Civil rights groups sue U.S. for killing of Americans tied to al Qaeda
By Ted Metzger, with reporting from Joe Sutton
Two civil rights groups sued the CIA director, the defense secretary and two military commanders over two covert U.S. strikes that killed three Americans in Yemen last year.
The operations killed radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, his son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, editor of a Jihadist online publication.
The two groups - the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights - filed the lawsuit on behalf of the parents of Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan.
It claims the strikes that killed the three men violated their constitutional rights because the targeted attacks "rely on vague legal standards, a closed executive process and evidence never presented to the courts," according to the complaint filed in D.C. federal court this morning.
"It's about accountability," said Jameel Jaffer, the ACLU deputy director. "If the government is claiming the power, as it seems to be, to kill any American who is deemed to be a national security threat without judicial review of any kind, then we believe the government has an obligation to explain its actions."
But in the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, who was a major figure in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Justice Department said it is justified.
He was linked to the plot of the so-called "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab and alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan, and the Justice Department says there is a legal framework in place that makes going to the courts unnecessary.
"It does not require judicial approval before the president may use force abroad against a senior operational leader of a foreign terrorist organization with which the United States is at war," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a March speech. “Even if that individual happens to be a U.S. citizen."
The legal argument is slightly different for Khan and al-Awlaki's son, both presumed to be collateral damage in the drone strikes.
Khan was killed in September alongside Anwar al-Awlaki, whose son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, died in a separate drone strike a few weeks later, also in Yemen.
It is unclear whom the U.S. was targeting in the attack and why al-Awlaki's son was near that location.
Jaffer hopes those questions will be answered in court.
Relatives say the terror suspect’s son was not affiliated with terrorism.
"I never thought that one day this boy, this nice boy, will be killed by his own government for no wrong he did certainly," his grandfather, Nasseral-Awlaki, said in a video statement provided to CNN by the ACLU.
The Khan family's attorney advised them not to make a statement, but family friend and former family spokesman Jibril Hough said the issue isn't personal, but constitutional. "What Samir thought, felt, etc. is not the issue. The issue is the Constitution and giving the government the power to kill anyone 'at will.' " Hough said he didn't agree with Khan, but, "He he had 'rights' as an American. If we don't have those rights, then we are not much better than the regime in Syria and other rogue places."
Holder said the U.S. takes the death of innocent bystanders into account.
"Under the principle of proportionality, the anticipated collateral damage must not be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage," Holder said in March.
The lawsuit against CIA Director David Petraeus, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and two military officials seeks damages against the four government officials. It does not name a specific dollar amount, only saying "an amount to be determined at trial," according to the complaint.
"It's not about money," Jaffer said. "The main purpose of bringing the lawsuit is to obtain a kind of accountability that can only be obtained in a federal court."
This is the second lawsuit the ACLU has filed on behalf of Nasser al-Awlaki.
In 2010, it filed a suit in federal court trying to prevent the targeting killing of Anwar al-Awlaki after it was made public that he was on a U.S. government "kill list."
The court dismissed the case a few months later.
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Let's recognize the ACLU for what it is and has been for decades: a nest of traitors.
And then let's give them the traitor's just reward: death on the end of a rope.
Suppose America declares a war against a country, a group or a society, and during the fighting at the front line it discovers that there are some Americans fighting on the enemy side. What should the American forces do, stop aiming their guns to these Americans and arrest them so that they are sent to court? Ever been at the front line?
The Americans fighting against us....well, ever hear of treason?
Actually "Americans" fighting for and opposing armed force in a conflict are no longer viewed as 'regular Americans' by the Laws of Land Warfare, there are classified as "Enemy Combatants". This is not just an American law, it is the standard for the Rules of War in all NATO Nations. So al-Awlaki is no longer classified as a 'non-combatant' he is an enemy combatant and therefore any strike on him is justified by the Laws of War.
Is this the ACLU's way of subtly satirizing Obama's Nobel Peace Prize? I approve.
Killing this terrorist is like police shooting down a thug who is pointing a machine gun at a crowd of innocent people and is refusing to surrender his weapon. Absolutely justified.
Why does everybody think Due Process will make such a difference. Obviously you haven't spent too much time in the legal system these days. It's not exactly Jefferson and Adams
Americian's favorite past time, lawsuits. If this case actually wins, every family who's members died in anti-terrorists attacks will be filing. They must realize, warranted or not, it will never win. The government will draw a very clear line.
Not surprising. Same plague that ruins our health care system by ranking up the so called defensive medicine.
I can't believe the ACLU is that naive, stupid or anti-american not to grasp the threat here.
I can't believe how easily you're ready to give up your right. How about you just move to Iran, instead of waiting for USA to turn into Iran ?
UCLA understands very well what's at stake. What you do not grasp is that means do matter. Fighting terrorists by breaking your own laws, and turning the country into a Police State defeats the purpose. There is no more USA to speak of to defend once you ignore the basic rules by which if functions. Just another petty police state, that one day will not like you, call you a terrorist, and fire a Maverick up you butt.
It amazes me how individuals like yourself, Tom, cannot understand what type of threat we are dealing with. Have you ever seen this man's videos on the Internet? Do you not understand the type of recruitment and organizing this man was involved in? He was an enemy of the state...no difference than an American that declares war on the country. He was openly participating in actions that led to the death of innocent people and Coalition Forces. Why don't you head on over to the Middle East and try to reason with these find gentlemen. Or head over to Kandahar, Somalia, Syria, or any other terrorist haven and tell them you want to work with them and be an ambassador for peace. See how well that works for you. By the way, it is the ACLU not the UCLA...
Tom is a poster-child for the traitors at the ACLU.
He would have had us serving Hitler with a lawsuit rather than shooting German soldiers.
Tom is about the only person with sense on this blog. Most of you are brainwashed.
Let me address a few things
You state he was responsible for attacks on the invading forces. Where is your proof of this???
You State Enemy of the state. Yet the mainstream media fails to tell you washington invented al-queada and actively funds terror groups (Look at syria for example)
Should i continue?
Obama gave the order. Why isn't the ACLU going after him? Well, we all know why.
In fact, Barack Obama needs to be indicted and taken to the I.C.C. and tried for murdering these people but won't, sadly enough. This proves that the adage once coined by JFK that "life is not fair" is true.
Lyndsie, are you really that naive? I'm a Republican and no fan of Obama but to really think we should indict a president and sent him before the ICC for making a national security decision? Really?
What were his options here? Apprehension and arrest? Not likely. These guys were planning mass murder. If you can't arrest them, what other options do you have?
So, you have somehow convinced yourself that the ACLU suing members of Obama's administration is, what, a pro-Obama statement? A benefit to his re-election campaign?
Right wingers just cannot seem to grasp that ALL citizens have the right to due process – even criminals and terrorists. They tell themselves that just because the ACLU is protecting sur process rights, they must somehow be in favor of whatever the issue is at hand.
Righties – GET OVER YOURSELVES. The ACLU HAS NO POLITICAL AGENDA. That they even have to exist in a society where the Bill of RIghts exists speaks volumes.
Quite true solex, quite true but you can't tell these idiots here that since they evidently never finished grade school.
so wrong Solex. It was a lefty president that gave the order. He can't blame Bush for this one, or can he. You both gave me a good laugh. Thanks.
Solex, you keep brining up righties. If I am not mistaken, our president, our attorney general, our secretary of state and our Senate are all left leaning Democrats (the Senate has a Democratic majority). The point being, it is not right wingers who made the decision to kill these folks. Just people who had the knowledge of what these people were capable of. In a perfect world, we arrest and try these idiot terrorists. But that NOT a realistic option here. With that in mind, what should the government do - allow these guys to continue planning mass murder?
Solex,
Have you filed a lawsuit to prosecute the Taliban leaders whom had recently executed that weak and innocent girl in Afghanistan? Prove yourself to the world that you could protect those innocent women and their rights in the Middle East.
Solex, they have NO political agenda? And what ____ing cave have YOU been hiding in, the one next to Osama's? You far-left-wingers are TOO funny!
well if the suspects refuses to show up to court and in the process of aprehending the suspect, the lives of the law enforcers and those of innocent people are directly threatened by the suspect and his acquaintances, are they allowed to eliminate that threat? I'm a liberal democrat btw. But I don't tolerate murderous treasonous terrorists.
The worst thing anyone can do is generalize, which is exactly what you are doing. You presume to speak for all liberals by condemning this, when there are plenty who approve and applaud these actions, including myself. I see these men, these American men, as traitors. They are men who run Jihadist sites and cause the deaths of innocents. If you ask me, any American who would want to see his country destroyed is not American, and therefore does not deserve the rights of one. To put it simply, they deserved a traitor's death, and they got it.
Children, if someone in your country wants you to be dead because your politics/religion is not to their liking, and they do everything they can to kill people in your country (including YOU!) that is war. It is in our country, and for those who want to take the enemy to court only because they are fellow countrymen who have turned traitor, you need to pull your head out of whatever orifice you have it shove inside of, and welcome to war. People need to read some world history.
"THE ACLU HAS NO POLITICAL AGENDA"?
Just who is the naive one here?
You obviously cannot or refuse to grasp what is important here. These so called "Muslim Americans" renounced their due rights as American citizens the day they carried out their first second of treasonous affairs against the people of the United States and its government. Do you think its a coincidence they couldn't carry out their affairs from home and not the middle east? At that point they became terrorists, not Americans (and you obviously don't know what the definition of being American is) and deserve the same death that traitors recieve.
To all the child think minds out there (White Hat/Black Hat types)
The only function of the ACLU is to protect and defend the Bill of Rights. Period. They have no political agenda. THey will protect ANYONE's rights – not just what is popular. They will protect Nazi Skin Heads as well as Muslim AMERICANS.
The ACLU will even fight to protect your right to spew your nonsense about killing ACLU members.
Have some humility folks for people who fight for what is right, NOT for what is expedient.
Your head has been up your back porch for way too long.
So in other words, you have no argument and take the child think way out and resort to name calling.
I rest my case.
Give me ONE common sense statement in which you clearly demonstrate that the mouse should fight for the right of the cat to co-exist in the same house?
Sure – a cst and mouse are members of nature where one is prey and one is predator. Mankind is not supposed to have a prey and predator mindset – we are supposedly more advanced and therefore do not compare ourselves with analogies of predating in nature.
Ohh, really? So, that's your common sense argument? We are NOT SUPPOSED to compare ourselves to predators? "NOT SUPPOSED" ? I see how you base your arguments on real life observations where terrorists predate civilians and intentionally murder them. Apparently common sense is not your forte. And yet you come here and pretend to have some kind of superior intellect over the rest, and even dare admonish them for their opinions.
Jay, You are a frightened little man who lives in fear of your own making. Predating is not murder. Mankind is the only species that murders for no reason other than his own desires.
There was no proof these people were terrorists, but like most frightened people, assigning blame is the only way that you can justify your hatred and bigotry.
There are PLENTY of cases where we have murdered Muslims, and yes there are plenty of cases where Muslims have murdered American citizens.
The ACLU states that each case is supposed to be judged on its merits. People like you with the "Kill everyone who is not a white christian" are just as bad as the Nazis OR Militant Muslims.
Please seek counseling for your anger and hatred. I am thinking the cause is other than just that you don't like brown people.
Ad hominem is not going to work for the sake of you making the initial argument... you lost this one from the very beginning. I said cat and mouse.. you translated that into bigotry, hatred for anything non-white christian.. obviously you need to re-initiate your lack of reading skills all the way back from elementary school. As for counseling... I think it is obvious by now who needs it most. And it is not me.
Thank you, solex. I fully agree with you and just ignore these anti-intellectual lemmings here who only believe that might makes right. No government that is in the wrong should ever win a court case, including ours!
Ah, Solex.........can you explain to me how it is defending someone's rights when these people have openly declared war on you, me and the every other citizen of this great country? This is simply a case of spoiled milk on the part of the families. They raised boys who went bad and now are upset my the consequences that their children's actions brought upon the kids.
As for the ACLU, there is certainly injustice in the world. But doesnt it dilute their argument when they will take up the cause of anyone with a grip (no matter how inane or insane). Wouldnt be better and more constructive for this organization to pick battle s that did not turn it into a joke?
Really? Have you filed a lawsuit to prosecute the Taliban leaders whom had recently executed a weak and innocent girl in Afghanistan? If you can prove to the world that the ACLU could protect those innocent women in the middle east countries, I then will work for ACLU without pay for the rest of my life. By the way, where were the ACLU activists when Afghanistan was under the Taliban control and women had no rights to go to schools and were forced to work like slaves? When they really needed your protection but you guys just turned your back to them. Now you are talking like a savor. Lol, you guys are just a bunch of cowards.
The ACLU is nothing but another arm of the Islamic Agenda to destroy America from within. for all you know this solex might be another Taliban sympathizer sitting in Pakistan and posting on behalf of the cause of Islam.
Why is it that the ACLU only takes cases all the lawyers in the US turn down? Why is it when you think about all the lawyers that will sue over anything, the ACLU ends up with cases these lawyers turn down?
They always claim they are protecting our rights. An illegal imagrant has no rights in the US, but the ACLU is always protecting them under the "We are protecting your rights" banner.
I don't want them protecting anything of mine. If I have a real issue, there are plenty of real lawyers that will fall over themselves to represent me.
Don't let the name fool you, look up the history of the ACLU and you will be very shocked.
And just an FYI, he renounced his citizenship back in 2006 when he said "I no longer consider myself a US citizen".
ACLU = commie rat pinkos
Without searching on line, can you even tell me what the term "pinko" means?
Thought so, another dim bulb who hates any non-white, non-christian. A close minded fool who lives his life in fear and hatred.
It mus be sad to be so completely and unchangeably STUPID.
Again solex, I totally agree. Unfortunately, you can't talk these people out of their ignorance. It's obvious that very few of these people ever got past the 5th grade in school!
I wonder if Mr. Smell my finger (after finger banging his mullah) would hold a trial before blowing someone up.
And you are just another Islamic warrior pretending to be a American your posts are mostly pro Islamic. If you really want to fight for freedom then fight for women's rights in your religion first. and for the freedom of Muslims to change religion without repercussion from Islamic zealots.
Gotta love the arrogant ignorance of shrill fringe leftists like solex and her phony "Marine" pal.
Solex and Marine5484 this is for both of you.
First Solex, I personally believe that you truly don't understand that the War on Terror isn't just confined to Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States declared War on Terrorism worldwide. al-Awlaki was a Terroist, therefore and Enemy Combatant. The ACLU has no business in 'defending' the legal rights of a Terrorist, it's the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union, they should by working to defend wronged AMERICANS, not terrorists that want to Kill Americans.
Marine5484, you are supporting solex in all of this but I have to wonder with your handle did you ever serve in the Corps? I was US Army but was attached to 1st and 2nd MARDIV in Iraq, and have never met a US MARINE that supported a law suit against the US Government for killing Terrorists.
On his son being killed, IF he had nothing to do with terrorism then yes it is horrible that civilians are killed in War, but it is War, and like General Sherman said in the Civil War "War is Hell".
Here goes another right-wing idiot spewing out his ignorance of the ACLU. Idiots like this one above only believes in the laws of the jungle. In other words, he is totally Darwinistic and anti-intellectual like any Tea Partier is.
Just to aviod any confusion here, I was talking about Nobull4u above, the ignorant fool. I completely agree with solex, the ACLU and the rule of law whereas these right-wing, Darwinistic fools here only believe in the laws of the jungle!
The ACLU just shows how out of touch with reality they are – al queda is at war with the United States – therefore all enemy combatants are subject to being killed when found. End of story!
The ACLU's on;y mission is to protect the bill of rights – that's all. These were American citizens that were murdered by their own country with no due process. Also, we are NOT at war with anyone. Only congress can declare war.
They were terrorists not citizens in my book
Fortunately for humanity, your book doesn't mean squat. ALL CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS.
"solex
Fortunately for humanity, your book doesn't mean squat. ALL CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS."
That is funny. If so, have you filed a lawsuit to prosecute the Taliban leaders whom had recently executed a weak and innocent girl in Afghanistan? Yeah right.
If Anwar al awlaki was such a good citizen then why did he run away to Yemen when there was a Warrent for his arrest he was running away from due process and he what he deserved. what about the justice to the sailor who died in the bombings of the uss cole, bombings in Kenya etc. How about we sue anwars parents for the grief he caused to the families of those killed in those bombings.
Fortunately for Americans, al Awlaki and Khan got "due process" via a Hellfire missile.
Sue all you want. They're still a smear of greasy burnt meat on a Yemeni road and your lawyers can't bring 'em back.
We killed them, and we'd do it again.
Thus ever to traitors - and that includes the likes of Solex and the other treasonous leftists whining here.
So when Al Queda says they are at war, it's not real because congress didn't say so. Germany declared war on the US more then 2 months before congress declared war. That means the first few months of WWII against Germany were against the law.
Love your thinking.
It's really not cool for the President of the United States to order the execution of Americans (or anyone else, but most especially Americans) without trial. It's evil.
Capture or Kill, Capture or Kill was the order, same as with Osama Bin Laden. end of story ALL!!!!!!!
Bob,
Why don't you go over to afghanistan and arrest the terrorists yourself.
Just to clarify, Bob – you know that it would be virtually impossible to arrest these folks. So the government has 2 options – kill these clowns or allow them to continue planning mass murder.
Due process is great when the subject can be apprehended..............in this case – where apphension is not an option – what do you propose that the government do? Keep in mind that a failure to kill these folks could resulting the deaths of hundreds of people.....
ACLU loses another round in court.
I love you U.S
Drew your a wing nut.
Suck obama dick
Positive proof that the ACLU is an Anti-American Terrorist organization allied with Al-Qaeda! Everyone of those ACLU bleeding heart liberal slimes should be tried and convicted for TREASON! They can all live in GITMO with their Al-Qaeda buddies.
The only function of the ACLU is to protect the Bill of Rights. Period. They will protect the rights of ALL Americans, even skinheads who want to protest in Harlem.
It is YOUR dum hatred and racism that needs to go to Gitmo.
Have some more kool-aid, solex.
Hey! I'll bet Anwar al-Awlaki is very happy there in paradise, I'm sure it isn't as hot as the Yemeni desert. Maybe he gets a share of the virgins? Many religious converts get extreme... and after hearing, reading his speechs, Rest in pieces!
So he's an American citizen and his only crime is speech related... he's never killed or been proven to have killed anyone. Whether the US government ultimately decides they can assassinate people like this or not, they should at least have to thoroughly explain why in an open court subject to US law.
Let me also add that his son, also an American citizen who was killed without due process, isn't guilty of any crime under any interpretation of US law.
who cares! The religious people are so out of the minds, just shoot them all.
Yup. The President decides who will live and who will die because the President decided that's how it should be.
(That's EVIL!)
(That's Chicago)
Son you say you are innocent because you just hire a hit man to kill someone since you have no physical involvement of the killing? Yeah right.
So you say you are innocent because you just hire a hit man to kill someone since you have no physical involvement of the killing? Yeah right.
Wage war on the United States, or give aid and comfort to our enemies, and you are a legitimate target.
Right!
YA KNOW WHERE THE ACLU CAN GO???????YEAH THAT'S RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!AND THE SOONER THE BETTER!!!
Bentley you know they have their use but really lose their credibility with lawsuits such as these.
Wotta maroon!
Too bad those covert operations weren't directed at the ACLU.
Black kids refuse to learn aclu sues Michigan, terrorist killed aclu sues, isn't there a bounty on the ACLU.
Watch your mouth lame
You know it's good in principle that they bring attention to it. I would almost say put it on the back burner so the ACLU can focus their resources protecting Americans who don't hate America but then the CIA and military commanders would come to expect that. It's about keeping ourselves in check by focusing on the less important rights violations from time to time.
I have no problem with taking out any terrorist that is hell bent on killing Americans regardless of what citizenship they were born. My view, if you are an american and become a terrorist and want to plan and kill other Americans, you have given up your American citizenship and no longer have a home country.
As for the son being killed, why was he where he was?? Trying to be like Daddy? If so, not so innocent.
As for the ACLU, they are trying to make them be important, they never have been and never will be important, they are just a pimple that pops up now and then and who also should be destroyed. They serve no useful purpose in my book.
This issue and the ACLU should be thrown out of court.
I agree!!
Jimmy, what kind of crack you on? Anwar al- walki's best fate was to become fertilizer. May he rest in pieces.
What?? We can't defend ourselves now?? What will it be next?
It's just another way of continuing the fight against us.
Dismiss!!!!
You're right. This time they're trying to use our own rope to hang us. The ACLU is really misguided on this one.
So there are a couple of ways you could've headlined this article. The honest way, and then the way CNN chose. I'll let you figure out from the article whether or not the people on whose behalf the suit is brought were actually in Al Qaeda, or if they were THE UNDERAGE CHILDREN of people who were.
So what should we do when they bring their children with them specifically to make us look bad when we kill them? They hide behind children and you're going to blame us for those kids dying? Maybe you should refocus your criticism against the people who use their children as shields.
What???
Here is a man who is plotting to kill in the name of Allah, Americans, British, and even his own kind. Maybe we should have sent a ton of c4 and a hit list.
How do you kknow he is plaooting????? Got any proof ?????
When barry tries to go to Europe when he is out of office, he will face arrest for War Crimes. Like Dubya, he will have to stay in the US.
Actually W just got back from Africa doing charity work.
Well, you obviously know nothing. That's the end of anyone paying attention to what you say! Thanks for playing.
Why is everyone so unhappy? It's funny he was killed. It's funny what he was and funny he's dead. It's funny his family is suing for their murdering relative's rights.
HAHAHA they're funny.
The US government should feed all of the top brass of the ACLU to al Queda and the Taliban and see how humanely they are treated!
I'm likin it. Although perhaps we should take the lead counsel form the ACLU and the others and drop them by parachute into the tribal regions of Pakistan with t-shirts that say "Allah S_cks" and see how well they do when those guys violate their "rights". M_rons!
Everybody knows the ACLU is nothing more than a Communist front organization. I can not imagine anyone that doesn't know that!!
Commies?. Do your homework before you show your ignorance to something. Not knowing everything is ok.
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/e...s20040511.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools...s20060605.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/23445prs20060112.html
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/e...b19941231.html
http://www.aclu.org/police/forfeit/1...s20000323.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/comme...s20011113.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/comme...s20030423.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/cfr/1...s20050606.html
Your defending the ACLU with articles on the ACLU website. Hmmmm, that's like say "Hey, the KKK isn't so bad, just look at their website".... DUHHH!
Then why do they rate Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson as better than any of the other candidates?
Because Obama hasn't taken away our guns or outlawed Bibles in schools or gotten rid of nativity scenes on public property. You know, those things the ACLU specifically asked him to do.
from the ACLU'S website. Helping to protect conservative views. http://www.aclu.org/ordering-pizza
More examples of the ACLU protecting conservative issues.
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/e...s20040511.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools...s20060605.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/23445prs20060112.html
http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/e...b19941231.html
http://www.aclu.org/police/forfeit/1...s20000323.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/comme...s20011113.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/comme...s20030423.html
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/cfr/1...s20050606.html
You got supporting articles from the actual ACLU website? Yeah, the ACLU isn't biased toward themselves at all.
America and its use of drones shows scant regard forthe tradition of law.
What goes around...
The same Taliban who just shot a woman in cold blood (and does the same thing everyday) is crying for the US to stop drone attacks or they won't allow children to be vaccinated against polio. Apparently the drones strikes are hitting their terrorist targets and taking a heavy toll on those murderers. And you want us to stop? LOL. Whatever...
what do you expect from an organization who defends child molesters?
and it's your tax dollars hard at work.
The A.C.L.U. is funded through private donations and member dues only. No taxpayer money is used.
These two organizations are non governmental and not for profit. Aka they are not funded by US tax dollars
I'd like to use drones to take out the ACLU – what a ridiculous organization. Left wing, self loathing nuts.
Gee whiz Patrick, you took the words right out of my mouth!! We can't have have these nasty liberals running around, can we, can we? We both believe that Might makes right, we do, we do! Thank goodness that the M.I.C. is running things in Washington and can corrupt almost anybody with their limitless supply of money!
.. I really worry about the future of our country and the world our children will inherit from us ..
The fact that so many people have no idea what they're talking about on this thread:
Please learn:
What a US Citizen is
How one no longer becomes a citizen; e.g. how one "renounces" citizenship
What due process is
The Fifth Amendment,
The First Amendment
Do you know what the First Amendment allows? (Brandenburg v. Ohio) Promoting the violent overthrow of the government. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO.html
You "Americans" are so uninformed, it makes me sad for this country. Your ignorance and fake "patriotism" is how a US President can order the assassination of a US citizen whether that person is engaged in a war with ZERO evidence provided that any law was broken.
Unfortunately, the authoritarian US Citizens who need Uncle Sam's protection for some guy on YouTube. Thank goodness that the ACLU is out there trying to protect my rights from not being drone attacked. No one cares that terrorists are killed. The problem with just killing US Citizens with no oversight is that a President can now kill anyone they want and claim it was for your own good.
Now if a pretty little white girl driving a Ford with a rebel flag would get assassinated, then we'd have "merikans" actually caring about "their rights". Funny how fake "socialism" is ruining the country, but actual erosion of rights aren't. I guess we'll keep getting Bush and Obamas to destroy this country until China comes to collect on the bill for "fighting terrorists".
It's a war
It's a war
It's a war
You to simple that we haven't' in ALL WARS(including the revolution) didn't kill without prejudice traitorous citizens?
Funny, although I agree with your base arguments regarding the possible dangers of the policy involved here, I find your condescending and combative tone to be offensive enough to obscure any point you might have. I think, actually, this is one of the most serious issues we have to face in modern public discourse, the seeming need to attack, even at the cost of deteriorating the ability to have a civil conversation and reach reasonable conclusions. I have to agree with your name, it is sad when everyone is too angry and self righteous to be reasonable.
They are enemy combatants and should be considered spies.
When a group of renounced american terrorists blow your kids school bus up I would like your opinion then.
Do you ever get the feeling you're just a tad arrogant... and maybe just a little bit too condescending to others you don't happen to agree with?
So by your definition, who were fighting during the American Civil War??? Aliens???
right on ,dude ! glad to see SOMEONE has common sense.. a rare breed indeed.
Totally agree!!! There are soapy do
Ratio terrorists that openly wish harm on our country, where's the drone to kill them? Our global positioning technology is so advanced, they knew they were killing the kid. No reason to have harmed that child.
There are so many*
Ugh, stupid auto correct is killing me!!
domestic terrorists here I mean...
Lets sue the parents of Anwar al-Awlaki for his upbringing that caused harm to the U.S.
Good idea , Parents who raise this kind of kid should be responsible. they are crying because they feel their rights have been abused
Then let's sue the ACLU for 911 and all the ills Al-Qaeda has brought to the U.S.
When did we start giving terrorists known to enemys of the USA rights
1776
China should send drones into USA and destroy what USA built with there own money
You should give me your address so I can put a bullet between your eyes for supporting people that want American Citizens dead.
I'll be glad to help..
You must be one of those people who thinks China just gives us money out of the goodness of their heart and will one day ask for us repay them. I'm glad the world isn't as simple as your mind though. Look it up. Every cent we get from China is in return for something. They need us way more than we need them. Just because some of our stuff is made by their elderly, poor people in factories doesn't mean they own us. It means they need OUR money because without it, they'd collapse economically. Just wait. Give it 5 years.
Bob, I feel sorry for you, You are fortunate to live in Canada or the United states. I have been in five different countries and Canada or the United states is the place to be.
Please let's sue the parents for raising such stupid a$$hol3s. Pathetic. I'm a purebred liberal and I would like to p-nch the ACLU lawyers that started this. Gag me
Want to bet that if american citiens took out their vengence on the parents and family of these terrorists. That we wouldn't be given any consideration in a court of law. Even if our own family members died?
This is a difficult issue, as the current war on terror, as it relates to traditional military engagements, is just full of gray areas. I think reacting as if the ACLU is "on the side" of the cleric is not accurate. And I don't think there are many that would argue that, on some level, he didn't have it coming, with respect to rhetoric aimed at inflaming conflict in very public ways (Interesting side conversation- is rhetoric an act of war?). But the precedent being set here is a dangerous one, indeed. Although one of these particular individuals had a pretty high profile "reason to be silenced" as a supporter of an organization that we were engaged with militarily, the fact remains that, especially with regard to the two others beside the cleric, there is almost no transparency or accountability with respect to the targeting of these missions.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not sympathizing with anyone or anything here, nor am I trying to make any comment on this specific case. What I am saying is that it is a frightening concept to think that, in a rush of patriotism that is not always misplaced, we might be tacitly approving more and more, and deeper and deeper, operations where individuals and groups (whatever their affiliation or alleged behaviors) are killed in the name of America, quite without the awareness of the great majority of Americans.
Did these guys “deserve it”? Perhaps. But I am still glad that someone is out there raising flags to keep our part of the aggression in check (or at least under examination). If it was completely justified, then our military certainly has nothing to worry about. But giving a military or covert force (ANY military or covert force) the impression that they can kill with impunity anywhere in the world, without fear of even being questioned, is unquestionably (and even historically) a very dangerous slope, and certainly not in the spirit of the American system.
Some people that would not trust the government to calculate their taxes are somehow just fine with trusting the government to order executions without trial. How do you know those people executed really did anything? They could some day come for your family and then claim they are terrorists and who would be able to say otherwise?
So you want him to have a trial with the same system I'm sure you berate every chance you get? What if he goes free? Then kills someone. He already said he wants you dead! What else do you need? Just because a paper says he is technically still a citizen... Terrorists who are American citizens don't ever renounce their citizenship. Why? Because when we kill them, people flip out. It's a tactic against us.
I guess everyone here has seen the evidence against Anwar?
Forget the evidence, Barack told me it was true!
I've seen it.
They were found guilty of treason, terrorism and executed. Case closed.
They were never tried buddy, except in the court of public opinion.
So if you see a person about to kill another, you wait until he commits the act...and THEN give him a trial? You didn't hear his treasonous tirades? The rule of law is wonderful but our safety comes first. The hearsay of which you speak was well proven and confirmed.
No if you see someone about to kill someone you stop them, arrest them, and put them on trial to prove they did what you claim they did.
You want to try terrorists who are sitting there and flat out saying they want you dead? You want to give them a lawyer and put them in court? The same system I'm sure you rail against every chance you get? Ok... Dream on. I'm glad you hold no power. We'd all be dead.
Actually, if I see somebody about to kill somebody... I kill them first, it's what I've been trained to do.
Absolutely. The aclu are the treasonous ones. And they have lost ther minds.
I suppose if you thinking defending the 5th Amendment is treasonous.
The government asked the government if it is ok to kill a U.S. citizen and the government said yes.
That US citizen would kill you by sawing your head off with a dull knife if he had a chance. That's how he'd repay your support. Ever seen a video like that? Imagine pouring milk out of a milk jug turned sideways. That's how it looks when the blood spills from a neck after the front section of the neck is sawed open. I saw these videos during my time overseas in the military. That's your US citizen for you. Just because some paper says he is a citizen, doesn't mean we should wipe him out.
Of course it's not about the money. It's never about the money. Ha!
These coward civil rights groups have just betrayed humanity. We should have sent them to live with their beloved al Qaeda leaders so they can be stripped of their clothes and only allowed to wear TNT's on them all times.
I think you are missing the point. Our laws are important, they define who we are. If we just ignore the law in some cases then we go down the slippery slope towards tyrant. Obviously you don't understand that. This is not about the traitors Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. It is about the rule of law.
How ignorant some people (like you) are.
Not a lipery slope at all and nor should it be considered as such. And you obvioulsy cannot make a comment without calling names.
"I think you are missing the point. Our laws are important, they define who we are"
Yeah, using American laws to reason with the al Qaeda leaders? LOL, I didn't know that al Qaeda was so kind that they decided to bomb the Twin Towers in 1993, bombed the U.S Embassy in Yemen in 1998, USS Colt in 2000 and 3000+ innocent people in 2001. Yeah, they really listened to "INTERNATIONAL LAWS".
About that rule of law, shall we ask Obama, about all the czars he has appointed by going around that rule of law and congress, how about allowing illegals to remain in the United States no rule of law there, perhaps the word and definition of
Sedition would apply to all these fine upstanding men..
Had these so called Civil Rights lawyers/ activists ever sued the al Qaeda leaders for the death of 3,000+ innocent American people on 9/11/2001? Of course these coward civil rights groups were too afraid to even get close to al Qaeda leaders to ask them killing innocent people on 9/11/2001 and around the world.
Hopefully, the Al Qaeda's next target is the headquarters of ACLU.
If these terorists are the ACLU's new BFFs, DEPORT them all. Let them live ruled by the Taliban or other extremists groups and see how fast they would come back, tails between their legs. I hope you're right truthordare7!
At this point in time I do not know who was responsible for 9/11. One thing I do know is that steel framed skyscrapers do not fall in the exact manner of a controlled demolition and at the speed of gravity due only to burning office furnishings. Yet according to NIST this is exactly what brought down the 47 story World Trade Center Building 7 on the evening of 9/21/11. 1700+ architects and engineers are calling this an impossibility without explosives and are demanding a new investigation into this matter. Please join them at ae911truthdotorg
correction: Of course I meant to say 9/11/01
Ummm, there were not full beams that supported the floors. Check the archtech diagrams. These floors were supported by stubs from corners. Lets stress required to make them fail.
Seriously, how muder yucken stupid are you.
Yeah, like those sleeper cells being sent to train in the flying classes suddenly just disappeared in the U.S? Oops, the CIA must had kidnapped them and those American & United Airliners just falling from the sky? Do you even know why the al Qaeda decided to use American & United Airliners on 9/11 day? You don't even really understand the meaning of their mission on that particular day? Let me put it for you in this quote:
"United of America is calling 911"
Now, you got that???
You make it sound as if WTC7 was weak and of inferior design. If so why then would the FBI, CIA and a host of other important offices set up shop there? Mayor Rudy Giuliani's emergency bunker was even located on the 23rd floor. If you want to believe that small and scattered fires caused this building to collapse directly into the path of greatest resistance, and do so as quickly as if it were falling through air, that is your prerogative, but it is obvious you are the stupid one here, with no common sense whatsoever.
Grow up roger I also have a neighbor who also believes like you. there is always some guy with an opinion that is a little different but he is trying to make people think he is a little smarter than he really is,
I am not trying to come across as being smarter than anybody else. I am simply pointing out what should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. The laws of physics were suspended that day. If 9/11 was a false flag operation would you want to know it? Open your eyes and your mind and try to think for yourself. Go to ae911truth.org and just see what it is they are saying. You might actually come away with a different view.
"Had these so called Civil Rights lawyers/ activists ever sued the al Qaeda leaders for the death of 3,000+ innocent American people on 9/11/2001?"
How absurd. You just don't get it.
WELL PUT TOM
You know how you avoid being collateral damage? Don't stand next to a terrorist!
I wish the ACLU had gone over there and got themselves blown to hell too! I hope they don't receive tax money.
All you people who are against the ACLU must want to live under a dictatorship. I bet you'd love old Joe Stalin who would have sent the ALCU or anyone who spoke out, to the gulag.
You people make me sick. You have no clue about what it means to be American and no appreciation for the sacrifice in blood that has been made in the past to give you your freedom to write trash up here.
No tom
We want revenge
We want to win
You quite obviously don't give a yuk about who died.
You quite obviously don't care if more die.
You quite obviously do not want to win the war against who killed 3,000
Simple
Just shoot them in the face.
Wait! So I can hop on a plane from Oregon to Yeman. hook up with anti-american forces, hang out at their training camp, get wounded in a drone strike (allah *cough* will make sure I dont die) and sue the US government for bookoo bucks? SWEET!! I see a rich a s s paul2313 in the future.
Hope that they have a few drones assigned to the ACLU.
this guy was a traitor he should have been drug out into the street and executed
why didn't they file suit against the guy who ok'd the strike: Obama?
buncha political hypocrites...
ACLU – Openly admitted to be ""Affiliated with Terrorist Organizations.""
Mr. Holder , please do your job !!!
hihihi
The ACLU is a terrorist supporting treasonous organization. Ban them, sieze all assets, and arrest all members. Better yet, throw their sorry a**es against the wall and publically execute them as a warning to other terrorist sympathizers.
The ACLU is a well funded and powerful organization. I'm not aware of what portion of their funding comes from foreign vs domestic sources.
Yes lets ban anyone who does not speak the conservative talking points. Zieg Heil!
Sure. As long as we are wiping our a**es with the 5th Amendment, we might as well wipe our a**es with the 1st Amendment, too.
Jameel Jaffers, the ACLU deputy director? "Destroy America with American people and resources." Bin Laden.
Okay, if ti isn't about money, send the parents a checks for a buck with a post-it saying "Whoops. My bad." Case closed.
Like it or not, there is a very high likelihood of global warfare between radical Islam and the rest of the world sometime in the next century. My guess would be in the next 25 to 50 years. Lawsuits like this one only increase that likelihood. It contributes to the enemy's perception of us as weak and unfocused, and we are. You strike at a weak opponent, not a strong one. Application denied. Resubmit in 90 years.
What about the president? I bet Bush would have been included in the law suit.
OMG i dont get it, THE GUY WAS A TERRORIST THE PEOPLE HE ASSOCIATED WITH WERE TERRORISTS THEY WANTED TO KILL AMERICANS HERE AT HOME AND ABROAD HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. Its not like he would of showed mercy so why should we.
I love a good drone strike. I wish we had more of them!
Alright, ACLU=unamerican glad we finally got that sorted out. what next helping Jane Fonda sue the US for the vietnam war? I'm tired of extremist left-wingers, and right-wingers. Why can't people understand that an unbaised independent candidate is what's best for America. They are hard to find, just keep searching America!
Amen
Can we try Jane as a traitor?
Look into hos the ACLU represented Lt. Col Oliver North (and got him turned loose) and Rush Limbaugh (and kept him out of jail) before you denigrate them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/aclu-asks-court-protect-confidentiality-rush-limbaughs-medical-records
In a motion filed today, the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida said state law enforcement officers violated Rush Limbaugh's privacy rights by seizing the conservative radio talk show host's medical records as part of a criminal investigation involving alleged ""doctor-shopping.""
""While this case involves the right of Rush Limbaugh to maintain the privacy of his medical records, the precedent set in this case will impact the security of medical records and the privacy of the doctor-patient relationship of every person in Florida,"" said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida.
Completely legitimate. Care about rights , people .
They do not value our lives, why should we value theirs? Blow them all to Kingdom Come for all I care. Screw their rights.
@goodshot: Because we care about the Rule of Law. And we're better than them, and won't stoop to their level.
You're everything the founders of this country despised .
Let's sue Nasser then for the American deaths his son directly caused and contributed to. ...right after he f7@ks himself.
Denied. Next.
This is, by far, the most ridiculous of the the many frivolous and anti-American lawsuits the ACLU has filed on behalf of our enemies.
I used to respect the ACLU for their principled stands but this is latest case is a gimmick to keep them in the public sphere by being the proverbial gadfly. I shall not contribute to their cause any longer. Anwar and Samir took up the cause of our enemies. They shoudl have thrown themselves to the mercy of the US courts. They knew they stood accused of crimes against the US. They should have surrendered themselves at the nearest US consulate. They did not do so but instead carried on their activities against the state. Consequently they paid a price as did Al Awlaki's son.
Exactly, Anwar. Well stated.
In a democracy such as ours, I can definitely see the ned for an organization that helps the "little guy" to be able to successfully represent himself against "big guys" like the government, unfair laws, major corporations, etc. Democracies that rely on majority rules to determine its legal course have a tendency to leave minorities out in the cold, if that is what is currently popular. The ACLU's statement that "When the rights of the most vulnerable members of society are tread upon, we are all at risk" sounds very lofty, but in practice, they have become a catch-basin for all the riff-raff and terrorists in our society to try and wage frivolous legal battles against our own nation.
Nobody's rights were infringed upon. As soon as you take up a weapon aginst your own country, you are now an enemy combatant and subject to military action. That is only common sense....
OMFG!!!!! Are you freaking serious? The ACLU is suing the government for killing known Al-Queda members, whose actions directly led to the death of American service-members and civilians?!?!?!?!? They need to change the ACLU's designation to "sponsor for global terror". That is rekonkulous....
Well, the only good Towel Head IS a dead Towel Head. So what's the point? Hahahahahahahahahahaahaha
The government asked the government if it is ok to kill a U.S. citizen and the government said yes. This doesn't sound like a situation that requires any further legal attention at all.
PS I do think the government made the right decision. If a bank robber is going to kill a hostage the police can kill the robber to prevent harm to the citizen. This is a similar case but the only difference is geographical and the gun is not on the head of the citizen at the exact moment the robbers life ends. However, that doesn't mean the process by witch the government elects to use lethal force doesn't need better discretion and legal oversight.
When the government wants to off someone, they just need to say the magic 'terrorist' word and it becomes 'legal'. So much for justice and freedom, welcome to the People's Republic of America.
You are a freaking MORON. Go look up Anwar al-Awlaki, his son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and Samir Khan, on Wikipedia, and then fall on your sword....
Does the U.S. government not have the right to wage wars against enemies of our nation still? or would that offend liberals like you?
Unfreakingbelievable the stupidity among the American populace.....
Correct on all counts. In addition, we need to program a missile or two to hit some ALCU offices.
We live in a great country. Because every other MUSLIM country in the world have killed the terrorist Awlaki through The implementation of Sharia without a burp of protest. I commend my country and our president for having the balls to stop Al Qaida terrorists actively planning to kill innocent American citizens under the umbrella of extremist jihad. The parents of this terrorist should be ashamed for their support of his OVERT actions.
I'm not worried, nosiree bob! With all the money the people in the government has, they ought to be able to corrupt anybody, even a judge and jury and they probably will with the help of an already anti-Islam biased public!
Umm...these guys were planners for Al-Queda attacks on American civilians, you fool. Avoid paint chips, man, they are bad for you.
Much as I really despise those who were targeyed, the USA is a nation of laws. Under Darth Cheney and the Shrubbery, that concept was lost.
I'm interested, rose, when will exactly the current administration be responsible for its own actions. could you let us know? i would hate to blame one person for the actions of another. you know, several YEARS LATER.
The knobs come out again, it is Bush's fault. You need to look at when this occurred as well as all of the other laws and policies that have been but into practice.
That's old news they have been out of office for 3 years. his action the ACLU is taken happened under our current POTUS you know they guy you love who was NOT going to do what Bush did , except he is he is doing almost as much as Bush did except waterboarding. Still have GITMO , still using drones, and I say Great Mr. President
If you ride with outlaws, you die with outlaws.
I'm afraid that the fix is in, so to speak. I also know that it's politically correct to support our government in this case. In other words, I don't see how these two groups can win against the U.S. government. Besides, the M.I.C. most probably has a judge who's already bought and paid for!!!
George, don't be so pessimistic. The ACLU has won plenty of times, and several of them have been for the good of the country, The miranda decision was one of their shinning moments, it fundamentally changed law enforcement for the good. Instead of beating suspects into a confession they now have to inform them of their rights first.
Yes, but this is ridiculous. Terrorists get killed. We used to hang traitors. Now he just had to wonder what that loud buzzing sound was ...
american and others ar fighting againts islam bt god wil b wz us always
Oh, in case you didn't know, your "god" is actually Satan in a clever disguise. Your holiday eid al adha is a great sacrifice to demons.
That is why evil permeates your barbaric ranks.
Its your god which is Satan, that's why you guys steal others land and resources.
Like the way he is with Syrians right now?
I don't think the ACLU understands that in WAR, a trial is not necessary. He may have been an US citizen but he was fighting against the US.
So according to this logic, whenever we go to war, if an US citizen decides to fight for the other force then we have to have a trial to target or kill this person? Sounds like we are trying to make a grey area out of a black and white situation.
Lucas, when you are at war and a U.S. citizen takes up arms for the enemy, they are *automatically* stripped of their citizenship (no trial or conviction necessary), and they lose all protections afforded under our laws.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
Barry = Dubya = War Criminal
Do you even know what a "war criminal" actually is? Or are you just parroting some words you overheard?
He is the south end of a parrot
About time the ACLU brought this suit. Killing American citizens ought not to be done until they have had their trial and have been convicted. Not that I am sorry this terrorist is having a conversation with his god, but allowing the government to have a secret process in place that denies its citizens rights is simply wrong.
Because of these terrorists, the US gov overreacted and we now have, secret police, secret warrants, or no warrants at all, secret courts, and of course the list wouldn't be complete without secret prisons. Is this really what we want our country to have? Not me.
Good for the ACLU for standing up to the thugs in government.
For the rest of you who have no problem with this, remember your reaction when you or a family member dissappears.
andres seriously...hahahaha secret prisons and police. my advice would be not to openly support terrorism and move to pakistan to fight against the country in which you are a citizen of. If you don't do that then you will not get a J-DAM crammed down your throat. Everytime an American muslim extremist get killed by a drone an infantryman has one less bullet to use. Thank you CIA. lol
Anwar al- walki was not an American he was fighting for the enemy that makes him a traitor and eligible to be droned.
young marine. He was most certainly a us citizen. And if by some stroke of magic we wasn't then he could not be a traitor. US citizen fighting the US = traitor. Not a US citizen fighting the US Not a traitor.
Your logic is faulty.
Semantics Andres. Let me bottom line it for you .... Pick up a weapon against this country overseas and ya might get droned. Traitor or just plain enemy, you end up in the same box. ... Fire for effect.
andres
From the moment he picket up a weapon and declared himself at war with the US, it was game over. You are now a legal target and all your rights are null and void. Here, read the law
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
War........two organizations fighting for their causes. There is no assumption of citizenship in war you are left, right or impartial. He made a poor decision on the side he took, in which many American citizens did before him. Not to say that it was wrong of him to make that decision, it was his right to choose a side.
There were no special courts for American citizens that fought against the Allies during WWII. Those Americans that stood with Hitler, died with Hitler, no questions ask. Since, Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan wanted to stand by al-Qaeda they were killed by al-Qaeda.
ANDRES, neither myself nor any of my family will ever be caught overseas with an AK-47 and plotting terrorist attacks against the American civilian populace.
if you choose to share beds with terrorists and aid them, you can share a mass grave with the terrorists as well.
i dont know the specifics of this case but i do know what happens when there is no oversight of government actions.
So all we have to do is call it "justified" REALLY? And who DECIDES what is "justified"? As far as I'm concerned the Wall Street meltdown that cost America 11 TRILLION dollars justifies hunting down Financial Firm Executives and Employees and exterminating them without notice, recourse or judicial review- have we got Goldman Sachs on the drone hit list, too? Once you go down that road, you CAN'T go back...
Why the Occupy movement is no longer relevant, brought to you by, "PJ...."
Another attempt to make this dirty so called war equal, just and fair for everyone; even US traitors that fight with the enemy. Fight with the enemy and get killed or wounded? No worries, the ACLU and the CCR has got your back.
Enemy combatant are adult males who happen to be caught in the blast radius of the missile, as defined by Obama administration. Essentially, If we killed you, you are automatically guilty of terrorism, so no collateral damage.
Have you read about some of the things these 3 have been guilty of? Why are liberals so retarded?
Any American dealing with terrorist overseas is one thing, a target. A terrorist is a terrorist, it shouldn't matter what country he/she belongs too. If your a terrorist you have no rights. If you consort with terrorist then suffer their faith.
What do you mean? He has rights!! One part of him went right over there. His left foot went WAYYYY right. And I think they might have found part of his pancreas, wait ... spleen, ... mmm ... kidney? ... well, anyway, some gooey part landed right by the donkey, and we found 3 of his right fingers. ... 60% ain't bad ... No right leg though. I think that is still in the car.
The difficulty resides in who defines the terms. The particular instance of the cleric in this story is perhaps fairly clear cut. But there are a million shades of gray in the continuum of the term "terrorist" (which is often defined along the lines of "one who uses force to achieve political goals", a definition that looks a bit scary in the mirror), and some are not so clear cut. So, then, who decides? It is not at all an easy question.
So the ACLU basically backs up AQAP? Anwar was a national security threat, who tried MULTIPLE times to bring "jihad" to the US. Whats next? I bet the ACLU will file a suit for the Bin Laden Family. What sillyness. Good rids to you Anwar and the rest of your "brothers."
The ACLU would do well to remember that this guy was a TRAITOR. Traitors don't get a second chance.
Its about rule of law which is what our country is all about. Its not about the traitors. Why are people so dumb?
well terrories are not supposed to be alive.
So what is new? The ACLU was founded by 3 communist loving lawyers in 1925. They hate God and hate Democracy. they make lots of money trying to defeat American rights every chance they get. I say kill the Traitors if they carry out attacks on our Military or any U.S Citizen for their delusional religious beleifs....
You made that all up on the spot, or got it from Rush-o-fatso?
Terrorists are enemy combattants they want to kill us and we supprise them with a drone if you want kill us we will do you like we did OSAMA .
First i am Persian, but US is where my love is. This is so stupid if you fight against my country abroad by means of terroisum you shall be gone. His son was obviously in it to else what he was doing in with his father when he could have sit is ass her in USA. For ACLU you are out dated remember 9-11. His parents well consider he got express ticket to heaven! 🙂
Saeed's a momma's boy. He like's the "milk" from male camels best...
Thank you, FARI, and we are glad to have to here with us. Hopefully the future holds peace and liberty for both regions.
im laughing 1 usa soldier got killed today im laughing 3 isreali turist got blown up today what a great day the sun is shining high on the sky today.
Go back to the stone age, don't let your parents brainwash you with their ignorant mentality. Especially if you live in the USA or Britain, go back to your country if u hate civilized cultures. Go back to honor killings, killing in the name of allah, using women as slaves, etc......
says the representative of the "religion of peace"
Barry, like Dubya, will NOT be traveling to Europe after his term is up. He's a War Criminal now. Due process was not followed. Sorry.
Barry will be vilified on posters in future European peace marches.
Your little nicknames for presidents is annoying and absurd.
Keep typing, we're confirming your coordinates right now. The missiles should arrive momentarily...
Your English is bad, and your god you worship, Allah, is Satan in clever disguise. I feel sorry you belong to this evil cult.
Gods not real raghead
Huh?
Well, 1 U.S. soldier is worth you and all of your countrymen combined, so I guess you actually are coming out ahead. He actually had a future, and we thank him and his family for his sacrifice. No one will miss you but the goats ...
The sun "shines high" everyday in the middle-east, bonehead, regardless of how many terrorist cowards choose to blow themselves up in public marketplaces.
Your Allah is a pig.
ACLU and CCR obviously and openly support terrorism and those who are killing our military brothers and sisters in the Middle East. These people were terrorists way before they would consider themselves Americans.
If ACLU and CCR win this case, more jihad from US muslim will join the terrorist abroad because they have no job here, so are willing to die in drone strike and sue US government for big buck.
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Gee I thought just a little while ago that President Obama claimed that he was the only one that decided who would be killed by a drone. Sounds like the ACLU is sueing the wrong people.
Sounds like another redneckk FOX watcher. Wearing an NRA and KKlan badge too! And going to church, of course!
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