Truck raises questions about China's role in North Korea's missile program
By Larry Shaughnessy
After weeks of military analysts examining the latest North Korean rocket before and after its failed launch, the focus now has turned to a truck.
It's not just any truck. It's known as a "transporter, erector, launcher," TEL for short, and is designed to move a long-range missile into place, stand it upright and launch it from just about anywhere in North Korea. The truck was spotted in a military parade in Pyongyang last weekend with what experts say is a new long-range rocket on board.
The United Nations is investigating if the TEL came from China in violation of U.N. resolutions, a U.S. official tells CNN. The U.N. Security Council committee that monitors implementation of the sanctions on North Korea is investigating, the official said. The investigation was first reported by Jane's Defense Weekly.
Asked about the TEL during a hearing Thursday of the House Armed Services committee, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said, "I'm sure there's been some help coming from China. I don't know, you know, the exact extent of that."
Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies agrees. "There is no question that there is a long history in the past of Chinese and North Korea cooperation on missile technology."
But he cautioned that "until you can absolutely confirm that the system was made in China and is a violation of the missile technology regime, that does not mean that because something came out of China it's a violation of any of China's agreements."
Charles Vick, a missile analyst for GlobalSecurity.org, points out the truck may not have been made in China. "It may be an offshoot derivation that the Koreans built themselves, but basically it's the same design," he said.
Or China may have sold the truck to North Korea in the years before the sanctions were in place. "That is not clear, how it arrived there, but it's a commercially available tractor truck," Vick said.
As for the rocket/missile the truck was carrying. Few experts are willing to say what was seen in the parade was real, "I think you create parade missiles for public display that don't have all the external equipment that's on them versus the real flight vehicles."
Vick is convinced that the rocket, if there's a real version, would be an adaptation of old Soviet technology, not a new version of it's Taepodong-2. "This is a new design, a much more compact design."
Cordesman said there is much we don't know about the rocket. "There are times when none of us really know since we can't look inside the skin," he said. "None of us have the faintest idea. First we don't know if it's real, (and) if it is real you need to talk about reliability or the guidance system."
On that point even Panetta, who used to be CIA director, agrees: "I have to tell you we need, frankly, to get better intelligence as to exactly what those capabilities are, exactly, you know, what's real and what's not real here, in order to determine exactly what that threat represents."
But North Korea's recent failed launch demonstrated that it has made little progress in developing long-range missiles, according to the director of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency.
Lt. Gen. Patrick O'Reilly told a congressional committee earlier this week, "Our experience has been you need a lot of testing and flight testing in order to validate and have reliance in the capability. They do not, and it's been evident every time they test. And their progress has not been made apparent in this latest flight test."
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Why is this a suprise? Where do you think Iran, Pakistan and Burma are getting help from? China. I believe that Venezuela and possibly Cuba will be next. The fact is, that China is working hard to develop a NATO with these countries.
Simply put, China is quietly developing a distributed power base using these other nations. It is smart on their part. Stupid on ours.
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china is not "all that" – they are over saturated in people, the depend on the words MADE IN CHINA to continue finding their way into people's homes and only a very small fraction of their military is professional, everybody fears big bad china, here are some words of wisdom, a war with china, how can they fight a war, that military would be on horseback after the first wave of killing, even with their professional troops they have the problem of fuel, food and ammo, they can't sustain conflict it would kill their whole society, then talk about sanctions against them, if they indeed did give NK technology stop buying their goods and send them into an even more severe depression, that country is screwed in the highest way, imagine what food shortages would do the China's population
Here's a thought, what sort of future are we leaving for our most cherished item – Our children.
Let's sit down together with these Countries and find out what their gripes and and settle them once and for all without resorting to wars and killing, if we don't the loser when we are dead and buried will be our Children and Grand-Children and with technology moving forward in leaps and bounds their future could be disaster.
Here's another thought, why are we spending so much money trying to find life on other planets when we can not get along on our own planet, what are we going to do once we find that other face try and destroy them because we do not like the color of their skin or hair color, it's time to change the way in which the world is heading.
It is very sad to see how little human life is valued these days, for any of you men out their that have had babies, remember the first time you saw and held your newborn child how good it felt and the amazement at the little life you and your wife have created, we need rear that child and protect them from falling into the negativity we have been raised with.
It is very disappointing to see a lot of these peoples lives changing for the worst and what little value is put on these lives.
As these search for life goes on in the Universe, I find it very disappointing that whilst scientists are trying to find life they are not finding any and any living organism even a fly or insect would be seen as a miracle, when the Universes miracle is the Human existence itself regardless of your race, color or creed.
We are only a small planet when you look into the sky at night, lets get along together.
War is a very impersonal thing as you look through a rifle site to pick off a so called enemy, after all they are only trying to protect their own families.
The Foreign and Commonwealth Office thanks corrtibutons for their comments. We are deeply concerned about reports of unrest at the Kirti Monastery in Ngaba, a Tibetan area of Sichuan Province, including those reports of self immolations which have occurred since the end of this updating period. We have raised these concerns both with the Chinese Embassy in London and with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing, asking for information and calling for restraint. Jeremy Browne wrote to the Chinese Ambassador on 3 May 2011 raising our concerns at recent human rights developments in China, including the situation at Kirti Monastery. At the 17th session of the UN Human Rights Council on 16 June 2011, the EU issued a statement calling on the Chinese authorities to refrain from the use of force in dealing with the situation at the Kirti Monastery, and to allow independent observers to the site. British Embassy officials in China make regular visits to Tibetan areas, and have done so recently. We have kept in frequent contact with the Foreign Affairs Office in Sichuan and local Public Security Bureau offices regarding access to these areas. We urge the Chinese government to work with local monasteries and communities to resolve the grievances which have led to these self immolations.We seek to be as transparent as possible in our human rights work. We hope recent initiatives, including the publication online of these quarterly updates and the convening of the Foreign Secretary’s advisory group on human rights, have improved transparency. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office values the experience and expertise of non-governmental organisations, and other civil society organisations and the input they can provide to our human rights work. In the workshops and field trips that we run in parallel to the dialogue, we regularly include representatives of NGOs working in the field in question. We are currently taking forward an initiative with human rights NGOs that will increase their input into preparations for the UK-China dialogue. In our foreign policy, we place a strong emphasis on supporting international trade and investment, which is vital for our economy and future prosperity. We believe that trade and human rights can and should be complementary and we will continue to engage with the Chinese Government on our human rights concerns both bilaterally and through the EU. We encourage British businesses to adopt best-practice initiatives, and on 30 March we published online our Business and Human Rights Toolkit [PDF 330Kb, opens in a new window], produced with UK Trade Investment, the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and the Department for International Development, which contains information for how we advise business in these matters. In addition, the UK supports the mandate of the Special Representative of the Secretary General on Business and Human Rights.
Here's a thought, what sort of future are we leaving for our most cherished item – Our children.
Let's sit down together with these Countries and find out what their gripes and and settle them once and for all without resorting to wars and killing, if we don't the loser when we are dead and buried will be our Children and Grand-Children and with technology moving forward in leaps and bounds their future could be disaster.
Here's another thought, why are we spending so much money trying to find life on other planets when we can not get along on our own planet, what are we going to do once we find that other face try and destroy thenm because we do not like the color of their skin or hair color, it's time to change the way in which the world is heading.
It is very sad to see how little human life is valued these days, for any of you men out their that have had babies, remember the first time you saw and held your newborn child how good it felt and the amazement at the little life you and your wife have created, we need rear that child and protect them from falling into the negativity we have been
On the other hand, India was testing its rockets too, the long range one too. And it was a successful launch...
That does it!!
Let's blockade China the same way we did with Cuba.
Oh, look.........another unemployed poli-sci major.
Tell you what we do! We tell N. Korea's Kim to tell Ahmadinejad that his sister is ugly and his mother dresses him funny. Ahmadinejad will Then swear out Jihad on North Korea. They will kill Kim, His Neighbor's, His wife's family, their dog, and his dog. Because that's what Islamist's do! They are trained from birth to be that way. Then we just have to deal with little Iran! (Not even as big as Alaska) SEE I SHOULD BE PRESIDENT!
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North Korea is what it is (a basket case) because China wants it that way. The fact that a Chinese truck hauls a
rocket (whether its a Chinese rocket or Korean doesn't matter) is NO surprise to anyone in the U.S. DOD. China
could "fix" N Korea in a relatively short time if they (Chinese) really gave a damn about the starving Koreans.
If our politicians could care less about starving Americans, what makes you think that the Chinese leaders would care about the (N) Koreans?
What's the big mystery? Real truck carries mockup of long range missile. There is nothing of strategic importance in a missile toting truck. Unless, North Korea drove it down the beltway. Cause that's the only way they are going to get their missile to the US. CNN sure bit on Panetta's truck joke.
Why the fukkkk should I care about N koreas missles, when people are starving, murdering, and suffering in my own country??
I've only seen the missles on tv, its time to loose the fear.
Then get your sorry behind out there and do something to make your "own country" a better place.
of course it was china, thats why it was a dud
you typing that on a computer made in china? you DO know in the 1960s that everyone thought Japanese products were sh*t right? countries evolve and become better, and in the case of china it's becoming better very very fast.
THE CHINESE WILL TRICK THE RUSSIANS INTO A JOINT ATTACK AGAINST THE USA, THEN THE CHINESE WILL ATTACK THE RUSSIAN'S AFTER THE US IS GONE. THE CHINESE HAVE EVERY TECH KNOWN TO THE WORLD BECAUSE THE STOLD AND COPIED ALL OF IT. WHAT'S SAD IS THE CHINESE REALY THINK THEY COULD SURVIVE IN A WORLD AFTER NUCLEAR FALL OUT DETINATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD. THE CHINESE ARE PURE EVIL
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Maybe the chinese 'donated' it. Or the chinese 'forgot' where they parked it and some NK's 'stole' it. I'm sure there's ways around the UN sanctions so China can still give NK what it wants without breaking the rules. This has a 'Spies like Us' type of thing going for it.
that missile doesn't even work. i bet.
Americans, get your sorry arses down to Walmart and buy that Chinese stuff right now! If you aren't reading this on an
Apple made in China you should be beaten senseless.
Would be nice if we had an intel arm that knew " the extent of that"
that would requier humit that Congress doesn't like or allow
we do !!!!!! but why would they disclose trivial information like who truck is it??????? this would kind of give away insite into how far our intell agents can reach the NK gov
"truck" is the transportation device or the TEL that the missile is on. Truck isn't a person, for what we know.
"After weeks of military analysts examining the latest North Korean rocket before and after its failed launch, the focus now has turned to a truck."
If I'm not mistaken didnt I hear America has enough nuclear power too wipe out the UNIVERSE 280 times?
I would argue that anything over 250 is just for show and likely ego driven
an attempt at the snarky use of hyperbole?
Wake the fuck up America
It isn’t America that’s a sleep, I’m one of them and I’m so tired of our stupid Govt and how they deal with China, NK and Iran. Our Govt is spineless and fails to act each and every time. Our police should be put your foot on their throat and step down hard.
Communist China is NOT our friend. When the time comes they will turn on us.
Completely agree with you on this. I have felt the same way for years. Why we give them so much trade power is beyond any reason. Our Govt is about as stupid as it comes when dealing with China and their backstabbing ways. We should have cut them off entirely and leave them hanging out to dry.
you DO know china owns the US right since it's their money that keeps the US running?
capitalists do not need friends. All the monster needs is opportunity to make profit, no limits. The monster will do business with all sort of governments even if such governments have any regards for life and/or human rights. However, when there comes to "conflicts" or "war", the monster begins to show "we have to fight for democracy"_ willing to toast young men as a matter of cheap currency. Wake up, if you play with the devil, chances are you're just as one or likely to become one.
Why shouldn't NK use a Chinese truck? We are using tousands of Chinese productions here in the USA. So far we are not using Chinese trucks but it would not come as a surprise if we do so in the near future.
It pains me to have to explain this but...NK has UN sanctions in place. That means, you can't sell things to NK that could be used/are of a military nature. Did you actually read the article or just here to make pointless "commentary"?
Josh, He’s one of the I D I O T S that go through life thinking everything is ok until it all hits the fan then stands there wondering what just happened. I’m dumbfounded as to how many stupid people there are in this world that are just like him.
and then when it hits the fan, they look to blame others for their own ignorance and apathy
I don't think this kid Jung Un should be ignored and categorize as a hardliner like his father and grandfather! I say so because in his address during the bicentennial celebration, he said "if anyone has an effective plan for the reunification of the Koreas," then they're welcome to present it! I read someone's post where the comment was interpreted as being defiant but I interpreted as an encouraging sign that the young leader would reconsider the reunification of the Koreas if the world was to play a part! And I don't think for a moment he meant a communist Korea but a democratic Korea! Again, this kid is not old school and he was educated abroad so we shoudl not take him for granted and if we do the right thing, well who knows!
Reality is that South Korea does not want unification. It would be like having your broke relative move into your house with six kids and no job. Look at the mess West Germany was stuck with when it reunified with East Germany.
LOL that is so true dude. No denying it.
So are you saying we should give Texas back to Mexico?
blah blah,
Since N Korea was not around before the partitioning of the Korean pennisula after WW 2, there would be no one to give it back to.
blah, blah. blah is a good handle for you
I like the analogy..
its true and unfortunate for the six kids surviving on aid but nonetheless funny
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And all those bleeding heart liberals want to feed these people that hate everyone who lives in the West. Ha ha ha
No, its you rightwing teabag trailer trash who hate the west and your own president because he's black!
And I guess you would prefer innocent children die. That's cool I guess
Dear Tom. One must have a heart in order for it to bleed. I guess you're safe then...
They don't hate everyone. Just our so-called 'leaders'.
We all know how this dance works every 3 to 6 months (regardless of Administration, it has been happenign for decades)
NK provokes....US gives free fuel
NK provokes....US gives free food
NK provokes.....US gives free (so on and so forth)
Lets just stop the charade and send a boat over every 3-6 months full of stuff and forget about it.
we can only do that much to bring China on board so that it won't slip into a giant rogue country if it is not one yet. yes I know that's a big if. I've argued all along that China is going to the most formidable enemy the world has brought up by investing, giving up our technology for free and buying their stuff unconditionally. Here it comes.
Chinese arms are abundantly available in black market. Next you will see those Indian missiles in black market.
that term is no longer acceptable.....the approved newspeak term is "illegal and invisible secondary market"
Yeah and the game of chess promotes race wars!! We need to campaign to change the primary colors from black and white to green and purple...oh wait we can't to that either in case there are alien races that happen to be green and purple...we wouldn't want to offend them either!...Stupid overly PC comment!!
@WOW:
Priceless!
It would seem the subtle Orwellian reference flew too far under the radar
North Korea: Say buddy can you spare an ICBM?
China: Sure, just don't point it at me. Go Dragon!
So? Americans use a lot of Chinese products.
Let's face it, I personally believe the Obama administration has to do more than past US presidents to improve relations with NK but his administration's response to the recent missile launch seem to imply that we are continuing to head in same failed and ineffective path! For example, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta responded to the launch by saying "we agreed to provide some food aid in return for their ending "SOME" of their uranium enrichment and missle development, and they do what has been already termed by the rest of the world as a provacative action." So my question to Mr. Panetta is what is the meaning of "SOME" when you said we agreed to provide them with food aid in return for their ending "SOME" of their uranium enrichment and missile development? Did the food aid agreement specify what SOME means or was the word SOME actually mentioned in the food aid agreement? And if so, then its perhaps the way you phrase it was misleading and the cause of NK misterpretating the conditions of UN Security Council Resolution1874! And if you say NK was allowed to launch only SOME of its missile testing, then how is this missle launch a violation of international law? No Mr. Panetta, your explaination is in itself provacative and misleading!
As I understood, UN Security Council resolution 1874 calls for NK to hault all uranium enrichment and all missile testing! So again, what was in the canceled food aid agreement to NK? If the food aid agreement said that NK is allowed to test SOME ballistic missiles, then how do you interpret UN Resolution 1874? Mr. Panetta I believe your agreement was inconclusive and also misleading and it fell short of its stated goals! With due respect Mr. Panetta, why not go back to the drawing board and do your home work and then resume talks with NK! You owe the young leader at least this if he is to follow a different path to his predecessors!
We made it very clear leading up to the lauch that we considered it a violation of the food agreement. So if there is the ambiguity that you assume there was, not having read the agreement (as I myself have not done), then that ambiguity was resolved when we said we considered the launch a violation of the agreement. North Korea proceeded with the launch. That was their choice after they knew what we would do i.e. end the agreement. There was consistent, unambigous condemnation of this launch from reginal powers, the US and the UN. Trying to claim North Korea didn't understand what carrying out the luanch would mean is simply wrong. They could have delayed or cancelled the launch. They amde their choice. Why should they be excused from that?
At the same time, should we deny other countries the ability to advance in a technological way? Are we still trying to play cops of the world or something?
Just send em food. Seriously, its not like we have a general LACK of it in the US. :I
Well, you made a very good point but I still believe we jumped to conclusion prematurely without allowing time for concrete dialogue with a young leader who just might well be willing to workd with us! As I said before, condemnation is one thing but to cut off all channels of diplomacy so soon and isolate NK for perhaps another decade is not going to accomplish anything especially when it young leader may well be willing to work with us! After all, he has been in charge for only four (4) months and he's not old school, he's from a different generation and he spend some time abroad!
Even if it did come from China what is the US going to do? Seriously, they would just write a small letter and that would be that. North Korea's army isn't anything compared to China's and they just slapped us in the face saying yea we got a secret nuclear program what are you going to do about it. The US government are the true idiots. Lets just stick with our plan to attack Iran like we did with Iraq under the question that they "might" have weapons.
Everybody calm down uncle O is going to take care of this. He is sending cousin Biden over there to talk to them and amaze them with his intelligence
You mean the same way that Georgie boy was president when they exploded those nuclear bombs?
Everything is made in China. Plus, don't be surprised if US sold weapons to Korea. Do you think the weapons we have only been developed in the US? Weapons trade has been going on for decades. If there is a will there is a way.
The funny thing about this section is that the United States is more obsessed with the TEL and less concerned about the showpiece (read dumb) missile.
Sayan.
@Sayan
See? Your verbal threats against Pakistan alone is very alarming and freightening even more so today since your ballistic nuclear launch! Deterrent is one thing but threats of using nukes against your neighbor is very freightening! I could just imagine the Pakistan military now scrambling to develop a similar long range missile and test it before the world's eyes in response to India's launch!
Funny, we get our panties in a bunch over what looks like, could be, maybe is, a chinese transporter in a nk parade. Yet we don't seem to be too concerned about the tens of millions given to nk during bush 1 and clinton administrations to keep them quiet. Do you think that they used one red cent on thier nuke and missle technologies? I'll bet a few of our $$ were diverted. What do you think.
Oh wait maybe that was before the sanctions we put into place because they used our money to create a nuke.
Well we didn't give them cash. We gave them food aid and other humanitarian supplies, just for that reason. Show me your sources that indicate we gave them cash!
Yes cash and food and assistance in developing 'peaceful' uses of nuclear power, Forget having a discussion, it is the facts. That food we gave them, likely didn't feed the people but fed the military and allowed NK to divert funds normally used for food to military purposes.
Just like the Lotto that they promote. All of the money goes to the schools. Sure, but then they offset the money that comes in. I'm sure that NK does the same thing with the food aid. Less money that they have to spend on the people.
Either your research is very bad, or your nose is growing.......
Maybe North Korea bought the truck and the "toy" missile on eBay?
There does not need to be a sinister plot here.
India test-launched a long range ballistic missile designed to carry a 1.5 megaton nuclear bomb and the west says Iran is trying to trigger a nuclear arms race in the region? Really? Hypocrisy!
So you think it's okay for Iran to have nuke weapons? That's almost as scary as Nancy Pelosi being president.
The point is why some are allowed and some are not.. Remember India "IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY" they play both sides, at least we know where iran stands..
Bob: The point is not so much who is "allowed". This is not a debate about global ethics, so much as a practical matter of national security. The United States of course is less concerned about nuclear weapons in countries that are extremely unlikely to use them against the U.S. - Britain, France, Israel, India - than in countries that pose a real threat to American interests - Iran and North Korea. It would be odd it if were otherwise. So of course the U.S. tries to discourage hostile and unpredictable regimes from developing nuclear weapons and intercontinental delivery systems. North Korea and Iran both fit into the category of "hostile and unpredictable regimes."
India is an ally and they said its for defense. But I can see how it's hypocritical.
Bcause they play both sides, India can not be trusted..
ANy nation can be our friends and things can change over night. Iraq was our best pal and so was Saddan until Bush made it our worse enemy then US invaded Iraq for not reason at all, no WMD, no ties to 911 or OBL. We dont need to start a war with powerful China.
@Blah blah..., Why we need to put one 1.5-tonne payload on top of Agni V? It is more sensible to arm it with five or more Multiple Independently Target able Re-entry Vehicles (MIRV).
Sayan.
Scarry! Now I could just see a nuclear arms race in the region! The kind the US prayed for!
MIRV is a tech that India don't have yet
It's really not Hypocrisy. It's called world politicking. China can't have it both ways; criticize India's missile launching and having very little criticism about North Korea's missile launching. I would have more faith in India's ability to control it's nuclear arsenal then North Korea. North Korea also happens to be allied with China and Russia while India happens to be allied with the west. Until China put North Korea in its place we'll have this arm race between the west and the east.
Iran signed the NPT. They don't get to develop nuclear weapons by their own choice. India did not, so they get to if they choose to, which they have. Simple as that. There is no hyprocrisy. Iran has a duty to live up to it's obligations under the NPT.
China helping a ENEMY NATION! NO WAY(!) THe USA should stop all payment to China, until they cut all support to all of USA's ENEMY COUNTRIES. as the sign of first complain send a couple of "WORKING" nuke in they direction and help solve they over population problem.
Your obviously not very smart. First we are in massive debt to china and nuking them while it would decrease an already over population would make them the victim then they can invade us. Hope you like having Chinese neighbors.
You're obviously not very smart. There's no way in hell that China could "invade" us here in the USA. First off, they don't have the navy capability to transport massive amounts of troops. Secondly, any large scale invasion, by either air or sea, would take many hours to many days respectively, and would be easily spotted and dealt with by our military forces.
Another Tea Party supporter, with an IQ of five
This suggestsGoogle- Communists have hacekd my gmail so now allow me to display my content without censorship or else I would leave Its weird that Google have suddenly found conscience with this attack. They don't deserve applauding for the moral grounds .Twitter and Facebook deserves it, as their refusal at the very first place resulted in ban from china.
2.3 billion folks that would be lots of Chinese to fight. Right now they have a massive military forces and quite sophisticated. They are all in top physical shape I dont think that the USA wants to engage China in any way.
Also it was OK for the USA to arm Iraq while Saddan was running the show? Israel and many other nations. OK for other nations to have nuclear WMD.
China is a very powerful nation with amazing military power and the right technology. SOme regions of China are like a 3rd world while others are way more advance and sophisticated than the USA. My travels across China had left me quite impress. And small Japan? Is at least 50 times ahead of us. Even all their toilets, every where, will clean you and dry you.
Its based on the Russian Made MAZ-7917 Topol mobile Launcher .
well if china is involved that would explain why it was destroyed.
If the US is as keen on provoking wars, and instigating conflict as everyone believes. Why haven't we launched an attack on North Korea and made it look like it was China? That's a win/win situation right? ......where's Israel when you need em...
No, it's a lose/lose. We have nothing to gain starting a war there. And, you're assuming out govt is smart enough to start a war and make it look like someone else did it. Not a chance.
How are you going to start a war in NK and make it look like China did it? Do you think this is 1899 when the USA started the Spanish-American war by sinking its own ship in Habana's harbor.
Nothing moves or shake in and around China without the gov knowing it. TO start a war in NK you would need massive military knowledge, equipment and men power. China is a place that you dont want to mess with. 2.3 billion folks!!! With lots of sophisticated weaponry and nuclear rockets that can go around the world.
Why does the missile have "western" numbers on it? And is possible that it is just a mock up like waiving a toy gun or an empty one during a robbery?
Those are not "Western" numbers: They are Hindu-Arabic numbers, which are now the international standard, including in the West and Asia. And the first symbol is a Korean letter.
by Western you mean Arabic? Hindu-Arabic numerals, Indo-Arabic numerals, I am not sure whats to western about it.
Thanks for clarifying. I used quotes because I knew that was not the word I wanted...just what I could come up with at the moment.
Languages are different. Numbers are the same.
Jim have you been living under a rock?
Now that the Chinese have been exposed their reputation is on the line. Theyre not going to want technology associated with a losing team i suspect the next Korean lauch will, miraculously, be "a great sucess".
The "iTEL will be at a "U-Haul" near you in a few days.
The truck is the concern? Really?
Of course they got help from China! Wasn't the "saltellite" launch last week (that failed miserably), the best example of inferior Chinese-made products?!
They only make what people buy!
was pretty much aware of the csohnresip when they entered China, back in 2006. They compromised with content and accessibility then itself. Google's mantra Don't be Evil was questioned big time.The laws are nearly the same as they were back then. Personally I think this innocence card is to cover up the past goof up.
Are they serious?? Everything is made in China
@Jason, TRUE LIES ;).
Sayan.
And I hear Al-Queda uses Toyota. OH NO JAPAN'S ASSISTING AL QUEDA.
LMAO!!
north korea really beleves they can somehow re unify the north and south korea's which everyone knows will never happen they are crazy about it and been planning against us for years over it its obvious if china is helping them we are screwed cause its only a matter of time before north decides to carry out thier crazyness ideas and china is too big and advanced
Somebody probably said the same thing about how the two Vietnams or the two Germanys would "never" reunite.
Uhhh, the two Vietnams?? That's like saying "the two USA's."
I get it (light bulb)... they're trying to fool the world. That failed launch was intended to fail. I bet they're far far more advanced than we know...
Why else would they beg for food, invite everyone to see a launch, thus not geting the food, and then admit "failure" while the whole world is watching... I call their bluff, that thing is real and I bet they have thousands more.
If I were North Korea, I would have done exactly what they're doing... Pretend to be weak, then surprise!
You're incorrect! I don't think for one minute that NK planned a failed launch to mislead the world into believing it is weak while it has a more successful missle program! You see, in order for a missle program to be successful, you have to conduct a series of launches and subsequently make adjustments until it was perfect! In the history of NK, it hasn't had a series of ballistic missle launches and when it does carryout a launch, its every two or three years and it never involve long range missiles! And that is why I believe all this hold condemnation and cutting off aid and diplomatic talks is an overreaction that is counterproductive to us improving relations with the young leader!
And the west say Iran is trying to trigger a nuclear arms race in the region? Ha!
I had better erase that picture of my chevy on Facebook lest I get in trouble with the CIA
Rather than concentrating on Transporter, Erector & Launcher (TEL) platforms, the United States intelligence machinery should concentrate on similarities in missiles of North Korean Nodong/Taepodong series and Chinese Dong Feng types.
China has a proven record of ballistic missile proliferation and the similarities may shock analysts.
Sayan.
It's odd that people from India are not able to tell the difference between liquid fuel rocket from solid fuel rocket. Both Nodong/Taepodong are adaptations of the Soviet Scud.
@whodywei, You seem to posses an ultra short memory. What we Indians can do was well demonstrated yesterday (Agni V ICBM launch).
As far as Chinese proliferation is concerned, it is a well established fact and propulsion is not the only area “distribution”.
Do some researches before you post.
Sayan.
Both Nodong and Taepodong are liquid fuel rockets. Did you do your research before you made your wild claims ???
BOMB CHINA
Now GW, remember, you're retired. Obama has the football now!
NO WAY really????
How about a story about all the FEAR MONGERING and how India just showed how ignorant people are....
Indias launch a Long Range Intergalactic Missiles with a range of 3100 miles was successful.... UH.... even if North Korea had one of those there is ZERO chance for it to reach the USA.... but then again we are so ignorant we dont COMPREHEND that long range missile CANT reach California from Virginia....
@bspurloc, There is a difference between a responsible nuclear weapons power and a rowdy one.
And yes, I am aware that the flawless Indian Agni V Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (make no mistake, the Agni V missile is capable of covering 7,000-km+ with a single warhead) test is creating lot of heartburn in the “neighbourhood”.
Sayan.
There's a difference between a responsible nuclear weapons power and a rowdy one? Really? During an escalation of tensions between India and Pakistan in 2005 over the disputed Kashmir, the President of India threatened a nuclear war with Pakistan! And if I could recall his words, he said "if Musharraf wants to kill all the people in Pakistan then that's his problem." Responsible nuclear power? Ha!
@Blah, blah…, you are totally unaware of India’s nuclear weapons doctrine that professes massive retaliation against a nuclear aggressor.
Although I am unaware whether India’s President made the statements you claim, from a tactical standpoint the “statement” is sensible enough to deter any Pakistani nuclear misadventure (repeatedly) based on nuclear blackmailing and gradual escalation.
And yes, for us Indians Kashmir is not disputed. Sooner or later we will kick the Pakistani occupants out of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK), a foregone conclusion even the Pakistani civilian and military leadership is well aware and dreads.
Sayan.
Only an extended version can do that but right now this is first test of AGNI V that didn't fly the 5000km and without any dummy warhead as well. It only prove the barebone missile flies right now.
Though the Human Rights situation in Tibet reainms horrific it is only a small part of the wider human rights issue. Following the Arab Spring China has taken a huge step backwards in Human Rights and Political Freedoms. Much stricter control of the press is taking place, disappearances are now being made legal, in 2010 nearly half of all Chinese domestic websites were closed down (no mention of this in the report), new internet content provider licences are now required to setup any kind of website hosted in China (externally hosted sites in Chinese would be blocked) and China's popular microblogging services which are providing an excellent source of civil opinion sharing are facing real name registration requirements and new forms of censorship touted as anti rumour measures . Also of concern to me is the situation in the city of Chongqing where a recent crackdown on gang activity led to a number of trials which did not meet international standards including some where the death penalty was handed down. The Party Secretary for the city Bo Xilai has recently begun to invoke Cultural Revolution images, slogans and songs in governance of one of the biggest cities in the world, very scary. This combined with a resurgent Maoist left within the party and internal jockeying for positions on powerful bodies such as the Politburo Standing Committee creates a dangerous new angle for Chinese Human Rights Development. China is a dictatorship with nearly all of the worst attributes of the Soviet Union or other single party states. From indoctrination through education, party propaganda being pushed through all forms of media such as books, magazines, newspapers, films and popular music not to mention a very firm public security apparatus which is barely bound by the rule of law.(I have concealed my real name as I am currently in mainland China)
@bspurloc
India has >>intergalactic<< missiles? No one inside or outside of the Milky Way can sleep easy with that threat. Is there any confirmation that they have perfected deployment of their photon torpedo via that missile?
The Bajorans are feeling nervous.
I'm sure you meant Long Range Ballistic Missile, or perhaps Long Range Intercontinental Missile. If anybody on Earth develops an "Intergalactic" missile any intelligent life out there would just wipe us out to avoid the hassle of having to deal with us.
China is feeding them technology a little at a time. They're definitely snubbing their noses at the sanctions imposed on NK.
I'm just appalled by our obsession to disarm countries we consider rougue states and axels of evil! yet, In American we have more deadly firearms per capita than all of Europe combined! I believe that all Americans should indeed be allowed to bare arms as stated in our constitution but unfortuunately, most of the deaths linked to gun violence in America are usually the result of unregistered and illegal guns purchased on the black market!
Its so outrageous when the NRA complains that our government is trying to infringe on its constitutional right to bare firearms but the issue here is not legally sold firearms that are at the forefront of the issue but the ones that are purchased illegally! But at the same time, legally purchased forearms or not, they should nevertheless be kept out of the hands of dangerous lunatics like George Zimmerman, Ted Nugent and Jared Laughner!
What are you talking about troll, you do realize that you are comparing guns to nuclear weapons right?
I'm not comparing guns to nuclear weapons! I'm just referring to gun violence in America and the loose laws that fail to address the circulation of assault weapons in our country!
Odd, you decry the US telling others what they can and cannot do/have but are perfectly willing to deny other American's their rights because you don't like them?. And you complain of hypocrisy?
He said "erector".
yes, micky, he said "erector" - now now, it is not a bad word. in fact it is a word everyone should be proud of. on the other hand "impotent" is the word everyone should feel bad for.
Who cares about a lousy truck? The big question is where did North Korea get a rocket guidance system?
Answer: Also from China. Where did China get it? The Clinton administration gave it to them as part of a "trade deal" back in the 90s.
Look it up.
Clinton did a "lot" of bad things: http://alamo-girl.com/0041.htm
Is anyone surprised the chinese chumps would be doing this in an effort to destabilize the area?
Why would they want to destabilize the region? Their economy is doing great, destabilizing the region would only send their market crashing. Doesn't make sense.
From the results of the launch I'd say the truck's not the only Chinese technology used.
Are you serious? The Chinese have mastered rocketry for a long time already. They've been in the nuclear elite club since the 1970s. They have ICBMs that can reach anywhere in the world. And I'm not even counting the rockets used to launch all their satellites and people into space.
Ah yes, North Korea. Land of the oppressed and home of the starving. So they have ONE truck that can launch (maybe) ONE missile. I'm supposed to be worried about that? For now, I'll find something else to be concerned about.
North Korea is nothing more than a puppet state for China. Anyone that does not know this is very silly or corrupt.
I think we're getting a little anal here.
That truck looks like something I saw on an episode of Hogan's Heroes–and LeBeau was able to sabotage it with a blob of chewing gum.
The Detroit automakers are not happy that this is not a Chevy or Ford truck.
Unless the truck's being towed., its not a Chevy.
You mean the government motors maker GM and Ford?
Erector!
There are lots of Chinese trucks here.
No. Obviously this vehicle was made in Canada.
Here we go again! Let me see if I get this right! NK launches a rocket to orbit a satellite it reported and suddenly it receives stern and relentless condemnation from the west! Then the west calls this launch a provocation and violation of international law! Then it retaliates by cutting off the recently agreed food aid to NK and postpones talks simultaneously! Then we imposed the most stringent sanctions on Iran to pressure it to stop uranium enrichment and relinquish its nuclear program and threatens to go to war with Iran! But two days ago, India test-launched a long range ballistic missile designed to carry a 1.5 megaton nuclear bomb and its actions are welcomed by the west with open arms and India is praised and congratulated by the west! But what I find outrageous is that the west also boasts openly and publicly how such a missile could impact MAJOR CITIES in China as if such a threat is childs play we should welcome and applaud! What hypocrisy! its no wonder the world hates America!
its no wonder the world hates America!
Seems to me, the US gets along very well with the civilized world.
The world doesnt hate us, just a few turds like you.
You mean the civilized world on the UN security counsel that declined to condemn the deadly crackdown in Syria?
The world hates us because they don't know us, they only feed off the hogwash the media puts out. Journalism 101....make a story so outrageous so that it gets more hits....so that you get more popular...so that you can do it again and again. We are just like you....here have a beer, lets cook some burgers.
No, actually the world knows you and we do hate you, sorry. If you'd like us not to hate you, stop being a country full of douchebags
Joe: America is the "only" nation in the world that is made up of all races, skin colors, and religions. The "douchebags" you refer to (or their parents or grandparents) came from "your" country!!!
To Joe: Clever comment.
To Ron: Even more clever retort.
UM. Why would this be shocking? N. Korea has long been China's little satellite.
NUKE ALL THE CHINKS & DIAPER HEADS 🙂
If China is not going to abide by the UN, why are they on the Security Council. They have contributed to North Korea's bad behavior, starting with the Korean Conflict. Now we borrow money from them to fight other wars.
Its a myth that we "borrow" money from China.
Its not like the US or any of the other members of the security council actually listens to what the UN says. Also China didn't start the Korean War, the North Koreans along with, to a smaller extent, the Soviets started that war.
So a country with 50,000+ nuclear warheads is now worried that a country with no nuclear weapons may have a truck that can hold one?
Umm no...North Korea has nuclear weapons, and has gotten in trouble for testing its nukes in violation of the pact they signed.
Korea has absolutely no nukes at all it never has and it probably never will well not for very long anyway they would finally make one and it would just fall out of the sky and land in Korea and they would all die.
Who cares? So they're frivolously spending what little money they make on weapons. Their country will die out eventually with no aid.
you r very rite on that my friend going of topic a little here but could you imagine what the world would be like if the U.S. and Russia united and made one huge super nation i think that that would be awesome to behold