Army general faces possible court-martial on sexual conduct, other charges
By Larry Shaughnessy
The former deputy commander of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division has been charged with numerous violations of military law, including forcible sodomy, the Army said Wednesday.
Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with "forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships, misusing a government travel charge card" and several other counts, said Col. Kevin Arata, a spokesman for the Fort Bragg-based 82nd Airborne Division, which since its creation during World War I has been one of the most celebrated units in the Army.
Specifics of the alleged crimes were not released. It could not immediately be determined whether Sinclair has an attorney.
Army spokesman George Wright said Sinclair currently is still on active duty, serving as a special assistant to the commander of the 18th Airborne Corps, and is not restricted to base. As is standard procedure in military criminal matters, he continues to be paid his salary.
Sinclair, who was sent home to FortBragg in North Carolina from Afghanistan earlier this year, will next face the military equivalent of a preliminary hearing, a so-called Article 32.
That's a hearing in which both the prosecutor in the case and the defendant's lawyer can present witnesses and evidence. At the end of the session the "investigating officer," who acts as a judge in the hearing, will make a recommendation as to whether a defendant should face court martial. That recommendation goes to the "appointing authority," an officer higher up the chain of command from the defendant.
No date has been set yet for the Article 32 hearing.
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You foolish MSM parrots. The charges stem from his actions with female subordinates.
Get some fact checking lessons, K?
Exactly. I don't know the details, but a suggestion by a superior officer is considered a direct order in the military. This could be as simple as telling a lower ranking woman to give him head, and then afterwards she reports him.
Is that some kind of defense for a General who raped someone in some manner?
Not a defense, just a clarification of details. People are assuming this is something it's not.
I left the army convinced anyone who made it to lt colonel was bat s* crazy.
His actions if guilty have brought dishonor upon a unit that deserved better leadership. The honorable men of the 82nd with us today and the memory of those departed deserved far better than this. Hooah Airborne!
and this guy was killing women and children with no penalties..... meaning, he had a license to kill under the excuse of war. Humans... if there were life outside this planet, I'm sure nobody would want to associate with us.
US Military leaders do not WANT to kill people. Sometimes you are left with two horrible choices and you have to decide which is less horrible.
You have no foundation for your first statement, as to your second claim, he's just one guy, and we just don't know enough about aliens to say whether they are any better.
Bottoms up!
Cheers
Doesn't matter what gender the victim was (in this case it was a woman)...but t hole is but t hole. What's important is that it was forced. Before you spout anti-gay stuff, look up the legal definition of sodomy. It applies to both men and women, gay and straight.
Most post I have read were anti-rape. How is that being anti-gay?
It's not just a.n.a.l, it also includes oral. It could be as simple as ordering a subordinate to give him head.
Exactly. So many people out there who call themselves Christians who persecute others when they should look at themselves in the mirror first.
Just because at times in our history sodomy laws were interpreted broadly enough to persecute people for acts that were not sodomy does not mean sodomy does not mean sodomy under common usage.
Conservative- Stop making excuses for your own immoral behaviors. You can't pick and choose what a word means.
Did you ever wonder why the US military leaders have not won a war since WW2? Empire rots from the head down. We are experiencing the beginning of the end of the "leadership" worship cult of America.
So does your brain smdahl.
Come on Bill Clinton fu.ck.ed monica with a ci.g.ar and sp.u.nked on her dress let the poor guy get some a.s.s!!
Pretty sure that was consensual.
Consensual oral is still sodemy, and still against the law under the UCMJ.
UCMJ does not have jurisdiction over the POTUS.
Surprised??? Welcome to Obama's gay Army...
Sodomy includes oral with a man or woman, and is against the UCMJ even if it's consensual.
Are you really that stupid? This guy was a General – he didn't join up in the last 3 years, and as you surely know, this crap is rarely a gay act – it is an act of domination and intimidation.
He's also charged with adultery, inappropriate relations with female subordinates. Do the math. He's hetero. Look up the legal definition of sodomy...it applies to both men and women, gay and straight. You might be a sodomite. Most men are.
Your parents are utter failures at life and they passed it on to you.
You're a real deep thinker.
This guy's a Reagan man like you. Very much like you.
That's one for the Gipper!
Whats with the hitler hairdo in the photo?
Sodomy is a real pain in conservatives' asses.
While liberals love it in the mouth, right James?
Ask your son.
I bet he is missing "Dont ask,Dont tell"
now wait a minute, now all because you can't use waterboarding any more, our General just tried to make the guys talk.
Perhaps public humiliation is enough for this man, the average person would not have to deal with a public spectacle when a wrongdoing is committed. If he is indeed guilty, forgive him and move on.
You're an idiot. Period.
Was it your rectum that was violated? If so I will take your opinion under advisement.
He raped someone. He deserves the full punishment AND public humiliation, otherwise he would probably do it again.
Andre – Before you get into the childish playground insults, I don't mean let him get away with it. Now pick up your toys before your father gets home!
Forcible sodomy, are you gay? Totally abbynormal !! This guy is a General Office are you kidding, forgive and foreskin I meany foregittyup. What a moron, who are you working for.....Or does this story give you the willies thinking about the thrill of this man putting his bat up your rump??
Sodomy includes oral and can be with a woman as well as a man. Nothing in this article says this has anything to do with being gay.
So if he forcibly sodomized you, we should just forgive him and move on?
Look you ignorant heathen, forgiveness doesn't mean skip a trial and let him walk. It means stop being hypocrites when 90% of you likely practice sodomy all the time, by the true definition of the word.
Brad- darn right I do. But I have never forced anyone to do it.
Conservative- You need to look up the definition of sodomy. It doesn't just mean putting your weewee in a part of the body which excretes fecal matter, and it doesn't just mean gay people. Christians and straight people commit sodomy all the time, because they're ignorant like yourself.
The UCMJ defines sodomy as anything other than male on female missionary style, first of all. We have no idea if this guy forced someone to blow him, or if hit the Hershey highway.
This reminds me of a store, but it came out the other end... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War
Romney would tell you to quit being jealous.
Aren't all you guys either catchers or receivers? That's why so many american women come to Europe, and other parts of the world, to meet men.
So you're enjoying all of our fat chicks? I hope the mail order bride service didn't charge you by the pound.
Don't cry for me, your fat ones stay put since they can't afford the double-seats on the plane. We get the fine ones.
Don't worry, we keep the best ones at home. You get the fat and the old. After all, isn't that the standard for European women?
You got to be kidding me...you guys are basically known for 2 things, starting wars and being fat, and now I guess we can add closet sodomizers (general, senators, judges, etc.)
@ erApi@yhaoo.com, you need a history lesson foreigner. Who started WWI and II? I'm pretty sure you d bags did. Of course only after hundreds of years of wars. We don't start wars, we finish them, unlike you arrogant cowards. Win a war sometime then talk to us.
@Dave
Dave old buddy, how can I be a foreign in my own country? How is that education system working out for u all, maybe ur mexican and don't understand the meaning of the word foreign? And talking about starting wars and finishing them...bay of pigs, vietnam, afghanistan, Iraq...face it, only wars you ever been able to finish is when Europe stand completely behind you.
@Dave
You even had war against your neighbors to the north, which you lost and couldnt finish. But I guess you don't even know about that, considering the education system.
Nah, we're just getting the asian babes. american women talk too much, you'll get tired of em soon, but enjoy.
yeah got luck with that, once they hit 35 they jump right to 75 yr olds. I guess u can always order new ones...you got me there...
Do they stop shaving when they go to Europe?
I doubt it. They wouldn't know what to do with all that extra skin on your dick.
I forgot you are all jewish...
Seems like on joke too far, hit a nerve I guess.
Let me guess... the officer will get a trail faster than Bradley Manning even though this guy is accused of violent crimes...
military justice is the biggest oxymoron I know.
Why is this guy still walking around free....shouldn't he at least have had to post some kind of bail or something, oh his honor is good enough huh?
He isn't guilty of anything yet, so why wouldn't he be free?
He must be 1) a flight risk or 2) be a danger to others. If neither is the case then he is ROR. He may not be restricted but he not completely free to do what he wants either.
I Love the smell of sodomy in the morning! hahahahahaha
Ha! Finally a good line!!
Oh come on! You have never been there. You don't know what it is like in war! They are serving our country. Saving our safe... Blah blah blah!
Boy, he must have pi$$ed somebody off pretty bad, lol Trumped up charges if I've ever seen them – usually happens when Joe Blow won't Fall-in-Line, What a Country, eh?
???? Really? What evidence do you base that on? Wow is right- I've never heard of anyone in power abusing their authority- unheard of! LOL Without any evidence or logical argument, quite frankly, you sound a bit off your rocker...
The US military is just a subset of the general population. You should expect this sort of thing to happen eventually. (However we should take note when this subset of the population has higher rates of certain crimes like rape, which appears to be the case).
General, Major, Lt., Cptn., Sgt., Pfc. or Pvt. no matter all are prosecuted under the same law of man. If found guilty, he'll go
to prison like every other common A.H. that would create such a awful act against a fellow human being! If guilty, I hope they
throw the book at him, if not, better resign b/c your life as you once new it is over!
Wait the government thinks forcible sodomy is illegal? What do they call that stuff you have to file on april 15th then?
They call that stuff you have to file on April 15th your obligation as a citizen. But then you're not much of a citizen, are you? That delusion you have that you should be able to live in a dreamland where there are no taxes is just something that bounces around inside your reactionary skull. I can just hear you sputtering, "But Rush Limbaugh said...." Get a life.
@Boohincus
Come on. It does not matter if someone on the left or the right made the comment, IT WAS FUNNY! I immediately pictured Bill Maher making such a comment, and you can't go any further left than Bill Maher. We all need to lighten up and work together. It would help to do away with people like Grover Norquist and Rush Limbaugh, but in the mean time learn to appreciate it when someone says something funny.
OMG. I'm a Democrat and happy to pay taxes but I have to admit that that is, out of the hundreds of posts I've read lately, one of the funniest ones I've read. This is not sarcasm, I actually put my head down and laughed.
This General, Madonna, Lady Gaga, Government pay offs, etc. seem to be the modern American way of life.......... America stood for something good at one time.
I agree. You don't have to be religious to have good morals either.
i bet he was a pillar of the community.
Here's a thought, BG...if you are guilty do everyone a favor and take the Baretta way out...
CNN has yet to correctly distinguish between "charged" and "convicted". Context and evidence are completely omitted from the article.
I see the word charged a few times, and nowhere does it say convicted. It also says he is still getting paid. Where is the evidence of subjective statements or opinions? Please give a direct quote to justify your accusations.
What's with the sodomy charges? I thought DADT has been repealed.
He's hetero. He's charged with adultery, inappropriate relationships with subordinate women, and forced sodomy of a woman. Look up the legal definition of sodomy.
Sodomy includes oral, and is against the UCMJ, even if it's consensual.
So, are you being purposely ignorant or do you really have your own head up your buttocks? FORCIBLE is a big jump from consensual.
will you american media fuvcwits stop using made-up words in place of words that already exists: "specifics" instead of the real word, "details."
specifics: plural of spe·cif·ic (Noun) – A precise detail: "the specifics of the contract".
Chamber a round...... Start the .45 early retirement program.
Before I read the story, I thought the picture was of Senator Kyl...don't laugh, he looks like him.
He's a General, so he will get a slap on the wrist. If it were a pvt. they would've given him life without parole.
That is not going to look good on a resume....
Hooray, buttrape is the top headline on CNN for the second time in a week.
Seriously, stop.
I don't get it.......something wrong with sodomy?
Sodomy is against the UCMJ, even if it is consensual and with your wife.
Hey Sean Crees.....relax your donut hole, I was kidding. You know joke, humor etc...........
"forcible sodomy". where do they think up these terms? need to define this better, man women, goat, pig, couch, what was he forcing himself on?
he was having an affair or affairs with subordinate women at least one of whom gave him oral. the sodomy charge is because of the oral and the 'forced' because she(they) is a subordinate. its the military equivalent of a guy getting it on with his secretary in the civilian world. but under the UCMJ he can go to the brig.
If we had "Don't ask don't tell" then maybe nobody would have told on him...
OMG that statement is beyond believable.....are u freaking serious? How can you compare gay rights to "forcible sodomy"?
Sarcasm recognition fail.
He's hetero. The charges against him are adultery, inappropriate relations with women who were subordinates, and forced sodomy with a female.
@Mark, President Bush could have and should have stood up and kindly told the class in a calm tone that he needed to go and left especially after the first plane hit! Instead he looked like a deer in headlights which was pathetic! Yes it would not have changed the outcome of those events, but he was the leader of this country and he needed to leave that classroom and start leading period! He failed that day as a leader!
Are we gonna hear the blame Bush BS forever?
Wow. Amazingly off topic for this article. But, yeah, I can see that he did need to run around like a chicken with it's head cut off and cause a panic in the room full of children, then the country as a whole. You've obviously thought this out and aren't some loony Bush-bashing liberal that would find fault with President Bush if he saved a child from drowning. Realllly.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question – what would you look like if you had just been told that a second plane hit the World Trade Center? Wouldn't you have the same expression on your face?
And how old is this goofball?
Looking at this story...it looks like something when wrong here...lol.
This guy just didn't walk into the army recruiting on 1 Jan 08 and say, "I want to be in the Army as a General". He served over twenty years. He's a republican alright. You know, the family values people. Total hyprocrites!!!
Shut up Petty Freddy. Show us where it states he is a Republican. Perhaps he is. Are you saying that only Republicans commit sodomy? U R and idiot.
As usual the Peanut Gallery is off to a flying start.
The story might want to tell us how many US generals have been charged under similar charges in the history of the US Army.
He has mohawk! lol!
The gay mohawk general sheesh
I think he sodomized that fake looking hair glued on his head...or is it something other than glue holding that on there?
He's hetero. His victims were women. He's charged with adultery, messing around with female subordinates, and forcing sodomy on a woman. Google the legal definition of sodomy...it applies to both men and women, gay and straight. You may even be a sodomite.
he's hetero. in this case the sodomy charge s for oral he got from a subordinate woman. he was cheating on his wife and got caught.
Fine upstanding citizen.
What's with his hair?
Who is mentoring these officers???? This is appaulling to me as a SOLDIER and a citizen of the US. Seems every week I read about another officer in some sort of misconduct, either in the Army Times or a major news network. These people need stern discipline and obviously training is missing somewhere... These are the men who lead many others in peacetime and combat situations and need supervision themselves. Unreal, just really dissappointing. They say military personnel are held in high regard by the people of this great country and this repeated behavior does nothing but really dimminish the great things that many others have done!
Shut up Private. Go scrub a toilet and mow some grass.
You must be the private if you don't see the reality in this! Or some 20 year SGT who was always in trouble, or better yet perhaps this guy is related to you!
thomas my dear, THANK YOU for serving our country. Sincerely. And you deserve a work environment where free from a CO who would forcibly rape you just because he's your boss. Rapist can be in corner offices, classrooms, military instilations. Everyone has and deserves the right to a safe workplace AND the right to file charges when theyve been a crime victim. I hope if you're ever confronted by a weirdo like that dude, you clock him good.
Brigadier Gen.... Dishonorable Discharge and about 30 years in Leavenworth should square this up.
In Soviet Afghanistan, man with bad haircut breach YOUR perimeter!
cut the jimmy off
Glorified killers.
Too much time around muslims. Next, we'll find out he has a 6 year old wife.
Wow, what an impressive racist somersault. That's some serious delusion there, mark.
Lies! Muhammad's wife was 9, not 6!
Did the General really share his smiling sausage with someone? He didn't give me my share.
VIVA, VIVA TEXAS!
Anyone know who he tried to pork?
YO Momma
People of the United States of America and DoD,
The key question that was failed to be answered was the Victim;Male or Female or both.
I am thinking he porked both kind.
I bet this guy is doing something/discovered something those in power don't want exposed. So "they" eliminate him.
Put down the CSI, NIS, CIA, FBI, 007 books and videos. You have crossed the line from reality to fiction.
that makes no sense at all, why would they cause him to be in the media if they were trying to silence him ... you had no idea at all who he was before today and now you have a little idea.
True story: In 1994 I was working in tech support for a PC manufacturer, which involved taking a lot of phone calls. During one of the lulls in one such call while the customer and I waited for the trouble ticket system I was using (a slow database), the customer suddenly said, "Hey, you hear about Kurt Cobain?"
"Yeah," I said. "Tragic."
"Yeah," the customer agreed.
There was a pause.
"It was the CIA, man," said the customer.
"What?" I replied.
"It was the CIA," the customer repeated. "They did Kurt just like they did Del Shannon."
"Uh... huh," I said, and fortunately the database finished its business so I could get on with the actual tech support at that point. The customer didn't say anything else crazy during the rest of our conversation, but...
They also did Bobby Fuller, and covered up Sam Cooke's murder.
I know, right? And Bob Crane.
Bob Crane had it coming.
If he had seen something he wasn't supposed to, he would have had a sudden heart attack or his Humvee would have run over an IED when nobody was around.
Dave,
Remember how everyone treated you like a goofball in high school, kind of cringed and smirked when you talked?
Nothing's changed. It could be all of us. Might be you.
Your classmate.
Do tell. Interesting, to say the least.
I remember has insight..Tell your story.
What a sick, degenerate looking old man. I wouldn't be surprised if he was negotiating with the fellow on his left to see if he could rape any of his children or livestock, and how much it would cost. If found guilty, he should be cornholed in public by a herd of camels.
Maybe he should be "forcefully " castrated.
this society really sucks and strives on peoples failures !!!! if this man is innocent his life and career is screwed !!!! will pray for both sides of the case if hes is guilty i say shove a boot up his a–
As Pile would have said.................."Shame, shame, shame!"
Pyle, you pile.
Chucking my brother under the bus, before any facts..............Dushbag award goes to.....
Umm... the story only says he was charged, just like any other story about any other person. Get a grip.
So...some of these men defending Amerika, if that's actually what they are doing, are kind of criminal types.
That would be another problem with policing the entire world. Aside from the fact that it costs too much.
Anybody who spells America as Amerika shouldn't be posting or commenting about important issues. They have already lost any bias.
So – who died and made you the arbitor of public discourse?
A lot of people have died to keep it America and not Amerika. They can't speak right now, I can.
Good for you. Would you like a cookie? One made right here..........in Amerika.
I guess you assume that everyone posting is from America? Germany and the netherlands and select other countries, The "C" is replaced by the "K". Thus only an uneducated person would assume.
Mmmerika! Fa fa fool me once, shame on me, fa fa fool me again and well I can't get fooled twice!
Is it just me, or does that picture make him like a cross between John Waters and Hitler?
You know what? That's pretty spot on, my friend! He sure does favor those two. LOL!
I'll have to third that!
That's not fair.
To either John Waters or Hitler.
He looks like Robert De Niro in Taxi Driver movie.
Nothing will happen to this guy because he's a high general officer who will be allowed to retire from the Army with a big hugh pension and all the benefits. Military law treats officers much differently then elisted personnel who would be ruined for life even if convicted of a few of the Generals charges.
As a veteran and a republican. I can truly say that they will drop the hammer. If not because he was a general officer but because this was on the front page of CNN. He is an embarrassment to the Army as a whole and to the esteemed 82nd.
Dear Leg, the fact is your not a paratrooper. thank God. " Aadr" is a coward. you won't even say your name. the reason 82nd Airborne is free. remember that. quit judging people. you sound like a Republican.
Jess I am a Republican and a Paratrooper spent 4 years in 3/325 at Vicenza. Spent 3 years at Benning and wear the Combat Patch of the 18th Airborne Corp from Saudi. I still got your I expect you to HAVE mine. I realize the op tempo now is bananas but 15 years ago it was just as bananas.
This story reminds me of Obama. Obama permitted those Fanatical Muslims to Sodomize Ambassador Chris Stevens before he was killed. Then Obama covered it up and said it was caused by some video that was blasphemic to Mohammed. But, Obama was WRONG again.
Stop Sodomy. Stop Obama.
well said....here come the liberals about to jump.....
If by "jump" you mean "shrug" at an inane comment – I won't even go that far. I'll shrug yours off, dismissively, and fail to finish reading whats-his-name's, because it's silly.
hey miquel...if that's your real name...keep supporting him because you can live off the govt right? And we'll have ambassadors getting tortured, secret service and military personnel acting like idiots out of control, and then the military budget will get cut in half and gutted while food stamps will double...woo hoo
Dave, you're getting more and more predictable with every post. (Though I'll admit – you jumped to the ad hominims a little quicker than I expected. I guess I overestimated your immaturity.)
Dave & R. Lee represent the "T party base" of the republican party comprise of delusional bigots, some of which, still have not gotten over the fact that the south lost the civil war. Their insane rantings will be irrelevent soon enough after Obama wins an overwhelming victory in the upcoming elections. They can go then back to squirrel hunting and fornicating with first cousins.
dave aka a Dump AAzz following the stink from the first Dump AAzz.
I'm pretty sure just about everything "reminds you of Obama," you sad little half-wit.
Pretty sure everything reminds you of Obama, since you are obviously obsessed with the man.
And the press ran with Abu Grabe daily for a month, and it kept coming up peridocially for a long time after that.
This will be on CNN's headline about another half hour, then it will be buried.
You'd better get used to Obama. Every time Romney opens his mouth, he sinks in the polls. You conservatives seem to be short on memory and patience. Did you really think the disaster of the Bush Regime could be fixed in four years?
True, if I were Obama...I wouldn't spend another dime on campaigning....I'd let the GOP self implode all by themselves...
Nice revision of history–but obama did just that–he said he'd fix everything. Then said he deserved to only be a one termer idf he didn't fix things. 2009–huge stimulus, that was going to fix everything–it didn't, it was a disaster and huge waste, it hurt the economy by piling on more debt. Then, instead of focusing on growth and jobs, he goes all in on obamacare–dissuading people from hring due to uncertainty, higher costs, another disaster. Next, summer of 2010–he and his crew all went running around–that was going to be the summer everything was going to be turned around. Now that he's a total failure, has blown more cash than the total size of most economies, with nothing to show for it except more unemployed, he says–well I couldn't solve everything in 4 years. He's done more to screw things up in 4 years than anyone could have imagined. Gas prices doubled since obama took office–why is that Bush–no it's obama. Middle class income, down 8%–almost $5,000–that's not Bush–that's obama.This is Obama's crappy economy, quit blaming everyone else, it's obama and obama's policies that make things stink–.
And yes folks, there's lots more fun coming up if that guy gets re-elected–all the worst parts of obamacare start kicking in (conveniently) after the election. obama, the sweet guy, just thin, starting in January, we have a new tax ON WHEELCHAIRS, a new tax ON HIP REPLACEMENTS, a new tax ON HEART DEFIBRULATORS. Yes, obama the great one, so caring. For normal people, when an ederly person, amybe your mother, falls, and breaks their hip–it's tragic–for Obama–it's a taxable event.
Get los with your nonsense about obama needing enough time. He's already had too much time, and screwed things up more than anyone could have expected.
Robert E Lee was a traitor and loser.
anyone who follows him 150 years later,
and insults a successful war president for fun is also a traitor and loser.
Nice point.
indeed!
You are truly a redneck and embarrassment to the South. As a son of the south and as a veteran and a republican I can say you have compelely lost your mind. As a historical fact we started the war in SC and surrendered in VA. You cousin signed the flipping surrender papers. BTW he was'nt a racist like you but a true southern gentleman.
I am the son of a marine and a WASP. The blind hatred and blaming Obama on everything is a farce. Never let facts get in your way. No matter what facts are presented, you will never believe them, and attribute everything that doesn't conform to your world view as liberal media slant. Only Fox new is fair and unbiased......and the world is flat!
Bet your Dad ain't voting for Obama.
Robert E Lee aka Dump AAZZ.
Reliving a childhood trauma?
If this was someone outside of his sphere of influence in his position, this is horrible. If it was someone that was subject to his command or under his power based on his job, the whole thing escalates to pretty near unforgivable.
Noting has been proven, yet. What if this man is innocent?! Why place such an article in headlines until all the facts are known. Damn!
...so... David... you're suggesting the media only be allowed to report trial results?
Does your rule go for everyone, or just military brass?
From what I can tell, he's already getting fine treatment. Zero details of the alleged crime have been reported, and the guy's not in custody.
Hey Miguel just serve a day in this man shoes...then you can post all you want. This whole discussion should be closed until the. What branch have you served in Miguel. I was a alot of people call call a squid...aka navy. Again I ask what branch of the military did you serve in? I'm assuming none as you haven't stated...I could use your name but am not going there..oh my i just did.
Very true.....amazed that there are absolutely NO details whatsoever on a story this compelling..
Dave, I have NO idea what you're talking about. (You've made very little sense today, frankly). The discussion here is over whether or not the media should be allowed to report on arrests, charges, and other acts by law enforcement which have been regarded as public knowledge by private and military bodies alike for quite some time.
You, and the poster above, seem to think otherwise, I guess. Pretty damn un-American, if you ask me.
If there's enough evidence to take a BG to an Article 32 hearing, it's definitely got more traction than a nasty rumor. For things to progress to this point there would have to be a significant amount of evidence.
Agreed....With his high military ranking there is probably alot of evidence against this man that they just aren't talking about. Doesn't look good for him does it?
Media shouldn't report any arrests, only convictions. Many people are charged, only to have charges dismissed or be found not guilty. But by the time that happens, the person has been already treated as a convicted criminal by the media or the community. European media only report the first name and last name initial, a much better way.
For a BG to be charged at all the evidence has to be pretty hefty. This is a huge embarrassment to the Military.
If they sent a 1-star home from Afghanistan, there's probably something behind those charges. MAJ Hasan is also innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but the news has been covering his case as well. Or is that okay because he's muslim
So, no one should have covered the OJ trial?
Yes, this is the first time in history that the media did not wait until a trial and verdict before reporting a story......
This guy was CHARGED by the MILITARY. He is a GENERAL. That is NEWS.
To be accused is to be convicted in the Army. At this point, it doesn't matter if he is guilty or not.
Agreed. If he really is on the way to Article 32, he's as good as toast. That said, he'll get over with a resignation and great great retirement pension.
Old Slick Willie Clinton did it in the White House and it all worked out for him. Maybe the general should ask Clinton for advice on how to get away with it.
If Clinton had "gotten away with it", we never would've heard about it. The fact that it was consensual prbably helped.
Willie was/is brilliant, that's how.
The general? Who knows. (For the record, it's not "forcible" if the intern begs for it, my friend.)
Change your handle to Owl Farm Observer, then I'll listen. RIP HST.
You did notcie the charge "forcibly"...I am pretty sure Ms. Lowenski was a willing partner.
and who wouldn't ake a nice b.l.o.w. j.o.b. from a fat chick??? They do it the best....
and who wouldn't take a nice b.l.o.w. j.o.b. from a fat chick??? They do it the best....
"It all depends on what your definition of is is"! Now that's Slick Willie and you gotta admit that he was cool under fire.
there is stupid. and then there is army stupid.
and then you have a whole new breed of stupid when working with or around air force.... don't get me started on the Marines, mostly because I respect them too much not to degrade them.....
How exactly is this forced sodomy protecting my freedom?
It's not. That's kind of why he's getting court martialed.
eeewwwww!!!
As a former 31E (Prison Guard for the Army), nothing will happen to this dude. He'll get a slap on the wrist or at worse a "forced retirement" WITH all the the perks with, more than likely, a General Under Honourable Condtions discharge.
yeah you are mostly right..he will likely be forced into retirement...i doubt little more beyond that especially during an election year.
Innocent until proven guilty in the media?
"Forcable" – yeow! I guess that is to differentiate it from "consensual" sodomy. Either way somebody's getting screwed in the rear end.
was he sodomizing with a man or woman?
It is the 'forcible' aspect that is the issue.
A woman. He's a hetero, charged with adultery, messing around inappropriately with female underlings, and forcing sodomy on a woman.
Reminds me of another to ranking official that engaged in lewd acts. Larry Sinclair has not been scared into silence or submission in four years and he most certainly is not going to be silent in 2012. The question for all of America today is: Are you going to allow the media to continue to fool you and refuse to report the truth about Barack Obama? If the American people sit back and allow the media and the likes of Moveon, Dailykos, DemocraticUnderground, Politico, et al… scare you into silence and/or submission by calling you racist or attacking you on the Internet, then point is, Obama will never be re-elected.
ya ya we know, Obama is satan...Mitt wants to save us.
I see. The good general holds the key to Mitt Romney's election, as is being railroaded by sly operatives of the Obama Administration? Am I getting your histrionics right?
He's going to be re-elected. Feel free to leave the country. You won't be missed:)
What an inane, stupid comment that is completely unrelated to the news article!
vet4life? Did you mean idiot4life perhaps? There is no connection here, perhaps only in your perverted mind.
Vet4Life – Thank You for your service to our country. You're right the Left Wing media wants to destroy our country with brain washing the average american who believes everything ABC/ NBC/ CBS/ CNN report.
The real issue here is that the same accusation Gen. Sinclair is being charged with, Pres. Obama is doing to all of us.
FIRE OBAMA.
As an U.S. Army vet I say you are a strap-on. Get real.
The military version of Sandusky.
Why are some people here assuming it' women trying to get ahead in their careers? The article never states male or female. If it was forced sodomy it was more than likely with males. Rape is rape no matter female/male. If he is guilty I hope he rots in hell with Jerry Sandusky.
Betty, there's absolutely no detail to go off of in this story, and the military's definition of "sodomy" is so broad as to encompass any number of acts in a variety of contexts. His conduct may be reminiscent of Sandusky's; it may reflect a different sort of behavior altogether.
Rape is rape and this is disgusting. But let's not forget that Sandusky molested children.
Look up the legal definition of sodomy. It applies to gay or straight, men or women. In this case the victim was a woman. he's also charged with adultery and inappropriately messing around with female subordinates. Makes ya wonder why heteros can't restrain their s exual impulses.
Was this legitimate forcible sodomy? To my understanding, if you're forced to sodomize your jaw will clench shut and mace will shoot out of your fingertips and a Tea Party member will swoop in to save you.
So since that wasn't in this news article, it was not forced sodomy. No way, no how.
An excellent point, Margaret.
It should also be keenly investigated as to whether or not the alleged victim was wearing his or her fatigues with a seductive modification, was on a third date with the general, or, perhaps, was his wife – all of which, I'm told, may cast doubt on whether or not the forcibility was, in fact, legitimate forcibility.
Very nicely said. And all I will say in response is this: Please vote... if we don't show up at the polls as we did in '08, the future alluded to by Sandra Fluke could become a reality.
Just another one of our" heros" . Sheep willingly doing whatever they are told for a Paycheck I mean "freedom" .
Every segment of society has its criminals, whether law enforcement, military, priesthood, whatever. Stop holding humans to a higher standard...you're gonna be disappointed.
Even though this is an extremely unpopular thing to write, I think I have to agree with you. Doesn't the armed forces consist mostly of poor dead-end losers with misplaced obsessions and ideals who have no other choice but to become killing machines for wealthy war mongers who couldn't care less about them or America?
YBP – I couldn't have said it better. Today's "all volunteer" military is really nothing more than a bunch of uneducated mercenaries. There's a reason that military recruitment offices are now called Armed Forces Career Centers. Perhaps Mitt Romney would use his experience at Bain Capital and outsource our military to some low wage third world mercenaries, who wouldn't receive any military benefits.
well, what can you expect from a dude whose hair due is inspired by Hitler?
disgusting if true but really, is this a lead story CNN?
Whatever. The outcome of the Packers game was the lead story for several hours.
Wait, isn't this story about a Packer as well?
Make no mistake. This is the lead story because they were able to include the word 'sodomy' in the headline. And let's face it, that's why everyone here read it, gay, straight, or otherwise.
Sounds like a hit job. Soviet Style
Well, blow me down!
Finally, its not Bush's fault. Obama will have to take this one, he's the chief after all
complete different sort of thing than the systematic abuse of prisoners in Iraq.
or letting one of your ambassadors get dragged through the street????that's a new low
or maybe he just considers that a bump in the road right?
Dave – if Obama "let" an ambassador die, did Bush "let" three thousand die on 9/11?
Grow up.
dave: "Finally, its not Bush's fault. Obama will have to take this one, he's the chief after all"
Reply to dave by Mark Taylor: "complete different sort of thing than the systematic abuse of prisoners in Iraq."
Reply to Mark Taylor by dave: "or letting one of your ambassadors get dragged through the street????that's a new low"
Reply to dave by 111Dave111:
I assume you voted for GW Bush, twice. And McCain.
So lets compare
R) Bush in Iraq, 8 years, 4,486 American Soldiers Dead. 16,623 Iraqi Military and Police Dead (aligned with Coalition). 1,487 Private Contractor Dead.
D) Obama in Libya, 6 Months, 4 Americans Dead.
Well Dave, it's a sad comment when a presidents screw-ups follow him for 3 years after he's gone.
I mean wow, how the duke of hazzard ever made it to the Whitehouse is beyond me. Do they give IQ tests in Texas?
Unfortunately we have a president that apologizes for some stupid writer....when it was a terrorist attack....please don't apologize for us, but I guess you liberals will never get that concept.
And your boy lied to the tune of 4000 soldiers dead...
My how proud you must be.
well afghanistan was his idea...how is that turning out again?
Death by erection.
My brother was a retired 82nd airborne Medic and he passed about 5 yrs ago, he must be turning in his grave, knowing this kind of behavior is bringing disgrace to the 82 Airborne/ He was so proud of his unit.
Yep must get purtyy lonely out in that thar desert......
This makes me angry and very sad. We owe a great deal to the 82nd. May God bless them and may he punish the wicked.
There are no gods, not even a sick vengeful one from the ancient near east with a bronze age sense of justice and morality, like the one in your childlike imagination. You god-obsessed types should open a science book once in awhile. You're about 400 years behind the times.
Well, this certainly offers another perspective towards role play.
God, I might skip the porn tonight and orgasm to this story.
good luck with that soldier..
In 1778, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy,[1] however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.
Instead of reading up on Thomas Jefferson, do, as others have reminded me, look up what the various legal definitions of "sodomy" include.
But, the question I have is, did "sodomy" mean then what it means now? Sodomy does not just mean one particular act that most people think of. It also means oral......
Leadership starts at the top...1600 Penn Ave.
You must be joking.
Our values have reached a new low over the last 4 years.
Yeah, I'm sure he NEVER took advantage of anyone via his position (pun intended) before that time......
(face palm!)
Are you saying as soon as we get a Democrat in office the military loses all integrity on values? Then they must have been pretty weak to begin with.
Get used to it, your in store for 4 more peaches.
Clint, how dare you! Why do you try to use common sense on ppl who have no concept of it? ;-)~
This general was likely serving in the military when the current president was still in school. To suggest that anything he's done is even the faintest, most indirect result of the election of Barack Obama is the height of YEAH-RIGHT.
Like the leader that sat in a Florida classroom for 10 minutes while we were under attack on 9/11?
You mean that kind of leadership?
Was President Bush supposed to run out of the room in a panic? What could he have done in those 10 minutes that would have changed the course of the day's events?
You're about as sharp as a box of hair...
Mark,
how about this: "I'm sorry class, we've got an emergency to attend to"
Sorry if that one was too hard for you to follow.. I can explain it further if you need to? Special needs?
And speaking of panic..
the guy was FROZEN with panic. You could see it in his face.
No, probably more like a "leader" who had two days advance notice of an intended assassination of his ambassador in Libya, but did nothing to try to prevent it, because he was too busy campaigning.
You didn't answer my question.
What could he have done in those 10 minutes that would have changed the course of the day's events?
Objective,
you have no idea what he knew and what he didn't know. Were you in the oval office when the security briefing took place?
Look, it's pretty sad when a president is sooo bad that it causes the rebel confererate flag-waving south to vote for a black man. That just tells you right there what a screw-up the man was.
And that is what you prefer? Really? You want to go back to that? Stock market in the tank? Jobs gone? What are you thinking?
Mark,
you answer: It shows what we discussed – LEADERSHIP
Not how to poop your pants in a crisis. At least ACT like a president, even if it won't save any lives.
Mark; Bush could have showed some leadership in a crisis situation. If you were in front of a class an received a report of a serious family emergency would you have sat there for ten minutes? I wouldn't have.
President Bush had the CIA on the ground in Afghanistan in a matter of days, with the US military following shortly after. The Taliban was effectively neutralized as a governing force within 30 days. I'd say that his response to the 9/11 tragedy was effective and a good display of leadership. Clinton would have lobbed two dozen Tomahawk's and called it a day.
I gotta agree with Fred on this one.
Obama managed to get Bin Laden after Bush gave up on it. Not sure you guessing what Clinton would do adds anything to your argument. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Bush barely made it out of college with all the coke and alcohol he was doing.
OMGarsh! What a coincidence, that's the same addrees where the illustrious Ronald Reagan had for several years, now I can now put 2+2 together! Thank you so much for pointing that address out and for your comment. I'm much wiser now thanks to you.....
Or the leadership that lied about weapons of mass destruction so he could settle a family vendetta, and LEAD 4000 of our best men and women to their deaths for nothing?
That kind of leadership? Is that what you want to go back to?
How about a leader whose wife had tens of thousands of shares in companies with military ties. To whom am I talking about you ask? non other then Lyndon B, Johnson, a DUMOCRAT!!!!! 58K plus killed, MIA and or POW in Viet Nam thanks to that DUMOCRAT!!!! Check your facts and then get back to the real world you 47%r.
That's the best you got?
You have to go back to 1964? How about we go back to 1864?
Want me to dig up some facts on Lincoln the first GOP? With 1M dead in the civil war? HA TOP THAT !
OWNED!
poor camel
Dude! that dar is funny, I don't keer who you are.....
may have been Osama's goats
Jon: you've posted, several times over, that you "seriously doubt the charge," that it's "a lie," and that you know the general to be an honorable man.
What do you know that the media isn't privy to, or isn't revealing? It would seem little or no information about the alleged incident is being revealed – only the basic charges the general is facing. Please share, if you would, what makes you so certain the man is innocent.
as plain lookin as he is, it would have had to been by force.
I am wondering how this situation got this far. When women in the military are assulted or raped by a fellow soldier; virtually nothing is done about the charges or anyone punished. I guess going after the "boys" is not acceptable, but going after the girls is "OK" in the boys club.
There's no indication in any reporting that the victim was a male.
yes there is.... by not mentioning "female" it tells people it was a male. If it'd been a female her name and or rank would be there, it's too humiliating for a male to allow their name and rank broadcasted....
Has a former SAPR advocate, I can say this is not ture. It is unfortunate, however, that rape is a very diffiuclt crime to prosecute
Assuming that the victim is a man is just a reflection of your interesting fantasies or your ignorance. Google the legal definition of sodomy...it applies to men and women, gay and straight. In this case, he's also charged with adultery, inappropriate conduct with female subordinates. He's one of your team. Makes ya wonder why heteros can't restrain their s exual urges.
I bet he had lots of female E-4 and E-5 and O-1 to O-3 20 and 30 somethings who were more than willing to get ahead in their careers by meeting up with the General after work for drinks. I bet one of them wanted to ge the General to pay for her new car and when he refused, and she ran straight to the MPs.
You sound smart abutt. I bet you have a high IQ. I bet you can find Osama Bin Laden.
Sadly though, he may be correct. There are people who abuse the system from both ends, so to speak, regardless of rank.
I have witnesed it in two of the units I have been in. Rules, as it would seem, are in fact made to be broken. There are very few of us that have not broken them. We are indeed the minority.
So you're certain the victims were not male soldiers?
He's also charged with inappropriate relations with female subordinates and adultery. We can assume the sodomy victim was also a woman. The legal definition of sodomy applies to both men and women, gay and straight.
DAM....IS THIS ANOTHER STORY OF MAYBE IT'S ABOUT TIME HE GOT CAUGHT...AND IS LATE BETTER THAN NEVER!!! HE LOOKS LIKE A DIRTY PERV!! HANG HIM!
who put you in charge Irene? I am the 82nd Airborne. quit judging people.
Hope he didn't force his sausage on you Jess.... Doesn't look good.
Airborne Ammo Dogs Rock Brother
Here is a thought....he could be innocent. When do looks determine guilt? Hang him, then sent him to trial....good call.
I agree with Jess on this one.
Rob – USMC, retired
sure he is...this must be obama'a fault.
Although for the proceedings to get this far against a general officer, the evidence must be pretty significant.
there havn't been any real proceedings yet. they just set teh date for the Article 32