U.S. pulls negotiating team from Pakistan
June 11th, 2012
01:09 PM ET

U.S. pulls negotiating team from Pakistan

By Barbara Starr

The U.S. is withdrawing its negotiating team from Pakistan because after several weeks, the two sides have failed to reach an agreement on re-opening land routes from Pakistan into Afghanistan that have been used to carry supplies for the war.

"We have not reached resolution," said George Little, Pentagon press secretary. He noted that some of the team left Pakistan over the weekend, and others are expected to leave shortly. "We expect others to leave soon unless circumstances change."

The group had been in Pakistan for about six weeks, according to Little.

Little would not say whether the decision to leave came before or after Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's remarks last week that the U.S. was running out of patience with Pakistan's safe havens for terrorists including the Haqqani network.Pakistan closed two routes for NATO supplies into Afghanistan last year after a number of Pakistani forces were inadvertently killed along the border in a U.S. strike. Little said the US still hopes to resolve the matter and get an agreement to reopen the border crossings.  He noted the U.S. could still supply troops in Afghanistan and complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan by using northern land routes, but added "the more options you have the better."

Pakistan wants to charge new fees for NATO crossings which the U.S. has not agreed to. However "there is an agreement in concept" to reopen the routes, Little said.

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  1. When the Cows Come Home

    "Amnesty International is calling for an impartial investigation into mass graves found in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Sunday, India's Jammu and Kashmir State Human Rights Commission released a report saying a three-year investigation had uncovered 2,156 unidentified bodies in 38 sites in the region. In a statement released Monday, Amnesty International asked Indian officials to allow impartial forensic experts to carry out a thorough investigation of the skeletal remains. The rights group also urged Indian authorities to ensure the safety of the witnesses who gave statements to police during the investigation. Indian authorities conducted the inquiry in response to allegations that Indian security forces have committed rights abuses in fighting a more than two-decade-long Muslim separatist insurgency. Rights activists say at least 8,000 people have gone missing in Indian Kashmir since the separatists began fighting in 1989 for independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Rebel attacks and Indian government crackdowns have killed at least 50,000 people

    June 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
  2. Mazal Rosenbloom

    The road to peace and prosperity in this world has been paved with the blood of Pakistanis. L'Chaim Pakistan

    June 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Reply
  3. Chuck

    WE SALUTE YOU, PAKISTAN......The Americans acknowledge the innumerable sacrifices made by Pakistanis in this ongoing war. The Americans appreciate the bullets taken on the chest by the Pakistanis in fighting the enemy. The Americans appreciate the ultimate sacrifices made by Pakistanis in sacrificing their lives while trying to make America and the world safe.

    June 13, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply
    • Thinker

      oh jeez son you ever sleep are you gna keep writing same bull everywhere under 3000 diff names ???
      get out of ur ammis basement or ur wifes room or appas room .. same thing if ur paki 😉
      you pple laugh at pakistanis with all this nonsence you write ...cos even you know all you writing is never ever will come true ROLF

      June 13, 2012 at 11:54 am | Reply
      • Chad

        What's your point, pumkin pie? Either offer some insights or STFU. You are wasting space on this board. BTW get an education and enhance your writing skills. Comprende?

        June 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  4. Thinker

    Can anyone please tell me why muslims are so scared of hindus and jews... there are billions of muslims and only few hinuds and jews ... still all muslims in India and pakistan are treated as 3rd class citizens.. muslims in India are slapped around and used as slaves and same goes in middle east .. isreal 1 small country and whole middle east is scared of him

    muslims stop crying and grow a pair

    June 13, 2012 at 9:40 am | Reply
    • Bucky

      Wonder why Shakespeare felt the need to write a whole play on the character called "Shylock"? Google it and you will find the answer. Get back to me when you have done so and gotten some religion while doing so. Happy Easter Egg hunting.

      June 13, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
      • Thinker

        like she sed grow a pair .. and stop converting from Hindus to muslims and now muslim to christian .. be faithfull to one religion .. fakrudeen

        June 13, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  5. shazia andrews

    born in pakistan but raised in states and married to a indian christian i have seen all three cultures ..pakistan and India need to fix kashmir problem and pakistan need to get rid of terrorist camps and schools ..fact is pakistan hid obl or where does his wives and kids come from in pakistan??? i hope my birth country one day will be shinining star 🙂

    June 13, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
    • Bucky

      No wonder you are so confused !

      June 13, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
      • shazia andrews

        can you shine some light on ur comment sir and why you think i am confused ?

        June 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  6. shazia andrews

    i love all dillusional kids ..kid keeps writing under differnet names and replying to himslef .. like his head in sand ...thinking everything he says exactly happning...pakistan is atleast 70 to 80 years behind any normal secular country ...
    whats the point of bieng so called nuclear power when you cant even take down a simple drone ...

    anyways whats ever blah blah you keep writing and replying to urself under diff names ..hope comes true and pakistan
    can be called a great place

    June 13, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • Bucky

      Even if one accepts your premise, do you have anything intelligent to offer as others? I don't think so. So keep your head down and listen to what others are saying. maybe you will get a free education along the way.

      June 13, 2012 at 10:53 am | Reply
  7. Sajjad Sialkoti

    “While the storm clouds gather far across the North and East,
    Let us swear allegiance to a land that’s free,
    Let us be grateful for a land so fair,
    Let us thank for the foresight to seek Independence from India,
    As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.”

    Land that we love.
    Stand beside her, and guide her
    Thru the night with a light from above.
    From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
    And to the oceans, white with foam
    GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.

    June 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  8. krm1007 ©™

    Besides emerging as a regional power, the time has come for Pakistan to take the leadership role in the Islamic World and lead them to the path of progress, prosperity and glory. The only nuclear nation in the Islamic World, Pakistan has shown the world that it can stand up to the nuances of world politics on principles and partake in global affairs. Also, that it can equally contribute to the progress of this planet called Earth. The sacrifices of the Pakistani nation in making this world safe is unmatched and deserves a seat at the table of the permanent members of The UN Security Council.

    June 12, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      lol hahahahaha i love afgan weed to brother keep the pipe burning 🙂

      June 13, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
  9. Deja Vu

    It appears to me that Muslims are the fastest growing segment of world society today. As others are withering away the Muslims seem to be rising again with their contributions as was the case historically when they ruled India and Europe and left behind a legacy of science, art, architecture, culinary et al. One only needs to go to Spain and India to witness this. As immigrants, it is a good thing to be aware of your glorious heritage and be connected with it. The Italian immigrants do it as do the Germans, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic and many other cultures. What really pleasantly surprised me was what I witnessed in the Middle East. A tolerant society that has come so far in a few years. Most importantly providing job and economic opportunities to all, Hindus/Indians, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Europeans, Americans, Africans, South Americans, Chinese, and Russians etc. Never have I witnessed such openness and equal opportunities unless you go back to the times of Muslim rule in India and Spain. My conclusion is that the Muslims get it. They are striving to once again take their leadership role in the world order and take this civilization to its next level of excellence. The climb to success and progress is not a linear curve but a stochastic one. Let us join in wishing our Muslim brethren well and much success in their endeavors. If we can't help them let's not pull the rug from under them.

    June 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
  10. Reprinted With Permission ©

    PAKISTAN, We Love Ya !!!!
    We Worship Ya!!!

    Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
    US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.

    Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.

    No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.

    Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
    You deserve a permanent seat in the UN Security Council for your contributions to world peace and emergence of a new world order. We welcome your rise as the new regional military power. God Speed.

    June 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Reply
    • marc

      up yours and your new world order...it seems like you are killing everyone with it.....you call that "order"...your an idiot.

      June 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  11. Arthur

    Pakistan hid bin Laden, al-Libi, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and thousands of other mooslime terrorists. Cut aid and bomb 'em.

    June 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  12. Feroz - Pakistan

    If alternate routes are available then take them. Why make a big deal going through Pakistan. Issue closed. Next, let's talk about stopping the genocide in Indian Occupied Kashmir. That is what USA needs to be focusing on rather than retreating from a war zone in an untimely manner with unfinished business.

    June 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
    • pakhtonnistan

      after u.s withdrawal, india needs to move in to stop genocide in paistan, pok, sindh and in baluchistan. china and russia should be encouaged to join with india in this to bring peace in pakistan / afganistan. india needs to take this leadership at any cost to save south asia.

      June 12, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
      • Khalistan: Land For Sikhs

        That would have been nice but India had its chance and blew it. Just too meek of a people, pardon my french. Now Pakistan is the significant regional nuclear power with geographic advantage. Time to kiss the ring, my gulab jamun. We need to start the independence movement again.

        June 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
      • Punjabi

        hey my sikh brother one day will take full punjab ..part from pakistan and India and our khalistan dream will come true ..

        Khalistan zindabad

        June 13, 2012 at 9:23 am |
  13. Pete J

    However you slice it, the unintented consequence of the Afghanistan occupation has been the emergence of Pakistan as a regional power with advanced multimodal nuclear defensive and offensive capabilities.

    June 12, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
  14. Dee Dee

    Clearly, USA 's foreign policy has been hijacked by elements that are funding Obama's election coffers. We will request list of contributors and research further and share results with you. This butting heads with Pakistan is conduct unbecoming from a world power. The rebuff from Pakistan is indeed humiliating for USA. USA needs to pick fights with countries their size such as China, Russia, India etc.

    June 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
  15. krm1007 ©™

    as a pakistani i would like to say ... bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw bhaw

    June 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Reply
  16. krm1007 ©™

    Without a doubt Pakistan needs to move away from American sphere of influence. Not many countries/friends/allies have benefited from American friendship. Certainly not Pakistan. As Yogi Berra said, "When You Reach a Crossroad, Take It " !!! This is your opportunity to walk away from American grip. It will mean a lot of sacrifices short term but will be worth it in the long run. DO IT !!

    June 12, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
    • Trevor

      I'll list the countries that are allies of the U.S. and/or "friendly" towards the U.S. and you list the ones that are not, and then we'll compare our lists on how they "stack up" against each other...you're first.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Reply
      • axby

        @Trevor OK, lets start with South Korea.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
      • Johann

        love the kimchee; don't care much for dog meat.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  17. Hawk_Pakistan

    Perhaps the UN or ICC can investigate/debate the legality of USA/NATO actions. Or perhaps go to arbitration. There are ways to resolve this if one is intends to do it in a civilized manner. Otherwise, Pakistan is ready to take the gloves off. It is better to die with dignity rather than live in subjugation as some other countries around in the region.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:52 am | Reply
  18. Bucky

    Pakistan has essentially told USA to go pound sand. This is not what USA was expecting. They are used to butt kissing from other meekly neighboring countries. Has left the Americans stunned. When you pull negotiators out that means you have lost the battle and out of ideas and have lost respect. Does not bode well for USA.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:46 am | Reply
    • axby

      Contrary to what you are saying, it is the US which is pounding Pakistan with drone strikes several times a week. The frequency and intensity of the drone strikes have become increasingly worse with Pakistan's uncooperative stance. Coincidence? I think not.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
      • Dee Dee

        Nothing to be proud about. It is called bullying. As we all know this act is also against all norms of International law and protection of National Sovereignty under the United Nations Charter to which USA and Pakistan are signatories. Such acts of aggression are uncalled for from a civilized nation that purports to be a global leader. If your point is that it is free for all, then giddyup and keep on looking over your shoulders. This is the very reason that China is emerging as an alternate world power.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
      • axby

        It's called counter-terrorism not bullying. Primitive strategy like Islamic terrorism is no match for modern technology like drones. The counter-terrorism efforts will not stop and Pakistan will continue to incur heavy losses. The outcome is inevitable - the writing is on the wall - the sooner Pakistan realizes that less the damage it would be subjected to.

        June 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  19. Charlie

    We are broke fighting this war in afghanistan, iraq, etc. We can't even afford to pay pakistan for transit costs. Why don't we ask them to give us a loan at same underwriting criteria as world bank/imf has for them.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:40 am | Reply
    • WhatWilliDo

      I believe Pakistanis have spent $billions in addition to what the US has paid. Those were the services invoices that the US is not paying – as if it were AID. Those were pre-approved invoices by US liaison officers in country but the State dept. and Pentagon are not paying.
      Pakistan have used the loans it got from all over the world to finance those expenses and now the US does not want to pay the bill.

      June 13, 2012 at 4:52 am | Reply
  20. Reprinted With Permission ©

    While most countries are languishing in economic malaise and engulfed in bubble bursts, Pakistan is poised for a record growth in the months and years to come as the western retreat from Afghanistan begins.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:24 am | Reply
  21. Reprinted With Permission ©

    PAKISTAN !!!!

    Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
    US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.

    Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.

    No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.

    Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
    You deserve a permanent seat in the UN Security Council for your contributions to world peace and emergence of a new world order. We welcome your rise as the new regional military power. God Speed.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:19 am | Reply
  22. jr

    Pakistan's response so far has been swift, strong and meaningful to the US/NATO et al. Americans kicked out of the airbase, logistic supply support halted to Afghanistan, US ambassador summoned and admonished..

    June 12, 2012 at 8:16 am | Reply
  23. jr

    US/NATO need to understand that this is not cowardly and meek India they are dealing with.....this is Pakistan they are messing with. DON'T MESS WITH PAKISTAN.....People!!!! US/Nato were obviously not expecting such a strong response from Pakistanis.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:14 am | Reply
  24. Samuel Brinckerhoff PhD

    Pakistan’s WMD Assets keep the neighbors and the world awake by its mere military symbolism both defensive and offensive. Therein lies its beauty as a deterrent. The delivery system also has been perfected by Pakistan for medium range conflict which includes a 1500+ mile range. Current focus is on rapid deployment with MIRMs. One can draw his or her own conclusions by looking at a map

    June 12, 2012 at 8:10 am | Reply
    • Samuel Brinckerhoff PhD

      This strategy has enabled Pakistan to emerge and coronate itself as a regional military power

      June 12, 2012 at 8:11 am | Reply
  25. Zane Abdullah

    Good for USA. Please don't send the negotiators back. Good luck and good bye. Fight your own wars.

    June 12, 2012 at 8:03 am | Reply
  26. Abbasi_Pakistan

    Pakistan has taken a very principled stand. The Pakistan parliament has spoken and their position is very clear to USA et al. Apologize for murdering human beings. Follow International law with respect to sovereignty of nations.This is not about money but about standing up to international bullies who in cohort with bad apples in neighborhood are trying to muscle Pakistan. So, people, listen up.

    June 12, 2012 at 7:09 am | Reply
    • Trevo

      The U.S. does apologize for collateral damage resulting in the killing of innocent civilians inside Pakistan and has paid out compensation for our actions almost all the time. You need to get out a dictionary and look up the definition of "murder" and if it fits the killing of terrorists and/or those that harbor terrorists that threaten and/or murder your countrymen or you citizens SO BE IT.

      Lets be very clear here...EVERY country INCLUDING the Pakistani governments has "murdered" people, so get off your "principled" and seemingly "blameless" high horse as if your country is not just guilty for doing the EXACT SAME THINGS.

      Finally, respecting soverignty of nations? ALL drone strikes conducted by the U.S. inside Pakistan have the full CONSENT and AUTHORIZATION by the Paskistani government...so drop the "illegality" crap. You have no idea the coordination and "hoops" the U.S. government goes through when these operations are conducted...and it is plainly evident by your "crying foul" comments.

      June 12, 2012 at 7:35 am | Reply
    • Butch

      I agree @ Abbasi. However, I don't think USA is getting the message. These are election times in USA and rationality does not prevail during such times, unfortunately. Clouds will clear later on this year. What is interesting is that Pakistan may control the outcome of the US elections this year and they know it. So they are pushing the buttons to get the US Admin to fall in line.

      June 12, 2012 at 8:58 am | Reply
  27. Kyle

    The government of the United States does not negotiate with the terrorists.

    June 11, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Reply
  28. Wendy

    What are we doing in Afghanistan to begin with? Did not the 9/11 attackers originate fron Saudi Arabia? Hmmmm

    June 11, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Reply
    • Trevor

      Wendy- Hmmm...that is like saying lets attack Canada because the folks were born in Canada but trained and based their operations out of Mexico, with the consent of the Mexican government...think your comment through next time you engage your mouth.

      June 12, 2012 at 7:44 am | Reply
    • Butch

      We could not attack Saudi Arabia as disruption in oil supply would have created havoc throughout the world particulalry USA. Plus the Bush family had and still has substantial business dealings with the king there. So the only way to save face was to put the monkey on Afghanistan's shoulder as it was an orphan to begin with. Now, being in Afghanistan also gives us an excuse to be geographically closer to China, establish miliatry bases there, tap into the natural resources for ourselves and allies and open up the trade/energy corridors having implications all the way to Europe which is NATO's domain.

      June 12, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
      • Trevor

        I've heard these claims of U.S. intentions to establish bases to launch strikes against China...that is absolutely absurd, the vast majority of China's infrastructure is on their east coast some 2,600 nm away, out of range for all strike aircraft except B-2s and those aircraft would have to traverse practically the entire country through a layered GTACS, hundreds of tactical/strategic SAM sites and several dozen fighter/interceptor bases. In addition, I've been to these "bases" and NOTHING is being done to build them up into major facilties to support aircraft like the B-2 to operate. And how about providing creditable links to wide spread articles discussing big bad U.S. companies just waiting to move in and exploit this area.

        June 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
  29. Chuck

    Don't let the Americans/NATO et al put the Afghanistan monkey on your shoulders again, Pakistan.
    This is their problem not yours, Pakistan. Be Smart !!

    June 11, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  30. Samuel Brinckerhoff PhD

    Pakistan is riding the wave to regional dominance….a phenomenon that is best described by Shakespeare as follows::::

    There is a tide in the affairs of men.
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.

    Now is the time to kick the American behind to the curb and move forward with respect and honor.

    June 11, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Reply
    • Trevor

      When the U.S. pulls its money and intelligence capability that Pakistan has been sucking off for 10+ years now, it will be the beginning of a Muslim extremist take over and dominance of the entire region from Afghanistan to Kashmir.

      June 12, 2012 at 7:53 am | Reply
      • Butch

        As you will recall, the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh et al) were all at one time ruled by muslim dynasty called The Moghals" who left behind all the prosperity as we know it today. People are nostalgic of these times and inability of these countries to add further value. So a return to an overalll muslim rule is not out of the realm of possibility. Keep an eye on the demograhpics as the answer lies there !!

        June 12, 2012 at 9:04 am |
  31. Say It As You See It ©

    Excellent opportunity for Pakistan to break loose of American influence. It is better to starve/live in poverty but in dignity and freedom than be dictated by the likes of thankless Americans who want to suck your blood for a bag of peanuts...that too unsalted!!

    June 11, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  32. Agha P

    Americans need to learn to fight their own wars. With friends like Americans who needs enemies. One cannot win wars by throwing money at the problem .. you need b@lls!
    As far as Pakistan is concerned, this about sums it up....

    All hands on deck, Pakistan.
    The world is lovely, bright and deep,
    But we have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before we sleep
    And miles to go before we sleep.

    June 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Reply
  33. Bucky

    Pakistan “RISING” has established itself as part of a very dynamic regional paradigm amalgamating it geographically with Central Asia, Middle East and Europe. While also situated at the gateway to the Arabian Gulf, Pakistan will also have access to the waters of the Caspian Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Black Sea, Arabian Sea, China Sea and the Pacific Ocean. This positions Pakistan at the crossroads to peace and prosperity in the world and economic well-being as well as military clout.

    June 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Reply
    • Trevor

      Before you start touting "peace" you need to rid the country of terrorists blowing themselves up almost weekly across the country killing innocent people. Just a "little" problem they may want to deal with first...

      June 12, 2012 at 7:58 am | Reply
  34. adamclayton

    only one person is soley responsible for this fail talks his name is Leon panetta when he talks trash in india about pakistan what he will get from pakistan then a finger salute what a goff is he..

    June 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
  35. George Patton

    This is the best news we had in months. Now let's all hope that Pakistan stands it's grounds and not cave in to the right-wing thugs in Washington D.C.!!!

    June 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Reply
  36. GaryS

    Fine with me, lets take our money too and get the F out.
    With friends like these who needs enemies. Screw em.

    June 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • ddpp

      and bomb those fuel trucks waiting on other side of the border on the way back!!

      June 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Reply
      • WhatWilliDo

        @ddpp – Interesting solution. BTW – do you realize that Pakistan is a sovereign state that has helped us on every occasion and every time our business is done we LEAVE THEM STRANDED AND UNPROTECTED in an UGLY neighborhood. We are doing the same things all over again. Democrats in the white house will always undermine Pakistan. This is ridiculous.

        June 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  37. krm1007 ©™

    PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.

    With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.

    June 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Reply
    • ddpp

      PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway of Islamic Terrorism to Central Asia and Europe.

      June 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Reply
    • jr

      Perhaps gateway to New Delhi...@ddpp. What say you? lol
      Love to see a highway connecting Shalimar gardens to Taj Mahal.

      June 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm | Reply
  38. krm1007 ©™

    Across all religions and cultures it is a basic tenet of human decency that human lives are valued and apologies are offered to the aggrieved by those responsible for the deaths. It nothing more, the words of apology are soothing to the families of those who died. In this case, Pakistan's contention is that Afghan forces and Indian intelligence deliberately provided misleading information to US/NATO forces and used them to kill 24 Pakistani paramilitary soldiers.

    June 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
    • krm1007 ©™

      Due to the prevailing political climate in USA, the apology appears to be forthcoming after preventive measures are put in place to minimize political outfall, polls are conducted to gage the effect and a face saving exit from Afghanistan has been figured out. It is a matter of time. Meantime, it will be a gesture of utmost magnanimity and generosity by Pakistan to continue to enable friends and allies to achieve common goals by offering their resources and stand with them shoulder to shoulder. This is what separates men from boys. However, there should be no more free lunches. Pakistan has paid a disproportionate share of costs both in lives and kind in fighting this terror war to make USA, the World and its neighbors safe. Enough is enough.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm | Reply
      • loc1985

        Basic Human tendency to apologize to the victims. So according to your logic Pakistanis are subhumans since
        1. Massacre of millions of Bangladeshi literates,scholars,armymen,teachers by Pakistani Army ..no apologies
        2. Killings of Baloch natives by Pakistani army....no apologies
        3. Killing and dissappearance of lot of foreign journos by Pakistani ISI......no apologies
        4. Karachi being used as a launch pad for terror attack in Mumbai ....no apoligies...

        The list will go on.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
      • krm1007 ©™

        As far as Pakistan-USA relations are concerned there are none and both countries need to move on in different directions. They have not been able to develop friendship in 60 years. The biggest favor that USA can do for Pakistan is to stop all reimbursements/aid. Pakistan should stand on its feet. With the right leadership this can be achieved in 9 months.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
  39. faster5

    Mr Panetta’s complaint is that militants based in Pakistan cross into Afghanistan and join their comrades there to conduct attacks on foreign and Afghan forces. But before the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001-2002 there were no Afghan Taliban or other foreign extremists in Pakistan. There were no militant bases in Pakistan’s tribal areas. The region was hardly tranquil, simply because the tribes continued to be as hot-blooded as they have been for centuries, but there was nothing approaching the insurgency that now exists — that was caused entirely by the US invasion of Afghanistan.
    Before the US invasion of Afghanistan there had been one single suicide bombing in Pakistan (in 1995, and that was by an Egyptian loony). Last year there were over forty. And since the US invasion of Afghanistan the entire border region has been destabilized and Pakistan’s internal security situation has become dire. In the years after the US invasion of Afghanistan drove Taliban and other militants out of the country the Pakistan army and the para-military Frontier Corps have lost 3,019 soldiers killed in operations against them along the Afghan border. 9,681 have been wounded.
    There are over two million Afghan refugees being looked after in Pakistan which is host to the greatest number of refugees living in any country in the world. They are an enormous burden, culturally and economically, but they can’t go home because the US war has made it impossible for them to be assimilated in their own country. And Pakistan patiently accepts their presence and hopes for stability in Afghanistan so that they can go home.

    June 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • AL

      Thats not true Pakistan has been a hotbed for Militants for a very very long time and the world knew it. They helped the mujaheddin during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, during that time Pakistan also carried an enormous burden of Afghan Refugees larger than the one that it has now, yet the Americans helped Pakistan with the refugees during that time and they are doing it now also by providing billions of dollars in economic assistance. Yes Pakistani soldier were killed in an accidental airstrike , but many American soldiers and Afghan soldiers and civilians and Pakistani civilians have been killed by the militants that cross between the border. If Pakistan truly wants to be secured it only makes sense that it works with NATO and the US to stabilize Afghanistan, it would be good for both Afghan civilians and Pakistanis. Yet the Pakistani military is the one that rules Pakistan and it has for years, the civilian government is a puppet of the military, and dismantling the militant networks along the Afghan border would also put pressure on the military to do the same to the militant and terror groups that are in function along the border with India which Pakistan's military has supported for years.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Reply
    • Trevor

      Those refugees being looked after by Pakistanis on primarily the U.S.'s dime...you can drop the finanical burden claim right now.

      June 12, 2012 at 8:05 am | Reply
  40. axby

    Pakistanis are taking a short sighted view and do not realize the gravity of the situation. Their approach is reactionary rather than forward looking. It wouldn't work either financially or strategically. The US has negotiated $1250 fee for the northern route through other countries. It is unreasonable for Pakistanis to think that their outrageous $5000 price gouging would ever work after the alternate northern route agreement with other countries. So, financially the Pakistani demand does even not make sense.
    Furthermore, the drones are pounding the terrorists with awesome success. And while the talks are suspended, the US will happily continue its drone strike against terrorists - and Pakistan has no leverage without the ongoing talks. So, this approach will not work strategically either.
    Pakistanis are pushing themselves into a corner by taking a hard line position on apology and price gouging. Pakistanis are fast approaching a point of no return.

    June 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
    • AlexShch

      This may be viewed this way, but one also take into consideration of what else is at stake for both US, Pakistan, and other players involved.

      Personally, if I were Putin, I would shutdown the so called "northern route" altogether effective immediately.

      Yes, there are financial and political benefits for Russia by shipping US/NATO cargo and allowing to use Russia's airspace (same applies to Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, and Tadjikistan), but US presence in the region is also source of instability and radicalization of various extremest groups, which ultimately cause problems. This does not mean that US directly support and agitate these groups (although there were such instances in the past, Uzbekistan, 2005), but rather contribute into the general ismalization and radicalization of Taliban-like organization throughout Middle-Asia who are basically inspired by surviving and winning (in their views) Taliban in Afghanistan. Another problem is massive increase in drug production and trade. All these problems will became Russia's problems. Before the arrival of US life in Middle Asia was very boring: no election campaigns, no wars, nothing. Weather is good all year around. Same "bay" (typically a former Communist Party leader converted himself to a moderate Islam, but not practicing it any way) sits there and rules for a decade or two. Stability via stagnation. Just go to local farmers market to buy something and to entertain yourself.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Reply
      • axby

        Putin has the brutal Chechen terrorists to worry about. Chechens have earned their pariah status with Russia and its allies. Pakistan miscalculated the risk and has been training Chechen terrorists. So, Putin would never shut down the northern routes – no way!! Putin would rather earn some goodwill with the West, especially to balance his Syrian imbroglio. The northern routes make sense both financially and strategically to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. Putin would bless the northern distribution network.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
      • AlexShch

        At first, Chechen terrorists have nothing to do with Afghanistan: this is completely unrelated problem. Besides what kind of help Putin can expect from the West is dealing with Chechen problems? Just to get a temporal ease in propaganda pressure? Meaning that some journalists who usually say something bad about Putin will abstain for a month or two, or go on vacation or something? Big deal.

        June 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  41. Thor

    They have every right to price gouge, when their weddings are being crashed by Hellfire missles....

    It's time to rethink this foolish ME policy....

    June 11, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
    • fromusofa

      Pakistanies are ready to eat grass if they have to, but they will not let anyone intimidate them on thier own land at any cost....they can charg $10 million dollars per NATO truck to go thru thier territory or they can simply seal the border off completely forever no matter what. period...everyone should go to Pathan's resturant (Drug (Nashwar business) from North to drink thier tea...LOL

      June 11, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • Trevor

      Wendy- Hmmm...that is like saying lets attack Canada because the folks were born in Canada but trained and based their operations out of Mexico, with the consent of the Mexican government...think your comment through next time you engage your mouth.

      June 12, 2012 at 7:43 am | Reply
      • Trevor

        My mistake...re-posted appropriately.

        June 12, 2012 at 7:44 am |

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