U.S. rejects requests for documents regarding targeted killings with drones
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June 21st, 2012
04:40 AM ET

U.S. rejects requests for documents regarding targeted killings with drones

By Pam Benson

The United States government is seeking to reject lawsuits demanding information about drone strikes that target suspected terrorists overseas, saying releasing details on the program would have a major effect on counterterrorism efforts.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit in New York after a Freedom of Information Act request they submitted to the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, and the CIA, was denied. The rights group is seeking the release of a copy of the memo outlining the Obama administration's program that targets suspected terrorists overseas.  The New York Times filed a related lawsuit.

In its response, the government asked for a summary judgment dismissing the complaints and defended its decision not to release the requested information.

“Even to describe the number and details of most of these documents would reveal information that could damage the government’s counterterrorism efforts,” the government said, further maintaining that refusal to disclose the information is consistent with exemptions in the Freedom of Information Act that permit the withholding of records when doing so is in the public interest.

The ACLU said the government's stance was "absurd."

"Senior officials have discussed it, both on the record and off. They have taken credit for its putative successes, professed it to be legal, and dismissed concerns about civilian casualties," said Jameel Jaffir, the ACLU's Deputy Legal Director.  "If they can make these claims to the media, they can answer requests under the Freedom of Information Act. The public is entitled to know more about the legal authority the administration is claiming and the way that the administration is using it."

The CIA and the Pentagon use unmanned aircraft to fire missiles at suspected al Qaeda members and other extremists. The controversial drone program started under the Bush administration following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the U.S. and targeted al Qaeda leaders hiding in ungoverned tribal areas of Pakistan.

The number of attacks escalated after President Barack Obama took office, becoming one of the primary tools in the administration's counterterrorism efforts

Administration officials claim al Qaeda's core leaders have been decimated in Pakistan by the drone strikes. And the attacks are now used more frequently to target suspected members of al Qaeda's affiliate in Yemen.

One of those killed in a Yemen strike was American born-cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. The U.S. says he was head of external operations for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and was linked to various plots including the so-called underwear bomber who attempted to blow up a U.S. airliner as it headed to Detroit on Christmas Day in 2009.

Human rights and civil liberty groups have criticized the drone program for its secrecy, saying the U.S. has failed to disclose details such as who is killed, how many civilians’ deaths have occurred and whether there have been investigations into wrongful killings. Questions include whether targeted killing violates the U.S. constitutional guarantee of due process as well as international law.

But the program has certainly become less secret. Although officials acknowledged the program in private, it was not discussed publicly.

That changed when Obama spoke about drone strikes during an online interview in January. In response to a question, he defended the attacks as being "precise, precision strikes against al Qaeda and their affiliates," and said the program is "kept on a very tight leash."

But the curtain really came down in April, when the president's counterterrorism adviser gave a speech providing the most extensive outline to date of the drone program.

“Yes, in full accordance with the law - and in order to prevent terrorist attacks on the United States and to save American lives - the United States government conducts targeted strikes against specific al Qaeda terrorists, sometimes using remotely piloted aircraft, often referred to publicly as drones," John Brennan said.

Brennan described what he called "the rigorous standards and process of review" when the administration considers a strike. But he did not provide any details about who has been killed, where drones are authorized to operate and civilian causalities.

The drone program remains classified despite the acknowledgment by the president and one of his chief aides.

The American Civil Liberties Union has another similar case pending in D.C. federal court, a challenge filed earlier than the one in New York.

In the D.C. case, the government invoked a judicial doctrine known as Glomar, which means the government claims it can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the program. The D.C. court is scheduled to hear arguments in the case in September.

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  1. jorge washinsen

    As far as pitting one organization againest the other ,which will you pick, or did you not lose someone on 9-11 or not see those buildings collapse?

    June 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
    • Bingasaurus

      I did watch the towers collapse. Then, I wondered, "Why did this happen?" unlike most Americans, apparently, who thought, "Let's git dem turrirists!"

      And after researching what happened in the 80s in Afghanistan with the Soviets, the CIA, and the US Government, I discovered that the US was the aggressor in this situation. We made our bed by leaving the Afghanis with a war-torn wreck of a country after letting them fight our wars for us, let the Taliban seize power and oppress the citizenry, and the stood slack-jawed and dumbfounded when we had to sleep in that bed when 9/11 happened.

      Go back to your Fox News, prole.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
    • gizmo

      Ok, I pick the ACLU...they are American Civil Liberties Union, all of which I like.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
    • Bingasaurus

      Oh, by the way – I was 16 when I did that. If I could do it at 16, surely you can learn a little basic history as an adult (assuming you are an adult).

      June 21, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
  2. Retro

    And so it begins...
    Those in power justifying their killings by quoting the greater good.
    History shows us that this never ends well for anyone.

    June 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
  3. BigRed

    Funny how people have no clue about the difference between military efforts to maintain national security, and those regarding the human rights and law enforcement. Fact is that with the exception of the continental United States and territories there is no other consideration of substance. Military operations and classified material is not subject to FOIA.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • Bingasaurus

      Funnier still how someone with no clue about the level of corruption in our government would think that they have nothing to hide by refusing virtually any FOIA request that they choose under the guise of "national security concerns."

      Except it's not funny at all, really. Just brutally pathetic that our citizenry has become so ignorant, apathetic, and anti-intellectual. Please crawl back to your TV, turn on Fox News, and wait for the incoming collapse.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
  4. Altee11

    Jameel Jaffir wants to give al Qaeda a look at the US' cards; all that will do is help al Qaeda and its supporters, as well as other criminal organizations and foreign enemies. Why does Jameel Jaffir seek to help them?

    June 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
  5. Whome

    Don't worry some idiot working in the program or in the military will sell the plans to our enemies.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
  6. george washinsen

    ACLU a kin to waking up in a sleeping bag while camping, and hearing your barking dog out side ,and you find a bear in the bed with you. Your choice.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  7. Dr Veruju

    Unfortunately the US government does not believe in US values and has abandoned habeas corpus.
    It even keeps secret mundane things like our trade negotiations, so much for the land of the free.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Reply
    • george washinsen

      Unfortunely we are fighing an enemy who values nothing ,especially innocent civilians ,including children in time of war.Not the first one in my lifetime either .Babies were stuck on the ends of bayonets in China by invading soldiers and paraded through the streets to make a point to the Chinese.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:57 pm | Reply
    • BigRed

      Habeas Corpus does not apply. Get over it.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
      • Bingasaurus

        "BigRed
        Habeas Corpus does not apply. Get over it."

        Said the fascist windbag to the true American patriot.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  8. BeingaMuslim

    As a Muslim and an American, I firmly believe that neither sides are winning this war. The terrorists are not following Islam the right way and the Armed Forces chose the wrong course of action in countering with the terrorists. I wish one day that all violence from both sides will end, but I guess human nature gets in the way. I hope Allah (God) will recognize these atrocities and end the violence. God bless followers and God bless America.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • jorge washinsen

      If there is but one higher power, which I do believe, It will be interesting when people get to the high place dragging severed heads and carrying mutilated children ,by the hair ,demanding their just reward. It is going to be interesting.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  9. JackRyan

    The DoD has a right to keep some of our military secrets secret. The same people filing lawsuts against the DoD for drone docs will likely defend Holder for not disclosing Fast and Furious docs. Typical ridiculous partisanship at its worst. My sons serve in the military. They don't need to be put at a higher risk because every ultra liberal out there suddenly thinks we all have a right and a need to post everything on Facebook. The information is of no value to the general public. To me this isn't a Democrat/Republican issue, it's a what's best for our national defense issue. Move on to your Facebook posts about how cute your kids are and how you farted this morning, nothing more to see here.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • Norm

      Poor confused Jack.
      You start by condemning this divisive partisanship, then your next breath accuses "ultra Liberals" for wanting to expose top secret government operations.
      You know....sort of the way the GOP is using the Fast and Furious issue for political gain.
      Stow it....ok?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
      • Louis Green Bay

        You mean our "transparent" government that Obama promised us is not transparent? I'm shocked.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • MartyGRMI

      We killed US citizens with a drone attack. We have a right to know.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
      • BigRed

        No. Actually you don't. That is all.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
      • Bingasaurus

        BigRed, please move to Iran or perhaps North Korea. I think their styles of government would be right up your alley and much more your style. It's a good thing when the government can do whatever it wants and keeps its citizens in the dark, right? We're all too stupid to deserve to know what our elected officials who are supposed to represent our interests are up to anyway.

        I mean, it's not like there's any historical precedent for people in positions of power becoming powermad and massively abusing that power to kill millions if innocents or anything.

        Oh, wait! There is that exact historical precedent, shown time and time again in dozens of countries throughout history across all parts of the world! But surely, it couldn't happen here, because we're AMURRICANS, GORRAM IT!!!!111

        June 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  10. Stewie

    I'm so glad there are so many cowards in the United States who fear terrorists and think the ACLU should be shut down.

    Your willingness to be subservient to authority as you grovel in fear for your lives will make my plan for world domination so much easier!

    June 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Adam

      I imagined the Stewie voice while I was reading that... it made it so much funnier!

      June 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
  11. ObammySucks

    Obama and Holder = Power Hungry Murderers

    June 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • Norm

      You ever consider they are withholding this information out of respect and to protect President Bush?
      No...probably not Foxtard...

      June 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
  12. concernedforliberty

    Drones are a two edged sword, they are very effective at reducing collateral damage and the deaths of innocents. They are very "cowardly" in the sense that the enemies cannot defend themselves (not that I am that worried about this but our enemies use it as propaganda)

    June 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Yet our enemy seems to think that women and children in public marketplaces are able to defend themselves from suicide bombers and IEDs?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Reply
    • really

      They do NOT reduce collateral damage (dead children). They reduce military deaths at the expense of collateral damage. A soldier with a rifle doesn't level the whole village or building (usually)

      June 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply
      • Spirit

        really – I'm pretty sure the drones' guided weapons reduce collateral damage with their small CEP. And when it comes to collateral damage? None is accepted other than in extreme cases where a TST (time-sensitive target) or HPT (high priority target) is in the vicinity of possible collateral damage concerns. Even then, there is a lot of debate beforehand as to the acceptable loss of life. And I'll admit to you, half the time when collateral damage concerns are struck, it was a mistake. We're not robots – we're all human.

        June 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • ugot2bkidden

      "cowardly?" So you go along with the civil war British. We should dress in bright red, stand in a line and walk down the middle of the road. The only cowards here are those that hide in their religious houses, in the neighborhoods of women and children, and hijack planes to use as weapons against civilians. WOW!

      June 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • Bingasaurus

        You people ARE all aware that we wronged the Afghanis before they wronged us, right?

        You do know that we used them as cannon fodder in a proxy war against the Soviet Union and then left them with a war-torn hellhole of a country when the Soviets burned or destroyed everything of value behind them in retreat, yes?

        And, of course, you surely know that we didn't give them money to rebuild their schools or infrastructure, creating a situation that was ripe for the picking for a militant, terroristic group like the Taliban/Al Qaeda to seize power?

        Have you fools ever considered any of these things? Were you even aware of them? Crack open a history book once in awhile if not.

        If, on the off chance, you already did know, then consider that we need to break the cycle of violence against each other, or it will continue forever, trading blows, an eye for an eye for all eternity, until we destroy our world and ourselves, simply because everyone feels wronged by the actions of corrupt politicians who have no humanity, and want nothing more than for you to lose yours so that they can send you willingly into a haze of bullets against our "enemies."

        June 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  13. Fr33th1nk3r

    While the ACLU's mission statement of "protecting the most vulnerable members of our society" sounds noble and honorable, in practice, they are a bunch of anti-American subversive lawyers who support anybody who has a grievance against our nation, our values, and our government, whether that grievance be valid or not. The NYT is the ACLU's comsummate yes-man.

    WHy would our government have to publish classified information about paramilitary operations designed to protect American lives? There was once a time in our nation's history when folks like the ones pushing this lawsuit were called "TRAITORS".

    June 21, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • narrowminded

      basically you are an idiot...apparently you havent been an american long enough to know that the real traitors is the US government. they lie to us straight to our faces, get exposed and no one is ever held accountable. 9/11, afghan war, iraqi war, providing arms to the drug cartels and rebel fighters and other countries that are at war or able to create war with our assistance...you sir are not a freethink but an absolutely asshat, just a sheep like the rest of the stupid americans. we are modern day slaves to our system, we work 3 months of the year to pay for the INTEREST on the loans of our government for these wars and stupid war mongering and fear tactics. im not afraid and i have my arms bared and ready...i know where my enemy is...he is right at home, its called the government and media. media is the biggest propaganda machine, and you all fall for it. sickening you are and every country knows we are just stupid barbaric simple people who is easily persuaded and controlled. welcome to the outside looking in, you pathetic sheeple.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
    • bozobucks

      I agree with you. I always wonder where do these traitors get their money from. I think the ACLU should be declared a terrorist organization that is trying to weaken the USA. Can't stand them!

      June 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • 4sanity

      Governments and secrecy and paramilitary operations are a dangerous, corrupting mix.To think otherwise is to close ones' eyes to history. The American Civil Liberties Union does one thing very effectively – it highlights and fights for our civil liberties – so that we are not subject to unchecked executive power and decisions made by faceless bureaucrats outside the rule of law.

      I have a real problem with American military forces launching drone strikes in "non-combat countries" when not actually engaged in active combat. This is state sponsored assassination pure and simple. To call it otherwise is like calling waterboarding an enhanced interrogation technique to fudge the fact it is torture. It's an insult to our rule of law and an abuse of human rights. The fact that American citizens are also being targeted is secondary but compounds the problems of these extrajudicial lethal actions.

      President Obama has my support on a lot of issues including going after terrorist cells.... but this tactic isn't one of them. It's yet another black stain on the American flag and its values. It might be effective in the short term but it's not a long term winning strategy.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
    • Bingasaurus

      A strange world we live in, indeed, where someone named "freethinker" is a closed-minded fool, and someone named "narrowminded" is aware of the reality of the situation.

      "Freethinker," would you like to know how to beat the terrorists? Continue on with our lives like nothing is any different. Fight back against them where you can, be ready to stand up for liberty and justice even if it costs you your life, and NEVER surrender the freedoms that make our country what it...well, honestly? What it used to be, and isn't anymore, because of cowardly rubbish like you.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • MartyGRMI

      Down with organization that fights for my rights as a citizen.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
  14. Give me liberty and to hell with the secrecy

    "Give me the liberty to know, to utter and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties." John Milton, Areopagitica, 1644

    "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty." Benjamin Franklin

    "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right and a desire to know." Pres. John Adams

    "The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of its people, and a people strong enough and well informed enough to maintain its sovereign control over its government." Pres. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Fireside Chat, 1938

    "The liberties of people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." Patrick Henry June 5, 1788

    June 21, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      One should note that ALL of the comments you posted, were arrogantly spoken from the "temporary security" of an era that did not have Muslim suicide bombers trying to blow up public marketplaces and public buildings.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
      • Larry

        One should note that they still apply today - perhaps more than ever.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Bingasaurus

      Fool. "Arrogantly spoken"? You're speaking about our founding fathers here, you traitorous coward. They had the might of the British Empire to worry about – how's that for terrorism? Even after they declared independence from the crown, they had to worry about trade embargoes, the British funding and arming of militants loyal to England, and the like.

      Go hide under your bedsheets – you're more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a Muslim terrorist (this is an actual verifiable fact, by the way – feel free to Google it if you don't believe me).

      The fact that we have "sold out" our freedoms for the illusion of security says it all. The terrorists already won, because "we" ("we" here meaning "cowards like yourself who value their personal safety above our country's liberty")have become terrified pseudofascists instead of truly free Americans. Why are you so horrified of something so statistically unlikely? Why are you so willing to give away your fundamental freedoms to people who clearly have no regard for you?

      Oh, right, because you're a fool and a coward. Please kindly move to a country more up your alley, like Iran or North Korea, perhaps. This one isn't for you.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
      • myron

        ummmm .... I see people quoting that stat all the time referencing concern over terrorist attacks. Doing this without giving any thought as to why the stat is so low. MAYBE because of such things as the drone program and all the other facets of the counter terrorist efforts than go on all the time ... which YOU have no idea about. People like you just sit around thinking that things just magically exist ... maybe the fairies are the ones keeping terrorist attacks on our shores from happening.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
      • Larry

        Well said. Fr33th1nk3r has his head in the sand and believe we can bomb our way into peace and security, when just the opposite is true.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
      • Norm

        Bing....Freethinker doesn't even live in the USA.
        So take what this foreigner says with a grain of salt.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • BigRed

      Thanks for publishing quotes that are all taken completely out of context and share no relevance to the matter at hand.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
      • Bingasaurus

        Thank you for being worth less than Hitler's toilet (and about as intelligent, to boot).

        June 21, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  15. Willie12345

    President Obama has now asked for the address of the ACLU headquarters.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Reply
    • Larry

      Why? So he can pass it on to Spike Lee?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
  16. WeDon'tMatter

    There are top secret government organizations who couldn't get that information so who the hell does the press and ACLU think they are? The press needs to quit being so stupid and the ACLU needs to worry about American civil liberties leave the international civil liberties to somebody else.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
  17. Justin

    We all agree that most of us have a lot more than most individuals in these middle' eastern countries right?? But at what expense their lives. Can you imagine your family sitting in your house and without a seconds notice it explodes and your children are laying there lifeless? This is inhumane and wrong.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Your analogy is flawed, friend. I corrected it for you: Imagine sitting in your living room with your family, RIGHT AFTER SHOOTING UP A PUBLIC MARKETPLACE WITH AK-47's, when a drone flies by and drops justice on your head?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Reply
      • BillD

        Thank you. You just saved me some typing

        June 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • Bingasaurus

        Yes, because no innocent civilian has ever been killed by a drone strike. Ever.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  18. DC Observer

    "One of the things that almost never works is secrecy – particularly secrecy in defense of dumbness." Newt Gingrich, former speaker of the House, 1996

    "The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings," Pres. John F. Kennedy, 1961

    "Secrecy and a free, democratic government don't mix." Pres. Harry Truman

    "The Bush administration has made secrecy, not sunshine, its default position." Sens. Patrick Leahy and Carl Levin, Restore America's Freedom of Information, 2003

    "Everybody knows that corruption thrives in secret places, and avoids public places, and we believe it a fair presumption that secrecy means impropriety." Pres. Woodrow Wilson

    "Secrecy is for losers." Sen. Patrick Moynihan

    "Secrecy, being an instrument of conspiracy, ought never to be the system of regular government." Jeremy Bentham

    "Secrecy has its place, but governments are always tempted to overuse the 'secret' stamp. When that happens, it can come at the cost of the public's stake in such other values as safety or clean air and water." Sens. Patrick Leahy and Carl Levin, Restore America's Freedom of Information, 2003

    June 21, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Reply
    • Ken

      Um, yeah...this is not the type of "secrecy" the ACLU is trying to subvert. FOIA is clear on this matter. The ACLU is just trying to cause more problems instead of tacklig real issues.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • Ken

        "tackling"...yes, a typo.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  19. Justin

    In the past, it would have never been announced that our Government utilizes drones with unmanned aircrafts. What ever happened to the judicial system?? Just because a guy kills a woman, do our government just send a drone to his house?? NO that would be illegal right?? They detain him and prosecute to the fullest. There are many more innocent lives that have been lost to these drones than non innocent. It is incompetent to think that our Government tells the truth, yet even cares about humanity. They just want me power over the middle east, and in due process it does not allow other superpowers to gain advantage. We need to stand up to this NOW people, our society is going in a very bad direction.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
  20. Janice

    The ACLU needs to go away! They do nothing but try to make us vulnerable and cause grief amonth the American people. I am proud of the Obama Administration for sticking to thier "guns" here (and I don't often say that).

    June 21, 2012 at 1:14 pm | Reply
  21. Vidyashanti

    ACLU – often acts silly. Go and ask for donars list from Republicans. They have no business knowing who are targeted by Drones. It must remain secret. Nothing is gain by knowing that.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
  22. WeDon'tMatter

    The press really needs to get a grip, requesting top secret information on operations while they are ongoing is what's absurd. Hell we still have operations that went on in Vietnam that are still sealed as top secret. Sounds like the entire press corps is trying to follow in the foot steps of that moron Geraldo Rivera.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • David

      Thank You!

      June 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  23. QuietStormX

    Come on people. I've seen Discovery programing on these "Drones" and what they are developing forward like what you might think of. And it's a continuing program and giving details on it is just dumb to me. I guess none of these people who want this info has never been in the services?

    June 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
    • LUCAS

      haha who do you think funded/made that movie and if it wasnt ifo facto the government it would still have to adhere to a certain broadcasting standard if they made a docu on drones. firstly the media is owned by something like 5 companies in the US, secondly people need to realise our leaders are not good men who are trying to help us. they are super rich, over whelmingly greedy men who are fighting terrorism to A make a lot of money and B control its populace. rebellion is coming, then you wont need the discovery channel to see drones because theyl be flying right over you

      June 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  24. JOSE0311USMC

    TOO LATE NOW. IS ALREADY OUT DUH.

    June 21, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
  25. SoulCatcher

    Satan, I must say I have your troll soul now in a glass jar.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Reply
  26. a question

    heres a question for the DoD on September 10th 2001 Donald Rumsfeld reported the DoD was missing about 3 TRILLION dollars. Where did the money go? Questions about this money vanished because of what happened the day after.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
    • Still Serving

      Better stop posting while on your meds until reality kicks back in.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      Without doubt, the most corrupt govt EVER. They say the land of the free. I fail to see that when the govt is hush hush about everything. Shameful how bad it's become. Once upon a time, America was seen as a great country. Now, it's hated and despised. I understand your patriotic but America isn't what it used to be by any means and there's no changing that.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
      • Adam

        It only seems that way because the world has become smaller. The US isn't going anywhere.. we do need to humble ourselves a little though.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
      • the doctor

        "Without doubt, the most corrupt govt EVER."

        WOW! You don't get out much and don't read much history, do you?

        June 21, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Adam

      Just to let you know... your El Camino is leaking oil, you might wanna get that checked out.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Reply
    • nosferatu

      Post proof of the report or it didn't exist.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  27. Joe

    ACLU are terrorists and need to be shut down

    June 21, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • Roger in Florida

      You clearly have no idea what the ACLU does. While I think they are wrong this time around and the court should turn them away. They are a important part of keeping us free. It is down right un-american not to be a card carrrying member

      June 21, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
      • rs1201

        I would agree with you but I just read the name of the director of the ACLU...jameer saffi...an arab...a muslim...perhaps even a pakistani...no way do I want the US to divulge any information to that potential traitor.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  28. Jason

    Drones are one of the few things that work against AQ and the Taliban. What I find funny is that populations that normally dump acid on faces and engage in honor killings all of the sudden don the mantle of human rights and due process when it comes to protecting militants and the drug money they provide.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Well stated.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply
  29. Reggie from LA

    I'm not very smart on these kinds of things, but I do know we have DOD, CIA and a National Security Agency. We can always hope they are acting in our best interest. They exist for our security. I don't believe they exist to be constantly accountable to everyone who FEELS that they are exercising indiscriminantly. The way that the US practices warfare (call it what it s) is by using surgical attacks for specific targets to minimize collateral casualties. There are no written guarantees that others won't be hurt (uhm, try to understand WAR), but our commanders do all possible to avoid harm to non-combatants. Remember USS Cole. Never forget the 3000 lost in 911. Terrorist cells MUST BE dismantled or more of us (and OUR children) will die. How much is being done by nations who host them and whose families are injured?

    June 21, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Reply
    • Felipe Lopez

      You must live in LA LA land.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Also very well stated. Felipe, folks might take your inane comments more seriously if you were actually able to come up with rebuttals that comprise more than one-liners and slogans.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
  30. Irishfae

    It's a US weapon. Why in the world should we hand out any info on our weapons, many of which are never discussed until we have something better to use. As to killing people in war, innocents die. End of story. How many people were innocent who died on 911. You cannot sanitized war and the people we are fighting are not some religious radicals, they are serial killers. If you hang around the enemies, you die with them.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
    • mjmeche

      Thank You LIKE , since there is no like or dislike

      June 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
    • Still Serving

      Fully agree on all counts!

      June 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
    • AngryJew

      You make Himmler proud my boy. Hoorah!

      June 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Reply
    • Devildog5711

      Yes, you are absolutely correct!

      June 21, 2012 at 1:07 pm | Reply
    • Emigdio

      Amen to that. When has war ever been precise?

      June 21, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • Norm

      That's right...
      These drones are the product of decades of research that started with all the N a z i s we hid from trial so we could use their weapon expertise.
      Shhhhhh....don't tell Israel...

      June 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • Spirit

      I can tell you that very few US weapons and very little of their details are even classified. Compare that to specs on other countries' weapons. I just wish the public knew that they can simply google most of the US inventory...

      June 21, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Reply
  31. AlongTheWay

    Too much clarity with the public is very bad. There are reasons why some of our agencies have Secret and Top Secret clearance levels (no matter exactly what those agencies label them). For all of the American public to know or to give a play-by-play in the media is not only stupid – it can be dangerous for enemies to know exactly what we are doing, where we are doing it, and when we are doing it.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Reply
  32. Joe

    I've been saying it for years: Drones are coming to a town near you. These things have the ability to assassinate with silence and from a distance where you don't even know they're there.

    Articles have been hitting the press how Americans "want" drones to fight crime.

    The Middle East is merely a dry run on populace control here in the States.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Reply
    • IBSmarterThanYouIs

      You think? I dunno, there has been major push back on that. I don't think that it's gonna be very cost effective to use drones for policing the US.. unless they are being used to catch escaped criminals or something. I don't think that using them to catch speeders is gonna fly (no pun intended). I think it's just another thing to feed the paranoia monster.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
      • nosferatu

        Cost effective? Really think that matters? Is TSA cost effective? How many terrorists have they caught?

        June 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
      • IBSmarterThanYouIs

        Ummmm... how many terrorist attacks have there been in the last 11 years?? Oh ya, they are completely useless though. You're right.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
      • Fr33th1nk3r

        Well, NOSFERATU, I seem to recall at least two recent incidents where the TSA apprehended Muslim kids on airlines who were wearing exploding underwear. Read the news much?

        June 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • nosferatu

        Post the stories. The TSA did NOT and HAS NOT caught a single terrorist.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      and how on earth do you think that will actually work? you think they will just fly around until they spot crime or something?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Reply
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @Joe
      These things have the ability to assassinate with silence and from a distance.
      There is nothing silent about a missile strike. Being fired from a drone or fired from an F-15… its makes the same boom.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        They can be fitted with highly accurate (and silent) gun system as well.. don't be fooled into thinking that all they do is "missiles" since this is what the article mentioned.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • theseconddavid

      Is it so radically different than a police helicopter? So they fly a drone over the high speed chase instead of a helicopter, big deal.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
      • IBSmarterThanYouIs

        Ya, I think people have irrational fears about this. They are thinking that drones are going to be used in monitoring "everything". Like I said before, it's paranoia.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • DougCollins

      I think you are over stating their abilities. Looks like most of these drone strikes are done with a shotgum effect. But with the DoD claiming they are precise and ignoring the innocent that are murderd. maybe that's what coming to a town near all of us.
      It's all about money and a larger government. just one run by cowards..

      June 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
      • JustBeingSmart

        The US figured out a way to strike the enemy while minimizing risk to its own troops. That should be the goal of any military. The Americans did it to the English during the revolution, the Vietnamese did it to the Americans and now we are using drones to hit terrorists... seems like intelligent warfare to me. Like Mr. Miyagi said "Best block, no be there"

        June 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Somebody needs to stop watchign the Terminator movies. Everybody run! SKYNET is coming!!!! ...or at least that is what liberals will try to tell you.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Norm

      "Assasinate with silence"???
      They take out a whole neighborhood when they drop their payload.
      I think someone is going to hear that.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • Spirit

      Joe – Hehe... one of our most notorious drones, the MQ-1, sounds like a snowmobile. And its weapons? Look it up on google. They have nothing else to hide as far as what they employ. Also, something funny to note, a Hellfire can be heard just a fraction of a second before it hits the intended target. Hence, why some targets look like they're about ready to hoof it before they die.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Reply
  33. foxtrot5

    I have relatives serving in Afghan right now,

    Long live Drones, we need 'em every night
    Long live Drones, get 'em in the fight.
    Long live Drones, make 'em Dead not alive.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
    • nosferatu

      I gues poetry isn't your's or their forte?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
    • DougCollins

      you should tell you relatives to come home. they are not needed there anymore. Unless thay can't get a job elsewhere. then I hope they cover their heads and pray.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Reply
    • CW

      Pathetic. A true soldier doesn't kill indiscriminately from 30,000 ft.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Reply
      • KC Bob

        Your kidding right??? A true soldier (or at least an intelligent one) never fights fair, always takes any advantage they can get, and always tries to attack from a position of strength. The fact that americans are not being placed in harms way is just double prizes.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Norm

      "Make em dead not alive"
      LOL....Foxtards are so ignorant.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Reply
  34. Devildog5711

    ACLU is a bunch of idiots, why don't we just give them all of our secret attack plans so they can share them with "The Enemy"! again, IDIOTS!

    June 21, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Reply
    • Ron

      Until the drones come for you or your family.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:40 pm | Reply
    • David

      They should give us the information because they work for us and we pay the bills. We are not the enemy!

      June 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm | Reply
      • Norm

        Ok....I still wouldn't trust you not to sell that info to our enemies.
        There are so many greedy conservatives in this country.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  35. Roger Ogilvy Thornhill

    Better get Darrell Issa on it right away.

    June 21, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Reply
  36. wolf776

    Sounds like the ACLU wants to put Wikileaks out of business

    June 21, 2012 at 11:58 am | Reply
  37. iBod

    These are the same precise and accurate puppies that killed dozens of top commanders to Al-Qaeda. The ACLU will get their answers, but in a discreet, need-to-know basis. This is a matter of National Security, and I nor does anybody else who is not working at the Executive Branch of our Government need to know everything about the inner workings of our drones. That simple. Sit down, shut up, and have a nice day.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
  38. Adam

    Peasants? Is this the 12th century? No, we are just not taking you seriously anymore because all you spew is hate and ignorance. And I'm pretty sure you're a little kid who doesn't know anything anyway.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:53 am | Reply
    • IBSmarterThanYouIs

      Meant for somebody else??

      June 21, 2012 at 11:54 am | Reply
      • Adam

        ummmmm... ya.... doh

        June 21, 2012 at 11:55 am |
      • IBSmarterThanYouIs

        haha.. it's cool, I follow you.. doesn't make it less true.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  39. PXL

    Jamis said:
    "FACT – The United States has not issued an official declaration of war...so we are not at war. We are just blowing up people and places with zero accountability."

    FACT – US President Bush used the phrase 'War on Terror' to denote a global military, political and legal campaign against terrorist organizations and governments accused of having a connection to them.
    FACT – The military issue the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal to military service members who have performed service in the War on Terror from September 11, 2001 to a date to be determined.
    FACT – More of 6,280 service members death from 2001 to this date.
    If is not a war, what it is? Maybe Bush forgot sent an email or twitter to Bin Laden to "officially" declare a war. Or maybe when you invade two countries the soldiers call that camping or day trip.
    FACT – Maybe you thing that we (you are not include in the we) can't win because you do not serve your country.
    FACT – 38% of the US military is brown people
    FACT – the US military is a 100% voluntary force that does not quit so easily (they are not like you)
    FACT – I know that there bad apples in the military but most of them are fathers, mothers, sons and daugthers that do not see they families during deployments (6 months to 15 months)
    FACT – You are an arrogant that is more worried about the people that kill our soldiers that of the US citizen that die in the hands of terrorist.
    If you are worried about money, why do not enter in the military, serve you country and stop to complain?

    June 21, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
    • IBSmarterThanYouIs

      Man... I don't know what half of that means, but I LIKE IT! You go boy!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:37 am | Reply
      • nosferatu

        Ahhh, yeah, spoken like a true redneck.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

        @nosferatu
        Yea.. because “you go boy’ is a such a redneck term. Maybe you misread that as “get er done”. Ive read a number of your posts and so far you are very unimpressive.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • nosferatu

        Ahhhh, tommyboy, "i don't know what you mean but i like it..." yeah, that's a good post to take sides with.

        Hahahaha.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Jamis

      I spent 4 years in the sandbox during Desert Storm and have seen things you only think you know from watching movies while you stuff your face with candy made from Frankenfood, drive your fuel devouring SUV home, and pray to god above that me and so many others are here to keep you safe from the boogeyman.

      Why don't you step back son, and let the adults finish their conversation.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
      • IBSmarterThanYouIs

        Thanks for your service. Respectfully, Desert Storm was a different war though.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:45 am |
      • PXL

        I am puertorican and maybe I have issues with my english. But:
        1. I did two deployments to Iraq (one of 15 months and the other of 12 months)
        2. Because my first unit was in Germany I only saw my wife and son for 15 days (R&R) in a period of two years.
        3. Desert Storm combat operations lasted 7 months, maybe the other 3 years you was playing beach volleyball in Kuwait.
        4. I have seven years in the Army and you are lying, you do not have any military experience.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:59 am |
      • nosferatu

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I used to walk to school uphill both ways in waist deep snow.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • JMAN

      Freedom of the press will eventually cause us our freedom.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
    • David

      Killing people in other countries is not the only way to serve the nation.

      June 21, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply
      • Fr33th1nk3r

        Except when those people are actively working around the clock to kill YOU, moron.

        June 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
      • Norm

        Freethinker....stop being insulting or I'll have to go through and flag every one of your posts and I really don't have time right now to do that.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Norm

      This is an American matter not open to global debate.
      Run that through Google translator and see what it says.

      June 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Reply
  40. what?

    I didn't bother reading the article. They obvious don't know what they are talking about when describing the picture above... I see a smart bomb, how about you?

    June 21, 2012 at 11:11 am | Reply
    • Knightyogi

      I see an AGM-114 hellfire missile

      June 21, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • Spirit

      I see a hellfire too. Looks powered to me. It isn't a GBU-38, I'm sure.

      June 21, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Reply
  41. PumpNDump

    Secrecy is the enemy of democracy.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply
    • willy

      Yes it is. Why doesn't al qaeda do the right thing and give us all their plans of attacks so democracy can be safe.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:19 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        cia is right now arming al qaeda and muslim brotherhood in eastern turkey.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • willy

        why ima? so they can commit a suicide attack?

        June 21, 2012 at 11:24 am |
      • Adam

        @iamamuslim – haha.. actually, right now, the CIA is probably getting your coordinates.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:26 am |
      • EatYouAlive

        iamamuslim: LOOK BEHIND YOU!!!

        (Your mom has your sandwich handy)

        June 21, 2012 at 11:29 am |
      • iamamuslim

        you can read that in both nyt and in russia today.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:31 am |
      • Adam

        @iamamuslim – IS THAT YOU CHRISSY?!?! HAHA... it IS you isn't it? I didn't know you had the night off last night!

        June 21, 2012 at 11:33 am |
      • iamamuslim

        i am glad you are showing who you really are.peasants.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Adam

      haha! PumpNDump!!! I love it!

      June 21, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
  42. Mike

    I don't think the ACLU has it's facts correct. Seems to me we announce promptly the name of any confirmed death of a targeted terrorist. We also report when there are unintended (read collateral) casualties among civilians, along with our regrets, and our intention to conduct an investigation. So, I think the administration can answer this suit as follows:

    DO YOU CONDUCT DRONE STRIKES? YES
    DO YOU PROVIDE THE NAME(S) OF TARGETED INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY ARE KILLED? YES
    DO YOU CONDUCT DRONE STRIKES AGAINST LEGITIMATE TARGETS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES? YES
    HOW MANY DRONE STRIKES ARE CONDUCTED? AS MANY AS NEEDED, AS OFTEN AS NEEDED.
    ARE THESE DRONE STRIKES CONDUCTED IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? YES

    Case closed ACLU. Move on to your next cause celeb and let your government protect its citizens, including you, in the best manner possible.

    Have a great day.

    June 21, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
    • allens

      the ACLU is a neccessary evil. the government must be watched. absolute power corrupts. as far as looking at the drone program, they are off base. if the real reason for their concern is the drones being used against americans, they should hjave an interest. i know it made me upset to hear the government is thinking of using the drone in our skies to "spy on u.s. citizens.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
      • Rick from LA

        Um law enforcement agencies have used aeiral recon vehicles for decades. All a drone does is allow a pilot to stay at base and hand off the aircraft to the next shift rotation with no need of landing.

        Look at what a modern law enforcement helicopters can do then look at a what a drone can do, they are the same. What makes them differnt is that one burns more fuel becuase it has to carry a living crew and the safety equipment to protect them, the other one is far more cost effective to operate.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

        @Rick from LA
        Afraid not. Just because both ‘fly’ and both have “camera” doesn’t make them the same thing. Drones have far superior flight time and surveillance capability. Which means better and longer (more evasive) surveillance. Police helicopters are in no danger of being shot down. There is no ‘need’ for the pilot to stay home.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
      • Fr33th1nk3r

        If you aren't part of a global terrorist organization or an organized crime cartel, why would you care if the government is conducting surveillance with the latest technology? They can take a picture of me, videotape me, tap my phones– I have nothing to hide. If it helps to make my fellow Americans safer, why should I object?

        June 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • kdmiller

      I agree with both these comments, stupid ACLU members have probably never server in a combat zone, proibably behind the lines where it MIGHT be safer. Go server your country, loose friends or get hurt yourself , you MIGHT then have something to say, but military secrets on combat mission that support our troops or protect our country, screw you

      June 21, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
    • PaxHominibus

      More "big"talk from you Americans. Sure you're brave attacking backward nations; small nations and using long distance missiles!
      But your leader, like you, is scared witless of the real superpowers in today's world – Russia and China! Sadly your Military are great people who follow orders and do their jobs, but your credibility as a real world leader has all but disappeared.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:51 am | Reply
      • Brian

        Look up the range of a Hellfire missle.. not a long range missile.. second if we are not as powerful as we clam then how did we dismantle the Libian defense in a matter of hours. It was a show of how easially we can strike any where in the world and not loose one person when we do it right.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • nosferatu

      Darn right, cause if Nixon taught us anything, it's that the government can be trusted to be truthful.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
  43. Chuck

    IFirst I recommend establish a new battalion of terrorist fighters created exclusively from the ACLU executive board and whatever other folks believe this should be released.
    Once this battalion is trained and sent on their mission, release the data. Plus we might as well release details of where we have placed them. What the heck.

    There is more to this than just wanting or need to know. Releasing this information can place many individuals at risk.
    The ACLU doesn't really care about liberties, they have tunnel vision and are what I consider self seeking zealots.
    See what they think of my liberty in regards to calling them a bunch of blow hards!!!

    June 21, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
  44. Jt_flyer

    Attorneys are the scourge of the earth. I'm so happy to see their standard of living and employment stats dropping faster than the rest of the country. Let's hope it continues.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • hypatia

      You'll sing a different tune if you ever need one.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:10 am | Reply
      • objectiveobserver

        any paralegal will suffice for most transactions. attorney's want us to believe they're necessary. parasites! i know. i once was one. IT work pays more anyhow. the joke is on any law school student. shouldn't have watched so much l.a. law and ally mcbeal.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:40 am |
      • notanidiotjarhead

        We get it, and the guy who can afford a better lawyer wins.....hmmmmmm sounds like the perfect justice system.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  45. Keoni Koch

    Reading these posts makes me ashamed to be an American. You people are truly pathetic.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
    • JHL

      Agreed. The moronic, jingoistic, nihilistic lunatic fringe is alive and kicking. God help us all.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
    • IBSmarterThanYouIs

      They usually are like this.. it's like watching a train wreck. It's cheaper than a movie though.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
  46. ihateiran

    I have a question for everyone reading this thread. Lets say Osama was still alive (he got pawned LAWL), and he was in a city of 60,000 in afghanistan. and your only option was to nuke the city to get a confirmed kill on him and eliminate him. would you do it? I sure as hell would. and i would clutch my balls and scream "OHHH BABYYYY" as i was nuking him too. =D

    June 21, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      in any civilized country,you would be locked up in the mad house.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
      • ihateiran

        Nahhhhh sahnnnn. I just hate b******s like you=)

        June 21, 2012 at 10:38 am |
      • frank

        but probably not in any country you appear to support. the key word is "civilized"

        June 21, 2012 at 11:17 am |
      • iamamuslim

        ha,ha,ha,you call america civilized?racists,nazis,biggots,criminals,pedophiles,...

        June 21, 2012 at 11:24 am |
      • EatYouAlive

        iamamuslim: Every country in the world has them. No one is special you creep.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • AJ

      You are f-u- c -k-i ng sick you will d-i-e the hard way. You have no feeling for human because you are r-u-thless person.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply
    • Jamis

      FACT – The United States has not issued an official declaration of war...so we are not at war. We are just blowing up people and places with zero accountability.

      FACT – The Pentagon receives 58% of the entire federal budget. So while children in AMERICA go hungry and can't read, we are paying military contractors hundreds of millions of YOUR TAX PAYER DOLLARS.

      FACT – Even if we did declare war, you can't win against a force with no centralized base. Just ask any Vietnam War Veteran. Oh wait, you can't find any of them because they are all wandering the streets being homeless because we only support our troops when they are out killing brown people or beige people. Once they come home they stop being important to our government.

      FACT – We give Pakistan HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS every year and they take the money, laugh like loons, and then invest it in opium crops (to export to the USA) and Russian military grade weapons.

      You people are sheep and you deserve the massive economic depression that is coming your way. Enjoy soul crushing poverty while your elected officials take millions of dollars in donations from corporations who fund nothing but take everything.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        amen,brother.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:55 am |
      • frank

        we "people" apparently have got under your skin! you apparently already live in a depressed and depressing state. too bad, so sad. keep applying for your US visa although its unlikely it will be granted

        June 21, 2012 at 11:20 am |
      • American

        Jamis...may I remind you: keep your friends close and your enemies closer...give money to crappy governments so we can keep an eye on them.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:22 am |
      • USVet

        So? We still live much better then YOU!

        June 21, 2012 at 11:29 am |
      • PXL

        FACT – US President Bush used the phrase 'War on Terror' to denote a global military, political and legal campaign against terrorist organizations and governments accused of having a connection to them.
        FACT – The military issue the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal to military service members who have performed service in the War on Terror from September 11, 2001 to a date to be determined.
        FACT – More of 6,280 service members death from 2001 to this date.
        If is not a war, what it is? Maybe Bush forgot sent an email or twitter to Bin Laden to "officially" declare a war. Or maybe when you invade two countries the soldiers call that camping or day trip.
        FACT – Maybe you thing that we (you are not include in the we) can't win because you do not serve your country.
        FACT – 38% of the US military is brown people
        FACT – the US military is a 100% voluntary force that does not quit so easily (they are not like you)
        FACT – I know that there bad apples in the military but most of them are fathers, mothers, sons and daugthers that do not see they families during deployments (6 months to 15 months)
        FACT – You are an arrogant that is more worried about the people that kill our soldiers that of the US citizen that die in the hands of terrorist.
        If you are worried about money, why do not enter in the military, serve you country and stop to complain?

        June 21, 2012 at 11:29 am |
      • iamamuslim

        FACT-your millitary is not voluntary,these people are employees,they receive paychecks.they prefer to murder people for money than to work for money.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:36 am |
      • FYI

        @ iamamuslim – At least we pay our servicemen and not with phony promises of 72 virgins and we don't make slaves of our women and make them hide their faces. The real reason your women hide their faces is not because you demand it – it's because they are ashamed to be seen near or with you.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • PumpNDump

      You know you can come out now. "Don't ask, Don't tell" is no longer policy in the Pentagon. You can live your life free of lies as gay man.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:07 am | Reply
    • notanidiotjarhead

      Anyone who can laugh off with a joke the nuking of 60K people to get one has some serious morality problems. I suggest you go to your priest and get some advice about life, right and wrong and throw in some education about environmental impact of Nuclear detonation for good measure.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:46 am | Reply
      • Emigdio

        In a war such as this, there is no such thing as "civilians." the environmental ramifications are another subject. Better use thermobaric weapons like the MOAB.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
  47. PXL

    really said:
    "Yes, just trust the government to do "whatever necessary" regardless of if that involves killing citizens or detaining them without trial. As long as we are safe from the scary bad men, who cares if we are free"

    The people forget things with the time. After 11 years of war the people is forgeting that there is a war and with who is the war. We declared war to al-Qaeda and Anwar al-Awlaki was a recruiter and motivator of the organization (that made him a enemy combatant and traitor). He was an US citizen but that does not change the fact that he was an enemy combatant in a declared war. He spiritual trained three of the 9-11 hijackers responsible of killing 3,000 people, he recruit "Underwear Bomber" who was trying to kill 279 people and spiritual trained Nidal Malik Hasan who kill 13 soldiers. The military detain the enemy if the enemy surrender or get injured but they job is not arrest people. I do not expect the Army trying to detain a enemy shooting with an AK, putting bomb or recruiting suicide bombers (as al-Awlaki). Al-Awlaki could surrender to the US Embassy in Yemen an use his US citizen rights to get a trial, but he decided to keep fighting. ACLU needs to understand that no government release information of the targets, locations or how they locate the enemy in the middle of the war.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
    • Steve

      one major falsehood in your entire post and it makes it all invalid...

      We NEVER...again, NEVER,...declared war against Iraq, Afghanistan or anyone as you cannot declare war against an enemy with no country. We have never officially declared war also because that meant we didnt have to pay for it up front as opposed to when you declare "war" you actually have to include it in the budget and get congressional approval for wartime expenditures.

      That means that once again, we get to call it something else and pretend as if we are totally innocent in all of this...let's see what did they call the debacle in Vietnam...oh thats right, a police action...

      June 21, 2012 at 11:27 am | Reply
      • PXL

        Two countries invaded and 6,280 U.S. service members killed from 2001 to this date and is not a war because there is not an official declaration of war. When you send troops inside a country to fight the 99.9% of the population call that war(.1% is Steve).

        June 21, 2012 at 11:45 am |
      • PXL

        In response to the 9/11 attacks the Congress passed the joint resolution Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists which authorized the US President to fight the War on Terror:
        "Joint Resolution
        To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
        Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and
        Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and...."
        Definition of war
        "A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state."
        The correct word is war!

        June 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • capt nemo

      only flaw in your reasoning is that there is no declared war. Congress has NOT declared war.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
      • PXL

        How you call it then?

        June 21, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
      • PXL

        In response to the 9/11 attacks the Congress passed the joint resolution Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists which authorized the US President to fight the War on Terror:
        "Joint Resolution

        To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

        Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and
        Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and...."

        June 21, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  48. Jaimie

    Love those drones...... Keep them coming.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:31 am | Reply
    • Keoni Koch

      Wow, you people really do not understand what Liberty means do you?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
  49. Tr1Xen

    I agree. This is a matter of national security. The ACLU can blow it out their a&&es.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:23 am | Reply
    • Dan

      Agreed

      June 21, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
  50. clearick

    I have no problem with the US killing people remotely, and see this as no different that dropping bombs. Actually it is better than dropping a lot of bombs hoping to kill someone. A drone is a precision instrument sent directly to a target and they are expensive so the technicians want to make sure the drone finds a good, qualified target. As with all military force, Americans should be able to trust their war makers to do their job properly. I see no reason for public oversight, I see plenty of reasons for wanting to keep the program secret as we are not the only country that can make them.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:15 am | Reply
    • justmeanddog

      Why do you think that the Terrorists fear Drones so much? Because they cannot hide from them among in a crowd of innocent women and children. Remember not long ago they threatened to stop the flow of the Polio Vaccine to the children of PK if the Drones didn’t stop targeting them. This should cause a rapid increase in the production and deployment of Drones and their missile payloads.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:24 am | Reply
  51. Peter Goesinya

    I would like to order a drone strike on the ACLU.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • Independent from NH

      Bravo!!!!!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • loverpoint

      I'd like to order one on the Tea Party Republicans. Give them a taste of their own medicine,

      June 21, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
      • GG

        That's funny that your taking a stance against the Obama regime on this. Guess that aligns you with the Tea Party express. Welcome aboard!

        June 21, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Taxpayer

      I second that motion.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:23 am | Reply
    • JHL

      Really? Do you think you're being clever?

      The ACLU takes on a number of positions unpopular to the left and right. This is one example. Another was its support of the rights of Nazis to march in Skokie which didn't endear it to many supporters or commentators.

      I guess they should only support things that you agree with. That's a small dark world I'd wager.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • capt nemo

      no you wouldn't. The ACLU is the reason that both Ollie North and Rush Limbaugh didn't go to jail, and the legal work the ACLU provided them was free.

      Go look it up: two of your heroes are free because of the ACLU.

      wikipedia: "However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony."

      fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html "ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense"

      June 21, 2012 at 11:50 am | Reply
      • Chuck

        Hitler built the Autobahn, that doesn't make him a good guy. There are things that the ACLU has done in the past that are good. But they also push an agenda with no real purpose. The ACLU, the far left and the far right all have issues.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  52. Ymmda

    I thought the Obama administration was going to be the "most transparent ever". Guess not.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:12 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      obama=bush

      June 21, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
      • ihateiran

        hey iamamuslim. have you lost any relatives to drone strikes or the war if afghanistan? and do you support terroist actions against the United States of America?

        June 21, 2012 at 10:27 am |
      • iamamuslim

        no,but i hate nazis.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:38 am |
      • ihateiran

        then stfu and stay out of it=)

        June 21, 2012 at 10:39 am |
      • Forfun

        Don't like OB for political economic reasons, BUT the more Bush like he is here the bettter. Maybe if he wins the election (letts vote he does not) he will be more Bush like in other areas.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:00 am |
      • AngryJew

        We wish the people of Iran nothing but good things. The same goes for the people of Palestine.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  53. Jean Sartre

    No, al Quaeda has NOT taken over the ACLU, however, your fear of them has eroded your ability the think clearly...

    June 21, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
    • Adam

      Being and Nothingness right?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:29 am | Reply
    • TheKnothead

      Actually, it's just the ACLU being on the wrong side of the argument, again, as usual.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:32 am | Reply
  54. Randy

    They are all free to return home if they want to. Wounder why they still here? Maybe because they like to act like they are so commited to their religion. As we all know if they were we would have one less to worry about, because a true believer would have made it to the 72 virgins.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:08 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      you are all also free to go back to nazi germany,fascist italy,imperialistic england or wherever your genocidal ancestors came from.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:25 am | Reply
      • Adam

        South side.. well.. it's like Nazi Germany anyway.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  55. justmeanddog

    Other than wanting to kiss every Drone that kills a terrorist; the only thing I have wondered about is how they can do their job with such a small propeller driving them. I’m assuming it must be super high speed.

    June 21, 2012 at 10:05 am | Reply
    • ihateiran

      Lol. agreed ^

      June 21, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Atlanta Dan

      The reason they only need a small engine is that they don't carry a human being and related life support weight. That's also why losing one is less costly. The joy stick operator is probably in Langley somewhere and just goes home at the end of the day. The next day he probably gets to drive a new drone (no loss of the million dollars training required by a pilot) Besides, everything he sees and does is being monitored by at least one other person consistently and recorded for examination later.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
  56. Mary

    The public does NOT have the RIGHT to know about CONFIDENTIAL military operations. All it needs to know is that since 911 there has been no successful terrorist attack within the US. As far as Pakistan is concerned, if they help eliminate the Taliban terrorists as promised, US won't have to use the drones. ACLU is becoming a nuisance. Has Alqueda taken over ACLU?

    June 21, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
    • peter

      We don't need to know, I am all for higher taxes if they are used to make more drones and send them into Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia and Yemen by the thousands, I don't care who they kill, they are ALL enemies of the US

      June 21, 2012 at 10:10 am | Reply
      • Independent from NH

        Agree 100%. What would these idiots rather have? Sending our kids to get shot and blown up or having a precision instrument like a drone do the dirty work? The ACLU is absurd. And to think the New York Times filed a lawsuit. They are a newspaper! Who cares what NYT thinks.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:24 am |
      • Adam

        I think that hostile Nations are crying foul about the drones because it's like "hey! now we can't kill you back!! No fair!!!" It's such a dominating advangtage that people can't handle it. Too bad, so sad.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • Maybe So

      I somewhat agree with you, however, it's somewhat untenable to claim it's "CONFIDENTIAL" when the WH is leaking information about the programs all over the press when convenient. Furthermore, it's a little disingenuous to say the leaks don't matter when it helps POTUS's cause - no need to look for the leak - but that any information found otherwise will be the death knell for the country.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
  57. mike fallopian

    for a country that has bank rolled numerous violent revolutions (when it is relevant to our interests), armed and supported terrorist groups (i.e. the I.R.A), is involved in state sanctioned murder/assassination (castro), invaded non-hostile countries under the guise of "protecting freedom" (vietnam, Iraq), dropped the one and only atomic bomb ever used in war time on 2 CIVILIAN CITYS, we are awfully touchy. luckily we have the support of all the blind war mongering citizens so the status quo will remain

    June 21, 2012 at 10:03 am | Reply
    • Curious

      Is your last name Tube?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
      • Adam

        Coffee just shot out of my nose.. I'm gonna go change my shirt now.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Steve

      I really wish the war-mongering faux news rejects had their forums back. It was pretty crappy of Faux to release them into the wild on an unsuspecting population...

      June 21, 2012 at 11:30 am | Reply
    • PrecottPharmacuticals

      Umm..Mike That had to big one heck of a bomb to knock out two cities hundreds of miles apart.

      The U..S. used two bombs, and saved the lives of a few million servicemen and civilians in the process.

      June 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Reply
  58. bill

    Perhaps what we need is a drone strike on the ACLU.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • JHL

      Or maybe on the "bill"s of the world? Who'd miss them?

      June 21, 2012 at 10:43 am | Reply
  59. TheKnothead

    The ACLU can pack sand. The public does NOT have the right to know about confidential military operations. All we need to know is that since 911 there has not been a successful terrorist attack within the US. That's thanks to Bush, taking the war back to them on their soil and Obama continuing to eliminate these people that hate us and want to kill as many of us as they can. As far as Pakistan is concerned, if they would do what they claim to be doing...which is helping eliminate the Taliban terrorists...we wouldn't have to use the drones.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:54 am | Reply
  60. Tsgt Smako

    The ACLU? Oh no! The ACLU is going to sue the Government! Whatever will the Government do?
    Say no to any court order. What will the court do? Hold Government in contempt? Put Government in jail? Fine Government? Like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no."

    June 21, 2012 at 9:52 am | Reply
    • Steve

      The fact that you use an example from the wife of a RINO isnt surprising. Most of the right is very confused about their great communicator.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
  61. willy

    When al qaeda attacked America on 911 they were not out to make friends they were out to make war. If any group of people declare war on any country in the world and execute attacks what would we expect them to do? The ACLU living in their ivory towers appear to not be aware that this is war. I think we can give all the information about our offensives as soon as al qaeda gives us 24 hours advance notice to all their attacks. Guess what ACLU, that ain't how war works. Heck, chess games do not even work that way.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:51 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      9/11 was a payback for palestine.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:52 am | Reply
      • Adam

        @iamamuslim – you are making yourself sound very stupid right now. What you have just said is some of the most cold blooded trash I've ever heard. You should be ashamed. If you had any wisdom at all, you'd realize that any death is bad. Don't call it payback, it was desperation and purely evil. Two wrongs don't make a right my friend.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:59 am |
      • ihateiran (and iamamuslim)

        hey you islamic radicalist piece of ****.......i hope you realize we could turn your beloved palestine into a giant heap of glass with our nuclear weapons. and your lucky we didnt just use em on your sorry *** after 9/11. you started the war. 3,000 innocent civilians dead. so the U.S. government took it up a notch, killing your fighters and civilians too=) i'd say we have a ratio of our dead civilians from 9/11 to your dead civilians since then of about....hmmm......1:1,000, and it doesnt bother me one damn bit. you got what you deserve because you started this **** shoot over nothing. so all i have to say is: SCOREBOARDDDDDD

        June 21, 2012 at 10:04 am |
      • frank

        you mean that when the arab armies attacked israel in 1948 and lost; 52 years later you and your buddies decided to knock down 2 buildings in New York? Coo Coo!!

        June 21, 2012 at 10:10 am |
      • iamamuslim

        the goal of 9/11 was to deprive pentagon of money.and that is just happening-9/11 cost america about $20 trillion already,one more would ruin your economy entirely.attack on iran will be the end of american empire.you cannot defeat a few hundred tennis shoes clad talibans,your millitary is extremely expensive,your soldiers are cowards in fair fight.no,you cannot win.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:12 am |
      • peter

        Palestine is now and always was a cess pool, let them go to Egypt or better yet Saudi Arabia, those stinking towel heads

        June 21, 2012 at 10:12 am |
      • matt in nw

        So....how did that work for Palestine anyway? Any change? at all? no?..... hmmmm

        The jews and palestinians have been fighting over that strip of land for a couple thousand years. For any change at all in that situation, people have to get sick of fighting.

        all 9/11 did was touch off a series of wars that have been profitable for arms manufacturers and not anyone else.

        besides you think Israel is the only one to blame for the palestinian situation? they are being used as pawns by muslim militant groups as well. These groups attack Israel and then hide behind palestinian civilians when the retribution comes down.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • Wraith

        iamamuslim–"your soldiers are cowards in fair fight." Wait a sec... I think you have our soldiers, who are clearly marked, in uniform, confused with the dress wearing sand-porkers that hide within civilian populaces. One for one, your, "soldiers (laughable to use the term to describe dress wearing zealots, really) don't have a prayer (no matter how many times a day you pray). Or are you just jealous of our technology (if so, please stop using that computer to post your nonsense–the PC is brought to you by the courtesy of the US)? I mean, if it's a technology issue, I totally understand, you know, seeing as we have no concern with leveling your $50 mud hut with a $150K missile from anywhere at any time, while your level of technology has just now peaked at the, "duct tape an 80's Walkman with a tape repeating, 'Allahu Akbar,' over and over and throwing it really, really hard."

        Keep your eyes up, my friend. Though the camel may find it uncomfortable, with your head turning in it's rectum and all.

        June 21, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • willy

      @iamamuslim: No mater who started it, this is war. They want to kill us, we must defend ourselves.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      and they WILL defend themselves.you will lose.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:59 am | Reply
      • peter

        No, your gutter religion with it's false prophet are going down, count on that

        June 21, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • willy

      @iamamuslim: I suspect you are a troll but still, evil will lose. In time YOU will see. No more Osama bin laden worshipers.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        who is more evil than americans?

        June 21, 2012 at 10:17 am |
      • Adam

        All of the leaders of Al Queda.. oh wait .. they're all dead

        June 21, 2012 at 10:36 am |
      • FYI

        @ iamamuslim – Anyone who believes in the pedophile author of the Quran has pig dung for brains.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • willy

      Yup, there is a lot of evil in America but I can think of nothing more evil then a man using his religion as an excuse to kill women, children and good men who would give them the shirt off of their backs just for political gain. Osama bin laden was evil and only wanted to control because of his corrupted self manufactured view of his religion. All those who worshiped him were and are evil as well. You don't have to be religious to see that.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        america created bin laden and al qaeda.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:41 am |
      • Adam

        that may be, but like any bad creation... we bashed it into the ground with a club.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:06 am |
      • willy

        Evil always has an excuse and often blames the victim. Evil people worship other evil people such as Osama bin laden. In the end evil loses.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Steve

      Im pretty sure none of you can tell me what Osama Bin Laden actually said on the tape about 911...can you?

      Let me help....he didnt say he would kill us, he didnt say he would destroy us, he didnt even say there were more attacks to come.....he said he would bankrupt us, he would force our hand and destroy our freedoms.

      Hmmm, doesnt seem like he was far off...nice of us to just walk into the punch instead of actually putting up a fight. I mean, do you honestly think you can extinguish an idea. I would love to do that with christianity here (or ANY organized religion) as that is the heart of the problem, but it would be really hard to track down every christian and kill them, especially while they are teaching their children the same aggrandized tripe.

      Hell, the Nazi's were really good at what they do and they couldnt get all the Jewish people, much to the dismay of the likes of some of the right wing Neo-nazi types that are on here. Too bad Faux News set these types free from their little extremist training camps there on the Faux forums, they were much better when they were all corralled together and not set loose upon the rest of reasonable humanity.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
  62. jihad

    still not time to refuel the 9/11 propaganda machine i see

    June 21, 2012 at 9:49 am | Reply
  63. WillardR

    The ACLU is out of line here. This is CLASSIFIED information. Are these people working for or AGAINST the people of the US??? Hand them over -NOTHING- !!

    June 21, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
  64. bill

    The American Civil Liberties Union has become a perverted, UN-American organization which is constantly and consistently on the wrong side of every issue. It should be abolished. Who are these people anyway? And how are they funded? It is past time to investigate this outfit and sue them out of existence.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      whoever is not nazi,you call him un-american.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:53 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      funny but i would suggest you are also someone that would say we cant trust the government, the government should be afraid of the people etc etc. The ACLU are constantly challenging the government and you dont like them?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
  65. iamamuslim

    bottom line is:drones will not help you steal muslim natural resources.every day american soldiers are killed or badly wounded.you are losing this war.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • Adam

      whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:57 am | Reply
    • frank

      the only muslim "natural resource" appears to be young men willing to commit suicide for the rewards they expect in their version of paradise. As long as you and your muslim apologists continue to ignore the technical superiority of your enemies, your "natural resources" will continue to diminish.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        just read about american casualties regularly.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:21 am |
      • matt in nw

        @iamamuslim

        Victory as you discribe it would be a total sweep and clear, no more enemies alive to oppose you, yes?
        The US has that capability- we could kill every living being in Afghanistan .....So could have the Soviets....

        Oh and as far as our 'cowardly' troops – (im guessing the drones in particular) IEDs are quite manly ehhh? waay differnt than the drones right? ... and while we are on the subject of courage...what is it with throwing acid in little girls faces? poisoning drinking wells?

        June 21, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • peter

      Really, then go stand in Pakistan, these drones can and do pick specific targets, including Islamic pigs like you I

      June 21, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      your mama s a pig,peter,sleeping around with other pigs.we muslims keep away from pigs.that is why we do not like to see you in our lands.

      June 21, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
      • American

        iamamuslim...so far in Iraq 20,581 terrorist dead and 3,667 terrorist dead in Afgahnistan...that hardly compares to the number of coalition forces killed 3,055. Tick-tock, tick-tock...you're time is running out!

        June 21, 2012 at 10:39 am |
      • FYI

        The Quran is regarded widely as the finest piece of fiction in the Arabic language because it took supposedly 23 years and authored by a pedophile. Ran out of "pee pads" for my dog but the pages from a Quran work just as well – just wish it had larger pages.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  66. snowdogg

    "The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit in New York after a Freedom of Information Act request they submitted to the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, and the CIA, was denied. The rights group is seeking the release of a copy of the memo outlining the Obama administration's program that targets suspected terrorists overseas."

    Doesn't the ACLU have anything else to do which wouldn't involve compromising US security?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:38 am | Reply
  67. jihad

    hmmm..blanket bombings..collateral damage...no u.n. approval..sounds like first world terrorism to me.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • razmataz

      Just repaying in kind, jihad! Don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot, huh?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
    • Adam

      kiss my grits

      June 21, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
    • American

      With a screen name like jihad to complain about others being terroists makes you two-faced.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • jihad

        jihad means holy land it only has negative connotations in the right context ignorant ass

        June 21, 2012 at 9:50 am |
      • Adam

        Oh.. we're sorry.. we didn't realize that using the term jihad had any other context.. don't pretend you use that word for any other reason. And if you think people around the world interpret that word to mean anything other than something hostile, then you're the ignorant one.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:55 am |
      • IndependentObserver

        Holy Land???

        According to the authoritative Dictionary of Islam jihad is defined as: "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad ... enjoined especially for the purpose of advancing Islam and repelling evil from Muslims."

        An accurate interpretation of the concept of Jihad bout how Muslims describe three different types of struggles:
        A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible
        The struggle to build a good Muslim society
        Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary

        June 21, 2012 at 10:01 am |
      • IndependentObserver

        Sorry....I couldn't find anything about "holy land"....nor could I find anything about using women and children for suicide missions to kill innocent people. How do innocent and unknown people threaten Islam? Someone's chugging the Kool Aid

        June 21, 2012 at 10:03 am |
      • ironfray

        I'm sure this jihad person is no more Muslim than a rock is a squirrel. Probably just a wannabe who thinks it's cool to embrace something they deem "meaningful" just to feel like he / she belongs. If you want to jihad so bad, go congregate with your other buddies and wait for the warmth of Hellfire on your dome.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • American

      "jihad" has been used in a "call" to fight everyone who won't submit to the terrorist beliefs. So suck wind and cover your a$$ 'casue we are coming for you.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        you are "coming"-maybe like those 3 killed marines yesterday,or like those 9 badly wounded the day before,or like 1 killed and 7 badly wounded on monday,...?what is your coming exactly?

        June 21, 2012 at 10:02 am |
      • American

        Hey iamamuslim...is that it? That's all you got. Go to terroristdeathwatch.com and see the count of how many terrorist have be killed. Yeah, we're coming alright...

        June 21, 2012 at 10:09 am |
      • ironfray

        iammuslim along with jihad are just both posers. They're loser trolls posing as Muslims to stir up hate. Any intelligent person can see through that. We live in a world full of weak minded individuals and a prime example of that are these two.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • George

      We have the right to do whatever we want all over the world... We are the kings of the world whether you like it or not; if you don't like it... Move to the moon!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
  68. rick

    99% of what the ACLU does is necessary and admirable, this case falls in the 1% that is not. It does not involve the civil liberties of americans who are not professed enemies of the US. The ACLU should keep its nose out of matters of national security, especially matters that occur outside the boundaries of the US. The use of drones to kill killers is not comparable to defending the right of coo coos to march.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
  69. JJ

    If the ACLU is so worried about these sick extremist that kill their own people and cause fear around the world. Then cough up the money for some airline tickets and put your own lives in danger, while visiting one of these countries that are harboring these terrorist. Even better... while your over their visit Syria and ask their government why they are killing their own people by the thousands.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
  70. TiredOfPaying

    During cease fire talks with North Korea during the Korean War, they refused to talk to us until we removed the Battleships that were pounding them from 26 miles offshore. The reason was because they were highly effective and North Korea couldn't do a damm thing about it.

    Today we have drones in a similar situation. Since they can't do anything about instant death from above, they want to stop it using the american propaganda machine that is the ACLU. Screw that... build more drones!

    June 21, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      are you seriously posting that you think AQ are the ones asking the ACLU to step in?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Reply
  71. Jon Dough

    I am feeling reassured from some of the comments suggesting that the ACLU is about as nieve and stupid about the realities of this globe as I think they are. When our sworn enemies have leveled us with our own technologies and inside info, will they (ACLU) feel okay? How absolutely stupid are these people???

    June 21, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      you think the ACLU are asking for drone schematics that AQ could then copy?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
      • ReadingisFundamental

        They can just buy the plans from Iran like Venezuela did, why sue?

        June 21, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  72. Grumpster

    When the civilians decide to pitch in rather than hide the targets, then we can talk about it. Unti lthen...boom boom, out go the lights.

    June 21, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
  73. blaze562

    It sounds like we are hitting the ACLU's Allies in the right place.
    Whet should happen is that we deport the whole ACLU right out of this country never to return again because all they are is a domestic terrorist group that is against Americans, Why do we allow them in business anyway?

    June 21, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      you have no clue what the ACLU does do you?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  74. John

    And why don't we just tell them what time we are going to do It to. That the dumbest thing I every heard of, the ACLU and the New York Times could care less about the safely of America at all.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
  75. iamamuslim

    did anyone think that american government would do what is right?you think they care about honesty?aligators.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:50 am | Reply
    • gundamman

      fool. what is right is to keep these reports out of the hands of those wackaloons at the ACLU. You want a simple solution? Have these "victims" stop supporting the terrorists and denounce them, give their secret hiding spots, and then there is no more of a worry from drones from above...

      June 21, 2012 at 9:06 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      you are terrorists.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:20 am | Reply
      • razmataz

        Tell that to the 3000+ folks who died 9/11/01. Then go copulate with a goat!!!

        June 21, 2012 at 9:29 am |
      • iamamuslim

        your mama is a goat.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:34 am |
      • razmataz

        "iamamuslim

        your mama is a goat."

        Is that really the best you got? How about some ham and eggs for breakfast, perhaps a nice pork chop for dinner, or better yet some spare ribs! Yum, yum!

        June 21, 2012 at 9:38 am |
      • iamamuslim

        oh,your daddy is a pig.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:47 am |
      • Adam

        kill thousands of American civilians with a preemtive cheap shot and you're damn right we'll become terrorists.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:47 am |
      • iamamuslim

        you have not become,you have always been.

        June 21, 2012 at 10:04 am |
      • Adam

        You sound scared.. you scared? YOU SCARED!?

        June 21, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • rick

      you epitomize the problem , you appear to be an educated moderate muslim that can but will not distinguish between murderers and "martyrs". the shoe bomber and underwear bomber, the times square bomber and subway bomber, the acid thrower and well poisoner, the child killers and rocket launchers are all justifiable because they are muslims "oppressed" by the non muslim world. You are unwilling, though able, to distinguish between right and wrong and thus, you bring misery upon yourself. The propaganda ploy of whining and blaming everyone but yourself is not effective and never has been. It's time to join the civilized world and drones wont be necessary

      June 21, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • iamamuslim

        america is no1 terrorist.all of you are brainwashed.read some international news,you will see your country differently.as for muslims,they will defend their lands,no matter how you call them.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • peter

      We will feed you and your piggy children to the alligators, Islamic swine!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:16 am | Reply
  76. hardcase59

    It's the ACLU that's absurd!

    June 21, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
    • snowdogg

      agree... none of their business

      June 21, 2012 at 9:40 am | Reply
  77. perspective

    Hear hear. Good on you ACLU. Let's stop the collateral murder of civilians around the world and put some democracy back in the process of selecting who we obliterate.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:39 am | Reply
    • steve

      But the civilians are the murderers. Or do you support people killing kids. Poisioning school drinking water and little girls getting acid thrown in their face?

      June 21, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
      • perspective

        Yea so civilians in the Middle East are all murderers. That kind of ignorance only fuels hatred toward America. Your trust in America's 'just' system of murder is naive. When they start using drones to kill illegal immigrants on our border, you'll surely be the first to write off the collateral damage.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:17 am |
      • lz

        so....when the drones here drop a few in a residential neighborhood and a few kids are killed as collateral damage, i guess thats ok too. McCain sees no difference between drones in afghanistan and using drones here and killing targets in the us

        June 21, 2012 at 9:44 am |
      • peter

        Actually, the acid is thrown into their faces to help remove Arab women's mustaches and to make their skin more evenly dispersed with in bred acne!

        June 21, 2012 at 10:18 am |
  78. Donald H

    This is a justifiable case where President Obama SHOULD declare Executive Priviledge (unlike the "Fast and Furious fiasco). We don't need the whole world knowing our intellegence and war capabilities.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:38 am | Reply
    • parkor

      That's just where you're wrong, Donald.

      This administration has orchestrated a very controlled "display" of American military applications. This administration wants any would-be enemy to know America's superiority. You can agree or disagree with the tactic, but it's not dissimilar from Reagan's idea of peace through a giant military.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
      • vbscript2

        parkor, I'm ok with the world knowing that we have drones and we're willing to use them to kill terrorists. I'm not ok with releasing classified details of the program to the ACLU.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:33 am |
  79. Paul

    If I want the ACLU to do anything for me I will hire them until that time comes I don't want them doing anything on my behalf. So unless they would like a class action suit brought against them for miss reputation, me and the rest of the millions of AMERICANS who happen to agree with me I think it may be wise to stand down and go back under that rock you crawled out from under

    June 21, 2012 at 8:35 am | Reply
  80. citizenUSA

    The ACLU is about as necessary as the U. N. . Like others have said, why are they concerned about foreign affairs? Are they forgetting their own name? Isn't there enough crap for them in our own backyard? We don't need to know about some things. We don't want to know about some things. We likely won't ever know about some things. The President doesn't even know everything that goes on. How long have people been speculating on extraterrestrials, (although I want to know about this)?

    June 21, 2012 at 8:33 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      why are they concerned about foreign affairs? because it the American government that are performing these actions, thats why. I dont agree with the ACLU asking for this but at least I can recognise why they would ask,

      June 21, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Reply
  81. cyberhackster

    Screw the ACLU - A group of government America haters with a little power

    June 21, 2012 at 8:33 am | Reply
    • Cedar Rapids

      pssst, they are usually against the government and try to ensure they dont get away with stuff. Isnt that something you would usually cheer for?

      June 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Reply
  82. WakeUpPlze

    I am so sick and tired of everyone in this country from the government to these civil liberties groups stating, "The American Public has a right to know". I elect Senators and Representatives...Presidents, and so on to "do the job". I trust they are doing the right thing so I can sleep at night and not worry about the bridge I drive over everyday is going to get blown up by terrorists. The ACLU has zero business...and neither does the New York Times. The Freedoms this country has afforded all of us is now going to too many people's heads. Too much information is just as bad, and sometimes worse...than no information at all.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:32 am | Reply
    • iamamuslim

      don't you think people around the world should be able to drive over their bridges as safely,not thinking about american terrorist drone attacks?

      June 21, 2012 at 8:42 am | Reply
      • steve

        Do you think those same people driving over the bridge should stop supporting the people causing terrorism? Since they dont stop..who cares if they die.

        June 21, 2012 at 8:55 am |
      • Sxray

        Why don’t you tell us your location iamamuslim 🙂

        June 21, 2012 at 9:21 am |
      • iamamuslim

        you are terrorists.and nazis.and you are losing.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:22 am |
      • razmataz

        Don't you think people would like to go to work in their office buildings in the morning and not worry about being blown up by a hijacked airplane?

        June 21, 2012 at 9:32 am |
      • iamamuslim

        leave everyone alone and you will be safe.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:36 am |
      • vbscript2

        If you aren't harboring terrorists, you have no need to be worried about an American drone strike. We don't just use them to kill random civilians for fun, like many of your Muslim brothers do.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:36 am |
      • iamamuslim

        you are as ignorant as you are rotten.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:39 am |
      • gregory21

        I don't care about the rest of the world, only AMERICA.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  83. sara

    Screw the ACLU and the New YORK TIMES. HOw absurd

    June 21, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
  84. Bobby

    most of the public doesn't care about anything but being safe. The ACLU has their own agenda to weaken the US hidden behind the face of the public.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:28 am | Reply
    • Jean Sartre

      THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

      June 21, 2012 at 10:05 am | Reply
  85. Tim

    Our security is not a tell all information act so the aclu can focous itself on many other issues it needs to be adressing elsewhere period ........... Can only wonder there true intentions here ?????

    June 21, 2012 at 8:22 am | Reply
  86. michaelfury

    The President leaked some of the targets himself:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/killin/

    June 21, 2012 at 8:20 am | Reply
    • Bob

      Have you ever heard of giving the enemy misleading information? A smart guy like that won’t make such a silly mistake.. grow up..!!

      June 21, 2012 at 8:25 am | Reply
      • chris

        Smart?

        Hardly. Dear Leader is a novice who's bungled nearly everything he's touched.
        Everything he touches turns to Shiite.

        June 21, 2012 at 8:44 am |
  87. jonny

    The ACLU has no business asking to make public critical strategic overseas information on programs that destroy enemies who have planned attacked and killed my fellow American civilians on our soil. We are keeping our word for once that we will take them out anywhere and those around them who get hurt in the process knew who they were in the company of. Let it be a lesson to the world not to hang-with a terrorist that made it into our pack of death cards. The ACLU may need to learn its proper place and new leadership.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:16 am | Reply
    • Bob

      Ridicules... why would the government give classify information to be distributed world wide and give the enemy a leg to stand.. Silly.!!. By the way I am not an American..

      June 21, 2012 at 8:23 am | Reply
      • HK

        Agreed! Sometimes I think Americans are so naive.

        June 21, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  88. BOB

    F * * K THE ACLU

    June 21, 2012 at 8:15 am | Reply
  89. US Dollars

    Somewhere along the way, the ACLU lost it's way. It must be wonderful to live in a world where you can ignore all the acts of terrorism targeted at Americans and look at your own government with distain.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply
    • michaelfury

      Disdain:

      http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/pulverized-to-near-power/

      June 21, 2012 at 8:34 am | Reply
  90. wisdomVS

    There isn't anything absurd about the military's mission to end terrorism and protect American interest abroad. The ACLU needs to understand it's limitations. They should also realize that they are being used by representatives of foreign governments in an effort to stop the effectiveness of the drone project. Pakistan is a very good example, they claim to be an ally yet they were hiding Osama Bin Laden. I say tell the ACLU to go to H3LL!

    June 21, 2012 at 8:12 am | Reply
  91. Tim

    No more information leaks. All we do is inform our enemies of our plans and capabilities. It's time to conceal what
    is necessary to protect this country. The media is as guilty as the ACLU in this regard.

    June 21, 2012 at 8:04 am | Reply
    • wisdomVS

      Amen!

      June 21, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply
  92. Jim W.

    What's absurd is the stance that the ACLU is taking. Just because the news media wants to drum up and create news they enlist the ACLU to do their dirty work and sit back and benefit from the new story. Not the story about drones but about the government withholding intelligence info. Now that's absurd. The government is in the right here. The ACLU is being used by the media and should recognize this and back off. There are times when it is in the best interest of the country that information this sensitive is not available to the public and the enemies of our country. Absurd!!!

    June 21, 2012 at 8:02 am | Reply
  93. Jack 63

    Just give it a month or two and the docs will be on wikileaks

    June 21, 2012 at 7:47 am | Reply
  94. lambert simnel

    The Aclu is like a fireman and a pyromaniac simultaneously...claiming to 'protect rights' on one hand and supporting those who'd destroy those rights on another.

    The "Onion "said it best: "ACLU supports riights of nazis to burn down ACLU headquarters"

    stand firm mr. president.

    June 21, 2012 at 7:39 am | Reply
  95. Hexdragon

    What do the ACLU want next, the Nuclear Launch Codes?

    June 21, 2012 at 7:38 am | Reply
  96. Everett Wallace

    ok so what they had me at the top of the list, I was concerned at first and then I thought about it, HELLFIRE would just fizzle if they were shot at me, so now obama administration, let's see if they would fizzle on U

    June 21, 2012 at 7:26 am | Reply
  97. really

    The "US" is not rejecting request for information. Our corrupt Federal government is. Please try to keep the two separate.

    June 21, 2012 at 7:23 am | Reply
  98. Bill

    It's about time this country invoked their sovereign right to do whatever necessary to protect it's interests and security and to keep the details a secret! All this nonsense about every joe the plumber on the street needing to know all the details of our security operations is counterproductive and if it leaks out somehow, it should be called treason!

    June 21, 2012 at 7:22 am | Reply
    • really

      Yes, just trust the government to do "whatever necessary" regardless of if that involves killing citizens or detaining them without trial. As long as we are safe from the scary bad men, who cares if we are free?

      June 21, 2012 at 7:26 am | Reply
      • xmilitary

        I tell you what. When the scary bad men come in and start executing AMERICANS for not following their religious beliefs then you can start whining about your freedom. Maybe we should send you over there and get a true sense of what we are truly fighting for. You don't have a real clue. You still have more freedom than half the world does.

        June 21, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  99. contractor

    Is the ACLU concerned that Americans are being targeted in Pakistan, Yemen and Afghanistan? Are they now on the side of the terrorists targeting our troops or planning attacks on US interests? I always thought the ACLU was concerned with matters in the 50 US states.

    June 21, 2012 at 5:42 am | Reply
    • Satan

      Terrorists can target troops. Why is that outrageous? They're combatants against the U.S. So what, it's unacceptable that U.S. troops get targeted by enemies? And, I might add, U.S. interests are the reason al-Qaeda does what it does. U.S. policy has long been unequivocally established as the reason (by Osama bin Laden himself, actually) as the reason for the entire cause they kill for. They want the U.S. out of their business and out of their backyard. But you're right, it's absolutely unacceptable for THEM to have the AUDACITY to kill young, UNIFORMED Americans. Unbelievable. Welcome to Earth, dude. War sucks, people die. If you don't want U.S. troops getting targeted, stop supporting U.S. interests that CLEARLY put them in danger...even though military members are viewed as expendable in the grand scheme of things. The U.S. doesn't care about it's troops any more than they care about Afghani kids who get shot to death in a rampage. It cares about it's strategic goals. Period. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I know, but that's life.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:38 am | Reply
      • jorge washinsen

        That is life only if you accept it.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
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