CIA challenges accuracy of 'Zero Dark Thirty'
By Pam Benson
The CIA joined on Friday the chorus of those challenging the accuracy of a new movie on the Osama bin Laden raid that suggests that harsh interrogation techniques used on suspected terrorists helped the agency find the man considered behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States.
In an unusual move, the acting director of the CIA , Michael Morell, issued a statement to employees on Friday that emphasized that "Zero Dark Thirty" is not a historically accurate film.
Of particular concern are the harrowing scenes at the beginning of the movie that depict a suspected terrorist being interrogated at a secret CIA prison overseas with waterboarding and other so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. The suggestion in the movie is that those coercive techniques aided in identifying the courier who eventually led to the compound in Pakistan where bin Laden was living.
Morell acknowledged that the interrogations played a role but said that they were not as important as the movie implied. "That impression is false," Morell said. There were multiple streams of intelligence, according to Morell. "Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques, but there were many other sources as well."
Screenwriter on interrogation debate
Morell also criticized the film for implying that just a few individuals were responsible for the successful operation when in fact hundreds were involved. He also took exception to the "liberties" the filmmakers took in depicting CIA officers, especially ones who had died. "We cannot allow a Hollywood film to cloud our memory of them," he said.
Morell acknowledged the agency had interacted with the filmmakers but said the movie is a "dramatization, not a realistic portrayal of the facts ... we do not control the final product."
Morell's comments followed objections earlier in the week from Sens. Dianne Feinstein, Carl Levin and John McCain, who called on Sony Pictures Entertainment to publicly state that the movie is not based on fact.
" 'Zero Dark Thirty' is factually inaccurate, and we believe that you have an obligation to state that the role of torture in the hunt for Osama bin Laden is not based on the facts, but rather part of the films fictional narrative," the senators wrote.
In response to the senators' criticism, filmmakers Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal said the film condenses 10 years of intelligence work into a 2 1/2-hour film.
"We depicted a variety of controversial practices and intelligence methods that were used in the name of finding bin Laden. The film shows that no single method was necessarily responsible for solving the manhunt, nor can any single scene taken in isolation fairly capture the totality of efforts the film dramatizes," their statement said. "We encourage people to see the film before characterizing it."
"Zero Dark Thirty" opened in theaters on Wednesday.
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CIA challenges accuracy of 'Zero Dark Thirty' of course they are . They will never admit to the torture like in the movie . Not only
that it's a movie they need to make in interesting. It's all show.
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It's almost humorous that the CIA is not disputing the use of torture or "harsh interrogation tactics" in the search for OBL. Rather they are disputing the sense that those techniques were useful.
It seems that they are saying, "Yes we torture people, but please believe that it is not the least bit effective in information gathering".
The CIA outsmarted the terrorists and got bin Laden. Would love to watch this movie.
Thank you, mason. Spoken like a true, right-wing, lame brained Tea Partier. It's people like you that the C.I.A. seems to be outsmarting!
TEA PARTY = LIMITED BIG GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Who is against that ? Commies and Democrats ?
Obama's Commies have done NOTHING BUT HIDE THE TRUTH FROM THE PEOPLE FOR FOUR YEARS
Please read the first part of "Intel Wars" by Matthew Aid.
Unless I was dreaming didn't the CIA destroy interrogation tapes in their secret 3rd world location(s)?
Congress has a problem reading their own proposed legislation to the end, and staying in their seats for entire briefings from their own military, you think their gonna bother watching a movie the same advisors, or like minded ones may have advised on?
Evrythings s fake...9/11 was an inside job..evry1 knws it..d us govt makes a fool out of its pple....d pple guilty r d cia nd ol ....dey hide EVRYTHING from d public....tas d truth..
Well texted, LEoro619 and so very true, too!
Are you insane? You conspiracy theorists need go back to the medicine cabinet and take your meds and stop spreading silly rumors... Goodness this needs to stop! And learn how to type in English if you want to post on here. It's atrocious.
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As anyone in show biz can tell you: "There's no such thing as bad publicity".
It was a daring mission. World's most brutal terrorist was hiding next to enemy's military compound. Not only they took him out successfully, they put the retard at the bottom of the ocean. It's a nice plot. Sounds almost like fiction but it's all true... Must see movie.
Gee Ben, are you truly that naive? The movie was made in order to glorify a bloody murder so that Hollywood can make a great deal of money. Contrary to American public opinion, like George Patton has stated here time and again, there is no glory in killing anyone. Besides, I'd thank Phunnie boy below not to post under my name again!
UBL's death was not murder. It was justice for his crimes against humanity, not solely the US.
CIA should finance a releaseof its own version of the movie then.
In general, it's a proven formula for a movie to make money. Defeat the enemy, make a movie, and make money. The formula has always worked. Watch all those WWII movies. The more brutal the enemy, the more the money a movie will make. In this specific case, the enemy was a total loser who was hated by everyone. Blockbuster!
Quite true Dean, quite true indeed.
It is difficult to discern fact from fiction in these situations since none of what was portrayed by either the CIA or the movie makers was ever empirically verifiable by the general public. So all we are left with is the known facts - one of which is that torture is a notoriously poor means of accessing information. We also know that 3 buildings collapsed in New York City on 911 including building 7 that was never hit by any airplanes but yet the building collapsed very neatly much like a building that taken down by a expertly planned controlled demolition. And yet we the general public are supposed to believe that world trade center building 7 came down because of some group jumping around on playground bars in Afghanistan managed to plan and execute an operation that destroyed a 47 story building in NYC in such a neat manner by way of bringing down the twin towers by catching them on fire even though a fire has never caused the collapse of a steal frame building in the history of steel frame buildings. None of the official story makes sense when a close examination is done regarding 911.
I often suspect that the CIA has a dual responsibility of both gathering intelligence and also acting as the ministry of propaganda for the homeland. Thus the CIA may have indeed instructed the filmmakers to portray torture as being successful with the full intent of denying that it was ever used even though both could be lies ie. the CIA may have used torture but failed to gather useful information from it but they still want to keep using it so they help to create movies that create the illusion that it works in order to garner support for its continued use while at the same time denying that they use it in order to claim that they are within the law and to try and keep the anti-torture people satisfied that the CIA isn't using it.
All profits from "Zero Dark Thirty" should go to the families of the Deceased SEAL Team 6 members, and the others aboard the fatal Chinook Helicopter flight that the US Military foolishly flew over the low lying mountain ridge where the Taliban were lying in wait, who in turn shot down the large slow moving Chinook Helicopter . Who ever is responsible for the mission of flying elite SEAL Team 6 members in the large transport helicopter that was shot down by the Taliban should be stripped of his rank.
Seals did an outstanding job. They raided the terrorist compound next to the enemy military base with an awesome efficiency while the enemy military just slept. That would be fun to watch.
Good grief Phunnie boy, is that you above now posting under the name of Carlson? I bet you are, aren't you? Anyone with half a brain knows that was these clowns did over there was cold blooded murder and nothing else.
@George Patton please kindly shut up. Please looked at all the facts before saying who is the "cold blooded murder"
@TommyN, please shut up and stop being such a servile little puppet.
Gulf of Tonkin, Buiding 7, WMDS & Ties to AL Queda, Jessica Lynch Story, Pat Tillman cover up, OBL raid, Beghazi spontaneous reaction to YouTube Video . (USA) United Sheep of America, such a gullible lot they are .
Christ was hung on a tree in his death. Man himself chose the cross and the cup. Define the word, cross and the word tree. Do you see the tree of life? *Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; *Daniel 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
72 virgins? *Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. *Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: *2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (Notice the scripture said nothing about holy people, because they will be destroyed by peace, reading Daniel 8:24-25)
*Mark 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees walking. *Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. *Isaiah 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Like I said before, this movie Zero Dark Thirty was made for only one purpose and that purpose is to glorify the brutal murder of one man who headed Al Qaeda. To this very day, we have yet to learn whether the man in question was the actual Ussama bin Laden or just an impostor. Either way, no one's death should be glorified!!!
Victory of good over evil is always glorified. In this case nobody had to glorify it. The whole world celebrated spontaneously when the news broke out about the navy seals successful mission.
Evil will talk about evil, and then have the gall to defend evil, making themselves evil. Casting stones, is for those who claim the cross saved them *Deuteronomy 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. *John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Christ followed the law of Moses in his death, who are you *John 1:17* *Deuteronomy 21:21-22 and all Israel shall hear and fear. And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: *Acts 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. *Galatians 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. *Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. *Luke 23:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel:
Why the hell is this movie suddenly getting so much scrutiny? And don't tell me it's because "well, it's bejng marketed as real". "A Beautiful Mind" was sold as a true story, and virtually nothing in it was true. "Argo" completely fabricated its final act. Hell, "JFK" is one of my favorite films even though it has as much bearing on reality as a Disney animated movie.
Movies aren't reality. They're entertainment.
The reason for the scrutiny? Because this film is dead accurate. And its bothering many at the top.
I find it very difficult to believe ANYTHING FROM OUR SO-CALLED INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE.
I trust the CIA about as much as I trust filmmakers so F them both, it's snowing.
I remember watching The Hurt Locker and LoLing at half the scenes. Considering how horribly inaccurate that movie was, anyone expecting Zero Dark Thirty as anything more is going to be dissapointed.
How can anyone believe anything you guys say. You've been acting like cowboys for decades. Feeding the greed of a few. Where were you guys when 911 happened, or did you do it? Your mission is to collect intelligence not topple governments, and kill innocents Anywhere. My personal belief is you people have done quite enough. You call yourself Americans?.....
How can anyone believe anything you guys say. You've been acting like cowboys for decades. Feeding the greed of a few. Where were you guys when 911 happened, or did you do it? Your mission is to collect intelligence not topple governments, and kill innocents Anywhere. My personal belief is you people have done quit enough. You call yourself Americans?.....
The FBI never charged Osama bin Laden in connection to the 9/11 attacks: "We have no concrete evidence linking 'Usama bin Laden' to the attacks of September 11, 2001"... FBI spokesman Rex Tomb in 2006. Similarly, the US Department of Justice issued NO indictment against Osama bin Laden for 9/11.
However, 3 months prior to 9/11, in June 2001, while in a hospital undergoing kidney dialysis in Dubai, OBL was visited by CIA station chief Larry Mitchell and two other agents. OBL was on the FBI's 'most wanted' list for the US Embassy bombings in the 1990s... but he was neither arrested nor detained in Dubai in June 2001.
OBL was one of many recipients of US taxpayer funds, funneled to the Afghan Mujahadeen anti-Soviet fighters by US Central Intelligence in the 1980s. He became one of many on the CIA's mujahadeen *database*, which gave rise to the CIA's colloquialism for this database "al Qaeda" (meaning 'the base' in Arabic').
OBL had many friends and acquaintances in the US intelligence services, and it is not a great stretch to understand why and how he managed to "get away". OBL represented a huge US investment in the so-called "war on terror"... the establishment-appointed and media-promoted "superstar" of terrorism" had to both protected, and his "alive and still on the loose" status had be milked until empty. His presence kept the largely gullible and non-attentive US mainstream news consumers fearful and malleable.
Osama bin Laden was WORKING FOR THE US right up until 9/11, when he disappeared. Sibel Edmonds, FBI translator and the most gagged person in US history, blew the whistle last year. All of her testimony has stood up to intense scrutiny since she outed corrupt elements within our government in 2005. The corporate weasel media, naturally, ignored this story, one of the most important and newsworthy revelations since the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon on 9/11/2001.
OBL was clearly not who has been sold to us. He became the figurehead for our "National Piñata"... (Muslims and Arabs). He was a man we can all beat up on, because it made us feel good, conforming neatly into our preconditioned comfort zones. And Obama knew this when he was instructed by his lords and masters to "inform" us that he had just been "killed".
LIARS, the lot of them.
You cited too many facts to check them all, but nthe first one is a wrong, so you also lied yourself. kidney dialysis is a medical treatment for a serious condition tha requires kidnet transplant or continued REGULAR dialysis treatment. Without such treatments, the patient will die shortly. And OBL kept on living in hiding from 2001 to 2011 without treqtment ? Utter lie.
nik green is correct newsrell the FBI never did charge OBL in connection with 911 the FBI listed OBL as a suspect of the 911 attacks and their is a big difference between being a suspect and being charged .
These facts confirmed that Obama and Osama are two faces of same coin. Al-Qaida is in fact a database of those Arabs/non Arabs CIA used to train in military warfare for leading US war against USSR on Afghan soil in the name of Jehad (holy war). They were the real force behind motivation of Afghans and Pakistani nationals to fight under their command in the name of Islam. Recent develop[ments in Arab world has exposed this evil alliace between Al-Qaida and CIA where both are allies against the non compliant rulers. No more cheating of Americans and the rest of the world otherwise noe will survive in this march against the Law of the nature.
Remember, nothing in the world is for free. Do not be afraid to ask questions, the ground makes you dumb, keep your head up. The devil gets his strength from you, and the kingdom of God is in you. The word of the Lord is the testimony of The Word of God his book of life. *Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. *2nd Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. *Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. *Isaiah 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
That's a lot of protesting. I don't want to know what my government has to do to protect us, and I don't care. There is no reason to treat an enemy better than they treat us.
Mankind takes pleasure in the death of the wicked. A secret is, thou shall not covet? Mankind has rejected all ten commandments, and no man will say even a word. Satanists are everywhere, hiding behind the traditions of men. (*Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men*) Pride is their weapon of choice, to keep you away from grace and truth by praising men with flattery, because they have no words, but their own. The world is so wicked now, and that is exactly how the people of the world want it to be. Remember who sold away their birthrights? What rights to do you have, to be human. A cunning hunter, is a man of the world who goes out to conquer all, by taking rights away to give to himself. The principalities have taken over the spiritually dead souls. The armour is the Word of God *Jeremiah 13:18 Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourself, and sit down: for your principalites shall come down, even the crown of your glory.
Facts cannot be ignored any more. Whole world know that none can dare to film what CIA has been doing, specially since 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq. Detainese in Guantanamo and Bagram speak of more then what has been shown in Zero Dark 30. This reaction from CIA is infact an attempt to make it more sensational as it is good for business.
Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo CARES!!
Remember the movie THE DEER HUNTER? In that film about the Vietnam War, sadistic "Orientals" torture innocent American boys by playing Russian roulette with them. In that case, torture is seen as an unqualified evil that inflicts suffering on guiltless victims. Now we have ZERO DARK THIRTY, where torture is portrayed ultimately as an effective tool in finding a master terrorist. Conclusion: torture is evil when done to Americans, but not so bad when we do it to others.
Not really a fair comparison. The Deer Hunter scenes depict torture as entertainment for the captors, not as an interrogation technique. Abu Ghraib would be a more apt comparison to The Deer Hunter...
Its a movie, its a movie, its a movie. Oh, did I mention that it is a movie?
Earlier this month the European Court of Human Rights ruled unanimously the CIA was guilty of torture and sodomy in a secret rendition program of a German citizen Khalid el-Masri.
and so was Star Wars...it's a movie not a history lesson, it's supposed be entertaining not accurate
Finally, common sense. The media has proven they have the perception of a 5 year old. Or the worst news day in history when this was written. Who cares? Its a movie! Watch it, don't watch it. This is like complaining the Gunfight At The O.K. Corral wasn't accurate, or Matrix....or, as you have said, Star Wars, where it is silent in space, despite all of Lucas's sound effects. How about that inaccurate Superman film. Geez, people flying.
I say the CIA are liars and that their warmongering is what lead to 9/11.
and I say your an idjit,, and a conspiracy maroon, post facts to back up your stories
All Conservatives were say water boarding did lead to his killing, certainly you dont believe the CIA or OB??
Ha ha ha ha. Fleecing of American viewer. Ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha. American viewer fleeced!!!! Ha ha ha ha.
If you are compelled to deny something, often there is an element of truth to it.
I am an alien from Chiron Beta Prime. Find the truth in that one.
No one denied that.
Says a lot about our society then the CIA director has to tell us that a movie that hollywood made is inaccurate. Wow! There are really people out there who actually base their historical facts on a movie?
DO we really want the CIA to monitor movies to say what is accurate and what is not? Don't we have freedom of speech? This is a movie folks taking a historical event and making entertainment using artisitc expression.
Well since we know the government lies to us, who else are we to believe?
You might want to adjust your tin foil hats. You've fried your brains by wearing them too tightly.
a SEAL Team's conversations an demeanor, when executing a mission. The production folks have studied Clint Eastwood movies, vice spent time with an actual Team/platoon. A SEAL is nothing these hollywood actors can portray, as they are Warriors. Man-eaters.
A movie portraying actual events inaccurate ... never!
American exceptionalism in its finest hour. Not!
Um, does anyone seriously care how accurate this movie is?
This must mean it is accurate!
i hope they tortured every damn terror affiliate they could find they deserve it!
It's a movie, it's Hollywood, and it's the media, they have to err on the side of the dramatic in order to sell films and to get attention. By sending such a correspondence to the field, you look and sound concerned. If it's inaccurate, let it be inaccurate. How many other movies out there are inaccurate? Many I suspect.
Darth Vader posted on his Facebook page yesterday that his portrayal in the Star Wars movies was highly innaccurate. Among other things, he claims that he did not choke Admiral Motti during a disagreement and that it's never been proven that he was Luke's father. It seems Hollywood adds fictional events to movies for dramatic and entertainment value. Unbelievable!
if the cia thinks this one is inacurate, wait till they get around to the bengazzi fiasco..
History cannot really be represented by film. Film only provides glimpses of truth. I think of it more as an idea form than a reality form. It is like saying a photo is a portrait of a person. But the photo isn't even a reality. It resembles a person only. The rest of the person is animated in the eye of the beholder. That's the fictional part of the photo.
And who cares? It's a damn movie. Nothing more. I never heard mention that this was an exact revelation of what occurred and I never expect our government to reveal that. Nor would I want them too. But the CIA should certainly rise above this petty business of Hollywood... Nothing better to do? Get out of the movie business and kill the bad guys... That's all I'm saying..
Diane Feinstein calling for the truth? That's new one!
There will be no accurate movie about the Osama bin Laden raid that didn't happen.
What would they do?
The opening credits roll...and then a guy comes on and says, "Osama bin Laden has been dead for years now, but we 'resurrected' him in order to improve Obama's (at the time) lousy approval ratings. This just in, Adolph Hitler has been killed by Seal Team Six. Details are spotty and just coming in, but apparently he has been living in Islamabad over a taxi cab stand. The White House has not officially spoken, but a confidential source has informed CNN that Hitler was killed during the raid and has been quickly buried at sea."
Of course it is inaccurate.The CIA,pillar of integrity in our government should always be believed.Given their history,we can always count on them for accurate information. I cite Iraqi Freedom as a testament.
Does the accuracy of this film really matter or should we have discussed the accuracy of the movie Battleship also? The people commenting here, in some serious manner, need to get a life.
I want the government to come forward and admit that Jurassic Park was completely accurate. It's time everyone knows the government is making a dinosaur army.
you made me LOL
It bothers me that the gov't oversaw a lot of details. Totally inappropriate.
NEWS BREAK! White house verifies that all Hollywood movies are in fact real! There is no argument against this. Non at all. Don't even laugh.
Of course we believe the CIA. Every single word. Would they lie? LOLOLOLOL
Of course it is inaccurate. Its more of a left-wing hit piece than anything else.
Bone-headed liberals love revisionist history that suits their agenda.
Really, members of congress are criticising a movie. A movie? Don't they have other things to do? Remember to vote against members who are idiots that you voted in to begin with.
translation: it made the democratic neutered, politically correct d*ckless CIA look bad.
Whether it is true or not at this point is irrelevant. Remember, that the film crew had technical assistance and intel from the CIA to help make this film. So for them to say after the fact that it's not accurate, is to state that the info that they gave Bigelow and Crew was the wrong information. How much sense does that make? Realistically, it makes more sense for them to make this statement to distance themselves because of the fall out from Behghazi and the controversy that the film "Innocents of Muslims" generated, leading to the deaths at the US Embassy. Clearly, they don't want another US Film to have content as hostile towards muslims to generate a similar outcome. When was the last time you heard of three senators contacting a film company asking them to tone it down. So much for freedom of speech and all the rest of it. It's ok to torture prisoners and make a film about it unless it's "Too" controversial. Then all the wheels of political commerce turn to campaign to walk it back. I'm sure that Bigelow got it right. She is an Ace Film Maker and a Real Maverick, unlike that fraud McCain. I wasn't the least bit surprised she picked up the Oscar for her work. We should be proud of her groundbreaking efforts as an American Director, rather than let these girlymen try to knock her work ipso facto. You go girl!
Who cares if they torture or didn't torture. The terrorists don't care about any of you.
Perhaps. But we should care about us.
and actually wish good for the world, just not them (those that flew a plane into a building)
Give me a chain saw and a pair of handcuffs and they'll tell you all that you want to know. They have to know that you are serious or they will laugh in your face.
.....and we're supposed to believe the CIA? LOL!!!!!!
If a film doesn't show the US in the best light possible, with lots of fighting and bloodshed of young men from middle class and poor families, then the right wing nuts won't like it.
Being mindful of the message we present worldwide through such pictures is non-partisan. It's got nothing to do with "right wing nutjobs" not liking messages critical of America. If we put out supposedly accurate imagery of overly brutal interrogations, it's the 19 year old kid that suffers when his truck takes an EFP in Kandahar. Not saying a film like this radicalizes alone, but it's the irresponsible posturing in general that people are upset with. Nuances do matter and the Arab street is VERY attuned to Hollywood movies (bootleg DVD stores on every streetcorner of Baghdad). You seem to be a very bitter liberal. You should lighten up a bit. Not everything is partisan. Sometimes we can just be Americans.
I agree
"... harsh interrogation techniques ..."
Seriously? Is it really necessary to adopt this kind of euphemism just so that we can pretend that detainees weren't tortured? Eric Blair would be horrified to see the free press fold so quickly...
I have another favorite euphemism from the Ministry of Truth "Collateral damage"
Funny how the gov't alphabets are quick to defend theirselves. Hmmm.
As someone who has been intimately with CIA operations and procedures, let me just say that, among other things, there is/was no 'Maya.' I'll just leave it at that!!
'intimately familiar'
Not according to Seals that went on the raid.
Funny – I would think that someone who is intimately familiar with CIA practices would also realize that posting comments on the internet can, in fact, be tracked back to source – even when using onion routers or other techniques.... That same person would realize that they would be in trouble for posting ANYTHING online in reference to ANYTHING the CIA is involved with...
As such, any post similar to this one would likely be posted by someone who has aspirations beyond their current successes; someone who likely works at a burger shack and lives with his mother....
I like it
If it doesn't fit the liberal narrative you can expect CNN and the Obama admin to attack it!!
You're a regular party buttsniffer obviously, but worse, you haven't a clue the difference between intel gained from a confession and intel gained by a real gator. So head back to your ignorant lib-hating butt sniff camp because we can be absolutely certain you aren't out on the CT trail catching bad guys.
Inaccurate?
Hello?
It's a movie. Get a grip!
why do people try to politicize works of fiction like movies. or even science for that matter
After Benghazi-gate and their continuing lies about the matter, I wouldn't believe the CIA, if the stood on a stack of bibles ten miles high!
Who would you believe? Who would the writer and director of this film have gotten their information from if not the CIA? Have you heard anyone involved with this film disagree with any of those who have said the film is factually inaccurate? The producers have been silent as to the accuracy of the movie, were YOU
there?
Well, this is what Omama wanted you to see–Bush at his worst. What Omama didn't want you to comprehend was the YouTube from Libya and the results of Rotten-Clinton's coverup. With that said, it is all Bush's fault and the YouTube video.
The CIA ran the 9/11 operation, of course they will lie about this as well.
Nice to see the government has its priorities in order!
First, I can't wait to see the movie. I think the Interrogation scenes would add more drama. Otherwise it would be a boring scenes with guys just sitting in front of their computers analyzing data. Secondly, I personally don't care how information are obtained. You think water-boarding is harsh, holy crap just pouring water on your face. How about using a large fish hook on the guy's tongue, or inserting a large needle in between finger nails. The end justifies the means.
Then, komododr, I'm sure you wouldn't mind it when American POWs are tortured, would you? After all, the ends always justify the means.
I think when they put a plane into a building I went way beyond thinking that they care what happens to them or us, and the rest of the world very likely thinks the same thing, they are not playing by any rules and our following rules does not do us any good, and no one is thinks any rules apply to them that is realistic
The CIA complaining about bullsh!t?
Rich.
There is no evidence that the US tortured anyone. If there is any such evidence, why don't these terrorist supporting Muslims submit it to the UN? It is all Muslim propaganda.
No evidence? Right. Fortunately there are plenty of Americans with courage and integrity who witnessed the torture and called it out.
YES YES OF COURSE AND THE SECRET CIA PRISONS IN EGYPT DID NOT EXIST. AND THOSE scars people had were not real. And the prisoners....oh who cares.
As long as it's a good movie....
"Morell also criticized the film for implying that just a few individuals were responsible for the successful operation when in fact hundreds were involved. "
According to Obummer, he killed Bin Laden all by himself, and 7 yrs of work under GW Bush had nothing to do with it.
I didn't even read the article, just saw the headline and... of course they're going to say that ; )
When the Gestapo tortured members of the French resistance, they were only trying to save German linves.
What the Nazi's did was absolutely terrible. What Osama bin Laden did and what muslim world does everyday is ten times worse. There is no comparison. Look at how they deny polio vaccines to their own kids and throw acid in their women's face. They routinely kidnap and behead Jews and Christians. These muslims make even Nazi's look so much better. Imagine that!
Wow!
RPMcKinzie, you are clearly in desperate need of some history lessons.
you need to travel to Krakow and tour the creamatoriums
Some of the information – so in at least one perspective this is true. A film usually shows one perspective. Many is an ensemble piece Like 4 Rooms. Your story still has to follow the arch of storytelling – and isn't it a bit late to worry about your image?
I know, the Agency known World Wide for 'Telling the Truth' is telling the truth about Zero Dark Thirty ! ? !
Is it just me or do you see any Irony in these statements ?
How about – Day 396 – In the Hostage Situation of the Murder In Action of Jacob Tate ? Is that Torture ? TRUTH
It is a film made to sell to the masses so of course it is inaccurate. The truth is boring!
Torture is NEVER morally justified under any conditions. While the accuracy is questionable in the film, it is common knowledge that it was used under the Cheney/Bush administration at Guantanamo. There is little evidence that DHS policies have been changed under the current administration. Given those facts it is not too much of a stretch to believe they were used leading up to the Ben Ladan raid. Accurate or not, the movie can be applauded as an attempt to portray what MIGHT have happened. The torture that has been acknowledged at Guantanamo was very real to the victims and the torturers obviously lacked any sense of morality.
Since the CIA has direct knowledge of this event I believe I would trust them over a bunch of directors looking at making a buck. It is completely disrespectful to use a movie to decieve the facts about what our brave heros did.
Right, well...you go ahead and worry about the poor innocent terrorists....maybe next time they could invite you in to reason with them to tell us the truth lol
Americans would have gone to see a movie about killing Osama Bin Laden no matter what. Why bother loading it with sensationalist garbage?
I would think coercive techniques would be justified only in an extreme case of many lives immediately at risk and very strong evidence that a suspect knows vital information to save them. However, I think it's important to keep in mind that whether something "works" is a different question from whether it is morally or ethically RIGHT to do it. They MAY be related but they are DIFFERENT questions. I'm in medical research, and I can tell you that unethical research methods clearly would WORK, but would you want yourself or loved ones to be the guinea pigs in such "studies"?
In general, although I'm not sure when and where coercive techniques might be morally justified or not, I think that starting the War in Iraq that killed tens of thousands of Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11, along with 4000 Americans, while Bin Laden got away in another country WAS immoral. By showing the War in Iraq and now American torture in a possible positive light, I think the director Bigelow has treaded on very questionable moral ground.
Considering this movie comes from the same person who directed The Hurt Locker, I will have to download this instead of spending my hard earned cash on it. The Hurt Locker was a farce of a movie (as the main character would not have been allowed to do 75% of the stuff portrayed and would have been sent back to CONUS rather quickly by his CoC) and I can't trust the accuracy of the events shown in this film; yet I bet she gets another Oscar nod for it.
Judging from the "outstanding" accuracy of the Hurt Locker, I wouldn't be surprised that Zero Dark Thirty is far from accurate. I'll catch it when it hits Redbox.