August 24th, 2012
09:40 AM ET
Iran's new super-fast naval gunships
The aircraft carrier the USS Stennis will start heading back to the Middle East next week, returning ahead of schedule to meet any new threats from Iran. The move comes amid tensions over Iran's nuclear program and new signs that Iran is boosting its own naval capability. CNN senior international correspondent Dan Rivers has the details.
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All I want to know is whether or not it's faster than the bullets from a CIWS....
I wonder if they're fast enough to outrun one of our missiles and it's a boat, not a ship by any stretch of the imagination. They' ll make great target practice for the Warthogs 40mm cannons aslo.
This boat could not mount any weapons larger than a machine gun or short range shoulder-fired rocket. It would be blown away by a ship-mounted Gatling gun.
Phalanx radar-triggered Gatling Gun. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Problem gone.
Warthogs typically do not fly naval missions, as they are not carrier-capable. Personally, I'd love to see the Phalanx anti-missle system be manually operated to obliterate this thing...same type of cannon, just different vehicle.
DZA US maintains land based aircraft in the region so a Thunderbolt II is not out of the question.
I still see they have not add bar armor to the design as told them to (just some advice). Now a hare travels at 70km and with a .22M can be taken out with a head shot at 120 meters.
So we looked at the swarming and went asymmetrical, we though of using the Javelin, but required more distance so the SPIKE NLOS was developed. So going back to the Hare and 70km, 120 meters, the Barrett .50, MK 19 40mm machine gun, GAI-19/A machine gun, Phalanx C-RAM. The Iranians are fast and unstable we are slow and stable so the objective was to use that to your advantage, by setting up interlocking fields of fire in each quadrant (kill zone) In conjunction with traditional naval ship defense, Phalanx CIWS etc. Other than the development of the SPIKE NLOS the solution was cost effective an used current technology which was available. Not my idea got from a report by Rand on using the Javelin on swarming tactics for ground warfare.
Oops credit where credit is due also from those cheap Australians which during the First Gulf War used the Aemy 16th Air Defense on their frigates.
Admiral Jackie Fisher solved the problem of fast little boats over 100 years ago, inventing the "Torpedo Boat Destroyer" with fast firing small guns to blow little boats out of the water before they could launch torpedoes. Of course aircraft detect fast boats long before they get within range of any carrier, and also have the ability to take these fast but fragile boats out too. The only way this works is is a combatant hides behind non-combatants- a war crime. The Geneva convention does not protect combatants based on the proximity of non-combatants, rather, protection normally granted to non-combatants is removed by the presence of a combatant, so there is no legal incentive for war crimes.
Love how people think that that these boats are going to be easy pickins. Iranians could employ the swarm tactic. Send 20 of these at a naval ships. If they cripple a US destroyer or worse a cruiser, losing 10 of the ships would be worth it. My money is on them doing a mixed fleet. with these buzzing forward armed with some sort of anti-ship weapon with heavier ship standing off to fire heavier weapon. Which ships would you engage. They could easily overwhelm slow US ships. Most US ship carry on 2 CIWS and at most 4 .50 cal crew served weapons. These ships ride too low in the water for missiles, and the 5in guns proved in effective vs these types of boats in the past. it's like trying to swat a fly with a hammer.
If you guys think these are a joke, pray you never have to stop laughing.
all iranian want peace . and usa government want war
If Iran wanted peace, it could permit inspectors at their nuclear facilities. If they do not permit such inspectors, then Iran wants war, and is well on the way to reaching their desire. When the 12th Iman wakes from his nap, he will find that any remaining people are really mad at him.
don, Iran may "permit inspectors" when the u.s. "permits inspectors" from China and Russia to make sure it's not cheating on it's arms control treaties. If the u.s. doesn't "permit inspectors" then surely it's hiding something, in which case China and Russia must send their ICBM's topped with 10 mirvs per and destroy the u.s., and all rodents the likes of you... Your thinking makes sense? Cowards.
Maybe the common Iranian person wants peace. Your nutcase and psychotic leader is trying to provoke someone into blowing your country up.
I don't see Iranian warships on the shores of the US. I don't see Iran asking to verify the nuclear programs of the US and Israel. Iran would be stupid not to have nukes. I certainly would if I were running Iran.
Spend money on Education not building weapons. Middle class is struggling while middle class and poor are sacraficing. Don't have money to spend on improving education but have money to fight war with some country that is not threat to us. How long can we afford to keep on fighting wars for oil.
As long as we have a fiat currency which allows us to constantly print increasngly worthless paper.
Not paper its cotton cloth lol.
We're not building a weapon, we're using an existing ship to go back and patrol.
Now, if I'm wrong and you're actually referencing Iran spending the money and not the US (which I inferred), then I think you're right.
My take....leave Iran alone. Why bother. We do not know if they will attack any country. We do not know if they are making any N. bombs. Just be prepared that if they attack any country, we respond with full force to ensure they don't attack any country again. We did that against Iraq in 1st Gulf war and it worked. Saddam did not have any big weapons after that war. Same to be done here. Pre-emptive strike is a stupid idea and only fools will support it....oh yes and maybe those who benefit from un-warranted wars.
And then when we do, people will whine about attacking Iran and wonder if it's worth the time and lives to get "revenge" for it 6 years later.
I don't think Israil will wait until AFTER they are nuked. Preemptive strikes are their only option.
i did not know their gun ships could shoot under water.
Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf"
If we all take are ARs out on speedboats, we can create a militia that has the capability to destory the Iranian navy.
I am going to take my speedboat and put a few guns on it. Now I have the technology to join the Iranian navy!!! Please let us not exaggerate these ships capabilities. Iran is using this strategy because they have few options. These boats will be easy targets for helicopters and A-10's because they have no air defense and can be scuttled by the smallest missle.
We often forget we committed so much crime ( with all of our milllllllllllllllitary caaaaaaaaaaapabilities!!! ) in a tiny peasnt Viet-Nam, and we finally lost and came back home like a dog with its tail between its legs. Don't you think Iranians are hundreds of times more determined? You are not courageous going to someone else's land and dropping bombs from the air. We saw American soldies crying on the ground looking for their mommies, and returning home suicidal and psychotics. This shows the true nature of apparently robust, in fact weakish American soldier. Iranians cry when they pray to their God, but never one cried on the battlefield. For more than thirty years, we played every trick to tackle them and the result : They got stronger!!! If you think proportionately, they did in 30 thirty years and despite all the difficulties we created for them more than what America did in 200 years. Don't be so sure of your war toys, learn how to write in your own mother language, and REMEMBER VIET-NAM. Will you wake up now 1?
Beautifully put, Tam. I couldn't have said it better myself!!! Thank you.
I'm impressed by this persons ability to somehow witness EVERY Iranian soldiers battle experience and still find time to post so many grammatical errors here. Must be related to Santa Clause.
You forgot to mention, after the grammatical errors, that the same person also instructed Americans to "learn to write in our own mother language." Like we have one...
Also, I'm going to correct his statement:
Iran learned in 30 years of stealing technologies, what America spent 200 years of research and ingenuity to develop.
You are not courageous going into an area of conflict, and dropping bombs from the air. You are intelligent, reducing casualties on both sides by using precision guided equipment to destroy only that which you want to.
For more than 30 years we have abused our soldiers trying to harden them, but instead created a military force that at a single sign of weakness is more likely to turn on us, than to attack the "enemy."
Iranians cry when they pray to their God, but never one cried on the battlefield because the last time we were on a battlefield was when we tried a sneak attack against Israel, and after they annihilated our forces we turned tail and ran away leaving our ally, Egypt, to pay the price for our failure. By the way, Egypt is no longer our ally. I wonder why...
In conclusion while we have some very good war toys, yours exceed our abilities which is why we don't want a war. Your country is a collection of many cultures, therefore it doesn't have a mother language. Remember Vietnam and don't make the same mistake twice, ensure that you have a goal when going into war.
Will this person actually attempt to wake up and learn that while America isn't the "best" country in the world we WILL protect ourselves, our property, and our allies from ALL threats, foreign and domestic, and protect our way of life?
You are living in the past Tam. In a real war where the US really uses it capabilities, Iran would not last very long. Vietnam, Iraq and the others were fought with many "engagement rules" that tied our hands. That won't happen in future wars and your tinpot powers, like Iran, won't be able to compete at all.
Judging by your "in a real war" comment, you're referring to using nukes against a country like Iran. In which case, in a "real" scenario like that, big countries, like China and Russia, will be added to the equation.. And those countries, as you know, have enough nukes to obliterate the u.s. many times over.. What's your point here?
Remember Vietnam is the best you can do, Iranian against the US only one thing will happen a lot of dead Iranian. Don't fool yourself the US Fighting man DIDN'T lose in Vietnam the politician quit. Iran is no match.
nchunter, you forget to realize the likes of you would suffer heavily too.. Look at iraq.. Thousands dead, nearly hundred thousand, give or take, crippled for life.. What is that, nearly 1/10 of the entire u.s. military crippled for life?
We often forget we committed so much crime ( with all of our milllllllllllllllitary caaaaaaaaaaapabilities!!! ) in a tiny peasnt Viet-Nam, and we finally lost and came back home like a dog with its tail between its legs. Don't you think Iranians are hundreds of times more determined? You are not courageous going to someone else's land and dropping bombs from the air. We saw American soldies crying on the ground looking for their mommies, and returning home suicidal and psychotic. This shows the true nature of apparently robust, in fact weakish American soldier. Iranians cry when they pray to their God, but never one cried on the battlefield. For more than thirty years, we played every trick to tackle them and the result : They got stronger!!! If you think proportionately, they did in 30 thirty years and despite all the difficulties we created for them more than what America did in 200 years. Don't be so sure of your war toys, learn how to write in your own mother language, and REMEMBER VIET-NAM. Will you wake up now !?
Tam my boy, you sound as if you may have been a VC sympathizer? Was that you i saw running up the HCM Trail?
shanter gets butt hurt hearing the truth. Old coward.
I think this one of the sheep thinks that is living in medieval ages and if you think that your history is good you should know that if US hadn't helped saddam Iran had done his work once and for all(if you dont believe go and see wikipedia)and To those who say US should nuke them you don't know that what effects it has on earth it's not a good idea and see US soldiers in Afghanistan they are killed every day .you even know that what nervous impacts they are experiencing no you don't know because you are siting in your warm home .attacking Iran is the worst idea we should first talk to them face to face and solve our problems
well,the question should be "what was the name of the dealer exactly?" With all the Bla-Bla that we can heard from the S_State about sanctions and they did not stop or knew about this deal??? its a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice speed boats would be great for skiing and tubeing but up against Amcan battle fleet they make great target practice to keep out mini guns in shape.
None of these posts address Iran's real goal here. They're not going to face off against the US Navy, these boats are perfect for a fast-attack on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which is EXACTLY what Iran has said they will do if they feel threatened. No way can we prevent it unless we completely blockade Iran's shoreline.
Also, these aren't rocket launchers, they're notoriously inaccurate mortar launchers. But more than effective against a LCC (Large Crude Carrier, aka supertanker), you can't miss one even at half a mile. 1 LCC could block the Strait for weeks, possibly even months before traffic could resume.
Agreed, no one in the armed forces of Iran in their right mind would take on a US Navy carrier battle group, however these vessels look ideal for harassing cargo vessels whether oil or otherwise. That would be the stated goal here.
The boat could be the weapon on impact . The White House has sat back and watched with ZERO resolve on the table other winning an election . It is much to late now for obama wisdom or lack there of as it will only be seen as another attempt to boost polls .
Hilarious article. Is anyone supposed to believe that Iran's new party boats pose any sort of a threat to a carrier battle group?
They don't need to go after our battle groups or even get near them to wreak havoc in the Gulf.
Leased a new Chevy Volt a month ago. 1,250 miles on 3.9 gallons of gas + $1 per day in electricity. Let the clowns in the middle east blow each other to shreds. I'll be laughing my ass off.
not worth $40,000. Can't stand alone without taxpayer subsidy
Gee....................you're really stupid.
What are you taking about? You don't have a clue.
And how many tax dollars do you think are used to subsidize the cost of importing oil? Trillions! Petro wars and Terrorists that get revenue from oil are costly. Let's make everyone pay the true cost at the pump and we'd be wean off foreign oil pretty quick. The alternative energy subsidies are an extremely small fraction of true subsidized energy cost and wouldn't even be needed in a free market.
Nice bass boats!!!!!
they re-invented speedboats........how cute!
These are power boats made of fiberglass and armed with .50 calibers and b-40 rockets. The rockets are grossly inaccurate when fired from land. On a speed boat they are waste of fuel. Iran is a weak power and always will be.
I can see a U S Destroyer Skipper licking his lips right now!
An A-10 Warthog or a Blackhawk would decimate these things. Or anything, for that mater, capable of having a GE Mini-gun on it.
I am amazed at how many people keep talking about Warthogs and Blackhawks and other non-naval platforms with mini guns shooting these boats. First off people, the Seahawk (naval Blackhawk) does not use mini guns. It uses a M-60 on the SH-60B model, but the helicopter is used in an anti-submarine role. Also the majority of combat jets use the M-61 Vulcan 20mm Gatling. If an aircraft carrier,amphibious ship or other combat ship doesn't carry the model of jet or helicopter you keep posting, you are automatically talking out your tailpipe and have no clue.
Target practice indeed. One shot from a Barrett M107 could easily disable one of these boats. This is what the rifle was designed for, and the USCG uses them to take out drug smuggling boats. Two dollars a round is hardly going to bankrupt the U.S.
Ooooooooohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!................I just blew a load in my shorts whilst reading your manly hubris.
bet you did, but he's right columbians and mexican drug smugglers have been using these boats for a while. this article is just a waste of time, the coast gaurd could easily defeat these boats. Don't get me wrong, I hope we don't destroy Iran and waste a bunch of money but these toy boats are no threat.
How often does the USCG operate in the gulf and how many full size blue sea cutters do they have, maybe 30 or so? This is not a platform used very often for roles outside US territorial waters.
Perfect for USN target practice.
Iran is an ex-country. They have already sealed their fate as a piece of abstract ceramic art designed by the famous
joo Netanyahu.
Not as fast as USN anti-aircraft/ anti-missle guns.
Let's see...we have weapons that can shoot down an aircraft traveling at several hundred miles an hour....I can't see these being any harder to hit.
Is that the new Ranger Elite Series? Gotta get me one.
Step One: Instead of fighting a multi-trillion dollar war. Instead invest one trillion into alternatives like solar, wind, nuclear.
Step Two: Stop buying half the regions oil so we can stop funding Iran's nuclear program, war machine, and terrorist.
Step Three: Watch the middle eastern economy break on CNN.
Step Four: Enjoy $1 per gallon gas prices and lower energy bills.
i would agree with that.
brilliant , that way they can just sell their crude to the rest of the world . Do you honestly think the U.S. consumption is that critical for ANY of the producers ?
I agree dont nuke Iran, FK THERE WOMEN THEY SO GOOD THE BEST...AND THEN SHAVE THE ABEARDED MEN CAPTURE THEM AND GIVE THEM TO THE SUNNI IN IRAQ SO THEY CAN REVANHE FROM THEM....IRAN IS EVEIL , HIZBOALLAH , BASHAR AL ASAD OF SYRIA , IRAQI AND LEBANEESE SHIIA ALL ARE THUGS KILLERSLIKE IRAN , THE SHIIA MUST END WE MUST KL ALL THE SHIIA IN IRAN AND MIDDLEAST.
Hey you, if you have to make one of your stupid right-wing comments in here, just do it but please leave that filthy Tea Party lingo out of it, will you? Like I said before, maybe stupidity has a place here but that Tea Party lingo does not!!!
We need to spend the money on Education and incentive to manufacture goodsin made in America and not on wars. We are already going Bankrupt except for corporate America which is making more money than ever and CEO"s even when they are loosing money making millions. Which small business can small business can stay in business after loosing money only corporate America. Steal from middle class and give breaks to rich and corporate America. Solve own problems before spending money on wars. People die, become disable, to save few $$$'s on gas come up with alternative to oil. Fighting for corporate America or other countries is stupid. Look where is China and India because they are not spending that much money on wars. Spread love not war.
We need to spend the money on Education and incentive to manufacture goods in made in America and not on wars. We are already going Bankrupt except for corporate America which is making more money than ever and CEO"s even when they are loosing money making millions. Which small business can small business can stay in business after loosing money only corporate America. Steal from middle class and give breaks to rich and corporate America. Solve own problems before spending money on wars. People die, become disable, to save few $$$'s on gas come up with alternative to oil. Fighting for corporate America or other countries is stupid. Look where is China and India because they are not spending that much money on wars. Spread love not war.
From 30mph to 60mph. Very very deadly...CNNinja please.
Cheaper way to go is to breed trillions of those west nile virus mosquito's, shipped them over here, and cut them loose in the country side.
That is actually very funy and I like it! better yet sand fleas!
Your mother will have a tough time breeding a trillion fleas out of her hole.. You didn't turn out too wise, what makes ya think your brethren will be any different?
War is a profitable business. Out of Iraq and in to Iran that the U$ policy
1. Don't underestimate the enemy. 2. Make damn sure ya know who the enemy is, so ya don't get played by the locals.
3. Best way to win, is not to play!
Iran is a joke why dont we just nuke them already and take all there oil!!!!!!
Are you insane?! You would murder millions while patting yourself on the back for "stopping a mad man"? Guess who the real mad man is... YOU.
Jesus wants us to nuke Iran
Nuking is for nuts.
Why don't you learn how to spell?
I must be missing something here – are soverign nations not allowed to defend themselves. Or does that only apply to western nations. These silly little boats are only good for defense. Is the bully allowed to dictate who can defend themselves and who carn't?
Fast attack boats such as these were used in Naval war games and the American who commanded that simulation actually WON the encounter with Navy ships far larger. It so embarrassed the Navy that they reset the game. There is no reset in real life.
The Bully sure thinks so.
That Bully is named "Israeli", and its' arrogance knows no bounds.
Are you ready to kill thousands to preserve "The Hebrew South Africa"?
Or would you rather spend billions more to defend "The Jewish Tibet"?
stupid
Good heroin runners.
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Typical "totalitarian-state-propaganda" by our "is real – first" corporate media. Made up to keep killing americans for the benefit of a foreign sect.
Investor Wars: Korea Thru Syria
...In every single case of US mayhem (that if totaled up reaches many multi-holocaust proportions), civil war, fomented by the US itself, has been used as a pretext for unlawful barbaric criminal intervention by US Armed Forces, most often prepared by a corporate business dutiful CIA using its far flung network of banks, media, double agents and cooperating NGOs... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32270.htm
Good posting, hyperbola. Thank you.
iran copies nothing from britain britain is the enemy all iranian military equipment is build and copied by chinese and russian design. iran does not use crap british technology and no iranian student ever talks to a british filth professor this is all made up.
Well, I guess they can die stylishly now – once "we" decide that it's time to murder them forthe sake of "peace".
Israel OWNS America! Now shut up all you Americans and get back to work.
Jason.......Been a J O F F long or just since you got up this morning?
Nice try for a rock-throwing peasant. Now, get back to your camel, Paki.
Another waste of sperm heard from.
What do you mean "NEW THREAT" from Iran? When was the FIRST one!?
Have you heard of the radar slaved mini-gun? Unless these boats are faster than anti-ship missiles they would never get 5 miles form an aircraft carrier.
These boats aren't going to get within 300 miles let alone 5 miles of a carrier battle group. But that is not their purpose; swarming attacks on large tankers and making swarm/suicide runs on American Destorers assigned to close escort duty in the Straights of Ormuz is what these craft were designed for and excel at.
Just wait to the US Navy stretches a tensile cable between it's ships about 3 feet off the water. There will be halfs of Iranians floating all over the place.
That sounds more like something the Apple Dumpling Gang would do instead of the US Navy, but thanks for the visual.
And then they will put sticks into their spokes! That will show em!
I guess the United States should surrender to the all powerful Iranian Navy. What with all the firepower they have at their disposal. All the rowboats we have in the Gulf are no match for those speed demons and their cannons.
The Iranians can skrew the waterways by sinking a couple of their own old ships right in the narrow Hormuz Straits thus blocking the shipping route.
Now that Iran has become an existential threat to the USA, we have to watch out for additional threats from this devious enemy. Remember how our inspectors identified Iraqi chicken farms as factories of WMDs? Remember how a killer rabbit attacked President Carter? The Iran atomic weapons program serves only to divert us from the real threat: the Iranian killler rabbits and chickens!
Hey Man Respect to other's capability..During 911 ur own ppl has hijacked planed and used as missile in ur hi-tech country.Thats ur beyond imagined done by Chicken.Huh.Think b4 speak.
Hey sparky
I'm guessing English was not your strongest subject back in school.
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Hey Bubba Abdul......take an English course. Your sentence structure needs a lot to be desired. Squeeze that towel on your head......and try again. Don't worry....we won't laugh.....lol.
Since Iran has invaded and occupied Mexico and Canada and has deployed its formidable navy right off our coast we should be seriously worried and be taking some counter measures.
You're an idiot Boob..and not very funny either.
Hows he an Idiot? dum sht kickin hick
Does Iran's belligerence have no end? How dare they improve their navy and deploy fast ships in our territorial waters (the Persian Gulf). They're behaving as if we have Aircraft carriers and warships and dozens of military bases right next to their coastline and border! Oh, wait...
very well said and witty!!
India has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
yeh and pakistan ir our friend too idiot without india wed have no good drs or scientists at least indiand come to the states and work not drain our society
yeah we got an immigrant called Rajat Gupta from India and we trusted him and he screwed us americans. He is a cheat. Just found guilty of heinous crimes. Will get life in prison and become a burden on american taxpayers. these hindus are burden on Americans whether out of jail or in jail. Deport these punks back to India is what i say.
lol goodluck having companies notout source to india at leastthey are intelligent hard workingpeople not liike mexicans and blks who drain our society and offer nothing substantial they justtake our highschool kids jobs
LOL. Once I ordered Dell Computer battery from call center in Bangalore and got a box of basmati rice instead. These Indians are brain dead.
I dont want a penny of my hard earned dough going to India. These carpet beggars need to stand up on their feet.
Get in there, filth. You've been called out, US. Make your play or crawl away. The world is laughing at you garbage. Get in there, and fight, kill and die, you trash. No more blowhard yap. Put up or shut up.
Who let the trolls out?
Nice to see you come out of the closet Mr. Lee.
Guess he hit a nerve, huh?
New fast boats; well at let least we will not have to use our expensive drones to practice shooting skills now!!
Bill old man, old duff, old pal, old buddy. You really should devote a little time to proof reading
Thank you, Bill Lee. You hit the nail on the head!
Yay, new targets
Neat idea! Poor-man navy force! Not bad for a weak country to face off a much more powerful navy force. Imagine hundreds of this speedboat launched at the same time from all directions could cause a very hectic and confusing scene. Coupled with ability to launch missiles, they could be a very dangerous force. Unlike air defense, where it costs a lot more and takes much longer training cycle, they could be replaced quickly and cheaply in terms of both production and crew training. If the boat can float over the water to eliminate drag, it could be as fast as an airplane.
Hydroplane (fastest speeeboat available) [Also not the type of boat pictured] ~ 50 mph
Boeing 747~ Avg. 652Mph
You do the math.
A jetski will go faster than 50 mph, moron. A hyroplane can do closer to 200 mph.
little laser guided missiles will sink all of them in the first 10 minutes of conflict at night.
These small mosquito speed boats can also launch missiles aimed at the big ships.
Bi-Plane you mean...
Their navy doesn't have hundreds and their entire regular navy is under thirty boats I think. Not positive. And it sounds like you've never seen our Navy in action when you rub their hair the wrong way. Can't wait till one of our fine young men posts a video of their action on you tube.
Son, guess you haven't seen a guided missile cruiser in action when the crew didn't get ice cream for desert.
Islam is the greatest killer of all time, worse than Christianity, fascism or communism.
Islamic jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school.
"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." –De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8.
“The Christian World came to wage crusades against Muslims but eventually knelt before them to gain knowledge. They were spellbound to see that Muslims were owners of a culture that was far superior to their own. The Dark Ages of Europe were illuminated by nothing but the beacon of Muslim Civilization.” (F.J.C Hearushaw, The Science of History.)
“The Renaissance of Europe did not take place in the 15th century. Rather it began when Europe learned from the culture of the Arabs. The cradle of European awakening is not Italy. It is the Muslim Spain.” (Robert Briffault, The Making Of Mankind)
“The lies which we [Christians] have heaped round this man (Mohammed), are disgraceful to ourselves only.” (Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship)
“Muhammed was the most successful of all religious personalities.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 4th & 11th editions)
“The greatest crimes, the greatest “sin” of Mohammed in the eyes of Christian West is that he did not allow himself to be slaughtered, to be “crucified” by his enemies. He only defended himself, his family and his followers; and finally vanquished his enemies. Mohammed’s success is the Christians’ gall of disappointment… He did not believe in any vicarious sacrifices for the sins of others.” (Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)
Thanks....
Alien,
Many thanks for the quotes!
So Reymond SHINboZZo,by your count if I understand the UNIVERSE existed on the lone side let's call it Heaven and there was peace and just peace.None saw or knew before the advent of ISLAM what killing was about,what was War like,what Oppression meant,nobody knew before ISLAM came into play.All the religions and civilization lived in totally Harmony,love was in th air,love was in the Hearts and mind and thats how all the rules of the world were played by.Then all of a sudden everything changed.Islam came and it killed all the goodies of the time gone by.Shame on you bozo,is this how you will love to be called a human with brains.
If you were so write in blaming Islam for all the evils then tell me how much you know who christians,the good old Hindus and Bhuddists and others replaced and establised their reign and religious code as there must have been someone else before the came into being or do you even believe that it was all these above civilizations that existed.Was Islam always there that when ever a good thing would happen to the world,it will simply come in and kill it with impunity.
Was Egyption civilization destroyed by Islam 3000 yrs back,Was Greek Empire the victim of Islam which did not existed at that time or Was Roman empire destroyed by them.
The only thing I assume from your rehtoric and claims about brutality of Islam is what is going on around you today.that has plunged you into such inferiority complex that is eventually making you say things that in total reality has nothing to do with the Religion of Islam.Though if yo use the verb Muslim and try blame them for bad facing Islam in the first place I will agree with you but again do not be baised as good and evil they exist in all sphere and religions as we know it.None of the religion,nowhere in their manifesto tell their follower to kill kill an kill.Yes if you are Muslim or your country is predominantly muslim and by fortune beneath your foot is flowing oceans of Black oil gold,which is the case by large,then you are bad bad bad and your country is definitely worth to be destroyd with all the living beings along there.In that case for other the sacred cow is the OIL not religion and not humans.
Therefore keep your mouth shut if are counted to be as a sensible social being otherwise do not claim that you know too much.This only expose your scattered and empty upper chamber of knowledge that is closest to the reality otherwise.
I suspect your numbers are quite a bit exaggerated... as they situations are. In any case... we'd be travelling to the stars right now on warp ships if it weren't for the Christian dark age. Current christians consistently prove themselves as anti-science world is flat type people even to this day.
But wait a moment Obomma said it was a peaceful religion , Do you think he would have lied to us ???
Cool they have a fast boat...The U.S has many boats too.
Let's all hope that there won't be an idiotic war between the two countries! Iran in no way poses any kind of threat to the U.S. In Washington these days, going to war is just big business for making money and gaining political points and that makes me sick!
There is no answer for 4 SS22 Sunburn missiles flying and mach 2.5 and engaging in violent end maneuvers. And, when the carrier goes down the end of US naval supremacy and gunboat diplomacy will be at hand. Then, every nation will order them from Russia and tell the US if it wants to cause a problem, then go ahead and make their day. I am an American and I can't wait to see a carrier at the bottom of the gulf. My government has become pathetic and I pray everyday for revolution. I ask all Americans to pray with me.
"I am an American and I can't wait to see a carrier at the bottom of the gulf"
WOW... how patriotic of you...even I think our over reliance on big ships is idiocy but I wouldn't wish for Americans to die to prove it.
You also forget to acknowledge that these big ships happen to be surrounded by plenty of smaller frigates/destroyers and submarines all armed with weapons that can combat these high speed boats. Not to mention none of the boats even seems equipped with a torpedo which could sink an Nimitz class vessel... if they did fit them with torpedos you can be they'll be a whole lot slower.
If that is your true feeling , then you are a SLIMBALL like Obummer , these ships are manned with hororable saliors just doing there job , & caught in the middle of this . And you would love to see these young men killed , to make a useless point , well I would love to see a ton of bricks fall on your useless STUPID AZZ !!!!
Perhaps had our Iranian posters had ever served in a US Navy ship and knew it's capabilities, they might not be so quick to the boast. War hits both sides, but the side with the most toys wins always has, always will. It's stupid to speak of war if you've never been in one...
Dear Jack: You must not have a very memory. Iran fought eight years with Iraq. Eight years jack, Eight.
You must not have much of a memory. We BEAT Iraq. Twice. First time, in less than 48 hours. Second time, even less than that, the rest was mop up work. Even won Iraq's civil war for them. We beat them for 8 years jack, 8. We lost 3000 people there, Iran lost oh, 700,000 in 8 years. We have been in Afghanistan for over 10 years, and deaths are under 3000, doubt Russia, Britain, or any other "empires in the grave" ever said anything nearly as good. Anyone thinking Iran stands ANY chance, might do well to remember that... JACK.
Read what the US Navy did to Iranian forces during Operation Praying Mantis. The Iranians would not stand a chance against the US Navy if the US Navy was intent on destroying their naval power.
Bob: Eight years of moron vs moron is nothing to be impressed about. 80 Nautical MPH is not going to save you from a CIWS firing at your unarmored hull...
funny hearing an Xbox nitwit boast of his country defeating a much much much weaker enemy, you should be proud!
Jack you might study up on asymmetric threats and swarm attacks.
Read up on Operation Earnest Will where the US leased a pair of oil construction barges, reinforced and armed them, including helos and patrol craft and used these against the Iranian, who where trying to mine the Straits of Hormuz. The US beat back a couple of Iranian small boat attacks successfully with coordinated helicopter and patrol boat counter attackes. They also successfully captures and Iranian minelaying vessel.
Jack you are write none stand against US Navy or any unit for that matter,but so far I am sorry to say US has not won a single war,a single war jack a single war.
If you have attacked Grenada,Dom.Republic or other Banana state then I can't agrue with you on that.700 000 soldiers died in Iran Iraq war less civilians,you know why,coz the war was fought by to armies facia a facia,mano a mano.
Did you really won wars in Iraq,says WHO??? US destroyed a country,plunged it into a civil war and left it in Shambbles.
and you call it a twice win win.Come on If you are an American you still can be intelligent,though it always is not the case.
US 1 by 1 took the teeth out of Iraq mouth during Iran war,made sure they have no capability left for the near future advnture that was to launched with your Govt blessing by attacking Kuwait,and then simply turned them into villian and yes destroyed them in 48Hours the already destroyed.By the way I think it took you even at that time of preparation for 6 months and was is you alone or there were coalition force along who fought.
The day US counter her match in the battle field,I will then see if you arguments have weight.For now in country that has no fighter jets,no Abraham,no laser guidedes,no satellite facility and is baeting the hell out of your individually fully covered body armered Soldier and giving them nose bleeding on regular basis.and you still believe JACK that you are winning war in Afghanistan.I beleive you are definitely on those opium dose that your CIA has imported only for likes of you from freshly harvested crop,transported via C-17 CIA owned planes.Anyway hallucinating is good a bad idea these times of such economical crisi so keep on Jack,keep on.Americans are only good in beating the unarmed and innocent ones,just remember and realise that whenever you are out of dose influence.
Jack's right. Oh, and yes, Iran fought Iraq for eight years and could only get a truce. The USA took down ALL of Iraq IN Iraq in 21 days. Thats almost 140 times faster. Coast Guard gunboats have boats like this that are just as fast and even better armed and trained too, you just don't see them because they don't quite catch your eye or make headlines like a missile destroyer or a supercarrier
We are speaking of a Nation with a brilliant set of leaders, iran. In the Iran/Iraq war, the Ayatollah Khomeni destroyed his entire airforce Officer AND pilot commands because indeed they had plotted against the Theocracy, trouble is, in his military brilliance, he left Iran with absolutely no air cover or superiority, despite having modern F-14's and a slew of western aircraft, just no one to fly them because they were all executed.
I would assume the new leadership is just as insulated, just as wary and just as vicious to do something just as dumb this time round. War??? Just destroy the Mullahs, the Ayatollah and all their residences and hangers on.. That will give them something to think about...and the populace would probably thank you.
A nuclear Threat from Iran can no longer be prevented since when Iran is not allowing a few sites like Parchin&Fordow etc to be examined by IAEA and moreover they have more than15 nuclear sites some of them deep inside mountains. It is obvious that THEY are cladenstinely developing nuclear bombs which cannot be stopped.Only a nuclear strike in future can be preempted by devising strategies which preempted a Pakistan nuclear strike on India in 1999 during the Kargill conflict between India&Pakistan(This has been corroborated by the definitive hints in NAWAB Sharif's biography-where he quotes then Pakistan Army Chief Musharaff of having plotted to drop the ATOM BOMB over India and Bill Clinton's Biographical books where Clinton says he felt to rush to the continent to prevent an imminent nuclear war)& again in 2001 as well as N Korean one over S Korea in 2010 during the USA-SKorean war exercises.For details please see my Facebook notes etc since these are too lengthy to be described here.
IN THE 1999 ATOM BOMBING PLOT AN INTELLIGENCE MANOEUVRE WAS DONE BY ME BY PROGRAMMING THAT INDIA WILL RETALIATE WITH THE MORE POWERFUL HYDROGEN BOMB DUE TO WHICH REASON THEN PAKISTAN PM NAWAB SHARIF RUSHED TO WASHINGTON TO PLEAD WITH USA PRESIDENT CLINTON TO SOMEHOW STOP THE CONFLICT FROM ESCALATING AND ALL THIS EVEN BEFORE A FULL FLEDGED WAR WAS YET TO START WHICH LEFT NATIONS AND LEADERS WONDERING.
Now If Israel wants to save itself then both Israel and the World including India will have to shed the sheer hypocrisy which is afflicting arrogant world leaders and countries and media alike which is the Root cause of the Nuclear,Cyber&Economic warfare looming large over world.Of course every country has a right to have nuclear weapons just as much as every person has the right to have licensed weapons for his self defence but which in fact will cause only anarchy.The world esp USA stopping the Iranian A-Bomb is only as much credible as was boasted of in preventing the N KOREAN Bomb
America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2.
In 1953, America overthrow Iran's democratic government and installed a brutal dictator Shah of Iran. America helped Shah to established secret police and killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
During Iran-Iraq war, America helped Saddam Hussein and killed one million Iranians. America is the only country that shot down Iran's civilian air plain and killed all 290 passengers.
In 2003, America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and displaced 4,000,000+ Iraqi people.
Now, America is a failed country with huge debt. Its debt will be 24 trillion by 2015.
Every other day a city in America is declaring bankruptcy. ha ha ha
at least we don't live in a damn dirt pile. Can't critize a whole country for what their government decides to do. Go eduate yourself and didn't you ever learn to treat people the way you'd like to be treated???
'Can't critize a whole country for what their government decides to do' – lol. Education comes with Understanding, why dont you get off your high horse and look around you. No-one wants the US to go bankrupt? Or for the US to implode, but your ideas and analogy is purely evil and destructive. If the US government were truly a strong and intelligent government they would use diplomacy much more and weaponery much less.
Thier more interested in thier toys than thier own country – Morality – Justice – Freedom – Human lives. If any of you warmongers have a child, I want you to image its head blown off and its brains spewed on your floor – thats what war really is.
Hug a tree dude !
go ahead and stay in iran. you will die with the rest of them when the time comes and its coming in a nuclear minute.
You little over confident dic. Just keep believing in your own superiority until the day you have none.
God bless the ROTHE CHILD,BILDERBERG GROUP and M.I.C,the concerns should be thanking them sometime soon for bringing USA to such state.I assume that in the chase to establish NWO,CHANCES are that they will loose thir Plateform INSTEAD,i.e USA.
My 2 penny suggestion to the NWO copy righters could be,You guys should have done it when there was no internet as ICT information Comunication Technolgy was not as yet developed.But sorry guys it seems while you were working on conquering the world,at the same time you were firing on your own feet by creating an antidote to your intentions,i.e Internet.Should have kept us the world population ignorent of this knowledge and should sent BilL Gates and Steve Jobs to guantanamo long before or to the alcatraz.
It seems sanction aren't working. Iranian are getting stronger everyday. On the other hand USA can't risk to go to another war. Its time for American to accept Iranian in International community.
obama just never had the nutz to kill his muslim brothers.
He ordered to kill OBL? You forgot?
Iran took a page out of America's play book? Weren't PT boats America's speedboats in WWII?
Ever hear of the US Navy's small boat units in Little Creek and San Diego? Just asking .....
The Hydrofoils ?
Check out Texas' new navy for patrolling the Rio Grande and the Gulf against Mexican Cartels. I think I would fear one of those coming against me than one of those clunky Iranian tubs.
it was posted in the wrong section.
meant this to be a new post
To all of you guys that say a mission will destroy a speedboat.
You guys are missing the whole point. It’s not the speed boat, it’s the strategy. You are right; one million dollar smart missile will have no trouble destroying one inexpensive speedboat. How many smart missiles does an F-14 have, or the carrier that it came from? After the F14 or the fleet runs out it has to retreat. Haven’t you heard, its human wave tackles?
But let’s say the fleet can be resupply. How many million dollars missiles can America afford to make?
In one of his tapes, Osama Bin Laden said he didn’t do it. He also said if you come over here, Afghanistan, I will bankrupt you. The U.S. went in with a surplus of money, now the country is about to go bankrupt.
Before some of you out there call him stupid and other words, remember, he was a banker. He had a lot of money, how much do you have? Yeah, I know, his father made the first billions but Osama understood you defeat an invincible army through the wallet.
Most of you war and hate mongers are leaded on a leash so easily.
Why a smart Missile, the 200 round 30 mm drum cannons on the 14's will do the job. Actually a high speed fly-by will disrupt the boat enough, that it will be out of control and capsize. Tonka Toys!
I agree, a drum cannon is powerful, firing an array of rounds per second. Again, the same strategy, the drum cannon will run out of bullets. The drum cannon will have to respond to every speedboat.
You've watched Top Gun 1 too many times.
If you wanna call people war mongers, at least show a little thought process behind it? F-14s aren't in service anymore, and haven't been for a while. And an aircraft carrier has a nuclear reactor for power... not fuel. It can actually stay at sea indefinitely. And, we don't need million dollar missiles to take down a speedboat because frankly, the speedboat cannot do anything to the carrier unless it is packed with explosives... and even then we have guns onboard that can defeat it.
Um, Mike? You are not quite 100 % correct on the 14's. That was media announcement. World has ears.
There are still 78 flying from US base in Bahrain. They stand down next year.
Besides that, anyone here ever see a Mach I flight at near surface level over water? It leaves a 10 meter crested divot in the water. Now what high speed boat can navigate that with out doing a nose dive.
Mike, you’re right, I’m not a war monger, you are. You, my very intelligent war monger friend, miss the fact that the same concept is still there. Human wave tackles.
My very intelligent war mongering friend, you’re right, with nuclear fuel it can stay out, for 8 years. It does have to come back to port for food and other supplies, like bullets. As for the speed boat, it is going to be arm with one or two missiles, forcing the carrier to fire a drum cannon, until it too runs out of ammo.
Wow, you’re smart. I’m afraid to face you on the battlefield my war mongering friend.
One last thing Mike.
The speed boats may not attack the carrier but it can attack a supply ship. Just though you might want to consider that my war monger friend.
Capt Zeb, every single F-14 in US Navy service, with the exception of a handful saved for musuems and main gate displayes have been shredded at a special facility at Davis Monthan AFB. The last F-14 was retired from the US Navy in 2006. Iran was the one and only foreign customer for the F-14. Iran was supposed to buy 80 but the order was cut short by the revolution and only 44 were delivered before arms shipments to Iran were ended. 12 or 14 of them remain in service today.
Kuwait flies the F/A-18.
you people need to educate your damn selves. Even if the country does declare BK things won't change. Trust me the government will keep pumping out $
Marines or sailors with shoulder fired Javelins, helos firing Hellfire missiles ($78 grand a copy, pretty cheap really) and dirt cheap Hydra 70 rocklets, F/A-18's firing Mavericks (another inexpensive missile from the Vietnam era) and Hydra 70's and deck mounted guns like the 25 mm Bushmaster cannon fitted to most combat ships today.
you underestimate the power of the American people. It would not be the first time the sleeping giant has been woken. The American people are very resiliant and resourceful. All you have heard from the American people is a snore as she sleeps. Wait till you wake her up. God help you then.
andy, As China moves forward, the u.s. sure has a hard time waking up to reality. Which is that in the coming decades, China will gain primacy in all realms, ie. economic, military, science and technology, and politically. So why isn't the u.s. waken yet? Wake up and deal with it..
What are you all talking about? The US can't afford another war? China and Russia dont want the US and its allies to monopolise energy resources across the Middleaset, and taking out Iran would involve them too – 3Rd WW – for what? Because Zionist's running Israel and since JFK was killed 70% of the Senate and pentagon are mannipulating Obama into giving them your money, arms, resources, personnel when you are bankrupt? my god – go to Occuppy and stand up for yourselves Americans – ??? The US has the largest and most powerul Millittary in the world because your government is speanding 'trillions' of your money on weapons – ofcourse its more powerful than Iran, but Iran is more powerful than Iraq, Afghanistan, Liby, Syria, Hezbullah all put together, so it will cost you your lives and your money – for what? The headbanger screaming Help me, Help me, they might stop me breaking all international norms – Crazy.
good call Rob....US won't go BK because middle east is shoveling us $ for resources....guns... F-15's...etc. read the news people!!! Oh i forgot you never went to school to educate yourself
hmmm...arms to dicatorships against Freedom(supporters of wahiibi terrorism) and who are about to fall – The US really thought this one through – those weapons acould lead to the end of the US in that region perhaps.
If the CIA would pay for my fuel, I would take my boat, Twine over there. At 405,000 pounds, tri-deck , and 85 knots on the water. Google her: the world is not enough boat
Persian Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia is going to by 10 of these fast bout from Iran. I wonder how much these bouts worth?
Oh, I'd say about what a 1980 Skeeter Bass Boat would cost...
I think that guy's coming with a load for the DEA...
To all of you guys that say a mission will destroy a speedboat.
You guys are missing the whole point. It’s not the speed boat, it’s the strategy. You are right; one million dollar smart missile will have no trouble destroying one inexpensive speedboat. How many smart missiles does an F-14 have, or the carrier that it came from? After the F14 or the fleet runs out it has to retreat. Haven’t you heard, its human wave tackles?
But let’s say the fleet can be resupply. How many million dollars missiles can America afford to make?
In one of his tapes, Osama Bin Laden said he didn’t do it. He also said if you come over here, Afghanistan, I will bankrupt you. The U.S. went in with a surplus of money, now the country is about to go bankrupt.
Before some of you out there call him stupid and other words, remember, he was a banker. He had a lot of money, how much do you have? Yeah, I know, his father made the first billions but Osama understood you defeat an invincible army through the wallet.
Most of you war and hate mongers are leaded on a leash so easily.
Why a smart Missile, the 200 round 30 mm drum cannons on the 14's will do the job. Actually a high speed fly-by will disrupt the boat enough, that it will be out of control and capsize. Tonka Toys!
Uh yeah, the u.s. navy retired F-14's in 2006.
speed boats that line the coast east and west in the us I wonder if the new fighter jets we have over there will take ten seconds to blow these out of the water we should send them some bulls-eye targets for there boats stupid camel-jockeys thay will be spending lots of time with davy jones on the bpttom
Speed boats do not out run missiles. or the Sea Wiz. Iran, is such a stupid country, they have no sense at all.
Rick you need to study the capabilities of radar, missiles, fire control and gun weapon systems then rethink your post.
Sybaris, during both Operation Earnest Will and Praying Mantis, Hydra 70 rockets fired by helicopters and Rockeye cluster bombs dropped from naval aircraft such as the A-6 successfully sank Iranian small boats.
Sybaris, both CIWS and RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) have anti-surface modes for use against small speed boats.
The media keeps focusing on attack boats, but they don't focus on are Iran's advanced anti-ship cruise missiles that Iran probably has hundreds of them. They can be launched from back of the mobile launchers from land, so satellites can NOT locate them and as a result, they can NOT be taken out by helicopters or A10s. US Navy vessels are totally sitting ducks for these missiles, and they barely have any defense against them. IRGC destroyed two Israeli Navy corvette class vessels off the coast of Lebanon back in 2006 war.
Helicopters and A-10s can't take out missiles anyways... But the Phalanx gatling gun (usually 4 of them on a carrier) can.
the phalanx pulls at a rate too high its ammunition exhausted very quickly, it is certainly not perfect protection.
Israeli corvette hit by a Hizbullah missile was equipped with the phalanx system, however it was completely useless.
The Israelis didn't have the CIWS lit off. Their intel didn't have the Hezzies equipped with anti-ship missiles so they were not ready to defend against one.
The missile threat is over rated. If you study the history of naval warfare in the missile age, most anti-ship missiles launched in anger have been defeated by electronic countermeasures. All of the 40 some anti-ship missiles fired at Israeli naval forces by the Egyptians and Syrians during the 1973 war were seduction jammed and defeated without the Israelis firing a shot (they had no CIWS back then).
During Operation Praying Mantis all of the many Iranian missiles fired at the US Navy were defeated by chaff and electronic countermeasures.
Of the seven Exocet missiles fired at the Royal Navy by Argentine forced during Operation Corporate, five were successfully jammed. One of these subsequently locked on another ship that had no countermeasures, the Atlantic Conveyor, and hit it, setting it on fire. Of the two that were not jammed successfully, one hit the HMS Sheffield (it sank due to lousy damage control, the missile never even exploded) and one hit another destroyer but passed right through her superstructure without exploding.
Libyan anti ship missiles fired at an Italian Island in retaliation for Operation El Dorado Canyon (the Island had a US Coast Guard LORAN station on it, hence the perceived retaliation) missed a stationary island!
Missiles are over rated, and their warheads are not big enough to take out an aircraft carrier. Cause a fire? Yes. Sink it? You would need several dozen, maybe more to seriously threaten to sink it. Iran cannot come close to putting that kind of a stream raid in the air. The US Navy was built to fend off mass missile attacks from the Soviet Navy. Iran is a far less demanding foe.
if I understand your reasoning Whenever an opponent gets a shot it is because you are not ready, without consideration for the opponent in the face?
Hizbullah hit the Israeli corvette, they were not ready it is only their fault.
do you want to Hizbullah to send excuses for not having informed the Israeli navy? do you want Hizbullah to send excuses for not having informed Israeli armored division of the presence of anti tank missile as well?
do your research on the google the sa'ar v possesses well the phalanx system !
U.S. Navy has repeatedly warned of the serious risks of war in the strait of hormuz, when the Iranians sink half of the fifth fleet there will still be idiots like you to say: "we did not know that they had these weapons, and this technique naval guerrilla "
I am no expert on warfare, to be sure. But I would try to manufacture a powerful canon capable of firing a string of floating mini-mines ahead of the ships. Warships could be surrounded with such strings of mines in case of attack.
Next is going to be most advanced drone that Iranian brought down almost untouched last year. With all these sanctions they are making progress and make American nervous.
If Iran starts any trouble we should take out their mullahs who are enslaving the Iranian people. They are the same fanatics who sacrificed millions of their youth during the Iran/Iraq war, That is the way they stay in power....creating enemies and starting wars.
The boat is just a distraction to allow the Iranian water skiing behind it to toss his grenade.
You make a good point. It's not just boats, but the mini-submarines hidden under the boats! The Navy may mistakenly focus on the boats, but may miss the submarines!
A Stinger missile would take out one of those boats just like they do Aircraft. The difference is, the boat can only move two dimensional not 3 like a fighter can. Easy targets!
Stupid backward camel jockeys. What they need is a good dose of Revolution. Throw the Ayatollahs out. Just a pipe dream, though. History says they will keep up their silly self defeating behavior. Maybe Israel will step up and level THEM.
mercy, cowardly trolls as yourself come out of your holes with wild fantasies but yet fail to realize the consequences. Iran has enough firepower to level israel and u.s. bases in the region.. Repeat that in your rat den.. consequences. Easy, right? Same with big countries.. If u.s. picks a fight with China or Russia, consequences would be mirvs across the board, and lots of dead rodents, such as yourself.. Not too hard to grasp, aye?
an anti-aircrft against a boat ? are you idiot ?
It worked in WW II
The idiot is Rayan, They track the frequency of the engine. The rotation of the turbine. Afghan rebels used them on the tank of the Russians.
On the contrary, the Ideas makes sense, not stupid at all.
Beautiful boat by the way.
... and if the boat blends in with merchant traffic at night?
your call smart guy
This is not the height of technology. They take an existing speed boat and add weapons: not particularly sophisticated. The problem with this strategy is that they would be sitting ducks for helicoptors or A-10s. They would have no armor to sustain an impact from even the smallest missle, and have no real means of air defense. An A-10 could potentially take out 20 in pretty short order.
iranians man pad will care about the A-10 fly very very low tu attack a target..........
The helocopters would be no problem in case of an attack. The Iranians would most certainly deploy plenty of air power to protect their boats. In other words, if I were the strategist, I would bank on a Pearl Harbor type surprise attack.
They may cause some damage with a surprise attack, but it would be the last damage Iran ever does.
USA could destroy up to 4 to 5 bouts coming close to its ships. But imagine 20 of these fast bouts with missiles attack at once. That worries USA military.
I heard on the news that Iranian are copying the most advanced drone that they caught last year. I am wondering how these sanctions don't work! They are really intelligence people.
I read all about that drone. The US is MOSTLY worried about one area where there is concern of whether Iran or other states could reverse-engineer the chemical composition of the drone's radar-deflecting paint or the aircraft's sophisticated optics technology that allows operators to positively identify terror suspects from tens of thousands of feet in the air. Media reports claimed this week that Russia and China have asked Tehran to provide them with information on the drone. Isn't that something?
Hopefully it won't come to WAR..A few of fast boats could possibly get through our defenses, but it would not be easy. The US has multiple land and sea weapons around Iran. They would be getting hit from all sides.
If there is any one out there who thinks a war between Iran and US will be limited to the strait of Hormuz, I'd have an acre
of land on Mars, I'd like to sell him or her.
It's plainly obvious that, If Iran attacks a US warship, US's bombs and cruise missiles will rain on Iran. It's not that the US shouldn't fear Iranian fast boats, it's that Iranians have far more to fear from a global power than the US has from a small country half way around the world, encircled by the most advanced military the world has ever seen.
And Iran has enough firepower to obliterate u.s. bases in its region, where those "cruise" missiles are stationed other than the ships, which also is in Iran's reach. What then? icbm's? That would make a pariah state out of the u.s. and accordingly would be dealt with by the likes of China and Russia, who also have icbm's. Trolls like yourself are self centered and do not realize consequences to stupidity.
A .50 caliber round travels at about 2800 feet per second to a little over 3000 feet per second when shot from a rifle. There have been reports of greater speeds (in the 4000 to 5000 fps range) perhaps with sabot rounds. How fast does that little boat go again?
To get to a carrier you have to get by around a dozen ships not to mention the air patrol overhead. All those ships have weapons. The Ma Duece is still one nasty article. I imagine they have "one or two" on board.
Exactly why this video is hyperbole. Even if they sent 100 of these boats at once a minigun fires 5000 rounds a minute, then there is the .50 cal which could penetrate the engine block with 1 round. For every 1 of these speedboats there are probably 5 different guns that will be pointed at them at s moments notice.
off, you're assuming the speedboats are weaponless. They'll be unleashing armada of fire at the enemy. Won't be easy training those guns on the speed boats when you're getting swarmed from multiple directions.
After reading this post, I'm now scared purple!!!!!!!
No more wars for zi0nism..
US's fear mongering knows no limit. But in the US the corporate media can even show the picture of an Iranian donkey and tell the public that it is a threat to the US and unfortunately the clueless public will buy the story !
Quite true James, quite true. Unfortunately like you said, the public will be ignorant enough support the right-wing thugs in Washington as always. This country probably will never recover it's former prosperity as a result of all this!!!
To both George & James & all the people of the world –
I am wonder how these americans can allow their warmonger leadreship to go war one after another around the world without any realistic reason since WW2?? I am also wonder how these americans can make their country such a beautiful country with such limted knowledge as their political leader can easily make them foolish with bogus information? Please stop all drumbit for war. we do not want war anymore. I also request all Americans -please stay away from other country's internal affairs. I believe if you stay in your own territory, the world will become more peaceful on the very next day. we do not need you as world police. Trust me.
US is the most serious threat to the world peace. And please try to expose palestinian problem. please manage a sovereign country in the palestine land. it is very much possible. Can you imagine, how palestinians are living in their own land for more than 60 years?? If this problem can be solved peacfully I believe terrorism will be reduced almost 80%. I guaranteed. We do not want any more war, no more war at all.
Beautifully said, Rukan. Thank you.
so US warships can shoot a missle out of the air, but not a speed boat? I doubt they are faster then a predator drone and its hellfire missles!!!
I doubt the boats are faster than radar and the speeding hail of bullets they will encounter....
on radar can you tell the difference between one of these boats and pleasure craft mixed in with merchant traffic?
didn't think so
It's the amount of boats heading towards a warship what is a concern. I am having difficulty visualizing, how in the dark of a night, on a rough sea, can the U.S. Navy destroy a hundred or two hundred boats beading at 72 knots towards its aircraft carrier from every angle ... by surprise? By surprise here means that they are already arriving. If there are any experts out there, I would like to hear if this can be done. You don't need to say how, for the Iranians are good listeners. Just say, not to worry!
I remain unconvinced. Is there a way to cordon every warship with a string of floating mines, just in case? I would also deploy high potency lasers, not just bullets.
Those boats would be hard to hit from a warship I would guess. The warship would need to decide very quickly to shoot or it would be too late.
Merchant ships would have no effective defense other than retaliation by a civilized country
minigun or .50 cal would totally obliterate them before they could get close enough to cause harm...
what is your opinion, not the opinion of the U.S. Navy has warned against a possible disaster, the Strait of hormuz and a narrow corridor.
taken between hundreds or thousands of Iranian fasts boats, the + – 20 Iranians submarines, and thousands of surface-to-sea missils on iranian coast Iran. the fifth fleet runs to disaster.
war is needless, iran is going to have deterrence. anyway.
as admitted by Gen James Mattis the current head of CENTCOM, Gen Cartwright, Adm Fallon etc.......
If the Iranian regime does not want war then it should stop pursuing a nuclear weapons program. There are many nations without a nuclear weapons program that are very prosperous. When you combine this with the hostile rhetoric that comes from Iranian leaders it seems at though they are intent on driving the West to war. There can be peace, but the West will not repeat the mistakes of Neville Chamberlain.
I don't necessarily agree. Only one out of a hundred needs to get through!
mingun fires 3000 rounds per minute, .50 cal has a range of over a mile. Do you seriously think that a speedboat that is intended for recreation is capable of doing anything?
Stupid people I swear. There have been a long history of small boating vessals attacking/blowing up larger naval vessals. I.E. Freaking famous terror attacks. You people are beyond stupid and don't take the time to remember anything.
It appears that, in modern era, each warship may have to have a multiple continuous escort of special "boat-killer ships", on every side,to prevent a disaster!
Phalanx radar-triggered Gatling Gun. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! Problem gone.
Speed boat a threat???? Florida and California coast is full o them. Are they a threat??? How?
These boats have torpedoes and missiles mounted on them. They are not leisure craft. They have allocated about 100 of them for each US Navy ship.
let's not forgot thousand missils on iranian's coast...... each sunburn missil can take out an aircraft carrier
Rayan, "Sunburn", or Raduga 3M80 Moskit, is a very old missile system that is thorougly compromised. It is also a big honking thing with an infrared signature that shows up miles out. It is not the least bit stealthy and it's performance at sea level is nothing close to the figures you see in the enthusiast press.
You might be surprised to know the US Navy bought a bunch of Russian made Kh-31 supersonic cruise missiles to use as targets. Their actual performance never came close to the claims. The US eventually replaced them with a much better target called GQM-163 Coyote.
Cheese Wonton: Iran has its own cruise missiles. They are not using Russian or Chinese technology. If they can bring down the fancy drone, they should be fairly sophisticated. They know about all the defensive system of the US.
We used them in WW2...called them PT boats..Patrol Torpedo I recall as the designation. Wicked little things too.
The Florida and California boats aren't suicide boats. If they were, the Coast Guard would be shaking in their boots!
Any news would make israel nevious has my full bl;asing.
I am happyto see new boat to make israeli more nevious
Maybe it can pull a human pyramid of armed soldiers sking the straits?
Who's the dum bazz in charge of camoflage?
Well said Mark... nice camo colours...
The faster they are, the quicker they sink.
If you mean "sink into a side of a warship," then I agree.
remember of Nicaragua's fearsome air force was supposed to be within 45 minutes of bombing Texas ?
remember the mushroom cloud of Iraq's non-existent nuclear weapons,
that was supposed to blossom in american cities ?
remember Qadhafi's terrorists hunting down americans ?
remember Shariat law, the infamous mosque in nyc somehow dishonoring
the 911 victims ?
now here it is, be frightened, be very frightened, another third world country has its hands on some weapons to threaten US.
The wierd thing is that a 15 trillion dollar economy, with 700+ military bases around the globe, with 8000 nuclear tipped inter-continental missile, with 12 nuclear submarines perpetually and invisibly travelling around the world, ready to launch nuclear missiles,
this humungous power, is afraid of a tiny country 1/6th its size in area, 1/5th its population, 1/16th its economy, with a peanut size military budget, so afraid, so shivering in its boots,
Oh my god they have fast boats !!!!
True...but can it pull a skier?
Thats awesome Darius
Very nice reply. US uses every tiny excuse to justify its wars and war-mongering. It has a military budget of 700 billion dollars and has attacked numerous countries and staged numerous coups. Its military industries asks continuously for more wars.
Well said...!
Pity I served six years in the military to help protect MORONS like you, Kyle and GOP ASS-ociation.
The U.S. military as a whole is not "fearful" of Iran and losing a possible conflict, we are respecting their capabilities. We as individuals are ABSOLUTLEY fearful of going into combat and dying. Having fear of the adversary keeps you alive...being arrogant and not respecting their capabilties will get you killed Then again its easy to say you don't understand someone's fear when when you're the one sitting in the comfort of you own home.
Please Darius, now you're scaring me silly! Imagine that, a third world country with fast boats! Now I won't sleep tonight either.
Well put Darius. Article would be better placed in The Onion. When are the Americans going to stop responding to the boy who cried wolf? Eventually I hope we can wisen up and kick out the neo-con and other nuts that are wiling to send our American sons and daughters to die overseas to fatten their wallets a little more.
Iran is best contry and nation in the world
Hey, Darius
If you read (you can do that, yes?) a little history, you will learn that the U.S. is ponderous and slow in terms of diplomatic and military response to third world wannabee "strong men". On the other hand, we don't let those like Saddam threaten our access to purchased oil that we could and perhaps should just TAKE!
We fight in third world nations rather than waiting to fight them here. Conscious, SMART choice. Just keep poking the hornet's nest, fellas. The target practice just makes our military more effective!
Let's just hope that these boats here may help to be a deterrent to a foreign attack on Iran. The very last thing the world needs is another senseless war in the Middle East. There has already been far too much blood spilled!!!
WORD = GOP Association
Old People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Sick People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Poor People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Female People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Non-white People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Non-christian People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Unemployed People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Gay People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Glob of cells in a womb = Something we PRETEND to care about just to get votes.
Well put, GOP Word Association. Thank you for the above post.
Phuck U!!
Sounds like a Romney-Ryan stream-of-conscienceness. But you forgot:
Retirement Funds – Loot 'em
Failing Businesses – Loot 'em
Cayman Islands Tax Shelter – Store the Loot!
Numbered Swiss Bank Account – Store the Loot!
What a beautiful looking boat
Very nice boat... I want one! That look like fun!!
... trouble is, the girl blew off...
Really good-looking practice target.