FIRST ON CNN: Intel chief wants more lie detector tests to deter leaks
By Suzanne Kelly
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper wants more government employees to be subject to an enhanced lie detector test as a deterrent to leaking classified information, an intelligence source told CNN Thursday.
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As he briefs top intelligence lawmakers who are outraged over a series of recent leaks of classified information, Clapper wants to widen the numbers of people across government agencies who would be required to take the “Counterintelligence Polygraph,” the source said.
The move would be aimed at government employees who hold top-secret clearance, including employees at the 16 intelligence agencies he oversees, but also at other departments, such as State and Defense, which have employees with access to similar information, according to the intelligence source. But the scope of Clapper's efforts would not include White House officials who also are privy to classified information.As of now, not everyone with that clearance level is required to take this specific polygraph, which, the source said, would have questions added to it, including whether the employee has passed information to journalists or other unauthorized recipients, for example.
Clapper is pushing for a number of bold changes to government procedures in order to detect and stop leaks, according to the source, which would also include looking at circumstances under which clearances might be revoked or suspended, and reviewing a number of other administrative policies.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, is calling for new provisions to be added to the intelligence authorization bill, including requiring congressional notification of authorized leaks of information, and finding more severe ways to crack down on those who are not cleared to disclose information but do it anyway.
Feinstein was joined by counterparts on the House Committee on Intelligence in saying that a recent string of leaks are dangerous to the U.S. intelligence community and sometimes endanger lives.
Included among those instances were: disclosures about an ongoing operation deep inside al Qaeda as they developed a bomb to potentially be used against the United States; reports of drones carrying out targeted killings; and leaked information about the Stuxnet virus, which rendered centrifuges at an Iranian nuclear enrichment facility inoperable.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, the ranking member on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said after meeting with Clapper that there is "no more important issue than this issue."
Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has blamed the White House of intentionally leaking classified information to burnish President Barack Obama's national security image five months before the presidential election.
National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday that those allegations "have no basis in fact." Feinstein and Senate Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, said they do not believe recent leaks came from the top ranks of the White House.
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Why is CNN not reporting that Diane Feinstein and a counsel investigating leaks says they are coming from the White House. Dont you think that might be a little important?
Since Clapper brought this lie detector thing up let's apply it in this order. Start with the infamous Fast and Furious and put Obummer and then Holder to the test. Then broaden the topic to WH leaks and again test Obummer and Holder first. If they pass, then it can be broaden to other government employees.
Anyone who has taken polys will tell you how crude the device is. In the 80's Reagan wanted to expand the use of polygraphs (including polygraphing his cabinet) due to leaks in that era. His Sec. State at that time, George Shultz refused and told Ronnie that he would resign if he was asked to taken one.
Polygraphs are not accurate but are used as a 'coercive interrogation device'. They do elicit various confessions during screening because polygraph sessions can drag on for 3-4 hours at a time (full scope poly) and your focus can waver.
The main issue with the polygraph however is that it is very blunt. It does measure overall physiological responses decently but it is not accurate at pinpointing issues for a particular question.
John Pollard, Aldrich Ames, Richard Hassen all passed polys. They are used a lot at the IC's because it is cheaper to weed out potential employees before initiating expensive Background Investigations but polys do not do a good job accurate separting wheat from chaff. They throw the baby out with the bathwater. A crude instrument that provides a false sense of security to agencies who do not want to spend the extra/actually investigate all case files/employees.
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Save time and money - just start at the top.
Lie detector tests don't work for people who do not know the difference between right and wrong or that lie for a living.
Don't waste your time in DC.
No kidding. If the lie detectors aren't going to include those at the White House, nothing will be accomplished.
Lie detectors are complete pseudo-scientific nonsense. You might as well administer chakra tests.
I'd like to give Dick Cheney a polygraph.
The polygraph for Dick Cheney should only be done... if it includes industrial 440v shocks when he tells a fib. 😀
Start with the WHite House
This is idiotic. POLYGRAPHS DO NOT WORK. The only folks who will claim they do are polygraph operators.This is pseudo-science at it worst.
I agree, see how well it worked with preventing what Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen did.
Oh HUSH now! The war on Drugs is working perfectly! "Lie Detector" science proven many times through common psychiatric analysis has results that show they don't work, BUT they kind of work if you spread the lie that they do! So we just gotta keep spreading the lie that Gun control works! That lie detectors work, and that the war on drugs is working and just wait a little while longer for it all to come true.
Sarcasm off now. how much longer do we have to wait before we can throw out grandpas shoddy scientific practices?
What we need are professional psychological evaluations to analyze people, not 'space age" seismographs.
It's all about Israel....
The should have started with Baby Bush four years ago..The worst President ever
Obama can release anything he wants as President. What makes any of you thing any or even part is the truth or no part of mislead or any of the other games than other games that intel plays. Explain why most Russian advisors left Iran before the virus hit. Suppose we cover something there by talking here? Truth is a lie and lies are the truth sometimes.
The President is held to the same rules of protecting classified information as the rest of us that hold access are. It's perhaps arguable that he can release whatever he wants, but that doesn't make it declassified, just leaked.
Congress and the White House are two of the biggest leakers of classified information going, followed closely be a largely irresponsible press that prints everything it ca get its hands on without a moment's consideration for potential damage to the U.S.
Another VERY serious problem is over-classification; some agencies would classify the menu at the local carry out if they could get away with it. When everything is classified, nothing is protected.
Start with the Obamas. I dare them to take it.
lol yeah to find out he was born in hawaii
Mr. Obama, you yourself wrote before you wanted to be President that you were born on Kenya. Your publisher had it on record for years, and you never changed it. All of a sudden now it's a 'typo'. Care to explain that?
Please people, stop saying The President leaked classified material, he is the only person that can declassify at will so if the President wants to tell anyone anything he can do it. And as for leaaking, every government leaks for a varity of reasons it is the way the world works.
No need for the tests now. They can just check to see who's googled "Beating lie detector results". Should save the taxpayers.
Only the catastrophically moronic have any faith in polygraph testing...they have a 100% failure rate in their originally-intended purpose – catching spies.
Yup. No spies ever have failed a polygraph test. On the flipside, it's easy to fail a polygraph test even if you're not guilty.
The very fact that such things are still legal...let alone tolerated...is a massive embarrassment.
I agree with the LIE detector tests. Being an intelligence professional you have a responsbility. Unfortunately, the folks who are in the White House (The People's Home) do not seem to care. They are only there for a short time and think they can do and say what they want with impunity while the rest of us professionals know we could go to jail for leaking information. I believe they are doing it with the blessing at the highest level in the USG.
Ok, Gary. It's your turn.
its funny how people in this administration talk and talk and talk. Sooner or later they may release some info that gets Obama impreached. I am sure Obama is a dirty president. looking at his history of influence by people like Bill Ayers etc.
really? and the past admin wasn't dirty. no bid contracts awarded to the vp's company, both are head deep in the oil business, and oh yeah, god told him to invade iraq. typical repub to point fingers while their own party is all messed up. nothing like passing the blame.
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Please find out who did it because John McCain is sounding like Donald Trump making accusations but can't give any names.
What is really funny is that there is a "Senate Intelligence Committee" and a "House Intelligence Committee"! Oxymorons like Jumbo Shrimp!
Why not do tarot readings? They are just as accurate as a polygraph machine.
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The first test should be Obama. The people would laugh their butts off seeing that everything out of his mouth is a lie.
Start with Axelrod.,..
Can't any of you folks spell correctly? That really makes us look pretty bad if you can't spell the word.....leaks not leeks and requirement not requirment....oh boy!
Dickhed and not Dikhead.
Yes, it is pretty bad. I agree it makes us look pretty bad and uneducated.
Tea Partie losers.
Says the person who doesn't properly use Capital Letters?
Come on.
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Study the science. Polygraph tests don't work.
Maybe you need to take one since you know it all.
You're a liar.
Haha, hook that thing up to O-blame-o the clown and it will blow up.
And exactly what will YOU be blowing?
Not exactly what Monica did, I'd presume...
Wow, and everyone accused Bush of wanting a police state. Here we go, next will be the GPS transmitters and computer chips with all of our information.
This is for people who are going to have access to classified information.
Does the President undergo polygraph tests? Should he?
Agreed, Bush and Cheney should have.
no elected officials are subject to poly. POTUS/Congress that have access to ts/sci info do not need to be poly or subject to SSBI.
leaks are have been good for the government keeps em honest to some degree
going them anyway start the lairs on capital hill
I had a security clearance for over 40 years when I worked in the defense industry. If I had spilled the beans as often as these political hacks have, I would still be in San Quentin. I knew the importance of keeping my mouth shut and it is obvious these dimwits do not!
Better have Congress and their staffers take the polygraph too since they are some of the biggest leakers
So the Director of National Intelligence wants to waterboard its own employees. They may not say that now, but that's where it eventually goes.
They will go for relatively employees, with diverse backgrounds. CI & CO will subsequently, create a "witch hunt" to find something anything to discredit this person. They will find something. Because everyone makes mistakes and it all depends how behavior is interpreted. Most likely they will find some minor issue. It will be something others are allowed to get away with every day. However, in the case of the targeted individual they will argue: See we told you: "these people should not work for us." Because once targeted the office doing the investigations feel they need to prove themselves. Its all about the ego at this point and not about being fair to the employee.
The „system" will spend enormous amounts of energy and resources on these individuals, not giving up, because it has to be proven that: "they were right all along. Meanwhile the leaking will go on. End of the story the target employee´s reputation will be ruined (because none of their personal information is really personal and for years to come the employee will have to face the music), the government will have spend our tax dollars barking up the wrong tree and THE LEAKING CONTINUES.
At least the intolerant extreme right wing will have succeeded in running out another employee, "who should not be there anyway."
Riigghhtttttt! Because the intolerant, murderous LEFT-wing would never do that. Right? Barry? What say you?
Start with obama, then work your way through the White House and his reelection staff. That's where the leeks are.
1. Nice spelling. I'm sad that you are able to vote. 2. It was Dick Cheney that ousted a CIA clandestine agent for clearly political purposes...name one thing President Obama or any of his staff has ever leaked ( <--correct spelling)
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What a losers. Must be a leek for tea party.
Isn't it the first requirment for all govt officials to be able to fake a polygraph test? Or is it to be able to lie convencingly? Can't remember which it is?
That's a great idea.
Demand that more people have a polygraph before they can work for the government. And since you can't get most jobs without first having the polygraph, that makes those who DO have a polygraph more expensive (eg. government employees).
Polys present more problems than they solve.
The poly comes down to the reader, and this person will always be pressured to come up with a quota (goal is mroe accurate) of how many positives they will get.
Polys act as a deterrent for epople to do their jobs. For example, after Ames was found, the CIA went on a poly spree, and their initial poly spree showed some ridiculous number like 40% of all operatives were spying against the US. This poly spree created paranoia throughout the agency because now people were too scared for their jobs to communicate to others, thus leading to intelligence breakdowns. It is this intel breakdown that led to the 9/11 attacks as by then, the CIA has been so gutted and filled with fear, no one wanted to share any info because they were scared of being accused as a spy.
A poly is not accurate, and it relies on the reader who can have bias in their interpretation. The FBI fought to keep it in their hiring, yet fought against its use in the court system, because they know how inaccurate it is, but since they have so many applicants, they do not care that over 50% of them fail the poly.
The thing about the poly is you cannot prove a negative. So for example, it shows you lied about doing drugs in the past; how can you prove you did not? It is impossible to prove something you did not do, like trying to prove Santa does not exist, it is a fallacy.
I heard they gave John Boehner a similar test a while back and ask him if he put the welfare of the America people over the profits of Big Business. He said "Yes". They still haven't found the needle from the polygraph machine, although rumor has it that it was spotted by the Hubble Telescope passing Jupiter.
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J. Edgar Hoover once said "The so-called lie detector test" has released more guilty criminals AND convicted more innocent people than any instrument I know"........its a gauge on the nervous system which can be manipulated with drugs and other mental methods....its a farce. Non-confessors nearly always beat tha heat.
Just a guess, but I would say J. Edgar didn't have access to the same technology in his polygraph machines as we do today. Just a thought. Like saying Eli Whitney's cotton gin shouldn't be used today. No S**T, Sherlock!
J.Edgars dress had wires that allowed him to cheat on polygraphs.
No. Seriously. There is no technology to improve. The information is available, don't take my word for it.
Did you hear that on Fox? I thought George Bush said that. You are quite the history buff on the polygraph. Maybe you have have taken one? I Tea Party proude.
They should start with the GOP in Congress anyone that signed Grover NOquist's pledge...and remember Mitch McConnell said his number one goal was to make Obama a one term President...so he could be leaking information to make Obama look bad...just like Dick Cheney and his office help to out a CIA undercover agent..Oh that is right some one else took the fall for that...
what a joke. the subject of every major spy case in the last 40 years or so has had multiple CI polys. most had passed a lifestyle poly. Director Clapper knows this, and should know that the entire program is a huge waste of tax dollars that should have been eliminated long ago. pathetic.
Does anyone here doubt that someone can be "trained" to fool a "lie detector" test? Even torture cannot get at the "truth". You subject me to torture and I'll admit that I'm the Queen of England, if that's what you want me to do to stop the pain.
(Just coming on, but if someone has already addressed this, cut me a little slack, please.)
It's my understanding that a "lie detector" test is inadmissible in a court of law, because there are so many chances that the results may be wrong. So, if that's true, then why do so many prosecutors/defenders continue to use it to determine someone's guilt (or innocence)? Am I missing something?
Cops who have a really weak case or are incompetent frequently use it as a 'tool' to manipulate their prime suspect into confessing. You won't take it? Why? What do you have to hide? You failed? may as well come clean, boy.
Boy! The repub.lican trolls are out in full force today! LOL Sit and spin your brains out calling for a lie detector test for Obama and calling him a liar ROTFLMAO! I guess that's easier than admitting to the multi-trillion dollar disaster that is the Iraq war – based completely and totally on lies. Those two criminals have never been made to answer for that. Oops, your rasism is showing again!
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I really do not understand what many hope to gain by the cheap shots at Obama or Bush or Cheney – was it supposed to clever? did they think are scoring points? actually persuading anyone. There are two problems with this 1) it's partisan so most of us just ignore it 2) Its ALL been heard before – none of it is overly clever, earth shattering, new, except to discount the opinions of those posting. What is the point?
it's called an open forum for posting one's opinions under freedom of speech
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Lie detectors do not work at all. They are wasting money asking people to take it. I know for a fact they are no good. There is no such thing as a lie dectector when will stupid people give this up. No true scientist or educated person would say using such a machine can detect the truth unless they cheated in school
Even George Burns was wrong about Gaylord Focker on multiple occasions. Lie detectors can't be trusted.
Opps. It was Jack Burns. Not George.
technically, the IC refers to it as a polygraph examination. only lazy & sensationalist "reporters" call it a lie detector. but you are correct, it does not work.
Sure you don't want to employ water-boarding? and witch burning too? The Vatican can advise and loan you some medieval torture devices that they used on early Christians during the Inquisition! Silly people, secrets are for criminals!
In reality, Vatican inquisition, torture and burning was directed at anybody not followng the Vatican line especially scientists like Bruno (1600). Spanish Inquisitions in the 1500 was directed against the remaining Jews who "converted" but secretly practiced their Jewish faith. Hitler was a copycat.
LOL. Polygraphs don't work. This director should know better. One of his buddies must own a polygraph firm.
LMAO but I believe you!
not laughing, this is my tax dollars being incinerated, but I believe it too. DNI should know better. the rest of us do.
Jeez people! I wonder if your comments would be so flippant if you had friends or families in the special forces of our military putting their lives on the line? These talking heads vying for political points in the Obama Administration are on the verge of commiting treason.
no more than the last one did.
I hope you were just as outraged at the Bush W.H. leaks that directly outed FBI agents. Also, I just don't see how talking about cyber attacks puts anyone in danger or the program. They are constantly changing and, to one extent or the other, almost every industrialized nation is using them. How does one prove what country a virus comes from after their computer has been attacked? As far as putting forces in danger, I think the disgusting behavior of those troops in Afghanistan have done much more damage and have truly put U.S. forces all over the world in danger.
Yes...it's only an outrage when it's the "other guy" doing it.
I guess it makes sense... he sort of looks like a HITLER!!!!?
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Can we give Bush and Cheney one first???
Good one,
Give it up dude. Bush hasn't been in office in over 3 years. I can't believe you are still stuck on that. How about you focus on the current president's failures and lies and deception.
Actually, we all still live every single day with the damage, both financially and globally, that were created by that disasterous 8 years, so it's valid whether you agree with it or not.
We should forget the damage done by W for 8 years, and pretend that all this mess is Obama's? You will find many war widows, war orphans, injured vets who will take exception to that. Bushy walked out with 700,000 jobs a month disappearing, 2 UNFUNDED wars underway, Medicaid Drug Plan unfunded, auto industry on death's bed, huge tax cuts to those wonderful "Job Creators"....on and on. Take your head out.
Start with the guy in the Oval Office please. Thanks.
Well we need to start at the beginning of this mess to figure out how to never repeat it again. Obviously that would only be accomplished by never electing another republican again.
Good response.
Then start with Clinton and don't stop with Obama! Lying isn't a partisan sport, it's the sport of kings.
Why don't we just waterboard them. If it was good enough for Bush and Cheney, it ought to be good enough for Obama!
what do you think "enhanced lie detectors" are?
Next will be the Iron Maiden and Thumb Screws with the Gibbet hanging outside NSA offices occupied by those found "guilty".
As if a "lie detector" actually works – there's a reason they not allowed in court as evidence.
They need to start with the president. He is in serious need of a lie detector test.
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The lawmakers constantly leak information under the “condition of anonymity” Why is they do not take a poly? Especially the intelligence commity? (contradiction in terms) They see data that’s classified way beyond the TS full scope poly’s! Don’t care if you’re an elected official they should have to test as well! That will stop a lot!
For starters, Obama, Holder, and Pelosi should be given a lie detector test every morning, noon, and night. When they lie they should be knocked in the side of the head.
Did you mean to say "comity" or "committee" ? At least you spelled intelligence correctly even if the rest of you post was unintelligible.
Typical...
"We've got to stop these people from leaking the illegal things we are doing!"
"Umm... shouldn't we just stop doing all the illegal things?"
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Right on the money!!!
Yes, U.S. intelligence operatives infiltrating terrorist groups in Yemen is SUCH a horrible crime! How dare they! Good thing someone leaked the operational details that put our assets in danger!
Under current laws anyone passing/leaking classified information is punishable of at least 10 years in jail and 250K fine. So why is it law makers can leak classified info and not get in trouble but anyone else goes to jail?
The same applies to them. If there are actually instances of that I would like to know.
How about a truth detector?
According to the birthers the intelligence agency under the control of the Bush/Chaney regime couldn't simply verify the birth place of Obama when he became a US Senator. How lame can U Be.
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Anyone who knows anything about them recognizes that lie detector test results are a joke. At best they frighten ignorant people into "confessing." Beating them is easier than lying to your mother. What it does is put a big question mark on anyone who is threatened with such a test. Refuse and you are assumed to be guilty. Take one and the simple fact that your are "freaked out" by the "show" surrounding such a test can make you look guilty. Nothing is answered. The real "criminal" – if that is what they are – is generally able to beat the test without difficulty.
This is a joke. But one that will certainly damage people who are innocent – and no one seems to care.
I see polygraphers at work in my job. I was skeptical at first but see that they do have it down to a pretty good science. Especially in screening you for something you feel guilty about like stealing. However they are only as good as the operator. Cut corners and you get a bad result.
Incorrect. There is no science behind polygraphy. It is pseudo-science. Your coworkers have you suckered.
Lie Detector tests are passed by the guilty and the innocent are failed. This is why the tests are NOT allowed as evidence in court, nor are legally binding, except in the clinically paranoid CIA, FBI, DEA, NSA – notice a pattern here? The federal government agencies tasked to protect the country and citizens use inaccurate, flawed devices to supposedly sift out the guilty from the innocent. Question Everything and remain skeptical of our government.
Sorry, you are grossly misinformed.
It's likely you have NEVER taken a polygraph exam, or been educated about its strengths and weaknesses.
For your education, in the U.S. Government, the polygraph is NEVER used as the sole basis of making a decision about a person's honesty, integrity, or character. It is one tool, among many, to assist in the decision-making process.
In reply to the poster "w....." regarding polys not being the sole tool.
It depends on the agency. At some IC agencies, multiple 'inconclusive' polys are enough to drop a COE without any further investigations. The poly is a blunt tool and not a precision scalpel. The SOR usually used in that case is "deception on poly" which is impossible to refute.
Expanding polys is a lazy and poor solution; administrators love making this recommendation because it makes them feel/sound like they are doing something when in reality it does not solve much.
GIving a narcicistic, pathalogical liar a polygraph will only confirm that they are a narcisitic, pathalogical liar.
Even the prez should be required to take a lie detector test, they no doubt have access to classified information so they should be no different.
There's no need to polygraph the President or other elected officials. Regardless of the results, the polygrapher can't undo the results of the election.
Imagine if any particular party in power were to use polygraph results to target the opposition. They could swap out all of the opposition party that was just elected for their own candidates. The U.S. would quickly become a one-party country (ie. Communists).
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Anything to stop the truth!
Which is, of course, beamed into your tin hat.
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There's things you just don't need to know.
Just behave yourself and keep paying your taxes.
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The bad news is that for whatever rsoaen, either the Cain scandal or something else, some moderates who might have voted for the GOP seem to be going back to Obama. Here are some interesting poll numbers. Remember the goal is to beat Obama. We have to win. Eyes on the prize. I'm sure the polls will change again over time: President Obama now essentially ties, 43% to 42%, a “generic” Republican candidate when U.S. registered voters are asked whom they are more likely to vote for in the presidential election next year. This marks a change from October and September, when the Republican candidate was ahead, and underscores the potential for a close presidential race in the year ahead.Voter preferences on this measure have shifted somewhat from survey to survey over the last year, but support for both Obama and the Republican has varied within a relatively narrow 38% to 47% range.Obama gains two percentage points in his advantage over the Republican when taking into account the leanings of undecided voters, but the two remain in a 48% to 45% statistical tie.
Still waiting on Cheney to take one . . .
Cheney isn't currently in office, Einstein....
Naybr...go back to Fox and beg them to open up comments again.
You people are stinking up CNN with your garbage.