EXCLUSIVE: Israel's president warns "time is out" for Iran
Editor's note: Watch Elise Labott's interview with Shimon Peres at 1pET on CNN's Newsroom with Suzanne Malveaux
By Elise Labott, reporting from Jerusalem
Time is running out for a diplomatic solution to Western concerns about Iran's nuclear program, Israeli President Shimon Peres said Monday in an interview with CNN.
He said Iran continues to flout the United Nations and world leaders by pushing forward with work on its nuclear program - including, he said, work on a nuclear weapon. But he said Iranian leaders would be making a costly mistake in believing the threat of military action is an empty one.
"You cannot provoke the world, assuming the world is made of fools only," Peres said.
His comments come at the start of talks in Moscow between Iran and the group of nations that have taken the lead on the issue: the United States, France, Britain, Russia, China and Germany. Peres is not attending the meetings.
The International Atomic Energy Agency and Western leaders have expressed concern about Iran's nuclear effort, including its uranium enrichment program and possible work toward a nuclear weapon. Iranian leaders have repeatedly said the work is purely peaceful.
Previous rounds of talks have failed to result in any agreement.
Peres said Western leaders should remain united on the issue and called for the United States to assume the role of "elder statesman" in reaching a solution. He endorsed the strategy of exhausting non-military options, including sanctions, against Iran.
But he said there must be a credible threat of a military strike for those options to be successful.
"If the Iranians will understand seriously that this is an option, maybe we shall not need it," he said. "If they think this is a bluff, then it may lead to a war."
"For that reason, the warning must be credible, the sanctions must be credible," he said. "So let's first of all use the non-military means, indicating to the Iranians, 'Gentlemen, better you agree with a non-military confrontation than look for other options.' "
Iran has pressed for the removal of sanctions, including a ban on oil exports that appears to be exacting a serious toll on Iran's economy. U.S. and other officials have said sanctions must stand.
Here is the exchange:
Elise Labott: World powers are meeting with Iran in Moscow. Are you expecting anything from these talks or is it a waste of time? Is Iran playing for time?
Shimon Peres: I am not sure that something will happen there for two reasons. A) the Iranians think this is just a warning, That people are not serious enough. And the second is they believe can introduce a split in the coalition that President Obama has built. I don’t think it will happen because the danger is uniting, not the policy. Iran is a real danger
Labott: Do you think the military threat is credible enough?
Peres: If the Iranians will understand seriously that this is an option, maybe we shall not need it. If they think this is a bluff, then it may lead to a war . For that reason, the warning must must be credible, the sanctions must be credible. So let’s first of all use the non-military means, indicating to the Iranians, "Gentlemen, better you agree with a non-military confrontation than look for other options."
Labott: How long do they have?
Peres: I think time is out because they continue to build the bomb. They continue to do things which are contrary to the UN provisions, to the atomic center of Geneva. They build, the provoke. The continue to enrage the Iranians. You cannot provoke the world assuming the world is made of fools only.
Labott: So time is out you are saying, this is it?
Peres: I think time is beginning to be out, yes.
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LOL, here go the Jews trying to be like their hero, Hitler.
LOL. Here we go. Another moron from middle-America.
DocReality in stating another moron from Middle America you are obviously speaking about yourself.
The Indian invasion of United States is planned for 2023. This is the year when India overtakes United States economy.
That is if India survives the EIGHT SECOND rout that Pakistan has planned for it.
Sir, we are 1.5 Billion people. America is only 330 million. My calculation is that its 5 people to 1. That is a military advantage.
Now Mexicans and Latinos will be on our side, as will the Black. So we will invade America easily.
This is done deal.
India can't even invade a backwards country like Flakistan and they're going to invade the US! Go take your meds.
– We have 1.5 Billion people in India. United states is only 330 million.
– My calculation is that its 5 people to 1 military advantage.
– Mexicans and all Latinos will be on our side, as will be the case of Blacks.
So we will invade America easily.
This is done deal.
LOL India is an ally with the U.S...and even if you were serious, your 1.5 billion people would be about half that in a matter of seconds via mushroom cloud.
what junk is middle east,why so many millions of muslims are scared of 4million jews?
muslims are not very smart but aggressive, the jews are gonna sort them out!!!
pakistanis invented salwaar lady pants .. so its easy for soldiers to surrender and run away ..
pakistanis will soon reach the sun .. we will step on sun and mars in 2017
This is "For Your Eyes Only". TOP SECRET.
Pakistan invented cars , planes , cell phones , hospitals , pakistani was 1st human to be on the sun by 2017.
we pakistanis soon will take over the universe ..
India is the land of Winners. We import oil from Iran for cheap.
United States is the land of Losers. You are going to war..... Russia will be happy.
You sir, are a troll.
Dear–it just makes you look ignorant when you try to characterize an entire country as "winners" or "losers".
Remember–you would not be on the Internet at all without America and your children would be dead without the vaccines we invented.
we pakistan can take over the world in 2 hours 2 min .. pakistan is ruled the world for 7000 years and there were no wars .. pakistan will take over america and europe in 2013 middle of april ..
Not sure about the world...but per recent book published ... India programmed to be taken out in (EIGHT) seconds. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT !!!
How about we just have a massive world war, everyone use nukes.. and whomever is left standing might be able to make a new world. Provided they dont die from fallout or eat radioactive yummies. Maybe then we can learn a lesson on warmongering. Just sayin.
India and our buddy Russia is planning the invasion of America. We already control 90% of IT in United States. Don't worry United States we will give you nice Bollywood movies to watch.
all you can do is throw curri. your army is crap. and our army can take russia anyday. russia had 300 nukes in the 60's while we had close to 3000. look it up its facts. now. do you really wanna start a war with us? we'll have plenty of nukes left for you guys=) while u only have 12 little toy ones=)
Leave it to Pakistan.They will take us Indians out in EIGHT seconds !!!! 8 SECONDS..FOLKS !!!! Run for cover !!!
we pakistanis just dont marry anyone we believe in our culture and family values and we support marriges between siblings and cousins .. we like to keep our traditions and values with in our community
The Sri Ram Sene was one of the most active groups that launched a series of attacks on Christians and their property in and around Mangalore city in the southern state of Karnataka in August-September 2008, according to a report, “The Ugly Face of Sangh Parivar,” published by the People’s Union of Civil Liberties (PUCL), in March 2009. In Jabalpur city in the central state of Madhya Pradesh, suspected extremists from the Abhinav Bharat attacked the Rhema Gospel Church on Sept. 28, according to the Global Council of Indian Christians. They had earlier attacked Pastor Sam Oommen and his family in the same city on Aug. 3.
The Hindu Dharam Sena in India has become especially terrifying for Christians and Jews in Jabalpur. Between 2006 and 2008, Jabalpur was plagued by at least three anti-Christian attacks every month, according to The Caravan magazine. In the western state of Gujarat and other parts of the country, the Rashtriya Jagran Manch has also violently attacked Christians, according to news website Counter Currents
Goodness that is eye opening indeed.
or you just like screwing your cousins. hell, you pakistanis arent even in this. this is between iran and israel. stfu and stay out of it
Get it?
PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
T bone
by gate way
you mean arsshole?
It is sad that we all thought that Bush invaded Iraq to get the people resposible for 9/11...but it turned out he did it for the love of Israel..now Israel want Iran gone as well using our money and our troops...
Just yapping and yapping without anything to back up your nonsense, is a total waste of everyone's time.
We in India support Russia only. Our military and politicians support Russia too. When Russia invades America, India will be so happy!!
you got that right salwaar walker ... we Indians rule all muzzies and americans 🙂
We will invade America one day with our USSR buddies!!
"Experimental Democracy" has failed in India. An experiment that was being shoved down India's throat by western countries too eager to propagate their own values on a country that was trying to decolonize itself while trying to shed the communist skin of being a Soviet ally. India was thus trapped. What has become evident now is that this "Experimental Democracy" has marginalized the country. The marginalized groups of the country – Dalits and ‘backward’ castes/classes, indigenous ‘tribal’ people and religious minorities have been disenfranchised. "The belief that corruption is the important issue in the country is shared only by the minority living in urban areas and towns who have been beneficiaries of economic liberalization policies mandated by western countries. The most important challenges of Indian society remain as follows: justice, social and economic equality and equal access to certain standards of life for all Indians. “While India seems too eager to please its western masters and put on a progressive and softer face for CNN for public consumption, people see through it. The consequences of this "Band – Aid" approach will be brutal for India geo-politically when it realizes that the GDP statistics that it has been relying to gage its progress has not amounted to much in the long run.
Israel is warning Iran or else Israel wiill strike Iran with their nukes...so Iran better get ride of their nukes...I can not stand Israel and the Jews any more...yes...I am anti-semtic the same you jews are Muslim haters here....
Anti-semitism is hating Jews for their Jewishness.
Hating Jews for their warmongering is not anti-Semitic. It's just antiwar. The fact that they are Jews is beside the point.
Tell that to the Jewish people.....
go worry about your muslims brethren, they're slaughtering each other in Syria and soon to be in Egypt.
Don't worry about JEWS, they've been around before you and your kind and will outlive you and your kind.
"my kind"...you mean the human kind...your jewish kind is an insult to this world...the black tumor on this earth...you will never outlive a bug....
we pakistanis owen this world .. we are most educated and rich people 1st 100 billionaires are from Pakistan
we invented cars , cell phone , showres , planes in 1500 ad ... what have you white pple ever invented?
The bottom line is that the only way to have peace in Afghanistan and lessen regional tension is split India into pieces. It has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
as an American of Pakistani decent...please shut up
India poses a clear and present danger to the regional security of the world. ...to USA...NATO...Pakistan and Afghanistan people and armed forces. Hindu cult extremism is on the rise and fanning all terrorism worldwide. Indians are the bankers to and financing terrorism and supporting Talibans and Al Qaeda and harboring them in India. These terrorists are being entertained in the Indian parliament building in New Delhi where they are residing and then smuggled over to Pakistan in Indian Army helicopters. Shame on these Indians. Like the NAZI's they need to be stopped forcefully and immediately
Before you claim your intelligence, learn to spell properly first. Right now, you're just making yourself look like an idiot.
Then why not use these items?
Hey pakistan...you guys invented planes to fly them into buildings and cars to fill them with C4 and drive them into crowds....how about you shut the hell up...and learn that your country is millions of square miles of dirt, while our country is nice and industrialized=) go crap in a hole in the ground. ill just sit here on my shiny toilet=)
In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.
man are you wrong, and you make the rest of your country look like morons. FRANCE invented the car you idiot, the first 100 people on the billionaires list are americans, there is not one pakistani on the list, the though of flight was been described for centuries, impossible to pinpoint who thought of it first, but yet it was an AMERICAN to first fly a powered aircraft. you are an ignorant fool who knows nothing but what the state run propaganda machine feeds you. for such a "great" country, they sure love us dollars, especially the millions we give you so the poor n your country can eat.
Dear Israel, Thank you for flushing the USA down your middle eastern toilet bowl, sincerely, America
i see alot of my fellow Americans are waking up.....its nice to see ...i personally hate to see our president bow down to Satanyahu every few months
Yeah, but if you haven't noticed, President Obama is the first one in a long time that the Israelis have not been able to bully into backing whatever play they want to make. Unfortunately, the President's hands are tied by Congress with all the money they get from the Israeli Lobbying groups.
Muslims contribution to the world, A BIG ZERO. Oh sorry, forgot, their contribution consists of slaughtering each other when they aren't terrorizing the world. Honor killings, that too.
Dear the rest of the Middle East, thank you for your ZERO contributions to humanity for the past 800 years. Sincerely, another American.
Mumbai and Chennai are the illegal cricket gambling capitals of the world. Cash Flows from these operations are being siphoned off by the Indian government to finance terrorists globally, particularly in the region. This off the book financing is also being used, in the case of sales of illegal booze, to finance terrorism. This way the indians are able to dodge the american financial radar.The american congressional politicians have been alerted to the double game Indians are playing.
An attack on Iran is imminent! The negotiations will fail as they always have. The chess board is set up for a show down. That's just the way it is.
Yeah we'll see about that.
This is the undoing of Obama as pres. When Israel attacks within a couple of weeks and Obama sits and does nothing to intervene, with his finger up his tuckus, he will loose as many as 20,000,000 of the popular voters in this country. That will be well over enough to keep him from getting re-elected. He will lose to Romney and handily so!
I hope you are right, Darshowitz. Our country can't take 4 more years of an extreme liberal in office.
As long as President Obama tells Bibi that we will not back his play, the Israelis will sit on their thumbs. Without our permission they will be all bluff. The only way President Obama will back this is if we have agreements from Russia and China that they will not "favor" a retaliation. But as long as both countries need Iranian oil, that ain't gonna happen.
to Israhell i must say....F U you country of terrorist land grabbers
Anti-Semitic much, Ghostman?
no...just know the world would be alot better off if the Jewish converts stayed the F in Europe
Ma man you a fellow Indian hindu in sheep's clothing. What say you?
Pakistan. The country that had the world's worst terrorist hiding right under it's military's nose and didn't know it.
DEMISE OF INDIA: The aftermath of Afghanistan invasion
The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2million continue hiding in the trenches scared from Talibans. A few teenage Talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power. The Talibans brought them down in a few days with some BB guns. It is all over for India. Its demise is in process and should be completed with Afghanistan withdrawal.
It's time to stop being proud and admit that China/Russia have the last word. They can and will use force against us and Israel, and they have a very good chance of being successful. Don't be foolish.
Gimme a break. This is just liberal fear mongering. If Israel takes out Iran's nuclear capacity, China and Russia will issue a stern diplomatic rebuke. And that's it.
"If Israel takes out this blah, blah, blah then Russia and China will issue a diplomatic warning" Did Russia and China give you guarantees about this or is it just that you "will" it to be so?
The cost of war with Iran would be more than a trillion dollars.
The cost of exterminating all Jews in America would be about $50 billion.
That's a $950 billion difference. It's not a hard decision to make.
Wow. Just wow. You sound just like Hitler, RealismToday.
Just being realistic and pragmatic. The American economy is already troubled. It would be far cheaper and wiser to exterminate the Jews than to go to war with Iran. It's the only realistic policy for rational minds.
And what if someone came to the same conclusion about whatever racial/ethnic/religious group YOU are a member of, RealismToday? What then?
Well then I would probably try to get my ethnic group to stop trying to trick America into war again, rather than assisting in such devious efforts. But if I were to assist in those efforts, then I would deserve extermination and would not complain.
There is already an 'Islamic Bomb' held by a more volatile country than Iran. Pakistan. Iran with a nuke is nothing to cheer about – but warmongers in the late 40's said that the Soviet Union with a bomb was worth going to war over, it was guaranteed armageddon... Didn't happen that way. Iran is cautious and predictable (more so than the Israelis; ask suvivors of the USS Liberty). Iran is geo-political opponent for sure, but not one that we ought to attack or invade.
The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult in India that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.
Wow. I have some indian friends. Never thought something this dark Ages could still happen. This is indeed barbaric.
How many Jews does it take to go to war with Iran?
None. They get America to do it for them. LOL!
Hahahaha! That was hilarious!
Ever hear of a little operation that took place in 1981 called "Operation Opera"?
There are these really great things made of paper, called books. You should read one some time.
So...who provided all those weapons? US. Who helped Israel's Six-day war and other conflicts? US...I think you should read some books about what's going on behind of the curtain. Just saying...
I wouldn't make such a statement if I didn't read. Unlike any other of the world recipients of US aid, Israel pays the US back with technology, intelligence, training, military bases. Information is the most valuable commodity, and Israel has plenty of information to offer the US in return.
Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglass Feith, Irving Libby.
What they have in common:
1. They were all in the Defense Department under Bush.
2. They all worked very hard to get the US to go to war with Iraq.
3. They are all Jews.
Ooooo, conspiracy theories.
Since when is listing indisputable facts considered 'conspiracy theory'?? Nothing in the list is untrue.
And what was the rest of the Dept. of Defense doing while these 4 "Jews" were hard at work?
I hope someday I'll turn on the news and see a giant mushroom cloud over Tel-Aviv. Then maybe they'll learn to stop being bullies and sending in 'gentiles' to do their dirty work for them.
Wow, you want to see millions of Jews get killed? Congratulations John, you sound just like Hitler!
And the day that happens, the world will lose a ton of great minds. Technological/Scientific advancements will slow down to a halt. In the meanwhile monkeys will slowly evolve to a point where their intelligence exceeds that of the human race. And earth will be known as planet of the apes!
Ok, newYorker, so you think rest of us are worth much as you or other Jewish? That's what you are saying? Talk about selfish a mindset there...wow...wonder why so many haters. Last time I checked, most of high tech and new inventions were coming from US and Asia! Wake UP!
First of all, I was being sarcastic. I am sorry if my response flew over your head. Second, the last time you checked must have been a very very very long time ago. Because Here are a few facts you should know about Israel:
1. Israel has the highest concentration of engineers in the world—135 per 10,000 people, compared to 85 per 10,000 people in the United States.
2. Israel ranks the highest in percentages of economic output countries devote to R&D investment.
3. Israel ranks 4th on the Global Technology Index chart – pretty impressive for a country of it's size.
You know what really is selfish? The fact that the entire middle east fights and kills in the name of religion, trying to force it's beliefs on others. While one tiny country is doing things different, and succeeding. And instead of trying to learn from it, and educate the younger generations, they teach hatred and violence to achieve personal agendas.
First off Germany has made the most progress with any science then any Jew remember the holocaust? Not only those but many more you really need to start reading more. You open any biology, physics, chemistry book Germans are the most credited.... Stupid Jew you think to much of yourselves that's the problem with you all and why everyone hates you your no better then anyone else we are all the same just our genes aren't trained with evil. You killed our savior!!
Diaspora? Even if you killed every Zionist in Israel the orthodox Jews living in diaspora around the globe would survive just fine. It is too often ignored that the Zionist is to the Orthodox Jew as the Islamic Extremist is to the Muslim.
Israel is run by religious xenophobes exactly the same as Iran.
Peres: "I think time is out because they continue to build the bomb." That's right, Israel. Keep sticking your finger in the cage. You will eventually have to answer to China and Russia, idiots.
If Israel takes out Iran's nuclear capacity, China and Russia will issue a stern diplomatic reprimand. And that's it.
Iran's facilities are not going to be so easy to take out and even if Israel is successful at doing that what good will it do. As soon as Israel attacks Iran the whole middle east goes up in flames and Israel's own destruction is assured. Containment worked with the Soviets and it will HAVE to work with any other country that succeeds in obaining nuclear weapons. Let Iran have their nukes then make it clear what will happen to them if they ever use them. That is the only hope that Israel has of surviving into the next century.
The bloodthirsty Jews are at it again.
Anti-Semitic much, Girls?
Mark my words down. Israel cannot do jack....! It needs its babysitter US to do all of the attacking and providing Israel with financial and military aid to "defend itself". That is what always Israel has done. Behind the scenes, US has provided more money and military aid to Israel than any other country.
Also, in a war like this, Israel is trying to get US to attack Iran.
they COULD have done something 10 years ago if bush the dolt hadnt been blocking the air space with his invasion of Iraq for no reason at all
Roads to all evil in this world lead to New Delhi, India. Keep an eye.
Gimme a break. India is largely Hindu, a very peaceful religion, unlike islam.
ARE INDIANS UBER TERRORISTS OR WHAT???? Forget the GDP, focus on these murder statistics.
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.
i just called phone support and the dude read off the que card that that is not true after consulting his manager cue card
When will Israel stop BARKING and start BITING?
If military action against Iran was a viable alternative Israel and America would already have done that!
Peres failed to convince the world let alone the Iranians!
Bunch of incompetent cowards!
Israel COULDNT act when it needed too cuz bush the dolts invasion of iraq blocked the air space.... and since bush the dolts invasion of iraq TANKED US approval throughout the world allowing Israel through US Controlled air space would have made it gravely worse..... so thank bush the dolt the great id iot of history.
The mid east is nothing but a bunch of crazy fools. You all depend on the U.S for everything. If I had it my way we shouldn't give you a darn thing ever. But the difference between American's and the Mid east is we feel sorry for the woman and children in your countries who are poor and your Govt. makes no effort to help your own people.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
Land that we love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
And to the oceans, white with foam
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
What does this article have to do with Pakistan?
PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.....
Refer to my post below. Hope it clarifies. Where have you been?
F off!!! That is the problem. You Pakistanis do a lot of saber rattling and lots of shallow chanting, but completely destroy yourself own self and your country. Ever checked where the most corrupt people are?? Ever checked where there is the most bribery?? Ever checked the poverty level?? Ever checked how the women rights are violated??
Yeah sure, you "love your Pakistan". If that is what you call love then rest of the world needs to hate their own country. Shallow and dumb idi0t.
you sound like an angry frickin Jew
Sadly Gandhi
Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports:
INDIA:::: Some Alarming Statistics: (Source: UNDP)
• 1/3rd world’s poor is in India. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $ 2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa.
• 828 million people or 75.6% of the Indian population is living below $2 a day. 42% of the population is living below the new international poverty line.
• 33% of the global poor are Indians. Sub-Saharan Africa considered the world’s poorest region is better than India.
• 41.8% of the rural population survive with monthly per capita consumption expenditure of Rs447 ($7)on essential necessities like food, fuel, light and clothing.
Im an American of Pakistani decent and i must say...YOU ARE A FRICKIN MORON!!!
NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination……
She said so little was known about the atrocities being committed by more than half a million Indian troops, the continuing repression and indignities let loose on Kashmiri men, women and children.
More than 700,000 troops were concentrated in the tiny valley, with checkpoints at every nook and corner of Kashmiri towns and cities. The huge Indian presence, she added, was in sharp contrast with 160,000 US troops in Iraq.
If Iran is a real danger to Israel. Israel should take care of the problem.
Iran is a real danger to America, too. The government sponsors annual "Death to America" rallies, they call us the Great Satan, and so on. A nuke in the hands of these extreme lunatics is scary.
their chance to do it swiftly vanished when bush the dolt invaded Iraq putting US in control of the air space they needed to attack from..... hence why Israel is trying to get a deal with Saudi Arabia for an air base to launch from
isreal rocks
There's a typo in your comment. It should be Israel = rocks.
Agreed, Andrews, Israel is awesome.
Agreed Petercha – it's awesome in its HYPOCRISY.
Good lord, can we get rid of these warmongering Jews, already?
"Get red of"? YOU sound like the warmongerer here, Disanitnodicos.
Sounds like more warmongering. Pray for peace
israel will drag America into a war with Iran so deep and so fast, then step back and wait for us to clean it up for them. Why? Because jews are ALWAYS instigators, never warriors..
Remember this:
US Soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan: 6500
israeli soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan: 0
jews hide, Americans die.
jews = cowards
Anti-Semitic much, Lamshade?
Petercha, do you have any reply to criticism of Israel other than "anti-semitic much?" You are a typical Israel-firster who would be happy to have the USA do Israel's dirty work. Israel should fight their own wars, or better yet, cut a peace deal.
how young is this poster who doesn't know that the US has never lost a soldier fighting for israel? Little israel destroyed the arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 all by itself and picked up billions worth of russian arms left in the desert as the "brave" muslim warriors ran and hid behind their women and children
No jews are smart enough to only go where required.If you wish to allow your sons & daughters to dance with IEDs and come home limbless or dead while the bottled water companies and Boeing get rich good for you. We tend to value our souls a little more.You won't find us hanging out nation building either for decades.You blame and scorn us? For what your poor choices in conflicts and management-ah but that is SO American. You play world Police Officer and then do not like picking up the check that goes with it. Look in the mirror for blame-when it comes time to dance stay out of our way.
wisdom goes a long ways..can even save lives..blood money never saves only destroys
"Cowards", lamshade ?
As set forth below, Israel won wars in '48, '56, 67, 73 & 82.
Remember Entebbe ?
Israel has NEVER asked for American soldiers – NEVER.
Americans...BRAVE Americans, gave their lives for EVERY country in Europe..but you dont mention that, do you ?
Americans gave their lives for KUWAIT, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN.....but NEVER for Israel.
You're a sick, ignorant fool.
And the relation between Israel and Iraq and Afghanistan is???
Oh, right, Israel did the dirty work for the rest of the world and destroyed Saddam's nuclear dreams. However, did any US citizen suffered from Saddam's missiles?
Besides, if Iran goes nuk so does the Saudies, Turkey and Egypt.
And guess what, they aaaaalllll love America!
USA is the arm of Israel, they infiltrated us LONG AGO... ask Lieberman who he supports.... Gary Ackerman, howard berman, blumenthal, boxer, cardin, franken, feinstein, kohl, lautenberg, levin, sanders, schumer, wyden, waxman, frank, engel, lowey, filner, nadler, rothman,berkely, schakowsky, sherman, cantor, davis, isreal, schitt, schwartz, schultz, cohen, yarmuth, polis, deutch, cicilline..... yeah congress is going to do so much against isreal when it is full of its citizens.
Pakistan is next super power we will back iran ..we own the world now ,,we got most billionares and best weapons
not a single country can touch us.. Americans are licking our feet to survive ..long live pakistan
Thanks for the laugh!
Right on See my post below.
@Pakistan – Superpower hahahah. Very funny that we snuck into your contry at night, avoiding radar, and assasinating Bin Laden 500 yards from your Military, then disappeard into the night without anyone EVER knowing we were there. We made a telephone call the next day to inform your GOV'T. You stupid Paki, we will wipe your country out and shut communications down in less than 72 hours. KNOW THIS!
lol, a couple of helicopters sent to the heart of the central military training city in Paki-land went undetected until after the mosquito was splatted and cruised on back to Afghan territory before the Pakistone Kops even knew what happened. Too rich.
PAKISTAN !!!!
THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.
Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.
No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.
Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
You deserve a permanent seat in the UN Security Council for your contributions to world peace and emergence of a new world order. We welcome your rise as the new regional military power. God Speed.
yo inbred loser this forum is about your father isreal and iran , So get the f0ck out
PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.
Israel can do all of the saber rattlling while America will do all of the fighting and all of the monetary aid as well as military aid to Israel.
That is only what Israel is waiting for. They are trying to scare and blackmail the US so that US gets on-board with attacking Iran.
Keep dreaming!!! You think people are buying all of that nonsense?? Pakistan is ranked the worst country to invest in and also the most corrupt.
Pakistan is ranked one of the most corrupt, unjust and unfair countries in the world with no judicial system and impoverished people get crushed. Zardari is a president right?? He is taking all of the money from impoverished people and putting it in his own bank.
That is a FACT!!! that your country has so much debt (even after so much was pardoned back in 2000) that your country was merely surviving on US aid. Now that Obama is ending all military and financial aid to Pakistan, you guys are going to get choked because you have no money you can blow away on corrupt politicians.
Haha, we look forward to your continuing sacrifices.
i so hope iran and isreal wipe each other off the earth
If they wipe each other out they may just wipe out you, too. Radioactive isotopes stay around for a long time. Some settle in the soil, water and destroy what's there. The rest travels with the wind. Do you have air where you are? There are more important situations at stake then your immature wish to have two countries that don't get along destroy each other.
Interesting comment. Of the two countries only Israel has the bomb! Yes they can make the world a mess.
There goes Israel again rattling our sabers... When are we going to stop giving this war mongering nation money??
Yes, $4,200 per man woman and child in aid
You seem to off a decimal point. $3.2B in aid, 7.8M population is $410.25 per year or $1.12 per day. WOOHOO, a cup of 7-11 coffee. Man, the Israelis are really sucking the US dry.
Sorry, you are off a decimal point. US aid to Israel works out to about $410 per man, woman and child. $3.2B in aid, 7.8M population.
muslim apologists in NH? the islamic center recruits in NH? ...........ooooooooo iran and muslims good, jews and Israel bad...........oooooooooooooo time to change your pants again?
China will never allow it. Iran is the stumbling block for western control while China continues to build roads behind it to Pakistan and India for trade. It will be WWIII if Israel attempts to topple Iran.
WW III? LOL. I have no words for this. It wouldn't be a war. Tehran would be vapourized – no issues there.
And Russia and China would in-turn launch...I don't know why but I don't find that a laughing matter...
WWIII? Gimme a break. Talk about fear mongering liberalism.
Fear Mongering liberalism? LOL. Well okay there Tex. I'd rather have that and not have at the very least ANOTHER massive regional conflict that very well COULD spiral into something larger. Dolt.
Israel doesn't care about anyone's opinion on this. Israel only cares about 1 thing, survival and will do what ever is necessary to defend themselves who threaten to destroy and wipe them off the map.
Israel is at the mercy of americans. So long as they keep on doing as they are told, they will keep on surviving.
Quite the opposite
Derek:
When one's survival is at stake, they are at the mercy of NO ONE, simply because they have nothing to LOSE.
To those who say that the U.S> should stop supporting Israel, let's look at the ramifications.
This is not 1948, or 56, or 67.
Her Neighbors are better armed and outnumber Israel 200-1 on the battlefield.
If Israel is attacked (again) on all sides, she cannot win a "conventional" war...which means she has to use "other" options.
Would you LIKE paying 20.00 for a gallon gas ?
As they should. If they've grown a pair, the warnings should be taken seriously. They have the tech that Iran doesn't. Iran should recognize that. Why do you think that filthy unwashed swine, who is letting his people become impoverished because of his duma$$ ideas, Imadinnerjacket, is stepping down?
Your are clueless about Palestine , they already have a state , its called Jordan and Egypt however they dont want the likes of these lazy, obese terrorist and will not them back where they belong.
After unsuspectingly financing the Talibans all these years, Indians are now apparently providing Talibans with briefcase nuclear technology. There will be no peace till these Indians are neutralised.
USA is keeping close to them. They are on to it. Israel controls India's internal security apparatus.
and all intelligence organizations also
so true Indians rule pakistanis and taliban ..finally you all know Hindus are your masters 🙂
Yeah. You'd think after all this time they'd have mastered the use of toilet paper, soap and a washclloth too, but that hasn't happened. Go back to reading that book of brainwashing crap, the koran.
If Israel decides to go to war they will do so with the knowledge that the full military power of the United States is theirs for the asking.Israel controls all the main players located in the United States,media,banking system and government.Nothing is done in the US unless and until Tel Aviv approves it.Look at the number of elected Jews sitting in Congress,appointed to the Supreme court and working in the Federal Reserve.For such a small per centage of the population to have so many positions of authority is unreal.
Don't forget the State Dept and Cabinet positions.
Americans have the government they want.
You are probably one of the most bigoted, ingnorant people I've had the displeasure of hearing. You must own a first edition, signed copy of the Elders of Zion.
The reason that we Jews appear in the banking, government, sciences, media, etc., disporportionately to our extremely small percentage of the overall population has nothing to do with our influence, and everything to do with our culture of education and caring.
Why don't you do all of us a favor and take your swatzika, jackboots, and shiny black uniform and go back to Germany with the rest of your Nazi buddies...Oh wait, even they realize the stupidity of your thinking.
"everything to do with our culture of education and caring"
Tell that to the 34 US sailors deliberately murdered aboard the USS Liberty.
"You are probably one of the most bigoted, ingnorant people I've had the displeasure of hearing. "
He's bigoted because he told the truth? LOL. Relax BROMBERG.
Let's not forget all the doctors, scientists, researchers, scholars, Nobel prize winners... What's your point?
They are intelligent people, and intelligent people usually fulfill important roles.
Israel was in the same situation in 1981 with Iraq's nuclear reactor. Similar to today, back then the world was against an Israeli military response. Israel went on with their plans, and no other country went to war for Israel. Similarly there was a mysterious attack on Syria's nuclear facilities in 2007, and again no other country had to go to war for Israel over it.
Our war in Iraq was for the benefit of Israel and it failed. The result was to make Iran more powerful a real mistake leading to the present confusion. An attack on Iran by any one will be a disaster as the price of oil will be $300.00 a barrel immediately causing a world wide depression. Iran can curtail Saudi production in a few hours and the world will not be happy. Fine targets 100 miles across the gulf. We should be very careful!
Wrong, the war on Iraq was in the US's personal interest. During the first gulf war, the US attacked Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. The move was in support of it's key oil supplier and ally, Saudi Arabia.
Israel was actually attacked as a result of the US's intervention, because of the close relationship both countries share.
So unless you have something of value to share, keep your silly thoughts to yourself.
well put
actually your unverified and unsubstantiated allegations are "unreal" but coming from a muslim apologist quoting from PLO newsletters and propagating the "big lie" until it is hopefully believed, not unexpected. you spew crap and your agenda is clear "jimmy". go back to your hookah.
You idiot. Jews also have disproportionately more Novel prizes than other ethnic groups. Why is that? BECAUSE THEY'RE SMART!!! We've known this for ages, ever since they wrote the Torah. They can't help being smart, hard workers, who reach the higher positions in society that you've already mentioned. Don't blame them. Instead, do something innovative yourself!
No, Pavel..it's NOT because they are smarter.
It's because their upbringing mandates EDUCATION; they graduate, instead of hanging in the hood. They PUT needles in people's arms for medical reasons, and not in their OWN, for recreational reasons. They're STUDYING at night, instead of partying. They take JOBS, instead of relying on welfare. They JOIN and LEAD society from a very young age, instead of using the victim mentality to sponge of society. They realize that the pen IS mightier than the sword, and go after the "pen" with a vengeance.
Pakistan.....the UK hates you , the curry smell may be the reason, you soccer teams sting cause every time you get a corner you open a shop. Ignorance and suicide bomber are the only thing Muslims invented.The GREAT INDIA will soon destroy you.
looks like you adopted ignorance as your own.
No more drum of war. Why can't we get along.
Once you level Tehran with nukes, the war is over.
Israel was placed in the Middle East as an irritant with two missions: create higher oil prices through fear, conflict and military action, and to sell US and its own arms -it is the second largest arms producer after the US.
hookah smoke inspires you to surrealism apparently, your name is apt, your comments are crap.
In my fantasy, a President will balls says to Israel, you know re-election isn't worth it; first of all, there will be a Palestinian State, and secondly, you will get rid of your nukes if you expect Iran not to have them. Afterall, you have threatened Iran with war as much as they have threatened you. If you don't like it, realize you only have one ally in the world.
How can you tell a group of people that they should get rid of their nukes when they are the ones that made it possible for the world powers to have nukes when all this started back in the 1930's-1940's. Germany would have had nukes way ahead of everyone else if they had not been eradiacting their jewish population.
Palestinian = Arab. It will be just another Arab Muslim state that hates the USA. A President with balls will tell the Palestinians to go back to Saudia Arabia (the place they came from) and would defend the Jews, Christians, and non-Muslim groups in the Middle East from Islamic genocide.
Examples of Islamic genocide btw are the Coptics in Egypt (The native Egyptians from the B.C. era) who the Arabs are killing off in their own nation. The Assyrians in Iraq who were the natives of Iraq during the B.C. era. The Armenians in Turkey. The Zorastrians in Iran. The Christian groups in Lebanon and Syria. All victims of Islamic genocide, in the case of some of these people (the Assyrians for example), 90% of their population has been killed over time.
Uh...BigSir ? Careful ! Your IGNORANCE is showing.
You DO know, dont you..that Eschol, in '48 ACCEPTED the 2-state solution and the Arabs refused right ? You DO know that every Israeli leader has accepted a 2-state solution right ? Including Netanyahu 18 months ago at the U.N...right ?
Israel would completely destroy Iran, they have been preparing this for years now and no one prepares better than the Israeli armed forces. Their technology is unsurpassed and their determination is unmatched.Remember Syria and Egypt attacked them in 1967 and Israel was not prepared but still took only 6 day to completely defeat them thus taking control of Gaza, Siani, for some reason they gave them back. The defeat showed how incompetent the Arabs were and it was humiliating .I don't thing Iran would risk such humiliation .
You are clueless about how the war started:
"After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields."
BIGSUR:
Israel attacked Jordan, Syria and Egypt because they were running a covert war against Israel, sending in Palestinians to bomb, kill and terrorize the Israeli population. There was more than enough evidence to establish this to the point that the UN issued a proclamation that they could not support Israel's "Reprisal attacks" against their neighbors. So the nation states of the UN acknowledged that the Israeli attacks were reprisals for attacks their neighbors were supporting inside the Israeli borders.
In addition, the Arab nations were amassing their troops on the Israeli border while Jordan even went as far as to allow Iraqi troops to position themselves for an offensive. The USSR didn't help things by providing the Arab nations with intel that was inaccurate about Israeli troop locations which further fueled the border build up by the arab nations. So once the Suez Canal was closed to Israel, the Arab attack looked imminent, Israel made the first official military strike to knock out their enemy's air capabilities.
There's a big difference from the examples you're stating and this situation. First of all Iran hasn't and has never attacked Israel. Claiming that Israel is defending itself is laughable. Defending itself from what exactly? From a non attack from Iran?? Israel might have won wars of defense against some countries. That does not translate into it succeeding in a war of choice with Iran. You argument is a non sequitur.
we muslims invented cell phones, trees ,cars , wheels, colors,wheel chairs in 500AD
never fought anyone lived in peace all you whites are cry babies did we ever asked for anything we only want all women to be covered on beaches and swimming pools
The invasions into Europe under the Ottoman caliphates, a bit like the Muslim version of the Romans. Islam has been spread by the sword, like Christianity, but more so.
isreal got power and money ...enemy got puzzies and lady pants called salwaars
Israel secretly built a bomb and pretends not to have it to this day. They built, they provoked and they assume the world is made of fools. So why wouldn't their neighbors?
grow b@lls do something about it and stop bitc**ing
Maybe because that small country was attacked by 3 million Arabs? Just maybe?
Hahaha...Israel asks for compliance??? Let's see your facilities...jew.
Actually, they were given the bomb by the United States.
"I think time is out because they continue to build the bomb. They continue to do things which are contrary to the UN provisions, to the atomic center of Geneva. They build, the provoke. The continue to enrage the Iranians. You cannot provoke the world assuming the world is made of fools only."
Is he talking about Israel?
What have you been smoking? The USA *gave* them the bomb. Learn some history.
we muslims invented nukes, missiles,fire and airplanes in 1600
all you whites dont have any science and culture . come to uk and see how we muslims live in harmony with each other
Man, this is a classic.
You mean like the subway bombs?
you'd think with all that invention and $, you'd have money to buy a $0.20 bar of soap, a $2.00 bottle of shampoo and WASH, you filthy moo-slums.
isreal already have nukes and if iran thinks pakistans so called china made nukes going to help em ?HAHAH not going to happen pakistanis would sell there mothers for money and they dont have balls to go against americans
what is wrong with all the muslim countries why cant they live in harmony? all they know is kill and put tents over there women
Because harmony to them is when they've converted everone to Islam, or killed them.
This is in the koran or whatever that piece of a$$-wipe is called. Believe-it.
Why can't you get an education?
JK
you are right son all muslims are big Jokes
Arab, Persian, KKK, Nazis, and all those who seek to get their way with others by the threat and /or the use of violence believe in their hearts that if they don't get to use such methods to force their bidding on others, God will punish us for non-violence.
Israel can probably cripple much of the Iranian defenses within minutes of the wars. This however, is fully irrelevant. The language being used with Iran serves to humiliate a proud nation, and will NOT serve any purpose save to ignite a war. Why is Putin with Mahmoud and not Obama or Peres? Perhaps constructive dialog can break the stalemate.
Because Peres is already mentally at war with Iran and Obama needs to redirect the Jewish money, which is already
going to Romney.
muzzzzies are ashames of there cowardness...who is there super power pakistan ????.. ROLF
hahahahah
wow you're so intelligent. You can't even spell ROFL right....
Actually he meant ROLF. He's rolling on his laptop, farting....
Those f***g israelis BETTER NOT get us into another war by attacking Iran.
Have they never heard of detente? it worked well for decades with the Soviets, why are the Israelis unable to cope? Why do they feel that we Americans are obligated to give our treasure and children's lives for them?
I am so sick and tired of being forced to support Israel, when clearly, they are not blameless in this whole mess.
yuck
So Tim, you'd rather Iran nuke Israel? Because that is their leader (I'm a Nut Job)'s plan. Remember Hitler in WW2? Iran's leader is the next Hitler. Israel will not allow her people to be murdered a second time.
Amen, Carm!
Hahahahaha... I thought Saddam was the next Hitler (according to GHWB in 1990), and then it was Hugo Chavez, now it is Iran's figurehead president? You people are a joke. You are the next Goebbels.
Tim would actually rather you stop LYING and asking false questions. "Iran nuking Israel.."??? Tim never implied that in his entire post. You claiming that's what Iran wants is likewise invalid and irrelevant. You haven't proved it. You just say/claim it. If you could have proven it you would have. You can't.
Why, when was the last time Israel got us into a war?
The US invaded Iraq for oil and to benefit Israel.
This was planned and supported by the majority of US Zionists, in particular notably Perle, Feith and Wolfowitz.
muzzies only know to kill each other shia and sunni kill each other more then any other community...
billions of muzzies cant even contriol 4 millions jews ..its a shame
You sound scared brah.
sure girl 🙂
now cover ur face in black bed sheet
Ha ha ha, did you forget Ireland? Catolicks and CofEs? 1WW, 2WW ? were they not mainly christians fighting each other? what the hell has silly religions got to do with wars? no matter what religion!!
Where's Rockem Sockem Menachim (Begin)when you need him
When is the US going to cut its support for Isreal? Its about time.
It is well past-due. The time for cutting off their welfare came when they attacked the U.S.S. Liberty.
There it is, can't have a story on Israel without the US Liberty mentioned.
Tom-the-tool.
Really, now.
Keep bringing up something that happened over 40 years ago which has been shown, time and again, to have been an accident.
C'mon...you can do better than a 40 year old incident, cant you ?
Dropping support for Israel is not in any American's interest.
muzzies living in dream of invading the world but they need to stop fighting with each other shia and sunni clashes kill more then 100 k muslims every year ...if they couldnt touch isreal in last 70 years dont think they would do it in next 70 years
Again. North Korea.
It is kind of hard to attack such a small country when they are backed by a powerhouse nation like the US or China. Go make me a sandwich now.
what??? sweety make some sence Rolf
Your grammar makes me laugh. Are you in middle school still? Come back to the adult forums when you can form a proper sentence. lol.
I am Iranian and really take the threats serious BUT Israeli 's have to know that 75Million persian population never afraid of 4M coward Israelis.If we decide to attack them I don't know whether they can find any hole to scape like a rat or not(just look at their country size on map) , and we will take revenge of all innocent people they've killed.For sure they will want to escape behind their uncle ,Sam.....
you guys already live in a hole called iran ..rolf
so why do you afraid with 10,000 + nuclear bomb?And this hole is the cradle of civilization with 5000 years history compare to USA with 300 years(proud of hundreds of war in a very short term ) or more ridiculous israel with 50 +....
Except Israel already has nuclear weapons and a modern military. It is really a matter of one Israeli pushing a button to wipe 75 million of you out.
they can only push it one time , the next time they will not find a botton to push.
Persian coward ... next time there aint going to be Iran or Iraq or whatever muzzi country you belong too
So wait for rising of PERSIAN EMPIRE
I can see myself telling stories to my grandchildren about this.
Daddy, What's a Persian?
Yeah it's called imagination.
Remeber the 7 Day War... numbers don't matter, Israel will stand alone and with great power amongst the Irani terrorists.
That war was with arabs not persians
PRO ISRAEL is right. Israel has superior control and will demolish all Arab countries.
300+ million Americans could really care less about the armpit of the Earth (persia). I'm content watching Youtube videos of you people killing eachother in droves. Unfortunately, the US government doesn't represent the people, so you guys are screwed. Soon, you'll find out what it's like to be on the wrong end of a 700bn dollar annual defense budget. As much as I hate what the US military has done over the last decade, you really don't stand a chance against it.
If Iran tries to attack Israel the US will send everything we have at Iran and Iran will cease to exist as a nation, this is not a threat this is just what would happen plain an simple, then the US, Russia and China will have to decide if it worth killing each over, which I really would doubt they would. The Iran need to stand down and let the UN inspectors back in, it seem like they want to wipe out. American are tired of war so stop already dam.
haha millions of muzzies and 1 small country isreal .. midddle east needs to grow a pair
North Korea. America needs to grow a pair. OH YEAH! They are backed by China. Trololololol.
you are not making sence girl
"Sense" Please learn to spell before you try to troll me. It might give you a little more credibility.
To clarify... The Iranian people are not Arabs. For those that like to lump everyone together 😉
Still trying to confuse people with facts I see.... Everyone likes to believe that all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs – All Arabs wear (please excuse this) 'Towels' on their heads and ride camels – All Muslims are terrorists and therefore all Arabs are terrorists....
As such – Camels MUST be avoided....
Oh – and Israel is the good guy.... they have been the victim of immigration ever since they began in the late 1940's.... Theywere NEVER involved with terrorism in the area prior to the end of WWII (unless you consider bombing markets and British Police stations – When the place was British Mandate Palestine – which is strange, because everyone says that 'Palestine' never existed until AFTER Israel was recognized by the UN – And – of cousre – said recognition is the LAST time Israel ever listened to the UN....
Arab/Persian, Shiite/Sunni, it's all the same....
The bad guy is the devout muslim. Plain and simple. Get rid of the religion, you get rid of the problem – around the world.
Correct, Jason. Iranians are NOT Arabs.
There are the genetic byproduct of the unnatural union between Arabs and humans, much like a mule being the result of a horse/donkey unnatural union.
peace not war
Israel is on the verge of losing all credibility. Everyone, including Iran, knows they won't strike. Making threats without backing them up just causes you to lose face and look week and scared
this is why it is necessary to bomb the living crap out of Tehran.
your completely false that they won't strike is Israel believes Iran has gone to far they won't just strike they will wipe out cities without a single loss of life
Kevin, you have no idea what you're talking about, kid.
OH NO, you've hurt my feelings. At least I'm man enough to put my real name on here
If Canada acted against the US as Iran towards Israel even the stumbling, bumbling Peace Prize winning Obama would take care of business. The American people would demand it! What's taking Israel so long?
We have been at war for the last 11 years and you are itching for another conflict, you sir are ignorant. Individuals who yearn for war don't fight in it, or are naive about what it really is. Nuff said.
Yes, because its easy to laud a war you don't have to fight.
If Canada acted the way Iran is acting towards Israel then the POTUS would not need to do anything about it. Israel is the troublemaker in this situation. Israel wants something from Iran NOT the other way around. Iran would prefer to be left alone. Israel is trying to intimidate Iran into giving up its inalienable right to energy self reliance and Iran is rightfully dismissing it. You attempted analogy is NONSENSE.
it is already foretold long time ago that war in the middle east will happen and israel will be the center of this chaos.. let us be ready and stand firm of His coming...
Or not. Because the Bible was written by man, not a god.
Exactly....the only thing that is definite is that stupid people make stupid decisions. I think part of the problem is that because so many countries have "the bomb" or they do, but no one has used it, so people are starting to think that no one will. That could be a very serious mistake....one that all future generations might have to pay for.
Israel has been preparing itself for this moment and I believe that evan the US will be surprise at the innovations in military weapons. The prophet Isiah said Syria will destroy itself the the country of the east (Iran) will loose greatly
That's because you don't understand prophecy and make up your own interpretations to rationalize what you hope will happen.
Stop with the religious nonsense, already....OK? This has nothing to do with "His coming" !
Time is running out to deal with real issue, stolen land Perez.How long Israel is going to avoid the issue?
To he!! with Israel. America has nearly bankrupted itself fighting pre-emptive wars for that nation of vultures and parasites.
I agree with you 100feel PERCENT.
which wars were those?
Another blow-hard with no sustinence to support his conversation.
Israel would have a moral high ground if they stopped building in territory that is disputed, they would have the moral high ground if they said "we are will our allies and stand beside them". But no, it is "time is out:,
"war is coming" blah blah blah, then "some" Jewish people come on here and say how Israel will crush Iran, others talk about how eveyone that is not happy with Israel is an Arab, and better yet others say they don't need the States........ Way to issolate yourself in to a position you can't back out of, I think you will be doing this one on your own..... good luck you WILL need it.....
Look, dumba$$. Iran's so called leader has threatened the entire country to be wiped off the map. And now they're enriching uranium to weapons-grade levels. Do you really think a smart country would stand still under a threat like that? A smart country would tell Iran that their time is running out. They have the support of the USA because they're partners. The UN is condemning Iran. Iran's time IS running out, for their people due to sanctions, and for Tehran's nuclear efforts. It's not a US support thing, it's a common sense thing. The world is tired of Iran's leadership – the leadership of any country that poses a threat to the world – has got to go.
You're a LIAR. Iran's leaders NEVER said anything about wiping Israel off the map and this is a known fact. Even Deputy Israeli prime minister Dan Meridor admitted such. That's just a lie parroted by Israel Firster warmongers who don't have a case. I didn't have to read the rest of your drivel given the fact that you started off you post with a bold faced lie. You have no case.
Peres: I think time is beginning to be out, yes.
Make up your mind. Time run out or is it merely BEGINNING to be out? I thought it began some time ago, but apparently not.
I dislike what Israel is doing, and I am a white guy from Canada...... but hey convince yourself that EVERYONE that is against Israel is Arab, hummmm careful your racist is showing =)
Those of you who not only attack Israel's right to have enough to defend themselves from lunatic Middle Eastern terrorists, but who promote hatred against Israel without knowing history further than this century's, are corrupt and writing propaganda in here for the Arabs who hate Israel. Study if you want to get to the truth and do not believe that wishes of assasinating Israel are of any other than Satan's. Watch out all of you who believe Allah is your deliverer you are being blinded to fall into the slaughter while you also lose much more by hating and bringing evil to Israel. God will never leave Israel even as bad asit may look, in the end, Israel is God's people.
Well, maybe it is time for israel to support and defend itself for a change and stop being America's most expensive welfare state?
you are a fool. You have every right to an opinion but at least only provide it publicly if you know what you are talking about. The US gives billions upon billions of loans to hundreds of nations and nation states. Israel is the ONE nation that has ALWAYS repaid every dime. Secondly, you stupid buffoon, the technological partnership between Israel and the USA in terms of defense and military tek is unparalleled. Israel does not need hand outs from the US dufus. Now, just go on and say you hate jews. You would sound even less ignorant that your posts already make you.
You're a LIAR and a bigger fool and don't even recognize it. Israel doesn't pay back NOR is required to any of the FREE MONEY it gets from the US. You Israel Firsters come on here time and time again with this SLEIGHT OF HAND GIMMICK/LIE claiming that Israel pays back the money it receives. IDIOTS like you need a basic lesson in accounting. If I own a company that's running well enough that I don't need to hire anyone else and I create a position for you as a favor, it doesn't matter how well you do your job or if you put in more hours of work that I'm paying you for, it will ALWAYS be a NET LOSS for me since the position I created for you was UNNECESSARY. Trying to argue that if it benefits you it benefits me is a fool's argument.
The words of the welfare state are meaningless. Nobdy cares what Israel says or thinks. As America weakens, China and Russia gain strength both Militarily and Economically. Israel's days are numbered as America slides further down. Thank the Bush/Cheney Crime Family for this and the republican agenda.
What country has Iran ever attacked?
Israel.
OURS. Did you even watch the news the past ten years. Every single weapon and bomb used against our troops in Iraq was supplied to the resistance by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Do your research you dingle.
USSS COLE – Iranian explosives. Also, remember the hostage crisis? You know, that little thing where they attacked our embassy and took everyone inside? Man you are dense.
Ever heard of the USS Liberty? I suggest you run a quick google search on her 😉
Was that a rhetorical question or do you seriously not know history?
"charles in charge".....in charge of not knowing very much.
If Israel does attack Iran, the US should not help them. If Israel does, they will bite off more then they can handle.
Israel, stop the threat. If you think you're up to it do something about it and stop the fear-mongering. Everyone know you're making threats on behalf of the U.S because you can't do the job yourself. Iran is not a pushover.
No Iran is a not a push over- a fool yes a push over no. Iran should study history more- Israel is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.
You have that bass ackwards son. Israel is the one that's agitating and trying to stir up trouble. They are the ones that want something from Iran NOT the other way around. Iran has never attacked Israel so your anvil/hammer analogy is as irrelevant as your twisted sense of reality.
Chuck, don't underestimate the IDF or the Israeli's willingness to execute a preemptive first strike. The six-day war speaks for itself. Iran would be stupid to believe Israel wouldn't attack if they see no progress on the diplomatic front.
You're confusing the term "pre-emptive" with "unprovoked act of aggression" son. A pre-emptive strike would be if foreign troops were amassing on Israel's border to attack Israel and Israel attacked first this acting pre-emptively. Iran isn't attacking nor has ever attacked Israel nor is amassing troops on Israel's border to attack it. Rather it's going about it daily business. If Israel attacks Iran it certainly won't be for defense but rather akin to attempted theft.
What a snake, this old man is. He's using his [absolutely undeserved] reputation as a 'peace champion' to encourage war with Iran, when the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons is actually his very own Israel. How about Israel sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and join the civilized world?
So Iran ignores the treaty they signed and you blame a country that never signed the treaty? Let me put it another way- Iran breaks their own word and ignores what they said they would do, and now you suggest that Israel sign the treaty knowing that Iran lies and breaks their word? Why would you want to join a bunch of liars? Tell me has Israel attacked or supported attacking others who don't believe in some demon posed man who heard voices? At least Israel doesn’t go around trying to kill or rape everyone that doesn't believe in their prophet. Truth be told Jews are the most peaceful religion out there as they don't go around trying to kill others who don't believe in their G-d like the other religions do. I'll trust those who don't try in kill in the name of faith over those willing and wanting to kill in the name of their faith.
correct genius!!... 3400 killed in Gaza just a couple years back, half of them women & children...
Your entire argument is based on the faulty premise that Iran is ignoring the NPT. Iran is in full compliance with the NPT. Your ignorance of the NPT and it's dictates is what's the problem here. Your entire post is one big straw man argument. Iran is in compliance with the NPT. Unfortunately for Israel's hypocrisy the NPT afforded Iran rights which Israel would prefer it (Iran) doesn't have (like the right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes). Iran has never attacked Israel. Israel wants Iran to give up its rights afforded under the NPT. You're calling Iran liars but can't show how they break their word, so you yourself resort to lies and made up stories to do so.
How about Israel sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty........Why ?
join the civilized world.......They have, its thier neighbors that are the problem.
That is all the world needs – another pre-emptive war...
dumb dumb and dumbest, should have taken the picture with the devil and satans too.
No more U.S. military involvement on behalf of Israel.
Israel disagrees.
As an American I agree.
since Israel owns the USA, they don't care what amerikans think, sadly.
Is it expected (that if indeed) that the allied powers go to war with Tehran, Russia will alow access to invade from the Caspian Sea?
I got the Liberal/Conservative opinion, but no matter what you think should happen the fact remains war is very possible (given the region) , and any commander (excluding Alexander the Great) should atleast consider attacking Tehran from the North, Anyone care to post a comment related?
I find ironic Ezekiel’s prophecy over 2000 plus years ago. While I don’t put much stock in prophecy I do find it ironic the lining up of current events. It basically says that Russia will be dragged into war with Iran, Turkey, and many other surrounding Muslims countries and will surprise attack Israel while the rest of the world sits around talking and asking questions, but offering no help. The end is a super natural destruction of the invading armies. Now I see Iran is controlling Russia will oil, and many of the surrounding nations have had their uprising- uniting them. Not saying this will happen, but sure seems for the first time in history a lot of pieces falling into place-just saying .
I thought they just awarded this war mongering, evil, terrorist a peace prize of some kind. Well (LOL) goes to show how much a medal means. The Jew are evil, war mongering people who cannot be trusted and need to let the UN in to see the carnage they have created. Forget about Iran and Nukes, Iran has not attacked anyone on over 150 years which cannot be said for Israhell. They attack someone every month or so. So who are the terrorists. Go figure, the evil ones are always paranoid thier evil will come and visit them.
There's nothing wrong with jews; just the corrupt zionist gov. of Israel which are backed by high-profile corporate sponsors.
ARMED NUCLEAR SUBS PATROLING THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD HAVE A DIRECT EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME OF ANY CONVERSATION . WHEN YOUR INTENT IS TO DEFEND AT ALL COST AND YOU CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THAT INTENT IN A VERY TANGIBLE WAY THE SERIOUS MINDED INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO YOU WILL START LAYING OFF
SOME OF THE BRAIN TRUST THAT HAS GOT THEM IN THIS MESS. BRING OUT THE HARDWARE AND IF YOU HAVE TO STRIKE YOU`LL ALREADY BE THERE!
Pyrrhic victory ring a bell ?
Seems clear to me that Israel is going to attack Iran, with or without the approval of the U.S. and that it will probably happen right before the November elections. If they do they will seal their fate. Even if they wipe Iran off the map they will be destroyed themselves in time because Pakistan is the real nuclear proliferator and as long as Pakistan exists eventually Islamic terrorists will obtain nuclear weapons. I believe that Iran actually wants Israel to attack them and may even be provoking Israel into attacking because that will give them the justification they need to build their nuclear weapons and use them.
Pakistan nukes cant reach Israel.
Pakistan missiles may not be able to reach Israel but missiles are not the only delivery system. Eliminating Iran will not eliminate the threat it will only ensure Israel's own destruction.
They're called ICBMs, and if you think they won't reach Iran, you're reading too much moo-slum propaganda.
lol, the comment you are responding to said that Pakistan nukes cannot reach Israel. It didn't mention anything about American ICBM's being able to reach Iran. Of course our ICBM's can reach anywhere in the world but that is not what the poster was saying. He was saying Pakiistan's missiles cannot reach Israel. I have no idea if they can or not but assume he is correct and responded that missiles are not the only delivery system. Iran needs to be contained, not attacked or destroyed, unless Israel wants to see themselves destroyed in turn.
"Seems clear" to you?? Really?? Then you need to get your vision checked. This has been "seeming clear" to warmongers for the past 3+ years and will continue to do so ad infinitum.
I guess you didn't read my entire post. I said it seemed clear to me that Israel would attack. Then I said that would result in their destruction. Somehow you took that to mean that I was saying Israel should attack? How does my post make me a warmonger when I all I am saying is that Israel is going to attack. Warmongering is saying Israel SHOULD attack. Saying they are going to attack and that doing so will result in their own destruction cannot be warmongering. I shouldn't even waste my time responding to you but since you seem to be responding to something i didn't say I am doing it anyway. I will repeat my statement. It seems clear to me that Israel will attack, with or without U.S. approval and they will do it before the november elections. Come back to CNN after it happens and call me a warmonger if you want to when all I am doing is predicting what will happen, NOT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. Predicting and advocating are not the same thing and maybe you should learn the difference.
One more thing just to clarify. What exactly do you think Peres means when he says Iran is 'out of time'? It means that Israel has decided that they must stop Iran from building a nuclear weapon and that they are not going to wait any longer. Do you think 'out of time' means that Israel is pushing for more negotiations? Seems clear to me because it is being clearly stated by the hawks in Israel and we live in an age of waging war on an election cycle so it happens before November elections bet me if you want but that is what I think will happen and that does not make me a warmonger.
I understood your post Greg. And I wasn't calling you a warmonger. I apologize for using the "vision checked" line, but I don't believe at this point Israel can do anything...well anything that won't lead to their destruction or at the very least their fall from power in this age.
Brave and bold words coming from a guy totally dependent on the US to back up his rhetoric and threats. That's not to say he wouldn't be able to lead us around by the nose as Israel has had us doing their bidding for decades. I don't think Obama will be taken down that path though and if Bibi is to wage war with Iran, he will largely be doing it on his own with perhaps some US intel and arms supplies.Don't look for us to be doing any flyovers in or near Teheran.
You need to move out of your mothers house
A) Cvale has a valid point
B) Wow you're sooo mature
anyone use spell check anymore??
john's mother should've swallowed him
I think Peres is starting to get senile. How are the Iraniains enraging the Iranians?
It's true; the current leadership of Iran is most comparable to a dictatorship. A war with Israel is not what the people want but only what the fanatical dictatorship wants. Iranian people just want peace and a good leadership.
Watch out for those "Iranian" white vans.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/as-the-crow-flies/
Iran will be a country that -used- to exist in a few weeks.. Oh and Second
John, far too many people assume Iran is comparable to Iraq and that miscalculation will inevitably lead to disaster should Israel choose to go ahead with a military strike. Iran is far more sophisticated than Iraq and will undoubtably prove to be Israel's biggest challenge in its 60+ year history. A conflict that will sap the lifeblood from a nation who once committed to conflict, will have to back up their bravado with the flesh and blood of its own citizenry. Bluster is one thing, body bags are another and Israel should think long and hard before engaging Iran. Bibi seems a bit anxious to ring the bell and that may prove very costly. Israel may very well prevail in the end but at what price?
Don't forget the Masada Complex! It is real.
Whatever the price it will be wholesale
Do any of you realize how many strategic factors are aligned against Syria and Iran? It's like all the planets (even Pluto)aligned with every comet and the moon.
Mind you I really wish of Peace with Iran and Israel.
Granted Gaza and Southern Lebanon might give the Israelis problems (Syria is busy at the moment), knocking down Iran might have fringe benefits of defunding Iran's proxy support for those areas. Even if the Israelis lose or have to back out, they might win. This is a pretty obvious to all but those in Iran.
When posters like SoulCatcher start speaking in parables and metaphors and can't plainly or partially state their point plainly you know they don't know what they're talking about. What are the strategic factors is he referring to? Did he get ironclad guarantees that Russia and China won't intervene, or Turkey? Did he get guarantees that Murphy's law would not occur here. It's nothing short of laughable when posters by implication purport to have the powers of God.
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