Official: Changes to Benghazi talking points made by intel community
By Pam Benson
The intelligence community - not the White House, State Department or Justice Department - was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points distributed for government officials who spoke publicly about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the spokesman for the director of national intelligence said Monday.
The unclassified talking points on Libya, developed several days after the the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, were not substantively changed by any agency outside of the intelligence community, according to the spokesman, Shawn Turner.
Republican criticism of the talking points intensified last Friday following a closed door hearing with former CIA Director David Petraeus.
Rep. Peter King, R-New York, told reporters after the hearing that the original talking parts drafted by the CIA had been changed and it was unclear who was responsible.
"The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaeda involvement and yet final ones just said indications of extremists," King said.
The September 11 attack resulted in the death of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
The unclassified talking points were first developed by the CIA at the request of the House Intelligence Committee, whose members wanted to know what they could say publicly about the Benghazi attack.
Benghazi talking points omitted link to al Qaeda
The initial version included information linking individuals involved in the attack to al Qaeda, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the drafting of the talking points. But when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, there was a decision to change "al Qaeda" to "extremists." The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes.
"First, the information about individuals linked to al Qaeda was derived from classified sources," the official said. "Second, when links were so tenuous - as they still are - it makes sense to be cautious before pointing fingers so you don't set off a chain of circular and self-reinforcing assumptions. Third, it is important to be careful not to prejudice a criminal investigation in its early stages."
Some Republican members of Congress suggested the change came from within the Obama administration - from the White House, the Justice Department, or another government agency.
Turner, the spokesman for National Intelligence Director James Clapper, said that was not the case.
"The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback," Turner said, referring to the White House, Justice Department, State Department, Pentagon and FBI. "There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community," he said.
The House Intelligence Committee was not satisfied with Turner's statement.
"The statement released this evening by the DNI's spokesman regarding how the Intelligence Community's talking points were changed gives a new explanation that differs significantly from information provided in testimony to the Committee last week," said committee spokeswoman Susan Phalen. "Chairman Rogers looks forward to discussing this new explanation with Director Clapper as soon as possible to understand how the DNI reached this conclusion and why leaders of the Intelligence Community testified late last week that they were unaware of who changed the talking points."
The White House on Friday said it made only one change, substituting the word "mission" for "consulate."
The FBI requested a change in language which originally stated the U.S. "knew" Islamic extremists participated in the attack. According to a U.S. intelligence official the wording was changed to "there are indications" Islamic extremists participated.
Obama administration continues explanations on Benghazi decision-making
The drumbeat of criticism began early on with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration for publicly saying the attack grew out of a spontaneous protest against an anti Muslim video on the web even though the Republicans claim the administration knew it was a planned terrorist attack.
The harshest criticism has focused on Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, who used the talking points as the basis for comments she made on Sunday talk shows five days after the attack. During her appearances, Rice said a small number of people came to the mission in reaction to demonstrations occurring in Cairo over the anti-Muslim film, but the Benghazi protest was hijacked by armed extremists. She never mentioned terrorists.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said this isn't about parsing words. "There was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. That's my concern," Rogers said last Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Former CIA Director Petraeus told lawmakers last Friday there were multiple streams of intelligence, some that indicated Ansar al Sharia was behind the attack, according to an official with knowledge of the situation. But other intelligence indicated the violence at the Benghazi mission was inspired by protests in Egypt over the anti Muslim video.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, told CNN on Monday that Petraeus explained why the talking points were changed.
"Gen. Petraeus made it clear that that change was made to protect classified sources of information, not to spin it, not to politicize it and it wasn't done at the direction of the white house. That really ought to be the end of it, but it isn't. So we have to continue to go around this merry go round, but at a certain point when all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on," Schiff said.
CNN's Dana Bash contributed to this report.
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Five days after the event and the administration sending a high ranking (Rice) representative to blow smoke on a Sunday morning news program. They knew it was mis-information and a deliberate attempt to mislead. It would have been better that Rice stay home (sick with the flu). Now they say it was just bad "talking points". Rice had to know better but went anyway. Cheap sale of your integrity to remain part of the "team" and hope to get backing for the next promotion. This should dis-qualify her for Sec. of State. No one will ever believe her again.
When instructed to use the talking points, she did so. I seriously doubt that she, as an individual, knew beforehand that the information had been altered by the Intel folks. There is a reason our government does not disclose each and every bit of intelligence it receives. And there is a reason why sources are not "outed" such as what happened to Valerie Plame (sp?). Now THAT was an act of treason and all of the perps should have been shot.
This is one of the stupidest non scandals ever. It's time for Congress to address the real problems we have.
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
Dude, you have no idea of how the intelligence folks work. We, the people, are not destined to know each and every tidbit of information received. I have no doubt in my mind that, while the POTUS may have known in advance that al Queda was involved, on advise from the intelligence community, he parroted the altered talking points, again, in order to preserve inteliigence sources, et al. That need will not diminish, regardless of who is in the WH. Is it a bald faced lie? No more so than, "I am not a crook."
Hear, hear!
Hamas was waiting for the Iranian "green light" - Piers Morgan was warned - why feel shocked?
Wow, I never read so much tinfoil hat stuff at one time. This topic is really bringing out the psychos and I hope the FBI and Secret Service are monitoring a few IP addresses. Some of these loons are fit to hurt someone.
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/19/ugly-truth-about-benghazi-and-team-obama/#ixzz2Clho6HmM
You're citing a Fox News Op Ed piece? Epic fail!
DT – Fox news is always such an accurate UNBIASED source of information. Rupert Mourdoch is a lieing piece of garbage and his companies are consistently getting caught lieing to fullfill his own agenda of filling his pockets with cash.
Yes, bring out the Obama STASI to surpress legitimate free political opposition speech.
Texasmike,
The MSDNC tinfoil hat is on your head. Even the left-leaning Pew research states Republicans/Tea Party are more intelligent voters than Democrats. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b7d_1314816532. Trying to wagon circle around Rice on your dubious claim to intel expertise in this particular manner is far from convincing. And yes, embassies are always attacked, the question is why have so many been destroyed and so many ambassadors killed under the last 3 Democrat presidents?
This talking points business is hooey. We need to know why our intelligence and security was so poor and that should be the basis of investigations. If the GOP wants the reins back they need to get off the political ditty-box and go to work.
This people are still trying to spin this! It's not about "words" being changed, it's about sending Rice out on 5 Sunday shows and trying to blame the attack on an innocent person and his stupid video! It's sickening how the government treats us like stupid people!
This is so true. Spin and more spin. If the Director and his chief Assistant make a statement to congress that the mention of terrorists was in the original talking points and that they were not changed at CIA then someone else changed them. Who, and why. The big question is still, why did the WH and State Department watch the fight on TV and take no action to save the people being killed. Someone needs to go to jail for a long long time.
Yeah John McCain but he's almost dead anyway so it wouldn't be all that long.
B S. Then why didn't this come out months earlier? Nice attempt at obfuscation.
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/19/ugly-truth-about-benghazi-and-team-obama/#ixzz2Clho6HmM
Wow Fox news opinion? I.m glad you use reliable sources.Nothing partisan there.
What a shock.....it doesn't implicate the Whitehouse so you don't believe it. I'm stunned.
The "good girl gone bad" talking points
Time for the Rep. id*ots to stop this witch hunt. If they really want to find out the truth they should look at the intel agencies ad get off this get the Obama admin on every issue. This will just assure another major defeat for them in 2014 and then in 2016.
Oh those pesky Republicans with their facts! How dare they!! You people are hilarious. Surely you can't be this ignorant... oh wait, you get your news from CNN!!!
Republicans and facts are mutually exclusive, idiot.
The point is that repubs don't have facts! Everything on Benghazi is speculation and conjecture. Facts are something repubs don't believe in unless, of course, it somehow benefits them!
Facts? Sorry, I didn't realize there were facts behind this. That's great! It means the controversy can be quickly put to rest. So please remind us again what the facts are that prove that the story was altered by Obama for political gain. I assume there's more to this theory than you simply being able to imagine it to be true.
yet here you are David, on CNN. The repugnantcans do not care what happened, who died, they only want to have a witch hunt to keep eyes off the fact they want to raise taxes on the middle class. The name David is too honorable for you to have.... I name you "Moron" – more fitting
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
What facts? That bunch of crap you hear on Newsmax and Fox News? Tell me you don't call that "facts" please...
Well I think everyone is aware that LORD OBAMA can do no wrong in the eyes of libs who bow down to his every word. Obama could literally set off a nuke in the middle of DC and his followers would say good riddance let our LORD lead us. PATHETIC.
You should have stopped at, "I think ..." because it is intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer that you clearly cannot ... think, that is. Turn off Faux News, put down the kool-aid and do your own research into how the intelligence community works. Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
yet it still doesn't explain why Obama lied and put the blame for the murders of our fellow americans on a stupid youtube video. That was NEVER included anywhere in the talking points.
He didn't lie, you sap. WHAT is wrong with you people? Is it something in the water you drink? Or the meth you inhale?
He is nothing but a lying pos and you know it. OH WAIT! I'm SORRY, he's just "evolving" an answer, right?
A material omission is a lie, Michael. Obama has a JD and knows this. Better get back on your meds, you' re sounding like a loon....
That is nothing but a deception, to deflect the truth. The administration, sought to mislead the people, for what purpose, has yet to be determined.
And how do you know this? The simple answer to my question is that you do not know this. What evidence do you have to support your statement? The answer is none. What you have is an uninformed opinion. I suspect you are a birther as well?
You all are very good at insulting and denigrating people who have legitimate concerns now will YOU answer why this lady went out on 5 shows with bad talking points?
You wouldn't accept the truth no matter what form it was in. You psychotic idiots are all too willing to believe anything but the truth before accepting a Black man as President. Seek some mental help.
Another unfocused libtard himself off his meds and seriously off point or wrong about almost everything he posts. Hitting the MSDNC bong in lieu of taking your meds does not a savvy poster make, Michael.
And learn how to use a comma. That sentence was painful to read.
It is a real shame that it came to this. Now even the intelligence community is having to publicly state the obvious... that Fox News and their political wing, The Republican Party, have gone off the deep end and are no longer functioning on the plane of reality.
Love that!
You people are all sick. Rather than fighting and bickering with each other from you keyboards why not go into the bathroom, jump in the tub, and slit your wrists. Why bother to breath if this is all you have to look forward to?
Are you writing this about yourself in your diary? How odd that you post such a gruesome request, were you molested? Do you have suicidal thoughts often? You really must have this well thought out. I mean,the whole part about the bathtub and all, wow, that just helps your family out so much by not having to deal with your blood on the floor. So much detail! Please lookup suicide hotline in your local yellow pages, call them they can help!
This is just a guess, but I think the language was changed b/c we didn't want to tip off the groups that we were listening in on their conversations, which they probably already know anyway.
Well they sure do now.....thanks to those ultra patriotic Republicans.
Solyndra: FAIL
Fast & Furious: FAIL
Benghazi: FAIL
...waiting for the next republican lie
Should not our first emphasis be on why was the compound reinforced as requested, and why could we get a drone there in 15 minutes but no help could be sent in an 8 hour battle? Makes me sick about this political about a cover up getting all the attention.
This was a good post until your last line which makes no sense. Yes, all of those are FAILURES of the Obama administration. Not sure how you brought Republicans into it though. Must have picked up your pipe before you finished the thought!
Never mind David, his republican daddy used to give him "special" attention every night after mommy went to bed. Can't be having that gay marriage... Would completely stop the republican special father / son relationships... How many boys do you have David ?
"The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes."
The only people that would have trouble with this are people that want to BELIEVE something without any evidence. Who would do that?
The kind of people who fly into buildings.
The "missiles" are ready and waiting for ground invasion - guess Obama was too busy drinking the French wine (and playing with his "Indonesian Boy Toys") to evacuate the "Precious Jews" - phone calls did not cut it, and "Queen Mother Media" knows it (and you thought the visual of blood dripping on toilet seats for hours was nausiating huh?)
What in the world are you even talking about? How sad to see the world through such a warped and cracked lens.
Sounds like you have been drinking too much wine. Simply weird posting.
the jews can take care of themselves....
You really are a looney tune. Get some help soon.
Okay,okay,I fibbed before but now I'm telling the truth,do you believe me now ???
This fooking nagga is a liar!
Ok, so i figured out your screen name IRA. I believe it stands for I R A Racist. Hey IRA, you left off the R. Maybe you left it off because you were in a hurry to get down to Walmart to buy your white sheet you'll be wearing at tonights cross burning. . . err, I mean redneck barbecue.
Why do you assume that he is a redneck? Becasue he made a really ugly and uncalled for remark? You think that the south is the only racist area of the country? I have traveled all lower 48 states and I have heard racist remarks in just about all of them. That remark is getting old. Should we all assume that if someone says their from Chicago that their gangsters and thugs? Or if your from Texas does that make you a cowboy? Why don't you just get over the name calling as well right after you do alittle research about where the term redneck came from.
Who wants to bet the above conversation is just one guy talking to himself.
Hope Shame Duck Hillary can do something - 5000+ Arab League warheads aimed and ready - then the Mideast "Hiroshima and Nagasaki" - if the cries of Palestinian children start to echo in the desert night.
"The official said the change was made for legitimate intelligence and legal reasons, not for political purposes."
The GOP will not accept that... the witch hunt will continue.
Shut up!
"but at a certain point when all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on," Schiff said."
You don't understand Republicans so much, do you? Facts aren't all that important in their minds.
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I agree with everything you said. The GOP is filled with them.
Totally accurate!
Obviously y7our vocabulary is extremely limited and I'm afraid you cannot even build a simple. grammatically correct, sentence. 3rd grade awaits you.
3rd grade doesn't want damaged goods.
You seem like the Kind of Guy, whom always tells the truth! Also, brilliant job of creating a response!
JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE NOT TOO ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEMS WE FACE AS A COUNTRY ... STARTING WITH "THE CLIFF" - US POLITICS, ESPECIALLY "GOP + TEA TURDS" ARE HOPELESSLY BROKEN!!!! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PETTY BLAME GAME!!! DISGUSTING!
PS: YEAH!! I KNOW I'M ALL "CAPS"
Potato, Potato. Tomato, Tomato. Terrorist, extremist.
I, for one, am sick to death of the Republicans in Congress nit-picking every GD thing that the Administration does or says. If we have to look forward to 4 more years of Republican witch-hunts, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Secede. The current choice of the super frustrated.
That's usually a wingnuts excuse to not acknowledge reality....by going into a fantasy land of the Confederate States of America.
Maybe if it was one of your family members murdered you would care but probably not since most ignorant individuals only care about themselves.
If one of my my family members was murdered by armed thugs I would not look for the proper "label" for their killers. I would simply call them murderers and would seek justice for my relative.
I think if this election showed us one thing pretty clearly, it's that the majority of the Republicans don't give a toss about anyone else. After all, you built it! Nice to see how you suddenly are all caring for these 4 Americans when it suits your need.
You do realize it's a simple turn-around of your own tactic don't you? For 8 years the democrats and media did the same to President Bush. They still do. Notice for the last 4 years everything has been Bush's fault? You will even reply to this comment that Bush did this and that and deserved the blame. Blame, blame, blame – that's the mantra of democrats everywhere. The problem is that the president is elected to lead this country out of the mess he inherits, not point fingers and whine about the last guy to hold the position.
So you're denouncing those that play the blame game even as you're blaming democrats for the current behavior of the republican congress? Irony at it's best. Behold the guiding principles of the party of personal responsibility: a) our behavior is your fault, and b) we will no be held accountable for the messes we created.
When policies that abjectly failed in the past are suggested for the future, pointing out how disastrous those policies were is not "blaming Bush". The Republicans gave us unpaid for tax cuts, unpaid for wars, a massive prescription plan and blamed the defecit on misguided bleeding heart liberal democrats spending too much money on education, infrastructure, and taking care of the poor, the sick, the elderly, and the mentally .
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
Go jump in the bathtub with that other brown lipped Obama a-kisser-
is this the turkey chicken flat face irish half breed woman.
Are you the racist POS that hides behind a wall of anonymity to post your warped garbage? GTH, jagoff.
Here's to you, Mrs. Obama (a toast with chilled "Chatenuef Bordeaux Blanc") - Jesus loves you more than you will know. Koo-koo-ka-choo, Mrs. Obama - "Little Barack Secret" - just the Obama's affair right? (wink)
Please kill yourself ASAP. Thank you
Do the orderlies know you are on the ward computer?
"The statement released this evening by the DNI's spokesman regarding how the Intelligence Community's talking points were changed gives a new explanation that differs significantly from information provided in testimony to the Committee last week," said committee spokeswoman Susan Phalen. "Chairman Rogers looks forward to discussing this new explanation with Director Clapper as soon as possible to understand how the DNI reached this conclusion and why leaders of the Intelligence Community testified late last week that they were unaware of who changed the talking points."
This one paragraph speaks volumns. My question to Director Clapper would be, "Were you lying then, or are you lying now?" When one lie doesn't work, let's try another one. In either case, it's still a lie and why lie to the House Intelligence Comittee. When UBL was killed, there was no hesitation on the part of the Obama Administration on releasing security details and sources involved with taking him down, to the extent that that Hollywood was allowed unprecedented access to National Security information to make sure they got all of the facts to make their movie.
your comment is based on an assumption that the word of Phelan and her boss, Rep. Rogers, can be trusted. sorry to say that Chairman Rogers is just another lying Rethuglican trying to score political points, consequences to the country be damned.
GOP = traitor in my book.
The testimony of Intelligence leaders had been widely reported as disavowing any knowledge of who, if anyone, had altered the talking points. It didn't just come from Phalen or Rogers, Try to stick to the facts and not color them with your bias.
Obama was telling the world for close to 17 days that this attack was the result of a video. Regardless of who made changes, he knew he was lying. Once Obama and others were shown the video of the ambassador greeting his guest good night they knew no protest or demonstration was occurring in front of the embassy/consulate/mission. Two lies were told for weeks, the first being the demonstration that did not occur and the second was the demonstration escalated due to anger over the video.
Hey bob, next time your wife asks you a question about something and you know the truth will wreak havoc in your home, go ahead and tell the truth. In fact, make sure you tell the truth to her about everything even if it hurts her feelings. We all alter the truth to protect ourselves and others. That's human nature. What? Does me telling the truth to you right now hurt your feelings? What our government does is not always easy to swallow is it? Do you want the truth of why we were in Vietnam? Iraq? Korea? Afghanistan? How about why we have military bases in other countries but no other country in the world has a military base in our country? Hhmmmm. Truth telling is not our country's best quality is it? Its not in the general public's best interest to be told the truth. Just like you telling a lie to save your wife's feelings, we do it to protect others. Do you want to see the truth of the gore and dismemberment of our troops? No? Our government doesn't allow anyone to see that for a reason. Think about why humans alter the truth. When you own the guns and power, your truth is "The Truth"!
Excellent post.
A college educated white American-
You neither know the truth nor can handle it.
Obama called the attack "terrorism" on September 12, while violent protests over the video were ongoing in a dozen different countries, including Libya.
He did deceive, if Mrs Broadwell is accurate. There were two attacks in Bangazi and they were hours apart. The first was less well organized, though it did kill the Ambassador. The second was highly sophisticated and, as Petraeus' lover claims, succeeded in freeing two Libyans who were being held captive by the CIA. If she is correct, the goal of the attack may not have been terrorism at all. The term, "terrorism" is being thrown around far too loosely and it is imprecise to call armed attacks against us as "terrorism". This particular attack may have been designed to rescue fellow members of a militia whom we were interrogating, perhaps with enhanced methods.
Those who attacked us in Bengazi may be our enemies, but securing the release of captives is their way of not leaving their fellow soldier behind.
Make all the excuses you want for Obama and his administration. It doesn't matter which puppet string was pulled, Obama is responsible. Funny how they said they didn't want to prematurly blame "al Qauda" but were quick to blame it on the anti muslim video and video producer before it was verified, than continued to run with the story for days even after knowing it was totally false.
Obama and his administration also failed to adaquately protect the U.S. Mission despite repeated request, and failed to rescue them when they were being attacked, as the begged for help. It was a total failure of this incompetent administration, and most of the media is helping with the coverup.
Obama says The Buck Stops Here he's right! He is unfortunatelky our Commander In Chief weak as he is..
His Lies will catch up to him but I hope it's before he totally ruins our Economy weakens our milatary further kills jobs and raises taxes to the hilt so he can continue his wild spending sprees and throwing $$ at Green power Has there ever a less was the main purpose in his grooming to become a Politician and President destroying the USA Juan Williams on Fox News slipof the lip saying Obama ws just looking out for his i COMRADS??? Did he really say COMRADS ??? Yup
the media has shamed Obama for "doing" the Far East instead of Mid east -- now please do not go praising him for the eastern shuffle dupe, like you usually would do - you might spoil the French wine and his private "man time."
Your screen name should not read redfireball! It should read Red-Racist-Angry-Cause-We-Lost-Fire-Beathing-Dragon-I-Spew-Hatred. Way to go over poster!
You have no life, do you? You've been posting on here for hours. Typical pea brained Tea Bagger - hates the government so much it makes you just stay home and whine forever.
Your pathetic party of creeps is toast. You are clowns, GOP losers.
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Egypt is tasting the "new flavor" - beholded to US aide yet feeling the shared warm blood of Palestinians - and Hillary will be there to remond Egypt of the former more so than later? Guess some "new flavors" get puked.
Hillart did not want to leave for the Mideast - Obama wanted to be left alone at the Far East (and not for women) - no doubt he met some good looking youngmen who remind him of himself. I heard that Indonesian imports French wine, at least the older folks in Viet Nam still speak French. No Poo Poo, the Spanish were not there - "Gusto kita dahil sa maganda ka" cutie pie (wink)
Dude. You are a freaking joke.
I'm sure you'e a ball of fun for your family on turkey day.
So, a lower-level American state official (Clinton) was sent to talk with the highest of Israeli and Egyptian officials - while Obama remains behind in the Far East. Doubt the media embarrassed him to the point of sending out Hillary afetr the fact. Obama should have been there himself from the jump - the media and general public should not accept anything less. Hillary is just a "Shame duck joanna-come-lately" now. WHAT A FARCE - let's see how CNN/MSNBC/FOX play this up now. Don't worry Obambi-poo poo, we will always stay "one step ahead" - always "one step ahead" now fool.
CNN BREAKING NEWS: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton headed for the Mideast? Thought she was leaving the post soon. Who is she meeting with FACE-TO-FACE? Netanyahu "face-to-face"? What does she have to say to him after he was snubbed all these months by the Obama Admin (except by PHONE)?
In a separate issue, VP "Joltin' Joe" Biden invites the wounded from Walter Reed over for Turkey Talk - does that mean that Obama will be able to fund improvement in the VA healthcare System by the time they are discharged from Walter reed? Add it to the "wish list" before POTUS makes the required 2013 Budget cuts.
Someone should ask how MA Gov Deval Patrick and Attorney General Eric Holder feel about each other at this moment.
Susan Rice was with Barack Obama long before he became POTUS - she was with him in Illinois when he was Senator also. There is a long-term relationship. She is an extremely loyal "wicked seed" - and the wicked seeds drowned in the Great Flood despite the pleading screams. Nothing would make Congress or the General Public believe otherwise.
You're insane you know this right? Sera shrink
maybe he is getting some from her but I heard he was gay back in South Chicago?
Going through the postings it was interesting to note how we differ in thought and reasoning. ha..ha..ha. We are truelly scatterted, can't even understand each other talking one language. Remember there used to be one language in the World before our selfishness, self seeking ways scattered us and led to the many languages we speak today. "The intelligence community – not the White House, State Department or Justice Department – was responsible for the substantive changes made to the talking points distributed for government officials who spoke publicly about the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, the spokesman for the director of national intelligence said Monday".
very good - yes, satan knows the scriptures better than anyone of us - besides, he was there remember?
So isn't the president in charge of the intelligence community? If not, please tell me why we need a president that is apparently not responsible for anything that happens under his administration?
During the Nuremberg Trail, Nazi Generals asserted that they were only "following orders" then were hanged. No doubt the "well educated" Ambassador Susan Rice knows the story well. Historical lessons never learned are bound to be repeated.
#Godwin's Law
The editing is NOT the issue, the issue is why Rice and others said it was the video that caused the "spontaneous" attack. it was neither the video nor "spontaneous".
If she wanted to tell an unclassified version, just say we don't know at this time – while at the same time the classified version goes to Congress. Simple. Why tell lies?
Because if we say nothing, the people who we are looking for might have said "Hmm..... they know about us most likely, let's skedaddle!" Saying nothing would have been just as damaging as saying that these were terrorist attacks.
it is obvious you know nothing about the intel community!
The militia nerds here are really monotonic. I'm heading over the Hostess board. At least MBA union hater Twinkies over there can understand three syllable words.
OMG Shut the hell up already. You all take your partisan bs and stick it where it belongs. I'm sick of it. Sick to death of it. Deal with what is important, just this once. Republicans and Democrats we elected to the hill. Do your jobs. NOW! People died. Find out why and who is responsible and deal with it. It isn't a partisan matter any more than 911 was. The question is not who said what or when,. the question is who did what and how do we catch them and kill them. What was said or done after the fact is pretty damn irrelevant and making it an issue is extremely petty.
You idiot people who fall in the same trap here on these message boards make me absolutely nauseous. Do you hear yourselves? Do yourselves a favor. Turn off the computer. Go take a walk. There are other things out there besides politics. Is this really what you want your lives to be: Sitting behind a screen arguing with another troll on the other side of the political arena? Do you think you might be wasting what precious time you were given here on this earth?
Wait a minute. What the hell am I doing trying to talk sense to this bunch? Now I'm certainly wasting my time...
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We already know who is responsible: The stupid ambassador who prevaricated on how much security and what kind he needed and the Congressional committee that cut the dollars for embassy security.
LibyaGate is for amateurs. Now PlameGate... that was dopE. I'm getting teared up here just thinking about it.
CNN Anderson cooper interviewed Sean Smith's mother. She asked President Obama to let her see her son's body. the caskets remained sealed "for national security reasons." President Obama glanced out into the distance as Sean Smith's mother cried for help. That was after dozens of al qaeda extremists spent hours with her son - blood dripping on toilet seat below him as he stood facing the wall? You connect the dots - no doubt the "well educated and very intelligent" Susan Rice did long before given talking points. Question for Susan Rice: "Do you believe that women feel what they imagine more so than men do?"
You are disgusting. As a part of the military community we ask one simple thing. Please treat and discuss the fallen with respect. If you can't do that, then just keep your mouth closed. We do not discuss details, we do not do ANYTHING that shows disrespect and dishonor to the fallen OR their families which are still alive a reading the news. Please ... go "defend" someone else.
No kidding, the director of the CIA does not know who edited his report? Maybe we should ask the Director of the NSA? And they let the UN Ambassador look like a fool too. She should be asking her Boss if they really need her because it sure doesn't seem like it.
Well, the USA is a world power and have a way of doing their things. The digestion of the Benghazi incident seems likely to go on for a while, but i would like to know if i got my facts right! So there was a protest/demonstration outside the U.S. mission in Benghazi which Ambassador Chris Stevens had been foretold about by intelligence. During the protest/demonstration opportunistic extremists saw an opportunity to strike which they did with fatal consequences. Then followed the pre-election politics with its debilitating toxicity to the investgations. Am i right?
spot on. Don't forget, our embassy in Cairo was overrun, the peremiter of our embassy in S'ana, and tens of thousands of potestors in Islamabad and Karachi, and all over the arab world, and even in Europe. And hello, yes, most if not all was tied to the movie. Ambassador Stevens, a valiant man went on with his duties, despite the dangers as
Foreign Services Officers do around the world on a DAILY basis.
But what's fun about the simple logical explanation? And how does this help distract us while Boehner and Norquist cave on Revenue?
Seems to me we've been through this in great depth, far greater than we were over the invasion of Iraq which the last administration insisted was the right thing to do over WMD's that didn't really exist. After losing 5,000 troops in Iraq and on the order of a trillion $, we're deeply concerned over the specific description of what happened in Bengazi?
Four people died at the hands of extremists. I'm saddened by that and my heart goes out to them and their loved ones. However, even with this loss, this administration's record against terrorism GREATLY surpasses that of the prior administration. Keep in mind, we knew of the threat of al Quaida when Clinton was in office. In fact, when missiles were fired at OBL's residence, the GOP insisted it was a smoke screen to distract attention from Monica. Bush got into office, blinked, and we lost the WTC along with thousands of Americans.
GOP - 0
I feel much safe with Dems keeping our country safe.
There was not a demonstration at the consulate, it was attacked. NO demonstration. Now you have that part right.
Great!!
ANOTHER version!
Four dead Americans.
Watergate with bodies.
Disgraceful.
DOZENS of once-imprisoned Al Qaeda "extremists" spent HOURS with FOUR American men who were leaning against the bathroom wall - blood dripping on the toilet seat below them - then President Obama shouted, "Leave Ambassador Susan Rice alone - come get ME"?
You got some intense h0m0er0tic imagery going on in your comments! My screen is smoking right there big felluh.
Another libtard off his meds.....
Democrat destroyed embassy record:
1979 Ayayollah 1, Jimmy Carter 0
1998 Bin Laden 2, Bill Clinton 0
2012 Al qaeda 1, Barack Oblunder 0
See why they may be covering it up?
Your self-righteousness is astounding. I found your "score card" to be highly entertaining. But you forgot some other numbers:
4485- The number of American casualties since this war began during a Republican administration
2696-The number of casualties of the ORIGINAL 9/11, which also occurred during a Repubican administration
10- The number of years we have been in Iraq
...and my favorite number:
O (as in ZERO, NOTHING, NATHA,ZILCH)- the # of WMD's found since the war started, in Iraq-you know, the reason why we are "war"
ZERO is also the amount of apologies given to the families of the downed service men by the former administration -for sending their sons and daughters to fight a war based upon completely UNPROVEN allegations.
That is all. Goodnight.
Debasing another POTUS does not make Obama look any better - Congress will no doubt have the Bush-WMD-Irag defense well covered before the "fianl confrontation" - thanx for reminding them though (wink)
@Redfireball- I was being sarcastic...but for the record- giving factual information is not "debasing"...BTW-winking is for perverts-thanks
They did find WMD's they just didn't want to say so because then the bad Iraqis would have known that their secret WMD's had been found. Wait, isn't that the same excuse you libs are writing to cover Obama's butt?
You seem to have forgotten the 1983 Beirut and Kuwait bombings, the 2006 death of a diplomat in Pakistan, the 2004 on out embassy in Saudi Arabia....who were the president then? This issue has nothing to do with who is the President and what political party they belong to. It has to do witht he American theory that we can do what ever we want in the world and everyone will love us. If the roles were reversed and another country was using military force within our boarders you wouldnt like that very much so why they heck should they?
Connect dot "A" to dot " B,"...oh, sorry, that would be "racist, outrageous, extreme, politicized, reactionary,"....take your pick
Obama spikes Bin Laden football leaking intel. Now, libtards will have us believe the Benghazi concealment was purposeful to avoid disclosing intel, to wit: that we didnt want qaeda to know we were onto them. Lolololololololololpl
I would have asked Pakistan for permission!
No... Some of those details were probably known to very few people and the Intel community didn't want to expose those individuals that are working for them.
Congrats, you know less about intel than I originally thought.
Obama didn't have any problem ratting out the doctor in Pakeestan, right?
OBAMA LIED, THEY DIED!!!
Wow...you've been waiting all year to use that one...how original
Republicans are putting Americans at great risk by asking for secret details to be made public. Even an layman like me knows that sometimes, for the sake of security, the Pentagon and the President may have to lie to the public and even change intimate details for the sake of national security. If we go by John Mc Cain's plans, we will be frying American where ever they are!
You are dangerously ill informed and naive...much like the arrogant Narcissist in the WH
Right....like Prime Minister Singh immediately blamed a video after pakjihaddis torched mumbai.
This is an excellent point; maybe the Administration could not immediately give actual details of the attack because that would have revealed intelligence sources. It would have been easy enough for the Administration to say "we are not certain yet, but continue to investigate." Instead, the Administration spent several weeks giving out a bogus story about a "spontaneous demonstration" and an offensive YouTube video.
You are dead wrong....on so many counts...
As an American...I DON'T WANT TO BE LIED TO BY MY PRESIDENT, MY CONGRESS, OR ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE WHO WAS VOTED INTO OFFICE.
I'm intelligent enough to figure out for myself what the truth is and what I should think of the information being supplied. I don't need the President nor the UN ambassador to digest the information for me and spew out what they think I should know....
I WANT TO KNOW ALL THE FACTS...EVERYTHING...NO CENSORSHIP BY THE GOVT OF ANY SORT!!!!!
Like the Pakeestan doctor? Obama ratted him out.
CONGRESS WILL ASK SUSAN RICE AND JAMES CLAPPER: "Whay did all those terrorists and extremists do with our four American men for hours to cause bloody handprints on the bathroom walls and pools of blood on the toilet seats below the handprints?" FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR SUSAN RICE: "Do you think anyone heard screams of pain for hours?"
The Ambassador reported on what she was given by the intelligence community. The Ambassador had nothing to do with whatever decisions were made about Libya and bears no responsibility for any actions. Ambassadors don't . The decisions were made by the CIA and the Military. Now go ask the GOP why they REFUSED funding for security for Embassies and Consulates. The stated depatment said there was more security needed and the GOP refused. Think that had anything to do with those screams?
Like everyone says, Susan Rice is "very well educated and highly intelligent." She saw the CLASSIFIED version of what Al Qaeda extremists did with the four Americans for hours. To believe otherwise makes you the fool.
Typical libtard Obama lapdog apologist talking points. Ridiculous.
State Dept rep Ms Lamb said under oath funding had nothing to do with her refusal.
More security would not fit with the messiah's line that Al Queda was " back on its heels."
Nothing could be more false.
I cannot believe that this is what our political system as lowered itself to.
Conducting investigations and throwing out accusations of cover ups and sinister intentions all over semantics.
I find it appalling that instead of focusing on bringing the perpetrators of this attack to justice, Congress would rather try to turn the deaths of Americans into a stage for political theater.
Personally, I think all of those involved in this ridiculousness are not fit to serve as representatives of this nation.
Al, is it true you were ultimately busted for tax avoidance?
Yes, I'm just shocked...SHOCKED Democrats would try to cover up their FOURTH destroyed US Embassy and 2nd dead ambassador in the last 3 Democrat Administrations.
Wow, people – so much judgment before all the evidence is in. Before all those related to the incident have been questioned. How rational of you. How "American" of you.
General Petraeus has officially stated there was no politicizing of the talking points. And yet you all apparently know better than he.
Who can believe someone who was going out on his wife, right? Do you trust him now? Right?
Who can believe someone who was going out on his wife, right? Do you trust him now?
CNN once showed photos of red-colored handprints on a wall - showing he was facing the wall at the time. The photos also showed a toilet with red-colored liquid on the seat in front of the wall with the red-colored handprints. Question for President Obama and "Boston Hot Lips" Patrick: What did dozens of "extremists" do with only four American men for hours before they were caught in the crossfire between terrorists and the extremists?
2 security guys were killed by a mortar round, half a mile from the consulate building. they were part of the qrf reacting, at least get your facts straight.
CNN monitors chose to leave my comment on the board for a reason - think about it
why the coverup by the liberal sports media?
Two words for you...pew study. Look it up genius.
Pew! is right. Steelers really stunk up the field.
Libtards getting sidetracked again. Libtards without their meds....sheesh.
Too squeamish to say it? Then I will. A black man fu(ked it up and a black bit(h lied about it.
Why do you keep censoring my posts CNN? Com mie News Nutwork.
Well done. Semper Fi.
Vietnam Vet
The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.
Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first
ooooohh Raaaahhh
Hate... the official language of the GOP.
I hope your new commanding officer is black and reads your racist remarks just as he receives his new commission. Just for fun, why don't you send your current CO a copy of your post. Maybe you can go overseas and fight for the freedom of only you and your racist kind of brutes, and the freedom of all the non whites back here in America. I know now that your jarhead is an empty jar. Hey, maybe you can trade in your military uniform for a pointy hooded white sheet and parade around America claiming how you are defending our country. Yes, I do believe you should try that!
Do you hate much? Sounds like you hate a lot? Do you hate a lot of other people? Do you hate yourself? Do you hate the truth?
President Obama and "Boston Hot Lips" Patrick - dinner and a movie - and the men screamed for hours?
Barrack and Pat shoulda used KY, then. Biden used it on Ryan, after all.
Benghazi sould not be politicized. Four Americans were caught in the crossfire between terrorists and extremists. So what? Crap like that will hapen in Arab Spring. President Obama was right all along, and no doubt "we will find the ones responsible (for letting the four Americans watch the fight and get hot themselves) then bring them all to justice." Little wonder James Clapper and Susan Rice were confused. Mr. Clapper did not know if Congress was referring to the terorists or extremists, because there were two sets of talking points-one for each one. Then there are the talking points that incluse the Americans, and those that exclude them. Therefore, Susan Rice was very accurate in her presentation - depending on who she was talking about, and who you ask. As the Obama Admin - and rest of America - now knows, the Americans all died and very quick and painless death. Thank President Obama for "tender mercies" in the Far East, the Mideast and throughout America. As Democrat Schiff concluded, "When all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on."
Fact:
Four destroyed US embassies and 2 dead ambassadors under the last 3 Democrat presidents.
Fact:
Democrat party is an embarrassment to everybody but themselves, Putin, Hugo Chavez, France, and CNN/MSDNC. Even Canada laughs at Obama and his ridiculous brown shirt environmental stance.
Fact:
Pew Research study concludes the Obama electorate is less educated and far less knowledgeable about political, world and historical events. (i.e., I gots my Obamaphone!!) In other words, a dumbed down and welfare-bribed electorate.
Might explain why so many believe this cover story.
If you mean "less educated" in that fact that more of the Electorate that voted for the Obama administration this year held higher level degrees than ever before then you are absolutely correct. If you mean by less educated that more people turned out for a presidential election than ever, you are correct. If you mean by less educated more middle class Americans voted for him, yes you are correct. If you mean that more working women voted for him, yes you are correct. If you mean that more mothers voted for him, then again, yes, you are correct.
Fact: America is now on better diplomatic grounds with the majority of the rest of the world than ever in Bush's presidency. Additionally there have been more diplomatic solutions to foreign affronts achieved in the last four years than the eight preceding it. Oh, and the people Canada is laughing at isn't the Democrats, but their GOP contenders.
As for Embassy Attacks, lets look at recorded historical fact shall we?
Republican Presidents – Embassies Attacked (D = Destroyed)
Eisenhower – Turkey
Nixon – Cambodia, Philippines, Cyprus
Ford – Malaysia
Reagan – Lebanon x2 (1 D), Kuwait, Colombia x2, Portugal, Indonesia, Italy
Bush Jr. – India, Pakistan x3, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Greece, Yemen x2, Turkey
Total: 25
Democrats – Embassies Attacked (D = Destroyed)
Carter – Pakistan (D), Libya (D)
Clinton – Peru, Russia, Lebanon, Kenya/Tanzania
Obama – Pakistan, Libya (Benghazi) (Not destroyed, but deserted and desecrated)
Total: 9
So tell me again how our embassies are safer when a Republican is in office...
Your lies are so obvious they are as stupid as you are. Is there something wrong with your head?
we did not lose. we didn't! nah nah nah i don't care
Typical Democrat responsibility shirk tactic...blame the intelligence! As when:
Bill Clinton did when North Korea got the bomb.
As Congressional Democrats did after voting for the Iraq War.
Now we get this. Really makes the average American feel secure when Obozo cites intel reports indicating Iran is "years" away from nuclear weapons development.....
I feel like right wingers are just... using me
Nope...Democrats pre-empted that with the blame the intel card.
And you guys have long played out the Blame the Black Guy card.
Forgive my lack of brain people, but I just don't understand why most of you are blaming and defending while you miss the real story. I read when the attack went down a cry for help was sent out. A Seal Team guy, from another location close by, got on the phone to his dad and told him there is big trouble and we are told to stand down. He and a fellow Seal took it on their own to run to the building under attack, to help them. They were killed and so were the ambassador and another guy. Clinton threw herself under the bus, I guess to save her boss at election time saying they wanted more security but I didn't think they needed it. Now the intelligence commuity is throwing themselves under the bus. For days and days Susan Rice and others claimed it was all over a movie. I'm sure what the intell cut out was for the public but they would not cut that out for the president of the USA. He and all involved with our security need to know what was happing. I feel if it was a terroist attack the American people should have been told that from the start unless someone is hiding something.
They're hiding something. But they'll never tell you what it is. Sucks to be a right wingnut, huh?
Thanks but I just consider myself to be an American. I'm just a person that wants the truth from our goverment and a goverment that will do the best for all Americans. Lives were lossed and I do beliive things could have been done a lot differently. I do hope our country can get back on track before it is to late.
Rice hardly claimed anything for days and days. She gave one statement as issued by the intelligence department. The intelligence department has stated she stated what they gave her. So how did she lie for days and days?
Please wipe the brown off your lips, it is unbecoming to kiss that much Obama butt.
So what exactly is this about Bemgaszi in Lybia? My husnband said Governor McCain stopped talking about that when Onigma won.
Didn't the Libyan Government say the attackers were Al Quaida the day after the attack? Didn't they also say there were no protests at the Consolate? It's not like this was secret: the European and Arab knew the truth the day after. Our government had no reason to hide the information. Having our Ambassador directly contradict the Libyans and others for a week hardly seems smart both from a diplomatic and security perspective. I think Susan Rice should have given that some thought before parroting discredited propaganda, she didn't even acknowledge what other countries were saying.
She should have asked me for permission.
Hey Max. Yes Sir. That's a very good thought..
No reason? Not even the fact that anything told to us is also broadcast to the whole world, including our enemies who would just *love* to know where our current investigations stand? If these things aren't done cautiously, more people die. There's a big difference between transparency and stupidity. Blabbing every theory before we plan our next move won't help *anyone* and can potentially do a great deal of damage. Information is classified for a reason. Sorry if this goes against your desire for instant gratification.
I think people are lumping together 2 separate events which were not even both on 9/11. On the evening of 9/11, there was the attack on the mission, and on the morning of 9/12, there was the attack on the CIA annex. They were not necessarily organized by the same groups with the same agenda. Much of the confusion is arising from the representation of events as 1 long attack.
Inadequate security, lack of aid sent during the attack, false info given to the American people blaming an obscure video instead of terrorists.....this entire affair is so littered with lies and cover up. It matters to many of us to know the truth...the families of the 4 Americans deserve the truth, and the American people deserve to know if our president or others in the administration are covering up gross incompetence or something even more troubling. The mainstream media ignored this during the campaign. Now, following the election, Obama supporters try to dismiss this investigation as simply "sour grapes" from the Republicans. Surely all Americans would want to know what really happened before, during, and following the Benghazi attack. This is not a political issue; it is a matter of competence – or not, integrity -or not.
"obscure video"
right.
did the election not demonstrate that America is NOT that stupid?!
actually the election showed the exact opposite.
Bush delegitimatized himself without any help from the Democrats.
It's nice of the GOP to help Obama delegitimatize himself neither he nor the electorate seem up to the task.
This isn't about delegitimizing Obama – he's our president now, which commands respect. However, the administration tried to mislead it's people – this is a concern legitimized by 1/2 the country. Reminding politicians that we're watching closely protects everyone.
And I agree with Todd... 'yes' the video is a bit 'obscure'.
No one can "command" respect, it must be earned by the individual. We have respect for the "position" of the president, but not necessarily the occupant of
that billet.
No thinking person would follow Obama to the bathroom
Dick Goinya
Sounds you like had issues with Big Black Men following you into the bathroom in the Big House
What a joke. "Not SUBSTANTIVELY changed" says the fine print. Yet another Obama personality cult media outlet trying to rewrite history.
Thanks, Obama
Really, only a blindly partisan libtard would actually...actually believe the tall tale of the GS-13 intel analyst who just one day up and decided on his/her own individual whim to redact "Al Qaeda" and insert "reaction to video". Not substantively changed, says CNN Obama cult of personality director. Just laughable that anyone would even remotely buy this cover story. Anything to obscure the fact that the Democrat Party/last three Democrat Presidents have presided over 4 destroyed US embassies/consulates and 2 dead ambassadors.
Steeler
Try looking up how many embassies were attacked and how many people were killed under President Bush.
Steelers, your comments obviously lack any sort of knowledge on how the Intel world works... So why don't you just stop now, while you're... behind.
And just think how happy the perpetrators of the attacks must have been to see our leaders blaming a video. Maybe they believed it. Maybe it encouraged them to let down their guard just a tiny bit. Or do you think they don't read our news?
To be generous, I guess this is a GOP smokescreen while Boehner and Norquist quietly cave on taxes and slnk away with tails between legs
The talking points were changed by the Obama Campaign. That's why this is even worse than watergate.
now we know you're 5 and can't read yet Big Bird so no span king for you this time
Yep. You got that right Big Bird..
MonicaGate > WaterGate
9/11 + Iraq > BenghaziGate
yessir
I heard tonight that Senator McCain wants Susan Rice to apologize to the American people for not being forth coming. Senator McCain and Senator Graham, I think you both OWE Susan Rice an apology. And this is coming from a Republican that voted for Mitt in the Illinois Primary. Furthermore, as my name indicates, I am no longer associated with the Tea Party.
you know, she should, and Obama should offer to submit to immediate impeachment proceedings. By the time the electorate is finished rating that strategy in 2014, we will not hear from the GOP again for a long long time
She LIED. someone told her to say what she said 5 times, Had Bubba Bush done something of this nature or any other president all we would hear is impeachment. The politicians of today should all be fired and pay back the money they steal every time they get a paycheck. Educated idiots are in charge, on BOTH sides.
Oh yea Mark. Tell it like it is. Or should be...Great thinking....
oh and by the way mitt was briefed and told to s t f u, and did so during the last debate
"I can only conclude we are doing this because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election."–John McCain
...and McCain gave such a generous and graceful concession speech when it was his turn in 2008...
After reading this article I found myself curious to see what Fox news had to say on the matter on thier website and unsurprisingly I found nothing. Not a single headline concerning the matter. I just cant understand how certain people cant see through all the BS on that site by just comparing it to anyother news agency in the country. To me its OBVIOUS how totaly BIASED FoxNews is compared to all the the others and Im not even American with a biased agenda one way or the other so Im reading through clear glasses, unaffected by American party partisanship.
More generally the Right Wing Entertainment Complex has the GOP by the short hairs until a leader emerges with the courage to take on Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly–disturbing but true.
I have an interesting theory. Could Rush be a left wing liberal at heart, and planted by the Democrats to help their agenda? He is the gift that keeps on giving to the Dems. Another theory is that Rush would have lost alot of money if the Republicans won the Presidentcey, and took control of the Senate. What would Rush have to talk about?
...our cover is blown
carry out plan 66
Ive wondered about that myself a few times because I cant fathom how any political party trying to get reelected would associate itself with people such as Rush or anyone else for that matter who hold extremist oppinions and say things that would infuriate the nation's moderates who we all know are a majority in the US.
Black listed news has some interesting thought on Benghazi but from what I have seen from 4 different sources CNN included the whole affair shows an idiotic foreign policy and a lack of acceptance of responsibility. But who expects any thing else from the politicians today. Has to be Bush's fault. LOL.
It's gotta suck being a conservative right now.
A decision to change "al Qaeda" to "extremists" is not a decision to change "planned 9/11 terrorist attack" to "the video made them do it". This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. It is a matter of grave significance if a government lies to its people and for those who defend the practice.
Did you not read the article?
And do you really believe the American people are always told every detail about diplomatic and intelligence efforts? The nature of the work ensures that people will rarely, if ever, hear every detail.
So quit the pseudo-naivety.
Yes, that's why the White House gave out all those methods and procedures when they wanted to take credit for Bin Laden. Also why they threw the Pakistanni doctor under the bus and he will spend the rest of his life in prison. They could have waited one or two weeks and mined the intel they gathered to contact others but instead they had to broadcast it the very next day eliminating any chance of catching other bad guys.
But using the word Alqaeda was way too secret even though the average American assumed that. I don't see the Intel community talking about the master plan to use the video as a smoke screen so they sneak up on Al qaeda. The lie of the video was completely political, to denigrate our rights to free speech vs Islamic violence.
The other part of all of this is the lack of security that encouraged and led to the deaths. The lack of timely and forceful support when it did occur.
CraigT: "I don't see the Intel community talking about the master plan..."
Yes. Because Intelligence talks about their master plans. If they have a master plan, they'll be sure to take care that everyone knows it. Obviously.
dude, only a few foxtrolls still in denial about the election are pretending to give a crap about Ambassador whatshisname
1) Nobody lied nor tried to cover up... things were happening in real time and it's what they had. 2) The Intelligence services didn't want to let the terrorists know that they knew it was Al Queda immediately because they were still tracking others and that would have put assets in danger. These are on record from Patreus and multiple Intelligence agencies.
The White House and Ambassador Rice had NOTHING to do with this other than let FOX NEWS turn it into something it isn't.
Apparently Obama has nothing to do with his entire administration because whenever something comes up someone says he wasn't involved or didn't know about it? Now tell me why we need a president?
Exactly...what is wrong with these people..it sucks when your government lies to you and doesn't protect its people.
would you liberals keep blaming Bush for Iraq?
The statement is clear..... "It is a matter of grave signicance IF a government lies to its people and for those who defend those practices."
Mitt Romney asked me for permission.
1) It is interesting that as obvious ambassador Stevens was informed of the danger, he would not have gone to Benghazi is he considered that the protection was not adequate.
2) Why shall the public and the congress be informed regarding the details of a crime?? Are we asking the police to tell the public of what they know during the investigation of a crime, knowing as this help the criminal??
3) So, will PETER KING and MIKE ROGERS resign tomorrow to their committee chairmanship and the House, as well as John McCain from the Senate (so ending with a deplorable sign of senility a distinguished public life)
Believe it or not, some people will do their jobs despite the danger. Stevens was a brave man, knew it was dangerous, knew he wasn't getting the proper security support from the state department and still did his job.
I agree that the American people don't need all the details but why lie? Why don't they just say "Libya is unstable, there was a terrorist attack and we are looking for those responsible. When we find who is responsible we will give further details."
Why all the garbage about the video? Why throw our right to free speech under the bus of Islamic violence on the world stage? Why justify killing people over words or videos from the other side of the world? Why was that not condemned but the video was?
You assume that somebody lied? That seems to be the Republican crusade at the moment. Do you have proof that anybody lied? So far there is none.
HowardsDaddy – So claiming that it was caused by a spontaneous reaction to a video when from the very start it was clearly an organized attack is not a lie? That was a deliberate attempt to mislead and misdirect because they didn't want to take blame for the truth. That is what I call a lie, maybe you have a much looser definition of the word.
This attack involved a CIA office... Of course they are not going to tell the American people the truth right away... Did anybody watch the Argo movie and felt betrayed that they lied to the American public to get the Ambassador out? No, they lied and they did rightfully so... Stop endangering the nation using the false idea that we have the right to know everything.
Those idiots McCain and Graham need to be waterboarded - not until they talk, but until they shut the hell up.
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said!!!!!!
At a point in time way too early to know exactly what happened, right wingers want to attack the president because the UN Ambassador read a statement provided by the intel community, while cautioning everyone at the time that all the facts were not in. But it's OK 3000 lives were lost when intel pointed to people learning to take off but not land planes, and it was OK 4K American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis lives were lost based on cooked intel that Iraq has WMD's? Any more questions?
Yeah I got a question, if cooked intel was why we invaded Iraq, how do you explain this? Maybe Bubba attacked to get the attention pointed away from the Monica scandal?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Ask Bill Clinton who appeased qaeda in the 1990s, even after they hit the WTC the first time on 1993
Why Clinton says not getting bin laden was his "biggest regret".
When there are ..ah hem...spies involved and covert operations, we don't want to broadcast to the whole world what we were doing, do we? But these idiots just keep on barking for information, thinking they could bring down a president for "lying". How embarrassing.
..... Except we'll broadcast covert information and expose informants if it's Osama Bin Laden, and the Administration will gladly broadcast it, leak it, give the info to Hollywood producers, etc.
Max, do u have any proof dat the Obama admin exposé informants and give details to Hollywood other than Fox News. When GOP congress and senate stop pounding on something, that is ur proof there is nothing there or they have secret information the public does not have
You forget, that was not an ongoing operation. It was planned operations. We knew who took part, why they were there and who we were after. If the helicopter had not crashed forcing our hand because Pakistan planned to release it to their news agencies, we would not have had information that quickly.
Hmmm .... good point. These are the Americans you are talking about. Now you figure out what kind of intellectuals we have!!!
The entire republican party, from Congress down to the bloggers, is embarrassing!
Is there no end to excuses for Obama, you people would find an excuse if he was found bent over with one in his mouth and another one in his other mouth. Now when will you all quit making excuses for him??
I love everyone! Even the crazy people. Every family has the crazies. They may be crazy, but their our crazies.
It is sad and tragic that we lost 4 American lives – but ultimately, this so-called controversy is much ado about nothing. People trying to scare up conspiracy theories for no good reason but their own objectives. We are spinning our wheels on this, picking apart words here and there, and it is accomplishing absolutely nothing. We need to move on.
Well thats goodv enough for me. This was an orchestrated witch hunt and they knew it. Now xan you guys PLEASE FIND A WAY TO CREATE JOBS?
Scary that there so many nutty conspiracy theorist nutcases in this sorry nation. Look, things weren't that complicated, Susan Rice said what the CIA told her to say. I know you'll keep hating our black president though; you wouldn't be ignorant tea bagging bigots otherwise, now would you?
The republicans were so desperate to win that they thought they could make a conspiracy out of this. Hey republicans, in addition to all the other work you need to do to build your platform, you also need to accept the fact that our sitting President is an honest, fair and upstanding gentleman who has risen above your pettiness, and most Americans are more intelligent than you think. The train has left the station without you.
Dead ambassadors tell no tales. That's exactly what Barry wanted and got.
It is Valerie Plame all over again. If the Intel community felt that that this is the language (of the message) they preferred then that needs to be respected. The witch hunt has gone on long enough. The sleazy politics that the RW has been playing on this is win at all costs, nation be damned tactics by the Republicans. They wanted to stick this to Pres. Obama before the election and that did not happen. Now they that they lit the fire it is being stoked on even thought only embers remain. The present crop of Republicans would rather focus on manufacturing a scandal than work to fix the looming fiscal cliff.
Are you sure you aren't referring to John Kerry Kerry blew the cover of a genuine undercover CIA agent, Fulton Armstrong, during confirmation hearings for U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton.
You couldn't think your way out of paper bag, could you/
Get over it. Stop trying to a mountain out a molehill. It only shows that your agenda has nothing to do with truth or reality.
1) It is interesting that as obvious ambassador Stevens was informed of the danger, he would not have gone to Benghazi is he considered that the protection was not adequate.
2) Why shall the public and the congress be informed regarding the details of a crime?? Are we asking the police to tell the public of what they know during the investigation of a crime, knowing as this help the criminal??
3) So, will PETER KING and MIKE ROGERS resign tomorrow to their committee chairmanship and the House, as well as John McCain from the Senate (so ending with a deplorable sign of senility a distinguished public life)
One of many theories is that the USA through CIA operatives beholden to a more empathetic relationship with Islamic Extremists, were arming them with weapons. The same weapons killing USA soldiers and intelligence officers in Afghanistan, Navy Seals and many more. Therefore, you have detainees in a safe house that were not supposed to be questioned but protected. Something went wrong...very wrong. To deny help to the Navy Seals and the Consulate staff was the ultimate action of neglect to our country. For those that say the House is responsible for not authorizing an increase in funding for consulate security, let me say that the decision not to help and stand by was not because of funding, it was because this administration is operating under secret agendas that the public is not allowed to know. While you have Hillary in Australia and going on her world tour, Obama on another world tour, there are his operatives who are actually doing major damage to arm the USA's enemies in the name of tolerance to Islam and their right to nuclear weapons, ex: Iran.
Yay! More nonsensical conspiracy theories. Everything is a conspiracy with you people.try worrying about something real for a change. We already know not to arm potential enemies. The Republicans have done it for years.
Linda, do you write for Dinesh D'Souza?
Everything must be a conspiracy, doesn't it. You are chasing your own tail. Ignore facts but believe made-up unfounded rumors. Tell Trump to get back to trying to dig up Obama's birth certificate in Hawaii.
Linda Jones, you need professional help for your psychiatric issues. These kind of crazy thoughts are not healthy.
Well, There we have it from the Horses mouth.
Der Fuehrer has spoken, there is nothing for you to see or hear Comrades, move along Comrades!!!
barry is scary.
Bush wouldn't have asked what was the public points. He would have just figured it was good political hay.
have you been asleep for the last 4 years? Bush isn't president, obama is. You wouldn't know it by the way obama still blames bush and everyone but himself for every failure of his administration. The bill that cut funding for the embassies, if you took the few seconds it takes to look it up, wasn't for security, it was for maintenance and a slew of other things. But don't let facts get in the way of you telling some good stories.
hi guys-i voted for barry. i am the us, the stupid part. im an aide at cnn, but aspire to be just like anderson cooper. hes very smart, just like my friend barry. and i luvs susan rice. and cant forgets hilary.
Your an idiot
Correction: You are an idiot!!
Sad thing is he seems to be trying to sound clever.
What you are is a Foxbot that has never posted anything but ignorant rhetoric. You do so here on CNN because even Fox realized what a bunch of simple minded sock puppets believed the tripe they aired and were too embarrassed by tools like you so closed down the ability for them to post comments on Fox.
The Herr Wolf has spoken, there is nothing here to see or hear. Move along Comrades, get in line, get in line!!!
How Bush league.
When are the Republicans on the "intelligence" committee going to resign over their false accusations? The House Republicans CONTINUE to waste taxpayer money on yet ANOTHER failing witch hunt while they continue to do absolutely nothing about jobs.
Apparently the GOP heard that the congress' approval rating went from 9% to 10%, so they're clearly trying to drive it back down again.
Interesting how none of the people speaking out, knew that the Country was asking these questions, before the election. All of sudden, after the election, everyone seems to remember what happened, and are more than willing to talk. Funny how things happen. It took an election to job their memory ?
Move along Comrades only four Americans are dead. It's all a part of my plan Comrades, move along, no questions, move along!!!
Like when McCain said move along, nothing to see here after Condi Rice testa-lied to the UN and thousands of Americans died in Iraq.
or how about the more than 4000 that have died in afghanistan since obama took office?
And all of congress voted for it as well?
That is not an accurate figure sock puppet.
Or the 4 that probably got killed in training exercises in the last year that probably didn't get much press. you all can give the "4 Americans were killed oh the horror" thing a rest. Is it a war or not? Cause if memory serves me they got tombs of unknown soldiers in most countries. Perhaps obama should have screamed oh we got sucker punched again but on a much smaller scale. Please sucker punch us at every 2nd rate out post. But the conservatives demand nation building. Oh you don't know the difference between an embassy and a consulate? It's smaller, not really the embassy. But it needs conservative money. Debt money. The children's money. Build nations. World police. Where's the securityi China will lend us the moneyy Look it up. Look at the leaders of the party. Where'd that Bush swagger go? No don't be world cop; no yes be world cop. I'm a truck driver in Nebraska but if only Romney had won i'd be an investment banker. Oh wait Bush was an investor too & I'm still a truck driver. Withdraw from the world
it's gotta suck being a conservative right now.
You are deluded, sport shoes.
Back, to dock wholloping for you,
bubba-boy!