Intel windfall from N.Korean rocket launch
By Pam Benson
While the Obama administration is urging North Korea not to go ahead with its expected rocket launch, the launch does present one benefit: The U.S. intelligence community will get the rare opportunity to more precisely see just how far North Korea has progressed with its long-range missile technology program since its last launch three years ago.
Although North Korea says it is merely deploying an Earth observation satellite, something it has failed at doing in the past, the United States believes the secretive nation is really testing technology that would also enable it to fire a ballistic missile carrying a warhead, one that could potentially strike the United States.
But the real question is whether the rocket performs as intended, especially that third stage, which releases the satellite.
The United States, Japan and other regional powers have the area around the Korean peninsula blanketed with all kinds of tracking and surveillance equipment to zero in on every moment of the flight, from launch to satellite deployment to the debris that falls into the ocean.
A U.S. official told Security Clearance there will be aerial assets in the region - specially equipped Air Force planes - to complement early warning satellite imagery, as well as Aegis ships with high power radar systems. The giant XBand radar, which sits on an oil rig sized floating platform and is used in conjunction with missile defense, has been deployed to the region from its base in Hawaii. Military and intelligence officials and experts will monitor the launch from locations around the world, including the Pentagon and U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii.
In case something should go awry and the missile veers off path or the payload appears to be something other than a satellite, the Aegis ships in the region and U.S. land-based interceptors are on alert to try to shoot down the North Korean rocket if necessary. Japan also has its Patriot missiles on standby to take defensive measures.
North Korea has said the rocket will travel on a north to south path with splash zones for the first two stages in the East China Sea and the Pacific Ocean.
If there is any doubt whether this is a satellite launch or an intercontinental ballistic missile test, the path the rocket takes should provide the answer quickly.
David Wright, a physicist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, said a satellite launch "starts out more steeply, it then turns over and goes horizontal to put the satellite in orbit, where as an ICBM trajectory would continue essentially rising." Wright has posted on his website a chart showing the two paths.
Another indication of how well the flight is progressing is whether each stage hits the splash zones projected by North Korean officials. In the 2009 launch, the first two stages appeared to perform as planned, although the stages landed at the front of the zone, leading experts to conclude there was not as much thrust as anticipated.
But it is the third stage that is far more complicated and where the North Koreans have previously failed.
"The earlier stages fell early and the last stage in previous tests basically blew up or fell apart or didn't make it to get the satellite into orbit," said Mike Green, a former senior Asia adviser in the Bush administration. Green added the key is to get each stage to detach itself so the rest keeps flying in a straight line.
Wright said it isn't easy. "There are various ways the third stage can be more problematic," Wright said. "Once it ignites it has to burn for a very long time, five minutes or so, and during that time it has to keep itself from tumbling, it has to keep itself on the right trajectory. So one question is whether they (the North Koreans) can really control it well."
All this happens in a relatively short period. Wright estimated the timetable of the launch to satellite deployment should be approximately 110-120 seconds for the first stage, the same time frame for the second stage and 300 seconds for the final stage. The satellite would be released into orbit at the end of the third stage burnout. So, all told, the launch from the pad to release of the satellite should be approximately nine-10 minutes.
The intelligence community already has a pretty good idea what to expect from the launch, having watched from its eyes in the sky the assembling of the three rocket stages on the launchpad at Tongchang-ri.
Retired Maj. Gen. Spider Marks, a CNN contributor, said U.S. intelligence agency satellites are capable of zooming in with "a high level of granularity" to see the components of the rocket.
"They have now run all of the models, which give a very detailed view of what its performance characteristics are going to be," the former intelligence officer said.
One change already observable from its position on the launchpad is the third stage of this rocket is slightly longer than the nearly identical one launched in 2009.
David Wright attributed the difference to North Korea's decision to launch this rocket on a north to south path instead of the previous west to east direction.
"In 2009, they were launching east over Japan, and when you launch a satellite in that direction, the rotation of Earth actually helps you," Wright said. "it gives you some extra speed. This time they are flying south to avoid going over Japan so they lose that extra speed from the Earth. To make up for that they would have to add fuel to the third stage. If you add fuel to the third stage it adds mass to the rocket."
If the satellite launch is successful, experts believe North Korea will be well down the road to firing an ICBM. Although Wright referred to the payload as a toy satellite, something without much capability, he said, "If it works, what it means is that they have been able to get the technology of these three stages to work correctly ... knowing how that technology works can allow them to use that technology for a ballistic missile, to launch on a different trajectory and with a different warhead."
Green added, "It's all part of a ladder they are climbing up."
But it may not end there. The next challenge for the intelligence community could be right around the corner with a possible underground nuclear test by the North Koreans. A South Korean intelligence report obtained by CNN includes recent satellite imagery showing increased activity at the site where North Korea has conducted two previous nuclear tests. In both 2006 and 2009, a rocket launch was followed by a nuclear test.
Marks finds the combination of events disturbing. "Even if the exact events are not linked in terms of desired outcome, they're coincidence on the calendar, next to each other, conducting one and then the next in close sequence is the thing that is really troubling," Marks said. "It just demonstrates to you both programs are continuing in parallel."
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Cant we all just ignore the little wanker in North Korea.
More entertaining to stare at blank wall.
Sabatage?
Yes the Japanese shot it down as promised ,try again and the result will be the same FOOLS 😉
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@ Michael.... i was wondering.... are you a Hillbilly or just need to go back to school. I have a homework assignment
for you. You must use each vocabulary word in a sentence.
1. Forclose- If i pay alimony this month, I'll have no money forclose
2. Rectum- I had two cadillacs buy my ol'lady rectum both
3. Hotel- I gave my girlfriend crabs and the hotel everybody
4. Seldom- My cousin gave me two tickets to the knicks game , so i seldom
5. Odyssey- I tol by brother, you odyssey the tits on that hoe
Oh... Great answers Michael... A+
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I guess that I better run out and buy Intel stock in the morning then!
NORTH KOREA'S ACME ROCKET!!!! THE COYOTE WANTS HIS ROCKET BACK.
hey all you wannabe comics...go watch saturday night live reruns or something.
Reports aare now surfacing on a North Korean plan to attack South Korea with a missle. Apparently the missle will be sent by truck to the coast, where it will be loaded on a fishing trawler and sailed to a secret landing beach in the South. From there a vegetable truck will ddrice it to Seoul where it will be unloaded and leaned against a government building. A North Korean water buffalo gang (they don;t have motor cycles in the North) will light the missle on fire as it is filled with really stinky kimshi.
ha...ha...ha yawn, another wannabe comic with zero talent.
What nation tested above ground nuke, had millitary walk through, told downwind people dont worry,released airborne radiation from Hanford Nuke plant that was producing Plutonium, and used members of prison population with direct injections and inhalents, to study the effects upon humans. Educated Americans working for Millitary/ Political/ Education and Scientific Community, and real nice people. US gov and Dept approved US Corps export of Agent Orange, as they did DDT, to Latin American agriculture, many US Corp owned with crops sent to US consumers, and with a change of color, purple, allowed US RRs to clear vegitation along low density populated areas? How low not stated? Untill they ran out, all done by Americans and all nice people. For last 50 yrs American Millitary induced Democracy has killed and driven more people into survival mode than live in N. Korea. World was invited to view first hand, wouldnt it of been more Intelligent to of gone and taken a peek up close?
that's real nice Michael, ming woo, or whatever your real name is....
my regards to your dear leader. too bad your rocket failed.
Can I bang your sister?
michael, please call me at 212-890-1590
What did he say??
Half-truth
Seems like everyone is falling for NK's April Fool contraption. For goodness sakes, it is a toy. It's not a missile, not even anywhere close to the size of an average high altitude rocket. This so called rocket can be built by a group of university mech engineering students.
NK go to the extent of conducting a showround for the world, because its a bluff they want to convince America its a real thing. Thats all. This toy will most likely explode in its third stage, again.
NK is incapable of any war, it just dont have the money or the will to start a war with SK. The old generals are living an opulent life, thye dont want to lose that. What is bugging them now is the people are running out of food – and soon the soldiers too. So they become professional food beggars, and so this ridiculous rocket idea.
By the way, there is no solid evidence of NK's supposed nuclear armed missile. Zero.
April fool America!
so i guess several u.s. presidents and the world community are all wrong to worry about it and you are right.
ok, i see it now...
More hi tech in a weather sat needed than rocket. Up the road a bit is a firm that makes non conventional explosivesthat has a 5 mi all dead zone, dead is ddad! If this rocket or any missle is using any form of radio telemetry as a part of its guidance it can be obstructed and especialy as close as many foreign powers are, and must be done quickly or else you got a rouge rocket. Orait makes perfect sense, geo/political as well as practical, they do want the damn thing to fly where than get info from sat gnd this not going to be that high an orbit. Shortest orbit to maximize its nonpermanence. Frame Nuke Japan* only civilians in decision making meetings, and just two of them, asked, WHY DO WE NEED TO INVADE,they sure as hell ainp going anywhere and have no millipary left and no way of building one. Millitary said we invade and Air Arm said lets bomb the hel* out of em, and did and then military said lets do that again to show the rooskies just what we can do if they try any thing, a negotiating to
you are a north korean hack....nobody is fooled by you.
The earth is not round, it is egg shaped.Early 60s US steals plans of USSR short to intermediate 2/stage, by time they build 3 we have 11. Talk of crude guidance of theirs to oursuntil one of group says* So what, theirs 300m hit zone, ours 30m, w/15megs, dead is dead. Capability of our cameras to zoom comes from math of Chaos Theory, RussianMathematician working w/German and Japanese camera and radiotelemetry of uS. First ICBM USSR war so crude US said wont work, same sane sci guy as above said will to! Radio announces Sputnic*BEEP BEEP! 10 million children in US go to bed at nights hungry, why? US NOW 8th in worldas far as infant mortality rate, why? At launch date How many 100s of BIlLIONS of millitary warmaking technology hoping they get to show world how smart we are, by blowing the thing out of the sky. While an Iraq and Afghan farmer hearing one of worlds most technologicly advanced helicopter freezes, hoping his hoe is not mistaken for a gun. why?
incoherent
incoherent because he's sitting in Pyongyang under the watchful eyes of the two portraits of the "great and dear leaders"
He's north korean....a blind man could see it a mile away. A DPRK hack.
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Bad headline, implicates Intel.
Bad headline; implicates Intel
Only if you don't speak English. Intel means intelligence, and did long before Intel Corp existed. Expand your mind, bro.
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Plus, China will get to see how South Korea, Japan and America respond.
Only thing NK will learn about our reaction is how hard we laughed at them...
We should blow it up right where it sits.
What for? It usually does that.
By the headline, I thought the reference was to Intel Corp (maybe they were using their chips or something). Glad to have been wrong.
they bought they thing at a hobby shop down the road...it is solid fuel cartridges...a tiny parachute deploys.... there should be 2 very long wires that get rolled out to a ignition device...these things sell for 34.95 on eBay...i had one that fell over then fired...almost took out my sister that summer
reading your post was painful
There are so many images from so many different angles, I am sure someone has been able to get close to it and has tampered with the rocket and it will just explode and fall when released.
and there are only twinkies in the top.
...mmm...twinkies...
The images have been released by the North Koreans. If they had come from intelligence sources they would never have been released in order to hide the fact that there are people in NK sending us clandestine pictures.
the images came from international photographers that were let in. Do some homework.
@ Erik
You're sure someone was able to get close and tamper with it huh? Clearly you have zero actual knowledge of North Korea. Please don't post until you can be bothered to understand what you're commenting on.
exactly. they have guards for anyone who bothers to look at the pics carefully.
Seeing the heading I thought Intel Corporation made tonnes of money selling their processors to N. Korea....
That's why I clicked on article too!
Why couldn't they have titled this "Intelligence windfall from N.Korean rocket launch" instead...punk CNN trying to deceive readers into thinking this had something to do with Intel Corp
Intel is the security industry's standard short hand word. Being on a blog called "security" I'm sure there's no interest in making you think Intel Corp was a part of this story. Seriously.
you need to see some Tom Clancy movies to learn the jargon dude. It ain't cpu's from Intel corp being discussed here.
I hope they launch it because obama is too much a whimp to do anything about it and NKorea knows it. LOL
I think Osama Bin Laden and the entire nation of Pakistan might disagree with you about that.
I'm with Jim on this one, Hingie...
O please… that same thing would have happened if Bush was in office… hell the same thing would have happened if a chimp was in office. I do not think Obama is the anti-Christ that republicans seem to think he is. However nether is he responsible for Osama Bin laden. Our military and Intelligence net- work is. I say this as an independent so I have no allegiance to ether party.
What is a "whimp"? Did you, perhaps, mean "wimp"?
Say "Cool Whip"
So just what is it you'd have Obama do, eh Hingie? Something tells me ANYTHING he did would automatically be wrong in your book, hmm? In my book you're just another pathetic right-wing parrot!
No, BO did the right thing with Bin Laden. The next excellent thing he needs to do is lose the election.
No, BO did the right thing with Bin Laden. The next excellent thing he needs to do is lose the election.
Yes we really need Newty Boy to save us don't we?
Obama too much of a wimp? And what did Mr. John Wayne...um I mean GW Bush and Darth Cheney do about it? They talked more tough, that's about it.
They can't afford to feed their own people and their kid's growth is stunted, but they can afford to build a rocket. What a bunch of sickies.
It would be something if it crashed in China. Thats karma.
Hahahaha. I wonder where they got the metal for it.... Yeah, it will crash.
Hack into the guidance system and make it "accidentally" land in Beijing.
I don't see in any way how this would be funny or worthwhile, unless you're some kind of terrorist.
It would give NK another problem to think about besides us. Plus China doesn't have the problem with wiping people out that we seem to have.
The Chinese would quickly eliminate the problem. H-ll they got the money to pour it on and then some.
With this type of rocket, once the engines fire, there nothing to be done except wait. There is no control on a rocket. Just stage release latches which fire on set time table or stage of engine burnout. But, not a bad idea. If China finally realized that North Korea will never allow them the bases they want, and drops junk on them, they may stop defending them.
there is a self destruct button , and china would demand that. but as to the jerk that thinks this thing landing in a populated area is a good thing , he had better sign him self in before others do
I agree
One doesn't 'hack' into a guidance system except in the movies. It's not like this rocket is hooked up to the internet.
The biggest threat of NK developing this technology is not that they will use it, as they can hardly afford to build it, but that they will sell it to someone who can, and will use it. Their biggest source of income is weapons.
Good point! NK is only increasing the value of its stock in the terrorist black market. Perhaps the "Mutually Assured Destruction" concept should be broadened to include builder/suppliers as well as launchers, hmm?
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The irony is perhaps the impoverish nature of North Korea that is “protecting” it from superpower aggression, otherwise the notorious proliferator of ballistic missile technology would have been taken care of long ago.
Sayan.
The best defense is a strong offense!
You are missing some important differences between North Korea and the United States:
1. The United States is a democracy with freedom of travel for its citizens. North Korea will kill or torture anyone who attempts to escape.
2. The United States is not in a perpetual ceasefire with it's neighbor with no interest in signing a peace treaty.
3. North Korea has a habit of sinking South Korean ships, kidnapping people of interest, crossing the border and killing South Korean soldiers with axes, shelling South Korean cilivilian and military locations.
I can keep going on and on and on but I know you are either trolling or trying to complain about something unrelated to North Korea and more personal to your own country.
Wow...nice..trolls are an epidemic on CNN..
Shoot it down and show them how futile it all is. NK is on the brink of obliterating itself.
Sure... let's reignite the Korean war...
Perhaps if we ask them nicely they won't launch the rocket. :rolleyes:
can't reignite a war when it never was a "war" it was a "conflict" and it really never was won or ended.
@ Mark: The Korean War wasn't a war? Hmmm...I have many family members who would say differently...and some who are not here anymore to remark on the matter.
I trust our State Dept. here. It's certainly conceivable that the awful prospect of war now is dramatically less awful than after proliferation reaches the stage where NK or other crazies can engage in mass destruction with the push of a button – or the passing of a cargo container/semi-trailer/panel truck to even crazier people.
The people in South Korea that are living in range of NK's artillery are eternally thankful that you aren't at the helm.
Well lets see, how many rockets has the US launched? If the North Koreans objected to our launches would we stop? This whole thing is hypocrisy on the part of the US because we think we are the good guys and they are the bad guys. Cowboy politics.
we do what is in our best interests. Thats the way it should be. The primary duty our government has is to protect the safety and security of its citizens. That is done by ensuring that we have a strong defense, offensive capability, and ensuring that psycho, erratic dictatorships don't develop the ability to attack us.
Why should we be content to allow a nation to develop deliverable nuclear weapons?
right on, too bad the anti american, anti israel, anti west posters have not read "The Prince" and dont understand the nature of global politics. oh well, hard to argue with the uneducated
Over the past 67 years, the US has demonstrated that it can have nuclear weapons and not use them. Same for the other existing nuclear powers. Iran and North Korea have no secret of the fact that, if they can deploy them against the US or Israel, they absolutely will. Big difference.
Perhaps the USGS should stop funding global earthquake/tsunami monitoring and warning. We could use that money here in the U.S. Perhaps we should stop helping farmers in developing countries grow food for their starving millions. Maybe the U.S. should stop doing a lot of things for the ungrateful world community on its tax-payers "dime". Maybe it's time for the U.S. to seal its borders, rid itself of its invaders, and take care of its own citizens.
So you want the US to be like North Korea?
Right. Maybe it's time to just stop caring about the rest of the world. After all, why do we need them? We can just roll up our welcome mat and become completely isolated. Just care about our problems and ignore what the rest of the world is doing. Why should it matter to us?
You would have to be a complete idiot to believe that would even be possible, let alone the right thing to do. The world is too small today to believe that what happens "over there" might not effect us "over here". Everything that happens effects us all, and nuclear explosions effect everything from weather patterns to radiation levels all over the world. It is well past time to believe that we can ignore anything big happening anywhere on the planet, and to think otherwise will doom us all...
You don't know the difference between 'effect' and 'affect' yet have no problem calling someone else an idiot – nice 😉
It's called sarcasm guys. If something sounds this absurd you might want to go back and re-read it with the idea it might be sarcastic instead of busting a vein in your forehead over it.
I don't think it is sarcasm. I think the guy is serious. I guess he doesn't understand that without world trade our economy would collapse overnight.
If US wants a nuclear weapons free world, then it should lead by example. Isn't every country acquiring the nuclear weapons and delivery systems just to protect itself from the US hegemony? US has been meddling with every country's affairs for a good century and the world is tired of it. Agreed that NK is a failed state and very fragile but has large amounts of arms which will fall into wrong hands if/when it fails. But, US cannot always claim "national interests" and object whenever another country tries to advance militarily. If US citizens need armed protection so do citizens of other countries who are not on your Christmas card list.
If the world needs a government, it has to be UN and not US. Americans may have gotten used to being at the top but life is full of ups and downs. Today's weak is tomorrow's strong and vice versa which history has amply demonstrated. It is the good that you do when you are at the top which will protect you when you are not at the top anymore.
Yeah, that's right. Every country needs to protect itself from those imperialist US Pigs by having nuclear weapons. Even at the cost of their own people starving.
I'm not even going to tell you how foolish you sound about the U.N. being a world gov't. They can't stop anyone in the world from starving. Oops – guess I just told you.
The UN? Are you the Antichrist?
from defending shoe bombers and underwear stuffers to defending N. korea that staves its citizens and attacks S korean interests to test its weapons, this poster is simply anti american and spews garbage as if he/she thinks "its" garbage is credible. keep it up, you are too easy
We ARE the good guys and they ARE the bad guys. So what's the question?
You think THEY are the good guys? If so, please explain what they do GOOD for their people and the rest of the world.
Although there is an armistice in place, I know that technically, some countries (like Canada) are still in a state of war with North Korea. I'm not sure about the terms of the armistice, but I would consider any such launch to threaten the armistice, especially since they would not allow it to be inspected first to verify its 'peaceful' nature. I say shoot it down as soon as it leaves NK airspace.
We have no right to dictate what another Country can or can not do. If they want to develop Nuclear weapons so be it, we have more than enough firepower to shoot anything aimed at us down. SK probably has enough to shoot it down.
We can no longer afford to be the World's Police force.
Nor do we have to be. Japan and SK will take care of it should the rocket wander into their airspace.
Like them or not, North Korea is a sovereign nation. There is absolutely no reason they cannot pursue a peaceful space program. They do not pose a realistic threat to anyone–any attack against the U.S. or an ally would result in the total destruction of their country and they know it.
Except their best buddy is China.
Yes, the same China that the USA falls all over itself to give its money, jobs and technology to.
Whatever. Look – this is not High School. Yes, N. Koria is a sovereign nation, so is USA. Both have rights to act in their own selfish best interests. And if that includes a bit of shoving around or knocking schoolbooks out of the other ones hand then that's how it goes. Like it or not. And if it means picking a fight that's also fair game. For both sides.
So N. Korea has to be smart enough to decide what reaction it will provoke from the big guy. Sometimes you have to realize when you're weak and stay out of trouble. To do otherwise shows how stupid/crazy you are.
An ICBM test...and a nuke test. Every part of that speaks to attempts to develop a deliverable warhead.
How is that not justification to blast that rocket off the launch pad?
Oh... come on... everyone knows that missile and nuclear bomb tests are a demonstration of the peace-loving nature of the country conducting them...
Lets hope so or all the tests the USA has done could be viewed by some as just as serious of a threat.
Wow...Really? I can't believe how much interest this launch is to the US. Assuming the natural progression of armament for a country who is just trying to come into the 20th century. Sounds hypocritical to me since this is the exact same path the US took in the 60's under the guise of space exploration only to develop our own ICBM technology. Satellites for communications and spying were not even on any ones imagination back then. To top it off, we have been the only country to even use a mass weapon of destruction on another country...Twice even (Japan).
What is your point? That because we used nuclear weapons to end a war against a country that attacked US first, we should be content to allow anyone and everyone who wants it to develop the capability to land their very own a-bomb on our soil?
My point is that whenever we (US) develop new technology, especially destructive technology, we shun the worlds opinions of us and forge ahead despite the opinions of other countries. Why should we expect any other country to be any different when developing their technologies?
thats exactly the point of these anti american posters. don't you get it? if its american, israeli, british or a danish cartoonist, its no good, if its muslim or against the interests of the West, it's good.
You can't convince a fool with logic. And in this case wisdom is not something you can learn afford to learn from experience (unlike the example of "a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged")... fortunately, even the incompetent political leadership we have now (across the spectrum) realizes the danger of being unprepared to deal with dictators who could go over the edge...
Your logic is flawed. If an enemy in the 60's could have stopped us, they would have and they would have been within their 'rights' to try. Germany certainly did.
Now we, as an enemy of N. Korea, have the right to try to stop them.
You compare world politics to communism – everyone gets to be the same. The rest of us realize it's like capitalism – it's competition. Each of us fights to keep what we have – including dominance.
Like any sane person I do not support what United States did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yet to be fair in context do also take note of the treacherous Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour on December 07, 1941 and Japan’s gross (horrible is the more appropriate word) human rights violation in South East Asia during World War II.
Sayan.
The firebombing of Japanese cities was worse. So, you would have preferred that? The US was defending itself after a sneak attack... you do know that, right? Surely you don't think we should have sat passively after being attacked to see what the good Japanese planned to do after that? (Actually, I'm certain that IS what you think.) Go reproduce yourself. Better yet, don't and do the world a favor.
How were the Western colonies which existed in Asia prior to WWII better for Asians than Asian imperialism would have been? If Europeans and Americans running Asia was such a great thing for Asians, why did Indonesia, China, and Vietnam among others, fight to drive the Westerners out after the war?
@ SoWhat
I do agreee that NK can do whatever they want within the confines of their soil however your history teacher gets an F.
Actually the History Teacher gets an A+. Communications Satelites were not why we went to space. ICBM development is why we went to space. Our development of smaller and smaller nuclear devises went hand in hand with our missile program. God Bless America, but let's be real.
The Japanese were not going to surrender without an incentive or a mass land invasion.
Please doin't misunderstand me. I believe the dropping of atomic weapons on hiroshima and nagasaki (Not sure if I spelled those right) was justified. 200,000 dead is vastly superior to the millions of dead on both sides an invasion would have cost. But there is evidence the japanese were trying to negotiate a peace through the russians. It's just the russians refused to pass those efforts to the US because they wanted to declare war and seize the islands they eventually did and peace would have made that impossible.
Crying hypocrisy on the side of the US is like telling the sheriff he can't have a gun unless the bad guys get one too. Come off your high left wing horse and realize this is reality we're dealing with. This regime is dangerous, this regime starves its own people to heighten its militarization, this regime tortures, executes and enslaves political dissidents. If you're so interested in allowing North Korea to become sheriff, why don't you go live under their jurisdiction and protection for a while. If not, get your thoughts in line and realize this world isn't Neverland.
"Left wing?" My god you're an absolute moron. You are pathetic.
Well said.
Aaron,
Self-appointed Sheriff... that's what it is. Democracy, US's greatest export to the world, is much appreciated. But, US's excesses cannot be ignored either.
Dear Scott, Name calling. Great. You lose the arguement.
Keith, don't you know that name calling is about all liberals have to come back with in an argument?
Aaron –
Amen and amen; well said.
Scott –
Checkmate, you lose.
If they want to step into the 21st century maybe they should try feeding their starving people. But, they have the resources to test bombs and and ICBMs??? Peaceful? Whatever.
what you said is true, but when we had our missle program, we didnt have a self-crazed dictator with the contempt not to feed his people so that he could fund the rockets. Thats why democracy is the best way to go, we get bad people some times, but at least they can get kicked out, The North Koreans can't do that.
China sold long range missiles to Iran, after Russia stopped working with them....So is this missile a Chinese missile too...using Chinese computer chips that have strange extra code added to their prgraming...Anonymous might just hack it, in flight, and do a little sky writing...
which means that Korea could launch at another country and blame it on hackers....
Shoot the rocket down, IMMEDIATELY! HOW STUPID is it to allow Pyongyang to threaten S. Korea as they do? The World is a different place! If a so-called 'leader' threatens genocide against another sovereign country, it should be the obligation of the World community to DESTROY that threat, no matter how many humans are destroyed in the process! What we have is a West that is impotent and full of words and NO ACTION! Sit back and watch how Israel takes care of its own threat of genocide. That little terrorist mutant, Ahmadenijad, will have a missile delivered through his bedroom window very soon! You stupid, submissive peacemonks are the reason the World is in chaos! If you want peace, you must prepare for WAR! If Americans want to keep America, get rid of the pansy in the oval office and DESTROY the threats against Israel and the United States! Normal, everyday humans have had ENOUGH of the rogue creatures in the middle east and elsewhere making threats against the planet! ENOUGH!
What part of ICBM (INTERCONTINENTAL ballistic missile) do you not understand?
every letter, sir.
Huh? Maybe the world "community" should have destroyed the US before we committed mass genocide against Japan in the 40's. When the threat by Japan against the US wasn't even real to begin with, we followed through with the unimaginable. With that in mind, what makes you think the US has no balls?
SoWhat, The U.S. saved thousands of lives by dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Without doing that the next stop would have been a land invasion of mainland Japan. That would have cost a hell of a lot more lives than the bombs did. And many of those lives would have been U.S. lives.
Read a few history books about WWII before you go spouting off on what you think you know.
Regardless of whether Japan was working on terms for a peacefull surrender they clearly didn't get the message after the first bomb fell and that is why the second one was dropped.
Japan was looking to overthrow and claim every piece of land in Asia. I don't think that is the type of nation you can deal with diplomatically. The attrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII were and remain some of the most atrocious in the history of the planet.
Thankfully they are now our allies but back then they were the enemy and we dealt with them as we should have.
@SoWhat –
Do some historic research about PEARL HARBOR, then go stick your hands into ice water for one FULL minute. That will prevent you from typing meaningless, asinine pap for at least a little while.
Your mind is warped, Ken. Do you really believe that it is the peace lovers who are creating the chaos? They always look pretty PEACEFUL to me. You said "...DESTROY that threat, no matter how many humans are destroyed in the process!" Do you really believe that Ken? Because those are the words of a selfish coward, and THAT is what is wrong with the world, too many greedy, selfish, cowards.
"pansy in the oval office" ??? I'm no fan of Obama's but have you ever heard of the West African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick" ?? IT was a favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, among others... Didn't you learn anything from the reign of shoot-from-the-hip (or should that be "lip") George W. ??
I'm curious why the US is so concerned. This is nothing new from N.K. Let them enjoy their firework display and if they ever pose a vital threat then nuke them off the planet. Better yet just dust them with Hemp and maybe they'll all chill man.
After lanch then what. Now the U S has a lot to learn form this long-range missile technology program , montior the rocket the whole world will be looking at this rocket
On a serious note, it is Telemetry Intelligence (TELINT) that will be able to take account of possible similarities between North Korean and Iranian ballistic missiles.
I am pretty sure the USAF E-3 AEW&C and RC-135 platforms along with USN E-2C AEW&C from USS George Washington (CVN73) are busy in the region.
Sayan.
I have my Daisy BB gun ready.
iIs that you Black Bart?
United States has several Air Launched Hit-to-Kill (ALHTK) projects underway notably around Lockheed Martin Patriot PAC-3 air launched derivative and Raytheon Network Centric Airborne Defence Element (NCADE).
However it will require political will to “test” these systems in the present realistic scenario especially in an American election year.
Sayan.
Let the little Rats starve, especially the one with the Punk haircut.
@Jeff, make no mistake, the one with punk haircut will be well (perhaps over) fed. It is the common citizen who will bear the unfair burden.
Sayan.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/maximum-visibility/
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/signs-and-wonders/
clown!
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/
The “mammoth” projectile/missile is a “flasher” of sorts, requiring hardly any “Intel”.
(Note to CNN moderators: Name deliberately changed to SayanIndia).
Sayan.
United States may consider hiring the North Korean missile test site against “fat pay check”, “Dear Leader” may be secretly aspiring for.
Sayan.
The novice “Dear Leader” in desperate need of (International) attention.
Sayan.
Maybe they are sending the ashes of the former leader into space....
North Korea is like the little brat on the block, where everyone else is working hard to improve the neighborhood...and the little brat is always making trouble...The Asian market is growing...and China is the biggest market..that region is heading to become the dominate banking, manufacturing, shipping, trade center of the world...but North Korea has a terrible economy..and can not even feed it's own people...so every few years they have to scream the threat of WAR,WAR,WAR to get enough food to survive for another few years..they need to change their economy to manufacturing something they can sell to the world..because the world will not let them sell weapons...They are the biggest threat to peace in the region, and to a long term prosperous future for the other Asian Countries...
Thinking we should shoot it down.... they test putting something up, we test – shooting something down "Thanks for the target" once it leaves N.K. air space, isn't that an option? obligation?... they won't let us inspect it, therefore we can ASSume it's not good.
And when is the last time the US let someone inspect their military sites...oh right, never. Thanks for playing people who live in glass houses..
The US has indead allowed inspections both by the UN and the USSR in the late 80's and early 90's I was present for some of them
Joe: I see a trend in these comments, like yours, in which commenters argue that the U.S. should allow or even encourage other countries to do what we're doing. They say, in effect, that because U.S has nuclear power and nuclear weapons, we would be wrong to discourage Iran and North Korea from developing nukes and delivery vehicles. The rebuttal, of course, is that the purpose of national security is not to be even-handed with one's opponents and enemies; it is to make sure that sane, rational countries, and particularly countries friendly to one's own nation, have the advantage. To do otherwise, to encourage every hostile nation ruled by an unpredictable joker like the young Kim in North Korea, or like the ayatollahs in Iran, would be foolish.
Think, Joe. Would the U.S. have been wise, or morally right, to give the Germans and Japanese the Norden bombsight in 1942? How about giving the Nazis the results of our nuclear weapons research? Should we have given the Soviet Union, and Saddam's Iraq, our stealth aircraft technology in the 1980's and 90's? Would it have been right to do so? To make dictators and tyrants stronger, and more able to resist international pressure? Of course not.
Try google maps and street view.
Awesome, thirty years ago, surely you haven't produced any weapons since then...
many of our missle sites have been decommissioned. If you have the cash there is a company that will turn one into a nice condo for you. If they want to come inspect rusting holes(the ones that haven't been sold) in the ground they are most welcome.
just because its not in the news, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
let me help your math skills 2012 to 1990 is 22 years, and to the point you said never which is clearly not true
If it is a sattelite, lets see how long it takes to lose communications after it flys over US territory.
looooool
Satelite...made in China??
Every sovereign country has the right to launch a satellite into space. N.Korea is no exception. What's all the hype is about? Let them launch their satellite and spy on their Southern neighbours.
The world has double standards for everything. The U.S. is OK to launch military satellites and spy on everybody in the world, listen to all of our private conversations, read our emails and faxes through ECHELON and N.Korea is deprived of that right?
I think we need to balance out the world a little bit through introduction of more nations to the space and nuclear race. That'll even out the odds.
I see your point, but I think it hinges on how you define *Right*. When there is no superior power (arguably in the case of nations which have no one above them judicially), then the right is that of the stronger. One can try to obtain an advantage, but usually this is done over many decades and secretly so as not to provoke a response. NK is pretty good at the game.
@Alex, do you really think a nation (North Korea) hardly bothered to feed all its citizens interested for peaceful exploitation of space?
In any case the difference between a satellite launch vehicle and crude ballistic missile lies not in the “technology” but in the “attitude” of the projectile.
Sayan.
I dont fear the man with a thousand warheads, i fear the man with one... North Korea wouldn't need to exercise this ability if peace was on their plate.
Hey Karl, nice paraphase from the movie The Peacemaker. Dr. Julia Kelly's comment was, "I'm not afraid of the man who wants 10 nuclear weapons...I'm terrified of the man who only wants one."
They can launch satellites. They have that right. They once signed on to the NPT, but then backed out. So we can debate whether they have a right to nuclear weapons development,
Alex: You wrote that every sovreign country has a right to launch a satellite into space. Where do these rights come from? Not from international law. Not from international agreement. Not from the bible or other religious book that I'm aware of. Where do the "rights" come from? Or have you just made them up?
Any foreign nationals/scientists around the launch site ;), that could be interesting.
Sayan.
Proof positive that nuclear blackmail works. Write your congressman and threaten his job if he allows U.S tax dollars to feed the N. Korean regime. Diplomacy be damned, It hasn't gotten us anywhere in the last decade.
I agree, but we should do the same with Israel as well. There's nothing scarier than a pissed-off nation that we HANDED nukes over to.
Israel needs to defend itself from terrorist nations like Iran and Syria. There is no moral equivalence between Israel having nuke to defend itself and Iran having nukes to threaten other countries.
The really serious issue is how much of this N. Korean learning curve is being sold to Iran? Probably lots of it. Iran is probably financing a lot of this stuff. N. Korea and Iran are like to peas in a pod: nations lead by lunatics.
Why isn't Iran being factored into the commentary?
the ICBM knowledge actually would come from iran to north korea and possibly the nuke techno stuff would be from north korea to iran something like a trade , and do not be surprised if iran claims the nuke device that is said to be tested in the near future is iranian.
No harm in expecting a best case scenario: An explosion in the launch pad.
Sayan.
I hope we use our airborne laser, early.
That program was discontinued or became classified, no longer admitted publicly..but the land based and ship based chemical programs were not discontinued..so maybe we will see a malfunction with the launch..and maybe it will be because of the Korean's...or for some other reason...we will have to wait..the big problem with Korea is the US and China do not want to face off over a boarder, and North Korea has thousands of guns and rockets pointed at the South..even the Capital and many large cities..and those can be fired quickly..and the North has hundreds or more, of spies in the South that would report any large movement of the population...and of course the North has a terrible economy built around the military..China needs to help North Korea change it's economy to manufacturing something like cars or something the North can sell to the world...because they can not sell weapons very easy...
This is the first, and last time I will be on here. As much time as all of you spend complaining about things on sites like this, maybe your efforts would be better put to use if you actually tried to do something positive with your life.
go jump in a lake
States the guy wasting time writing about nothing.
ABORT , ABORT MISSION ITS HEADED INTO CHINA
If they can afford to build 2 rockets in the past 3 years, they don't need the free food that is forcibly being taken from my pay check in the form of taxes. Why the heck do we keep feeding our enemies?
Because you are a blue collar worker with no understanding of politics or diplomacy. If you keep your enemies dependent on you, then they are no longer your enemy.
Because thats what makes us caring human beings and sets us apart from the barbarians.
The people may be dependent upon our food. The leaders are not. The statement that they are not our enemies because we feed them is totally bizarre.
i don't have the right to judge leaders of a nation.. the question is why other nation don't want NK to launched their own missile? if the Nk did not violate any international laws on airspace and laws to humanity towards crime to any state or people of any nation and so on, i guess they can't hold them back..
Because the propulsion system and trajectory used by this rocket is essentially a ballistic missile test which violates the UN Security Council's resolution.
The only difference between a satellite and a ballistic missile is the third stage of propulsion (the one that they haven't gotten right yet). A satellite trajectory levels out by delicately easing off power to make orbit possible; whereas, a ballistic missile continues a powered flight more vertically such that it inevitably reaches a peak and falls back to the earth. By the way, ballistic missiles would essentially only be used to launch nuclear weapons since their payload is light and they pack a punch to "justify" the cost of the launch.
God all you dumb liberals are so dumb. Bush never took any freedoms away if anything Obama is health care bull shit. We have the freedom to get anything we want not my fault there are so many lazy ass holes out there. Grow a pair get a job might not be what you Want but its a job. Oh and try for once to support us troops I know yall are just a bunch of selfish dumb liberals that dont care about anyone but yourslefs. Try for once the reason you can be so dumb so selfish speak how you want worship how you want is and always will ne because of the us military. Just try it for one week be nice to troops pray for us thank us.
Many of us vets continue to support our brothers in arms, we just think America is headed down the wrong path. Bush was a bad man and made some bad decisions, just because I believe that doesn't make me a bad American or unpatriotic
Amen to that. Right on.
It is clear that your IQ is very low, your grammar is of a first grader. You use a word which has been brainwashed into your stupid head by puppeteers, you have no idea what liberals mean. You are no different that terrorists that are brainwashed by their leaders, except you being brainwashed by GOP.
You shouldn't criticize someone's grammar when you can't proof read your own post. "You are no different that terrorists that are brainwashed by their leaders, except you being brainwashed by GOP" You must just like the word THAT, most stupid politician's followers do. Now THAT'S some good grammar 🙂
I was working at one of the VA Regional offices, out of the Directors Office in the 1980's when Reagan was President..
The Reagan political appointed leaders of the VA were saying there was no link between the Vietnam Vets and Agent Orange expose. Waved around studies paid for by the government and the chemical companies, that they said showed no connection...found many other causes instead..deflected the critics, delayed any real help for the vets, were used to deny claims of vets.. all because of the high cost of admitting any blame, or link..
Tthe actual VA doctors and staff that saw the vets, the sores..the deformed babies, the sick vets, would say of course there was a link by they would be fired and sued, loser their licenses, if they spoke publicly about what they saw.
The autopsies of the dead vets show toxins in their organs, liver, skin...
The VA lawyers told the vets prove it came from Agent Orange exposure...give us prof..days of the use of Agent Orange and the localtion, show us your orders or prof you were in those areas...
The Vets of search and Destroy missions knew many missions were classified, the records were wrong on purpose...the records of the Sprayings were lost or wrong, because Agent Orange was being used as a nerve gas, to spray enemy villages and the border regions...The Search and Destroy Teams would walk through those areas....
The Reagan Administration was blocking funds for Vets...closing Vertrans homes to returning vets to cut costs..Closed all the Federal Mental Hospitals, sending 500,000 mentally ill men and women out into the streets,
And at the same time the Reagan Administration was also selling Saddam in Iraq diluted Agent Orange in the form of Roundup to reconcentrate into Agent Orange, and use as a nerve gas on the Iranians...or the Kurds
My point is the Liberals are not the only ones you need to watch...This same thing also happen with the returning vets in 1991..with the Gulf War Syndrome..
Slightly confused are we? Bush took away several freedoms which I will not bother to list since you are so smart, you can do your own research. Also, I don't know where you have gotten your information, but Americans are most definitely supporting of our troops, it was the Bush administration which didn't bother to protect troops properly AND lowered the benefits troops receive. You really should pull your head out of that hole it's stuck in and do a little fact checking before making a fool of yourself.
I love how you start your post accusing liberals of being dumb and how much you hate Obama for the health care bill.
You realize that Obama's healthcare bill was modeled after Romney's health care bill in Massachusetts, and that it was a Republican think tank that originally demanded there be a mandate right?
But of course you knew all this because you are such a smart guy.....
You are a moron. pretty sure the patriot act did take away civil liberties you dume a-hole.
.....and your statement has what to do with the CNN article above, about the North Koreans?????
Maybe the link between his comment and the story is about the value of intelligence gathering, or about the real value of having any intelligence at all....to analyze a situation...
You may think that all liberals are dumb, but you are the one with the writing skills of a five year old.
Wow. Was your tirade intended as a joke, or are you really as foolish and uneducated as you come across?
Do only conservatives serve in the military now? I support our troops and have 3 liberal relatives in the Marine Corps So stop blaming people you don't understand for your own personal visions of liberals bringing this country to it end. Just check your platoon buddies and you'll notice there are liberal, conservative and middle of the road politics in all the US Armed forces. So don't get so down on liberals they're the folks fighting along beside you. And sir you could use a proper spell checker yoursefls, are you smarter than a fifth grader I think not.
Really funny that someone like you ,with extremely limited communication skills, dares to throw the word " dumb" around. Basically, your rant is incoherent and you pegged yourself as another brainless member of the Hannity-Rush-Beck crowd. People like you are dangerous because you have managed to convince yourself you are knowledgeable, which automatically authorizes you to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. At least people who know they are ignorant tend to have respect for their betters. Read a few books.
What was he trying to say? What an odd form of illiteracy. I believe it's referred to as "Functional Illiteracy".....A term used to describe reading and writing skills that are inadequate to manage daily living and employment tasks that require reading and writing. So I guess this guy gets his information by listening to Hannaty, perhaps, or a Limbaugh-type. But the noise in his head just kind of mixes things up, obviously. But if you play the "Support the Troops" card or the Obamacare card you can't go wrong, right? Poor devil. I hope he stays in the military. But darn, they are ready to lay off pretty soon. Then what for this fellow? Welfare? Obamacare? Say, weren't we suppossed to be talking about the North Korean menace? Sorry for going off topic. : )
Wow that looks just like the Super Max Estes Toy Rocket Kit....Cost about $4,000.00 and made of cardboard...We shot one off last year....It was hard to find a place to put together a 80 foot tall toy cardboard rocket...but it sure was fun to launch....Only problem was the parachute carried it about 40 miles away....It took a rented Semi truck and flat bed trailer to get it back home again...Now we just use it as a kids play house...
They will never follow the treaty agreement (Korean war). Shoot the rocket down.
so this is how it works , the people starve,the country is broke but they havee money to shoot off rockets, that is one bunch of dumb people, "no you don't eat today becuese we need more rocket fuel".....lol just maybe the world will get lucky and it will blow up on take off and hit the presidental palace !
Based just on the headline, NK should launch more after this one to give you more windfalls until you are satisfied. In any case, will CNN's Syrian Danny go watch the launch ?
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/blue-skies-from-pain/
Neat stuff. Bookmarked
They import tons of U.S. food, why hasn't a 'mysterious outbreak' or 'food-borne pathogen' broken out yet? What are you waiting for CIA?
You are one sick and twisted dude. Good Job.
When I saw the headline I thought the company Intel was making a big profit off of this. No doubt some Intel microchips are in there, though.
There's no way North Korea could fire a long range ballistic missile at the U.S. without our military shooting it down. The idea is a complete fear mongeringing joke. Das wassup, yo.
Having worked in military missile defense for over 20 years, I can tell you that our system and techonology isn't as advanced as you believe. We have watched every object North Korea has lauched for several decades. Their technology is behind the curve, but many modern technologies do foil our current intercept system.
The US currently has over 5 thousand nuclear warheads. Thank God America can be trusted not to use any of them. Uhhh....America CAN be trusted not to use them in any of their globalization efforts....can't it?
Yea, you cracked me up too.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/circle-ix/
We wouldn't have them if we didn't intend to use them
I wonder what rights we'll have to sacrifice for this threat?
What threat, the one Japan made to shoot it down? What rights could you lose over that? Besides Bush is out of office now, the rapid destruction of our rights has slowed over the past three years.
"the rapid destruction of our rights has slowed over the past three years"! you have to read something else besides CNN and The Huffington Post! One of the first things Obama did was renew and strengthen the PATRIOT act; He has placed a blatant racist in office (Eric Holder, which is a whole other conversation) as well as issuing several executive orders that fly in the face of the first amendment the most recent of which looks a lot like a power grab for a looming post election insurgency in to Iran. And please don't cite the fact that it has been in place for year and used by both right and left! He was supposed to be the change for the better! A man who has been instrumental in carrying out his (Obama's) plans, Leon Panetta, had the stones to sit in front of a senate subcommittee and say that the president no longer needed congressional approval to go to war! Instead they only need to seek permission from an international organization (ie the UN) and then will INFORM congress of their actions! He allowed the "bipartisan' (Levin and Mccain) NDAA 2012 to be pushed through and even went so far as to have language limiting government ability against citizens removed so his admin could further their agenda!
I did not like bush, I voted for Obama... I bought the BS and now i am PO'ed that he was not only more of the same, but actually far worse then those that came before him.
Newton said : "If I have seen farther it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants"... Obama has stood on the shoulders of all of the status quo politicians and taken constitutional violations to near stellar heights.
@WeDontMatter and Hans Gruber:
Decent comments. And if further proof of escalation of government audacity is needed, read INSIDE THE MATRIX (WIRED, April 2012, or WIRED.COM). However, I must say that I can't object to the imposition of further intrusion of spy agencies, given the current continent-wide activities of subversives. (I am Canadian, so mind my own business? Hey, THE MATRIX is world scale.). As an aside, maybe Pres. Obama should read or re-read the history of ancient Rome:
Caesar's demise was caused not by his enemies, but by the mistrust of his colleagues.
(P.S> : je suis bilingue, mais qu'est que c'est ce "PUBLICAR"?)
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison
There are subversives and the like all over, as a matter of fact there have always been. The CIA estimates that there were thousands of spies in WDC during the cold war. We had and am sure still have our share around the world. I have heard from many in one form or another that since they dont cause any trouble they are not worried about the increase in government control... This is both disheartening and frightening. We are essentially saying: "well, I dont really use that right all that often so go ahead and take it... if you think it will keep me safe". I for one like my rights and want to be able to use them as I see fit. We are turning into the type of nation our founding fathers were fleeing when they created the US. I WOULD RATHER FEAR SUBVERSIVES, INSURGENTS, EVEN FOREIGN GOVERNMENT THAN FEAR MY OWN!
Here is a great example of government (a state government this time) taking our rights away:
The Indiana supreme court upheld a decision that (to Summarize) says that if a police officer enters ones home with neither warrant or probable cause the citizen cannot lawfully resist but should instead take the proper recourse through the court system at a later date... I call a police officer illegally entering my home an armed intruder and will deal with him or her as such.
The Obama administration estimates that by 2015 their will be 30,000 drones (mostly for surveillance) flying over the US...
TSA VIPER squads are check points plain and simple and should be viewed for what the are: the predecessor to a US Gestapo.
No, didn't slow down, there's just so few left to take
Oh, Hans... did we forget about the legality of the war powers act? Apparently, we did.
@Seraphim0
I did not, but Obama has, most recently with the establishment of the no fly zone over Libya, there was no declaration of war and our forces (even if they were acting as UN forces) were not withdrawn with in the time allotted by the act. And if we revisit Panetta's comments, one can reasonably assume that upon" informing Congress" of our foreign approved actions the time allotment provision would not be followed either.
Hans you'll be dead and won't get to go to court if you fight the police.
You never did have a right to fire upon police entering your home. That decision – of whether they have probable cause or not – is and always has been a court's to make. After the fact. Otherwise EVERY criminal would say the police didn't have probable cause and therefore legally fired upon police. Umm – No.
ALL rights are granted and upheld at the court level. There are redresses if police or any other gov't agency violate your rights, but you don't get to play judge and jury anymore then police do.
I look forward to the coverage outside your house. I suspect, in the end, you'll die of a "self inflicted gsw"...
So the only country to have used nuclear weapons and has stockpiled tens of thousands more is worried that a impoverished country MAY a one or two nuclear weapons MAY have created a platform to deploy one?
Your statement is without context.
Well look at it this way ..there are a lot of guns in the USA right? But look at what one gun in the hand of a mad man has done in our schools .. I'm not saying get rid of all guns but if we can keep a known lunatic from owning one shouldn't we try?
The US needs to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, and fix the problems in the US. When someone attacks, that is a different situation altogether. North Korea has just as much right to defend themselves as any other nation.
If the situation were to be left unfettered and unmonitored how would we know for sure it was not an attack? Seems like a pretty reactive stance to me. What have they to defend against? The US and South Korea have no intention of attacking them that I know of. The North Koreans are one of the most opressive, imbalanced, and paranoid countries in the world. If anything our allies and troops in the area should be able to know of a possible impending attack or activities that could be in preperation of one. If anything if they continue they will only shoot themself in the foot by loosing our food aid. Maybe that's what it will take to start feeding thier people right and for them to get on the right track. We shouldn't be helping them anyway at this point in my opinion. They need to learn to start helping themselvs.
The best defense is a great offense.its north Korean offensive capabilities that worry people. And yes maybe we shouldn't worry what goes on outside of our own borders but let me ask you this.
If a mob of thugs was forming in your yard would you just hide in your house And wait to see if they break in your home or would you do what you can to push them out of your yard before they get the chance?
"And wait to see if they break in your home or would you do what you can to push them out of your yard before they get the chance?" I think that would depend on the relative weapons we had. If I'm sitting there very very heavily out gunning them then I think I'd wait a bit. On the other hand, I would have been minding my own business so there would have been no reason for them to break into my house unlike our government which seems to think it has a right to bully any country that disagrees with us.
When you watch the media, you see that they are actually helping the North Koreans with "friendly advice." Is not this what the U.S. has done, when earlier on it had sold China the information on the proper rocket stabilization procedures? I am convinced that this very information has already been passed by China to the North! North Korea is a stooge of China, after all! It's a vassal ready to die for China.
who is providing the materials to allow them to make rockets and nuclear weapons in the first place???
It has nothing to do with this article, since you are here read a little more....When Romney ran against Ted Kennedy he wanted to be more liberal than him. His church will want you to give up your soul republicans. We need a true conservative in 2016...let the DEM have 2012.... Republican hang on to your beliefs for 4 more years. Dont sell your soul...Dont vote romney the reversible mittens.
Thank u for reading
It'll give us a chance to test the Airborne Laser, you mean.
Lets see how far American directed energy weapons programs have advanced.
😀
"Funding for the program was cut in 2010 and the program was canceled in December 2011. It made its final flight on February 14, 2012 to Davis–Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona to be prepared and kept in storage at the "Boneyard" by the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group."
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_laser
Maybe NK is getting the food network.
^^ EPIC! Made my day!
Did anyone ever think that NK is doing thhis launch to get a glimce as to what we have as far as Surveillance technology that we have?
there is literally no way for them to measure such things, unless their second rate hacker unit can outsmart our NSA
Well they could read this story about our intell gathering efforts.
NK imports food, and, at one time, was by far the largest counterfeiter of USD using Chinese-provided press gear, so, no, I don't think they could even know what to look for. Besides, who cares, we'll just keep innovating. Making new weapons is one thing we're great at.
The Chinese would definitely like to know that info. But, they have wagged the no-no finger at NK, right?
Could you not title it with 'Intel' for a minute I thought the Intel chip-makers were making a ton of money off this or something.
Me too. 🙂
Well it worked... Your here.
Hopefully it goes straight up, sputters and comes straight down and explodes
and hit the presidental palace !!
There is as much disinformation, and deliberate untruths, omitted facts, and emthymeme argumets presented by so called experts betwee themselves I who have already read it twice am gonna stop chicken scratching and go read it one more time.
If at first you don't succeed then try and try again.
The truth will be in the launch and until it happens all info will be commented on ad nauseum. But thanks for the new word of the day. Never heard or seen the work emthymeme before.