Latest Afghan attack: A troubling first?
US Troops on a mission in Afghanistan.
October 2nd, 2012
02:56 PM ET

Latest Afghan attack: A troubling first?

By Barbara Starr

A deadly assault on American forces in eastern Afghanistan over the weekend stokes fears of a disturbing new form of "insider attack" - an assault on coalition forces by an Afghan military unit rather than a lone attacker.

U.S. forces apparently took fire on Saturday from several Afghan troops shooting at them from several directions, according to a U.S. military official familiar with initial results of the investigation.

NATO and Afghan officials investigating the Wardak province assault are expected to make their findings public soon, maybe as early as Wednesday, the official said.

The official declined to be identified because the findings have not yet been made public.

The Wardak assault comes amid as concern reached crisis proportions over so-called "insider" or "green on blue" attacks. They are the names for strikes by Afghans soldiers or police - or militants wearing their uniforms - on U.S. and allied forces.

If the initial suspicions about Saturday's attack are borne out, it would be the first time U.S. troops have come under attack from an Afghan unit rather than lone attackers.

The Saturday incident apparently started when an Afghan soldier fired his weapon, suddenly killing the U.S. soldier and civilian contractor.

U.S. and Afghan troops had a "short conversation" before the firing began. The U.S. official said that the Afghan soldier was known to both the Americans and the Afghans; so, the initial firing is being classified as an insider attack.

American troops fired back killing the Afghan and a man standing next to him.

At that point, the U.S. troops report they came under fire from multiple persons and multiple directions.

NATO has said it has reports that some of the firing was possibly conducted by nearby insurgents. The U.S. official said it strongly appears Afghan forces also fired on the Americans from multiple points.

The initial conclusion from NATO and Afghan officials is that U.S. forces may indeed have also come under insurgent fire at the same time.

But, there are still strong indications multiple Afghan troops fired on the Americans. At this point, it's not been made public how much of the fire was deliberate, or if there was some battlefield confusion during the event.

While NATO forces want to put the findings out as soon as the investigation is done, it still could run into problems. One reason could be that because this is a joint investigation with the Afghans, the government of President Hamid Karzai must agree to findings which could paint Afghan forces in a poor light.

NATO is already aware this incident is garnering widespread attention in military circles, because of the potential that multiple Afghan troops attacked the Americans. "We know there is a lot of interest," the official said. He emphasized the incident involved a lot of confusion, but NATO believes it will be able to determine what happened.

Insider attacks have been on the rise for months. The senior combat leader in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, told CBS' "60 Minutes" Sunday night that he is "mad as hell" about them.

"We're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign, but we're not willing to be murdered for it," he said.

The attacks have occurred during a crucial period in the Afghan war - the training of a fledgling Afghan army. Coalition forces hope to get Afghan security forces ready to take charge of security after NATO-led troops withdraw from Afghanistan at the end of 2014.

Measures have been devised to curb and thwart the insider attacks.

Soldiers are required to have a loaded weapon within reach at all times.

The military is improving its vetting of new recruits and working to address cross-cultural issues that lead to tensions. Training ended for hundreds of Afghan soldiers while their backgrounds are checked further for insurgent links.

NATO's International Security Assistance Force said a regional commander now must give the OK for a joint U.S.-Afghan action, a move that has limited operations. Some troops have been assigned to be "guardian angels," soldiers in units who keep an eye on the Afghan forces.

The military attributes some of the attacks to Taliban infiltration and also to cross-cultural misunderstandings that escalated into violence.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta recently called the insider attack problem in Afghanistan "a last-gasp effort to be able to not only target our forces, but to try to create chaos, because they've been unable to regain any of the territory that they have lost."

One of Washington's top military analysts pushed back at the "last gasp" remark.

"Quite frankly, I think that most intelligent people and military people would privately think that Secretary Panetta's comments are absurd, perhaps harmful. Because they just can't be taken seriously," said Anthony Cordesman, a senior analyst at CSIS, a major Washington think tank, and a recipient of Department of Defense Distinguished Civilian Service Award for his work at the Pentagon before joining CSIS.

"They are not at the last gasp, all they really have to do is - at this point - out-wait us, constantly put pressure on areas that give them political visibility. They don't have to defeat ISAF, it's leaving."

On "60 Minutes," Gen. Allen said the insider attacks have emerged because the "enemy" has seized on a "vulnerability."

"In Iraq, the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the IED," Allen said, referring to improvised explosive devices "We had to adjust to that. Here, I think the signature attack that we're beginning to see is going to be the insider attack."

CNN's Larry Shaughnessy and Joe Sterling contributed to this report

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    November 12, 2012 at 5:13 am | Reply
  2. Deep State

    Anyone else remember the Sepoy Rebellion?

    October 8, 2012 at 10:32 am | Reply
  3. William

    Got your absentee ballot yet?

    October 8, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
  4. Ivanhoe

    People are making up lies about Hindu groups etc - focus on the expansion of the Muslim Brotherhood and its ties to Nazism. Read more in novels - king of Bat'ha by Hashim, - and the sequel - Tales from the East by Ivanhoe. Based on direct experiences.

    October 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  5. fiftyfive55

    I've been watching,on you tube,soldiers reuniting with families after an overseas tour and how emotional these reunions are between fathers and families. My issues though are why would a father leave his family to run off to the mideast and get crippled or killed when he should be home with his family being a father.This is an all volunteer army being sent to the mideast,a region that hates us,that we hate back,and dont want a thing to do with,except for the munitions makers who are getting rich off our blood. A real father is the guy who stays home and raises his kids,and doesnt run off to the other side of the world thinking they are more important than his own familiy.

    October 4, 2012 at 7:39 am | Reply
    • Soldier

      Being in the Army is a job too and it comes with a retirement package after 20 years. It also comes with a contract. Yes, it's all volunteer, but you sign up for X number of years at a time and you have no right to just leave during that period. Many people join the Army for college money or whatever as myself and get out after the first enlistment contract. Many make a career of it though so they can't just get out or that would be terrible for their future. Can you understand now or do you want to continue to blabber on that you think Soldiers are bad parents?

      October 4, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        As a father,I say any man that willingly leaves HIS FAMILY to go to the other side of the world IS a bad parent. Children ABSOLUTELY need their fathers raising them and protecting them 24 hours a day, not protecting some other guy's family thousands of miles away.If this was a draft it would be a whole different ballgame but it's not.Tell me how many messed up guys you know that are messed up because dad wasnt there,I know a whole bunch and if you say you dont know any,your lying.

        October 5, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
      • cput

        Thank you for your service. We need more men like you.

        October 7, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • SFC

      You are an idiot. Because of voulenteers there is no draft. I'Ve never read such a stupid comment in my life.

      October 5, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        Can't handle the truth I see. Obviously your also not a father and don't know what that means to little kids who want to know where daddy is so crawl back under the rock you came from.

        October 5, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • SFC

      Actually I am a father of two, serving in Afghanistan now. That is why I believe your comment is stupid.

      October 5, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        Are the afghans worth your kids lives or health ? No,absolutely not and I hope they come home in one piece,but I stand by my statement about a father's first responsibility to be home for his children and if you cant understand that then you ought to re-examine your priorities.

        October 5, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
      • jimmy

        well, YOU ARE WELCOME for all the tax benefits that i am giving you and your spouse and kids so you can run around playing war games

        October 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • cput

        SFC: Thank you for your service. I will pray for your safety. We need more men like you.

        October 7, 2012 at 1:01 am |
      • Marine

        jimmy – We're welcome for the tax breaks?! If you're so concerned about servicemembers receiving tax-free exclusion, why don't you call your Congressman and complain? It IS your right, isn't it? One day the fight is going to come to our own soil...did you already for 9/11? My guess is you'd be the first to run and hide when the first bullet flies past your head. Don't worry, me and the rest of the VOLUNTEER service will be there to protect you and yours. YOU'RE WELCOME.

        October 7, 2012 at 9:30 am |
      • sunny

        What bunch whiny hinnies. Are you really citizens of U.S.? These brave soldiers are protecting your freedoms.
        So you may sit at home on your butt's and complain. If you lived anywhere else you would be dead by now.
        I don't think I have ever witnessed so much ignorance about this subject in one forum. Wow, you needed to pay more attention in school, assuming you had any formal education, whew glad I have never met any military haters before, you are quite ignorant.

        December 2, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • cput

      There are a lot of soldiers that are re-upping because of this rotten economy. They need jobs and health insurance for their family. These soldiers should be commended for what they do. I for one want to adopt all of them. 🙂

      October 7, 2012 at 12:54 am | Reply
    • cput

      These soldiers are not "running off." They are dedicated men that are serving our country. A lot have families and with this rotten economy need a job and health insurance. You should be thanking them, not critizing them. Me, I want to adopt all of them. Thank you men for your service.

      October 7, 2012 at 12:58 am | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        Make all the excuses you want but the hardest part of being a father is doing what the kids need and not being there is exactly what kids dont need or deserve.I dont care if this makes you angry,I pray it makes you think twice about it.

        October 8, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • Marine

      fiftyfive55 – I do agree that being a father is an important job...perhaps one of the most important jobs ever. However, without an ALL VOLUNTEER force, how does a country protect itself? If you even had an idea of all the evil in the world–evil that is aimed directly at us and our children–I'm sure you would be singing a different tune. But don't worry, there will always be VOLUNTEERS who will be there to protect your right to free speech. You stay at home and worry about watching the kids...we'll keep you safe. In the meantime, my wife, family and friends will continue to build a strong network at home, a network that provides a positive environment for my fellow Marines' sons and daughters to grow up in until we come home. "Know Sacrifice, Know Freedom...No Sacrifice, No Freedom".

      October 7, 2012 at 9:20 am | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        America got along just fine when we had a draft you nincompoop,and at one time I drove middle school military brats around and these kids were the worst behaved chidren I have ever seen in my life and I'm in my 60s. Do some reading about kids with part time or no father present and your arguement will be negated,especially the part about someone else being daddy.

        October 8, 2012 at 6:51 am |
      • joe

        To "fiftyfive55". Do you drive a school bus on a military reservation? Perhaps you should quit your job if the children are so bad. My guess is you don't know how to be a bus driver, and you don't know how to relate, and supervise kids. Being a father doesn't make you an expert by the way! I was a bus driver as a High School student driving Elementary, Junior, and high school students, never having any problems. This was in a military community full of kids from military families to include myself. Being a man in his 60s you should know that you cannot make such blanket statements. Every situation is different. I've read your comments, and you are totally off base with virtually every comment you have made. You are an uneducated, angry, hostile, little man. You’re mean spirited comments are inflammatory, angry, hostile, and unwanted. Your comments should be to discuss things in an educated, intellectual, and educated manner to enhance others knowledge of a particular subject or to seek guidance. It is however ok to mention things that bother you, but do so in a more though provoking manner. I'm sure you will post another comment defending your misguided thoughts, and attack mine.

        October 8, 2012 at 7:18 am |
      • fiftyfive55

        @joe-well you managed to not talk about what I talked about and instead tried to lead this discussion away from "absent fathers", and the term "military brats" is an excellent term for military kids .

        October 8, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Tgallant

      We get it. You hate the military. Ok. No problem. I suppose you think that long haul truckers are bad fathers, people that have to work the night shift, salesmen, seasonal workers etc. I am sure you are the poster boy for fatherhood. Congrats.

      October 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
      • fiftyfive55

        Your full of it arent you ? I stated a fact,children need fathers to be there when they need them and jobs on the road arent the only jobs available out there are they ? Kids dont wait to grow when your ready for them to.And it was you,not me who said some nonsense about hating the military so maybe its you who hates the military.

        October 8, 2012 at 6:45 am |
      • Marine

        @fiftyfive55: Sticks and stone, sir. My guess is that during the draft, you hid. Or you claimed consciencous objector status. Either way, your words are those of a weak coward. Ignorance is bliss, and you, sir, must be in nirvana right now.

        October 8, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Viet Nam Marine

      Thank God there are Americans who put their country first. You don't appear to have a very good grasp of what it means to be a member of the military. When you join a branch of the US armed forces, you write uncle sam a check for your life. Usually it is not cashed, but unfortunately some of them are. Service on behalf of your nation is the most noble act a citizen can make. For those of us who serve(d), we allowed you to stay home and enjoy your freedom, your families and your great nation.. All I ask in return is for you to take your kids and go thank active duty service members who allow you to stay home, hopefully out of harms way. You owe them, and don't ever forget it.

      October 7, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Reply
      • Marine

        Well said....Semper Fi, brother.

        October 8, 2012 at 2:01 am |
      • fiftyfive55

        Y'all just dont get it do ya ? Our troops in the mideast arent fighting for American people,they are fighting for oil companies and mun itions manufacturers.Some of you folks just arent too bright.And dont talk about Viet Name since none of our troops would have been there if it werent forced by the draft.Also,what does the mideast have to do with America ? Nothing. What has changed by our bloodshed there over the last 60 years ? nothing so get off your high horse and think about Americans as people and not troops,if no one volunteered we would have no one to send ,D'OH.

        October 8, 2012 at 6:41 am |
    • greg l s

      you are spot on... totally agree

      October 8, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
  6. m123

    Why are we still in this pit?
    What is wrong with Obozo, he follows Bush's lead in the war on terror
    doesn't anyone have a clue?

    October 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  7. Patrick

    The problem in Afghanistan is India and the hindu agenda. Need to dismantle India into pieces and destroy the financing of terror from New Delhi.

    October 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply
    • EatYouAlive

      LOL. Another desperate Paki,

      October 3, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Reply
    • LL

      Hope a drone finds you soon.

      October 5, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Reply
    • joe

      Patrick you're an idiot! It's not India we need to be concerned with; it's Pakistan.

      October 7, 2012 at 1:00 am | Reply
  8. Get out

    Total waste.

    October 3, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Reply
  9. krm1007 ©™

    In 2001 the Pakistani military entered the FATA for the first time in history, and they returned home with heavy casualties. In 2010, The New America Foundation and Terror Free Tomorrow conducted the first comprehensive public opinion survey in FATA. The results showed that when it came to fighting militancy in the region, the people of FATA overwhelmingly support the Pakistani Taliban. Nearly 70 percent back the Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters in the Tribal Areas. Indeed, when asked how FATA should be governed, 89 percent say it should be self-governed areas.

    It's tome to work toward a long-term viable solution for the Pakistani Terrorism issues including Haqqani Network aka shadowy Pakistani ISI operatives. Like many renowned thinkers on Pakistan suggested, it's time to split Pakistan along the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) into sever self-governing agencies.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
    • Herbie M

      What a stupid comment. I don't believe that @krm1007 has written this one as his comments are very insightful, original and brilliant. This is probably case of stolen ID. How can you have independent states of a few thousand people....the size of a neighborhood? LOL !!!

      October 3, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Reply


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  13. rk ny

    all terrorists are trained by pak...unless pak is handled and silenced...there can be no peace in the region

    October 3, 2012 at 11:09 am | Reply
  14. The One who Knows

    Who is creating this ENMITY between Muslims?
    Quran teaches teaches that Allah CREATES ENMITY BETWEEN JEWS until the day
    of resurrection (Surah 5:64).
    What we see is the ENMITY BETWEEN Muslims now.
    Does Allah start ENMITY BETWEEN Muslims too?
    By the way, Quran teaches in another place that SATAN creates enmity between Muslims (Surah 5:91).
    Who is doing this Allah or Satan, or both? Or Is Muslim are Allah and Satan One?

    October 3, 2012 at 10:46 am | Reply
    • rk ny

      pak's hero was osama...what better satan than that....

      October 3, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
  15. Free Jammu & Kashmir From India's Occupation

    Let us focus on the causes of terrorism and try to fix the issues. They have been hanging out there for over 60 years ...Palestine..Kashmir. Let us focus on the victims of 9/11 and help the families more than we have done. Let us take care of their kids and put them through college. Let us take care of their wives/husbands/parents. Let us take care of over 200,000+ families whose dear ones gave their lives in Pakistan fighting this terror war. Let us focus on the victims in Afghanistan. Let us honor those soldiers from all over the world who sacrificed their lives believing they were fighting for freedom. They are so many.

    October 3, 2012 at 9:05 am | Reply
    • Kashmiri

      in 60 years you paks couldnt do anything and wont be able to do anything in next 1000 years ..on the other hand will make sure we divide you in 10 more peaces ..we have proved ourselves before 🙂

      October 3, 2012 at 11:09 am | Reply
      • Herbie M

        Pakistan sliced kashmir into half and took it away from India. In a few months after US Elections, the rest will go to Pakistan also (Jammu Kashmir). Next step is to carve up remainder India which is also in process.

        October 3, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • rk ny

      first pak should become a real country before talking about India and its states...first stop harboring the likes of OSAMA and surviving on US doles...and the world body knows better than to listen to pakis and their whinings..the entire planet knows pak as epicenter of world terrorism..and that India is rising in world whine all u one except dumb pakis will listen....

      October 3, 2012 at 11:11 am | Reply
  16. krm1007 ©™

    Let's not kid ourselves. We had to invade Afghanistan to save our pride and to show the world that we had the financing and forbearance to fight this war on ground chasing the shadows. But ego aside, we all know that winning the endeavors in Afghanistan is not possible without Pakistan. Yes, we have cajoled Pakistan over the years, threatened them, poor boyed them, played the neighbor against them, let the congressional dogs lose doing the god guy – bad guy routine and done the carrot – stick dance. All to no avail. We tried partnering with India in Afghanistan and that has been a disaster. We may have won a battle or two but are on the verge of losing the war. We have hit a wall.

    The time has now come to do the tango with Pakistan. That takes boldness and a desire to commit one self. And that is what we need to do. We need to form a strategic partnership with Pakistan...a long term alliance...and a commitment. We need to lay the cards on the table and not pull the rug from under them. At the same time we need to make them understand the consequences of going wayward on us. We need to evolve a common vision...and common grounds for constructive engagement. We then need to support them and then let them implement the common vision in the region under our supervision. After all, they can do it more productively, efficiently and economically than we can. That is for sure... a lesson we have learned the hard way.

    October 3, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • Joe

      This is the first comment of yours that is not completely void of intellect and reason. Good job.

      October 3, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
    • rk ny

      pakis dont kid urselves...everyone knows about pakis now ..arnt they the ones that hid osama while taking billions from US pretending to look for him...isnt pak the same cesspit it was since it was cut off from india like a diseased limb...??? in the meantime India has grown in world dont kid urselves..pakis...everyone knows who u are and everyone is watching u....

      October 3, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
    • Johnson Z

      I agree

      October 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  17. Amit-Atlanta-USA.

    There is a prevailing culture that has a tendency to keep the populace in the dark. I will go as far as saying the media has been an accomplice in this endeavor. I am going to quote the following that I am sure Americans have every right to know particularly those of Jewish descent and of course Israelis.
    "It is no secret that Hitler and his Nazi cronies sought inspiration from Indian extremist groups including the branding of his Nazi Party by adopting the Swastika, a traditionally Hindu symbol and representation of Hindu god Ganesha, as its marketing tool. The thesis being that like the Norwegian massacre the Jewish holocaust orchestrated by Hitler was inspired by the inherently violent cult of Indian Hindus and the manifesto of its then extremist/terrorist groups still in existence today. These groups are now the successors to and carrying out the vision of Al Qaeda all over the world albeit in a clandestine manner."
    Let me quote another instance of this disgraceful disposition:
    It is no secret that Mahatma Gandhi (Hindu leader) was a pedophile. What is very disturbing is his relationship (!) and friendship with Hitler. He is known to have offered advice and encouragement to Hitler and his Nazi Party to undertake the Jewish Holocaust."
    A few months ago an auction was being arranged in Europe of Gandhi's letters and other artifacts corroborating the foregoing. Apparently, the Indian government with assistance from expatriate Indian businessmen muscled the auctioneers and put a stop to this auction.

    October 3, 2012 at 8:50 am | Reply
    • Patrick

      It is no secret that Mahatma Gandhi (Hindu leader) was a pedophile. What is very disturbing is his relationship (!) and friendship with Hitler. He is known to have offered advice and encouragement to Hitler and his Nazi Party to undertake the Jewish Holocaust.

      October 3, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
      • Patrick

        Yes, We are well aware of the deep rooted connections of Hindu Terror Groups headquartered in India to International Terror Groups such as Al Qaeda. These groups have an extremist philosophy, Neo Nazi bent and are the torch bearers/successors to Al Qaeda.

        October 3, 2012 at 8:52 am |
      • rk ny

        bunch of pretending to be indians...whatever u write..u end up rediculing one in the real workd cares for u pakis...known world over as number one beggars and epicenter of world terror...

        October 3, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Benjamin Mendalbaum

      CIA, Mossad are onto Indian Government and their double dealing ways and backstabbing ways. they have been taken to the woodshed. After US elections you will see US and Israel's retaliation to Indians. We may looking at stopping of all aid and possibly droning of hindu extremists groups who partnered with hitler to massacre Jews.

      October 3, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
  18. rex edie

    we will never leave these countries until the military industrial complex... (the people that own the pentagon).... the place that tells the president ...(no matter who it is)... what to do.... has had its fill of profit from the death industry they have and continue to create. "if you manufacture weapons of must manufacture reasons to use them".... and we wonder why are troops are being attacked...????

    October 3, 2012 at 7:04 am | Reply
    • old golfer

      I agree with you. Two things though on being in the ME. Oil, lithium and other valuable things, like poppy fields. As to Afghanistan, they have never been conquered and probably will fight to the last person to try and stay that way. Russia invested ten years and learned that truth. We are now 11 years into that mess. Seems that we can't learn though.

      October 8, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
  19. k_Daraa

    When the US revenge/punishment mission against AQ and taliban was deliberately morphed by special interest groups in the government-defense contracting establishment to "nation-building", that is when the American people were duped. Now several $trillions of wasted treasure, and tens of thousands of Americans' lives destroyed, and our economy in a shambles, all "progress" or "good" that we paid the price for dissipates like yesterday's fog.

    October 3, 2012 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • Ausjac

      But you its all worth it when you consider the money earn by the war industry and energy companies.....

      October 3, 2012 at 6:55 am | Reply
  20. krm1007 ©™

    I continue to read with interest a paper presented on UNN that "less is more" in a political context as applied to Pakistan and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), a semi-autonomous tribal region in the northwest of present-day Pakistan, lying between Afghanistan to the west and north, and the provinces of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to the east and Balochistan to the south. Although Muhammad Bakara wala adopted this in an architectural context, its economic and political connotations are indeed powerful. Empowering subjugated minorities in several agencies like
    Frontier Region Peshawar,
    Frontier Region Kohat,
    Frontier Region Bannu,
    North Waziristan,
    Frontier Region Lakki Marwat,
    Frontier Region Tank,
    South Waziristan,
    Frontier Region Dera Ismail Khan
    in Pakistan by splitting it into smaller agencies would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to Pakistan with no return to show for the investment.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
    • Tennessee Tim

      With such "Dark Age" culture still in existence in India how can the world be healthy and the neighbors prosperous. India poses a grave danger to the world and its deities and leaders set a bad example. Mahatma Gandhi, a pedophile, needs to be exposed and tried posthumously for his child molestation crimes just like the Penn State crowd Sandusky et al. Gandhi's statutes need to be knocked down everywhere they have been put in USA. The hindu deities need to be shattered and trashed. Disgusting figurines of ugly and scary looking characters with demonic personalities. How can hindu children grow up mentally stable looking at such atrocious representations of evil in its most heinous form.

      October 3, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
    • Mike Rubin

      Again.....What a stupid comment. I don't believe that @krm1007 has written this one as his comments are very insightful, original and brilliant. This is probably case of stolen ID.

      October 3, 2012 at 8:58 am | Reply
  21. krm1007 ©™

    After November election, Obama administration need to focus on Pakista. The American War on Terrorism (WOT) in Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of Pakistan as a key ally in WOT. With a population of little over 180 people, majority of them illite.rate, there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their few hundred thousand ragtag soldiers (half of them part time thieves) continue hiding in the trenches scared from Taliban attacks. A few Taliban fighters invaded the country's most secured nuclear warheads holding Pakistani Navy Base and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless Pakistani army is. It was embarrassing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a key ally on WOT.

    October 2, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • Herb V

      It is a gesture of utmost magnanimity and generosity by Pakistan to continue to enable our American and NATO friends and allies to achieve common goals by offering their national resources and standing with them shoulder to shoulder. They are our partners and we share a unified vision in addressing the challenges facing the world.

      Together we shall prevail, as we have done in the past while overcoming insurmountable odds. After all, the Americans and Pakistanis share common values and history in the struggle for their Independence and their fight for survival.
      God Speed. "In God We Trust".

      October 3, 2012 at 8:56 am | Reply
    • Mike Rubin

      What a stupid comment. I don't believe that @krm1007 has written this one as his comments are very insightful, original and brilliant. This is probably case of stolen ID.

      October 3, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
  22. George Patton

    Just when are the American people going to learn the simple fact that we have no right whatsoever to be in Afghanistan? None at all. We need to elect a new President who'll finally adopt a lassez-faire foreign policy and quit jumping into all these countries where we have no business. Now this country is wallowing in a severe depression while we're shelling out billions of dollars to foreign countries!!! How ludicrous!

    October 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
    • Jeff

      We already have a president who doesn't jump into wars and commit American men and women into harms way on a large scale like the former president. The question is: When are citizens like you going to wake up and think about your comments before posting. It just shows how low your intellect is. Obama hasn't started any wars and has withdrawn thousands of US service men and women out of countries. I do hope you recognize the difference between NATO obligations and going it alone before you comment on Libya and etc. OBAMA HAS NOT STARTED A WAR AND SENT AMERICANS INTO SUCH A WAR....PERIOD. Ops like the Binladen raid are a completely different subject.

      October 3, 2012 at 6:06 am | Reply
      • Boeti

        Libya. Baaaaaaa haaaaaaa! It would be funny but for the deaths of honorable men whose bravery put Obama and crew to shame.

        December 2, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • Joe

      If your ideals were the governing beliefs of a nation, it would be annihilated and enslaved. I understand the desire for isolationism; however, our current military presence in the middle east is still necessary to ensure that we don’t completely give control back to the radicals.
      Second, how can you honestly not support Obama’s foreign policy? He is one of the weakest commander-in-chief’s we have had in the face of confrontation.

      October 3, 2012 at 9:11 am | Reply
      • George Patton

        Wrong, Joe. There is absolutely nothing necessary about our military presence in the Middle East anymore Russia's was in Eastern Europe back in the 1950's, and '60's. We need to give the Middle East back to the Muslims and that's that!

        October 3, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • cput

      George Patton – You are a moron.

      October 7, 2012 at 1:03 am | Reply
  23. Clinton

    When a country has a weak or limited centralized government that many view as illigitimate or incompetent or even worse corrupt, you're going to see that many... many smaller ideologies and loyalties are going to come in to play... in many cases in Afghanistan it's tribal loyalties etc. Even when the Taliban "ruled" Afghanistan, there was a resistance group and tribal conflicts etc. bottom line is... when you are dealing with a people that don't feel they fall under any set of particular laws or whatever you're going to run into folks that are not going to work with us. I'm not suprised at some of these incidents... Afghans do not have a sense of country or community with their neighbors... they have no feeling of national unity and therefor are easily swayed from side to side.

    October 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • Bill Edmond

      Clinton is angry! The Egyptian peasants dared throw rotten tomatoes at her and ruined her expensive hairdo. These Egyptian terrorists must be captured by CIA and placed in our concentration camp at Guantanamo.

      October 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Reply
    • Boeti

      Are you talking about the US?

      December 2, 2012 at 12:42 am | Reply
  24. krm1007 ©™

    I don't think you are getting the message.
    Let me reiterate one more time.

    We now need to focus on India. The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2 million continue hiding in the trenches scared from Talibans. A few teenage Talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power.
    I continue to read with interest the thesis presented on CNN that "less is more" in a political context as applied to India. Although Mies Van Der Rohe adopted this in an architectural context, its economic and political connotations are indeed powerful. Empowering subjugated minorities in India by splitting it into smaller states would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to India with no return to show for the investment. I concur with this approach and with an economic background find the premise to be on solid footing. Central Asian States (CAS) are a case in point on this successful approach. We need to understand that India has an unmanageable large population mired in poverty and we are spinning our wheels trying to feed it. It is also too big of a geographical unit to govern. Again, we saw how a few teenage talibans were able to invade it with a few BB guns. And that says a lot... in a negative way not only for a large unmanageable country like India but also for USA which is trying to prop it up against China. Besides, Americans cannot afford to look like losers in the midst of a terror war which has lasted for over ten years now.

    October 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • Boeti

      Let me guess – a Pakistani?

      December 2, 2012 at 12:40 am | Reply

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