Official: Changes to Benghazi talking points made by intel community
By Pam Benson
The intelligence community - not the White House, State Department or Justice Department - was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points distributed for government officials who spoke publicly about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the spokesman for the director of national intelligence said Monday.
The unclassified talking points on Libya, developed several days after the the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, were not substantively changed by any agency outside of the intelligence community, according to the spokesman, Shawn Turner.
Republican criticism of the talking points intensified last Friday following a closed door hearing with former CIA Director David Petraeus.
Rep. Peter King, R-New York, told reporters after the hearing that the original talking parts drafted by the CIA had been changed and it was unclear who was responsible.
"The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaeda involvement and yet final ones just said indications of extremists," King said.
The September 11 attack resulted in the death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
The unclassified talking points were first developed by the CIA at the request of the House Intelligence Committee, whose members wanted to know what they could say publicly about the Benghazi attack.
Benghazi talking points omitted link to al Qaeda
The initial version included information linking individuals involved in the attack to al Qaeda, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the drafting of the talking points. But when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, there was a decision to change "al Qaeda" to "extremists." The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes.
"First, the information about individuals linked to al Qaeda was derived from classified sources," the official said. "Second, when links were so tenuous - as they still are - it makes sense to be cautious before pointing fingers so you don't set off a chain of circular and self-reinforcing assumptions. Third, it is important to be careful not to prejudice a criminal investigation in its early stages."
Some Republican members of Congress suggested the change came from within the Obama administration - from the White House, the Justice Department, or another government agency.
Turner, the spokesman for National Intelligence Director James Clapper, said that was not the case.
"The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback," Turner said, referring to the White House, Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and FBI. "There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community," he said.
The House Intelligence Committee was not satisfied with Turner's statement.
"The statement released this evening by the DNI's spokesman regarding how the Intelligence Community's talking points were changed gives a new explanation that differs significantly from information provided in testimony to the Committee last week," said committee spokeswoman Susan Phalen. "Chairman Rogers looks forward to discussing this new explanation with Director Clapper as soon as possible to understand how the DNI reached this conclusion and why leaders of the Intelligence Community testified late last week that they were unaware of who changed the talking points."
The White House on Friday said it made only one change, substituting the word "mission" for "consulate."
The FBI requested a change in language which originally stated the U.S. "knew" Islamic extremists participated in the attack. According to a U.S. intelligence official the wording was changed to "there are indications" Islamic extremists participated.
Obama administration continues explanations on Benghazi decision-making
The drumbeat of criticism began early on with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration for publicly saying the attack grew out of a spontaneous protest against an anti Muslim video on the web even though the Republicans claim the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack.
The harshest criticism has focused on Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who used the talking points as the basis for comments she made on Sunday talk shows five days after the attack. During her appearances, Rice said a small number of people came to the mission in reaction to demonstrations occurring in Cairo over the anti-Muslim film, but the Benghazi protest was hijacked by armed extremists. She never mentioned terrorists.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said this isn't about parsing words. "There was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. That's my concern," Rogers said last Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Former CIA Director Petraeus told lawmakers last Friday there were multiple streams of intelligence, some that indicated Ansar al Sharia was behind the attack, according to an official with knowledge of the situation. But other intelligence indicated the violence at the Benghazi mission was inspired by protests in Egypt over the anti Muslim video.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, told CNN on Monday that Petraeus explained why the talking points were changed.
"Gen. Petraeus made it clear that that change was made to protect classified sources of information, not to spin it, not to politicize it and it wasn't done at the direction of the white house. That really ought to be the end of it, but it isn't. So we have to continue to go around this merry go round, but at a certain point when all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on," Schiff said.
CNN's Dana Bash contributed to this report.
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Repubs have more anger towards President Obama than the actual killers.
Enjoy your last days GOP. Humanity has no need for you anymore
If the president had done his job in the months, weeks, days, and even hours prior to the attack, there would be no killers, because the boosted security would have prevented such an attack. So I understand why republicans are upset. How would you feel if someone came in and murdered your family and the president was warned about it and did nothing? would you be happy with him?
LMAO!!
why the faux anger now? Embassies have been attacked before and people died. Lets cut to the chase...you are on a witchhunt and let Fox news rile you up..
baa baa
3000 Americans died on 911
because BUSH didnt do HIS job.
Next.
Sully, didn't you get Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's memo.
On Monday he called on Republicans to "stop being the stupid party".
FYI – All of Fox's attempts to make the President look bad didn't and won't work.
He won the election.
He won the popular vote.
He won every battle ground state.
Time for you and Fox to come up with a different game plan.
You Conservative voters bark and clap on command – like trained seals – for:
Death Panels
Benghazi
Socialist Indoctrination of Children
Gen. Petraeus was not prevented by Obama from putting his hoo-hoo in that psycho broad's twinkie
Obama screamed “Allah is Great!” while the American ambassador was being burned alive
etc.
ad nauseum
No one will ever mistake Conservatism for patriotism, that’s for sure.
Yep Mike... you are a good sheep, oblivious to the slaughter that is coming our way.
Funny how the libs constantly accuse their opponents of what they, themselves, are truly guilty of.
Perhaps you prefer the "security" of tyranny to the freedom fought for by our Forefathers.
Such as the tyranny of Lincoln?
Benghazi in a nutshell:
video emerges mocking Muhammad...protests in the muslim world...embassy decries video...4 Americans are slain...initial intelligence conflates terrorist attack and protests to a video...Mitt Romney accuses Obama of apologizing...White House disavows embassy for decrying video...further intelligence indicates terrorist attack...Fox News accuses white house of lying...idiots side with Fox...Susan Rice becomes scapegoat...Obama defends her...intelligence community basically says our bad, we weren't sure what happened at first, so we used ambiguous language to hedge our bets...idiots still side with Fox.
This is why the GOP will soon be extinct
no the idiots like you believe what the bias media writes. You are just as bad as the "idiots that watch fox." you think fox is bias, well so is CNN. so is EVERY news media outlet. The idiots arent the ones who are watching FOX, the idiots are the ones who think that only FOX is has bias. i.e. YOU
There's a difference between a slant and an outright, blatant bias, and it isn't a subtle one.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. And the vast majority of critics agree that of all the major news networks, FOX has the least amount of bias. But please, continue to bash FOX because thats all most liberals can do. you are unable to think for yourself, you rely on the liberal media to think for you. Also, even if FOX was as bad as you say it is, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? Either you watch it, which makes you a hypocrite, or you just take the word of rival networks, which makes you dumber than I originally though. so which are you? BTW, I am not a conservative, I am just tired of being associated with you ignorant people.
All of the global media corporations in the world have been in a secret socialist conspiracy to hide the Shining Light of Conservatism for five generations. They do this because they are evil and want good people to suffer. (It used to be a Communist conspiracy, but then the Soviet Union collapsed and overnight it became transformed into a socialist conspiracy. No Conservative apparently noticed the change.)
All of the polls, all of the scientists, all of the PhDs, and all universities have joined in that world-wide socialist conspiracy since 1932. Their goal is persuade voters that Liberalism is good when they know it is evil.
Scientists are all liars. They fake scientific results and poll findings. They have been doing this since FDR was President. They will do anything evil for tenure and government grants. They fake their experiments so the results agree with Liberalism. Sometimes ‘the government’ orders them to produce certain results, like the Global Warming Hoax.
All government statistics have been faked and changed to make “Liberals” in government look good, and they cannot be believed. This is because government is evil and all government employees are evil when a Democrat is in the White House. All government employees lie to make Obama look good.
(Escape Clause: However, if those same government agencies produce statistics that make Conservatives look good, then they can be believed and trusted.)
If it’s from PBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ABC/CNN it’s a lie. They do not print news. They simply try to sway elections by printing false news. They have been doing this since Hitler invaded Poland because they hate America.
God is a Conservative Free-Market Republican. So is Jesus. So is the Holy Ghost. So were the apostles. So were the early followers of Jesus. So was the first Pope. So was Martin Luther.
Mormonism is not Christianity unless the Republican nominee is a Mormon, in which case Mormonism is just another Protestant denomination, like Presbyterians or Baptists.
Does that sound sane to anyone?
And by critics you mean Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. CNN has a liberal slant. Fox has a conservative bias. The crazy thing is Fox calls CNN "mainstream media" when Fox News and conservative talk radio heads get the lion's share of the viewers. Figure that one out.
A.Starks – you're correct, Mucho Socialist National Barack Channel (MSNBC) has an outright bias – they rubber stamp everything o-blame-a says, RATHER than doing their JOB as the media, and QUESTIONING the Government, holding their feet to the fire, and ensuring that the Gov is in check.
They are essentially the SS propaganda machine. And you eat it right up!!
So, our intelligence wasn't sure what happened, but Libya's knew what happened immediately. That doesn't raise any type of red flag for you?
No red flags here. Do you have a point?
Yes, Mark. The point should be obvious.
so obvious you cant state it? LMAO!!!
So obvious, that you're too stupid to understand it. My point is, I don't trust the explanation being given. Form a bipartisan committee, and perform an investigation into this report. Why was our intellignece so lacking? Why were other embassies evacuated, but ours wasn't? If you don't want answers, that's sad. Let the truth, be known, and it already has been made known, then confirm it for the American people and put this nonsense behind us. Does that sum it up for you Mark?
its so obvious that even a Zombama like you can pick it up...
What is ridiculous about your little story: Where are the Liberals demanding the heads of the ones that made the Obama Administration look like idiots AND responsible for the propagation of LIES to the American people before the election?
Maybe they don't want to know because it is still another cover up story.
These partisan hacks defending the Obama Administration know they would be screaming up and down if this was the Bush Administration.
Sure, it's all a cover-up. Just like his Kenyan birth and his selling crack to get passing grades at Harvard. It all makes sense now. Thank you.
Actually,
1993 WTC Trade Center is bombed – blind cleric Omar is put in jail
1998 U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania bombed
2000 USS Cole
Clinton Administration ends.
2001 WTC destroyed
Iraq and Afghanistan invaded
Middle East gets the message, Saudis, Libya, Syria, etc crack down on terrorists.
No more attacks
2008 – Community Reinvestment Act comes home to roost. Bail outs happen, to the tune of 7.7 trillion.
2010 – Inflation in communities markets due to US currency printing press, man sets himself on fire in Tunisa because he can't pay his bills.
2011 – Arab Spring. Bin Laden dream fulfilled. Secular dictators overthrown, Islamic regimes put in place. New Egyptian president requests blind cleric that bombed WTC in 1993 to be released.
2012 – Sept 11. Libya embassy attacked over a movie. CIA director resigns, sent memo to White House stating terror but was revised by the very intel community he lead? Sure why not.
What is the US response going to be to the Libya attack? Nothing.
"Hey Joe, the embassy in Benghazi wants more funds for security. What should we do?"
"Well, Barack Hussein, our goal of course is to encourage Islamic terrorists to kill as many Americans as possible. I don't see how giving the embassy more security will help us meet that goal."
"Just what I was thinking, Joe! You are a terrific vice president. I hear that terrorists are planning a major attack on the embassy there. I'm afraid that if we give them a couple more Marines, some of the terrorists might get hurt. After all, those terrorists have families. I don’t want anything bad to happen to them."
"I couldn't agree more, Hussein. Let’s deny their pleading requests for more security. None of the Conservatives here in Washington will figure out that we're setting up an American ambassador to be snuffed. Those guys are as stupid as a sack of hair."
"Even if they do realize what we did, we'll just lie our way out of it. That's what we've always done and it has always worked before. The only thing that scares me are those brilliant Conservative bloggers on CNN. I hope to Allah those noble patriots don’t catch on to what we’re up to.”
Your stupidity gives stupid people a bad rep. Too much kool-aid is not good for you...
what a pu to....................................
Embassies and consulates attacked under Bush, which gets a pass from conservatives because he is conservative...
2002 U.S. Embassy Karachi, Pakistan: 10 killed, 51 injured
2004 U. S. Embassy bombed in Uzbekistan: 2 killed, several injured.
2004 U.S. Consulate Saudi Arabia: 8 killed
2006 US. Embassy Syria: 1 killed, several injured
2007 U.S. Embassy -Athens: building bombed with an anti-tank grenade...fortunately no one was in the building at the time.
2008-U.S. Embassy – Serbia: 1 dead; Embassy set on fire
2008- U. S. Embassy- Yemen- bombed 10 killed
Once again Obama gets a pass and throws the Intel community under the bus.
Either the President is so out of touch and hence so incompetent or as I think everybody knows this is a cover up and somebody has to take the fall.
This President has been dishonest and misleading the American people and having a state owned media he doesn't need any accountability.
You will soon be like Russia.
All of the global media corporations in the world have been in a secret socialist conspiracy to hide the Shining Light of Conservatism for five generations. (It used to be a Communist conspiracy, but then the Soviet Union collapsed and it became a socialist conspiracy.)
All of the polls, all of the scientists, all of the PhDs, and all universities have joined in that world-wide socialist conspiracy since 1932.
Scientists are all liars. They fake scientific results and poll findings. They have been doing this since FDR was President.
All government statistics have been faked and changed to make “Liberals” in government look good, and they cannot be believed.
However, if those same government agencies produce statistics that make Conservatives look good, then they can be believed and trusted.
If it’s from PBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ABC/CNN it’s a lie. They do not print news. They simply try to sway elections by printing false news. They have been doing this since Hitler invaded Poland.
God is a Conservative Free-Market Republican. So is Jesus. So is the Holy Ghost. So were the apostles. So were the early followers of Jesus. So was the first Pope (Peter).
Does that sound sane to anyone?
This response has the same impact as the first time you posted it...none.
mmm hmmmm, koo koo time has arrived. Ambassador Rice repeated the info she was given to say. no scandal, no conspiracy. can you loonies and Fox Noise please talk about something more positive?
Obama already said he knew within 24 hrs. Remeber Candy's prompt defence??
Now lets just all forget about Obama's UN speech, 10 day talking points and media lap poodles.., move along, nothing to see here.
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As suspected, all the hype about U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice 'protecting the White House', etc., is no more than another attempt by Republicans to make our President look bad. Politicians should be forced to determine the truth behind their statements, before they open their mouths.
This whole thing looks so ridiculous to me and so obviously a move during elections to make Obama like the Jimmy Carter they were trying to sell him as. I know many Fox News (not) viewers probably believe there was some conspiracy but for most sensible people it appears what it is... a witch hunt by the GOP.
So the CIA director has an extra martial affair exposed, resigns and now the intel guys take the blame. How convenient.
At least no one got the Ron Brown treatment.
Oh, forgot. The ambassador got Ron Brown'ed.
If Broadwell had been provided with free birth control pills from the federal government, none of this would have happened.
Or dated Sandra Fluke.
so if they wanted to be cautious and not point fingers ... why did they point fingers at the creator of the video?
Something still smells fishy to me ...
Remember, just three years ago, you actually believed in Death Panels.
You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
*sign* Republicans are at it again. Trying to drum up a conspiracy instead of doing their jobs. That's why America considers the Republicans the party of Angry. No ideas – just angry that they're ideas are old, tired, and obsolete. C'mon repubs, put the conspiracies and hatred behind you – evolve already – it's okay, nothing to be afraid of.
The Republican Goal is still subversion. Republicans intend to gridlock government, make Americans suffer, frighten Americans about the future, and punish Americans until we give in and vote for them.
Essentially, the Republican Party is holding the nation hostage. They are so fanatical that they would rather cause an economic, political, and social collapse of the nation rather than compromise.
yES, THEY COULD EVOLVE IN TO GAY LOVING RUMP RANGERS NOW COULDN'T THEY?
Well, that WOULD be an improvement.
Amen to that! The republican party is just useless. They blow everything out of proportion for partisan points. McCain was spewing criticism about not getting information at the same time as he was missing the special meeting to give him the information. For those blaming our President for lack of security, look to the GOP in congress who voted against funding more security for our embassies overseas. Republicans stop overlooking your party's share of the blame in many of our country's problems. You only hear half the story on Fox, the half they want you to hear. They also act outraged over just about everything, thereby inciting outrage in their viewers, who are only getting half the story. It makes you look ignorant. Start getting your news from additional sources, not ultra-conservatives ones.
The problem is simple: Republicans do not understand the meaning of the word 'intelligence'. It was obvious to me, from the start, that this was a terrorist attack, and it was also obvious to me, from the start, that there were certain aspects that were classified and therefore we were not getting the entire story. Since when does the public ever get the entire story right out of the gate? Never, that is when.
However, Republicans want something with which to criticise our President. They are foaming at the mouth to get something to impeach him with. Sorry, Repubs. Not gonna happen. Now go crawl back into your trailers and have another warm beer. The world is better off with you keeping your traps shut.
Speaking of "Conservatives" and "Intelligence"
LONDON, March 2, 2010 (UPI) - More intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals, a researcher at the London School of Economics and Political Science suggests.
Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist, says "evolutionarily novel" preferences and values are those that humans are not biologically designed to have and our ancestors probably did not possess.
In contrast, those that our ancestors had for millions of years are "evolutionarily familiar."
Kanazawa argues that humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends, and being liberal - caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers one has never meet or interacted with - is evolutionarily novel.
Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health support Kanazawa's hypothesis. Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as "very liberal" have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as "very conservative" have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence, Kanazawa says.
You are absolutely right. This is why republicans wage war against science and education. The truth hurst them, facts throw them off, intelligence scares them.
Then why was the bin Laden story all over creation right after it happened. No matter which way you apologizers try to spin this, Obama said it was his lie and his fault. So why are you "people" trying to get him out of it. It is not like he hasn't made a mistake before and you are trying to save a perfect record. Admit it, he lied and is throwing anyone he can under the bus.
Sorry kid. You're not making sense. Try just listening.
Were you trying to prove my point, demov? If so, well done.
It seems to me CNN and the Republicans in Senate and House need to either say President Obama LIED or they need to accept the explanation. CNN has bias with regards to Benghazi as Anderson Cooper and co. read Ambassador Stevens journal after the State Department said not to–CNN is the one with the problem here–it seems to me Congress should look into any wrong doing with regards to CNN–also what really was going on in Benghazi? What is the CIA doing there? Who are these militias and where did they get their training(IRAQ?). Who are the bad Militias(What affiliations) Is there really a holding cell for militants? Does Libya have a military or are they relying on militias? Where are these answers–enough with the John Mccain( Mccain has been wrong on foreign policy his whole career)
My sentiments exactly!, thanks. These are the answers we have been waiting for months. This would be doing investigating reporting instead CNN keeps interviewing peter king on the importance of
“al qaeda- affiliated VS extremist militants”…
Yeah but that still doesn't explain FAST & FURIOUS or when Hillary shot VINCE FOSTER.
If Bush had never been elected, if 9/11 never happened, if there hadn't been reports that it was coming, if I didn't have friends and family sent to Iraq under false pretenses, and IF YOU SAME HYPOCRITES DIDN'T DEFEND BUSH THE WHOLE TIME, your fake Benghazi outrage would have some credibility. But those things did happen, so you know what you can go do to yourselves. Bush:Obama = most outrageous double standard in history.
You sound rather hypocritical as well...
How so? Explain, please.
If you say it with no reasoning behind it... well then it must be true!
Explain myself? ROTFLMFAO...
To those who say, "Stop blaming Bush" I reply:
You remind me of a spoiled teenager who took the family car on an unauthorized joyride. He got the brake mixed up with the gas pedal and he drove the car through the back wall of the garage, through the neighbor’s fence and it now sits – totally underwater – in the neighbor’s swimming pool.
His father says to the boy, “Look at the mess you made! Do you realize how long it’s going to take to fix all this and do you realize how expensive it’s going to be?”
The teenager replies “Wait a minute! Don’t blame me! This is all YOUR fault for leaving the keys where I could get them. Also, we’re talking about ancient history here. The car is now YOUR problem, not mine! Don’t shake your finger at ME!! What has happened in the past cannot be changed! I know you don't like it, but no one ever said life was going to be fair!”
The Clinton/Gore Team stopped the LA Airport Attack. With as many dots out there, a COMPETENT & Non-Ideological Team which Prez. Al Gore would have kept in place, PROBABLY would have stopped the 9-11-01 Attack.
While the Idiot-in-Chief is out mispronouncing the names of respected world figures the Benghazi scandal continues to unfold. The central question still remains unanswered. For almost two weeks after the Benghazi attack, why did the administration push the notion of this video? We can all get mired in the details of the cover-up but I still don't hear us asking why the cover up? Was it the election? If so didn't the public have a right to know to make an informed decision? Watergate was nothing folks. This was an intent to completely mislead the American public regarding a terrorist attack!!! Think about that people, our government tried to hide a terrorist attack from us! Do you hear that CNN? Or do you just want to cover your ears and hope it goes away. Is that what the media does?
Bush never mispronounced ANYTHING!
so out of that whole paragraph, all you got was 'mispronounced' part. typical.
There were protests related to the video. That actually happened too. It's not hard to see how those could be conflated...if you have a brain.
GWB single-handedly foisted off the pronunciation of nuclear as "NUKULAR," and his sycophants all picked it up as if it were correct. You can still identify ignorant right wing nut jobs by the way they say "NUKULAR."
Nookaler.
What is the benefit of hiding a terrorist attack? What are you implying? Speak from your head and not your Fox
Um...you can't be that dense. Trying to cover up, or soft pedal, a terrorist attack on 9/11 under your watch toward the end of election season ...makes plenty of sense.
Chicago, showing so much emotions against someone tells certainly a story in itself. But again , I think the real issue here is , why was there a CIA operation under the umbrella of the embassy. Eventhough it has been done like this in many cases before , the CIA – and especially the person in charge- should have carefully judged and prepared for the risks resulting. This is primarily a scandal within the CIA decision making in this should be clarified before the guys there again risk the lifes of others . – Eventually the resignation of our now-former CIA head has a different reson then his affair...
This story isn't even on FoxNews which means every word of it must be true!
yes, because everything on Mucho Socialist National Barack Channel (MSNBC) is sooooo "true" and "unbiased" isn't it??? (rolls eyes).
Quit being a SHEEP!!
Chicago, where is your proof? not your suppositions, not your attempts to sway opinion, but hard facts to support your position?
Attention Conservatives: The Benghazi yarn needs some work. It is not a lie with traction, like Death Panels or Liberal Media.
Let's put something about Kenya into it. How about this?
"Guns were smuggled by Fast & Furious through Mexico to Communist Venezuela and then transported by Kenyan Navy Vessels to Benghazi, where the ambassador was selling them to Islamic terrorists. The income from the weapons sales went to finance Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics.
"It was Obama himself who had the compound burned in an effort to destroy the evidence, which is why Obama refuses to close Guantanamo."
Go with that. I think you'll see that is has a lot more traction.
You guys can’t govern, but your Propaganda is very good; crude but powerful.
Benghazi scandal? Sure. Whatever you say, wingnut.
The whole world knew of these attacks as soon as they happened, how can anyone claim they were covered up? When did the administration ever claim these attacks didn't happen or try to suppress any news about these attacks? Never, this is such a made up controversy by republicans who have been terrific failures as leaders and are desperately trying to grasp at anything to besmirch the president.
Just another loyal soldier falling on the proverbial sword to save this Administration. Haven't enough career public servants died this way? Will there be not end to this madness??? Tears, tears, crocodile tears...
RE: It was the "intelligence community" that said it was "not a preplanned attack" and it was a "spontaneous protest" which just so happened to occur on the cherished jihadist anniversary of 9/11.
1.) GIVE ME THEIR NAMES AND TELL ME WHY ARE THEY STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
2.) TELL ME WHY THE PRESIDENT WAS SO DISENGAGED, HE DIDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH WHEN EVEN THE LIBYAN PRESIDENT KNEW IT WAS A PLANNED ATTACK.
You hate Obama. That is the issue. You don't give a crap about those dead Americans at all.
In fact, Conservatives were delighted and thrilled at the news of the death of the American ambassador during Obama's term. They have since been distorting and embellishing the story as they always do.
On the day of the ambassador’s death, Fox News showed video of Conservatives dancing in the streets of Birmingham, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix. They were chanting, “Hooray for Romney!” and “We’ve got Hussein now!” and “Death to the Kenyan” and “This is almost as good as Death Panels.”
Yo El Whaco, Me thinks thou doth protest too much, I feel.....
And you don't care about honest elections. Whatever it takes to get elected right (when it comes to your party)?
You would be screaming up and down if this was Bush. Wouldn't you? Admit it.
Not really. Dems gave Bush the benefit of the doubt multiple times, and it got 7000 Americans killed between 9/11 and Iraq.
No we hate stupid people that can't look at the facts and realize they don't add up....
WOW, you sure are demanding. I hope you realize that no one is really listening!
Do you scream out loud while typing in caps? I'll bet you do. That makes me smile.
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One fact that is not getting nearly enough press:
Paul Ryan and the Republican house cut the EMBASSY SECURITY BUDGET by $300 million. Make a note of that. The request from Benghazi for more security could not be approved because we DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY. Maybe one of you malcontent Republicans would like to go into your own pockets now to replace this $300 million? I mean, we'd hate for this to happen again, right? We need to protect our people, right? The republicans cut the embassy security budget, right? So.... why don't all you finger pointers dig deep and come up with $300 million for the lives of Americans abroad.
And so far, no Conservative has proposed an increase in the funding for embassy security, even though they are weeping for the poor Ambassador and his co-workers.
That budget issue has proven to be a non-factor in the Benghazi attacks. Why do liberals keep bringing it up?
You don't care about lies to the American public weeks before an election but you care about DIVERSIONS.
Cantor, a Republican, was aware of the situation well before the elections and kept his mouth shut....try again though. So far you guys are 0-3 on the 3 degrees to Obama with the Benghazi thing.
Seriously though, why don't you guys hold up a mirror once and a while. Considering you claim to be the group of accountability, it would sure be novel for one person representing the party takes some. How do you reconcile the victim argument you've espoused for some 30 odd years when in fact your entire strategy up to this point as been how best to displace responsibility.
There was not enough money to put 47 million people on welfare/food stamps, but there are...there was not enough money to continuously extend unemployment benefits, but they did! Nice try with the 'they did not have the money' defense. The LAST thing this president is worried about is how much money he spends, because no matter what, it's Bush's fault, just like it will be in 4 more years.
It's not given press, because it is incorrect. The 300 million was not a cut to security. It was 300 million cut to the maintenance, operation and security. Please don't cherry pick to further your agenda.
Please read your comments before hitting Post....
Jon do think these things through before you post?! Even in the years when we had deep cuts in the military, we still redeployed our scarce resources to respond to threats when they presented themselves. The cuts were never an excuse to not respond appropriately.
Even if security was weakened due to cuts (and that is a big if), the response for more security should have been properly vetted and then the appropriate forces should have been redeployed. The fact was this was not done and that is the issues. Americans did not die because of budget cuts, they died because of incompetency.
I seriously doubt if the President was the approving authority for this but he should have been the person who launched an investigation to find out how this could have happened to one of his ambassadors. There is a difference between accountability and responsibility; the President was responsible for finding out the truth of what happened and then someone should have been held accountable for incompetency that lead to the death of US citizens.
By your own logic all I have to say is "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and your entire argument is blown utterly and completely from the water.
To say, in hindsight I might add, that it was a simple solution of moving folks around or reading tea leaves is a clear illustration to just how shallow your thought processes are. Boiling down an incredibly complex situation to satisfy your need for back-alley justice is not something this country is interested in doing any longer.
If the last two beatings weren't enough, all I will offer as a recommendation is that you'd better figure this out or you won't have a party to align with very much longer.
I think the entire discussion about "who said what when , who modified what when" is completely missing the point.
Looking beyond all political talks , what you can identify is the following:
1) There has been a CIA operation undercover using the embassy as umbrella to support (guide?) the activities against Gaddafi
2) This has been a civil war environment , therefore the CIA must have known , how much the risk anything for the embassy people – and should have been prepared for any attack
The real scandal here is that no media is pointing to this issue and focuses on identifying the responsible staff for these decisions.
Even though it will not bring live back to the people lost , it should be clarified. But also needs to be taken into account , that US still is loosing brave soldiers in Afganistan (about 20 a month!!), and it seems that evryone is in denial about that.
I keep asking the same question. And also, why did Patraeus testify on Friday that he did not know who changed the talking points? Doesn't he know what's going on in his own department? Or did Fox news leave that detail out of its report? I mean, everyone keeps screaming, Who [in the administration] made the changes to Patraeus's report? Why are we speculating at all if it was the "intelligence community?" Why wait so long to come clean?
Mike Rogers is nothing but a damn lying fool that should be prosecuted, he calls the Intelligence community a bunch of liars, of which is is no.
Tea Baggers become CIA operatives on the internet when they want to belabor a conspiracy theory.
They become economists when it comes to budget talks, scientists when we talk of climate change and theologists whenever they need a quick biblical reference.
I would call them enlightened, but no group this separated from reality can ever be mistaken for enlightened.
you forgot MD's when it comes to discussion of women's anatomy.
Don't forget Theologians when they need to tell everyone else their religion is sub-par or their moral compass is off kilter.
Obama lied and people died...because if the White House knew what happened in retrospect, they could time travel back to the night before and kill all the bad guys before it happened. Makes perfect sense.
Was Susan Rice a female human shield for the President?
You got that wrong. It was Condolezza Rice that was a shield for the president......
I know they all probably look the same to you, but there is a difference.
This admistration thinks we are all stupid.
Or just you.
No starks...it is people like you that have emboldened the administration due to your mindless belief of what you want to see instead of what is there. You are just a liberal version of the same right you attack and slander.
OR. JUST. YOU.
Hey you found your cap lock key! That is a pretty impressive feat given the intellectual capacity you have displayed in your postings on this article! Heck you even managed to put together three one syllable words in a way that most first graders could; impressive!
My point still stands. Take a good long look in the mirror, hypocrite. You spent 8 years defending Bush as he sent our brothers and sisters to die. Yet you you're ready to lynch Obama over political hearsay. Take a good look.
Bush was crucified for following "bad" intelligence leading up to Irag war. Maybe the same treatment should be accorded Obama...
And the story of the unnacountable President keeps being written........
"The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes."
– Whenever the word "legitimate" is used lately, take it with a grain of salt.
Wait a minute, so changes were made after the CIA Director approved the points and they didn't inform him? Heads should roll.
here we go blame Betrayus... it was his fault then Bush's fault for giving him command in irag
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McAlzheimer's, the GOP Benghazi point-man, was last seen roaming the halls of the Senate asking people where he lived..
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He is one breath away from screaming, "Get off my lawn!".
Actually "some say" (to borrow a FOX term) there is video of him running around the White House lawn saying just that. That would explain what is really going on here.
wow, nice respect you have for a decorated war hero who was being tortured while o-blame-a & you or your parents were smoking dope.
You aren't exactly helping the situation officer.
Next time you feel the need to police folks on their level of respect for someone, you might want to take heed of your own advice and lead by example. Anything else would look like you are stooping to reach their level....and since we are now aware you would never do that, I figured I would help clarify for ya.
You're welcome! And regardless of party affiliation, I hope you have a wonderful holiday and a very prosperous year.
Here's a pro-tip: The last line is more of what you should've led with to drive your point home 😉
I have serious problem with the explaination. There is plenty of great source material on how field agents are intensively trained to generate concise reports that communicate the confidence level of the information given. The CIA's job is to generate accurate information not determine policy. What we are being told is that the FBI requested that the public talking points were changed to either contracdict what was probably already known or to mislead supposedly to protect classified sources.
The problem is that once you contradict what you suspect is the truth instead of saying "YOU DONT KNOW" that becomes a policy decision. The reason why the Repubs on the Intelligence Community are up in arms is they understand the process from field agent to analyist. The implication is that the FBI is driving policy which does not make sense. If the release of this information jeapordizd a criminal investigation the classified material stays classified and you say nothing. It does not matter if the public is clamoring for an explaination. Justifying a misleading statement for policy reasons implys someone within the political branch demanded it or the inteligence community broke protocol.
As an asside multiple foreign news organizations were stating that the attack was terrorist based within a week. So I find the explaination of protecting classified sources ridiculous.
You don't like Obama and you won't accept any statement which is not critical of him. You are blinded by your hatred.
Most honest Americans just want the truth and it doesn't matter who's in the White House you clown.
And you are blinded by your partisanship...how you can you not have questions as to how this whole event has been handled? The story seems to change weekly.
It really didn't change that much at all: they weren't exactly sure what happened at first; then they were. Fox News tried to claim they were always sure. The intelligence community just came out and said we were kinda sure, but we weren't completely sure, so we hedged our bets.
You'll have a problem with any explanation that doesn't involve a massive conspiracy on Obama's part.
1. If they weren't sure then they should've said we're not sure or we're investigating. Instead they purposefully misled.
2. It isn't a big Obama conspiracy, but rather a petty Obama campaign cya on terrorism not 'being on the run' that had led to the controversy over the misleading talking points.
3. There was no good reason to blame a video that by that time all officials knew had nothing to do with attack.
One of those republicans was talking about this policy decision. What policy decisions were made based on that information? There was nothing done in the time since that incident at all. If your only problem with this is that YOU feel that they should have said nothing, then that is an internal one and not worthy of yet another republican hearing/investigation based in political gamesmanship and not on finding out what happened and how to resolve it.
And the band will always play on. So don't just stand around with your panties in a bunch playing monday night quarterback, get in the real game, join the FBI, CIA, hell, run for political office or just move on.
Excellent points Steve.
Either these defenders do not know the magnitude of the lies or they are mindless. Which is it?
I'm sure you had a point in mind.
Where were you during the Bush years? Oh that's right: being patriotic.
I guess it's the magnitude, the importance and whether there are lies are not. If they lied, why? What possible difference would it make? And how do you know what everyone knew at that moment. You don't. This whole thing is blown WAY out of proportion and has the sour flavor of a witch hunt.
And I seem to remember a president who was very comfortable lying about who was behind an attack. Those lies resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 people including over 4,000 US service personnel.
Gimme a break. This is s non-story.
There are quite a few double standard experts on here today. You guys need to step back and realize this has happened many times before, but you don't hear the same conspriacies nutbags. I do agree that Obama needs to make sure we have new guidlines implemented for all of our embassies to avoid any future crisis. I don't agree that we blame every situation on the President. He is the man in charge, but let's be realistic.
So far, no Conservative has recommended more funding for embassy security.
Requests for additional security were ingored, how would money have changed anything.
Another swing and a miss by the witch hunting GOPers.
republican teabaggers are making a big fuss over an intel report that supposedly cost the lives of 4 people – where were these same republican teabaggers whenthe bushie administration came out with the intel report about iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction which later turned out to be a big fabrication by the bushies which cost more than 4,000 lives and injured and maimed tens of thousands of soldiers?????
This the typical straw man argument...I am a republican and I was completely against going into Iraq, there was absolutely no reason for it and I agree that Bush should be held accountable. But two wrongs do not make a right. Bottom line our consulate was attacked on Sovereign ground (US Territory), that is an act of war. I couldn't care less about who changed the talking points and who said what, what I care about is the fact that MULTIPLE times our Ambassador notified the US government of escalating violence in Benghazi and MULTIPLE times called for assistance. The British has the foresight to remove their ambassador from the region, we did not. There were several opportunities to go and rescue the ambassador and others in the compound yet everyone was told to stand down. That is the problem I have, not with who changed the talking points not with who said what but the fact that our embassy was under attack in a region that the government knew for months was unstable and we did nothing to help those 4 men.
This is pretty amusing really. Bush wanted to go into Iraq for weapons to prevent anything worse than what happened on 9/11. The intel he had, from yes, the CIA again said that they had the weapons. In fact, weapons inspectors had a list of weapons that they DID have at one point, but hadn't been allowed back in IRAQ to verify their disposal.
I see the liberals on here defending Obama and saying, see the CIA edited the report, but you don't blame the CIA and intel community for Bush's decisions to invade IRAQ based on that intel.
DoubleStandard.
Scary thing, is that I doubt the CIA was wrong on either account. Many in there are silent heroes, and scapegoats when things get public. I am sure many would change their tune if they knew all that they did protect us from.
Then you should actually pay attention to the reports. It was reported that they could not deploy in time. As far as who denied the requests, that was handled at the state department.
You may wanna check with republicans as to why we haven't gotten any further and are talking about who said what when.
First of all, it was a consulate, NOT an embassy. So you need to understand what you're talking about before you go criticizing. Second of all, there were ELEVEN attacks against consulates/embassies during the Bush Administration, some involving more than 4 lives lost and where were you criticizing the President then? Where were you calling them out for their lack of foresight in protecting those embassies/consulates? Don't try to pretend like you care about the lives lost here when dozens more have lost their lives in embassies/consulates during the previous administration and you said NOTHING!
Can McCain get back to his regular job now of filibustering everything the dems bring forward without reading any of it? I didnt think it was possible for him to earn his salary even less than before, but he has surprised me lately.
Yup. I used to respect the man. That started to go away when he named Palin as his running mate. And it's all been downhill from there.
The White House Office of History Editing is apparently still hard at work.
All of the global media corporations in the world have been in a secret socialist conspiracy to hide the Shining Light of Conservatism for five generations. They do this because they are evil and want good people to suffer. (It used to be a Communist conspiracy, but then the Soviet Union collapsed and overnight it became transformed into a socialist conspiracy. No Conservative apparently noticed the change.)
All of the polls, all of the scientists, all of the PhDs, and all universities have joined in that world-wide socialist conspiracy since 1932. Their goal is persuade voters that Liberalism is good when they know it is evil.
Scientists are all liars. They fake scientific results and poll findings. They have been doing this since FDR was President. They will do anything evil for tenure and government grants. They fake their experiments so the results agree with Liberalism. Sometimes ‘the government’ orders them to produce certain results, like the Global Warming Hoax.
All government statistics have been faked and changed to make “Liberals” in government look good, and they cannot be believed. This is because government is evil and all government employees are evil when a Democrat is in the White House. All government employees lie to make Obama look good.
(Escape Clause: However, if those same government agencies produce statistics that make Conservatives look good, then they can be believed and trusted.)
If it’s from PBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/ABC/CNN it’s a lie. They do not print news. They simply try to sway elections by printing false news. They have been doing this since Hitler invaded Poland because they hate America.
God is a Conservative Free-Market Republican. So is Jesus. So is the Holy Ghost. So were the apostles. So were the early followers of Jesus. So was the first Pope. So was Martin Luther.
Mormonism is not Christianity unless the Republican nominee is a Mormon, in which case Mormonism is just another Protestant denomination, like Presbyterians or Baptists.
Does that sound sane to anyone?
what it sounds like is the "tea party manifesto".
Repugnican monday morning quaterbacks who lost the superbowl. What else do you expect.
We should expect the truth...I could care less if it's Republicans or Democrats looking for it. Transaparency is a way to move "forward".
We got the truth. What makes you think otherwise?
EL Flaco – what makes me think otherwise? Thinking outside party lines. You should try it sometime.
The Republicans could care less about the actual facts which include Susan Rice almost reciting verbatim the CIA approved talking points as confirmed by Rep. Peter King, the republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, thereby meannig there is no controversy. This is from a party that would delight in a domestic terrorist attack today that kiiled thousands of Americans.
This reminds me of the right-wing e-mails constantly popping up regarding "liberal conspiracies" or "socialist activities". The crazies send them out to all of their friends encouraging people to take action immediately. These get busted by the fact checkers almost immediately and the people who sent them out look like ignorant, paranoid, right-wing morons. Once they realize the e-mail was yet another scam do they do the right thing and send an apology to their friends? Hell no. They either quietly move on to another ridiculous conspiracy or keep sending out the original. Honesty is not a requirement to be a wing-nut. Remember the "birthers"? They still exist in relatively large numbers. Fox News drones...
Sounds like you're onto them. No retreat from an absurd position is allowed.
Ummm, go to "u toob" and type in "NAACP socialist rally" and there you will see socialist (and communist, for that matter) organizations standing alongside leftist organizations (NAACP, unions, SEIU, etc) – I know it's hard for your brain to conceive, but it's true. Just because YOU refuse to believe it, and just because your holy messenger of the messiah, Mucho Socialist National Barack Channel (MSNBC) refuses to actually DO it's job & report on it, doesn't mean it's not true.
Stop being such a sheep, blinded by one party's ideology!!
ANOTHER GOP WITCH HUNT TO DISTRACT YOU FROM THEIR LACK OF VISION AND LEADERSHIP.
The only politically motivated language here is the WITCH-HUNT double-speak being spewed by the GOP-led panel of "concerned" legislators who are a) trying to make a name for themselves and b) simply trying to find a post-election scandal to tar and feather the Dems with.
Far from having learned anything as a result of the election, this "investigation" is a prime example of the GOP applying more of the same activities they've employed for the past four years in an attempt to look good by making the opposition look bad. Do they care about the attack and the deaths...maybe. Do they care about scoring political "points" in the press and the eyes of voters for the mid-term elections – you betcha. Far more so.
Odd to note that they are NOT talking about how the GOP-led committee "investigating" this attack stupidly, carelessly, and ignorantly outed the existence of a CIA base at the embassy. Oops. Must have full disclosure of secret and top secret intel or the committee's investigation isn't satisfied. Morons.
Of course, the intelligence community is never wrong, and anything they report MUST be talked about in exact detail w/o redaction or alteration at a press conference or it's grounds for the GOP to attack...right? Morons.
If you go back and look at the info prior to the Iraq war, the intel community was saying there WASN'T sufficient info of good enough quality to support WMD, too. There's some info that was modified slightly from the original talking points, eh?
Must be nice to have something to stir up so you can distract the media from focusing on the failing of the GOP in the election.
The only honorable thing for McCain is to apologize to Susan Rice.
I agree, but he is too arrogant for that.
Either she is also to blame or she was used as a female human shield for a gutless president.
Do I agree with the GOP trying to pin this on the President? No. Embassies are a State Department issue. However, what concerns me is the intelligence talking points. There were too many hands in the pot and it all got messed up resulting in a poorly stated address to the people. What needs to be done is a complete revision in procedure. That is what this is truly about. Yes, the GOP is using this as a means to point fingers and lay blame, but the reality is that something needs to be done to prevent such mistakes from happening again.
Hey Frank,
Do you even understand the lies told to the American people weeks before the election or are you an enemy to the public?
It was "not a pre-planned attack"? It was a "spontaneous protest"?
If it was George W Bush, you would have been screaming up and down for the truth and heads to roll.
"You can't handle the truth"
Col. Jessup
Hey jimmf (aka Troll)
I just bet you were right on top of the calls to impeach W over the lies about Iraq, the tens of thousands of Iraqi dead, the thousands of American military dead and more that were maimed, the bankrupting of an economy in the black, and the labeling of anyone who disagreed as "for" the terrorists. Hmmm...sounds a bit like your troll-speak...enemy of the state?
At least I'm not an enema of the state, like you.
I didn't see an explanation why the American people were LIED to weeks before the election when the Obama administration knew the truth:
SUSAN RICE: It was 'NOT A PRE-PLANNED ATTACK' and it was a 'SPONTANEOUS PROTEST' due to one of many cheap YouTube videos and it coincidentally occurred on the cherish Jihadist anniversary of 9/11.
Now, I understand why amoral liberal Democrats want to sweep this under the carpet.They will insult and bully until they can get people to be quiet. Would they do the same George W Bush? They would have been foaming at the mouth demanding an investigation for the truth weeks before the election. Yes, they truly are unprincipled hypocrites.
The LIES are too big to ignore. Besides all the intelligence, the next day the LIBYAN PRESIDENT said it was a planned attack on the 9/11 anniversary, a cherished date by Jihadists.
Yet, these enemies of the public wish to sweep this all under the rug.
What the White House should have said is: there was an attack in a chaotic and dangerous country and we are not sure yet who perpetrated it.
No one needed to know any more until the fact were clear. I do blame the admin for that. But to somehow posture this as purposeful lying (for what purpose?) seems desperate to me.
It was either purposeful or it is extreme incompetence. Which do you prefer?
Still living in your mom's basement and huffing the good stuff?
MF- Do yourself a favor- actually let me do U a favor so U don't have to READ the entire article. Ina nut shell here it is.
The intelligence community – not the White House, State Department or Justice Department – was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points
The "intelligence community" is WHO? Who is getting axed?
YOU won't demand accountability because you are a mindless Obama defender.
So the intell community changed it from a specific group to "extremists". It sill doesn't explain the media tour of Rice reporting it as a mob related to some crappy film no one even knew about. If the intell guys changed it to extremists, that is what should have been coming out of the administration. So they are still liars for political expediency.
From the article:
The harshest criticism has focused on Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who used the talking points as the basis for comments she made on Sunday talk shows five days after the attack. During her appearances, Rice said a small number of people came to the mission in reaction to demonstrations occurring in Cairo over the anti-Muslim film, but the Benghazi protest was hijacked by armed extremists. She never mentioned terrorists.
And why should anyone care which word was changed or not. There were plenty of F*** ups in previous administrations so please tell me how that changes the price of milk in China ?
If you read the entire article, you would have seen where General Petreus explains that there were multiple streams of intelligence and some of that intel was pointing to this demonstration being related to the video which sparked the Egyptia protests. What the CIA did was send their talking points to other intelligence communities, such as DIA, where they added and/or changed information. The question that remains is which intelligence community added the remarks about the video. Though this seems like a witchhunt, what needs to be taken from this is that there were too many hands in the pot and everything got messed up. The overall goal of this inquiry is to prevent such mistakes from happening again.
The overall goal of what? The congressional inquiry? You really think they have an objective that isn't political? These things are an opportunity for politicians to grandstand and nothing more.
I think the statement speaks for itself. It appeared that there was a demonstration and that was used for cover.
The harshest criticism has focused on Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who used the talking points as the basis for comments she made on Sunday talk shows five days after the attack. During her appearances, Rice said a small number of people came to the mission in reaction to demonstrations occurring in Cairo over the anti-Muslim film, but the Benghazi protest was hijacked by armed extremists. She never mentioned terrorists.
How can you say no one saw the film? Protests all over the Muslim world led to at least 75 deaths. Somebody saw it and even if they didn't it caused huge and violent protests all over the world.
Has Obama made one decision since he's been in office? I understand the need to delegate, but he seems clueless about everything.
He's good with the photo ops, though.
Hang on, I'll get you a crying towel.
Crying towel? hehehehehe....idiot. Some call it a KLEENEX.
Hmm, please tell me which Fox talking point is true: is Obama the worst president ever or has he not made any decisions? What makes you think he is clueless? He seems pretty smart to me.
NorCal hobo: Maybe U missed that photo op when the President alone made the decision to have seal team 6 take out Bin Laden-or the decision to implement the Affordable Care Act.
Repukes don't accept "facts", they have such a Liberal bias, doncha know??????
Time for Gramps and the Gay Guy to STFU.
There is NO talking points!!!!!! The general banged a broad!!!!!!! Nothing more. Nothing less. Do the republicans think we keep national security secrets in the general's DNA??? Hahahahahahahhaha
There is exactly NOTHING unusual about the way this event was handled. This controversy is 100% trumped up by sore loser republicans, who as usual, would just as soon destroy the country, sabotage our own and obstruct everything and anything in Washington, just to feed their rabid hatred of President Obama. He had nothing to do with how this report was generated, nor did any of his staff. The report was filtered through intelligence per usual and they vetted it for facts and it looks like they got it right. We still don't know exactly who and why they did this or what particular group (if any) was responsible.
There may have been nothing unusual about the way it was handled, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be revised. For instance, the FBI should not be involved in the anything the intelligence community makes as talking points. Also, the CIA shouldn't be sending it's take on intelligence to other intelligence communities for input, rather it should be the other way around. The CIA should have the final take on anything intelligence related. From there it should be given to the White House. There were too many hands in the pot and things got messed up. The procedures need to be fixed so that something like this doesn't happen again or, at least, is hadled better than it was.
There is one thing we do know, and knew before Rice went on the 5 shows. THERE WAS NO DEMONSTRATION PROTESTING THE VIDEO AT THE BENGHAZI MISSION ON 9/11/12
I've come to the conclusion that its ok for the government to lie to you as long as a Democrat does it.
The liberals gathering of the wagons over this outright lie is sickening.
Typical republican response. Don't let the facts get in your way.
What lie? There is no lie here. Never was. The facility was attacked by extremist. That is what happened and that is what the report said.
FAIL
What is "shocking" is that Repukes don't believe in facts.
no THAT would be Nixon another GOP HYPOCRITE who said nothing is illegal if the President does it.
Republicans tried to create another "swift boat" scandal but failed. No lies were told. Those of you who constantly work to discredit the President are unpatriotic drones of Fox News. Too mindless to come to your own conclusions, to hateful to support all of America's people, and too bigoted to overcome your deeply-ingrained racism. You lost the election because America rejects these beliefs and this disloyal behavior.
Grumpy – are you actually John McCain? You must be.
Grumpy=McCain
Yes, the government didn't start lying until "that one" got into office.
Come talk to us when you find some WMD's.
shouldn't you be out looking for WMD's rather than trolling on message boards?
So, will McCain and King apologize to Rice now?
Doubtful.
McCain and Graham should be ashamed of themselves. I thought Romney was the champ of "open mouth – insert foot" but these two clowns have proven they are right up there with Mitt! They are an embarrassment, but then so is the whole GOP!
Liar.....liar.....pants on fire.....smokescreen for Hillary and Barack so there will be no impeachment. You dirty crook you stole your mother's pocket book.....
Yeah, keep drinking that Faux News tea.
Act childish much?
Edwardst(35) Im just curious. Is the 35 your IQ?
People did not know early on what the situation was.
I remember that after the Oklahoma City bombing by Christian terrorists, newspapers were reporting that Islamic terrorists were responsible for the bombing. They reported furthermore that a car containing the criminals was on its way from Oklahoma City to El Paso, where they planned to escape into Mexico.
Why would anyone lie about what happened in Benghazi? There is no political motivation to do so.
The only political motivation here is the repubs want to discredit the President every chance they can. For some reason they think it might help them in 2014 and again in 2016.
You are incorrect.
There has been testimony that State, Defense, WH situation room etc. watched the attack in real time. There had been warnings of an imminent attack. Those at the mission, including Amb. Stevens on the day he died, were warning the mission could not sustain an attack. They did know what the situation was. They might not have known the exact group(s) responsible, but they knew the situation and they knew it had absolutely nothing to do with that silly video.
It does seem so dumb for the WH to willfully mislead Americans but they did and it had nothing to do with classified information. The campaign did not want anything to get in the way of their meme, Osama is dead and al Qaeda is on the run. That is the lame political reason behind the push to have Americans think the attack was in response to the video.
Only conservatives can not see how a video against islam could incite a riot in islamic areas. What does watching the attack in real time have to do with how it started? Did they have a video crew on site 24/7? Can you tell by watching footage of an attack the reason behind the attack? Did they have al quida (sp) name tags?
You folks are just looking for anything STILL at this point.
Dear Ghostriter-
As a matter of fact, the mission DID have 24/7 video, that is how it was proved (before the Sunday shows) that there was no protest of any sort on 9/11/12. That and testimony of the survivors.
The point isn't the name given to those who attacked the mission. Calling them extremists or terrorists would be fine. All terrorists are not al Qaeda and no one has a problem with WH not identifying the exact group 5 days after the attack.
The point is that the WH DID know WITHOUT A DOUBT that there was NO demonstration of any kind at the Benghazi mission on 9/11/12 and yet for almost 2 weeks they claimed there was.
OMG. If this came out of the intelligence community, we are in trouble.
It was Clapper all along.
You'll notice Fox News doesn't carry any of this latest information as it bursts the Repububble.
Gee repubs, I thought FoxNews wasn't biased! What do you call not reporting a story like this one? Hmmmm, let me think – Ok, I got it....BIASED!
Maybe you should watch Fox and see... BTW they have reported it, but nice try.
Ok ... so now lets look into the ELEVEN Embassy Attacks and SIXTY US Deaths from 2001 to 2008.
And how many times were those attacks blamed on something other than terrorism.....and how many times did the US do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it?
You're missing the point.
You must only watch Fox. Misinformation is not news.
No I watch most channels, Including CNN, ABC, CBS, and just for fun, I throw in a little MSDNC too.
And believe me David....the misinformation exists on most of those channels. MSDNC clearly takes the lead though.
And what exactly are we supposed to do before the responsible parties hiding places are discovered, level Benghazi? Apparently you don't think those steps are being taken. How long did it take for us to find the decision makers behind the USS Cole disaster in Yemen or the attacks and bombings during W's tenure, we don't have a terrorist address book, get a grip there is no great conspiracy
Listen. To say the White house never knew the real story is sticking your head in the sand. The president knew it was terrorism. They just chose to say it was a spontaneous response to some movie trailer no one ever heard of. Maybe they don't want to talk about it due to national security. That whole place involves CIA activity. Leave those folks out of the lime light, and let them do their jobs.
I must have missed the part about the attack being a result of a spontaneous demonstration about that movie. The only thing I have heard said by Rice was that a demonstration about the movie was infiltrated by armed extremist and those extremist attacked.
You guys have twisted the events so far out of shape it's ridiculous.
Jon-
Do you realize there was never any demonstration at the Benghazi mission on 9/11/12 at all?
Do you realize the WH knew there was never any demonstration (of any kind about anything) before Obama sent Rice out with the misleading talking points about the video?
Jerry,
Did you happen to notice the multiple protests around the world that erupted at the same time? If my memory serves, there were quiet a few around the world. So why do you doubt that there was in fact one of these protests going on which gave a nice cover for these terrorists to strike? The two are not mutually exclusive.
You are correct they aren't mutually exclusive. Only in the case of Benghazi by the time Rice went on 5 shows, they had seen the video from the mission before the attack occurred and talked to those at mission and knew for a fact that there was no demonstration, spontaneous or not, on 9/11/12. State, defense and WH all watched the attack in real time too.
So, though there were many demonstrations in the ME/Africa on 9/11 that claimed to be about a video-there was none in Benghazi and all officials knew that for a fact. Any mention of the video in relation to Benghazi was only to mislead.
MmeB, what is your point? They also said they had numerous reports of what was going on. And according to this very article, Rice stated a small protest may have provided cover.
But all of that is moot anyway. Republicans are sticking with the "she didn't say terror" bit. I saw nothing in that statement inferring that the attack was due to the video.
Ghostriter-
My point is that it has nothing to do with whether Rice said terror or extremist. No one cares what the word used to describe the attackers was.
My point is that the WH tried to blame something (the video) that had nothing to do with the situation at all. I can say that because there was never any demonstration and they all knew it before Rice was sent out with points blaming said demonstration.
There were 12 terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities abroad during W. tenure. Eight of those were while Donald Rumsfeld was Sec. of State. Fifty-three people were killed in those attacks.
Where was the outrage from Republicans like McCain and Graham then? Why didn't the Democrats try to blow those up into a political scandal?
And how many times were those attacks blamed on something other than terrorism.....and how many times did the US do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it?
You're missing the point.
And how many times did Bush and his entire criminal crew lie about WMD? And what punishment was he given for these lies and the resulting multiple thousands of deaths and trillions of dollars wasted? And he still couldn't get Bin Laden.
The point is, you don't have a point. You and your crappy bunch of right wingers are sore about losing to an intelligent black man, and so you think you'll try to take the country down to make yourselves feel better.
First.... it's not about losing to a DEMOCRAT.....again you are bringing race into this, not me.
This was going on before the election, incase you forgot
And if Bush "lied" about WMD....then so did every intelligence agency in the entire world, that came to the same conclusion. You act as though we went in alone.
By the way, I'm not accusing Obama and his administration of lying. I'm asking why even come out and blame it on the video, when from the beginning, there were conflicting intelligence reports to that. If you aren't absolutely sure, then why come out and point the finger at anything? That's my only concern.
It wasn't every intelligence agency in the world. It was one unreliable source. They were ready to prop up any straw horse to justify their invasion of Iraq. Who knew that the illegal invasion of a country could be so lucrative to corporations?
Because Democrats are, for the most part, reasonable and pragmatic.
"Third, it is important to be careful not to prejudice a criminal investigation in its early stages"
Haha. Kind of like how every media station in the western world was declaring the attacker Bin Laden twenty minutes after the twin tower explosions.
The "intel community" = the scripted theater community.
So who the h*** is in charge here? Nothing but passing the buck! I don't care how you libs spin it - people lied and good Americans died! End of story. Now go back to your morning prayers to Obama!
The compound in Benghazi is on fire.
If Obama had sent in 50 Marines to rescue those Americans, what would Conservatives now be saying if 42 of those Marines were killed and 8 were captured AND the ambassador was killed too? All the Conservative gasbags in America would be screaming that he poured American soldiers down the rathole when he should have been more cautious.
If Obama had sent in 50 Marines and had rescued the ambassador and all Marines came home unharmed, Conservatives would now be saying, “Obama has opened up a third war and now we’ll be mired down in a war in Libya for a decade.
If Obama, following the advice of his generals, decided – as he did – to determine what the situation on the ground was before committing more Americans to the situation, Conservatives would be saying what they are saying right now.
This whole Benghazi thing is about Obama’s Black skin. Conservatives can’t stand darkies.
Excellent post. I have said the same thing about sending in rescuers. We are not deployed in that country for starters. Deploying armed forces in a sovereign nation is very, very dangerous and could have precipitated all sorts of trouble. Secondly, we NEVER deploy our folks into a situation like that on the spur of the moment. Suppose there were 5,000 militia waiting to ambush our response team? Suppose there were a dozen guys waiting to shoot down helicopters if we sent them? These arm chair quarterbacks don't have the common sense to understand the real implications of the situation. There were just a few Americans in danger. We don't put 50 more in grave danger without knowing the situation and having contingency plans. You will NEVER see us send rescue teams into a situation like that on a moments notice, into a foreign country that is at war.
Sore loser republicans. That's all it is.
It is sad when you just write this off as a racist issue. When you have to imput race into a conversation you have no other possible explanation for the issue at hand. Whether you agree or not the real issue here is that four Americans are dead and there are many factors that contributed to it. That is the issue. The other issue is that a U.S. Ambassador in that region with that much lack of security did not want to attact attention which leads me to the other question of why was he out there in the first place. There are many questions which should be answered that will not be answered and this will go down and out like Fast and Furious. Another issue that has left many questions unanswered.
As for the reason why Susan Rice went on those talk shows was very simple to me.. She ran interference for the administration.... If Obama lost she would be out of a job but if he won she would be sure to be the new Secy of State. Thats it plain and simple... which actually makes me feel better to know that she is not that stupid after all.
sflmom, there is no issue here. Some Islamic terrorist killed some Americans in Benghazi. That is the story.
Who were they? We don't know.
Will we catch them? We don't know.
Besides, don't you think it's more appropriate for Conservative women to stick to their housework and let their husbands speak for the family?
sflmom, this stopped being abou t the 4 Americans long ago. This is about why the administration didn't use the word terror. No more, no less. And Fast and Furious was NEVER about Agent Terry. He was not killed because of those guns. He was killed because he was a border agent. We have seen what the investigations and hearings republicans have held the past 4 years. Throw in Solyndra and you have strike 3.
It's time to stop all the political hammering for no reason.
Wow...really? I must have hit a nerve.
No one died as a result of any intelligence, truthful or not. Your "lied and died" claim is pure manure, aimed at stirring controversy where there is none, never should have been any. These people died FIRST, before any report. Secondly, the more we hear, the more we can see that the report was correct. There still doesn't appear to be any verifiable link to Al Qaeda or any clear motive for the attack. The truth is, we have killed 500,000 people over there in the past decade or so. We are likely to be attacked by any number of people or organizations in retribution for family members, children, women, old people... you know, that is to be expected and it will continue as long as we are operating in that part of the world.
Wise up. This post election, sore loser, clap trap.
Your hero was watching the whole thing on a live feed via drone. If somewhere in your tiny mind you can't see what is wrong with that, then don't vote and move to Russia with the rest of the socialists.
Your are the one that seems to be sore.... I beg to differ slightly with your analogy though... If the intelligence coming from Libya and in particular this Ambassador was that they needed more security and that they would not survive a direct attack then to a degree it is at fault for not listening and securing the Ambassador.
Susan Rice who is a U.N. Ambassador was not the appropiate person to be going to the talk shows and answering questions. tjat should have been done by a state dept offical.
Like I stated previously she was doing it to run interference so that she would get the Secy of State position... the sad thing is that four Americans are dead and someone dropped the ball... but like everything else in Washington this also will never be known..
@Real American. Time to put the white sheet back in the closet and take down the confederate flag.
sflmon, Dropped the ball? Lets ask ourselves who dropped the ball on security before the attack, shall we?
Paul Ryan and the House Republicans cut the US Embassy security budget by $300 million dollars. You getting this? The Republican house cut the EXACT ACCOUNT that would have paid for more security in Benghazi.
Susan Rice and Barack are at the mosque making plans for their next clandestine move to involve the USA in a war with the Muslims AFTER they take away our military.
Rock on! The radical right without a conspiracy to focus on is comparable to taking oxygen from a human.
If you don't have a reason to raise panic in yourself and other, the conspiracy always about anyone but your party, what would you do? What would your motivation be for living?
Wow, you really make the Republican position look grounded and sane...(sarcasm). Quick question for you, how many black helicopters do you see outside of your window right now?
Hey disgusting. The only thing truly disgusting is your lack of intellect.
This is an example that illustrates what those from other countries are speaking of in the term. The Ignorant American.
Shut up, or self deport yourself. I'm not ignorant. You are. It shows. The only one a stupid person know how to feel intelligent is by attacking others personally. You just proved that.
This rings true. The police in crimminal investigations never put out all the information they have. As said in this article, it could prejudice the information they receive. Also,l do you really want a bad guy you are looking for to know that you are on his trail? You want him to relax his guard.
So what about the Zimmerman incident? The police and your dear leader were more than willing to put the evidence on display without the whole story. Why would this incident be any different? Your dear leader was more than ready to convict Zimmerman before a trial and before all the evidence was out, so why does he protect terrorists but not Americans? Are you blind or just ignorant?
Zimmerman.....really? You are comparing an international event to Zimmerman?
Oh, and exactly when did Obama order the release of information regarding the Zimmerman case? Do you guys really get all these stupid talking points from Rush or does he give you leeway to come up with your own zingers?
Not Blind just ignorant.
It's begging to be asked, but REALLY? This was an attack that was very pertinent to national security. I'm neither blind dumb. I'm not going to say the obvious here....
Too many people are unwilling to step outside their tiny ideological boxes to research and filter news in an unbiased manner, and then make intelligent comments. Too many just want to spew small-minded hatred, little barbs like Fireball's comments. These people are either too young, too inexperienced, or simply too ignorant to understand the nature of conflict zones and news coming from them. When 241 servicemen were killed in Beirut in 1983 during Reagan's administration, it took months to get a clear understanding of the events. The inexperienced think that just because you can get instant bank statements and buy on anything Amazon that news from a conflict zone should arrive the same way. It doesn't. And Peter King, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain owe apologies to all of us.
author: One of the more succinct posts I have read. Thank you.
Well said! Apologies to this woman had better come as quick as the accusations did.
My dad had a high level security clearance. I learned the importance of not revealing information, the different reasons for that and I also know that years later, after hundreds of questions, I STILL do not know what he did, where or why.
I love facts. I like evidence and searching for it. I don't use one source, I use many. Many were fed a steady diet of BS by those they trusted. The BS is their truth and the real truth? It created cognitive dissonance for many.
Is Obama responsible for anything?
Try the recovery.
What recovery? LOL
What recovery? 23 million unemployed. 47 million on food stamps. $16 trillion in debt and counting. A flood of wealth leaving the USA. The recovery is located where?
The recovery where the stock market doubled......why do republicans leave that out of the economic picture? It was a big talking point when it was down.
We better be careful. We'll be so recovered we'll all be bankrupt
Hey a.-
Hahahahahahaha
The last Conservative who took responsibility for his actions was Robert E Lee.
Lee a conservative? Really...
He's ONLY responsible for GOOD stuff, just like LIBERAL A Stark said. THis guy has not made ONE mistake since he has been president, that is OF COURSE, why he was re-elected. It has NOTHING to do with 63% of folks making less than $35k/yr voting for him. REPEAT – folks ONLY voted for him because he has NEVER made ONE mistake during his entire presidency.
Even the dead folks voted for him because the dear leader has never not once ever made any kind of error. They were rising from the grave just to vote. Look at Pittsburg. 108% of the registered voters voted. But that is ok right?
Susan Rice has no patriotism only politics in her Blood not humanity or a code of honor .
We will always complete the Mission to the Best of our Ability.
We will Never Surrender.
We will Never leave a Soldier behind.
An attack on any one of us is an attack on us all
They Watched the Murder of Men that protect America and The Flag that stands for our Courage and Blood of the Great red,white and blue .
Hillary Clinton stood in front of the Mothers and Family"s of these brave men and told them she would make sure the Film Makers is punished for this..
were is her Honor and patriotism and the oath she took as a speaker of America ?
Susan Rice is female. Conservatives hate women.
Susan Rice is Black. Conservatives hate Blacks.
Susan Rice is intelligent. Conservatives hate intelligence.
It's only natural that Conservatives like you put your lies in her mouth.
Maybe Rice will come out and say shes gay, to further bolster your retarded, biased attack, to make yourself feel better.
And what of Condi Rice?! Colin Powell? Cain? Moron much?
Apparently, Obama hates Susan Rice sending her out with obvious lies using her as a female human shield.
Oh shutup.
Every day Fox continues to politicize this is another day they take a massive crap on the memories of the fallen. Stop it. It's a non-issue. You will lose more elections if you keep playing these games.
Schill, A Starks, does not even realize what web site he's on.
Here's a quick question: If the Feds didn't really know all the details of just WHO was responsible, WHY not just say THAT?
NOPE, they push out a TOTALLY DIFFERENT story – I'm sure that had NOTING to do with an election 2 wks away.
SUCKERS.
Your boy Rob-money made a statement, trying to make political hay, before it was even known that the Ambassador was dead. Why didn't he just say he didn't know instead of spouting off stuff? Why did he make any statement at all?
Under George W. Bush, there were 12 attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities, and 53 people were killed. The Democrats did not try to make a scandal out of those attacks. This clearly shows that the Republicans are totally unrepentant for their obstruction and mean-spiritedness. They will continue to run the country into the ground because they cannot stand it that an intelligent black man beat the pants off of them twice. They want the country to suffer for electing Barack Obama again, and they have just about enough power to accomplish that. It will destroy not only the country, but their party also.
Susan Rice is being made the "fall guy" for the intelligence communities' and maybe even the State Department's faults.She went out and said what they all told her to say.The CIA didn't want all of the details disclosed.She may not have even known all of the facts.
Death Panels.
Kenyan
Birth Certificate
Obama is the Antichrist
Cadillac Driving Welfare Queens
"Free" markets
Closet Muslim
Cutting taxes increases revenue
WMDs in Iraq "No Doubt"
Bin Laden in Afghanistan "No Doubt"
Kindergarten Teaching Union Thugs
Pedophile federal agents groping screaming children in airports
Fast & Furious
Obama-phones (free phone program was created in the Reagan Administration)
Barnie Frank caused the world-wide Great Recession
All scientists who assert that global-warming is real are socialists and communists.
Obama allowed Gen. Petraeus to put his hoo-hoo in that psycho broad’s binkie
All global media corporations have been in a communist (before 1991)/socialist (after 1991) conspiracy to defame Conservatism for five generations.
The Social Security Administration is purchasing hollow-point bullets to shoot and kill Americans with.
And now, Conservatism's latest product:
"Obama laughs as dying ambassador begs for help. 'Allah is Great,' Obama is reported to have screamed."
It's WAY too early in the season for this much fruitcake...
Get over it – it's 4 people killed. We lost that many time and again in Iraq, it's the unfortunate price we pay for our freedom and for being the most powerful nation in the world. You lost the election and this Benghazi crap is already falling off the media radar. No investigation, no impeachment, it's over. The only thing you get is four more years of Bronco Bama. Get over it already.
All Americans Lost, You will see the light very soon
McCain and Graham are playing a political game to try to discredit the president and his possible nominee.They are off base.McCain has been hypocritical and even has tried to make this into a Watergate moment.If they are sincere, why aren't they demanding that the CIA account for their part, and the GOP in Congress also, who denied the White House request for more money for security which is the real issue.
Stevens' and the others deaths were tragic, but they didn't hold the Bush administration accountable for its intelligence failures, and amped up "facts" presented by Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell that took us to war..Why not? All of the focus is on Susan Rice just to deny the president a victory.
Correct,we are ALL losers now, and also correct, we did get BRONCO BAMA.
Libs, check back in 4 years to see how YOUR pudding turned out, we'll ALL want to see the PROOF.
Yea, Whatever.
Exactly. Get over it, already! Benghazi was a tragedy, but it doesn't rise to that of 9/11/01 or the countless soldiers and civilians we lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a witch hunt, time waster, and a waste of resources. So, angry white men, go back to figuring out how to court minorities and women and stop looking so bitter.
The woman uses talking points developed by the Intel community during an ever evolving situation and because they weren't perfect in an evolving situation they want to nail this woman to the wall to smear the Obama Administration? They just have no bounds.
If the woman does not know for fact what she is preaching because they feed her false information, Then the Government is in need for better leadership and if she were on the up and up she should have kept her mouth shut as it was a political ploy gone bad.
Not at all. It's why they came out blaming one thing, when they so clearly had conflicting information from the get go.
The point is this, if there was conflicting information, they should have treated it as such, and not select the explination that suits them at the time.
I think most Americans, left or right, would have accepted that they were initially unsure of the cause, and that they were investigating, had they never come out and blamed the youtube video, which they so clearly had conflicting evidence against from the start.
and WHAT do you think the GOP and the FAUX machine would had done had they come out and said – conflicting information? They would have been DRAMA MAMA's with the WHY don't they know every millisecond what every terrorist is thinking ALL the time?? Seriously you really think in this political climate they could go on the Sunday morning shows with – conflicting information?? Get a reality check – you give what information you have.
Here's a thought, how about don't go on all those Sunday morning shows. Hmmm
yeah and then for DAYS we'll hear on FAUX that they're too afraid – can't face the tough questions..... blah blah blah
Maybe once we stop talking about who changed the talking points we could start talking about why the GOP controlled Congress denied funding for embassy security.
You mean the funding that had ZERO affect on the security in Benghazi?
You mean the bill that 149 democrats passed?
You guys are so quick to point to republicans passing the reduced spending for embassy's and consulates, but always fail to give all the information. Like the fact that the previous bill went through Sept 30, 2012....after the Benghazi attack. You ignore the fact that Mrs. Lamb flat out said that Financing, Personel, and Assests were NOT an issue for security to Benghazi. You also ignore the facts that there are failsafes for security for embassy's and consulates which including gaining extra funding and personel from the overall military budget and the Marines. You also ignore the fact that the funding for embassys and consulates had increased well over 10 times the amount they received within the last decade. It was a bipartisan bill that passed on reduced funding, yet you can only find a way to blame republicans? Get real
We don't want to ignore everything, Dougler. Just you and the rest of the "Crisis Crying" Republicans. McCain is sounding like a paranoid old general who wants a war everywhere with no guidelines or boundries. Gutsy Graham wants to play "Me Too Boss..." to everything McCain does. I can tell Graham played in the HS Band. You just want to keep this charade going on as long as possible, over a word here and there. Extremist or Terrorist – that's what the whole discussion comes down to. That's not quite the same as, "What the meaning of is – is". Get a case. You can't blame Kenya or faked birth certificates anymore. You lost. Four more years. Get over it. Be a man – get some. Quit the hating. Quit the silly crap you're trying to turn into what? An impeachment?? Are you kidding?? Fight the war – not the White House. That war's already over. Think about the children? What will leave them if their republican example is "blame the referees; The scoreboard operator cheated; Their uniforms were distracting; the replacement refs didn't know the rules"> Accept it – you lost. Come back in four years. Let the President be the president. Quit picking on young, black females. Leave it all alone. It will work out.
Congressman King, how is that IRA fundraising thing going for you?
Another Right Wing Witch Hunt that only turns up Two Consenting Adult having an Affair.
Actually, four, including one who fundraised for the Republican Party in Florida.
The morals in America are going in the wrong direction. There are some with no morals at all, and they work for the Government and are trying to legislate there view of bad morals to the Good people we have in America. Sad but it is Government leading they way to a moral distruction of a once, "God Fearing Nation" that built America.
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?"
"When did you stop beating your wife?"
It really SHOULD be an issue for both parties. The white house said it was over a film. Other countries then also got upset over this same "film" and more people died. And you people calling each other and political parties silly names you think are clever doesn't solve anything.
Ahhh, that the GOP could have been as indignant when the Bush administration altered intelligence to end up killing over 160,000 and wasted a trillion in Iraq. Where were they then?
Yeah, and they tried to have a witch hunt over the whistle blowers because they were critical of Lord Voldecheney.
Yes, where was the GOP when Bush started a real war for a fictional reason.
Witchhunt! Nothing gets done in Washington because the republicans are still trying to take down the Presdent. GOP hasn't learned a thing!
Lying Obama. Four people died to make sure he was reelected.
And how many people died to get Dubya reelected in 2004? Over three thousand in New York, Washington and the Pennsylvania Countryside, plus all the Military and Civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.
'Four people died to make sure he was reelected'
okaaaay. explain the logic behind that one.
BINGO
When an investigation is ongoing in your home town, the police will say "it is an ongoing investigation, we can not talk about it" When National Security is on the line, why oh why would the intelligence community think individuals who think the President of the Less Than United States is a Muslim, or a Tri-Lateral Commissioner could actually handle the truth in real time. What difference to you or America what the excuse is, Obama did not cause it. And if you ask the bad guys, I think they believe someone in a tent somewhere will pay for it. Remember your guy, who allegedly chased Bin Laden for 8 years and could not find him...where is that terrorist now? The answer is dead!
Hey Dave, is Bin Laden in that four number of yours??
Dave_ Don't forget the Hurricane that Obama caused that helped him get re-elected. Seriously are you Republicans ever going to grow up?
Why is it this admin can do no wrong in many of your eyes? This was 9-11 and we were not prepared to defend, that is not in dipute. We should have been able to protect our people or at least caused significant damage to those attacking. I understand the intel situation being confuded at first but the right thing to do was to say we aren't sure exactly how this transpired and wait and collect all info. There was enough info to make reasonable people understand it was not just a video demonstration and to go out and make it seem that it was undisputably a video as was done many days after was wrong. Administrations mess things up big time, it is our responsibility to call them out on it regardless of political affiliation.
How are you expecting the US to protect those interests exactly?
send military to every consul, embassy, mission, etc in the middle east? if so how many do you consider enough to defend each one?
TO ALL REPUBLICANS...YOU LOST!!!!! GET OVER IT. THIS IS A NON STORY EXCEPT FOR FOX NEWS TRYING TO MAKE THIS INTO WATERGATE 2.0. AMERICAN DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!
I'd like to start the conversation about the lack of adequate security too. I'd like the GOP to answer why they refused funding for embassy security. Then I'd ask the State Department to answer how they make the decisions about which embassies to fund well and which embassies to neglect.
I agree, but it wasn't only the administration that changed anything and, according to them, they only changed the Consolate to the mission, which really isn't that big of a deal. The problem here is that you had the FBI and other intelligence communities making changes to the statement prior to the White House receiving it. There were too many hands in the pot and that is what you get when too many people get involved in something like this. Everything should have been coordinated through the CIA and then the final copy sent to the White House. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
When did Security at an Embassy start requiring a Presidential Act?
Why is it this admin can do no wrong in many of your eyes? This was 9-11 and we were not prepared to defend, that is not in dipute. We should have been able to protect our people or at least caused significant damage to those attacking. I understand the intel situation being confuded at first but the right thing to do was to say we aren't sure exactly how this transpired and wait and collect all info. There was enough info to make reasonable people understand it was not just a video demonstration and to go out and make it seem that it was undisputably a video as was done many days after was wrong. Administrations mess things up big time, it is our responsibility to call them out on it regardless of political affiliation.
@ cwh..... DId you read the article? The Obama Administration gave the American people information that was from the intelligence community......The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to the White House......In other words, the video came about from what the intelligence community provided.......You cannot call out the Administration on information that they received from the intelligence community.....Furthermore, any common sense person knows that you have to proceed with caution with any kind of intelligence especially in the early stages.....The Administration handled it as best they could and my hope is that they bring to justice the terrorists who are responsible for this tragedy.
This is a cover up! Obama couldn't let the American people know he hasn't a clue about terrorism. If anyone doesn't recognize he has lied repeatedly to the American people over the dead four Americans, they are clueless!
Yeah, because his Record against Terrorists is so poor ....... lol ..... wing nuts ...... lol
Enough already. No more birther nonsense, no more Benghazi. The guy is clean and, even if he wasn't, he's teflon. GET OVER IT.
When the fire get's hot enought the Teflon will self destruct.
Larry- Yeah it's just us , the clueless majority. You Lost now do everyone a favor and Get Lost.
There are many things Obama wished you could tell him- Obama Spies are like pubic lice – all they do is suck and itch. Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
off meds?
What's wrong with people like you is you want to squeeze water from a rock. Repubs and people like you expect miracles from our president. Obviously, Gloucester coudnt do better. Why are they spinning this out of control. The only worm here is you.
WHAT NONSENSE coming out of the "most transparent white house in history"....
Ha,Ha,ho,ho- another delusional Republican heard from- You Lost now Get Lost.
I presume your screenname is supposed to mean Free Speech, poorly spelled as it is..... Is it that you support free speech, only as long as it supports you?
Are the grapes as sour as you make them appear?
Umm...Do you have anything called "evidence" to back up your claim?
Keep up the good work GOP and you won't get my vote in 2014 either. Morons.
Something tells me, they never had your vote to begin with...
Not true. I vote for the best candidate. But I'm not prejudiced against black people so I had no problem voting for Obama.
Try to be honest.
prejudiced against black people? Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe, just maybe, people don't vote for Obama because they don't like his policies? I guess that's an impossibility for some liberals.
The policies that Bob Dole ran on in the 90s? The privacy-violating policies that George Bush initiated? Please, tell me more.
What policies?
Debt polocies? He tried to stop the debt train Bush started w/no help from the party that started the recession that would have been a depression w/o Obama?
Nat'l HC – Obamacare? you all can't STAND that it will be a black democrat that history will recognize for bringing this nation in line w/other industrialized and progressive nations in the care of its people
Nat'l security – got Bin Ladin – HELLO!! got us out of Iraq – working on getting us out of the Graveyard of Empires
What HORRIBLE policies? (please respond w/reality)
Dougie: No doubt there are many who don't like his policies but it would be disingenious at least to not admit that there certainly is a group of rascists who would not support him if he were to bring World peace and end all hunger around the world.
@frespech.......and the very same could be said in the reverse!!
Are you really blind to the fact that so many people DO hate this Man because he doesn't look like them?
@ gladiatorgrl.........wow, just wow. Once again, you oppose Obama, and all of a sudden it's about race.
Get over yourself.....People who oppose him, largely oppose him because they don't like his politics, not the color of his skin. The only people making this about race is democrats!!
Its funny you bring up Obamacare. Just today hospitals all over are announcing layoffs in the thousands. Companies are changing the way they operate because of obamacare, and not for the better.....for the worse!! There's no doubt the healthcare system need fixing, but scrapping the entire system was not, and is not the answer. People will continue to lose their jobs over this thing!!!
Actually the US military got Bin Ladin, just because it happened on Obama's watch, doesn't make him the mastermind of killing Bin Ladin. Fact is, whomever was president, likely would have made the same decision. It's one I applaud Obama for making, but lets be realistic on how it came about.
The Iraq war was ending anyway, on a timeline already set up by Bush. So how exactly does Obama get credit for that?
By the way, are you aware that more Americans have died in Afghanistan under Obama's watch, than under Bush's? What fantastic policy ::rolls eyes::
@ B4cons......not at all.....I have no doubt that there are racist people in America, and across the globe. However, I know they aren't the majority, and I know they exist in the reverse as well!!!!
You guys act like it's the norm, and it's not. Believe it or not, people actually don't like Obama, because they don't like his politics. I know that's a hard pill to swallow for some, but that doesn't make it less of a fact.
It is always amusing to me how liberals screamed about conspiracies when Dubya was in the WH, but now the the Bamster is there (still can't figure that one out – that's what you get with creative bumper stickers, I guess) "there's nothing to see here", "you are all brain dead racists", yadda, yadda, yadda.
well i remember the 9/11 being inside job, and report faked to get support to invade iraq conspiracies but what other ones did i miss?
and compare those to the conspiracy ideas about practically everything Obama does. Heck even the border guard killed in friendly fire the other month had people coming out saying it was another Obama conspiracy. And I dont recall anyone coming up with a theory about Bush's 'real dad' and yet even that gets thrown out about Obama.
Thats the difference between the Right and Left ...... when a small % of Left Wing Nuts said 9/11 was an inside job and Bush was involved or knew about it ...... the Rest of the Left called them out for the id iots they were.
I think you guys are missing the entire point in this. The problem is not changing the terms Al Qaeda to Extremists, no matter who changed it. The problem is between 2 days and 2 weeks after the incident, everyone in the administration was calling the attack solely a response to a youtube video, that mind you only roughly 300 people had seen prior to the actual attack. The fact remains, that even if the intelligence community didn't want to name names, or organizations, they did know that it was a terrorist attack, and not the result of a youtube video.
If there was in fact conflicting intelligence, then why didn't the administration treat it as such??? Why didn't they come out and basically state that? Why not say "we believe it could be a result of a couple of issues, of which we are investigating" ???? Instead of being so definitive that it was a youtube video!!!
And this guy remains jailed because of this. Obama could pardon the guy at any time an free him of an unjustified lock up.
Dougie in case your memory has failed you again there were many uprisings because of the film so I doubt the filmaker is getting out of jai anytime soon. In actuallity he was put in jail for a parole violation.
So tell me again what the youtube video had to do with Benghazi ????
Again, my point is not that they had multiple intelligence streams, which gave them conflicting information. My point is, why come out so definitively naming the video, when they had evidence that conflicted that? But I guess you didn't read that in my statements, because it doesn't suit your argument.
Ummm... You do realize that there were actual widespread demonstrations throughout the middle east in response to that youtube video and that people died as a result, right? Nah, I guess your probably don't.
Good use of the Conservative "Selective Memory" ....... In Real Life, there were uprisings all over the Middle East over that film.
I think you nail most of the questions on the head. My big question is why did Obama continue that line of publicity for two weeks when it was obvious to even the most biased news organizations that it was dreadfully wrong? I mean the American people who have been understanding, even expecting, if Obama had told the truth and told us it was another 9/11 terrorist attack by Al Qaeda. I doubt he would have lost one vote over it. So why? It is the strangeness of it that I would like to know about.
While I think what the White House did was senseless and tragic, the film-maker is NOT jailed because of this. This led to his parole officer finding out he was in violation of his parole. Since he had stolen a lot of money through fraud he was told that he could use NO alias and limited internet access. And none of this was in violation of any U.S. law as he was a convicted felon on parole. He knew the rules and broke them anyway. I agree that the White House was completely wrong in the way they handled this, but let's not start some silly crusade for a convicted felon who knowingly violated his parole rules. He has never been charged at all for the actual making of the film in anyway, shape or form.
Thanks for that information. It is the first time I had heard of it.
That's a fair argument.....
Thank you Dougler! I also believe that the point is getting missed in all this. Yes, there were some demonstrations going on at other embassies over that film, BUT repeated requests for additional security were denied in a very unstable region. I just don't understand that. I would have thought that the anniversary of 9/11 alone would have required increased security at any number of locations.
Personally, I think it boils down to a screw-up. I think they realized afterwards that for whatever reason, adequate security had not been provided, terrorists then took advantage of that and planned a full-on attack. BUT, there is an election going on so some butt-covering started so the waters would be muddied enough to keep everyone in the dark as to what exactly happened. It is still going on with all of this focus on wording. I think things like this just might be why Hillary Clinton is stepping down.
You're welcome Shawn.
I certainly don't take this as an impeachable offense, or anything to that level....But there are missteps in this incident, and to ignore them, and fix them, would be a disservice to future personel, along with the administration itself.
I think this is an accurate accounting of what happened. Too bad politicians can't just say it like you did!
I believe that the GOP wants to put our citizens stationed outside America in harms way. McCain and peter king both have discussed confidential intel on TV to flex a muscle they DO NOT have. There are people working under cover, you know SPYS, who they try to out just like dick chaney did all so they can pretend to be so damn important. I've already lost 2 family members due to leaked intelligence in Iraq and Afganistan. That's more than enough when it's a direct result of republicans giving awaw secret intel on TV. How many people in other countries will help u again when they know the losing party will give them away to pretend to look smart? None will. So McCain, King, McConnell, Boehner an all you so called patriotic politicians, SHUT THE HELL UP. You ARE a danger to our fighting men and women. YOU are n the edge of TREASON. Providing secrets to the enemy IS a CRIME. You are NOT immune. Start cting lie Americans not like best friends to the murdering enemy. Tine to RETIRE John McCain. Your dementia slips out for public view on TV and you can't keep trying to hide it successfully. Your time has past. And one more thing, Obama BEAT your lying ass 4 years AGO. Get over it and stoip the 2 year olds tantrums. Be a man. That "war hero" tag has worn out itks relevince already.
Dougler: To your above statement I happen to agree. What concerns me most is, why wasn't there more security, why wasn't the consulate just vacated as other countries had done and why could we not react more appropriately to the situation. I don't have these answers and I consider them more important than to who called it what and why. Calling it a Sunday School Picnic doesn't alter the outcome, anymore than calling it a response to a video or a terrorist attack does.
Those things listed look like the truth you kool-aid drinkers dismiss as nothing. Is there anything this president does that you would not support?
Nope!
It's sad that republicans have wasted so much time on such a silly thing. Who cares what they called it right after the attacks?? It doesn't matter! We know more now which is great, but this is just sour grapes and it's pathetic.
1. We care because of the blatant misleading to fit the campaign meme Osama died, al Qaeda is on the run. That's what the video strawman is all about. It is and was dumb and the truth from day one would not have cost Obama the election.
2. How can it be sour grapes since GOP has been on this since 9/12/12?
B: Read the article. Let me save U some time.
The intelligence community – not the White House, State Department or Justice Department – was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points
I see all the Dems rally against any attempt to shed light on some facts. oh yeah, I forgot, Bush organized the attack.
na,na,na,na, hey,hey,hey, Good-bye!
No Combat Vet, Bush didn't organize the attach. He did know about 9/11 before it happened though
I can't wait until they get those secession "Arks" ready!!! Get their azzes out of here, ...away from me, and my Great nation! They serve absolutely no purpose, and are a danger to the American people. Especially considering we're still at war. The average IQ of this nation will rise by at least 50 points! God bless the U.S! It's time to call out the treasonors, and exile them.
The really crazy thing about all this is that while Republicans try like hell to make a scandal of the talking points the truly important question is why was security so lax at the 'mission' and what can be done to prevent another tragic occurrence like this. Maybe if we focused on what really matters here instead of trying to trip up the President for political purposes then something beneficial might come from this tragedy.
There are many things Obama wished you could tell him- Obama Spies are like pubic lice – all they do is suck and itch. Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
There are treatmenta available for your disorder. Ask your doctor if they are right for you.
Mike- could not agree more. I do believe at the end of the day these things you are questioning are exactly what will be determined at the end of this entire investigation. Not whether it was a Video, a terrorist attack or a bad picnic that caused it.
The Eclipse Group, run by Iran Contra figure Duane Clarridge, got the security contract for Benghazi. He put untrained, unarmed Libyan security guards onsite. The Eclipse Group is not a security company. They are a corporate spy organization. Blue Mountain security is the UK organization contracted by the State Dept.
If you want to know why a neoconservative with ties to Cofer Black, Mitt Romney's national security adviser, got the security contract and then deliberately weakened security, we have to find out who at Blue Mountain made the decision to subcontract to The Eclipse Group. I suspect the State Dept found out that info months ago.
One wonders whether those "...Republican members of Congress" (who) "... suggested the change came from within the Obama administration – from the White House, the Justice Department, or another government agency." will now have the integrity to admit that they were making random, partsina, and basless claims – lying, in other words.
I'm betting 'not'.
It'll just cue their newest Conspiracy "Theory".
If you can explain which lie is the truth?
I hope no one ever does the same ugly thing to them!
CNN was tipped - Israel "miscalculated" the Arab League –yes, a truce for now. Obama gets NO CREDIT -Shame Duck Clinton gets NO CREDIT - might be bad luck for truce - who would risk that? Not Israel right? Obama is in Far east with boy toys - "phone call diplomacy" had no effect - the "missiles" are still there.
Here is my take on the whole issue. The types of incidents need to be fully investigated. The problem was that for purely political gain Mr. Romney made an issue of this the minute it happened. That meant that the Government had to make a statement before they had a chance to do any real investigating into what actually happened. Also, if the CIA and FBI are involed there are probably things we won't ever nor should we know.
There are all sorts of conspiracy theories from Republicans about the timing of the release of information of the Petraeus affair. Did it have to do with Benghazi. Well, Eric Cantor knew about it. Do yo think if there was something there that could change the election he would have stayed quiet. I think it was the republicans who picked the time. They knew Obama was going to win so they wanted to take the spotlight off his winning. Sure did work.
Everyone loves the Honorable Barack Obama –even Republicans. There are many things Obama wished you could tell him- Obama Spies are like pubic lice – all they do is suck and itch. Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
FireBall: U really should get off the moonshine, not only does it kill brain cells which is self evident but in the long term U may go blind.
Your take is to cover up a delebrate misleading of the American people for political gain! Now that sounds like a fair way to handle four dead Americans caused by the incompetence of the Obama Administration.
Trickle: READ the article.The intelligence community – not the White House, State Department or Justice Department – was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points
Splat! The anti-Obama crowd just got hit in the face with their own cream pie. Clowns and fools.
So what the intelligence community is saying is..Because Republican/Democrats get Intel briefings and knew what really happened...and because the Republicans decided to politicize the handling of intelligence in terms of mass media...We should now give terrorists information about how the intelligence community got the information they have, where they got it from, why they didn't want to compromise their sources. etc etc....Yes Republicans, the Party that will put Political interest ahead of National Security while screaming about...National Security....As much as I think Bobby Jindal is a putz...he's right you need to stop being the party of stupid..
This is a non-issue. The "American people," aka FOX, have no 'right to know' everything the intelligence community is working on. These are the same people who once claimed Obama had blabbed about the OBL raid while we still had troops on the ground(he didn't) crying because someone didn't blab while we still had troops on the ground. It's shamefully partisan and makes John McCain look like a senile dupe being used by party extremists.
Thank God these awful people didn't get their bankster candidate into the White House this time!
OPbama and Susan Rice did lie and our people died.
What does picking apart words have to do with the death of 4 Americans?? Please tell me what proof you have Obama and Rice lied....Then I guess you can say that Bush and prior Secretary of State Rice lied as well...Hello?? For that lying-we had over 4000 Americans killed in Iraq...
Since I'm sensible person, I know that Bush didn't lie, nor did Rice....They were also given inaccurate intelligience....And BOY, was it inaccurate....It caused 4000 or our people to die in a senseless war....
So please be sensible!!
There are many things Obama wished you could tell him- Obama Spies are like pubic lice – all they do is suck and itch. Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
well lets see, obama knew it was an "act of terror" the next day, but somehow susan rice thought it to be spontaneous.
at best this admin. is completely incompetent. wake up kool-aid drinkers.
@tony: The article explains the reasoning behind the altered talking points. Did you read it? At this point I suggest the administration go back to doing the people's business and ignore the static. If the House wants to waste time on this, it's their choice.
I thought this was going to be worse than Watergate! Dream on!
jackfrost or jackxss? Get a life swallow your sour grapes you lost move on.
Geez, why are we harping over such a non issue like this. this isn't like Monica Lewinsky or Iran contra. find me a real scandal or move on.
This is such a non issue.
Hey Frosty- Time to grow up and read with some intelligence or maybe go back and finish high school. Clearly they did not lie and if your intent on your anti Obama tirades, how about moving over to the (not necessarily the news Fox) Network.
Actually not. Now if you want to talk about a liar, another Rice comes to mind.
You are way off... People died and (maybe Obama) changed the narrative. You are thinking of George Bush when you speak of lies and people dieing (remember WMD's). This is a classic case of the Chicken or the Egg, which came first. If you really want to dig into why honorable people died you should be researching why the republican Congress did not give funds to beef up security for our consulates around the world.
Jackfrost"Your feeble little mind died some time ago.
Are the Republicans SERIOUS??? They are disputing over removing the word Al Qaeda and using extremists instead??
HELLO??? Isn't Al Qaeda an extremist group anyway?? Isn't Al Qaeda a terrorist group anyyway??
Who cares if they used the word extremist?? That's exactly what any and all terrorist groups are! They are picking apart the wording?? Do you see how absolutely ridiculous that is??! They just lost an election and now they are picking on words and a black female....Good luck trying to win the electorate of this country!! Did they not learn anything from this past election??!! GOOD RIDDANCE!!
Obama Spies are like pubic lice - all they do is suck and itch. Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
Totally serious, not ironic, not joking: please see a psychologist about your undiagnosed schizoid tendencies.
Just keep spewing the hatred, racism, and lies. Americans told you on Nov. 6 that they are SICK and TIRED of your Republicon BS and spin on everything the Democrats do. They didn't buy it then, what makes you think they will buy it now? This is the reason you lost so badly, and this type thinking will be the reason that the Republican party is a minority party, very soon.
The issue is not the wording. That is all a diversionary tactic to hopefully get people to forget the real change which was to NOT recognize that the attackers were terrorists but were just regular folks who were objecting to some film that nobody had seen. So soon you forget in your effort to support what is appearing to be total incompetence in the WH.
Nothing will come of this entire episode..all blown out of proportion by some crybaby sore losers..get over it. Your not taking the country back to ozzie and harriet. FIINAL.The country spoke all around advancing progressive ideals. i hear same same from all right wing sore losers about the health care bill as well. I tell them what I now tell you. If you find Obamacare roo hard a pill to swallow, you can now have it as a suppository.
Partisan sheep like you make me laugh. Obamney doesn't give a toss about you.
As an independent, I agree with Chuck. From the start this has only been about attacking the White House, not the truth and certainly not about the Americans who died. I’m no fan of Obama but republicans are a joke.
TomTom: I don't often agree with your comments but this time I just gotta.
If Republicans are curious about why they were blitzed so badly in the recent elections, they need look no further than their penchant for finding wild, hare-brained conspiracies in even the most straight-forward events. Please leave your alternative universe and return to reality for a few minutes every so often so we can stop laughing and catch our breaths.
done and done,
Next!
Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention - the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing - where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)
You seem to be obsessed with what is in Obama's pants.
OMG! So republicans were aware of the initial report with the words al-queada and terrorism. Then, when Obama and Rice did not use those words, GOP assumed the administration doctored the report because of the election and began this massive scandal campaign. Well at least there is SOME bases for their madness. It seemed they all took a ride on the coo-coo express,
Changes made came from CIA. Wonder why they did not resubmit the report to the congressional committee after it was altered? Wonder why no one spoke up over where changes were made? It appears the worm may turn on the GOP. All this angst over a tempest in a TEA party. Geesh!
The Republicans and their conspiracys are hilarious! They live in the twilight zone!
The Rebubs can go to hell. What about that director, the one that was demonized and thrown in jail for practicing his right to free speech?
He wasn't thrown in jail for the movie. Get your facts straight.. And just because he has the right to say something stupi* doesn't mean that i don't have the right to say he is stupi*. Works both ways
Conspiracy? Maybe not. I am a republican who loves conspiracy theories and can spin one with the best, but if you ask me to open my own wallet to place a bet I will put my money on ignorance and incompetence 99% of the time. However several disturbing facts remain in this mess. First there is a difference between relaying a sanitized talking point given to you by the intelligence community and embellishing it with falsehoods that were not included in those talking points such as it being a reaction to a six month old film. Second, to continue the lie after the truth was known despite the content of the initial "intelligence talking points". Third, and I would love to hear reaction to this; 911 was planned, funded and the perpetrators trained during the Clinton administration, and it occurred when the Clinton era intelligence community folks were still in place even though Bush had taken over 9 months earlier, yet we blame Bush for their intelligence failure; then we went to war in Iraq based on the same Clintinton era personnel's faulty intelligence that even democrats like Hillary and Ted Kennedy believed (after all it came from the folks they helped put in those Intel positions), and yet we still blame bush; SO I ASK: Why do we not hold Obama to the same standard of responsibility for the Intel failures when it was his (truly his and only his) people?
Karl_ your last name wouldn't happen to be Marx would it. Blaming 9/11 on Clinton is like blaming the New York Giants
for the loss by the New England Patriots in last Years Super Bowl.
Republicans at it again. Lose the election and go on a witch hunt. They simply have no class or desire to do what is best for the country. What a sad, sad bunch. I sure am glad that the Republican party is going down the toilet, as an Independent I am sick of them.
Looks like the Little Poo Poo is worried -CNN is finally getting his serious attention – the "Blue Spies" are out in full force and fishing – where's the little worm? Look in Obama's pants (wink)