Egypt's reforms in flux, U.S. options in question
Egyptians protest in Tahrir Square on Friday after Egypt's Supreme Constitutional Court ruled that Parliament must be dissolved.
June 18th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

Egypt's reforms in flux, U.S. options in question

By Adam Levine

When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed off on restarting funding to Egypt's military in March, it sparked an immediate outcry on Capitol Hill from those who thought the the United States was giving up leverage to ensure the military rulers saw through on their commitment to relinquishing power to a democratically elected government.

Those fears were realized this past week as Egypt's court forced the dissolution of parliament and the military asserted its powers once again ahead of the weekend's runoff elections.

The court ruling has thrown the future of the transition into question, and now a key senator is warning it could once again throw the $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt into uncertainty.

"I have made clear to the State Department that, despite the earlier waiver of the conditions I authored, I would not want to see the U.S. government write checks for contracts with Egypt's military under the present uncertain circumstances," Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, said in a statement on Friday. Leahy wrote the law that allowed Clinton to approve money for the Egyptian government without certifying that the military government was moving to democratic transition.

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At the time of Clinton signing off, a State Department official told CNN's Jill Dougherty that the decision was to help a "strategic partnership" and the State Department would "maintain the flexibility to make adjustments to our Foreign Military Financing program at any time if conditions require it."

Whether the events of the past week will lead to such "adjustments" remains to be seen. But that money is one of the few levers the United States has right now in trying to influence the process, or at the very least express its concern about the potential course of Egypt's transition.

Withholding the money may not change the military's behavior but that is not the real issue for the United States, said Michele Dunne, a Middle East analyst at the Atlantic Council.

"The question is not can we control the behavior of the military in Egypt but the question is do we want to continue to give that level of support to a military that is preventing a democratic transition," Dunne said. "We can't control their actions."

While the money is substantial, the notion that stopping the money would have much effect is "existential," said Middle East analyst Jon Alterman, who is the Zbigniew Brzezinski Chair in Global Security and Geostrategy and also is director of the Middle East Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"If the last 18 months have shown anything, it's that the Egyptian military is playing a long game," Alterman told's Security Clearance in an e-mail on Sunday.

Photos: Political uncertainty in Egypt

Still, Alterman noted the U.S. has the ability to assert some influence, as was the case when Egypt cracked down on American non-governmental organizations, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff traveled to Egypt in part to discuss the impasse.

"Gen. (Martin) Dempsey went to Egypt to try to free the NGO workers, and they couldn't leave for two months. To Americans it looked like a stick in the eye. Semi-official Egyptians keep telling me that Dempsey ended up getting what he wanted, just not immediately," Alterman said.

The military-to-military ties between the United States and Egypt are among the few non-monetary influences the U.S. has. For years, Egyptian military officers have come to the U.S. to train, which has created a deep relationship between the two entities. So, after last week's court ruling and the fallout, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was quick to call the head of the Egyptian military, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi.

In the call last Friday, Panetta " highlighted the need to move forward expeditiously with Egypt's political transition, including conducting new legislative elections as soon as possible," according to a statement from Pentagon spokesman George Little.

Tantawi, according to the statement, said the Egyptian military was committed to "free and fair " elections and to transferring power to an elected government by July 1.

The U.S. military is hopeful the military relationship it has with Egyptian forces can be maintained, military officials said on Monday.

“We’d like it to continue,” said Pentagon spokesman Captain John Kirby, “That is our hope and expectation.”

Clinton said Thursday the U.S. was "engaged with Egypt" but "concerned about recent decrees" by the military that, though temporary, "appear to expand the power of the military to detain civilians and to roll back civil liberties."

"There can be no going back on the democratic transition called for by the Egyptian people. The decisions on specific issues, of course, belong to the Egyptian people and their elected leaders," Clinton told reporters.

There are more extreme measures the United States could take including coordinating with other allies who have significant relationships with Egypt, such as the British, French and Japanese. Also, Egypt is "badly in need" of assistance from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, observed Dunne.

"I am not saying the United States should go there now," said Dunne, noting that it would be an extreme for pressure. "That would be a big deal."

But as Dunne noted, it is the Egyptian military, not the United States, that promised democratic reform.

"It's not like we forced this on them," Dunne told Security Clearance.

The money is also part of a grand bargain the United States has with Egypt to guarantee its peace with Israel. With much of the region in turmoil, especially Syria, the U.S. aid is as much an investment in Israeli security as it is in Egyptian reform.

U.S. officials also point out that, when it comes to nations that are weathering the storms of the "Arab Spring," Egypt is "too big to fail," a bellwether for other countries of the region. The Obama administration must tread carefully between pushing Egypt to do the right thing and shoving it into further disorder.

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  8. Zion Crime Factory

    How about ending the $7 Million dollars a day of US tax payers money to israel??

    With record numbers of unemployed, millions od homes in foreclosure.....record poverty in America..and we are giving money away to israel..for what reason???

    June 19, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • joe d

      agree and remember the USS Liberty...34 U.S. servicemen murdered by israel

      June 19, 2012 at 10:03 am | Reply
      • Zion Crime Factory

        The USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by isarel....whats more disgusting is that the IDF/Hasbara have white washed and sanitized the USS Liberty Wikipedia page to the point where it completely contradicts USS Liberty survivors....

        jews = human garbage

        June 19, 2012 at 10:08 am |
  9. BigTex1

    We will never cut aid to Egypt because, in essence, it is aid to Israel. The money has never gone to help the Egyptian went into Hosni Mubarak's wallet in exchange for watching Israel occupy its Muslim neighbors. That's why Hosni was one of the richest men in the world. If we cut off the money, Israel will be at war with Egypt in 2 months. This tax payer says stop the funding....Israel can pay its own bribes, or learn to behave.

    June 19, 2012 at 10:00 am | Reply
  10. joe d

    cut all aide to the turdstain called israel..they are the worst..with freinds like them who needs enemy's

    June 19, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • Zion Crime Factory

      I second that....

      jews = parasitic vipers

      June 19, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
  11. Willie12345

    Let's stop with the waste of tax payers money by sending it to Egypt ........and now use the money to invest in solar panels or car batteries. There's always some place to put the tax payers money.

    June 19, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
  12. LR

    The real question is this, and it is similar to the one in Gaza: Should the US support a democratically elected Terrorist organization, such as the Muslim Brotherhood? It's espoused goal is an Arab Caliphate, spanning the entire Middle East, with it's Capitol in Jerusalem.

    June 19, 2012 at 8:55 am | Reply
  13. Al

    Why are we giving money we do not have to countries who would attack us if given the chance?

    June 19, 2012 at 8:47 am | Reply
  14. US Dollars

    The US has been giving money to Egypt so that they can use the money to buy military equipment from contractors in the US. The problem is, they aren't using the money for that anymore since the Arab spring.

    I don't see the aid continuing unless Egypt starts buying more gear from the US contractors.

    June 19, 2012 at 8:16 am | Reply
  15. Jason K

    CUT ALL FOREIGN AID! WE need the money at home! Why is there not a bigger outrage over the fact that Washington has us over $14 TRILLION (that's $14,000,000,000,000.00) and they are literally GIVING money away to foreign powers!

    June 19, 2012 at 7:41 am | Reply
    • Jason K

      How can this NOT pi$$ you off!?

      June 19, 2012 at 7:42 am | Reply
  16. Mike J

    Why the USA even has a "Foreign Military Financing program" is beyond me. With all our debt and economic woes, is this type of spending really necessary? We the people are clearly no longer caring if we allow this to continue, and such apathy contributes to our downfall.

    June 19, 2012 at 6:29 am | Reply
  17. islam is vile


    Israel is not a charity case but a strategic asset, with one of the most battle hardened and effective militaries in the world, refusing to acknowledge this is pure ignorance.

    June 19, 2012 at 4:31 am | Reply
    • hubert39

      Israel has been our welfare nation since 1948. They never have and never will lift a finger to help the USA in any way.
      They are a give me, give me, give me nation.
      But their are some great Israelies who don't feel this way. It's too bad they are not in power.

      June 19, 2012 at 7:44 am | Reply
    • Willie12345

      Are your referring to the USS Liberty action or Jason Pollard the Spy ?

      June 19, 2012 at 9:07 am | Reply
  18. Hadenuffyet

    Stop foreign aid everywhere , they don't appreciate it anyway...

    June 19, 2012 at 2:41 am | Reply
    • DoGMG3v3n

      Is not aid, is bribe...

      June 19, 2012 at 6:34 am | Reply
  19. Mulsim

    Some of these comments are full of hatred and ignorance. That kind of hurts me. I am a Muslim and live in the U.S and some of this stuff really hurts me. I wish some people would just respect another person's beliefs.

    June 19, 2012 at 12:47 am | Reply
    • gager

      If you had half a brain you wouldn't be Muslim.

      June 19, 2012 at 7:54 am | Reply
    • Hadenough

      Respect is a two-way street. When muslims stop killing us and start respecting our way of life, they will earn our respect. And not a minute sooner.

      June 19, 2012 at 8:39 am | Reply
    • Willie12345

      You need to be treat with respect and politeness. You've done nothing wrong.

      June 19, 2012 at 9:09 am | Reply
  20. Dave

    Wouldn’t it be nice that if once the US closed the check book? Told the Egyptian or whatever army you take whatever actions you feel you need to do. It’s between you and your citizens. If we are happy with the results we can take about continuing some aid. If not the foreign army is on their own.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Reply
  21. Voiceinthewind

    We need to cut off aid to Israhell until they let the UN inspectors in. They seem to think they are above the law and civilized society.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Reply
    • Justicefroall

      Obviously you have no idea that Israel is a REAL democracy with full press all over.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • itsme

      muslims just automatically blames others because it cannot apprehend the cruelty caused by your own people. Such a mindset only occurs when common sense is defeated by propaganda.

      June 19, 2012 at 3:57 am | Reply
    • dddd

      We need to cut off aid to Israhell until they let the UN inspectors in.

      Keep on being stupid boy It;s about the only thing you excel at .

      June 19, 2012 at 4:22 am | Reply
    • joe d

      agree israel is the worst investment in U.S. history..they are no freind to the U.S. and the biggest joke of a democracy

      June 19, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
    • Zion Crime Factory

      When will Washington get these parasitic jew monkeys off our back?? They have been sxcking us dry since 1948!!

      June 19, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
  22. Roelof

    Just wondering. how many nwo do we've got right now? The illuminatum wants a nwo. 1. We've got the communists that want a nwo. 2. we've got the pakistanies that want a nwo..3. Now Europe wants a nwo .. USA..
    How many nwo do we've got? Maybe indian want a nwo..

    June 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  23. Roelof

    Obama promised 1,5 billion $ aid to Egypt (my news). I believe the west should give aid to Christians (the kopts) alone. Have some project over there. They live in dirt. Well.. from dirt you can make energy; green energy. We'll invest with our innovation, give the Christians a job. Why? Because those muslims like to segregate. They want nothing to do with Christian Egypts... but kidnap, rape, torture, get some Arab tourism over to Egypt.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Reply
    • Michael Shafik

      Thank you so much, first time I see someone talking about Christians in Egypt and the dilema they live through every single day. Threats of being slaughtered, forced to wear Higab, and calls to compel them to pay money for the coming Islamic ruler that is in addition to the taxes they pay the government.

      June 19, 2012 at 1:53 am | Reply
  24. Roelof

    Democracy (on voters value) + demography = outcome
    Demo in Greek means the people decide. They decide to choose 'untermensch' and 'übermench' rules by voting for that Islamic brotherhood. Means their country will suppress every non-muslim in the country. Because it's the will of the people. The majority is muslim (demography). Would Africa give aid to America, when America would suppress certain African in the USA? Would America accept it?

    June 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  25. Roelof

    Oh wait, muslims believe in one nazi society.. my mistake they call it caliphate. NWO. The west doesn't believe in a nazi caliphate. We've got democracy. Oh.. wait.. some people think there's a chance on EUSSR. One thing I hate is communism (also called progressive policy) and Islam.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Reply
    • Mulsim

      I am a Muslim and I live in America. Peace.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:40 am | Reply
      • islam is vile

        Might as well live here , Europe does not want you

        June 19, 2012 at 6:27 am |
  26. Roelof

    Oh wait, muslims believe in one nazi society.. my mistake they call it caliphate. NWO. The west doesn't believe in a nazi caliphate. We've got democracy. Oh.. wait.. some people think there's a chance on EUSSR.. want to kill us all.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Reply
  27. Dave Anders

    Obama will not cut aid to these people that are the government of Egypt now- they are the women and children killers Obama urged to riot and kill.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  28. Roelof

    Aid?? Let me tell this our major party in Holland is willing to research on that aid. Of course we should give aid to Egypt. Aid to provide the Christians in Egypt with weapons, scholarship. Aid like.. pepper spray for 700 Christian girls that kidnapped, raped, tortured, out hungered, forced to convert to Islam. Why should we give aid? There's no need to. Enough Arab tourism now, that want to marry some raped, tortured Christian girl. The west is no longer needed. Islam rules!!
    Or.. we could give aid to Christians there. Muslims like to segregate, they don't believe in one nazi society, everything that lives on Egyptian land, and is Christian, might be filth for them, worth to protect for us.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm | Reply
  29. Bob B

    What are they going to give us?

    June 18, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  30. LT Fang

    When you're between a rock and a hard place, sometimes you have to choose the less bad option.
    The US has dealt with Egyptian military the past 40 years and they have kept the peace. Muslim Brotherhood...... now that even sounds scary.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Reply
    • Mulsim

      People are usually scared of things that they lack knowledge in. I am happy for them. I hope the Muslim Brotherhood make Egypt a better place and rule with Justice.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:43 am | Reply
  31. Keith

    We will never cut aid to Egypt, we are paying Egypt to play nice with Israel. Israel can't get along with anyone so we have to bribe someone to be their friend.

    I am tired of being their friend. We would have half as many enemies if we didn't have Israel for a friend.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Reply
    • Peikovianyi

      You know how it is to be friendless. And that odor...!

      June 18, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  32. Peikovianyi

    Demanding a sharia state is contrary to US foreign policy and western civiliazation.

    June 18, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  33. George Patton

    The U.S. will never cut off aid to Egypt, no matter what! If it ever did, it would lose control and the Washington bureaucrats will never stand for that. In fact, that would be one of the better things to happen to Egypt as that country would become more independent from the West than is present.

    June 18, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Reply
  34. Tut

    I would have thought the concern would be; "Will the US claw back miltary aid from Egypt." I think not, so long as the miltary is in charge.

    June 18, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Reply
  35. Rick

    How a country can be in debt up to its eyes and still be willing to give money away to people who would just as soon see you destroyed is beyond me. Stop with the foreign aid until our house is in order...THEN consider giving but only to places who are on the same wavelength. Say NO to Islamists, NO to dictators.

    June 18, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  36. Carl Guyer

    Shut off the money.... So the election didn't turn out the way we wanted, OK, live with it.

    June 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  37. banlin

    USA is paying jiyza to Egypt and to Pakistan 🙁

    June 18, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  38. byebye

    Could we just eliminate all foreign aid. The US has a deficit in case someone is unaware.

    June 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  39. FauxNews

    Without a government, where is the money going? It's obviously going to private people. Can we get in on that deal?

    June 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
    • ChuckB

      Without a government? The de facto government is the military, and that is where our foreign aid has been going. Why have the pretense of representative democrcy if only an outcome acceptable to us and our stooges will be tolerated? The military can invalidate the outcome of elections by force, but they can't deliver the vote, i.e., it is a military dictatorship.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  40. why in the world would obama fund the muslim brotherhood?


    June 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • kls817

      Exactly. I would rather see the military in charge than the populace. If the people take over the country, they will oppress the minorities, much like what happened in Iraq. In Iraq, there was a vibrant Christian community, and now it is largely gone due to oppression by the majority Sunni muslims.
      I stand with the religious minorities and women, not the barbaric islamist majority.
      Countries in the middle east are better off under dictators than the uncivilized populace

      June 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Reply
      • ChuckB

        Only white guys can be trusted to have democracy.

        June 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
      • Smithy

        Nice to see Americans having so much faith in democracy.

        June 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  41. hypatia

    We should cut all aid to these places and take care of our own instead of propping up dictators only to hang them 15 years later.

    June 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Reply
    • DDW1946

      Hear Hear great idea

      June 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  42. JesterJames

    lol, no... US didn't restart the payment to the Egyptian military because of they are not interfering with Egyptian democracy. US is paying the military to do exactly what it just did, to stop the muslim brotherhood from taking over Egyptian government in accordance to the popular and democratic will of the Egyptian people.

    June 18, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  43. terry

    "The money is also part of a grand bargain the United States has with Egypt to guarantee its peace with Israel."

    Why are we still paying off other countries to leave Israel alone? If they can't hold on to their country by themselves, do they even deserve to have it?

    June 18, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Reply
    • JonfromLI

      "Why are we still paying off other countries to leave Israel alone? If they can't hold on to their country by themselves, do they even deserve to have it?"

      Just an ignorant statement if there ever was one. Israel's been defending their own country for the better part of 70 years since its independence. They're not like Kuwait or Afghanistan or Vietnam who the respective REPUBLICAN Presidents at the time were inclined to send troops in to defend. Name one war involving Israel that the US participated in. Bet you can't. You can complain all you want about the US supporting Israel with foreign aid; but that should go triple for the real countries in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia and Iraq who would just as well want nothing to do with us besides our investment in their oil reserves.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
      • Ali

        we give israel trillions of dollars but they never help us fight our more aid to egypt or israel let them fight eachother.....we can babysit the world

        June 18, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • ChuckB

        If Israel gets along fine without us, then they won't miss the aid if we cut it off.

        June 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  44. mickey1313

    Killery Clinton strikes again. Why do we support military rule, of ya because we are ruled by the military industrial complex, not governed by our free elected government. This world is falling into the crapper.

    June 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
  45. danklem

    cbr do u really believe that bull you wrote? no one monitors the money given as aid. that is why so many dictators and others just pocket the cash. we won't become isolationists if we stop given tax payers dollars away. we would become the greatest country on earth, everyone would want to live here if we spend the money on our country.

    June 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
    • mickey1313

      I agree 100% but i think we must do more, like heavily regulate multi nationals that do business here. Stop allowing companies from stealing by way of ridiculous profit margins

      June 18, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
  46. Lamshade maker

    Why is America giving israel $7 million dollars a day in US tax payers money....when soo many Americans are struggling??

    When will Washington get these parasitic jew vipers off our backs??

    June 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
    • Easyrhino

      First you have to get rid of the Israeli lobbying machine AIPAC.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
    • Quid Malmborg in Plano TX

      Another cry in favor of the Welfare State. Get a job. Or two. P.F.Chang's, Carrabbas, Chipotle, Bonefish Grill- those places are always hiring.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • ChuckB

        With 8.2% unemployment it should be real easy to get a second job.

        June 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • mickey1313

      Agreed, quid, your detractor is just a zi on ist pos. It is American tax money, is supposed to go toward Americans, not evil war mongers. Israel is evil, so finding them.

      June 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Reply
    • hypatia

      twisted troll

      June 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • Freedtoo

      Your posting name seems to tell me what you are, or am I jumping to conclusions?

      June 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Reply
    • joe d

      the are the biggest leaches on the planet..cut them off

      June 19, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
  47. danklem

    Matt your right. The whole process su?ks. our politians talk about cutting everything to balance the deficit.
    but no one talks about the billions of our tax payers dollars given freely to every country but the US. we are becoming a third world nation, why not give aid to the american citizens. also no one talks about the super billions of dollars the military spends fighting useless wars. look at our drone policy we spend 400 to 600 thousand on a missle thats launched from a drone. we kill one so called enemy. then another takes the dead enemy place. so lets figure there a couple milliion islam worshipping people. if we spend 400 thousand to kill each one who takes the place ot the other, what will that cost us?

    June 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
  48. Matt T.

    I was in the military and never understood this about our government. Why do we feel the need to spend money that this country doesn't have? It's not just Egypt; South Korea, Israel, Afghanistan/Iraq, the list goes on. It's upwards of $30billion anually we spend to help "aid developing countries". Why should we foot the bill for ANY country other than our own? Americans need to worry about their own "backyard" and the mess we've created at home, not the government's special interests around the world. Reform Wall Street, Rebuild our infrastructure, do something that actually benefits Americans! I could give two sh**s about Egypt, and why should I, let them take care of their own problems. They've been a functioning society for thousands of years, what makes America (>250yrs old) think that we have the right to tell them how to govern themselves?

    June 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
  49. cbr

    The world is a volatile place. As a world power we work toward bringing democratic ideals to countries and try to help stabilize the countries. Unfortunately, this takes money and we have been giving aide to foreign countries for many years. We could become isolationists and hide our heads in the sand. That brings consequences as well because securing diplomatic relations requires some give and take.

    We do not get instant results and the Secretary of State continues to monitor all situations and walks a very tight line to keep us on an even keel.

    June 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Reply
    • old golfer

      So, what with around 17 TRILLION in national debt, you are saying, keep spending and being the world's policeman. And who is going to prop us up when we financially collapse? We will collapse if serious changes aren't made in our governments spending habits. Kind of reminds me of reading the collapse of ancient Rome.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Reply
  50. danklem

    why are we giving eqypt money in the first. we should net be giving anything. everytime we do they still hate us and ask for more. we give other countries money for economic aid, military aid etc. why do we give money to these countries when in this country our states cannot meet their bugets. they lay off teachers, do away with unions, cut all kinds of aid to poor citizens. I SAY USE THE MONEY HERE.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
  51. TryTheTruth

    No Matter if Eqypt or USA . . . everyone needs to accept responsibility for their own actions.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
  52. Dan

    Obviously US has no idea of what are the main legal reasons for dissolving the parliament. Also, they have no idea what the Islamist are planning for what they call the democratic Egypt. Egypt is turning to another Iran so get your stinky nose out of Egypt's business. The provided aid to the military is mainly to support American interest and had nothing to do with what so called "American democracy"

    June 18, 2012 at 11:51 am | Reply
  53. Quit Funding Other Countries

    Can't the leaders of this country get it through their thick heads to stop sendind tax payers money abroad to support other countries. Our country needs saving first.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
  54. DingDongIll

    enough with the imperialism bull sh** let them sort it out.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:46 am | Reply
  55. EdL

    And this is the voice of one senator out of a hundred, with the priority objective of winning re-election/s with the other 99. It would be nice to see them all lose, but once in always in. Right?

    June 18, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
  56. tony

    I smell the US-Israel Axis doesn't want democracy in Egypt

    June 18, 2012 at 11:27 am | Reply
    • Voters Preference

      Do u want the brotherhood or the military? Vote a for Bro and b for M. Count the votes: b wins. They're the same. Israel could care less about Egypt no matter what Arabs and the American press say. War hawks from the Arab domain issue these proclamations to get people whipped up. Whether Egypt is neutral or against Israel does not matter to Israel.It's one more or less country that wants them dead. Big deal. Egypt means zilch to Israel. If u want to blame someone blame your American congress and the voters who put them in office.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
  57. BCJonah

    Why is there no women in this pic or any other pic posted regarding the Muslin's Brohood victory?

    June 18, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • EdL

      Certainly you jest!

      June 18, 2012 at 11:42 am | Reply
    • EdL

      Maybe the ACLU and/or women's 'rights' organizers would like to answer this questions.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:43 am | Reply
  58. mike

    Most of that money is military aid so a lot of that money will go back to the US defense contractors.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      not US contractors. those are private

      June 18, 2012 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • Lamshade maker

      israel uses US military aid to fund an israeli arms industry that competes with US companies. According to a report commissioned by the US Army War College, “Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its … military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.”.......................educate yourself dummy!

      June 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
      • islam is vile

        , i think muslims should stop inbreeding , man are they stupid

        Salafist group called the Popular Egyptian Islamic Association has come under fire after sending out a warning on Facebook urging its followers not to eat tomatoes because the vegetable (or fruit) is a Christian food.

        June 19, 2012 at 6:21 am |
      • islam is vile

        we are at war with Islam , israel is the front line in that war

        June 19, 2012 at 6:23 am |
  59. Barry G.

    They finally rid themselves of a dictator, and he's replaced by a dictatorial regime–and a military one, at that!

    God help the good people of Egypt.

    May God give them good and decent leaders–leaders who put the needs of the people, before their own selfish desires.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:17 am | Reply
  60. ireuel

    Day one after vote, Israel and Egypt had a border clash today. This could be a real problem real soon and all other issues will be irrelevant real soon. The Hamas is already coordinating with someone on other areas. I don't think the current administration is going to have anybodies back on this one. Also a report of a Russia ship going to Syria? Not good, not good at all. Arab spring could turn out to be biggest miscalculation in history by the ones that thought this was a good idea.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
  61. MazeAndBlue

    I agree with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, that we must be very careful regarding this situation which seems to be spiraling
    out of control.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • EdL

      What wise words! I wonder if Leahy thought these words up himself or if a member of his staff whisperred in his ear.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:46 am | Reply
  62. Barry G.

    That is sad.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:15 am | Reply
  63. OregonTom

    What will happen if passage through the Suez Canal is threatened?

    June 18, 2012 at 11:15 am | Reply
    • ireuel

      I think you know the answer to that.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
  64. VEW2012

    The people in Egypt should have the right to free determination, even if we disagree with what they choose.

    June 18, 2012 at 11:05 am | Reply
    • ireuel

      Yes they should, but this is going to be a very interesting "Change" in the area. I hope to it is for the better. Just don't feel it will be.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
    • EdL

      Are you suggesting the U.S. is not in charge in the selection of Egypt's government?

      June 18, 2012 at 11:48 am | Reply
  65. stupidamerican6443752

    $1.3 billion would be better spent funding NASA.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:55 am | Reply
    • VEW2012

      NASA was antiquated for what we need for the future, we are moving forward to make space more commercially profitable and toward deep space exploration. Look up the article about the Louisville built Dream Chaser for June 2 & 3, 2012 at the

      June 18, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
    • tony

      Anything else is better than paying Egypt military to supress democracy

      June 18, 2012 at 11:29 am | Reply
  66. RS, CA

    So how's that Arab Spring working out for ya, Obama? But go ahead - pour more dollars into a failed event - that's what ya seem to do best! So ready for President Romney to fix Obama's messes.!

    June 18, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • Edwin

      I think you seriously don't grasp the situation. Arab Spring was not an American idea... in fact, the primary point of it all was that it was motivated by the people of the Arab nations. Sure we helped it along, but the alternative was to actively block a democratic movement - something that America did all the time in the past before the age of instant personal media.

      The road to actual democracy is long and treacherous, and not all of the countries are likely to make it there. But if you really think this is Obama's doing, you have very peculiar notions.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
      • ireuel

        Long a treacherous? I don't think so. This thing will be over in hours not days or years. This is the time of instant gratification or resolution.

        June 18, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Aeromechanic

      There are no "Obama messes". If you think honestly about it, what problems weren't already in motion?

      All I know is that the economy is adding 60,000 jobs per month now and 3 1/2 years ago we were losing 750,000 per month.

      You do the math.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
      • ireuel

        The only math I know is 16.3 Trillion dollars of debt, and you say there are no Obama messes. At what point do you come to the conclusion that maybe just maybe the Democrats are to responsible for some of this? Yes President Obama has to been a part of the mess in Washington since 2005 when he showed up at the Senate. Then he spent 2007 and 2008 only showing up for key votes.

        June 18, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • EdL

        It makes me feel good to learn our economy has been doing so well for the past 3 1/2 years.

        June 18, 2012 at 11:53 am |
      • TJ

        Aeromechanic, check your "jobs" facts and how the math is done (apples to apples) from a good non-bias'ed source. 750K a month lost with none added?? Not a chance.. 60K a month added with none lost?? Not a chance..

        June 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  67. bobby

    Take the aid away....they are to childish to have it...they have failed.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:34 am | Reply
    • m s

      whocares about this sh1t aid anyway. Mubarak used to put it all in his pockets. taking away the aid won't make a difference to the people.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:46 am | Reply
  68. mikrik13

    It's ok with Egypt if US stops foreign aid. Russia is there to pick up the slack. Russia hasn't been financing 2 wars in foreign lands for 10+ years.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Andrey

      Rather than for 20+ years. You seem to live in the past: it all used to be so simple! It is time to grow up! You can not play USSR scarecrow forver!

      June 18, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
    • VEW2012

      Russia is currently providing aid to Syria, and Egypt is currently requesting Russian aid.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
  69. posy

    we need money for USA schools – my childs school is crap with nothing – nothing – and I despair for my child – and yet we send Millions overseas??? I am so mad about it. What about American kids? Why does no-one care about USA?

    June 18, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • PotandKettle

      Wonder how many struggling families here at home 1.3 billion could help. Instead my government would throw it away over in Egypt and the Middle East.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:22 am | Reply
      • Andrey

        It is not that simple. US could print another 1.3 billion dollars easy enough, but it would not make anybody better off. These 1.3 billion are payd to American workers for producing some weapons, military equipment and supplies which are then go into US stock piles. Then some older nearly expired staff go out of the stock piles and gets shipped to Egypt. That is how I emagine it works.
        If you could turn these workers into teachers and doctors: you would have a choice you have mentioned.

        June 18, 2012 at 10:43 am |
      • VEW2012

        I would be simpler to do what we did after WWII retool arms manufacturing to work on infrastructure and renewable energy products....that would be a twofor...less money squandered on aid, and a real benefit internally for our nation.

        June 18, 2012 at 11:25 am |
      • VEW2012

        New keyboard...start that paragraph with ...It.

        June 18, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • ireuel

      The United States pays more per student than any other country in the world for education. We are somewhere between 17th and 25th depending on the source in results. If your school is that bad it isn't due to the lack of funding, yes even in the President bush years the Department of Education Budget went up at record rates. Throwing money at a problem is never a answer when bureaucrats are involved.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:44 am | Reply
  70. Sam

    Military rule in Egypt may be unpalatable, but democratic rule wil be worse. The US insists on fair elections, and the Islamic brotherhood will win. That will be the last election in Egypt for a very long time. The US insisted on "democratic" elections for the Palestinian Authority, and that was the last "democratic" elections ever in Gaza, with Hamas terrorists in control, oppressing women and gays and shooting missiles at their neighbors. Nice job, USA.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:03 am | Reply
    • Edwin

      The Islamic Brotherhood may not be our best ally, but they haven't really been the bad guys - at least not yet. You are right, however, that any group that takes power is likely to either already be corrupt or become corrupted in the process. Democracy takes time to become the successful - perhaps a full generation or more.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
  71. Timothy

    The Obama administration screwed something else up??? How shocking.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:59 am | Reply
    • EdL

      But we know it is not the Obama administration's fault, nor is it Obama's fault. If it were the 'white house' would have told us.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:57 am | Reply
    • EdL

      But we know it is not the Obama administration's fault, nor is it Obama's fault. If it were the 'white house' would have told us?

      June 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
  72. Lucifer

    Ahhh yes, the ultimate connundrum for the USA. It's played out numerous times. Do we support democracy or the military dictatorship? We love to say we support democracy but then we know that the democratically elected government won't support the US agenda. The military dictatrships are so good at doing what the US wants. Such a dilemma.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:52 am | Reply
    • Edwin

      The best solution is to support the democracy which doesn't like us much. That way, we can look good politically, give them humanitarian aid, and eventually start to give them military support. Over a decade or two they will come to love American money more than they hate American ideals - and become a staunch ally.

      Of course, if we need a stable Egypt right now, that isn't an option.

      June 18, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
      • EdL

        Not so sure our American dollar 'gifts' buy a whole lot of friends. Countries receiving our generous dollar gifts receive strings that are attached. In other words, their receiving our dollars means they will do as we say or else. Or else meaning we will stop the dollar flow after they have adjusted to its reception. Do the same with our states, you do this or we will cut these generous dollar benefits off..

        June 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  73. Sam

    O got just what he wanted. Now Egyptians can either be ruled by the militray like the last sixty years or can be ruled by the "Democrat" Muslim Brotherhood under Shariya law.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:51 am | Reply
    • Edwin

      Most of Shariya law is in strong agreement with American law. For example, it is illegal in both systems to steal another person's property.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
  74. Rags

    Damit! Stop sending our money to these despots! We need things fixed here in the USA first and the h3ll with the rest of the world. When has any country helped us?

    June 18, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
  75. ejktexas

    Here's an idea....stop sending money overseas? It might be nice if our currency has a shred of value in a few years. For that to happen- Gary Johnson 2012.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
  76. Joe

    Money to Egypt? WHAT MONEY? We're broke. Our educational, infrastructure,economic and healthcare system are a mess but we somehow have money to give to other countries. smh

    June 18, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
    • Polopoint

      Clearly you haven't been paying attention the past 30-35 years. That money.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:41 am | Reply
    • Wraith

      According to the Congressional Research Service, the US spent approx $55 billion in 2011.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • John in NY

      While I don't support sending them any money I thought I would point out that all the various levels of government already spend just under a trillion dollars a year on education.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
      • Mt. Cleverest

        haha just under a trillion to education? are you delusional? more like a LOT under a trillion, It's barely a blip. The largest item on the budget is the military my friend. I dunno who gave you your facts but you've been severely misled.

        June 18, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • SoulCatcher

      2011 Spent on foreign aid. $49 Billion.
      That's about 200,000 contractor jobs or 400,000 governement workers.

      The question is what are we getting for our money?

      June 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  77. James PDX

    1.3 billion to the Egyptian military? No wonder we're broke. Stop it. I would love to see a tally of how much "aid" we send to every country around the world, as well as the money we spend in each country for war purposes. I'm betting it would be enough to properly fund our education system, which is something we certainly are not doing now.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
    • Wraith

      Hey James, I posted it earlier up above, but to sate your curiosity, the US spent $55 billion in 2011, according to the Congressional Research Service. Infuriating when seeing it in hard numbers. We have problems at home, and that $55B could have done wonders for some of the projects we need doing here.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:57 am | Reply
  78. John M.

    well the courts didn't throw out the presidential election, I suggest that we be patience (and at the most, withold funding till a democratic transition) Egypt is a important element to Israel peace and stability) my reference to my position is this last article last paragraph.

    "U.S. officials also point out that, when it comes to nations that are weathering the storms of the "Arab Spring," Egypt is "too big to fail," a bellwether for other countries of the region. The Obama administration must tread carefully between pushing Egypt to do the right thing and shoving it into further disorder."

    June 18, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
  79. Tr1Xen

    I agree with Leahy on this one. Giving any sum of money to Egypt's military right now would be a mistake.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
  80. Quid Malmborg in Plano TX

    Can't see what all the fuss is about, selling arms to Egypt, etc. It creates jobs here in the U.S. Nuff said. End of discussion. Period.

    June 18, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • DoD

      The problem is for those of us with high morals that put life ahead of arms profits.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
      • Quid Malmborg in Plano TX

        Morality? Convert to X-tianity. You'll never have to worry about your guilty conscience ever again.

        Morality. ROTFLMAO

        June 18, 2012 at 9:47 am |
      • The Democracy Myth

        What morals? Democracy is not a panacea for every ill of the world. What is happening in Egypt is an Egyptian affair. The U.S. has no moral obligation to support this transition. In fact giving money to Egypt without a clear view of the power structure that will emerge is recklessly immoral. Just because a government is democratically elected does not mean that the government is good. Case in point, the Nazi party was democratically elected in the 1930s.

        June 18, 2012 at 9:51 am |
      • Person of Interest

        Funny its usually the people that laugh about moral judgments that have never been in a situation to have to actually make a tough one. While I'm agnostic and not Christian like was mentioned, I don't follow morality like most people do I follow a set of standards that I apply to myself.

        DoD is right because the USG should represent its people which (having been in several countries around the world) has some of the kindest and most generous in the world. So while the Germans' elected Hitler, US citizens elected our officials. If that fails your moral litmus tests, try one a bit more logical (more my kind, standards): We (USA) supply several countries, and train their officers, that we may someday have to fight for one reason or another. I don't want additional forces unnecessarily lost due to the fact I trained someone how to fight effectively. If that causes the loss of a few thousand jobs I can live with that.

        June 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  81. M. Edward

    I'd rather see a Military run Egypt then a Muslim Brotherhood run provocateur government. Sometimes the choices we face are either bad or very bad. I vote for bad.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
    • James PDX

      Kind of like our choices for POTUS.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:30 am | Reply
  82. Richard

    Replacing benign (to the West) semi-Westernized regimes with "Muslim Brotherhood" run powderkegs is the stupidest thing the U.S. has ever done.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:50 am | Reply
  83. disgruntledgirl

    All I know is a friend has been deployed. He doesn't know where he's going.
    Can we go 5 years without a war? Or "Police action"? Can someone remind one of these "found fathers" quoters when George Washington said about staying out of other people's business?

    June 18, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • Person of Interest

      I've found most people that quote the founding fathers have only actually read their words used in books authored by people other than a founding father. This "telephone game" has caused the real meanings to be diluted or lost. The day I read some's post on here that actually quotes one of the Federalist Papers or something similar (in context), I may cry with joy.

      June 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
  84. chill

    Cut the funding. We shoul not be giving money to militaries to suppress their own people. Period.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:46 am | Reply
  85. Starting Point

    The Military aid to Egypt has to go. It has been used to prop up and empower a Military that the country can not otherwise afford and now when it is time to re-set how the pie is divided in Egypt the military has stepped it to protect the old order. The best thing we can do is constrain their resources. Same works for Pakistan.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:42 am | Reply
  86. Willie12345

    The bureaucrats in Washington will do almost anything to keep a hold on Egypt. This they can do through Egypt's military forces and I expect that to continue for a long time to come.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:21 am | Reply
  87. genebrady

    Giving 1.3 billion to Egypt isn't really about the arms to Egypt, it's about the payout to the republican weapons manufacturer that gets the money. They will not give that money back. America does not back free elections, we back anti Islamic regimes. Our claim of spreading Democracy is a joke. More taxpayer dollars thrown away instead of going to Americans.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:11 am | Reply
    • George Patton

      Thank you, genebrady. You pretty much nailed it!!!

      June 18, 2012 at 8:23 am | Reply
      • whatever

        It 's amazing how most of you, like 98 %, are so naïve and ignorants. Except Genebrady and some other fellows. You don't know your own country because you are misinformed all the time and you THINK you live in a democracy, a democracy that is the worst dictator of the world… You live in a bunch of lies. Well the first thing you should know is that you are SOOOO dependant on everybody else for survival and you came and abused all the arab countries for years for one reason: their oil.
        These countries can live without oil but you can't. So YOU need the arabs, not the other way round. and stop talking about the muslims like they are a species. I'm not thrilled about the Muslim Brotherhood news and I'm a Christian living in Egypt but this is what the West gets when it decides after the WW2 to erect a jewish state in the midst of muslim countries completely disregarding their rights and beliefs. Why don't you build a jewish state there, in your deserts next to Las Vegas and leave the Middle East ALONE? That would be the best peace action ever.
        Money money money. That's all you know. That's all you will ever know.

        June 19, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • DoD

      Yes Gene, Ron Paul ends it all.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:20 am | Reply
    • Mary

      True, It is the arms industry that gets the money and who supports it, the GOP. If they don't have wars any where in the world, I bet the arms industry and its bed fellows will manage to make some trouble some where to start a war.

      June 18, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
  88. Charles

    There is no such thing as temporary power when it comes to ant military. We will not be satisfied until every human being on earth has a weapon in their hands. That seams to be the solution to every problem.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:03 am | Reply
  89. Everett Wallace

    ALL aid stop right now. this is the stuff that brings evil to the united states. if it has not gone threw me then it is null and void.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:00 am | Reply
  90. Keep Your Eye On Da Puddy Tat

    Yes to Democracy.
    No to Islamic Brotherhood.
    Rock and a hard place.

    June 18, 2012 at 7:56 am | Reply

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