July 6th, 2012
07:00 PM ET

Allegations: American generals delayed Kabul hospital abuse probe

By Barbara Starr
CNN Pentagon Correspondent

Wounded Afghan soldiers, lying in dirty beds, with unchanged bandages and festering wounds. Some starving because their families have no money to pay for their food. Some beaten when they tell the staff they need pain medication. These are examples of alleged abuse that one Pentagon official described to CNN as "atrocities."

It is said to have happened in 2010 at the Afghan National Military Hospital in Kabul, a hospital in large part funded by the United States and a place where U.S. military personnel were training Afghan medical staff in how to properly treat patients.

It is those U.S. personnel who first brought the alleged abuse to light by taking photos and documenting what happened. Two years later, the United States insists conditions have dramatically improved after two investigations by the Pentagon's inspector general.

But for one man, that's not enough.

Schuyler Geller, a now-retired Air Force physician who ran much of the U.S. medical effort at the hospital, has written a 25-page memo to Congress detailing the abuse, as well as numerous cases in which Afghan staffers are alleged to have stolen drugs and supplies. Geller believes top U.S. military officers failed Afghanistan's war wounded.

That's perhaps bad enough, but another Geller allegation has grabbed the attention of some in Congress who say the Pentagon still has plenty to answer for.

Geller is alleging that two U.S. generals who knew of the problems delayed calling in Pentagon investigators for political reasons. "That's just not acceptable," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight subcommittee investigating the generals' alleged behavior.

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Geller alleges two senior American generals who oversaw Afghan training - Lt. Gen. William Caldwell and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary Patton - in 2010 delayed bringing in Pentagon investigators because of their political concerns over the looming mid-term elections in the United States.

Both Caldwell and Patton declined to comment but the Pentagon is looking into Geller's allegations.

Geller says that Caldwell was angry his staff wanted the inspector general to investigate and that Patton ordered a delay out of concern that the matter would embarrass the Obama White House.

"He says, 'But we don't want to put that request in right now because there is an upcoming general election and we wouldn't want this to leak out,'" Geller told CNN.

Chaffetz told CNN he wants answers from the Pentagon because the allegations about the generals "didn't come from just one high-ranking military official on the ground, it didn't come from just two, we have several of them who have stepped forward and said, 'yes, indeed, this was the case.'"

Geller, who now lives on a farm in rural eastern Tennessee with horses, chickens and several rescue dogs, says he is still tormented by what did - and did not - happen.

"Things as simple as dressing changes are not done, patients become infected and then die," he said. "There are patients that are starving to death because they can't buy the food, they have to bribe for food, they have to bribe for medicine."

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A senior Pentagon official told CNN there is no indication the White House knew of any of the alleged conversations. Geller says he was constantly told the problems at the hospital needed to be solved by the Afghans, not the U.S. training teams. He says he just wants the truth to come out.

"The biggest frustration is our own leadership's response how slow that was, how inadequate that was," he said.

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soundoff (289 Responses)

    Isn't this COL Schuyler Geller the same one who was reprimanded 4 months into his tour for being at an off limits establishment - something a teenage Soldier might try...not a "distinguished" COL and Doctor that was head of the program he is "whisltle blowing" on. Interesting how the media only researches and publishes one side of the story. BTW – the people Geller was with at the establishment were also top of line folks - a LTC that was cheating on his wife with a Major - LTC Michael Holmes...

    July 9, 2012 at 9:09 am | Reply
    • Bamagamma

      Typical... personal attacks .. who gives a flip about minor personal infractions when the man has stepped forward to expose a huge waste of life and capital? I swear your post sounds like some gossipy 12 year old girl wrote it. Is that you, POTUS?

      July 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Reply
  2. leukevent

    "Geller alleges two senior American generals who oversaw Afghan training – Lt. Gen. William Caldwell and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary Patton – in 2010 delayed bringing in Pentagon investigators because of their political concerns over the looming mid-term elections in the United States".

    Is Geller seeking to imply that the White House knew of and /or colluded with Generals Patton and Caldwell to keep a lid on the goings on at this Afghan run facility? Nether of these men report directly to the president or the White House for that matter and any reasons for them not to have reported complaints regarding the treatment of Afghan soldiers at an Afghan run facility to the Army Inspector Generals Office would have been entirely their own.

    Seems to me that Gellar is attempting to create a political firestorm out of this in an effort to harm the Obama administration 'just before a general presidential election'.

    Had he any guts and been faithful to his Hippocratic oath (afghan soldiers dying from infections related to unchanged dressings!) he would have written his '20 page memo to congress' back in 2010 and not two years after the fact!

    What Geller doesn't realize, that most people who know the demeanor of the President do, is that Obama cares 'too much' about people in general to let something like this continue on his watch, had he known about it and would have certainly taken action--even if only to preserve his own political stock, were he that kind of man!

    No, Obama is not George W. Bush and this is not Abu-Ghraib, though it would seem 'someone' might have us believe it so!

    I'd give it 10,000,000 to 1 that Geller is not a Democrat and have no doubt that the House Oversight Committee chairman and the rest of the Republican party are chomping at the bit!

    July 9, 2012 at 12:47 am | Reply
    • anna W

      he wrote the memo in 2010 learn how to read

      July 9, 2012 at 6:54 am | Reply
    • afgvet

      To this numb nut and all the other armchair quarterbacks out there who wish to disparrage COL Geller, I was there, on his team and he tried desperately to get this info out at the time. The people above him in the chain...hint-hint, they are in this story too...stopped him from doing it and basically marginalized him by the end of his tour. Geller didn't have a red phone marked 'president' on it to call.

      For those not in the military, there are ways to overtly reprimand an officer and ways to do it more subtly if you want to basically end their career or penalize without formally doing so. I'm sure the same is true in the private sector. That's what happens to whistleblowers much of the time and he was just another in a line of people that it happened to whether its in this war or other controversial events.

      July 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Reply
  3. Rick

    And then we have the current Governor of Florida that was fired as CEO of a huge heath care business. alleging he committed Fraud against Medicare for hundreds of millions of dollars. He then ran for Governor and nothing was ever done with him. He received tens of millions when he was fired. So I guess politics and money plays a lot as to who, how and when any action get taken. Normally a person would be persecuted right away but not the Republican Governor.

    July 8, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Reply
    • leukevent

      Yea, Rick Scott plead the 5th amendment 15 or more times during his testimony (on the grounds that his answers might serve to incriminate him in the fraud). How do you like that-–and he still received a majority of the votes and got the governorship--unbelievable--I say that because I'm a Floridian and would never vote for him!

      It's funny--Here you have this very rich, conservative, Tea-Party supported governor who rails against government spending and waste, who's company was found guilty of bilking 100's of millions of dollars from the US Government / US taxpayers and paid the largest fine in history to date, who himself may well have been been behind the fraud yet plead the 5th to protct his butt!

      His company was fined, as I said but he left there with a fortune! Unbeleivable that folks would vote for this man!

      July 9, 2012 at 1:06 am | Reply
  4. hermes96

    This is disturbing, because Lt. Gen. William Caldwell and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary Patton, could have just ordered up new drugs and supplies and order the US forces to make sure the patients were taken care of...and watch over the supplies to assure no more were stolen...Saying the Afghans needed to do it..just does not cut it...The locals have too much history, as a tribal socieity, too many old feuds still remain...It was the duty of Lt. Gen. William Caldwell and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary Patton, as officers of the US military to set in and correct the problem as soon as it was reported to them..

    July 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Reply
  5. Rick

    There are hospitals in the USA as bad as that. Esp in the Republican controlled Southern states. Most people cannot get health care and that is in our own country.

    July 8, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • Tyler Proctor

      Can't we somehow blame Bush for this?

      July 8, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
      • paulm5545

        Give them time. I'm sure they are working on it...

        July 8, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  6. RCCA

    I'm sure the hospital was billing the US govt. for the care of those patients, just not delivering the medicines and supplies. Selling them probably to the Taliban. What's the solution? Give them more money! And the UN warns us not to bother the Afghans with regulations which would address the corruption. Anyone else see something wrong with this picture?

    July 8, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Reply
    • Imminent

      The UN is an inept smoke and mirrors "military" force devoid of integrity, courage, and leadership. They couldn't so much as enforce a no-parking zone much less write a parking ticket. It isn't led by a humanitarian, it's led by an actor pretending to be one.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:12 am | Reply
  7. HZ

    ok, so liberal generals delayed investigation for concerns of embarrassing white house, and liberals blame "right wing thugs" for the action.....
    do liberals have NO SHAME?

    July 8, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Reply
    • biogreen2

      There are no 'liberal generals.'

      July 8, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Reply
  8. mema

    The lack of more outrage reflects poorly on our nation. Every significant atrocity and abuse of p©wer by our military during this war has been met with a luke warm reaction at best, or none at worse. The comment section has remained fairly stagnant. I see a r€ligous or a s€xual orrientation story and one can not keep up with comments. Our m©rals, v@lues, empathy for those outside our c©unty are met with a cold shoulder. It sadens me so...

    July 8, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Reply
  9. Jean Sartre

    I think I will just hold my venom, thoughts and feelings to myself for now, until the FACTS of the situation are determined and the blame, if there is any, is placed on the right people... Really, to do anything else, at this point, seems not only counterproductive, but also, nothing more than political bias and bipartisanship to rule the day...I do suspect that we are better than this...

    At the very

    July 8, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Reply
  10. Claudia, Houston, Tx

    Where were these Obama haters during the years of the hidden truth about Walter Reed Hospital, oh I know, placing the blame on Obama.

    July 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • Dave NY USA


      July 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Reply
  11. Joseph

    This is old news and only to empower Mitt and his Rich friends Shame on You CNN for this propaganda BS 2 years old story and this Hospital is working well now.. really who really cares about the people who would rather see us dead.

    July 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Reply
    • Phil in Oregon

      Wow. They delayed the investigation so it wouldn't interfere with an election and when it finally comes out it interferes with an election? If it makes Obama look bad, too bad.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  12. heroes

    just business, nothing personal, of maximizing profit at the expense of anyone in the way. the american way!

    July 8, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply
    • pfauenauge

      The US does no favours to anyone. hypocrits and liars all the way from the White House to the Senate and to the Congress. Liars and Thiefs in disguise of peace.

      July 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Reply
  13. heroes

    hey, our HEROES have been killing civilians and children, raping women, and looting the whole country, all for the love of peace and democracy, in our name, and on our dime!

    i can hardly wait to welcome these little munchkins of ours back home, with yellow ribbons and all!

    July 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Reply
    • IRONMAN2010

      If you would be man or wonan enough to say to to my or another soldiers face I would kick your teeth in. Think I'm kidding?

      July 8, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Reply
    • Action Jackson

      and I would be next in line.

      July 8, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Reply
    • SGT K

      Come on over to my house and say that to my face. You are a worthless POS who probably got told you weren't good enough for military service.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Reply
    • Zodnick

      You disgust me! I make a point to never go negative or put profanity in my posts. But your ill-informed comment is so vile and repugnant it makes my stomach turn. Regardless of your view on the war our American fighting forces have made a commitment to this country you obviously could never understand, they are the true heroes and deserve our utmost respect and appreciation. You sir or madame are not worthy to carry a bag of their poop.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Reply
  14. Keith

    The Chief of Staff of the Army should be fired and these 2 generals should be punished. I sure it will be pushed under the rug since they are Generals and will be able to retire with full benefits, but if this was enlisted soldier they would be in jail and be reduced to E-1. If a 3 star general did this then you know the CSA of the Army knew about. Every since Odierno took over the Army it has went down hill, he has no control over these officers.
    He is one to ignore the problems that are brought to his attention and instead let the peope below him handle it by sweeping under the rug, he needs to take full responsibility and address these issues within the ranks. Even when people ask for his help he never responds to the issues, my wife and I know first hand when we addressed issue with out son and nothing was done and it could have been a anoterh suicide waiting to happen, he ignored it.

    It really makes one wonder how many more problems are in Afghanistan that we do not know about and the officers are covering up. Out of sight out of mind. It's time to get out of that country.

    July 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      Was Oderino the CSA back in 2010 when this occurred? Get your facts straight before you go on a witch hunt.

      July 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Reply
  15. Carlos A. Garcia

    Wherever America is, only calamities. Americans, is time for you to pay attention at your problems at home and leave the rest of the world alone.

    July 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • JohnJohnson

      Whenever america does that then everybody complains that america should be doing more to help. There is no way america can win because either way the world is unhappy. Also the US will always retaliate when attacked (remember 9/11?) because the US has the most powerful army in the world, but armies are terrible at building nations

      July 8, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Reply
  16. Carlos

    Tragedies like this is a reason why we should never go to war. If we are lured into war, we should then fight it full force. Colleteral damage be damned. Then when it's over, we make this country another star on our flag. That way when we spend tax dollars to rebuild it, it is spent on American land.

    July 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Reply
  17. mema

    Shortthought...your a p@thetic excuse for a hum@n being. Turn a blind eye, its not the fault of pe©ple like you right?? Because after all you tried telling them. Y©ur pathetic. How could you $leep at night. Soundly Im sure. Di$gusting!

    July 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Reply
    • shortthought

      mema, have you been over there...i'd love to hear your plan of action on how you corrected all that was wrong with another country's treatment of people.

      July 9, 2012 at 12:02 am | Reply
  18. Ken

    Generals Caldwell and Patton acted in the typical left-wing, liberal Democrat tradition. They should both be put in prison along with that tyrant "King Obama" and the rest of the left-wing extremist Democrats that are ruining our great country. NOBAMA 2012.

    July 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Reply
    • Madrep1

      Patton was one of the greatest Generals of all time. Patton? Wow.

      July 8, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Reply
      • Madrep1

        Not this Patton tho

        July 8, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Ken

      If this was General George Patton, he would have squashed any left-wing liberal thinking and just have done whatever it took to straighten out the mess. He believed in winning, not in losing, and forget politics.

      July 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply
    • GJGVT

      Hello? Robert M. Gates, Republican, was in charge of the Pentagon during this whole process... somehow he's a liberal left-wing person? idiotic

      July 8, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • mema

      Ken..open your eyes. These types of stories have been comming out since this whole war started. During both administrations. These terrible injustices and hypocritical atrocities are due to failures by some in our military, as such, they need to own it.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  19. shortthought

    Guys, let's not forget this an Afghan run hospital. Yes we have training teams there trying to teach or mentor the hospital staff and workers but just because we advise them of something doesn't mean they listen. I was on a training team and these are some frustrations we faced...we see something wrong and we tell them the correct way but it's not our system to force the change.

    July 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  20. ForGoodOfAll

    Inexcusable behavior! May those involved in the mistreatment of wounded patients be punished harshly.

    July 8, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  21. Dean

    Folks trying to blame this on Obama are foolish for many reasons. There's a lot of chain of command between troops on the ground and the Commander in Chief. Soldiers are often asked to do more than they have the resources to do well and I won't go into the problems with military leadership.

    July 8, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • Madrep1

      Blamed Gitmo on Bush! What's the difference?

      July 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Reply
    • Me

      Seems to me that this is the American peoples' problem. They continue to let this war go on and on and do nothing to stop it. I thought the American government is "of the people, by the people and for the people." Of course, I'm being sarcastic. This only proves the regard for life that the Afghan people have…treating their own soldiers like this. So many Afghan soldiers, enemy combatants and terrorists have received better treatment in American facilities. I say, if we choose to go to war, we should go all out. If we are going to be called conquerors anyway, we might as well actually conquer something. Take the land and take care of the people. They obviously can't do it themselves.

      July 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Reply
  22. leukevent

    "Geller alleges two senior American generals who oversaw Afghan training – Lt. Gen. William Caldwell and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary Patton – in 2010 delayed bringing in Pentagon investigators because of their political concerns over the looming mid-term elections in the United States".

    Is Geller seeking to imply that the White House knew of and/or colluded with Generals Patton and Caldwell to keep a lid on the goings on at this Afghan run facility? Nether of these men report directly to the president or the White House for that matter and any reasons for them not to have reported complaints regarding the treatment of Afghan soldiers at an Afghan run facility to the Army Inspector Generals Office would have been entirely their own.

    Seems to me that Gellar is attempting to create a political firestorm out of this in an effort to harm the Obama administration 'just before a general presidential election'.

    Had he any guts and been faithful to his Hippocratic oath (afghan soldiers dying from infections related to unchanged dressings!) he would have written his '20 page memo to congress' back in 2010 and not two years after the fact!

    What Geller doesn't realize, that most people who know the demeanor of the President do, is that Obama cares 'too much' about people in general to let something like this to continue on his watch, had he known about it and would have certainly taken action--even if only to preserve his own political stock, were he that kind of man!

    No, Obama is not George W. Bush and this is not Abu-Ghraib, though it would seem 'someone' might have us believe it so!

    I'd give it 10,000,000 to 1 that Geller is not a Democrat and have no doubt that the House Oversight Committee chairman and the rest of the Republican party are chomping at the bit!

    July 8, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • John Coockale

      It's an uncivilized society. You can take the tribal goat herder out of the tribe, but you can't take the tribe out of the tribal goat herder. So they are going to do things like steal, and not help each other (even their own people). They are basically the most primitive that humanity has to offer.

      July 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
    • JC in Western U.S.

      I'd like to point out, for what it's worth, that Rep. Chaffetz, who is the Chair of the committee is a Tea Party Republican from Utah. I'm a Utahn too. I don't approve of 99% of his votes, because I'm a Democrat. But I don't think he's dishonest. And he is quite outspoken on issues where he thinks individuals have been mistreated. If a Republican is going to be in an oversight position on this, I'd just as soon it be Chaffetz. Issa would make a circus out of it. I think Chaffetz will do his job, wherever it takes him, even though he's been characterized as a "Romney pit bull" and Gingrich's campaign staff hated his guts. I would be surprised if he turned this into a political stunt.

      July 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Reply
  23. TNPatriot

    Dr Geller wasn't completely truthful about this whole thing, but as a member of the East Tn Tea Party I'm not surprised about the timing of this sudden consciousness. Col. Geller (yep the article failed to tell you that Geller was the Commanding Officer of the program) should lose his pension for failing to take the action as the Command Surgeon.
    As he was introduced at a DOD press conference in Sept 2010:
    "U.S. Air Force Colonel Schuyler K. Geller, command surgeon and commander, medical training advisory group at Camp
    Eggers, NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan/Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan."

    July 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
    • leukevent

      Thank you TNPatriot, you are a true American patriot in my mind. Kind Regards and spread the word ; )

      July 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      Thank you - while some whisteblowers are genuine; others have an axe to grind. This guy is probably among the latter....

      July 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Reply
    • SilverHair

      This jerk was too engrossed in himself to do something while on active duty. Poor excuse for an officer.

      July 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        I agree, and sadly it doesn't stop with them.. This happens stateside to our own as well. Our own wounded warriors.. many of them fall through the cracks or just plain get sub-standard care. (Often these officers find ways to eliminate the member from service with "force shaping" policy instead of rendering the care to them they so need. They turn their back on their own.

        July 9, 2012 at 2:44 am |
  24. jk

    Support our troops! Oh, wait, do we support the ones committing atrocities or the ones reporting them....

    July 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply
    • goat

      the ones causing them. the ones reporting them end up like private Manning!

      July 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  25. js

    Gien that it was an election year, the conversation probably went something like this:

    General, they're asking for an IG report on treatment of Afghan casualties in the host med units that we're training
    Why what's happening?
    They're being treated like S***t sir, and dying, they might as well be left on the field.
    Damn it, it's an election year, if the president hears about this he'll have my head
    what do we do?
    Delay the investigation until after the election, I'll deal with the president when he's less likely to fire me first and ask questions later.

    July 8, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
    • leukevent


      Having grown up in the military and being around a lot of military personell in my life I'd have to say you just about nailed it! Kudo's and what a laugh!

      July 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
      • Sunshine100

        I second that. Whistle-blowers in the military are mutually exclusive. For good reasons.

        July 8, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
      • goat

        you mean "good reasons" like Private Manning's?

        July 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  26. Eddie Haskell


    July 8, 2012 at 11:59 am | Reply
  27. sledge

    More garbage because of Chairman MaObama


    July 8, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
  28. Billy

    I wish to remind everyone about how after the US and some allies, first defeated the Taliban We turned over the prisoners to the new Govt of Afghanistan. They placed them into Large Shipping containers, indirect Afghan sunlight, and did not open them again untill they were dead. Are you surprised?

    July 8, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
    • Ken

      Your right. They were Taliban. They should have been put on their knees in the middle of a stadium full of people, and shot one by one, just like they did to all the women who dis-obeyed them by going to school or listening to music before we got there.

      July 8, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  29. daveinla

    Can you say "ARVN?"

    July 8, 2012 at 11:10 am | Reply
  30. no

    Have we not bested the Taliban and others in combat, time to return our children in the Armed Forces and allow them Afghani's to govern them selves . I would rather pray for them to have peace in their nation, when they are not doing the samething it is on them.

    July 8, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
  31. Russ

    Let me get this straight....Geller was so appalled by the Afghan health care system and bothered by the fact that two American generals waited until after the 2010 election was over before investigating that he decided to wait until the middle of the 2012 General Election campaign to write a 25 page letter to congress

    Does it smell like fish in here?

    July 8, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
  32. GJGVT

    Let's all be clear here, Robert M. Gates, Republican, appointed Dec 16, 2006 was the SecDef an in charge of the Pentagon during this entire process. Panetta did not take over until July of 2011... smoke that

    July 8, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • CJ

      Let's be clear, the Sec-Def does not call anyone into the Oval Office as the individual stated. Also the Sec-Def is appointed and was kept on by the present administration due to his handling of the military after taking over. While I would also agree that there is likely no way the oval office was actually informed of any of it, please if you are going to correct someone, please ensure you are correcting for the right thing.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:31 am | Reply
      • GJGVT

        no where in the original article does it say ANYTHING about the oval office, no where. Only Bill talks about the oval office in his fantasy world, which apparently you are part of.

        July 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • pfauenauge

      Panetta is about as ueful to peace as broom stick is in a lightning storm. He is just milking the sacred cow for his consulting firm and costing tax payers trillions. He looks like a train wrack ready for the senior citizen home.

      July 8, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  33. Rakdoc

    During my most recent combat tour in Afghanistan, one thing became very clear to myself and other medics; if your Afghan patients stayed in the ISAF health care system they lived, if they were sent to the host nation they died.

    July 8, 2012 at 10:02 am | Reply
    • Sunshine100

      As a nurse in one of my distant past careers, I bow to you. Fellow civilians, please note that these combat medics are so well trained and respected that most civilian medical doctors embrace them as near-colleagues. Certainly can understand your disgust for the primative "medical" Afghan system & hospitals and the US military leaders' complacency. Be well and I wish you all the best of the best for you and your family.

      July 8, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Reply
  34. bill

    Ask yourselves this question: WHO ......what one person.....is now, and was in 2010, in charge of the Pentagon?

    That one person would have been the one embarrassed by the massive losses in the mid-term elections, would he not?
    And that same one person is STILL in charge of the Pentagon today. So, he calls Panetta into the oval office and says, "You make sure my a** is protected, man! I didn't know anything about it! You got that?"

    July 8, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • rock woman

      It's amazing, the godlike powers ascribed to the "one man." Omniscient, all-powerful...pretty soon, we'll be hearing that he sees every sparrow that falls.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:11 am | Reply
      • You are part of the cause

        he is the Commander in chief silly – He IS the one that can call the order to stay silent. Just as he is the one that called the order to can that Marine who said something he did not like, etc. The BUCK does stop at the President's desk – because he IS the commander. duh

        July 8, 2012 at 11:40 am |
      • JC in Western U.S.

        I agree. Let's give Nixon all the blame for the My Lai massacre. Let's give Bush Sr. all the blame for the attack on the civilians slaughtered on the highway between Kuwait and Basra. Let's give Bush Jr. all the blame for Abu Ghraib. The hate for Obama knows no bounds, not even the bounds of sanity.

        July 8, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • GJGVT

      let's answer your question: Robert Gates, SecDef, 2006 – July 1, 2011, Republican

      July 8, 2012 at 10:12 am | Reply

      When you play politics, any side, you better cover your own, because everyone is fair game. Today Gates tomorrow Panetta, next day..

      July 8, 2012 at 10:34 am | Reply
    • bjorn stad

      you have quite an imagination bill, and a lot of erroneous information, maybe you should just keep it to yourself!

      July 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
  35. Reluctant Citizen

    Only a fool fights for the international bankers U.S. military-industrial-prison complex.

    July 8, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
  36. bill

    "A senior Pentagon official told CNN there is no indication the White House knew of any of the alleged conversations."

    That statement just confirms that Dr. Geller's allegations are true. The same Pentagon that delayed the investigation is now lightning quick to cover Obama's a**!

    July 8, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
  37. JAN

    my heart goes out to all the wounded Afghan soldiers. they should be treated with dignity and respect. i agree this is Afghanistans problem and they should all they can do to right this wrong and we are just as guilty for not reporting this is a timely manner;putting politics ahead of humanity. both Afghanistan and the US rely on their troops to protect and serve but both refuse to protect and serve their wounded troops.

    July 8, 2012 at 9:10 am | Reply
  38. Sheldon

    I did not know that you had to pay for your own food in a military hospital. War is hell.

    July 8, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
  39. Tired

    Stop wasting money and troops n Afghanistan, a nation of greedily, ungrateful criminals. They can solve their own problems with their own money and people. Now these ungrateful leeches are a "special ally", enough of Obama.

    July 8, 2012 at 8:25 am | Reply
    • slippery

      It's the military/industrial complex pushing to sell more hardware from congresses' favourite factories.

      July 8, 2012 at 8:48 am | Reply
    • Wes Scott

      If Bush had not illegally committed American troops to Afghanistan, then you would not be making irrational, biased statements like the one you just made. It is amazing how you conveniently overlook the truth and the facts in order to make a negative statement about Obama, who will continue to be our President for another 4 years.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
  40. Rozelle

    I guess my question would be how come CNN didn't get hold of this "leaked" information sooner and publish it? Were they afraid to interfere with the mid term elections and the turn-out for the Annointed One'too?

    July 8, 2012 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • Drama Queen

      My question would be why wouldn't FOX get a hold of this information sooner than CNN so they could spoil the election? Or are they really for the Anointed One and do what they to do make fools out of lemmings?

      July 8, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
      • Dan

        Fox News is for the liberals what Israel is for the palistinians.....just someone to blame things on. Its like asking all the idiots present to raise their hands. Drama Queen is holding her hand up the highest.

        July 8, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • GJGVT

      Silly, silly Dan... yeah, that's why we love Fox News, so we can blame them... thanks for the Sunday morning chuckle... of course, there was a republican in charge of the Pentagon until July of 2011, so ALL of this happened until Gate's watch, NOT Panetta's.... so where's your argument now?

      July 8, 2012 at 10:22 am | Reply
  41. DadCoach

    Government investigations are very detailed and follow a well thought out process to determine facts versus opinions like the retired Air Force officer. Any abuse is unfortunate, but this was an Afghan Military Hospital, not a US hospital. Not a US responsibility.

    July 8, 2012 at 7:28 am | Reply
    • roy

      Not an American hospital but the US was probably funding it and the money got wasted on something else.

      July 8, 2012 at 8:00 am | Reply
      • Fladabosco

        Did you read the article? We built the hospital and we are training the Afghani personnel. Obviously we aren't doing such a good job.

        July 8, 2012 at 8:57 am |
  42. Sagebrush Shorty

    Your tax dollars at work.

    July 8, 2012 at 7:03 am | Reply
  43. The_Mick

    The article dances around the reason the Afghan soldiers were mistreated, apparently wanting to keep that from the readers as much as the U.S. Generals wanted to keep the mistreatment quiet. The fact is they fight for the corrupt Karzai Government and are not respected. We're wasting time and throwing away American lives there.

    July 8, 2012 at 3:19 am | Reply
  44. bam

    Obama got Osama, primary MISSION ACCOMPLISHED time to go....

    July 8, 2012 at 2:27 am | Reply
  45. mmi16

    I thought the Kabul doctors were applying the GOP Health Plan to the Afghan soldiers – no pay, no service.

    July 8, 2012 at 2:07 am | Reply
    • bam

      they should try Romneycare mittens said it should be done in all nations

      July 8, 2012 at 2:27 am | Reply
    • Obama LOL

      I bet you will sure be angry when your boy loses. It's okay though because America will be winning. He is a miserable failure as President. The truth, when it comes out, will most likely reveal he was behind the security leaks and knew all about Fast and Furious. He always tries to use gimmicks instead of actual sound policy. He can't run on his record at all. Maybe with his base his record is okay because they believe he is holy and can do nothing wrong. The rest of the rational nation doesn't see it that way. We see it as a job interview and he forgot to bring his resume.

      July 8, 2012 at 5:57 am | Reply
      • Wes Scott

        After Obama is re-elected and trounces Romney I hope that you will join Ted Nugent!

        July 8, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • mb2010a

      GOP has no plan for health care, here or in Afghanistan for that matter. I predict mass suicides in the GOP ranks when they lose in November. They are going to lose control of the House and have massive losses in the Senate and they know it.
      Obama 2012. Clinton 2016 & 2020.

      July 8, 2012 at 8:46 am | Reply
  46. Al

    Not a big surprise to me. The higher you go, the more political it gets, and he more political it gets, the more you get paintings of stuff like rainbows and unicorns instead of getting the real picture .

    July 8, 2012 at 1:06 am | Reply
  47. SoCalMom

    And the fact that Geller is putting this out now, two years later.... well hmm, that seems rather politically timed as well. Politics sucks.

    July 8, 2012 at 12:31 am | Reply
  48. Thomas Henley

    I think it just goes to show the lack of quality partners politics breeds. Are the people running Afghanistan really the most competent and honest ones, or just the ones willing to take a subservient posture to an Occupying Force that showed up a decade ago and still hasn't left.

    I can't imagine working for a foreign power that violently invaded and occupied the United States, I wouldn't care how supposedly or presumed well intentioned that occupying power would be, just that they had robbed my nation of it's sovereignty and independence.

    So what kind of people would work for an occupying power? Crooks and opportunists, people more compelled by greed and personal ambition than the good of their own nation and it's independence.

    Karzai will probably still be President of Afghanistan 10 years from now, and we'll call his dictatorship a democracy for the benefit of our own vanity. The truth is from the despotic Shah of Iran right on up to Karzai we'll put anyone in power just as long as they are subservient to US Government goals and ambitions.

    This is sadly all to typical of the result of that for the people who actually live in those nations.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Reply
    • Obama LOL

      @Thomas- It is obvious you hate America and hope we fail. If you actually live here please feel free to leave. If you are Eurotrash please stay there while your entire world implodes.

      July 8, 2012 at 5:59 am | Reply
  49. Bobby Frank

    War is cruel children. This is why you never should be in a war cause there is some GOD AWFUL things that happen. As far as I am concerned the people that create wars will be held accountable by GOD ,so let's just leave it up to him and move on.

    July 7, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Reply
    • bam

      which god? the god that told the christian priests to declare Incas and Mayans to be heretics and to burn all their religious buildings and scriptures to torture and burn them? that one?

      July 8, 2012 at 2:29 am | Reply
      • James

        The gods of the Incas demanded human sacrifice; the God of the Christians does not. Big difference!

        July 8, 2012 at 2:55 am |
      • Obama LOL

        Another God basher, haha! You atheists crack me up. Someone can write a 5,000 word editorial and mention God one time and you freaks are all over it. You skim the real issues just so you can have your say that there is no God. Guess what? Nobody cares what you think. You make yourself look foolish saying things like this.

        July 8, 2012 at 6:01 am |
      • AB

        @Obama-LOL The atheists crack you up? You Obama haters do the same thing. No matter what the story, it's Obama's fault. Well heck, just look at your name.

        July 8, 2012 at 8:22 am |
      • Carlos

        " The gods of the Incas....demanded human sacrifice; the god of the christians did not."

        Someone forgot to tell Jesus this.

        July 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
      • musicloverbonnie

        Alas, the "Christian" God did require human sacrifice–that's their whole point. "Somebodie's got to bleed." So Jesus had to pay the blood sacrifice fee. Sunds pretty barbaric to me.

        July 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  50. HeloFlit

    If you have not been to that h e l hol you have no business yapping. Bleeding hearts cant fix people who are literally brainwashed. There is no hope for that mess.

    July 7, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Reply
    • gspot

      and you telling any human what they can yap about is ???????

      July 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Reply
      • HeloFlit

        You just showed your ignorance, Thank you!!!!!

        July 7, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Chaos

      Screw you. You have no monopoly on opinions. That you tried to assert one shows yours is nonsense anyway.

      July 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Reply
      • HeloFlit

        Your right, opinions are like a z z h o l s, most people have them......

        July 7, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  51. Wayne

    Senior military officers always have political agendas and learn early in life how to lie, cheat and steal to accomplish their goals. It is the political way. It is the American way. It is the way of any countries government officials. Surely there could not be anything wrong with that. Let it go. You cannot stop it. It is life.

    July 7, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  52. outawork

    Does this surprise anyone?

    July 7, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Reply
  53. Bob Ramos

    I am a Democrat but want these two Generals hauled before a congressional committee to answer for all of this. At the same table, I want the good doctor so he can tell us when the generals are lying.

    July 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Reply
    • outawork

      Most lightly each and every time they open their mouths.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Reply
    • bam

      or how about stop wasting money on Afghanistan and just leave.... and any politician that brings it up goes straight to gitmo

      July 8, 2012 at 2:30 am | Reply
  54. Dorkus

    More liberal lies, forget what you just read and move on. Thank you.

    Sincerely, the GOP (who are anxious to start another war and don't want anything bad said about the military just now)

    July 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  55. And these

    Are the types of commanding officers rampant throughout the US military. Not surprising one of them got fragged in Bragg a couple weeks ago.

    July 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  56. Mike500

    What do we expect of people who still live in the Middle Ages? They are a half step up from barbarians. To paraphrase Custer, nuke them all and let Allah sort them out.

    July 7, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Reply
  57. Leeroy :)

    BTW, there are regulations against speaking up in opposition to the Commander in Chief. Remember a General named MCrystal and others like him? And if you don't do what you're told, you are acused of disobeying a lawful order and your OER is written to end your career . . . and more. You do what you can within the limits of the regulations. You do what you can live with when you get home. Hopefully change will come of this for the people still in the hospitals there. It's a tough situation. If we pull our funds to the hospital, people die anyway. The trick is figuring out how to get our funds in the right people's hands. That is the challenge. But far too often we bolster the corrupt because he is in power and ignore the good guys who have no power. Sad situation.

    July 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply
    • Old Salt

      There is no regulation about speaking out against the Commander in Chief. Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Contempt Toward Officials, states “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.” Nothing prevents an officer from stating, "with all due respect, I disagree with the President." Enlisted personnel are under no such restriction. BTW, Cabinet Secretaries, other than Defense and Transportation, are fair game.

      July 8, 2012 at 1:34 am | Reply
  58. Leeroy :)

    This is yet another example of us going there unprepared to establish basic human moral values. We can't instill them in others if we don't have them ourselves. We'll never win hearts and minds like this. We might as well stay home. What a waste the last 10 years and 2 years of my life in Iraq were. 🙁

    July 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  59. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    You rightwingers hate Obama? Well, havent you all heard? The republican party has elected a candidate for president! His name is Mitt Romney! Hey, don't whine about Obama, now that you have an option you can go cast your vote for Mitt Romney to continue the very same failed Bush policies Obama is taking heat for not cleaning up!

    July 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
    • HWB

      You really need to get that left loon animal out of your a** and shove it off the earth.

      July 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Reply
      • ditdahdit

        What a piece of filth, and typical of your ilk, as well.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
      • Gerry evans

        HWB.. You are just plain disgusting trash. I doubt you know how to speak a decent conversation with out your prejudice showing through.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
      • HWB

        "Ditdahdit", Talk about fllth, read the filth prior to my response. Wake up and smell the gas from your a** and start telling the truth, the truth, not the Obama stretch.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
      • Old Salt

        HWB, you're a Republican. How would you ever recognize the truth? Surely you don't think you're hearing it from Congress or FAUX News.

        July 8, 2012 at 1:36 am |
  60. Rob

    The House GOP, studying Afghanistan's "You're On Your Own" healthcard system, lamented: "why didn't we think of this?"

    July 7, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Reply
  61. Rob

    Mitt Romney has just endorsed Afghanistan's "You're On Your Own" (acronym "YOYO") healthcare system, and he is now working on a proposal to bring this system home to the US.

    July 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Reply
  62. cbr

    The truth will be told and somehow it will be somewhere in the middle. If Dr. Geller felt things were being mishandled he needed to act then and act strongly. It is 2012 and this is just coming out – sorry everyone involved must take responsibility including the doctors.

    July 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  63. keith cossairt

    Obamacare pre=trials.

    July 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  64. Rob

    Gee, you're on your own, and you have to pay extreme, ransom/bribery prices for food, medicine and the most basic medical care – that sounds like the GOP's idea of a healthcare plan – when can we all sign up ????

    July 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Reply
    • M.R. Sanders

      You'll be singing a different tune when you have to start proving you have insurance to the IRS. If they don't like what you give them God help you.

      This is Mr. Obama's war. Imagine, though, if this happened under Bush's tenure. There would be riots in the streets and whining to high heaven. But since it's Obama's baby you will hear nothing not a whimper.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        If this happened under Bush's tenure there would be riots in the streets? Really? The f-ing twin towers came crashing down under Bush's era! The illegitimate Iraqi war that has taken thousands of American lives and a million Iraqi lives happened under Bush's watch! The Afghan war that was deliberately and recklessly abandoned and prolonged for the invasion of Iraq happened under Bush's watch! The current economic crisis happened under Bush's watch! So what the hell is your point moron?

        July 7, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
      • Gerry evans

        M.R. Sanders.. when did this become Obamas war. Seems to me it's been going on for 10 years, 6 of which belonged to "W", remember the W that started it by pulling troops to send to Iraq? For a president who caused so much damage to this country you RepubliCoNs sure do try to forget him.. But then I don't blame you for wanting to loose that loonie tune.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
      • Mac Qurashi

        You that now when you renew your car registration.

        July 7, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • HWB

      You are mistaken again. That is Obamacare you are referring too. Get it straight.

      July 7, 2012 at 6:55 pm | Reply
  65. Proud Vet

    What many are missing is the Afghans run the hospital. We might fund it but wouldn't it be the Afghan President who would be on the hook about the treatment of Afghan military personnel? Also who are the other military leaders? Also why didn't they bring this up to Sec. Gates as well? I guess know since Geller is retired and drawing his pension then his fine, but why didn't he speak up if it was such an outrageous issue when he was active duty? Sorry, but this smells to me.

    July 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Reply
    • Bill

      By our presence, we are responsible. We *chose* the responsibility of setting up a working, healthy infrastructure by invading and kicking out the existing government.

      If what we leave behind is corruption and abuse, then that is what we created.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Reply
      • spenteco

        Poor Bill, not enough sense to recognize the bs of a retired, East Tn. lil GOPer. This so-called doctor violated the 1st rule of medicine, do no harm. Instead this officer and gentleman waited 2 years, left the service, miraculously remembered atrocities happening on his watch, has a revelation about ethical behavior and has the audacity to blame 2 superiors for being too political to do something he would not do. He could have resigned his commission in protest, e-mailed his teabaggin' congressman, something except wait until he was safe and sound at home. What a true act of humanity. Think the good doctor loses any sleep at night?

        July 8, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • keith cossairt

      probably because of the proven track record of whistleblower persecution under the Obama admisnistration.
      it is widely reported that the Obama admin. tracks and hunts down all whistleblowers... read the news.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Reply
    • Leeroy :)

      Who said he didn't speak up while he was there? I know I did when I saw stuff like that. And I was considered a trouble maker. Too many leaders there were only interested in putting a dollar figure on their OER as a way of quantifying their success. We clearly missed to point of being there. We didn't teach many good American values; unfortunately. 🙁

      July 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Reply
      • scott

        We are Americans...its always about money...first and last.

        July 8, 2012 at 4:41 am |
    • Gerry evans

      This guy, like ALL republieCoNs, will spin anything to try to blame something/everything on President Obama. Certainly Karzi should be held responsible for what goes on in his country and IF all the things the media says about him, I doubt that he is above stealing the meds and food for his tribe of mad men. As someone above me said... nuke um all and let kingdom come sort it them all out but get us the hell outta there...

      July 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  66. Pete/Ark

    waited 'til he retired and his "hip-pocket orders " expired...NOW he finds his moral compass...4 months beore an election...go figure

    July 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Reply
    • Rob

      Mitt Romney, of course, has endorsed the Afghans' 'your on your own' healthcare system and his people are very busy drafting a similar plan for the US.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Reply
    • Brian Ritchey

      I can tell you are not a veteran. Freedom of speech does not exist in the military. He would have been crucified if he had done more.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Reply
      • Gerry evans

        Yah, Mr Ritchey.. PPL who work for private sector certainly don't understand government workers. Even government contractor employees are ordered under threat of loosing their job that they are not to speak for, endorse or promote controversy about their government contract employer or their business.. Even after retirement some military ppl are still under the gun (so to speak) But I do think this smells in its timing.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Leeroy :)

      Brian Ritchey is right. He might have sacrificed his career and his retirement pension if he spoke up too vigorously. Trust me, I know first hand. I was acused of disobeying a lawful order for speaking up. I'm awaiting the results of the promotion board to know if my career was perminantly damaged or not. 🙁

      July 7, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Reply
  67. Terry G

    Fire the generals who should have taken care of this. No retirement – just fire them = NOW!

    July 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    • TNPatriot

      Well, if the generals should lose their pensions, maybe Col. Geller (yep the article failed to tell you that Geller was the Commanding Officer of the program) should lose his pension for failing to take the action as the Command Surgeon.
      As he was introduced at a DOD press conference in Sept 2010:
      "U.S. Air Force Colonel Schuyler K. Geller, command surgeon and commander, medical training advisory group at Camp
      Eggers, NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan/Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan."

      July 7, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Reply
  68. hargrove

    Politicans are running the Afghanistan War, just like Vietnam. What a damn shame. Just let the generals make the decisions, not the 'commander in chief' who has no idea what combat is. TV DON'T COUNT obama. Advice:march across the land or get out. Care for the wounded soldier or get out. Does anyone have a moral compass?One is needed.

    July 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Well said hargrove.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      Another prime example as to why GWB and the GOP should be tried for war crimes against humanity!

      July 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
      • Gerry evans

        wheels....... to bad this page doesn't have a like button... cause I sure do like what you said...

        July 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • pkf

      Dude; you really need to look at the budget reports for VA spending.

      I'm a vet and I can tell you that Obama has made veteran's care a priority and there is a huge difference in the VA then what it was in 2008.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Reply
      • PaxHominibus

        pkf – Obama's "priorities" only last as long as people notice them. And as for his promises? Pffft!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Rob

      ROFL – yes, let's let the pentagon, which managed to lose $2.3 trillion, make all the decisions – I'm sure they'll do just fine.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Reply
  69. jimbo

    "Pentagon is looking into Geller's allegations."

    I think CNN misreported this. It should have read "Pentagon is looking into burying Geller's allegations."

    July 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
  70. Rude

    We sure exported democracy, HUH!

    July 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
    • Growing tired of being American

      What are we still doing there?

      July 7, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Reply
    • Gerry evans

      WE sure did !! Iraq is already falling down into the well, but then, we can't force a country and it's ppl to be free. And you can't force the leaders of those countries to lead their ppl out of the dark ages into the light. Their heritage is hate, greed, lies and corruption.. It will never happen there. IF there is an honest person elected the leaders of the corrupt will have whom ever it is killed. This country will pour billions/trillions into trying to MAKE them civil and it just won't happen.

      July 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Reply

    Pentagon IG, and said Generals are in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions of 1949

    July 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Well sure as heck, the Commander-in-Chief isn't going to deal with it since the Generals didn't want to upset HIS apllecart during the mid-terms! And everyone who COULD deal with it is in Obama's pocket anyway.

      I can't bear to think of the military being treated like that by their OWN. Makes you think about Gitmo – and how they treat alleged 'enemies'.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • Gerry evans

        Awwhhh.. Pax... Why don't you write a letter to Bush whining about this... See if he give a damn.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
      • scott

        Its not our people you moron...its the afghanis doing it to other Afghanis he is talking about. And you expect to understand the world when you cant read a story.

        July 8, 2012 at 5:00 am |
  72. NN

    The US military, both uniformed and civilian, is a vile corrupt cesspool. The whole department needs a major and radical overhaul, the approach of claiming to correct this and that specific problem will never work.

    July 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Since the Generals were afraid of 'upsetting' the White House during mid-terms the President should be replaced a Commander-in -Chief. And YES I agree with you the whole bunch should be put on trial.

      All the Obama and politicians snivelling about "Our glorious troops" means nothing! Those boys and girls re putting their lives on the line. The very LEAST the C-in-C and top brass can do is RESPECT them and take proper care of the wounded.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Reply
      • Corwin7

        You Special Conservatives aren't bright enough to read an article and get that these were Afgan soldiers and you want to be allowed to vote for president? No WONDER Fox news leads you around by your testicles...your illiterate.

        July 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
      • Gerry evans

        Perhaps some of the Repugliecons in Congress should try showing some respect to our military too (Duckworth/Walsh). OH but, I guess it's okay to be disrespectful of soldiers if their Democrat....

        July 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
      • HWB

        Corwin7. I am starting to smell you from my house. You really, really stink like a liberal baffoon. Time to put some vomit under your armpits and join the real world.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
      • HWB

        And Gerry you are right. 99% of those in the military are not democruts. They just fight to protect your right to spread lips and give short sighted opinions.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • PaxHominibus

      Sorry – I meant replaced as C-in-C

      July 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  73. RK


    July 7, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Obama cares about himself, front, back and centre. He is the "Ego-in-Chief" of America.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        This world would be better off if all republicans in America were dead!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
      • PaxHominibus

        Blah blah – What are they doing for a village idiot while you're on here? Muppet!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
      • HWB

        To " Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer ": You are a really dumb phuck aren't you???? People like you forget that in the 20's you were known as "commies". That word suddenly stinked and in the 30's and 40's you changed that to "socialist". Well as we got into the 50's and 60's that word fell out of favor and you jerks changed it to "liberals". Well excuse us, that word then fell out of vue and you and your cohorts began to call yourselfs "progressives" See where we are going with this? You and your kind have done nothing in America except change your stripes and name. All of you democruts need to go and go now while you still have legs to get out of American and let those that care do the proper job.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Rob

      Mitt Romney has just endorsed "YOYO", the Afghans' 'You're On Your Own' healthcare system and his staff is busy drafting legislation for a similar system in the US.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Reply
      • PaxHominibus

        And now Obama's stopped flip-flopping [AGAIN!] about ACA –
        "It is NOT a tax" – Sorry, I mispoke it might be a tax" – "Wait a minute SCOTUS says it IS a tax" – "Well I agree with them it is a tax" – "Hold on, it is maybe, definitely, possibly a tax" "Well let's just blame Romney anyway!"

        July 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  74. Joshua Ludd

    And then once they are out of the service, they will write tell-alls to make a quick buck and throw everyone else under the bus while claiming they were totally the good guy in all this and totally wanted to speak out, they swear... except that it might possibly damage their career just a tiny bit.

    July 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Reply
    • Robert E. Butler


      July 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Couldn't agree more. So will the miserable failure of a Commander-in-Chief.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      When all our service men and women are out of the service, they should pay Crawford Ranch a visit! Then they should go pay Rumsfeld, Cheyney and Rice a visit!

      July 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Reply
      • PaxHominibus

        Blah blah – Shut up you boring old f@rt! Yaaaawn!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
      • HWB

        God you are right. None of you or your friends in the Obama administration have served in the military. Could not possibly visit them. They are all liberals grats running America on theories.

        July 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  75. JustWho

    Just another too afraid to really make waves during active duty.

    July 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply
  76. acajunthatsagunin

    How convenient with the presidential election in full force these allegations come out. More likely another attempt to cause trouble for Obama. Where was Secretary Gates during all of this?

    July 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      I am quite confident that Obama and the lefties will claim no responsibility for this. Let's see who they blame this time.

      July 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        The last time I checked, the Afghan war was started and abandoned by GWB and the GOP! Go play with yourself moron!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
      • scott

        This is the greatest example of republican ignorance Ive ever seen. Half you people have no idea what the story even says...this is Afghnis abusing Afghanis...how does Obama control the Afghanis...you people dont rate recognition you are so stupid...do the Afghanis bear any responsibility...one hell of alot more than Obama...and we might not be here now if George the war hero had sent enough people in the first place to catch him instead of crawling in bed with the northern whatever who helped him leave...this was your presidents plan...he not only failed to catch Bin Laden he let him go!!!!!Talk about lack of political guts or just common stupidity...and then to set and listen to the likes of William and Paxhomnibus just making stuff up...and you want me to vote for one of you....I wouldnt wtake the time to spit on you liars.

        July 8, 2012 at 5:13 am |
    • PaxHominibus

      Someone ought to tell the "Commander-in-Chief" that the buck stops with him. Why did the Generals delay the investigationso that it wouldn't upset the WHITE HOUSE during the mid-terms? Notice – they didn't mention GOP they stipulated the W.H.
      Luckily Obama can't blame anyone else – he's the top of that particular tree!

      July 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        The last time I checked, the Afghan war was started and abandoned by GWB and the GOP! Everything that happens in Iraq and Afghanistan from here on out is their f-ing responsibility! Go jump off a f-ing bridge you confederate!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • scott

        you are just making a fool of yourself..my guess is you do that alot

        July 8, 2012 at 5:14 am |
  77. julio enrique cisneros banuelos lopez

    There have been more controversies/scandals and resulting coverups under this administration since....our last President Bush. lol...Obama knew about this, no doubt. Just like he knew about Fast and Furious. He did nothing to punish those in charge. We the people will hold all who drag "Americans" names through the mud, accountable in the next elections.

    July 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Reply
    • mfmaine

      Actually, it is highly unlikely that Obama knew about it.

      July 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Reply
      • Kevin

        Obama has no knowledge of anything...this or how to turn an economy around.

        July 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
      • mfmaine

        Mitt says HE can turn the economy around! He has a plan! It's a secret, though.

        July 7, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
      • Rob

        Mitt Romney not only knew about it, but has endorsed "YOYO", Afghanistan's "You're On Your Own" healthcare system and his people are drafting proposals to adopt a similar plan in the US.

        July 7, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • John

      "We the people will hold all who drag "Americans" names through the mud, accountable in the next elections."

      Excellent, sir! That means every single member of the Grand Old Party is out of a job and on the street where they belong.

      July 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      mfane – are you really that gullible? The Generals delayed the investigation because they didn't want to upset the WHITE HOUSE!
      You'd better believe they got the nod from the TOP, not to rock the boat during mid-terms. Afterall Obama IS C-in-C isn't he? And the buck stops with him. doesn't it? Use your brain – it aint rocket science – even for a liberal.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
      • Rob

        Actually, they wanted to give the GOP a chance to study Afghanistan's healthcare system – sure enough, Mitt Romney has now endorsed "YOYO" or "You're On Your Own" healthcare, and he is working on a similar plan for the US.

        July 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  78. Tom

    So the Afghani's steal the supplies and equipment meant for treatment of their war wounded and somehow this becomes the fault of the US?

    July 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Reply
    • nbgb

      Sounds like Vietnam. The S. Vietnamese "business" people steal the supplies and than sell it to whoever pays the highest. This is not new. same old, same old

      July 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
  79. snowdogg

    "Afghan National Military Hospital in Kabul, a hospital in large part funded by the United States"

    Yeah – like 99.999% U.S. dollars?

    July 7, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Reply
  80. brown

    Another example of the true nature of those in power.

    July 7, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
  81. 20011 Eyes

    Foreign countries that do not care about their own wounded military. What does that tell anyone about our U.S. tax dollars being wasted on wars with deceitful countries? This war has been going on for 10 years, so these problems didn't just start in the last 3 years. If the U.S. is funding the hospital, then the U.S. should be in charge of running the hospital, not just training the medical staff. Maybe the Generals should worry more about how our own wounded military are treated once they come home. What a political charade concerning these 2 wars, based on lies, while our country slides deeper into debt over this kind of repulsive manipulated unnecessary spending. Just a bunch of lying crooks in all phases of government, including the military big-heads. Guess they're all upset they won't be reaping in big bucks anymore with the war dead-line of 2014. Power and greed, the root of this country's downfall.

    July 7, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
    • Mac

      The US Military has killed millions of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan as well. Back home the economy is near collapse, morale in the military is at an all time low and who will bear the burden but the US public. Pathetic.

      July 7, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Reply
      • Robert E. Butler

        Millions? Got any credible citations for that?

        July 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
      • Mac

        The British Government Survey in Iraq made that quite clear.

        July 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        That is 1.2 million to be exact! The bombings in 2003 and the civil unrest caused when GWB and the GOP invaded and destabilized that country and the civilian deaths in Afghanistan has been tallied at 1.2 million and counting. Let's face it, GWB and the GOP are tyrants and the worst war criminals of the 21st century! They're worst than Adolph Hitler!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
      • HWB

        Mac I am confused??? Morale in the military is not at an all time low???? I cannot tell your mouth from your a**. Where do you make up facts??? Weikie, Looney Toon, Media Matter? Elementary school? Where, how do you make them up?

        July 7, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Mac

      HWB, Urinating on corpses, shooting 19 children in the head one by one, most military personnel want out, Afghans hate the US, all signs of low morale.

      July 8, 2012 at 3:17 am | Reply
      • HWB

        Wow several incidents and the whole US army is condemned. Well I just watch the Taliban jerks execute a 22 year old women by shoting her 9 times. Using your logic we really should nuke Afghanistan. After all they have low morale and kill women instead of jerking off.

        July 8, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  82. Prometheus

    Three points:

    1. Why is it when there is an actual and controversial news issue I have to "LOG IN TO POST"?

    2. Watch 'Hotel Rwanda' and 'Black Hawk down'.

    3. Why is this surprising?

    Take care!

    July 7, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  83. tony

    But the military is well known for supporting the right. So keeping the Army looking good apparently influenced the 2010 elections to the right. That was the actual result after all.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • William

      Thats kind of a stretch.....

      July 7, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      Tony – You don't even believe that yourself! The Generals were quite clear – they didn't want to upset the WHITE HOUSE; not the GOP; not the nation – the White House.
      And Obama is Commmander-in-Chief isn't he? Granted a fifth rate one but hey, he's the best you've got till November.

      July 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  84. PJ

    I could care less what happens in Kabul unless one of our soldiers is hurt. We must leave this pathetic country and let them fight it out for themselves. No Islamic country deserves our help.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:37 am | Reply
    • William

      The only time we should be in an Islamic country is to destroy them when they attack us then come home to a heros parade.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:41 am | Reply
  85. Zapperdon

    Gee isn't that nice of America – to have a hospital to treat all the innocent victims of their imperialistic war.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • William

      And i guess in your mind 9-11 was an inside job and the Government is contacting space aliens. Thats like saying WW2 was an imperialistic war. We were attacked then, then attacked again on 9-11. The problem is the Liberal notion that after a war we have to rebuild the country.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
      • mfmaine

        Actually, reconstruction is not exclusive to Liberals. History can be enlightening....check it out.

        July 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Matty13

      Imperialistic!!! Really, is that how far you have gone. Get back in your hole break out the bong.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
    • Mac

      No Islamic Governments were in any way involved in 9/11. That is a proven fact. Invading Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan etc has bankrupted the US and Europe. So take your racist myopic rubbish elsewhere. That dog don't bark anymore.

      July 7, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Reply
      • worldlypatriotusaveteran

        English-grammar correction: That dog "doesn't" bark anymore.

        July 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • Youguys R. Killinme

        Actually, the expression "that dog..." comes from the South, and therfore, using "don't" instead of "doesn't" actually sounds more authentic, grammar notwithstanding.

        July 7, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
      • Mac

        I was only quoting Herman Cain.Remember him??

        July 7, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
      • steve

        Actually, as an old Southerner, I recall the phrase as "That dog don't hunt". Google search: That dog doesn't hunt" 175k hits, "that dog don't hunt" 139k hits, "that dog don't bark" 36k hits.

        July 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Kevin

      Go occupy Wall Street, or Oakland, or Hades, you nihilist and anarchist.

      July 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
  86. umadbro?

    American military once again doing what it does best.. lying.

    Its amazing when the american people only see half stories of Afghani military personal going rogue and killing american and other afghani forces... hmmmmm now the american people have but a drip of the reasons they do turn.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
    • alf564

      Not lying, omitting

      July 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Reply
  87. Bill

    Root Cause:
    "There are patients that are starving to death because they can't buy the food, they have to bribe for food, they have to bribe for medicine."

    There is the real problem, and this crappy story glossing over of it is total FAIL. The conditions where reported, big shots waffled concerned over cya, whatever. That is normal. The real issue here is if it is possible or even desirable to attempt to change this underlying situation and how much MORE American money and effort is expended to do so. IMO zero. Get the hell out of this cesspit. If we need to we can come back and take it again in a week just like before. It has been demonstrated over and over we can win any war but cannot manage the resulting "peace". Leave, now.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:07 am | Reply
    • Zapperdon

      I think Vietnam is an example that America can not win any war. Also the war of 1812 you got your butts kicked and White House burnt down. So no, you should not assume you could win any war. There are many Countries that you could not beat Russia being the most obvious.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:25 am | Reply
      • Madrep1

        Zapperdon....try us! When a real war is declared...then we shall see. Not a political game...a real war.

        July 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  88. Manuel J.

    Obama is the Commander-in-Chief. Long story short, it happened under Obama's watch and, by default, is his fault.

    Of course, Obama won't take responsibility. He'll pawn it off on others.

    July 7, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply
    • vdavis

      so by your logic anything that happened under Bush's watch is/was his responsibility??? the debacle at Walter Reed Army Medical Center,9/11, the financial/banking/housing crisis???

      July 7, 2012 at 11:10 am | Reply
      • William

        If it wasnt Buses responsibility than the press and Liberals crucified him for it anyway. As for the Housing problem look no further than the Dems who pushed Freddy/Fanny to make those loans in the first place. Bush wrote two letters to the Dem Congress warning them but they said he was trying to keep lower class and blacks from owning homes.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • steven harnack

      So if Abu Grahab(sp), the Iraqi civilian massacres, etc, etc, are all Bush's fault then why is he not still in prison?

      July 7, 2012 at 11:35 am | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      The Afghan war was started and abandoned by GWB and the GOP! Go bang your sister confederate!

      July 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  89. Earnest T Bass

    Read the memo, We're already paying that country enough to remain friends with them. Let karzi change their bandages. God already left that country and so should we.

    July 7, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
  90. infidel83

    Um... no they dont care. And Im sure someone will find a political angle on this to blame both parties. Anyone who has been in the military an tell you once you start hitting a higher officer rank your career gets VERY political. I agree more should be done but its on the people of that country to ensure that their troops are taken care of as well, not 100% on us.

    July 7, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
    • William

      Exactly. And those of us who depend on the VA know what neglect is.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:34 am | Reply
  91. George Patton

    Another embarrassment for our indifferent generals in Afghanistan and another PR blunder. The right-wing thugs in Washington once again have egg on their faces!!! Don't these bozoes even care?

    July 7, 2012 at 1:48 am | Reply
    • American

      Sorry Pal, no right wing thugs this time. This happened under the watch of the Dictator Obama and his liberal left mob.

      July 7, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        First and foremost, you aint no f-ing American you un-American, un-patriotic confederate c@ck sucker! The Afghan war was started and abandoned by GWB and the GOP! Moron!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Manuel J.

      Last I heard, Obama is the Commander-in-Chief. Long story short, it happened under Obama's watch and, by default, is his fault.

      Of course, Obama won't take responsibility. He'll pawn it off on others.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:01 am | Reply
      • William

        It was Bushes fault. Maybe it was earthquakes or tsunamis. Tea party? Drought perhaps? No, Global Warming. Who will Obama blame next for his miserable governance? I am taking bets.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:32 am |
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        The last time I checked, the Afghan war was started and abandoned by GWB and the GOP! Confederate c@ck sucker!

        July 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • William

      I still have friends from my days working in DC. Since 2008 their has been a purge of competent warriors at the Pentagon. Those promoted are more skilled at setting up gay day celebrations than fighting wars.

      July 7, 2012 at 11:30 am | Reply
      • steven harnack

        Uh-oh, your repressed side is trying to force its way out of the closet! Thinking about gays occupies just too too much of your time.

        July 7, 2012 at 11:41 am |
      • Fearless Freep

        *** Those promoted are more skilled at setting up gay day celebrations than fighting wars.

        Maybe we will have less wars.

        July 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Nacho

      Obviously, "George Patton" is a made up name, not only because his stories lived two generations ago, but also because you have no freakin' clue what you are talking about with the military. Right wing? Do you not know that the Commander-in-Chief is the US President, a fierce left-wing liberal? Or maybe you're just acting like Obama and blaming crap on everybody else instead of accepting the blame.

      July 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Reply
      • ACS

        Obama is no "fierce left-wing liberal", he's to the right of Nixon and Reagan, for God's sake. Reagan is his hero. The only reason you see him as a "fierce liberal" is because the GOP and teabaggers have gone off the rails to the right.

        July 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • bam

        it is REALLY REALLY frustrating the 4 year gNOp campaign of BLAME OBAMA to try and make people forget about bush the DOLT has failed eh.... the only origination of obama blaming someone is from the gNOp blame obama campaign.
        We the People are not dumb like u... we know what bush did to this country, we know Obama has pulled this country ouf of the hole bush dropped it in and is still pulling it out of..... u can stop pretending bush didnt happen cuz it did it was BAD, really bad.

        July 8, 2012 at 2:26 am |
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