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By Elise Labott and Pam Benson
The conviction of a Pakistani doctor who tried to help the CIA locate the hiding place of Osama bin Laden is further exacerbating tensions between Washington and Islamabad and could affect U.S. ability to negotiate a deal with Pakistan over re-opening NATO supply lines, senior U.S. officials told CNN.
Dr. Shakil Afridi on Wednesday was convicted of treason for having assisted the United States in trying to uncover the location of the terror leader last year under the guise of a vaccination campaign in Abbottabad, Pakistan. He was sentenced to 33 years by a tribal court in northwestern Pakistan, and sent to prison in Peshawar following the ruling.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta have both spoken of their concern for Afridi, and have called for his release.
Clinton said Thursday that the United States "does not believe there is any basis for holding Dr. Afridi."
"His help, after all, was instrumental in taking down one of the world's most notorious murderers."
"This action by Dr. Afridi helped to bring about the end of the reign of terror - designed and executed by bin Laden - (and) was not in anyway a betrayal of Pakistan. ... We will continue to press it with the government of Pakistan."
Senior U.S. officials said Afridi worked with the United States prior to the bin Laden raid, but was never asked to spy on Pakistan and was only asked to help locate al-Qaeda terrorists posing a threat to both Pakistan and the United States.
"Over the course of his several years of service, Dr. Afridi was able to provide valuable information on al Qaeda in the FATA, the group's safe-haven," a senior U.S. official with knowledge of Afridi's activities in Pakistan told CNN. "Dr. Afridi was inadvertently able to confirm something we already suspected - that bin Laden's couriers practiced extraordinary operational security. Was that a key to the raid? No. Was it important? Absolutely."
Another senior U.S. official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations against al Qaeda in Pakistan told CNN that Afridi "helped save Pakistani and American lives. His activities were not treasonous, they were heroic and patriotic."
Afridi's conviction adds to an already-damaged and fractured relationship between the United States and Pakistan. Relations between the two countries essentially froze last November following the accidental killing of Pakistani soldiers in a NATO airstrike. Pakistan in turn closed supply lines into Afghanistan that NATO used to support the war effort.
Senior administration officials pointed to Clinton's statement about the ruling, which she made unprompted by any questions from journalists, as evidence of the seriousness with which the U.S. takes the issue.
Senior State Department officials have pointed to her remarks and reinforced her message in subsequent calls with Pakistani officials, the senior administration officials said.
"We are saying exactly along the lines of what she said," one senior official said. "We tell the Pakistanis they have agreed bin Laden should not have been in their country and we could easily argue that they should have been helping us get him. This case colors the attitude of the U.S. government, but also of the U.S. Congress at budget time."
Congressional outrage was in full force Thursday as the Senate Appropriations Committee voted to cut $33 million from the military aid package to Pakistan.
The figure derived from Afridi's 33-year sentence.
The 30-0 roll call was based on an amendment to the Senate version of the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations bill. The amendment calls for the $33 million to be upheld until "the Secretary of State reports to the Committees on Appropriations that Dr. Shakil Afridi has been released from prison and cleared of all charges relating to the assistance provided to the United States in locating Osama bin Laden."
The amendment was sponsored by Sens. Lindsay Graham, R-South Carolina; Dan Coats, R-Indiana; Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont; Dianne Feinstein, D-California; and Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey.
"For them to do what they did signals this is a pretty big issue," the senior administration official said.
Officials said Afridi's case could tie U.S. hands to negotiate a deal with Pakistan to reopen its border with Afghanistan to military shipments of departing NATO forces, which would resolve a sticky issue in planning the withdrawal of foreign forces.
Pakistan closed the ground routes after a NATO airstrike in November killed two dozen of its soldiers. NATO insists the incident was an accident. Obama offered his condolences, but refused to apologize.
The United States and Pakistan have not come to an agreement on the price of reopening the supply lines, known as the ground lines of communication or GLOCs. The senior U.S. officials said the deal is essentially done except for agreement on a fee for trucks that cross the border. Pakistan was requesting $5,000 per truck as a condition to reopen the supply lines between the two South Asian countries but previously, the United States had been paying just a "small fraction" of the requested fee and is not expected to pay the stiff fees, officials said.
"We are talking now about the GLOCs but the Afridi issue could hurt our ability to negotiate a deal," the second senior U.S. official said. "If Congress did what it did yesterday, what else are they going to do?
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Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
My relatives are members of Shiv Sena a hindu extremist group and they say all this is so true.
It's Habib, the Pakistani, again. He is taking a break from his anti-American, anti-Western, anti-Semitic posts by posting something anti-Indian. You so are predictable, Habib.
Peeps I now again have to go back to washing dishes and cleaning toilets in a hot pillow joint owned by Patels from India. I will see you all later. Hare om hare om. BTW I took a break to post the comments. Please don't tell Patels otherwise will be fired and deported to Mumbai.
From my prism Dr. Afridi did a good thing Re: OBL but it seems the way he went about doing it was quite repulsive. We can keep on arguing about it till the cows come home but those who want to give him a medal should have already done so. Pakistan has done or will do what it needs to. Never the twain shall meet.
Now Habib, the Pakistani, is disgracing Jewish people by assuming a Jewish identity. But defending Pakistan blew his cover again. There are no Jews in Pakistan - the last synagogue was demolished by Islamists in 1980s. So, Habib needs to stop pretending to be a Jew who is pro-Pakistani. There is no such thing as a pro-Pakistani Jew. Habib, please get a decent education without which you will continue to work in 7-11.
Peeps I now have to go back to washing dishes and cleaning toilets in a hot pillow joint owned by Patels from India. I will see you all later. Hare om hare om
This @JR guy sounds like a real loser and is probably an Indian hindu terrorist which I refer to as a Hindu Taliban (HinduBan...if you will). He needs to get a life. if one cannot make some reasonably intelligent comments, better to stay off the forum.
In yiddish we call people like @JR a schmuck. Go away, please.
Habib, the Pakistani, has now stolen the identity of Peter Luke and Ehud Meir. He can be recognized by his anti-Hindu, anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-western content so easily. Identity theft is tolerated in his Islam - that's what he means when he claims that Islam is a religion of tolerance.
OOOps I am back from washing dishes in a chinese restaurant. Earned enough to buy beef jerky for dinner. I might go back to Mumbai
Pakistanis have issued a religious Islamic decree to murder doctor Afridi by cutting him into pieces. Islam is vile.
Habib let us not spread hatred in this world. Peace and harmony is what we are striving for. Now excuse me I have to go wash dishes in the dhabba and then clean toilets in the hot pillow motel.
India poses a clear and present danger to the regional security of the world. ...to USA...NATO...Pakistan and Afghanistan people and armed forces. Hindu cult extremism is on the rise and fanning all terrorism worldwide. Indians are the bankers to and financing terrorism and supporting Talibans and Al Qaeda and harboring them in India. These terrorists are being entertained in the Indian parliament building in New Delhi where they are residing and then smuggled over to Pakistan in Indian Army helicopters. Shame on these Indians.
JR is now posting as Jr. he is torn between supporting Pakistan or India and has developed a bipolar disorder or ADD.
Jr or JR....six of one half dozen of the other. Confused personalities.
Habib, the Pakistani, can easily be identified through his pro-Pakistani and pro-Islamic content. Habib's messages have anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, anti-India, and/or anti-western content. So, there is no confusion when anyone reads the content. Habib is ashamed of his heritage and therefore he is misusing my name "JR" to create confusion. When 711 reads the contents of his messages, Habib will lose his job as an attendant.
Is habib JR or JR habib...Hmmmmm ....Me confused. Now i have to go gas up JR in 911
Habib, Yes. You are the only one who is confused here because you are posting under my name "JR". Everyone knows that if the message is pro-Islamic, it is from Habib (posting under all kinds of names including JR). So, ignore who is posting and read the content.
This is typical of American rush to judgement on this doctor issue as in other issues related to Muslim world. Pakistan is saying this man was convicted based on helping banned militant organizations who are killing Americans and Pakistanis. US administration and congress look like idiots as they have been harping on Bin laden connection. This is exactly how the 24 Pakistani soldiers were murdered by Americans based on deliberately innaccurate information provided by Indians and Afghanis. US are like cowboys, trigger happy and love to shoot off the hip. They have lost all respect especially mine. Indians and Afghanis are hiding behind the American skirts.
I am of the view that an Islamic Union should be formed. As a nuclear nation, Pakistan should play a prominent role in this organization. All muslims need to get behind Pakistan and help it succeed as the new regional power.
Ya Sheikh ya Habeebi. You are dead on. Not only that some of the Indians posting comments in this forum look like bufoons too including me. Please forgive me as i believed the Americans and they let me to the path of ridicule in this doctor's case. I beg everyone's forgiveness and if you will now excuse me I have to go to my night shift to wash dishes in a dhabba.
Habib, the Pakistani, is trying to mislead by posting under my name "JR" now. This is not my message.
How do we know it is not your message? Stop confusing the issue please.
Habib is now posting as "Sheikh Ahmed bin Al Huseini". Habib, the Pakistani Islamist, uses many different names; however, the message is the same - his messages are always anti US and pro Pakistani. Habib is saying that the doctor helped militants. However, the Islamic religious decree issued by Pakistani Taliban orders murdering the doctor in the name of Allah. Habib, you are wrong again. So, could you please try to stay at least a little informed?
It will probably be a stretch getting all to put Pakistan on the pedestal. But an interesting concept with good timing. I think Pres General Musharraf of Pakistan unilaterally tried to achieve that with some success.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
Land that we love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
And to the oceans, white with foam
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
Home to the rich and poor and needy,
Home to the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists and everyone else
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, the Land of the Beautiful and the Brave.
Yaar, JR why don't you make up your mind whether you are he or she-male or what you stand for. You keep on repeating stupid comments that make no sense. You are giving a horrid name to Hindus and Indians. Please post some intelligent comments. Otherwise stick to your day job as dubbawala.
Habib, the Pakistani, is trying to tell us that he is a total loser: Habib is an Islamist and a Pakistani. That is 2X loser. Habib, God does not bless violence and therefore can not and will not bless Pakistan. Start believing in something real.
iin my opinion:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfWmfnzyZ0&feature=g-upl
Unbelievable!! CNN allows Pakistani terrorists like Habib to post their jihadi messages.
Habib, the gas station is not working out for you? You are trying to make some income on the side by supporting Jihadi propaganda?
Our brothers and sisters are the key to galvanizing the muslim world. We look up to them to lead the way being a nuclear power. As Panetta seeks to damage control the and contain China...we in the Islamic world have conveyed to Pakistan that besides being the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe, the muslim countries are inviting Pakistan to be the new face and leader of the Islamic World and Middle East also. All our resources are behind them. We are in process of evolving an Islamic Union of Nations that will will take the world civilization to its next level of achievements. We invite all the neighboring countries and western nations to join our mission instead of sitting on the sidelines.
Correction...should read...."Our brothers and sisters in Pakistan are the key to galvanizing the muslim world......" Pardon me, please.
Habib, You have changed your name again!! You may already know that the drones strikes are contagious - Any country which would join Pakistan in its mission will get similarly affected. So, good luck asking other countries to join you. Haven't you wondered why not a single country has ever come forward in favor of Pakistan and spoke against the drone strikes?
711 does not ask too many questions while hiring... Have a nice day, Habib.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
Land that we love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
And to the oceans, white with foam
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
Home to the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists and everyone else
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, the Land of the Beautiful and the Brave.
Habib, the Pakistani, is again posting under my name "JR". Habib, everyone knows that the God does not bless a violent and murderous country like Pakistan. Pakistan is a Jihadist country with Islamist citizens like you. So, quit reading your Qran and read the Bible or Torah or any decent book. It will help you.
Conclusions from US presidential debates.
ONE: Pakistan holds the key to the next presidential elections in USA
SECOND: Pakistan should be made a permanent member of the UN Security Council in recognition of its contributions and sacrifices in fighting the terror war and making the world safe and prosperous for US/NATO/ and the rest of the world
Bravo! I second that.
Habib, the Pakistani, has changed his identity again!! It is not easy being a two time loser - a Pakistani and an Islamist. So, please understand why he has to keep changing his identity. But when you read his fanciful pro-Pakistani posts, it is very easy to identify Habib.
Again, yaar, JR why don't you make up your mind what you stand for. You are giving a horrid name to Hindus and Indians.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
Home to the rich and poor and needy,
Home to the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists and everyone else
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, the Land of the Beautiful and the Brave.
Habib, the Pakistani who works at 711 gas station, is posting under my name "JR". Habib, you can ask god all you want but only satan would bless something so violent and vile. God can not bless violence or identity theft.
“While the storm clouds gather far across the North and East,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that’s free,
Let us be grateful for a land so fair,
Let us thank for the foresight to seek Independence from India,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.”
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
Land that we love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
And to the oceans, white with foam
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
Home to the rich and poor and needy,
Home to the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists and everyone else
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, the Land of the Beautiful and the Brave.
AMEN AMEN AMEN
OOOps posted in the wrong spot under some weirdo hindu who calls himself JR and is obsessed with gas. . There is why we moved from Bombay...too much smell as everyone used to eat Daal there as they could not afford meat. PHHHHEWWWWW. So here we go....
God Bless you too, Dinesh. I have very fond memories of my childhood in Karachi. My dad worked for Burmah Shell Oil at that time. What a lovely city. Wonderful people. When we were transferred to Bombay...we could not adjust to our new environment in India and opted to return back to USA. I wish nothing but the best to Pakistanis and their quest for regional leadership which is imminent
No Dave Devney could live in Karachi, Pakistan and live to tell about it. Christians were prosecuted in Pakistan for being Christians and have left Pakistan. "Dave Devney" is actually Habib, the Pakistani Islamist. 711 needs to take some action against its employees involved in identity theft.
WE SALUTE YOU PAKISTAN !!!!!
THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
Since Sep 11, 2001, 21,672 Pakistani civilians have lost their lives or have been seriously injured in the war against terror.
The Pakistani Army also has lost 2,795 soldiers while 8,671 soldiers have been wounded. More than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost $68 billion due to terrorism.
Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.
'CAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY DO SO? ONLY PAKISTAN.'
Habib, Habib, Habib... Again praising Pakistan like a fanatic Pakistani you are. When Pakistan charged the doctor for helping America, you praised them. Now Pakistan is making up new charges accusing the doctor for helping militants, you are saluting Pakistan again!! Now, can you please clean up your gas station? You are giving 711 a bad name. Bad Habib.
God Bless you too, Dinesh. I have very fond memories of my childhood in Karachi. My dad worked for Burmah Shell Oil at that time. What a lovely city. Wonderful people. When we were transferred to Bombay...we could not adjust to our new environment in India and opted to return back to USA. I wish nothing but the best to Pakistanis and their quest for regional leadership which is imminent.
Get a life....go wash the toilets in some motel in Tennessee...instead of harping on gas all the time. If you are having stomach issues take pepto bismal for indians (extra strength) !
Habib, the Pakistani Islamist has stolen the identifies of his customers at the 711 gas station he works at: Habib is now posting under the names of Haji Rajiv Patel, Dave Devney and Rajesh Patel. Habib, give it up. Everyone knows.
“While the storm clouds gather far across the North and East,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that’s free,
Let us be grateful for a land so fair,
Let us thank for the foresight to seek Independence from India,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.”
The Aghoris are members of a Hindu sect in India who worship Shiva. But the thing that makes their ancient traditions bizarre is that they are also practicing cannibals and their temples are cremation grounds. An aghori lives in the cremation ground and is able to support himself there – his clothing comes from the dead, his firewood comes from the funeral pyres, and food from the river. When a person is cremated, an aghori will coat himself in the ashes of the body and meditate on the dead.
The most shocking aspect of the Aghori life is their cannibalism. Dead bodies that are found floating in the river are gathered up and meditated on. The limbs are then removed by the Aghori and eaten raw. Gruesome video of the cannibalistic practices of this Hindu cult can be googled.
Habib the Pakistani is assuming so many identities.
Why don't you go wash dishes instead of giving us indians a bad name. Don't you have anything intelligent to say?
The US officials said that Afridi's family was offered to leave Pakistan with him as part of the resettlement plan. The officials said he rejected the offer. The doctor made a really bad decision. What was he thinking?
He was thinking Katrina Kaif for starters and then Lady Gaga for lunch. He will get back re: dinner. Resettlement plan for 30 family members to follow. Can the arrangers handle or too broke to afford?
Ya don't double cross your country...bottomline. Ya don't shiet in the same pasta plate you eat. "Leave the gun, take the Cannoli". Mama mia.
Habib, Ugh! Your gas station is filthy.
You Indian pissant. I will give you a whiff of my @ss, you will want to crawl right in it. Don't mess with Sicilians.
Habib the Pakistani is now involved in identity theft instead of minding his gas station.
From where I come this doctora would have been taken care of very swiftly. No judge no jury. Bodda bing bodda boom. Kapiche? Salute'
Habib, Please focus on your gas station.
Pakistani diplomats need to be expelled till the doctor is freed. See what is happening in Syria. No Islamic people are protesting or will ever protest about wrongdoings by other Islamic people.
"Amnesty International is calling for an impartial investigation into mass graves found in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Sunday, India's Jammu and Kashmir State Human Rights Commission released a report saying a three-year investigation had uncovered 2,156 unidentified bodies in 38 sites in the region. In a statement released Monday, Amnesty International asked Indian officials to allow impartial forensic experts to carry out a thorough investigation of the skeletal remains. The rights group also urged Indian authorities to ensure the safety of the witnesses who gave statements to police during the investigation. Indian authorities conducted the inquiry in response to allegations that Indian security forces have committed rights abuses in fighting a more than two-decade-long Muslim separatist insurgency. Rights activists say at least 8,000 people have gone missing in Indian Kashmir since the separatists began fighting in 1989 for independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Rebel attacks and Indian government crackdowns have killed at least 50,000 people.
Indian ambassador subjected to US airport 'pat down'
India's ambassador to the US has been pulled from an airport security line and patted down by a security agent in Mississippi after attending a conference. After that she was kicked out of the country for hiding contraband in her sari. A few months ago the Indian president was stripped at JFK and found to be hiding betelnuts in his underwear. Underwear Betelnutter?
Yaar, don't forget about a year ago the Indian ambasador to UN was kicked out of USA for not paying his household help from india and trying to molest her. Sham eon these Indian diplomats.
@Abigail. You stole the words from my mouth. Well said. Pakistan is playing its cards very well. It is not only flexing its muscles but telling the world they've arrived...as the new regional power . More power to them.
Habib, Is that you? Stop overcharging me at the gas station.
Did he pump too much gas up your rear end swami?
The way I see it any collaboration with an intelligence agency of another country in your country of origin, while bypassing your establishment, is Treason (with a cap "T") of the highest order. No two ways about it. It is a matter of principle and law.
Treason? No way this Pakistani doctor has anything to do with treason. The Pakistanis are the ones who shut down the NATO/US supply routes - That is the real act of treason. This doctor is being punished by the treacherous Pakistanis because they are mad at the Senators for chopping off the USAID considerably.
Pakistan has offered credit to USA to pay for opening transit routes. 30 yr financing @ 1% @no upfront fees @no closing costs @ no baloons. Helluva deal. better than IMF or World bank (infested by Indians cleaning toilets there) OH, by the way, Pakistan has opened up its highways and Wagah border in Lahore to supply free food to starving Indian populace. U da man Pakistan !!! Gud work bro !
Habib, you are not Peter Luke. 711 does not tolerate identity theft. Now, go back to your gas station.
We would never tolerate treason in Germany. You don't collaborate with foreign spy agencies in your country ... period.
Nobody who gives information on a Nazi in Germany is ever prosecuted. Are you kidding or plain old s_u_p_d? Please look it up.
Sorry, wrong analogy. It's like comparing Shiv Sena to Mother Theresa.
Habib, why are you posting all these silly messages defending Pakistan? Pay attention to your gas station instead of calling yourself Gertrude Wilhelm.
In hindu culture treason may be acceptable, but in most of civilized world's it is a heinous crime punishable by at least life plus more.
This is outrageous. This doctor does not deserve punishment, he should be awarded the highest civilian honor for helping his country and the world by helping find OBL.
Maybe he can help finding terroists Brhamdagh Bugti and Maulvi Fazlullah etc. being wined and dined in India.Shall ISI send him over to India? Will India give him a medal then? Yeahhhh, now I am sure you get it though your thick head !!
I can't imagine any country not giving death sentence to anyone caught spying for a foreign nation. It is treason of the highest order.
What are you talking about? How can finding a terrorist be treason? You need to read what is going on here before you post an uninformed comment like that. The doctor helped collect DNA evidence. He did not reveal anyone's sensitive information.
The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human
This is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. US Congress please take note and stop all aid to India. I could not even imagine such a barbaric hindu culture could be in practice in the 21st century. I could not imagine americans want to associated with such medieval country.
Drones need to be sent to India to wipe out such practices. Americans need to nip it right in the bud.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of barbaric Islamic rituals and abominable practices which spread out of the Arabian peninsula. Some really terrible things have spread out of Mecca and Medina to surrounding places. Truly disgusting. Such is Islam.
Unfortunately, it gets worse in the Hindu culture... BARBARIC...DECADENT
Bizarre child-burying Hindu ceremony in India
CNN:
Indian police have charged 80 people for burying children alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits."
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern Tamil Nadu state, The Asian Age reported on Thursday.
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in shallow "graves" in temple courtyards.
The pits are covered with leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute.
In the news:
Children buried alive in Hindu ritual
As far as I am concerned this is Pakistan's internal matter. The message Pakistan is sending is that they won't be muscled by any external meddling. US should understand that all countries in the region have different DNA and this is not meek and timid India they are used to dealing with. Pakistan is a proud country with a rich heritage free of medieval and barbaric cultural practices, unlike India, and will not tolerate any interference by USA or others. Period.
Agreed. Move on
When it involves terrorists, it becomes a NATO, US and concerns the whole world. The Pakistani action is truly outrageous. Can't just move on and let the doctor rot in jail for 33 years for helping the US.
Child, then send the seals and pluck him out. What are you waiting for? Typical Indian talk no b@lls. Indian army 1.2million are hiding in trenches from talibans and then some behind US/NATO skirts. Talk Talk Talk no action.
In the civilized world treason gets the death sentence. US gave Jonathan Pollard Israeli spy life sentence for a paltry treason. This handsome doc should be given a chance to defend and if found guilty should get at least life and then some. 33 yrs is too light for treason. That in fact is the issue. The rest is balderdash.
@Janet You need to read. Not only read but have some understanding too. The doctor was after a terrorist - not after any sensitive information of his country. Pollard had nothing to do with terrorism - and he was after sensitive information of his country. Janet, you need to subscribe to a magazine or a newspaper. Please read anything.... and then you will not be so clueless.
Reread. Treason is treason is treason. Whichever way you slice the onion it comes out as treason. We agree to disagree.You are comparing coconuts to papiya. Perhaps you should reread and rethink to really grasp the issue at hand. Shooting off the hip on CNN forum is easy.
Clinton hath spoken. Thirty-three million smackers lopped off Pakistan’s aid budget because its spooks banged up poor old Dr Shakeel Afridi for 33 years after a secret trial. And, as the world knows, Dr Afridi’s crime was to confirm the presence of that old has-been Osama bin Laden in his grotty Abbottabad villa.
Well, that will teach the Pakistanis a lesson. Forget the CIA’s black prisons and rendition and water-boarding, and the torture of the innocents in the jails of our friendly dictators. Dr Afridi was just doing the free world a favour. And WOW, Dr Afridi got shopped by Leon Pannetta when he was CIA boss, and now Barack Obama is accused of letting him down.
Well, I pause here. Dr Afridi was brought before a secret trial in the Khyber tribal area – no charge sheets, no lawyers, no statements from the defendant or the prosecution, just a measly accusation of conspiracy against the state of Pakistan and “high treason”. I’ve never known the difference between “treason” and “high treason” but – since Pakistan’s security apparatus is a mirror image of the British Empire – I assume it was invented by us. “High treason” means treason against the monarch. By fingering Bin Laden, after using a ruse about vaccinating his family against hepatitis B to gain access to him, Dr Afridi was committing treason against King Asif Ali Zardari, otherwise known as the President of Pakistan.
But hold on a moment. Let’s suppose Vladimir Putin sent a KGB/FSB hit squad to Britain to murder a former agent called Alexander Litvinenko who had turned against his old spymasters. And let’s suppose that the Russians murdered Litvinenko. Which – in real life – they did. And Litvinenko – in real life – was indeed a trusted agent of the Russians, just as Bin Laden was a much-admired servant of the CIA when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.
Getting a bit close to home? Well, let’s go a stage further. Supposing Litvinenko was murdered after being identified by a friendly British GP – working for the KGB/FSB – who vaccinated the Berezovsky family against hep B. What do Messrs Cameron and Clegg and the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and the Lord Chief Justice and the Lord High Executioner and all the other nabobs do? Do they accuse the British GP of treason, clap him in irons, stage a hush-hush trial covered by the Official Secrets Act and send the chap off to rot in the Tower of London for – say – 33 years?
Or do they accept a bribe from Moscow of, say, $33m (£21m) to let the GP out of jug so he can potter off to Moscow to be given a new home and restart his career as a doktor for the nomenklatura?
In other words, are the Pakistanis being so dastardly when they lock up a national who has helped a foreign power murder an exile inside his own country of Pakistan? And, more to the point, wouldn’t we do the same?
And let’s take the story of hypocrisy a stage further. Wasn’t there a brave Israeli citizen called Mordechai Vanunu, who, in opposition to the nuclear weapons that his country was amassing in secret, spoke out to the world about this outrageous threat to international world order and was subsequently kidnapped from Italy by intelligence agents, tried in Israel for “treason” – in secret, of course – and spent 18 years in prison? Now I grant you that’s 15 years shorter than poor old Dr Afridi, but Vanunu still lives under grave restrictions to his liberty and has twice been imprisoned again for the heinous crime of chatting to foreign journalists.And has La Clinton threatened to suspend a single dollar of Israel’s annual $3bn in aid from the United States for the next 33 years in order to protest Israel’s treatment of Vanunu? Not to mention – not even to utter the words – Sabra and Chatila, Gaza, a 45-year occupation, illegal colonisation of West Bank land, etc, etc, or, indeed, for producing nuclear weapons. And we absolutely must not mention Jonathan Pollard, the former CIA and US Navy intelligence officer sentenced to life in prison in 1987 for spying for Israel. For if Pollard is not released, is Israel threatening to cut its aid to America? Hold on, that doesn’t quite compute, does it? But you get the point.
It’s about hypocrisy. Sure, Pakistan is a corrupt country. Sure, it is corrupt from the shoeshiner up to the pinnacles of power. But I suppose in the end, if you’re going to prostitute yourself to America – financially and militarily, as Pakistan has done for decades – that’s the price you pay. Which is why hypocrisy will win. For Dr Afridi, I predict, will be quietly given a substantial reduction in his sentence, will be released – or disappear – from his Pakistani prison and, in a few months/ years, when Zardari has scored enough points from Dr Afridi’s imprisonment, the good doctor will pop up in the US with a fine medical practice and the pleasure of knowing – of course – that La Clinton has re-endowed Pakistan with its missing $33m.
Clinton needs to check what her husband is doing with the cigar with the likes of Monica Lewinsky. LOL....!!! She is a joke. Said the Raven Nevermore.
This news is extremely troubling. We need to start mobilizing our congregation against the hindu extremism against Christians.
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.
Right on, Pastor. We will do same all over Europe. These hindu talibans need to be stopped before they create a genocide against Christians.