of?
Or what ??? I am quite peaceful thanks and your arrogance is over the top. Are you trying to say that unless you convert to Islam you cannot know peace? That is simply ridiculous, the most peaceful countries on earth are all sectarian so what does that tell you?
You must be kidding. Why dont you convert to a religion of love not hate
NO thanks I dont like donkeydick
When you get down to it, those guys are just egoistical killers who want to feel holier-than-thou–above all, over their fellow Muslims. It's not that Islam is a cult, it's that (like other religions) it has cults. But you also have Muslim nations like Dubai who want to live in the 21st century, people who want to build and not destroy.
Let Alla sort them out
al Qaeda has realized that they no longer have to do anything, that they have a good helper by the name of Obama, and they can see that he is destroying the United States all on his own and that the countries that backed the United States are finding themselves in a tough spot of supporting a country that is being destroyed by it's own government.
Obama didn't destroy the US...Bush and the Republicans did!!!
Repubilicans and democrac are the same tug
Yeah I'm sure Bin Laden wants to thank Obama for his assistance in getting to the afterlife faster.
Solid proof that drones are working Go DRONES!
Another idiotic comment from another mindless Tea Partier!
It's only a matter of time – there is a drone for U 2
Your no better, fool!
Patton,
I'm no tea partier but the drones rock!
Please keep in mind these people would cut your head off in a minute or kill as many of you family as they could if they had the means.
I know, you think we should REASON with them. Sit down and have a frank discussion on how we can solve this.
Is that what you're telling me? Dude, I know about General George Patton and you're no Patton.
and this is new to you guys
I import low quality junk into the USA and sell it for a 5000% markup. LOL. The people who make this junk laugh at the USA for buying it. Happy Meal toy anyone?
Enjoy it while you can – there is a drone for you Muzzie
islammies islammies oh oh i just get so mad i want to blow up something maybe dis time i blow up my mule or goats
It was not Ghandi but J Nehru who would not work with Jenna ( founder of Pakistan ) to have a united country. He later said it was his biggest mistake. Ghandi was in fact assassinated by a hindu radical because he advocated a single India.
It pays to pay attention to youur teachers.
Teach the Indian fellow his country's history. You might also include how Union Jack set the division in motion.
they smell like 200 pounds of bear skat.
question: R we winning? Answer: ask Charlie Sheen!
no the islammies are not
Islamophobists have no place in the United States. They don't have the education to know the difference between Muslims and terrorists.
lol go tickle your mule
Case in point. Look at the above comment I replied to and you can understand why Islamophobists have no place in the United States.
an observant God ... good on you GOD!
go tickle it over the edge of a cliff
How do you define education?
counting muslims riding over the edge of a cliff. that is how
Are you really God? And you are wasting your time here? What cop out.
I hope you realize that using the "I am Allah" is a death sentence if you lived in the an Islamic country and were found out. But then you have the freedom of expression where you live so you can use "I am God" isn't that great!!
it sure is stop being oppressed.
i would hide and live in caves if i looked like them. no wonder they are such a hateful breed of so called humans..
You have stinky bait! no wonder the fish don't bite. see ya.
no smellier than a muslim
The BRICS are already settling using the RMB and not the USD. A clear indicator that the days of the USD as the world's std currency are numbered. LOL. Most Americans will need to look-up "BRICS" and "RMB". LOL.
Some do, the USD will do fine. Maybe someone critizing a currency has $$ problems. Keep using the internet cafe buddy.
150mbps right to my home. Though surfing from a cafe is sometimes enjoyable too. None of that changes the fact that you're in decline. The USA cannot even boast of being in the Top 10 of the most prosperous nations any more. LOL. Visit prosperity . org see all the nations better than you.
Still ranked number 12, which if you look US is the highest ranked superpower. the nations with more prosperity have zero military influence you nut.
@Arsh, The reason those nations are more prosperous than the USA is because they don't spend money they don't have on warmongering. It's also why most of those nations are not constantly waiting for the next terrorist attack. It's also why the citizenry of those nations are not losing their civil liberties like Americans are. If military might is your only baseline for choosing a nation to call home, then the USA is it. But if freedom and prosperity is what you seek, you'll need to look elsewhere.
And you say "still ranked 12"? Pretty sad. Even sadder is that you slide further down year-after-year.
lol america can take the whole world out all together and that means snuffing your little oil lamp out in your cave as well allah bajamedineidiot...
Wow. You can blow-up the world. That is SO admirable. Fact is though, should the USA choose to war against the world, the USA would be swallowed whole. LOL. There's a reason the USA only attacks 3rd-world dumps; because they don't want a REAL war.
America ... Back to Back World War Champs! Bring It!
li_bri you are clueless because you were never afforded the opportunity to live in and to serve as an American in our armed forces you mid easties are sooooooooooo jealous it is crazy. no wonder i never questioned myself squeezing the trigger i just told myself and my mates it was like putting crazy dogs down!!! with a .308 win mag.......
@Li_Bri We could be broke and living in caves and still be lightyears more advanced than your pathetic "civilization"
Hey Pete why dont we try that
"America is the only nation in history that went directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual period of civilization." Oscar Wilde
The 'terrorists' don't have to do anything but wait patiently. Just look at the level of education in the US, incarceration rates, teenage pregnancy rates, obesity, asthma, diabetes, murder rates, and so many other categories the US is leading civilized nations. Like so many other empires before in history, the American empire will disappear into the history books rather quickly.
waiting will be the end of them they can not stop murdering each other nor blowing themselves up
Was gonna respond and then thought about, you are just not worthy....
Countries like India which had that opportunity squandered it away, when Pakistan was created exclusively as a homeland for Muslims........thanks to the utter foolishness of Mahatma Gandhi.
Today India is stuck with a Muslim population greater than that of Pakistan (even though India never admits to that!).
Calling Ghandi foolish shows how dummmm you are. Read you history book
GREAT JOB......MY IMPOSTER yet another Amit-Atlanta-USA!!!
keep up the good work I am out of here!
Pretty sad that we can't stop this. Even more pathetic is that our president (wanna be sports icon) wouldn't even support Israel if al Qaeda attacked them.
I'm not saying you failed reading comprehension in school, but you did discern from the piece that it is Obama's drone war that is causing these terrorists to attempt to change their tactics, and that these new tactics are failing miserably. Our President is doing alot better than the last one we had genius.
Tree hugger. He gives our jets to the middle east. Nothing wrong with using Drones. Just saying that he should be more pro-Israel.
Fvck Israel.
You are another one of those unintelligent people who blame everything on Israel and other countries for the blood shed in wars and uprisings in the middle east. I suggest you go and live there. So why don't you be a thinking person and tell us why you always blame others for the issues you have rather then blame it on the Islamic political system?
@Chippy, Israel is a troublemaker whose days are numbered. LOL. Hope I live long enough to see it.
I am still waiting for the evidence, are you having trouble find some?
@Chipped, Evidence of what?
LOL Li_Bri Israel could smash your "army" in a week. Keep LOL..ing on here because in real life you have nothing to laugh about.
I find supporting Israel is a bit of dodgy issue.
Supporting Israel is dodgy for people who have been brainwashed by the liberal media. Israel is a lighthouse that shines in the darkness of the Middle East.
I have a question – how come Syria is not hated by so many people as those who hate Israel – a country surrounded on all sides by enemies who swore to destroy it, yet flourishes as a democracy, scientific and industrial marvel?
Except for the fact that he has, does, and will. Ooops, I guess that means that you're dead wrong. But then that never stops you guys ,does it?
Why do you fellows always say support Isreal! support Isreal!. My questionis....is one live better than another.
Dont you all Christians believe God created all men in his image. Do you rather kill one of God image and not the other?...
. Is America really a christian country? Didnt Jesus Joseph of Nazarat aka Jesus the Christ preach love your neighbor?
This wann make me convert to Hinduism or Budaism or something or better still stay me own movement.
You Muslims, Christians and Jews are all warmongers and baby killers that respect God and Allan not,
All hands should be on board for peace in the Middle East or Macbeth will never sleep.
Nuke PAKISTAN and wipe this terrorist country from this planet. Problem solved.
It's warmongering idiots like you Ed Haan who are the problem!
Hardly.
Spoken like an elementary school dropout.
What a stupid person you are, join the debate but please don't be an idiot
Chippy, world history did NOT begin on 9/11. Open a history book and you'll learn that the USA was over there first. Long, long before 9/11.
LI_Bri (below) – you hold a position that all began in 9/11. You are forgetting, or hiding, the fact that AQ tried to blow up the WTC years before that and that training of terrorists to attack the US had been taking place in Pakistan and Afghanistan long before that.
Or should i not confuse you with facts?
I wouldn't go that far, but we do need to hold countries like Pakistan responsible. Instead of the war on terrorism, we need to wage war on the governments responsible. They're not terrorists really, they're soldiers. Terrorism is cheap warfare. They use whatever means necessary to fight. But they are fighting against our way of life, and they are fighting for their countries.
Well said
They're NOT fighting your "way of life". They just want you to stop killing them.
Hold UK responsible, Read your history books people!
Hold UK responsible. Histroy does repeat.
Hold UK responsible.
Li_bri – Dont forget 9/11 and the bombings in London and else where – Islam is a cult of hate hate. Feel free to go back to your own ideology that you feel more at ease with. Otherwise if you live in the west then enjoy your freedom and don't let others try to destroy it.
Onlythehate – Are you a little backward I see you have repeated yourself three times and I see the word hate in you logon, that tells all. . So you blame the brits that's interesting and very one sided. The British are not pure by any means however they don't go around killing in the name of God. However the radical Islamic s go around killing in the name of Allah. What a nasty hateful political system Islam is. They even kill each other. Shock horror but they are are using drones to kill civilians!. Think about this the drones kill some radicals (murderers) carrying weapons and in civilian clothing they are killed by a drone. Remove the weapons and they can then say they are civilians right. I remind you also that Muslims like killing other muslims. Would you like me to give you a list? The numbers will do for now 138 in three days (these are only the reported ones!) , murders perpetrated by Muslims on Muslims. Now do you get it!
If by "our way of life" you mean constantly going to other countries and killing their inhabitants, or that "our way of life" means that we can't sustain our economy without being involved in non-stop war, then maybe they are fighting against our way of life. I'll betcha that if we just stayed out of their internal affairs then they couldn't care less about "our way of life".
Well said, Steven. Thank you.
Mr. Harnack. They go after your way of life because you are an "infidel" and not willing to live under Islam and Sharia law.
You can leave them alone but they would not leave you alone.
Nuke one or two cities in Pakstan to teach them a lesson – oh wait they only have one or two – no problem, lesson complete
All I can say here is that all these hateful posts by all these ignorant, war loving Tea Partiers are enough to make a billy goat want to puke. If being stupid was a virtue, these warmongers here would be living saints!
As the perpetual and unstoppable decline of the USA continues, I'm proud to say that the USA is NO LONGER a member of the Top 10 most prosperous nations. LOL. Most Americans do not know this because their mind-controlling mainstream media didn't tell them. Visit prosperity . org to see all the nations better than you. LOL.
Good posting, Li_Bri. Thank you for your input. I'm sick and tired of all these weak minded warmongers here crying our their gung ho "go shoot'em up" idiocy! Most of these idiots here have never even been in war in the first place!
The issue is that they want to kill all who won't convert to Islam (Their written words!). You don't see a problem with this?
The political system of ilam cannot coexist in the west. So why don't you go to your islamic lands where you could become (if you are not all ready) a radical muslim. When you get back there why don't you practice on killing some muslim because muslims are good at that too.
Why would I go to some "islamic lands" when there are so many other beautiful, free, friendly nations to go to?
Because we are a free country we let people like you in and then you start to s..t in your own nest.
NOT even our own CNN's Mr.Fareed Zakaria (an Indian like me) is any different from the vast majority of these folks. His writings in the garb of religious freedoms, equal opportunities & justice cannot conceal his utter hatred for America (his adapted homeland), India (his country of birth) as also the helpless minorities (e.g. Coptic Christians in Egypt).
He has even gone to the extent of calling AMERICA AS THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE WORLD way more than even AL-QAEDA!!! (Reflections on 9/11 and aftermath” CNN-GPS Sept 9th, 2011).
A lot of angry Pakistani muslims on here today... and I'm loving it!!
DRONES FOR EVERYONE!! More where that came from!
Why don't you kooks clean up your own country so we don't have to. Take responsibilty for your society and you won't have to come on here and cry that we're killing your terrorists.
I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION
"WHY IMPORT TERROR"
These people WILL NEVER ASSIMILATE or give up their allegiance to their MUSLIM UMMAH even after generations.
Here's a quote from a Pakistani host Fasi Zaka which explains the Muslim psyche "The silent majority does not want to take out a gun and shoot anyone, but at the same time they're not appalled by it when somebody else does......THE MAJORITY ARE ENABLERS."
Why is it that there is never outrage from the muslim sector – they are very quiet don't you think. Are they afraid of what other muslims by think?, are they afraid of being outlawed?, are they afraid they might be killed? Islam is NOT a religion its a political system.
You have a limited and closed mind.
Simple -they are either terrorist or terrorist sympathizer
BOOMER!!???!!!? BOOOM!
Al Quaeda's new strategy:
Do nothing, President Obama is already kicking the bejesus out of the USA. It's divided now and we're all fighting each other, they just have to wait to see who the last one standing will be.
It's divided because of G.W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh and all the other AM hate radio stations, Fox News, and Sarah Palin and her little band of gun loving, toothless in-bred teabillies.
Please note the evidence of inter-political party hate and division.
"Sarah Palin and her little band of gun loving, toothless in-bred teabillies." C'mon be nice to the Alaskan lady that reads every newspaper and sees Russia from her backyard.
very well said, Rush Limbaugh,fox news are all just hate mongers and racists i beleive. they cant stand an african american being a president in first place....they just keep feeding wrong stories hoping that "keep repeating a lie and it becomes truth"
Jim, what are you smokin?
They're in fear for their lives, if you haven't figured that out yet. Ask Bin Laden how Obama is working out for him. Bush had decided he couldn't be caught and that it really didn't matter anymore.
As far as Obama harming us, my 401k is up 100% in 4 years as is the stock market. My stocks took a beating under Dubbya.
Obama is kicking the bejessus out of someone alright, Al Qaeda. They have to hide their bearded butts in a cave to keep from getting droned. They a pooping their pants. They don't even want any more members over there because it attracts death from the sky. Long live Obama the Black Mamba!!!
Jim, you are participating in the very division of this country that you are talking about by spewing out against our president. He is trying to repair the damage he was handed. How about showing how you can help bring the country together by supporting the highest office in the land. Place blame where it beongs where laws are made – congress. If you know anything about our political checks and balances, you would know the president only has the powers granted to him by congress. He is only one man; they are 535. He didn't go to war, but is trying to stop it. He didn't enact the Affordable Care Act, congress did. Congress also raised employment taxes by 2%, while the president was dead against that. I see no evidence of the president doing anything against us, but rather in our best interests. You may not like him because you might not be a democrat, but that is no reason to disrespect him or say things that aren't true.
Very well and aptly said Blake. For that matter so-called "Conservatives", "tea-party activitist",Republicans always think what they say is right, and dont want to take any blame for what the Replublican president did. Our own backyard has to be set right first before we go out and lecture to the outside world of what they should do and all.
Right, the divisiveness in the US is all Obama's fault. Do we live in the same country or perhaps you are so blinded by ideology that you can't recognize reality when it bites you?
I'm honestly shocked when people say "look what's happening to this country!!" like it's a bad thing:
– Financial markets coming back
– Housing coming back
– Unemployment falling
All key economic indicators heading in the right direction, but heck try to take my guns and this country is going to !@#!@# in a handbasket !!
RDN, You are correct, the division is Obama's from birth. Black dad and White mom. Make sense!
Southern Rebel warning!!!
Caution.. Southern confederate flag waving, church goin, Jesus loving, racist in da house!!
It's very strange to think they will accomplish anything by murdering random people. Worst war strategy in the history of war. Do they think that if we read these two bit murders in the newspaper, we will suddenly get an urge to convert to Islam?
Do you think that by butchering people half way around the world with those ungodly drones will cause these people to suddenly convert to Capitalism, ricardo1968? Well I for one don't! In fact, this will only cause more Muslims to hate us with a passion!
Yes it will! I travel lots and you do think about being a hated american with a bull's-eye on your back when you travel. If you go backpacking in Europe, the americans are wearing Canadian flag patches on their backpacks. That should say something.
Americans would never wear Canada flags....
Never where Canadian flags on their packs ... ha! I see you don't get out much. Ask anyone who travels. Its very common.
Brad, I've been to London, Spain and Italy multiple times. Going to Africa this winter. Maybe I have not backpacked. I stay in hotels not hostels. I would never associate myself with Canada. You mine as well have a Mexico flag on your forehead. I am proud to be an American, why would I hide it.......
For once we are terrorizing the terrorists and I'm good with that. If the terrorists think they can plan death by day and go home and sleep with his family by night – he's mistaken. And he doesn't like it.
Too bad – put a uniform on if you don't want your friends & family in harms way. If you live near a terrorist – move out because he's risking YOUR life too.
If the some muslims don't like that, I guess it tells us which side they're on.
Americans have been wearing Canadian flags on their backpacks as well as displayed on clothing in Europe and around the world for the past 20 years. At least the smart ones have been.
Our goal is to attack military installations and armed fighters. Their goal is to attack any and everyone; men, women and children. Plain and simple. That's why they bomb office buildings, train stations and shopping markets.
Muzzie vs. Drone – who can hate longer?
This article and comments can be summarized by a song by Offspring It'll be a Long Time.
Superpowers flex their wings
Hold the world on puppet strings
Egos will feed while citizens bleed
That's always the way it goes
When will the world listen to reason
I've a feelin' it'll be a long time
When will the truth come in to season
I've a feelin' it'll be a long time
I've a feelin' it'll be a long time
Nicely posted, soulcatcher. Thank you.
Thank you, Clint. I too like that poem above.
i wanna see him singing that in North Korea
To the poster who doesn't believe the Pentagon was hit by a commersial airliner on 9/11. I live in the DC area and know several people who witnessed the airliner crash into the Pentagon. How else do you think an entire side of the building burned and collapsed? That place is built like a fortress. Get real people. Terrorists killed thousands on that day and have continued and will continue. This is a war for the long term. Probably for generations.
Another ignorant punk who can't even find his r...end with both hands but they can and do post here as evidenced by the post above! Gee, these people must really take pride in being stupid. Unbelievable!
well gee, if that were the case then the pentagon site would be the first commercial airliner crash in the history of aviation to not leave ANY wreckage except for a few scraps of metal. Fuselage? nope! engines? Nada! an explosion on the same scale as the twin towers? Not even close! and people like you wonder why people like me question the "official" story hahaha!!
Saw it with my own eyes on that day, I was less than a mile away. But I guess since you were not there, you'll say I was lying....
Oh, now ya gonna get the wackos crazy...
and how many people do these "merica did-it's" think it would take to pull off a conspiracy that includes three airplanes and two office towers, and you think you could keep that many people quick about a plot to mass-murder fellow Americans? Delusional, at best.
And, please tell me where all the people and that airplane went that the wackos claim did not hit the Pentagon? And the pilots knowingly went along?
Utter and absolute insanity to think that OUR government is competent enough to pull off a conspiracy that large and that inhuman.
What do this wackos think about their fellow citizens that they believe ANY would go along with such a plan against other citizens?
Even on the surface it just doesn't pass the 'smell' test.
But, in their eyes we are the idiots because we won't jump in the silly tank with the irrational.
Yet, they think they are SO smart... mentally diminished haters, at best.
Deeper is right,
our politicans can't even keep a secret between two people, Bill and Monica quiet – and yet people think they were compentent enough to organize a cover up of epic proportions across multiple cities?
Look, I know you conspiracy people are smarter than all us sheep.. and can see right through to the truth.. But the truth is you're not smarter, you're underachievers wanting to prove to people that you really cant see things that they can't.
And yes sooner or later a broken clock is right twice a day but you're wrong 99% of the time.
Seek help.
My nephew(Marine) saw the plane crash into the pentagon. He also had to help clean up the body parts of his friends and fellow military men. I also know a sister of the pilot. If you think he was in on it, willing to die and leave his family behind to deal with the loss of him your full of !@#!#. I don't think even idiot "W" would have concocted such a stupid idea.
@Lea...Did you see it yourself? Nope. She said he said is not enough!
@ONLYTHETRUTH
So the goverment not only managed to cover it up, they must have also hired dozens and dozens of false witnesses too. None of which has ever come forward. So what we have is up to a thousand people involved in this and not a one has come forth?
Do you hear yourself? Look you need to seek help for your illness.
The only obvious and effective strategy to counteract this new threat is to allow for drone strikes in GB and other western nations so as to be able to offer a counterbalance. It is time to do what is needed to stop the terrorism!
Spoken like a true american.
Spoken like a true and complete idiot, you mean! Gee Brad, are you truly that proud of being stupid?
@ Carlson: That was sarcasm from Brad's point of view. Unfortunately also looks a lot like how people from other countries might respond to that comment, but then in the way your understood it.
Drone strikes in GB and other western nations? I hope you are just poking at me. I really hope real americans don't think that way.
You're probably also one that frequently asks why the US has to police the world.
Key words in this new revealing strategy is THE DRONE ATTACKS HAVE DIMINISHED AL QAEDA IN THE TRIBAL AREAS OF PAKISTAN...
...SO THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA, ONE MORE TIME, THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
So.... it is evil when Gerorge Buchs administration water boarded people but it is good when the Obama administration puts them on a kill list and kills them.... Such a funny thing. Me I agree with both approaches myself.
Hey you, post that drivel under your own name, will you? As the true Tom here, I say that both approaches are pure evil!
Well... I think of pure evil as harming innocents, which is what these "bad" guys are after. Stopping them from achieving their goals is important. I am sure if the power of wishful thinking could stop them they would already be stoppedHmmm maybe we should try to use the word "please"? Nope, that hasn't worked either. What would you suggest?
It's almost comical: DONT COME HERE FOR TRAINING WE DONT WANT TO BE DRONE TARGETS
Sounds like they're scared now. Just waiting for the big boomstick in the sky to find them.
Running scared, dying tired 🙂
re "Mohammed Merah – was encouraged by the group to return to France to launch an attack during a short stay in the tribal areas of Pakistan in September 2011 but planned every aspect of the operation himself, including which targets to strike"
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What a courageous hero Merah was....making war on a little girl walking down the sidewalk with her daddy. Murdering her mercilessly. Makes us all wan't to be a manly takfiri sunni muslim warrior just like Merah....NOT! What a pride for Islam Merah must be - Islamic killer of little girls!
I believe you've forgotten that one of our troops favorite pastime in Iraq was "enter the house, shoot the civilian men, rape and then shoot the women, then spend the rest of the time raping and then shooting the little girls".
Oh, by the way, over 30,000 "little girls" died during the 3 days of Shock and Awe.
Oh, by the way, the US murdered over 200 little girls when it shot down another nations commercial air flight in their own country.
Oh, by the way, EVERY day we read about civilians included in our drone kills.
Yep ... pretty bad the way the enemy goes after us the same way we go after them.
Thanks Sly, teach the bloody idiot and his likes world events.
Well at least they won't be breading anymore terrorists
Give us the evidence please as I can give you the evidence of Islamic terrorism. I would be very happy to debate on this blog everything you have wrote. So bring it on!
@Happy Now, I prefer my terrorists barbecued rather than breaded ;/
@Chippy...you must have been either asleep or oblivious. That's all, sadly, true
Terrible examples. Thats it.
In multiple YEARS of war in Iraq, with hundreds of raids, never once did I witness any of the rubbish you are shovelling in your retort.
These muslims, terrorism issues are beyond my understanding. I play safe on these issues, I support these terrorists to come to Western countries, and I support governments of these countries to lock them up. I am neutral.
Hey punk, how about vomiting your ignorance under your own name for a change? Well how about it, punk? I'm getting sick and tired of seeing Gen. Patton's name being continually debased by your stupidity!!!!!!!!!
You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me?
You can drop the act now, everyone knows what you are. There's a drone for you.....
"I am neutral?"
I think you misspelled "neutered".
If you take these Al Qaeda classes, at least you wouldn't need to worry about student loan payments.
You pay with your life either way.
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ahahahahhahahahahaha... i cant stop laughing!!
I thought waterborading was needed to extract such information....
Just another group of hypocrite religious nuts that will never do anything to improve humanity.
Another example why they must be fully defeated.
What medical disease will they cure, or cure poverty?
They are a social disease that needs to be eradicated like polio and smallpox.