How the Patriot deployment to Turkey will work
By Barbara Starr
U.S. troops will be in direct position for the first time to take action against the government of Syrian President Bashr al-Assad with the deployment of 400 American forces and two Patriot missile batteries in Turkey, possibly as soon as mid-January.
The missiles and troops will be under the overall control of NATO. But the missiles will be operated by U.S. forces with the ability to choose whether to override computer systems that automatically order firing against any incoming Scud missiles, according to U.S. military officials.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced that he had signed orders for the Patriot missiles, emphasizing that he was sending a clear message to Syria that NATO will defend Turkey.
Syrian rocket and artillery fire have landed in Turkey and Syria has launched short range Scuds close to the Turkish border.
"We've made very clear to them that were going to protect countries in this region," Panetta said. "We have to act to do what we have to do to make sure that we defend ourselves and make sure that Turkey can defend itself."
Turkey asked for Patriot missiles as a defensive measure after several Turkish civilians were killed in cross border incidents.
But the recent Scud firings also clearly changed the alliance's view of the risks on the expanding battlefield.
"Scuds, which are medium surface-to-surface missiles, are particularly worrisome because they can carry chemical payloads," said Adm. James Stavridis, NATO's Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, in a posting on his blog.
Stavridis said the missiles will "protect major population centers in Turkey from any possible incursions into NATO airspace."
The 400 U.S. troops will comprise all support elements, including communications, intelligence and basic supply and transportation forces.
It was not clear yet which Patriot units would be sent, but U.S. military officials said it would likely be the most advanced version specifically designed to fire and hit incoming Scuds very quickly.
U.S. officers in charge of the actual fire control element of the system would be able to override the automatic firing mode. But the entire sequence of decisions happens within a few minutes of a Scud launch. So the reality is that troops in the field, rather than senior commanders at NATO headquarters in Brussels or in Washington, will be making those key decisions, according to those US military officials.
With the addition of Patriot batteries from Germany and the Netherlands, it is expected that a total of six Patriot systems will be deployed just a few miles from the Syrian border inside Turkey.
A U.S. military advance team is expected in Turkey within days for a final site survey.
A key issue officials said would be how to precisely place the Patriot missile radar elements to get maximum warning of a launch from inside Syria since it may not be certain where those launch points are located.
Not only would the Patriots pick up early warning of a launch, but so would overhead U.S. military satellites that are able to detect the initial infrared signature of a missile launch and then warn the Patriot units on the ground.
Stavridis confirmed that the U.S. units, along with the other Patriot batteries, will be directly tied into NATO's extensive air defense system in southern Europe.
"I will retain operational command responsibility for the deployment of the six Patriot batteries. Over the coming days and weeks, we will train and exercise the layers of command down to the actual Patriot battery to make sure we are ready to expeditiously engage any potential incoming missiles," Stavridis said.
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Despite what was on the news, the PAC-3 hardly ever worked correctly. And when it did, it was mostly luck......Not a System to depend on. And that is a shame.
Could you cite this for us internet guy?
Globalsecurity.com
Wrong... Just got back from the CAOC in CENTCOM from a 6 month deployment working with the ADA units in Al Dhafra, Al Udied and Bahrain. You know absolutely ZILCH...
I tend to agree with you. Saying that a missile hit it's target because of "luck" is just silly. And,blaming Bush for anything happening w/Syria and Turkey is just as silly.
The Patriot deployment was an abysmal failure. They were completely crushed by the Niners.
well played Bill, well played
Ah, but Bill, that was at home. How do the Patriots do on the road?
I think the important takeaway here is that if and when we have to deploy the PAC-3 locally within the US, we will be ready. Do not be misguided that this battery is for offense, for it is not. It's a shield and nothing more. Someone will try to occupy the US, and before they do, they will rain fire from the skies. Believe what you will about the US DoD, believe what you will. But understand that this technology is, can, and will be deployed to protect your backyard when the time comes. Do you want to exercise/test it now or later?
Yes...on a smaller scale I would like it to be tested now.
Pentagon is clearly full of nutcases. Why are we putting these up? I'm sure Russia is ok with this right? These ret4rds are going to start a new world war.
It's a defensive weapon being deployed on NATO soil. How does Russia have any say in this?
The nutcase who ordered the missiles to Turkey is Obama. Get a clue...the pentagon takes orders from HIM.
If a Scud, filled with Sarin accidentally or deliberately hit Turkey, you'd have a war. Turkey could invoke the NATO charter, and off we go. If said Scud is intercepted by a Patriot missile, we can all be more flexible to include saying, "Scud? What Scud? We just test fired a Patriot to test the system."
This sounds like some bright idea that's bound to turn into a bad idea fast!
This sounds like we need to dump our whole government and the pentagon in a lake somewhere so they come to their senses we don't need to defend Turkey or anyone else let these darn Islamic nuts take care of their selves are kill each other off. Bring our troops home all of them and quit being the defense for the rest of the world and defend this country against her enemies within
The US has tried the isolationist thing for periods in our history. As I recall, we took this stance before WWI and WWII. What we learned from these massive, destructive, costly wars is that if we just "mind our own business", then destructive powers become stronger and get more ambitious. What might happen if we just let North Korea build the bomb? Maybe nothing. Maybe everything we fear. And the fears we have aren't just our imaginary boogie men. You think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won't take a yard, if we give him an inch?
Turkey is a member of NATO. That means we are obligated to protect them as they are obligated to protect us. Obviously it's lopsided but that is how the NATO treaty works.
Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if the US DoD is really seizing this as an opportunity to install missile defense in spots that are useful for intercepting Iranian missiles. Iran's missile and nuclear capabilities present no threat to us right now, but a decade or two from now they might become a cause for concern and it's smart to seize on more immediate conflicts and use them as excuses to create a defense grid ahead of time. We installed batteries in Poland for the same reason. The technology isn't ready for prime time yet but hopefully it will someday, which bolsters the argument that the DoD is taking the longview here.
Ike was right. Here we go again
Picture is wrong. That's a PAC-3 launch, not a Patriot. The image appears to be the same one as is on this webpage, about the PAC-3 missile. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2012/january/mfc-013012-lm-receives-921-million-contract-for-pac-3-missiles.html Time for an update!!
Yeah..I noticed that too.
Maybe you should look into what "PAC" stands for there, expert.
hehehe!
Patriot Advanced Capability-3
Ding ding ding!
Merry Christmas from the NRA and Sarah Palin and all her gun loving teabaggers.
Thank you !
The Russians have responded by sending (in Syria NOW) their Iskander hyper-sonic missiles. Way to go, dummies.
WWIII, here we come. Russians finally have their warm water port in Tartus, Syria. They will fight for it.
the patriot is a purely defensive system.
This is stupidity at it's worst! Why should we fund a country that slaughtered over 1.8 Armenians back in 1915 and today are slaughtering Kurds like pigs in a pen simply because they want their well deserved independence? This is just more proof that the right-wing thugs in Washington have no sense of morality, only greed. This country desperately needs both a new President and Congress. These amoral politicians who are there now are unsavory at best!
Armenians were the ones to slaughter Turks and before that Caucasians first. During WWI evacuation of Armenians was necessary for safety. Gangs just like your PKK in the region were mostly responsible for killing the deported Armenians. Now PKK is killing Kurds and Turks and also smuggling drugs. You have lots of confusion and/or hatred, I know.. but it will all pass. Don't worry. If not within your lifetime, it will pass when you do.
It was not today's Government of Turkey that slaughtered the Armenians it was the Ottoman Turks, just like with Germany and the Jewish Holocaust (except Germany has owned up to it). But yes it was a government sanctioned genocide, not a bunch of gangs.
Thank you General Sherman for your imput. Yes, the Turks did murder over 1.8 million Armenians back in 1915 but do the politicians in Washington care? Of course not. The only two things that interests them is getting votes and lining their pockets!
Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse
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Before Connecticut tragedy, administration eliminated emergency preparedness program,let school violence prevention programs lapse
UPDATED 23:43 PM EST, December 14, 2012 | By John Solomon and Kimberly Dvorak
Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.
How true that is, crystal. I too am quite disgusted with Obama and his alligator tears over what happened in Connecticut, cutting back on school funding while spending billions more on the Patriot missiles. Barack Obama just wants to be politially correct. Unfortunately, the American public falls for it!
Crystal – Were there any security downgrades at the school? No. This is just your sick attempt to turn a tragedy into political mudslinging.
Spoken like a true Obama loving Tea Partier. Schools and libraries are closing, roads and bridges falling into disrepair and police and firemen are beihg laid off all because this bozo Obama wants to throw more money at the Pentagon and send these stupid missiles to Turkey. Thank you, The_Mick!
Not a Omama fan–but, the funds for school were buying dunking booths and jumping toys to make students feel better (safer) rather than purchasing security. Of course, this was all Bush's fault and the YouTube video.
This is an example of rapid deployment–going to take 31 days to get the Patriots to Turkey (from Europe). While Turkey is a NATO allie, it is hostile to Israel. Who and what is threatening NATO? It is time for the USA to come home from Europe and relie upon 'Reforger'–after all, it will only take 31 days to move the Patriots from Northwestern Europe to Southeastern Europe. Thus, if NATO/Germany ever comes under attack the USA should be able to be there within, just guessing, about 5-7 months. As always, this is Bush's fault or the YouTube video.
I thought the same thing about Turkey being hostile to Isreal. With NATO having command over this whose to say this will not be aimed against Isreal in the future?
Patriots are a defensive missile system, so why would you aim them at any country?
How about a no fly zone for Syria? That includes Scud missciles. Now we have the means to back it up. If Syria doesn't like it they can try to come over here and do something about it. Hmmm.... I don't think that will go well for him. Chem weapons detonated 10 miles in the air aren't very effective.
Wake up Stavridis and smell the coffee. The Islamist Turks will full you no matter what. They already have saboters inside Syria. They have already made up plans to fire missiles from inside Syria towards Turkey to provoke NATO. Are you people kidding us?
"I will be the leader! I will control it!" said Staphitis.
Patriot batteries to keep the war from spreading but moving US troops there is probably not a good idea . Assad needs a target and this gives him one. He still has lots of money and power . My bet is you will see these Patriot missile troops hit by terrorists and we will have war mongers in the Senate wanting to enter another stupid war .
We could take Bashiear down with 32 Marines. He would have zero chance of doing anything. We would send his army back in pieces.
The Turks are manipulating our Government for their own benefit. They have sided with the Muslim brotherhood and other radical elements.. Why do you need them? They are radical Islamists. They oppress the Kurds and they will use even chemical weapons against them, to prevent them from having their own free country. Wake up Clinton and Obama. R u smoking weed?
They are a secular nation and a member of NATO.
Your government? How and when did you enter the US, if you really are here? You don't even have proper writing skills! Go back to your cave!
David, So you don't think Reza is an American and so he should return to his cave because his name sounded like a "Muslim" name? Way to go moron!
@this guy:...listen man, with the amount of foreign aid Turkey receives from the good 'ol USA there should NEVER EVER be any mention of wat does the usa owe to turkey for korea and afhghanistan?? or any other nation that we dole out loot to.. smh.....i say patriot batteries are good but troops on the ground can be dicy especially if russia wants to aid syria.....lets all take a deep breath...but if push comes to shove..we have the capability to turn one of these nations harboring terrorist into a parking lot....i say remain quiet and carry a big stick...
Patriot Missile:
RIP Russian MIG's and MI's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD Bless The United States of America(and the other countries that helped build the missile,too)
F@uck the Islamist Turks. Let the Moslem brotherhood defend them. Bring the Patriots and our troops home now.
Exactly.
Who is paying for this? The government is in debt for $17,000,000,000,000, and counting. STOP DEPLOYING CRAP TO HELLHOLES!!! WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!!!!!!
WHERE WILL THIS, LEAD US INTO?
Where will this lead? Turkey. Didn't you read the article?
This leads to Turkey? What about Stuffing and Cranberry sauce?
400 Marines for the stuffing, and the airforce for the cranberry sauce. It's the Bashear central heating company.
OBAMA is a WAR MONGER.
that would require that our country gets something out of this. we are only helping out of obligation to our allies since they dont want to be hit by cross fire. get your facts straight you America hating nazi conservative traitor
Fail. Obama has got us into more wars than Bush. Still going strong in Afghanistan and added Libya, Yemen, and now Syria.
Amen!
Bill Duke, do not forget, it was Republicans [John McCane] that got mad at Obama for NOT signing a deal to keep US troops even longer in Afghan than the 2014 date. Libya was not a war started by us, we were just one of many NATO members performing tasks assigned by NATO.
That's what Adolf Hitler said about Winston Churchill. pot – kettle – black
But he fights a low cost war. The Libyans can tell you all about it.
PSST.
Your hatred is showing.
Beware of mission creep.
I guess the Turks are 'above-board' in all they do, LOL Even when they 'attack' the Kurds on Iraqi soil?? One poster suggested it's about the Oil & I tend to agree but it's also about 'Israel' & the ties to the US has with them.
12 billion annually to maintain those Patriot missile batteries. Each one of the 104F Pac 3's are 3.5 million each. Let's hope Panetta isn't planning on firing off too many of those. How does a bankrupt nation continue to play the role of world bully, when our own citizens are impoverished, and uninsured, and the countries infrastructure is crumbling around us.
World Bully? What are you talking about. We're defending against world bullies at the moment. You can't put a price on innocent lives, and as America, we have a moral duty to stand and fight for those who cannot themselves. If you don't like it you are more than welcome to leave this country.
Isn't it funny how the U.S. only gets involved when there is a benefit, aka oil or natural resources? Why doesn't the United States step in to help African nations?
Moral 'Obligation'??? That's a bundh of BS & why should one leave – it's much better to change the BS that the US Government(not the "PEOPLE") offers up to the rest of the world. What about the "Moral Obligation" to take care of our 'Down & Out' Citizens first??? Same old propaganda from idiots!!!
The US is helping Turkey because it's a member of NATO. We signed a mutual defense treaty. If you are that ignorant of the world, I suggest you Google up what NATO is and what it does. And no, there are no NATO member countries in Africa.
We have a duty to murder innocent pakistani children!
No sense in building them if you never put them in the field. A good training exercise at least.
Sounds like a restart in a new country would help your state of mind. Carrying a lot of anger and disappointment here.
12 billion? Missed where that came in, is it 12 billion to maintain all the Patriots and crews the US has? Certainly it's not to base 400 personal and two batteries in Turkey.
Bosnia etc, was certainly one place the US intervened, via NATO, like this, where we had nothing to gain, hmm, Somolia (unless it was to prevent pirates – though that's really a world problem), I imagine there are others. The fact is the US is the dominant economic force in the world, and we have interests in most countries, and all regions, oh, and energy, yeah, Syria and Turkey are really high on our suppliers list – not. Could be, but are not.
Turkey is the Wests best bet as a cultural and political link to the mid-east. It has strong, very strong western leaning that are being eroded by the same fundmentalists – politically controlled and directed by those seeking to establish dictatorships under their control (just look at the record – democratic fundementalist country, name one). One of the reasons fundementalism gains support is Turkeys repeated efforts to kiss up to the Euros, who consider them trash, and said no to any attempt to join the Euro. Leaving the US as Turkeys friend – forget NATO, NATO / the Euro zone would let Turkey rot. The US and Turkey enjoyed a special relationship for years, and was soured by our invansion of Iraq. We need to rebuild that relationship and get Turkey back on track to becoming more and more westernized, ie, freedom / free market loving, and to use them as the link to mid east politics.
Of course, live fire training is always good for the troops and helps hone the quality of the equipment / systems.
I (partially) agree with you...first the Patriots have higher reliability than they did 20 years ago. However, it now is "seasoned" to intercept Scuds as intended for its design requirement. Second, America maintains (P)ublic (R)elations with other nations. We have to accept that we are the "policemen" of the world; and of the last 10 or so years, we are nation builders. Do I want the person here at home with ALS/Lou Gherigs desease to live a normal life?? Sure I do. Unfortunately, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil...and unfortunately we do things that "look good", rather than, what is right.
You peoole are all idiots. The only western style city in turkey is ankara. The rest is no different than most camel villages across the middle east. Americans are there to scare the iranians.
We all know turkey is two face. The same way they screwed the Armenians is what they are going to do to Americans.
showing the sabre is one step better than simply rattling it. the fact that two other nato nations are also participating sends a firm warning.
It's just s small crack. The dam is fine.
Breaks always start with a small crack. Maybe it's just a crack now but what about tomorrow? Or the next day, next month, next year? Bit by bit the pressure builds until there's nothing to stop it.
Patriots and SCUDs? That's so 90s...
Now its all about s-300's and Unha-3's!!
the syrians are even using t-72 and t-55's. so nostalgic.
Hopefully they'll use it nuke the Jews. That way liberals can cheer.
Congratulations....you win the stupidest comment of the day award.
Turkey is a strong NATO member with the largest army in the Middle East. We have had an Air Force base there for decades. Incirlik. They have been and continue to be a strong, secular ally.
Hope you're not as stupid (or as ugly outside ans you seem to be inside) as your note implies.
REALLY STUPID COMMENT,
and you wonder why conservative thinking is dangerous, here is yet another fabrication of a false reality created by a reptilian race that cannot move forward in the evolutionary chain.
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You're pathetic!
Didn't Turkey kick America out of their country?
No, that was Iran. Turkey has been a strong, secular state before anyone in Europe.
No guts to publish the truth–ITS CALLED YELLOW JOURNALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, i can just see wnd and the rest of the lunatic right media.
Obama invades Turkey.
There is no way to avoid the scud missles. There is no way we can bring peace to the middle east, as we are part of the reason for the unrest. We takes sides-all sides, and eventually we are responsible for the whole confusing mess. If there were anything I would want for Christmas, it would be an end to the use of weapons to settle scores. That's what the table is for: discussion. But that isn't going to happen; look how many high ranking people would be outta jobs.
Turkey has acted as staging ground for the foreign terrorists attacking Syria. we are sending Patriot missiles to protect the terrorist staging/training bases.
You mean the Syrian patriots who are attempting to topple their dictator?
Ok, so now we have troops and equipment on the Turkish/Syrian border. We sent troops to Jordan. We just sent around 5000 troops back to Iraq and have sent SF troops into Africa. Meanwhile Obama has his drone kill lists and we are flying drones in other countries airspace. Muslim Brotherhood wins elections in Egypt and immediately attempts a power grab so we are sending advanced aircraft and tanks to them. We found out that our ambassador in Libya was helping funnel arms to Islamic rebels in Syria and was eventually killed by some of those same weapons. We still give billions of dollars to Pakistan and Karzi in Afghanistan even though we found out most of it will be stolen.
What Obamas aim is in all this i do not know. He is stirring up a mess. I do know its not the kind of foreign policy that makes me feel good.
I didn't know we sent troops to Jordan...
Just add the WWW part on
military.com/daily-news/2012/10/11/us-troops-sent-to-jordan-as-check-on-syria.html
Dated October 11 2012.
We have troops all over the world. You don't get to know about everything we do – it's called security.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced ON 12/15/2012 that he had signed orders for the Patriot missiles, emphasizing that he was sending a clear message to Syria that NATO will defend Turkey.
“”””"We've made very clear to them that were going to protect countries in this region," Panetta said."We have to act to do what we have to do to make sure that we defend ourselves and make sure that Turkey can defend itself."””””
please tell this stupid guy This is such a very smart move. I'm sure that MY kids are more safer in the schools NOW, all over the country.
Doesnt make my food any cheaper, my dollar worth anymore, my home values rise or a good paying job appear.
How about this America needs a landing pad and who to go to Turkey where turkeys live,just like the old west in America give the Indians booze and guns make it a little Even
WHY are we sticking our nose in yet another mess created by OBAMMER? Really? Turkey? Is there any country that we do not have to protect with our blood while they spit on us? Turkey is the same country sending boatloads of weapons to HAMMAS to attack Israel...boatloads. Egypt is now controlled by islamic terrorists (the brotherhood),,a dictator and Hillary/obama put him there. This administration is a bunch of democratic losers.
Are you serious? Before confusing countries to steam off your preconceived ideas, try to get some facts straight. Turkey does not send weapons to Hamas. US does. Turkey has been a good boy ally of US for almost 80 years. Please try not to confuse countries.
Turkish ships got caught trying to ship arms to Hamas and the PA. Remember the stink because people tried to blame the Jews for boarding the ship instead of condemning Turkey for trying to send it?
you people are talking about factions, not the government or possibly any part of it... get real.
don't check any facts before ranting......
Your father Bush made this WAR mess every where, Dont blame President Obama.
U ignorant.
Blaming Bush for Obamas foreign policy decisions is getting old and rather lame. Trust me, Bush would not have supported the Muslim Brotherhood or used Libya to funnel arms to Islamic rebels.
I've got to agree with William. I hated Bush more than I've hated any American in my 73 years. However, Obama has had almost four years to straighten out our foreign policy, and has done little, or nothing. I think it's time we started blaming Obama for his mistakes, and forget G.W.. I wonder if the Turks are providing security for those Patriot batteries, or if we're sending some infantry along to protect them? Back up your bags boys the next stop is Damascus! It's coming!
William
Do you write fiction for a living? If not, you should because you have a great imagination.
You need some therapy!
We have given our word and signed treaties to come to the aid of our friends and allies in NATO countries. That's why we're helping to protect Turkey. Do you understand what it means to give your word? Is your word worth anything?
The reason the United States has been so prosperous is because it has guaranteed the safety of all of its allies and trading partners, thus making the United States the hub of world trade and commerce. Now, we are living up to our guarantees. Turkey has been a robust, loyal ally of the United States for decades. They even fought along side us in the Korean War. Relations only soured recently when George W. Bush decided to wage an illegitimate war in Iraq.
Tony, are you saying that Hillary C and Obama rigged Egypt's election?
the massacre that happened in usa was great a good usa child is a dead one it was so cool boom and a bullet went through the flat face of a usa child.
O, khabees, sheram ker (shame on you) ager tayray bachay is school may hotay to?? ( what if your kids were in this school, how would you feel it? ) kiya islam ki ye taleem tujay milli hay Fitnay? (this is the islamic teaching your parents provided you. YOU devil !!!!!!!!
A fine example of todays "religion of peace". If indeed this isnt a fake post to stir up cr-p.
This is such a smart move. I'm sure the parents of kindergartners all over the country will feel much safer.
You know that the mideast does not respect the u.S.A. and dont respect themselves. Yet the u.s.a. sticks themselves where they dont belong. and always using b.s. like too protect us from danger... please the only way to protect us citizens is from ourselves.
Germany has already sent 400 soldiers with two pattriot battaries and now US also will send the same military help to turkey..it is to right to help for protect every NATO member's nation coming from any non nato member's any kind of military threating....turkey has been playing a significant role in afghanistan as a allied member of nato against taliban and others terrorist unit....
No way... Turkey has hooked us up and was the only democracy in Mid east for a long time...people from oppressed countries in Mid-East and Former soviet bloc have been saved by Turkey countless times. They also gave the West a foothold in the "Domino" times 1962-197. That alone gives them full free umbrella coverage!
A ridiculous action with dangerous precedent. Turkey has spent the past two years harboring and arming Syrian rebels and they can claim "self-defense" from NATO when Syrian artillery "accidentally" targets Turkish territory?
I guess any excuse would do for NATO (actually it's just the gullible USA – half of NATO doesn't even meet the compulsory military spending to remain a member) to enrich the defense contractors in purchasing unnecessary munitions at the expense of the American taxpayer.
where you guys get these "facts" I do not know. Turkey has a HUGE terrorism problem (almost as bad as Israel's terrorism problem, maybe even worse). That means it has outstanding grievances with Syria and Iraq for harboring terrorists. As a member of the "civilized" world, I doubt Turkey has any "plans" of their own, but abides by the plans made out for it.
I think the U.S.should be paid in Doner Kebabs!
nice...almost free abi
So now U.S funded equipment and personnel are defending Turkey... hmm... I think maybe Turkey should compensate the U.S for this help.
No problem as soon as US pays Turkey for their help during Korea and Afghanistan.