Conviction of Pakistani doctor threatens US ties with Pakistan
By Elise Labott and Pam Benson
The conviction of a Pakistani doctor who tried to help the CIA locate the hiding place of Osama bin Laden is further exacerbating tensions between Washington and Islamabad and could affect U.S. ability to negotiate a deal with Pakistan over re-opening NATO supply lines, senior U.S. officials told CNN.
Dr. Shakil Afridi on Wednesday was convicted of treason for having assisted the United States in trying to uncover the location of the terror leader last year under the guise of a vaccination campaign in Abbottabad, Pakistan. He was sentenced to 33 years by a tribal court in northwestern Pakistan, and sent to prison in Peshawar following the ruling.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta have both spoken of their concern for Afridi, and have called for his release.
Clinton said Thursday that the United States "does not believe there is any basis for holding Dr. Afridi."
"His help, after all, was instrumental in taking down one of the world's most notorious murderers."
"This action by Dr. Afridi helped to bring about the end of the reign of terror - designed and executed by bin Laden - (and) was not in anyway a betrayal of Pakistan. ... We will continue to press it with the government of Pakistan."
Senior U.S. officials said Afridi worked with the United States prior to the bin Laden raid, but was never asked to spy on Pakistan and was only asked to help locate al-Qaeda terrorists posing a threat to both Pakistan and the United States.
"Over the course of his several years of service, Dr. Afridi was able to provide valuable information on al Qaeda in the FATA, the group's safe-haven," a senior U.S. official with knowledge of Afridi's activities in Pakistan told CNN. "Dr. Afridi was inadvertently able to confirm something we already suspected - that bin Laden's couriers practiced extraordinary operational security. Was that a key to the raid? No. Was it important? Absolutely."
Another senior U.S. official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations against al Qaeda in Pakistan told CNN that Afridi "helped save Pakistani and American lives. His activities were not treasonous, they were heroic and patriotic."
Afridi's conviction adds to an already-damaged and fractured relationship between the United States and Pakistan. Relations between the two countries essentially froze last November following the accidental killing of Pakistani soldiers in a NATO airstrike. Pakistan in turn closed supply lines into Afghanistan that NATO used to support the war effort.
Senior administration officials pointed to Clinton's statement about the ruling, which she made unprompted by any questions from journalists, as evidence of the seriousness with which the U.S. takes the issue.
Senior State Department officials have pointed to her remarks and reinforced her message in subsequent calls with Pakistani officials, the senior administration officials said.
"We are saying exactly along the lines of what she said," one senior official said. "We tell the Pakistanis they have agreed bin Laden should not have been in their country and we could easily argue that they should have been helping us get him. This case colors the attitude of the U.S. government, but also of the U.S. Congress at budget time."
Congressional outrage was in full force Thursday as the Senate Appropriations Committee voted to cut $33 million from the military aid package to Pakistan.
The figure derived from Afridi's 33-year sentence.
The 30-0 roll call was based on an amendment to the Senate version of the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations bill. The amendment calls for the $33 million to be upheld until "the Secretary of State reports to the Committees on Appropriations that Dr. Shakil Afridi has been released from prison and cleared of all charges relating to the assistance provided to the United States in locating Osama bin Laden."
The amendment was sponsored by Sens. Lindsay Graham, R-South Carolina; Dan Coats, R-Indiana; Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont; Dianne Feinstein, D-California; and Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey.
"For them to do what they did signals this is a pretty big issue," the senior administration official said.
Officials said Afridi's case could tie U.S. hands to negotiate a deal with Pakistan to reopen its border with Afghanistan to military shipments of departing NATO forces, which would resolve a sticky issue in planning the withdrawal of foreign forces.
Pakistan closed the ground routes after a NATO airstrike in November killed two dozen of its soldiers. NATO insists the incident was an accident. Obama offered his condolences, but refused to apologize.
The United States and Pakistan have not come to an agreement on the price of reopening the supply lines, known as the ground lines of communication or GLOCs. The senior U.S. officials said the deal is essentially done except for agreement on a fee for trucks that cross the border. Pakistan was requesting $5,000 per truck as a condition to reopen the supply lines between the two South Asian countries but previously, the United States had been paying just a "small fraction" of the requested fee and is not expected to pay the stiff fees, officials said.
"We are talking now about the GLOCs but the Afridi issue could hurt our ability to negotiate a deal," the second senior U.S. official said. "If Congress did what it did yesterday, what else are they going to do?
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The bottom line is that the only way to have peace in Afghanistan and lessen regional tension is split India into pieces. It has become too big too govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty iremains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
The thesis is that smaller indepenedent states will generate tremendous economic demand for western nations, be democratically more efficient and easy to manage, Christian friendly, religion tolerant, a great source of demand for military equipment from the west, culturally homogenous and will unleash opportunities for the people that will eradicate poverty. Moreover, the currently subjugated and enslaved minorities will have a place they can call home, have their skin in the game and work harder and with a passion to keep that neighborhood clean from extremists.
Of course, we can carve out a hindu nation along the a portion of the western coast where they can continue to practice their medieval culture and hopefully come into the folds of the modern world wihtin the next century.
Otherwise, I am afraid, extremism will continue to fester in that region and continue to become a threat for the western nations. We have been fighting a war for the past ten years with no end. Our soldiers have shed blood to no end. Their families are suffering. Has even one Indian soldier sacrificed his life in helping the Americans, NATO and western countries in fighting this war? The answer is a resolute NO. Folks, just think about it, 1.2 million Indian Army soldiers are sitting in trenches doing what???? Sure the heck beats me. Americans are now questioning the US Congress as to what they are doing to correct this unsustainable relationship with India. The India caucus is being monitored by citizen groups. If they don't respond to the needs of the American people political contributions to them will be severely impacted.
So the only way to peace in Afghanistan is dismantling the terrorist network and financing emanating from India, cutting it up into smaller nations along the lines of communist USSR and let smaller and more gentle and economically dynamic states emerge, stopping the genocide in Kashmir of muslim children/women, subjugation of minorities, prosecution of Christians and Muslims. Furthermore the ridiculously large and ineffective Indian army needs to be dismantled and put to use in assisting the poverty stricken masses and not sitting in trenches hiding from Talibans.
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Are you typing from a Pakistani mental hospital????? Just because you are some unemployed bum spewing lies--don't think a single rational human being will believe the untruths and lies coming from a Pakistani agent.
Preety Girl .. dont mind this krm he is like most of other pakis is product of sibling love ... check documentry called pakistani brithers ...75% of pakistanis are born with mental level of a pig cos of marriges between siblings and cousins ..
best to do is dont reply back to him ... every single post under random names is done by 1 person .. shows there aint pakistanis who actually got balls lol
So Many idiots commenting here ... its like a war of insult and comments based on personal hate and bias, .. nothing objective. MY View is that this doctr did a fine job... BUT he did it for the money. Both US and Pak as the rest of the countries in this globe has laws that their citizens will not work for a foreign spy agency.. and doing so whether good or bad reasons will be considered treason.... Yes he did a good job, Yes... he did it for the money ... and Yes he did commit treason ... ironic
I think we should tackle Pakistan the way we are handling Iran
1. Stop sending aid.
2. Stop doing business with them
3. Squeeze their economy, and who so ever do business with them put sanctions including China.
By doing so I think in a week time, these poor baggers will be on their knees and we can get what we want like, opening the NATO supply route, releasing the good doctor & stoppage on harbouring terrorist support to Hakkanis and Talibans
You are an idiot .. comment intelligently and don't spill your hatred every chance u get.. u biased moron
Another hindu taliban Indian terrorist spreading hate on this forum. Homeland security please take note.
LIPSTICK ON A COW: Making India (Hindustan) look pretty
There is so much one can do to make an ugly country look good.
But whatever you do in case of India is analogous to spattering some cheap lipstick on a cow.
Now one may not want to kiss this cow but sure would love some steaks!!
LMAO!!!
You need some medication, and a psychiatrist....
Don't you have anything intelligent to add. You keep on repeating all this nonsense. Is this what they teach you in Indian schools?
INDIA: On a Goat and a Stick:
The problem with India is that is built on a system of cultural and societal values based on Hinduism which is a cult. Nations built on a cult seldom survive in the long run. You can only take it so far based on symbolisms of a goat and a stick with a skinny little man aka gandhi banging boys at night and spinning wheels during daytime.
Hey, Pakistani, go back to your madrassa, and touch some pigs, why don't ya...
Don't you have anything intelligent to add. You keep on repeating all this nonsense.
“While the storm clouds gather far across the North and East,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that’s free,
Let us be grateful for a land so fair,
Let us thank for the foresight to seek Independence from India,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.”
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN,
Land that we love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From Kashmir to Karachi and onto New Delhi,
And to the oceans, white with foam
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, Our home sweet home.
Home to the rich and poor and needy,
Home to the Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists and everyone else
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN, the Land of the Beautiful and the Brave.
You need a psychiatrist...
Don't you have anything intelligent to add. You keep on repeating this bs like a parrot
The Americans are not happy at all with the efforts they have spent propping up and financially and militarily supporting India with no returns at all. In fact, they have gone bankrupt providing aid to India. The american officials are now fed up and have no explanation to give to US Congress. US Govt Accountability Office needs to start investigation before the media gets a whiff of this.
Pakistan is the BEGGAR nation which has gotten billions of US aid. India does not get aid.
India gets aid and aids from Us...get it? LMAO mwah ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!
The concept of Greater Pakistan has been raised again in the think tank circles. The rational behind being the imminent implosion of India and the role of Pakistan in harnessing the potential of and providing leadership to the newly emerged states. These will be interesting times for the world who look forward to the economic potential of these new nations.
You are clearly a lot of mentally ill Pakistanis posting here.....
You may wanna get outta India while you can.
We did our best to prop India up against Pakistan and China at the request of USA but have since given up. Indian hindus are a cowardly cult who will never be able to hold the country together. Inspite of our support Pakistan emerged as the new regional leader. Hail to the new chief. We welcome Pakistan opening up their borders to help famine stricken Indians with food assistance for starters.
Israel looks forward to taking further their dialogue with Pakistan in enhancing diplomatic relations between the nations.
You Pakistanis are clearly ASHAMED of being Pakistani and muslim--hence, you are all using false Anglo and Jewish names......
Hava Nagilla, Baby
Lets call spade a spade. Pakistan has given a tremendous response ...very matured and thoughtful. This is not meek India bending down and cleaning toilets for Americans. This is the new regional power Pakistan calling the shots. I read on a post here that they have offered financing for Americans in case they can't afford to pay at this time. pakistanis are really big hearted as they have also opened up their borders to feed the famine stricken poverty proned Indians. Now this is what I call leadership.
We need to stop killing muslim children in Indian Occupied Kashmir. Americans will ultimately not be able to support us especially during election year. hare om hare om
your post sucks more than anything that has ever sucked before.
You are nothing more than a two bit Indian pissant
ohh.. ISI agents on CNN
My mama told me that when you stand next to Indian make sure the wind is blowing away. Otherwise their body odor will make you sick.
Beggars Pakistani talking non-sense..!!
Instead of giving billions in aid to India we told our American friends to give that money to Israel. They agreed that India brings no value to Americans. The Mossad cannot convince Indian Army out of nunkers to fight talibans. They are scared man.They were shivering when Mossad Colonel visited them in trenches because of fear. These hindus are truly cowards.
You Pakistanis are clearly ASHAMED of being from Pakistan, and being Muslim. Hence, you are hiding behind false names.
La Chaim
There is one thing I do not understand. The USA is only keeping 33 million dollars (one million for every year the doctor was sentenced) of the 1. something billion they are giving Pakistan. Sounds kind of trivial to me. So we are still lining someone's pocket very deeply with our hard earned tax dollars. .......
for hindus that is big money man. We are small minded people.
When I last visited Bangalore in India I was in hospital for six weeks. I told the doctor that I didn't eat or drink anything so how could I get sick. He told me that shaking hands with an indian or breathing the air (cow dung particles) would do a westerner in in India. What a filthy country and dirty people. Hava Nagilla!!!
They are not our freinds and wouldn't give them a dime.
EVERYONE involved in this conviction should drop dead or disappear next week. Then Seal Team Six should get this guy OUT, and add a hole to every skull in the way. He might lose his Nobel, but I might believe that Obama has a spine.
phuck Pakistan, or should we say Binladinstan...
Treason is treason, no matter where it happens. Unfortunately, the politicians charged with treason in the United States Federal Government Corporation by U.S. Representative Louis McFadden were not prosecuted, and the treason by the politicians and Federal Reserve continues.
congrats to u .. for being sane and objective.. still one has to agree that its ironic and sad what happened to this guy.. he should have involved his government ... informed them at some stage ... may be then it might not have been considered a treason
let's do the math, Pakistan allowed Bin Laden to hide there for years right next to a military base, then when America goes in and get him , paki's throw a fit,sell our secret technology to China, then they jail the doctor who helped America get Laden calling him a spy, they denounce the drone attacks aimed at terrorist in their country and stop NATO transports of supplies to troops in Afganistan ,the majority of insurgents are coming from pakistan and it seems to be a safe haven for them, yet the Obama admin call them an ally, when they have in no way acted anything remotly close to an ally. Where's Bush when you need a President with some cajones . Pakistan is by every definition an enemy and should be treated as such. Not one more Coin in American aide and any incumbant who suggest otherwise IS commiting treason. It would appear we are occupying the wrong country maybe we should take a closer look at Pakistan from the inside.
As Clint Eastwood would say. "Go ahead.....Make my day". Pakistan will unleash such a nuclear fury that will turn India into a dustbowl and others into feathers. Chickens. I have already sent all members of my family from baroda, India to Pakistan for safety.
another idiot .. who sees things only in black & white .. its a bot more complicated for ur understanding so don't strain ur fragile and limited brain cells
START Count to release doctor Afridi ....CNN can bring this to notice of every one....
Release : me and my family support – 5
Donot Release – 0
Why do we care about pakistan, it is a dirtball, we need to pul out everything includling all aide to them. Let the but plugs take care of themselves.
I agree. What we need is a bigger drone program. We should stop giving any of our American dollars to a nation like Pakistan, which supports terror.
Prettygal ... Pretty? .... C'mon
LA CHAIM AND HAVA NAGILLA to all INDIANS !!! Now stand on your feet and stop leaning on Israel for everything. We did everything for you as the Americans had requested us. But we have seen enough. You are giving Israel and America a bad name. Go away and stay away from us. Support yourself Indians
It is ridiculous the Pakistanis are so ashamed of being Pakistani, so ashamed of being muslim, that they have taken to false Anglo names on the message boards.
Now who wants to be a friend of Obama? When he gets done using you he will throw you under the bus!
Just ask Dr. Shakil Afridi.
Wake up america!
more power for what kiiling you mom or wife idiot.... grow up, think straight its not about nation its about people and specially sicko basta..s like you
Pakistanis LOVE and ADORE drones. Please send a big one over ISI headquarters. After all, they deserve a reward for all the hard work they have done, supporting terror.....
We piggystanis LOVE drones!!!! Please send more drones to Pakistan, America!!!!Drone us, we love it!!!
Tons of Indian hindus making such amateurish comments in this forum. Indicative of an uneducated and iliterate Indian society obsessed with Pakistan, the new regional power. They are jealous that Pakistan is taking up a principled stand and standing up against world powers single handedly. More power to Pakistan.
you are um what word am I looking for, oh ya RE##RDED!! Pakistan a world power? LOLOLOLOLOL india has much more respect power and influance in the world. Oh ya it also isnt a dung heap.
There are mentally ill Pakistanis posting nonsense on this board, using Anglo and Jewish names. They are crazy, as usual.
Why are you so obsessed with Pakistan...the new regional power? You had your chance and blew it. STOP LEANING ON ISRAEL...INDIANS. STAND ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET AND FACE PAKISTAN. How will you deal with China when you can't handle Pakistan? LA CHAIM.....HAVA HAGILLA !!!!!
Maybe you should see a psychiatrist....
Anglo...as in isosceles triangle?
I am stunned that Americans are bitching about this guy when they gave Jonathan Pollard, the Israeli spy caught in USA a life sentence. Double standards shall we say? Gimme a break.
Why don't you use your Real name, Mohamammed in Islamabad?
La chaim ! you cowardly Indian. Stand on your own feet and stop leaning on Israel.
I got to write this comments as I have seen less interesting responses and more fighting.
If I were USA president or infact any country president who is affected by idiotic, ruthless and ignorant uneducated bast....
who we call terrorists or useless creatures on earth , I would give this doctor a WAR HERO category and invite his whole family in to nation where he can live happily....
Sentencing this guy to 33 years prison , Pakistan proved themselves again that they are supporting terrorism.... the job that ISI (Pakistani intelligence agents) were not able to do was done by this doctor, if I were to meet him i would appreciate form bottom of my heart for his heroics....
PAKISTAN and ANY Terror supporting nations GROW UP .... You are allowing to kill people ruthlessly and your QURAN or JIHAD or SHIRAH did not say to kill mankind ... I would agree with prettygal comments in more decent way ....THINK what will happen if some one is killing your family in front of you or one of your body parts are cut off when you are alive.....
I hope one day every FU.... Terror supporting country realizes what they have done to their country .....understand all political idiots are making money of out of this fun and dont care about anyone but if they dont realize what they are doing all this for then this killing and blame game will continue....
REQUEST to NATO nations ..... give assurance to the doctor and his family and move him out of pakistan before some foolish tribal pakistani or some stani kills him and his family.....
Have a nice weekend you all...
I agree. Pakistan is home to a multitude of terror groups, including Lakshar, AlQueda, Haqqani, and Taliban. Moreover, The Pakistanis protected Osama Bin Laden, that too in an Army town. I really don't think many folks were surprised.The Paki ISI and Military is in cahoots with the terrorists.
What people forget about OBL was that he was the CIAs #1 most wanted before 9/11. ANd that he was treated in an american run hospital in the UAE on 9/10/01, look it up, the CIA FBI and executive brantch were in full calusion with OBL. He is a false flag.
We should say completely F you Pakistan.
I am stunned at the number of Indian hindus on this forum with American and Pakistani names making such senseless comments. As Israeli jews we don't want anymore interactions with Indians in trying to support their defense and intelligence forces. Our relationship with Pakistan going forward is more important. We want to develop good friendship with them. They are clearly the new leaders in that region.
You need a psychiatrist, quick!!! Get some medication, as well.....
The way drugs destabilize everything over in Afghanistan and destroys so many lives its a wonder the war hasn't gotten worse for us.
I agree. Pakistan is the cancer in the region and the world. All the paths of all the major terrorists caught worldwide have either come from, or passed through, Pakistan.
We Indians are broke. We have no food. We are poverty stricken. Our rupee has no value. Thank you Pakistan for opening up your borders and sending some food. May krishna bless you. hare ram hare krishna.....dum maro dum
Another face of a filthy Paki, crook.
India's end is near. I have moved my family to Pakistan which appears to be the future of the region. We hindu Indians have been kicked out of Kenya, South Africa, Fiji, Barbados etc. Nobody wants us. They all hate us. Pakistan is our only hope.
Did someone say that hinduism is a cult. How true. i have a hindu temple near my house in Atlanta and I kid you not they have orgies happening there. I have been told by people who went there on community nights that there were all sorts of animals roaming in the temple. Hmmmm??? Makes one think what purpose do they serve.Sickos.
Pakistan is the epicenter of terrorism and terrorists. Pakistan is a failed state, which is why unemployed Pakistanis spend their time on these message boards.
You should really read more and listen to people less! You are a complete idiot and you speak evil and spread lies about religions you know nothing about. It is very sad that people like you are allowed a voice on the internet or anywhere else for that matter.
I am sure that you would be upset if someone said that Christians are cannibals because they drink the blood and eat the flesh of Christ. See how things can look and sound weird if it comes from someone who does not understand it and is only looking in from the outside.
What kind of allies do we have in Indians? We americans keep on giving them our tax dollars, export jobs while america is suffering, transfer technology and they hack our pentagon computers. What they give us in return ... a 1.2 million army hiding in bunkers scared of talibans. they could not even protect themselves from a few taliban teenagers who invaded their country and kicked the living daylights out of them. they armed forces did not even know for three days what was happening. Who wants such allies....??? Certainly not us Americans... we don't associate ourselves with losers such as Indians
What you meant are the Pakistanis and not the Indians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pakistan receives about $1 billion in aid from USA every year...AND NOT INDIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
you and tp are both right america hemorages money into this whole regon and it is sick. And what do we get out of it? Outsourced jobs, lower wages, and HUGE PROFITS FOR OUR LARGEST COMPANIES. Was are living in a fascist plutonomy, we have not been a republic or a democracy for a long long time.
Everybody can say all the insulting and immature things they want behind the veil of a computer screen. My parents are from Pakistan and I have no shame admitting that their leaders are corrupt from top to bottom. If they steal from their own poor people, what do u think they are going to do to American tax dollars? They have no morals. They double deal for a living. That will not change no matter how long the United States stays in Afghanistan or continues to launch drone attacks in Waziristan. America has been occupying Afghanistan for over 10 years with full knowledge of it being landlocked and having a porous border which insurgents can utilize, with or without the ISI's help. It is an unbelievably complex problem that no blog post can post a real solution for. Ultimately, the US has to recognize that Pakistan cannot disappear from its own neighborhood, and Pakistan must understand that it is a characterless nation right now that nobody can understand.
My adopted parents are from India. They tell me never trust an Indian as they are double faced, corrupt, dirty and meek. They also tell me the stuff the hindus do in ashrams and mandirs to girls are horrific.
America needs to be ashsmed and appolagize for all the killing of innocent Muslims from the terristic drone bombing . Innocent Pakistanis and othe Muslims are ruthlessley being killed for thier sincere beliefs and humble obidience to Sharia and the tennents of Islam . Muslims want freedom from disbelief in Islam , and being bombed by filthy Ifidel kuffars isnt makeing Democracy any more desirable . The drone bombings is makeing more hate , creating more rightious indignation and desire for Jihad for liberation from Democracy being forced upon Innocent Muslims . Democracy kill Muslims , only Sharia is fit governance for Muslims .
muslem and innocent are mutually exclusive terms.
We Pakistanis LOVE drones! Please, we want more, MORE!!!
If we had a billion people in Israel we would rule the world. India on the other hand is a disgrace to this world...no achievements...no passion...no values. Why are we helping it defend itself against Pakistan? Beats me. Let Pakistan chew it up.
We consider Indians as our toilet bowl cleaners in Asia and they do it with a smile and head bobbling. LMAO. Who said slavery was dead.
Your head seems to be full of garbage – what does your comment have to do with anything in this article. POS**t
With your low IQ you will never figure it out.
They couldn't find Bin Laden for 10 years and when they finally do it is a "great" success. How many lives would have been saved if he had been killed in say, 1998, 2001 or 2002?
At least we reduced their aid by $33 million. That means we're only giving them $967 million this year.
I once sat next to an Indian on a plane and got so sick with the body odor that i had to request change of seat
Why didn't the CIA help Afridi leave Pakistan before the raid? Surely they could see this coming a mile away. It's appalling that this man is going to suffer in prison for 33 years for helping the USA find Bin Laden. He should be posing on the cover of People magazine with his family in front of his new home in the USA living the good life. We should make sure the world sees that by helping the USA find terrorists, we will take good care of them, but to allow this man to go to prison like this? What incentive would anyone have to help the USA now? Furthermore, we should also look at the reasoning behind Pakistan's loyalty to Bin Laden, Bin laden condemned the drone strikes in Pakistan. The drone strikes are not doing anything to help the "war on terrorism," in fact, it creates more terrorists. Nobody likes to be bombed on a continual basis, so many dead. Surely there is a way to come to some kind of agreement. We must get Afridi out of prison and the USA should stop killing at will like we've been doing.
Guess what we hindus do in our ashrams??? K@m@sutra on our womenfolk
You are disgusting.
Pakistan is a worst enemy and threat than N. Korea or Iran, let fly on their treacherous lying arses.
Pakistan is a friend, just because they allow people to plan attacks we shouldn't take their heroes out.
I can see treason charges, a major terrorist leader in their country? Come on, the US took out a brother to Pakistan. Try to pet a rattlesnake or trust Pakistan? I would trust the snake.
If you walk like a snake and write like a snake and like a snake then you must be an Indian snake....Cobra shall we say? Never trust an Indian...is what the world says.
just simple crying and ho ha wont help yanks all is that they to apalogize that the way farward loosers r not chooser yanks r looser writing on the wall
You seem like a "back" person....polarity issue?
do it when u will be at obama place ,but if u indian pm ur guttless find a bunker for urself
No wonder the US foreign policy is fcked when dealing with scum like some towelhead nation secret services. Reduce military foreign aid to Pakistan to zero, they're not helping us with sh!t, anyways. the bass turds have been hiding bin laden while lining their pockets. why else would they have to punish that doctor guy ? scumbags, the whole bunch.
I agree, we should send them a bill, screw giving them anything!
Hey dude what about the 1.2 million Indian army cowards hiding in trenches scared of the talibans. turkeys...yella bellies
ENOUGH !! Light these Pakis up and save Dr. Afridi ! Let him bring his family to America !!
I don't understand the outrage, Osama bin Laden was a guest there. How dare this person help the US, after all Pakistan is using the US.
when u sending plane there ?u need to see dr i think dr afridi
I heard the pakistanis just test fired a missile that will not only light up India but turn it into dust. i just hope hope the wind blows the other way as we don't want to breathe the cowardly dust.
i told u more cut they will put more rate per container will go up
There are Pakistani (ridiculous) agents posting nonsense here, using Anglo and Jewish sounding names to hide their Piggystani identities.
i can feel ur pain but first stop begging from china then stop printing dollars day and nite and last dont run from afgnistan like u ran from vietnam ,korea, iraq ,bankrupt nation america who fight wars by begging money from othar nations stands no where mt dear pretty girl
Your name is soooo pretty I could kiss you my doll.
Perhaps if you Pakistanis could stop your obsession with India, you might improve Pakistan a bit. Like, move it from the 12th century into the 13th century.....
where india stands it is third world country too looser
We Pakistanis ADORE drones! Please send as many as you can, America!
pakistanis adore pretty girls too send as many as u can
There are Pakistani nut cases posting garbage on the message board. I think many of them are mentally ill.(and obsessed with India)
a typican veg comment u need to see a good dr i think u should try dr love
Kiss my name.
This discussion is taken over by the PAID agents of the Pakistani Punjabi Army agent(s) from Islamabad/rawalpindi.
dont face the truth then get lost india was slave is slave and will ruled by outsider monkey can never be a king only loin is
LOL retard
dont face the truth it hurts sometimes
We should stop giving our tax Dollars to Pakistan, which is the epicenter of terror in the world.
which tax dollar u pay rupee dear veg
amit pakistan was is will never depand on american aid the money they holding is money they to GOP in transit and services they r broke every body knows in pakistan ,all pakistan want its money that yanks owe they learned from past they know at some point yanks will play this card cheers
Vatican should be protesting against the atrocities that hindus are committing against christians in India. We will start a war against hindus at the neighborhood church level starting in Goa, India if this does not stop immediately.
This is a classic example of the "false-flag-attack" stategy very popular with thePakistani punjabi Army & their agents.
"A Pakistni Punjabi muslim pretending/posing as a Christian and attacking Hindu!", and vica versa, hoping to start & inflame a Christian/Hindu war!
As usual, Pakistanis post lies, not having the guts to post their real names. Go back to your madrassa, Piggystani.
The Multidimensional Poverty Index developed by Oxford University shows that India is far poorer than Africa not just in number but also in intensity.
The new poverty measure shows that 8 states out of the 29 states in India have more poor people than 26 poorest African countries combined. The Multidimensional poverty index views poverty from several different angles instead of just GDP figures. India is crippled by so many problems. For example, India's population growth rate is increasing by the day putting pressure on the limited resources and leaving many Indians in absolute poverty. India is very poor in terms of education, in terms of economic improvement, infrastructure, heath care, etc.
Go back to your madrassa, and kiss some piglets, Paki.
u sound me indian nari vegetable anothar NRI possing herself american shame on u vagetable
If you could choose what type of vegatable you could be, what would you pick?
PIGS you Pakistani... show your true name you ISI agent on CNN
Forget the GDP, focus on these murder statistics.
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
Pakistan is the armpit of the planet-- Pakistan is home to multiple terror groups.....
Pakistan a Bagger Country..!! On the verge of break
OBAMA: He must and will apologize to Pakistan...It is but a matter of time.
Across all religions and cultures it is a basic tenet of human decency that human lives are valued and apologies are offered to the aggrieved by those responsible for the deaths. It nothing more, the words of apology are soothing to the families of those who died. In the Salala incident, Pakistan's contention is that Afghan forces and Indian intelligence deliberately provided misleading information to US/NATO forces and used them to kill 24 Pakistani paramilitary soldiers. This is unacceptable from any civilized perspective including human rights. Supposedly, US is the face of the civilized/westernized world. I don't see it that way anymore. Maybe the rear end but certainly not the face anymore. I am just sayin.
Wow. This is deep and thoughtful
Strong !!!
We Pakistanis LOVE drones!!!!! Send them often!
INDIA: The irrelevance of a nation
Never in the history of mankind has a nation been deemed so useless than India. It has absolutely no relevance to the civilized world. No contributions..no achievements..no potential. Lived in the shadows of Muslim Mughals for centuries and now living in the shadows of muslim Pakistan. Hindu India will probably end up being a slave nation to China while the rest with Pakistan. That my friends is the Indian dream remaining.
Absolutely agree
FROM TALIBANS IWTH LOVE: Bringing Indians down to their knees
With a few BB guns the talibans brought Indians down crawling on their knees and with it the beginning of an end to the final communist remnant of the cold war. That was a gift from talibans to the Americans.
RIP. So true
print more that it that what u r doing
Gallup did some survey in Afghanistan..!! Google it, that will open your eyes about Afghanistan feelings about India...
Afghans like some good butt. They probably found some in India. Now, don't get carried away!!!
DEMISE OF INDIA: The aftermath of Afghnanistan invasion
The american invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2million continue hiding in the trenches scared from talibans. A few teenage talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power. the talibans brought them down in a few days with some BB guns. It is all over for India. its demise is in process and should be completed with Afghanistan withdrawal.
Never thought fo it this way. Well said.
CHRISTIANS IN FEAR OF THEIR LIVES IN INDIA !!!!!
At an ecumenical meeting held in New Delhi on Saturday (Oct. 24), the secretary general of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India, Archbishop Stanislaus Fernandes, said the rise of fundamentalism was “seriously worrying” the church in India. The meeting was held to discuss prospects for immediate enactment of federal legislation to counter religious extremism with the proposed Communal Violence (Prevention, Control and Rehabilitation of Victims) Bill.
World has also seen who the Human Rights situation is Pakistan..!!
Chistchan leader was murdered in broad day light & in Sindh you are forcing people to convert...
Get ride of self denial you Porki
amit why u feeling pain yaar cheer up human rights from indian mouth does not look good u forget gujrat ,kashmir,goldertemple ur comments r without logic
Gujarat happened post Godra, FYI @ Godra full boggy of hindu pilgrims was lighted up by radical Muslims... I know you were not aware of it..
Kashmir: Hindu Kashmir pundits were looted, shoot dead forced to leave Kashmir, what you did who send terrorist in 1989, I am sure you were not aware of it either.
Golden Temple: Air India flight carrying 300 people from Canada was bombed mid air killing all on board, killing innocent people in the name of separate state supported by Pakistan (Do some U tube and see Nezam Sethi, your own channel), and if Golden Temple was wrong then what Pakistan doing is Baluchistan is right? they are also killing those asking for separate state..
We christians will launch a crusade against hindus that they will remember for a long time. They will wish that the muslims were ruling them again. Take that to Vatican.
Do you think that anyone in the world would believe the lies coming out of the mouth of a Pakistani? Everyone in the world knows that Pakistan is a failed state. Everyone in the world knows that Pakistan is the center of terror.
my dear nari no body beleive on vagetables as well if u like u can find nixon comment about ur country on net ,west knows india is slave minded nation was in past and will in future
@ adams:
Nixon also said in 1971 that he will not allow India to break Pakistan into pieces but we did it .. Today reality is even worse for you.
48 NATO nations are against you, China is having lot at stack in the global village even they will also not help you.. You are losing your war created by you..
Wake up you brain washed Pakis, get out of Madarsa..
As usual, you piggystanis are full of lies. Go back to your madrassa, and touch some pigs, why don't ya.
i will take u nice pakistani resturant let u try cow pyas and nehari by cow meat once u eat it u will love it same once u try pakistani guy u guranted u will not go anywhere trust me
@adam:
You Pakistanis will never learn how to respect other religions, it is not simply in you, you brainwashed creators of this world.
INDIA: Christians and Muslims being terrorized by hindus in India.
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.
Indian muslims are the most literate, the most prosperous, and the most free of any muslims anywhere.
i think u forget the minorty report issued last year about muslims in india by ur own govt led by mr singh ,it shows how litrate and prosperous indian muslims r
You take care of your minority state. U Pakistanis are always in the state of denial...
You are forcing people to marry first with Muslims and they convert them and why only Muslim, people are first the citizen of a state then they are Muslims or Hindus but you brainwashed people will not realize this reality..
You chamche of Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul
Mumbai and Chennai are the illegal cricket gambling capitals of the world. Cash Flows from these operations are being siphoned off by the Indian government to finance terrorists globally, particularly in the region. This off the book financing is also being used, in the case of sales of illegal booze, to finance terrorism. This way the indians are able to dodge the american financial radar.The american congressional politicians have been alerted to the double game Indians are playing.
west dont feel threat from hinduism due to slave mentality to outsiders masters ,and its epension indian r after all good in entertaining theior masters
Hinduism is a CULT....communal sex, drugs, medieval and barbaric values, worship every tom dick and harry. The world has rejected Hinduism and concentrated it in one location so it is easy to get rid of when time comes.
Go see a psychiatrist, and get some medication!!!!!
INDIA: Imminent Implosion
Having tried communism and failed, experimental democracy has failed in India also. A crisis is in the offing forcing Hillary to make several trips with CIA to plan a controlled emergence of independent states in India.
shamsi shaib the way india mending ties with pakistan with rapid pace it shows they know what is comming from afgnistan and west future there after all indians r theior doom chllals
FYI, CIA has also identified 262 places in Pakistan to do surgical strikes,
i told u american should hire u
ur good in propaganda ,
Try some Google, your "Iqbal kaa Pakistan doondne wala" mental "Zaid Hamid" is explaining to some stupid news anchor in geo tv...
So now you understand who does this propaganda.. Its Pakistanis///
Ironically the Doctor was given sentence of 33 years for helping find OBL, but my question is who helped OBL??? Pakistan has not even started the enquiry and I doubt they will ever start, otherwise their game will be open to the world.
I feel it is high time US & World community to be united to nail down the real terror state...!!
there is commision with suoreme court justice report is due soon ,it was recomendation by commision to toast dr afridi ,rest OBL saga every body knows who brought him into pakistan ,who trained him,who give money and weapons and bombs to understand it better look back 1980 era .
It is ok to accept that US in the early 90's helped Terrorists against soviet occupation but sooner they realised their mistakes and stopped harbouring them, but Pakistan made terrorism as their foreign policy be it Kashmir or Afghanistan, America learnt its lesson in hard way through 9/11 seems like Pakistan has still to learn one..!!
He spent some time with Sonia Gandhi in her cottage. Obviously they were not singing bhajans. Perhaps he left behind some offsprings there.
amit ur not lower cast do u?
No I am not... You Shiyaa or Sunni... 🙂
america has to do apalogy over salala incident that is the way farward ,and it will go long way to make relation with pakistan normal and better
Otherwise US can use Baluchistan..!! It is very soon expected to be free from Pakistani occupation..!!
realy when u know that ?like indian punjab or mao rebels or ulfa in assam american should hire u
@ Adam: I am originally from Indian Punjab and can safely say your dreams are never coming to reality. People want separate states for two reasons:
1. when they face injustice wrt to their rights like what happened in 1971 (Bangladesh), and what is happening in Baluchistan, Sindh & even Karachi.. Mind you take care of them otherwise out of four provinces you would left with one.
2. What happened in Indian Punjab was again supported by ISI (Pakistan) in 1980 and finished in 1984...
why u feel pain i have lot sikh friends too dont tell me by closing eyes like pigons u cannot save from cat reality is reality
Seems like lots of Zaid Hamids in Pakistan..!!
Please help us Indians as poverty is out of control here. We accept used clothing, left over food, we love beef, laundered condoms and the likes. pakistan has been very gracious. Other countries welcome to contribute. Pakistan will allow free transit shipments.
Seems like a Pakistani is sharing the state of his/her country...!!
Actually this is the very problem in Pakistan... always so obsessed with India that is very reason Afghanistan is still under the threat of hostilities created by them ...they don't want liberal powers which are pro-Indian taking control at Afghanistan....again hostile India will sandwich them from both sides.
Sorry state of their mindset..always live in self-denial
what u think about ur country india is also terror exporter to bangladesh ,srilanka ,pakistan what u think nobody knows that ,which librel forces u talking about in afghanistan so called warlords of northern alilance but they in minority its theior interest that keep american here beacuse they know they they gone thgey will abck to panj sher vallely
@ adam : India is not terror exporter to any of its neighbour.....
But fact of the matter is your Pakistan is the mother of terrorism.. you started it 1948 by sending terrorists to Kashmir, you butchered 3Mn Bangladeshi in 1971, you created terrorists in 1990 to remove Soviets from Afghanistan.. even you did not spare your so called all weather friend and now even China says stop sending them to China and you are saying India is terror exporter..
Have your checks and balances before commenting false statements...
u need to look into history first kashmir people want to join pakistan well known by un resolution too,who supported terror into bangladesh? in 1971 who created mukthi bani? ,into pakistan who created ltte in srilanka who supported them arms and money ,,u need to look history first then talk to me u guys r not in milk bath by the way cia did create these terrorist againest ur friend russia in afgnistan
The Maharaja of Kashmir Hari Singh choose to stay with India..!! Try some wiki-leak, surely it will help open up your mind..!!
I have only one thing to say, self denial is really harmful and that's the very reason of the current situation in Pakistan..!!
If educated people like you sway away from truth then even your Alla won't be able to save you..!!
Have a nice afternoon....
Pakistan is the epicenter of terror and terrorists in the world. We should cut off all aid now.
well 1947 the deal was by vote who wants to join india or pakistan not by maharaja hari singh dogra that why in un resolution it is mention let kashmiri people to decide by vote not by hari singh dogra u need to correct urself amit
J&K was a separate state at the time of independence in 1947 just like Baluchistan, Pakistan invaded it, just like they did in Baluchistan, Hari Singh has the choice either to fight it at its own or surrender it instead it came to India for help and India signed the transfer documents in 1948, and fought the war with Pakistani invasion same as Baluchistan signed the paper in 1948 with Pakistan.
So Kashmir is India's part... check it in Wikipedia or if the page is banned in Pakistan (I assume they don't want Pakistani people to know the truth), give me your email id, I will send it to you in separate mail.
You are not able to save what is yours; Baluchistan is on the verge of separation, Sindh is in the line next, people of Karachi are being avoided, FATA is almost gone and you are talking about Kashmir... wake up
Hey, what gives with Indians in these forums? Seems they are frustrated of conditions in India and jobless and venting off here? China is building tons of public toilets, can we send some Indians to clean them up....would be job creation for them.
Another Pakistani ....
like u another NRI
they can do it just print few more dollars what they r doing right now keep printing overtime
These numbers being thrown around in millions are peanuts. Only people with small minds deal in these figures. Pakistan has offered credit and long term financing to Americans for their transit shipments to Afghanistan and facilitating their retreat. Now for our Indian brethren to the east we have offered them subsidized food to deal with rising poverty in India. We have opened up Wagah border to help the Indian people from having to face famine.
Not to mention that Indians are now begging Pakistan to play cricket in India. This was predicted by someone on these forums. I will research and update who it was. Of course, Pakistan want to help their Indian brethren and will help. As you will recall, a few days ago the cricket league players in India were arrested for fixing league matches. This league is a big racket for financing terrorists and exporting extremism to USA and Europe by Indians.
What the heck is India's role in all of this? Sounds like they are Ed McMahon of Johnny Carson show...."Here's Johnny"...i.e. kissing american's rear ends and cleaning their toilets in Afghanistan. LMAO !! Get a life, Indians
CNN coverage about some doctor, Osama etc is all a smokescreen. This is election year in USA and Obama'a reelection is doubtful. The real issue here is that USA and NATO have surrendered to Talibans and are negotiating with them to save face in Afghanistan and retreat with some element of dignity. The war has made the americans broke and bankrupt. Humpty Dumpty syndrome
i think obama will win ,romney has nothing to show american public but its all depands on economy stupid
We are losing track of the big picture here. The process we are in in Afghanistan is one of retreat. One of running away with tail between one's legs. After fighting the longest war in the history of mankind we could not defeat a gang of a few ragtag Talibans fighting with rusted firearms. Pathetic. The rest is just smokescreen.
In my culture, we have a treatment for such Indians. It is called the "Hindu Necktie". You know what I'm sayin? bodda bing bodda boom....
The Indian student who was recently sent to jail in USA for causing the death of his jewish roomate by cyberspying on him is indicative of how double faced these Indians are and not to be trusted. We don't want such people in our country. As an immigrant myself I abhor such low level cultural values of hindus.
Clearly,I see frustrated Indians venting their frustration here. Probably some of this is from Indian Intelligence people called RAW spreading rumors and disinformation here. LOL, this i stheir level of sophistication. AMericans should immediately disassociate themselves from such goofy countries who have no chance in hell to stand against China.
they r slaves to outsiders since india exsist who told u they gonna stand againest china ,they ruled by outsider all along history ,from arians to alexander to muslims to british to russia to america now they r doom chllas to every body
Reading the comments in this section which are clearly from jealous Indians, Israel shoulod immediately withdraw all military and technological support they are providing to India. We don't want to be associated with losers.
Seems like a bunch of hindu fanatics on this forum with a below average IQ.
mo montana ,these r cyber warrior from vagietable country who using this forum beacuse they dont have gutts to talk with its neighbour ,india will never ever become super power these vagietables should look into history always ruled by outsider till today by americans stop dreaming
With friends like these,,,,
grow up now vegie u write every where these comment wont help u
This hero doctor deserves a medal. It is no surprise that the Pakistanis would jail him. The Pakistanis are always on the "dark side".
What we need is more drones!
more drones with chiness money hehe
It is not Chinese money but if at all it is Chinese, you have some pain in your ass
We should stop giving our hard-earned taxpayer dollars to Pakistan, a beggar terrorist nation.
pretty girl who is bigger begger pakistan or america u know ur whole country is running on chines money
US annual military budget is 700Bn$ which is multi-fold than your total budget..!! Seems like ISI agents are on CNN as well..
@Amit this does not amount to much if you are buying $1billion toilet bowls !!
@ adam: I think you are ashamed to show your true name as a Pakistani
stop spreading this non-sense
Considering that multiple terrorist groups call Pakistan home ( including Lakshar, Taliban, AlQueda, and Haqqani), it is no wonder they would want to protect the number one terrorist-Osama.
I think we should tackle Pakistan the way we are handling Iran
1. Stop sending aid.
2. Stop doing business with them
3. Squeeze their economy, and who so ever do business with them put sanctions including China.
By doing so I think in a week time, these poor baggers will be on their knees and we can get what we want like, opening the NATO supply route, releasing the good doctor & stoppage on harbouring terrorist support to Hakkanis and Talibans
Osama Bin Laden was clearly getting protection from elite parts of the Pakistani ISI and the Pakistani military. When he was found, the Pakis were caught red-handed....... Osama was living happily in a Pakistani military town, where he was lovingly protected.
This is the high-time..!! Would should arm twist them to either stop playing double gaming or Pakistan should be ready for the consequences...!!
what u mean by we should ?ur vagetable NRI
I am not vegetarian., I like eating pigs.. you should try one day...
i dont think so must eat cow one day ,eat cows paye u will love it
@ adam: People don't your advice what to eat..!! you keep your shit in your mouth..
Seems Pakis are feared to show their name on the net..
The Pakistanis are upset that we killed their favorite terrorist--OSAMA.
LoL
$33 Million won't even disturb a single hair of that hideous growth under the noses of these Punjabi Generals.
$330 Millions, they will barely look up from their plate of chicken Biryani.
$33 Billions, (about 2 years blackout from the $$$ supply-train), they will shoot up from their chairs.
typical vegie comment grow up
Pakistan is the treacherous one here, not the doctor. Pakistan has been receiving all these billions for a decade and have done nothing but help the terrorists. Then they punish the doctor who is doing the right thing. And now Pakistanis have resorted to extortion? They are really asking for it... when they get it they will not like it one bit.
Anyone on the payroll of a foreign intelligence agency, WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES is a traitor and should be dealt with.
The traitors on the payroll would include the top Punjabi Generals & politicians. The difference is, they get $Billions.
u sound more scum bage of vegie country east side of pakistan it realy hurting u dont u
@josh i agree with u ,but why americans r crying all around is due to this could be trend setter for theior spies who r not americans but working for them all othar countries ,that is the reason nothing more ,
its not only dr afridi they arreested whole ring that was working for american ,save the children ngo working for cia u dont know how much it damege the polio compain in pakistan .dr afridi was and is pakistan national its up to GOP how deal with him not the us
While punishing the Dr. seems inane one also has to question the ability of senior administrators to keep mum and not trumpet the details of the operation.
Why did Panetta reveal/confirm the Doctor's identity? That (forgive my language) is plain stupid!
Finding a terrorist was not an act of betrayal, hiding the terrorist indeed was. Free the doctor, punish Pakistan - teach them a lesson they will never forget.
Congress wimped out if they stick with the 30 million cut in aid to Pakistan. 30 out of 1 billion is just a slap on the wrist. We should cut ALL of the aid to Pakistan. We could use the money.
Yes, you are bankrupt. China is financing you. Pakistan has offered you credit to finance the logistics of this war.
@tbone baghi but americans have to clear the previous bill before next credit
if american cry to much supply container rate should go 5000 to 6000$
Agreed. Great idea. It is called "Capitalism" !!!
I think this is called Terrorism but capitalism....
panetta was crying in interview we dont have money we cant pay that
He said much more than what you have mentioned here.. if pro Pakistani lobby is saying what they have said, then it is going to be even bad news for Pakistan.. 58% they have already reduced, 33 Mn although symbolic but rightly reduced further..!!