North Korea's neighbors apprehensive, angry over upcoming rocket launch
A DigitalGlobe satellite image obtained March 30, 2012 of North Korea's launch site at Tongch’ang-ri.
April 6th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

North Korea's neighbors apprehensive, angry over upcoming rocket launch

By Jamie Crawford

As an agreement for the United States to resume food aid to North Korea lies in tatters over the North's upcoming launch of a long-range rocket, there is a palpable sense of apprehension and anger over the launch in the reclusive regime's own backyard.

From South Korea to Japan and China, the Philippines, Russia and Australia, a varying chorus of anger and disappointment is being directed toward the Stalinist state in advance of the launch, expected later this month. The question now is what happens after the rocket leaves the launching pad.

"North Korea's neighbors have only limited means at their disposal to try to prevent it from launching this rocket and only limited means to respond," David Straub, a Korea specialist at Stanford University, told CNN.

For some Korea watchers, the most unpredictable variable is how South Korea will react if debris from the rocket lands in its territory.

In 2010, North Korea was blamed for the sinking of a South Korean naval vessel in which 46 sailors died, and the shelling of a South Korean island that killed four people. But the South Korean government withheld a military response under heavy international pressure.

This time could be different.

"There's probably going to be tremendous political pressure to respond" if parts of the rocket land on South Korean territory, said Victor Cha with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Many analysts who follow South Korea say the government will likely call for the United Nations Security Council to impose additional sanctions on North Korea, and will coordinate an official condemnation of the launch with the United States, Japan and other members of the international community.

For its part, Japan has said it will shoot down any part of the rocket that enters its territory, something Japan has never done.

At a news conference in Tokyo last week, Naoki Tanaka, the Japanese defense minister, said he issued an official order to the Japanese military to prepare its missile defense shield in anticipation of the launch. There are plans to deploy ground-based Patriot Advanced Capability-3 interceptors around Tokyo, and the islands of Okinawa, Ishigaki and Miyako.

Three Aegis-equipped destroyers carrying sea-based Standard Missile-3 interceptors will also be deployed to the East China Sea and the Sea of Japan. The defense ministry says the military will deploy helicopter rescue units to be ready to respond in the event rocket debris hits Japanese territory.

Analysts say the current trajectory of the multi-staged rocket's path is north to south with the main body eventually landing in the Pacific Ocean near the Philippines. President Benigno Aquino III of the Philippines has publicly condemned the launch as a "needless provocation" that could increase tensions in Southeast Asia.

The Philippine government has announced a no-fly zone around the area where debris from the rocket may land. The government will also deploy disaster response teams from the Philippine military to certain parts of the country as a contingency.

North Korea has few friends in Southeast Asia, and concern over the upcoming launch was one of the leading themes of a regional summit earlier this week in Cambodia.

For China - North Korea's closest ally and largest provider of aid - the current chain of events follow a well-known script of provocative acts from the secretive state for which China makes an attempt at some sort of damage control while dealing with frustrations of its own.

"Despite all the leverage they have, (China) can't really control what the North Koreans do," Cha said. "At the same time, they are not willing to completely cut them off because they don't want a collapse of North Korea, which then leads to chaos and potentially unification (with South Korea) directly on their border."

Cha and others say China is likely to block any resolutions against the launch in the Security Council, and instead call for a return to international negotiations over the North's military programs.

And then there is Russia, another occasional ally of North Korea in the international arena that is thought to also harbor some sense of dissatisfaction with a launch that North Korea says is meant to put a satellite in orbit to mark the centenary of the country's founder, Kim Il Sung.

Russian opposition to U.S. missile defense systems in Europe is well known, and the Russian government is sure to not want any additional justifications for the United States to pursue missile defense programs.

North Korea shows no signs of calling off the launch, and for analysts like Straub at Stanford, what follows the launch has a familiar ring.

"The North Korean launch will force the United States, South Korea and others to respond, and North Korea will most sincerely and cynically use that response to do other things like perhaps testing another nuclear device," he said. "In any event, it seems very unlikely that we will have much in the way of intensive dealings diplomatically with the North Koreans this year."

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    Hmmm God's(Jehovah) Son(Jesus) Second coming will surely like to happen look at the world the signs in the bible its all happening and it says that That Armageddon will come here on earth just like a thief does and what does a thief do when he strikes? he strikes unsuspected and unexpected so Armageddon will come here unexpected so what the hell are these people doing...waging war? why cant we just live in peace and equality no need for war for war is hell and my grandpa saw all the hell what happened during WW2 no need for WW3 just live in peace with God.

    April 12, 2012 at 4:58 am | Reply
    • WW III

      End for Americans and UK!
      I love and appreciate for their merits against USA and England.
      At time time USA and UK destroyed the World getting peace.
      The one wich is blessed by God.
      Americans and the rest of Western World ,you will be harvasting what you sowed.
      The western destroyed and World getting peace
      Russia thank you for your raising anf fostering North Korea,China and Iran.

      April 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Reply
      • RoKCoMeN

        i wont say that the US hasnt brought despair to many countries and that it has done many mistakes. i also wont say that the US is the best country in the world. as it isnt.
        first of all, lets clear something up...i am not American, so dont think im just another american trying to defend the US, as im not.

        but what the hell is wrong with you people? the US and UK arent to blame for "going against world peace" as they never did anything to stop it.

        you realize that WW2 started because the US was tempted into it dont you? they were trying to stay out of it but finally Japan slipped and caused the US to enter without any other option.

        and for god's sake....seriously? "Western countries suck" idealist? GIVE ME A BREAK! wake up, and come to the damn real world. the people living in the west have NO fault at all. you are just trying to blame it on someone else to satisfy yourself. what a shame for a "religious" person really.

        not only that, but how dare you feel good that North Korea even exists? the dictator treats the people there horribly. im not falling for American propaganda, but its true. North Korea has a horrible government. the people arent to blame, its the damn government. if you come to the real world, you'll realize that no matter how messed up the US might be, it is a way better place to live than North Korea. if you dont like any country, how about going to Canada or something? its pretty quiet over there.

        my point is, WAKE UP. this "Western people have to be killed" is just plain stupid. (i am from Asia) and i think that people who say that are just blind. come to the real world. all countries are messed up in their own ways. INCLUDING communist countries and middle-east countries. its all based on opinion. perspective. ever heard of it?

        geez...trying to blame an entire race of people for the actions of pathetic.

        April 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
  9. EMtwiter2012

    What experienced professional say what to do on nuclear disasters " Use cement and pack them all inside."

    How could burn it a year now!

    The Japanese government Yes promote nuclear contamination and they are wrong.

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    April 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm | Reply
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    However, I must provide some information here.
    Of corse it's insane what NK does there.
    And one neighbor Japan, not Japanese government but japanese residents are very exhausted after Tsunami and nuclear hazards environment.

    I have no space to provide information on nuclear hazards and I write here.

    The japanese government does not smart, they don't learn anything in a year on nuclear hazards.
    Burning debris a year now from Tsunami area in Tokyo, Chiba and Yokohama.
    700 Bq/ kg from one burning facility in Yokohama messing the area.
    You must assume and multiply 700Bq/kg for any tons and the government want to finish 6000 tons using all over japan to burn debris.

    In a year people are dying from symptoms of nuclear diseases and the government and ignorant city mayors ignore those residents' various diseases reports.

    many Japanese now are neglected by the government and Cities facing serious life hazards.
    Frankly many died and dying from nuclear contaminations.

    STOP the government to burn debris from Tsunami area.

    Those debris are not safe.

    STOP the government to promote foods from the Tsunami area and neighbors.
    Those contain nuclear substances and people are irradiated and cause cancers and die from.

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    Taxes are spent by this stupid Japanese government to promote foods( which contaminated)
    hire actors and money circulating government to ads companies , media and food producers in Tsunami area.

    While people are dying.

    April 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Reply
  11. Alger Dave

    Time to do just what concerns China the most – create chaos in NK. Maybe it's 'chopping off the head' of the monster by killing leadership, or maybe something else, but there's little point to continuing as we have with these folks. They're just going to build more nukes, and they're so unpredictable, it's not reasonable to assume they won't use them on us. Why let them continue to play these games? They only understand force, so give them something they understand.

    April 9, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply
  12. post to pray

    We Filipinos just celebrated Easter, a reminder to us that after Jesus suffered and died on the cross, he rose from the dead and claimed victory over sin and evil. No amount of power can surpass what God can do. We will continuously pray for North Korea, its leaders and its people. Jesus said "whatever you will ask in my name it will be granted".

    April 9, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply
    • Roy

      Yeah well I got a news flash for you Filipinos obviously it don't work or the world wouldn't be in the shape it's in today and veterans wouldn't continue to be cheated out of their due benefits by The Department Of Veterans Affairs, there wouldn't be any drug addicts and there wouldn't be any alcoholics, murder's or thief's now would there.

      April 9, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
    • Pekpek

      Cut the Easter crap. The Philippine Government is weak and afraid of China. The president should issue an order to shoot the missile once it enters the Philippine Airspace. I dare you.. chicken....

      April 9, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
      • Cheese Wonton

        Shoot it down with what? Their two F/A-18's? The Philippine military has absolutely no means to counter a ballistic missile. The US, Japan and South Korea do (and I am betting one of the three will shoot it down right after launch), and possibly Taiwan does, but not the Philippines.

        April 9, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
      • Gjoe

        How would the Philippine government shoot the missile they don't have the equipment to do so.

        April 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  13. Jiji


    N.K was too terrific... though im comfortable that it will not happen ... but what the heck are they doing .... they have money for buying missiles and nukes and whatever....... but they are incapable for feeding their people....

    Missiles are now include in the basic necessities of North Korean

    April 9, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
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    did you know china has more woman in the military than the united states has total citizens?thats only the woman

    April 9, 2012 at 8:41 am | Reply
    • Yj

      So you are saying that China has 330 million women in their army? Its total population is 1.4 billion so roughly 50% of all women in in china are in the army? Fact check much?

      April 9, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Reply
  15. Steve

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

    April 9, 2012 at 7:33 am | Reply
  16. Delmar

    "...and will coordinate an official condemnation of the launch" Because this has worked so well before.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:35 am | Reply
  17. Raymond

    I'm from the Philippines. If that thing enters my country`s air space, I'll take it down with my laser guided slingshot and heat seeking blowpipe and sell the scraps to the nearest junkyard. Mabuhay!

    April 9, 2012 at 3:55 am | Reply
    • Tanner

      Nice. Yes, please, do the World a favor.

      April 9, 2012 at 9:04 am | Reply

    There is no need to have a nuke on board the rocket to test its ability. As long as the rocket can be controled with a payload roughly the same size and weight as a Nuke warhead. They can very easily then place a nuke in the rocket and expect good results based on prior effective launches of the same type of rocket.

    April 9, 2012 at 2:53 am | Reply
  19. abc

    heres the million dllr answere !!! we should arm south korea to the teeth so they can fight north korea and that way they can do the job for us !!!!


    April 9, 2012 at 1:51 am | Reply
  20. Jon651

    Under no circumstances should anyone make the mistake in believing that N. Korea needs to have the technology to be able to mount a nuclear warhead to a missile body in order to be a nuclear threat to the U.S. They already know we and our allies have more than adequate tech to detect a launch, plot a trajectory, and intercept anything they can launch. Any warhead (or several) able to fit inside a shielded shipping container will more than do the trick to any of our coastal or port cities, even before a ship carrying such a device (knowingly or not) would get to the point of our detecting such a threat. You don't need a missile or even the sophisticated guidance systems when you already have something the size of a small house traveling on cargo routes that are planned out years in advance.

    April 8, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Reply
    • Cheese Wonton

      A missile mounted on a surface ship needs a very sophisticated inertial navigation system built into the launch platform. While submarines have essentially no vibration and are very stable launch platforms for ballistic missiles, surface ships make horrible platforms. Pitch, roll and yaw, all of which are unavoidable on a surface ship, make aligning the guidance system almost impossible. Cruise missiles use inflight data such as terrain mapping radars and updates from satellites to know where they are, and they frequently use IR sensors to determine aim point one target. A ballistic missile cannot do these things as it is too high in space for terrain mapping to work and they travel too fast and are too hot for IR sensors or most radars to operate. They require a very precise knowledge of where they are when launched, and a very stable launch platform, to work.
      The US and Italian navies (bet you didn't know Italy had a nuclear weapons and IRBM programs back in the 1960's) both experimented with the idea of surface launching ballistic missiles and both abandoned the idea because even with an elaborate ship's INS, they could not align the guidance on the surface. Too much movement.

      April 9, 2012 at 12:07 am | Reply
      • Jon651

        Your thinking is too tech-based. The N. Koreans don't need a MISSILE launched from a shipping container, they just need to load the container with a NUCLEAR WARHEAD, and a few tons of moderately enriched materials to make it really "dirty". The warhead doesn't need to be small enough to be lifted by a missile – it could be the size of a bus and as low-tech as the Manhattan Project to do the job. You could arrange a shipping schedule that could have these things in transit for weeks before a rudimentary GPS would trigger them.

        They are not likely to have the tech to be able to put a powerful enough warhead onto a missile that is accurate enough, long-range enough, in a fixed site hardened enough,and can be launched secretly enough to be able to actually hit anything smaller than a single continent any time soon. But delivering a nuke to a target on a container ship is child's play.

        April 9, 2012 at 5:13 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Jon, have you been to a US container port lately? There are radiation detectors every container is passed through operated by Federal officers. And every ship coming in has to give the Coast Guard and DHS a manifest of it's cargo and where it originated. It would be very hard for a container to originate in North Korea and then move to the US without the Coast Guard knowing about it. We have systems where shippers abroad have to certified by our government to send their containers to our ports (our people visit them too), or they cannot do business with the US. It is not so easy to do as you claim any more.
        But, our good friends the Russians did just introduce a version of the 3M54E Klub missile that can be loaded in a four pack inside a shipping container and they showed it at a recent airshow in Russia. It is called Klub-K. Russia won't discuss who the customers are for this version of the weapon, but my guess is it is Vietnam, gearing up for a naval confrontation this summer with China over oil exploration off the Vietnamese coast in waters claimed by both China and Vietnam. They can be fired from a truck, a ship or a rail car. However, It would not surprise me if North Korea tried to buy some, but any ship originating from a North Korean port doesn't enter the US and if it subsequently visits a more friendly port before heading to the US it gets an awful lot of scrutiny from the Coast Guard. You would be surprised how much they know about what is on container ships sailing around the world.

        April 9, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
      • Jon651

        Radiation detectors and other scanners are located where? After the containter has been offloaded and the containers are driven through them. A nuclear warhead doesn't have to leave the ship to do damage. If the ship could dock at Charters Island containter port in Norfolk the container would never have to make it to an xray machine before rendering our largest naval base on the east coast untenable.

        I'm no computer hacker but I understand the N. Koreans are pretty heavy into it, so I don't think that altering an electronic shipping manifest before the container is even loaded would be all that hard.

        As for slipping a contraband container into the supply chain, there's a decent report on called "Report on Container Transport Security Across Modes" that would be very enlightening to you. The executive summary conveniently doesn't mention container scanning prior to the ship making port (probably because it's not practical with any degree of specificity) and I feel it should have addressed the issue of an enemy nation-state with just as much voracity as that of a terrorist organization if anything just for the resources a national government could bring to bear to penetrate an open commercial transport system that "independent" terrorists could not. Just ask the DEA how many multi-ton shipments of illegal narcotics are transported into this country via otherwise "legal" means that we DON'T catch, and you have to realize that a nuke would be no different.

        Yes we do try very hard, and I'm sure the authorities catch things many times that we never learn about. Missiles are not what the N. Koreans are going to use as a prime attack vehicle against us if it comes to a shootin' war. It's time to think outside the box (launcher) and realize that it only takes one.

        April 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
      • kkrogman

        I think Jon651 meant that you can just pop the warhead into a shipping container and detonate it. No launch necessary.

        April 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • mccoyet

      I am really worried about current situations aroud my country. If NK eventually launches it's misile soon or later, what will happen to us?

      April 9, 2012 at 1:46 am | Reply
    • joderito

      There are countries other than the US who need to be deeply concerned about their national security, too.

      April 9, 2012 at 7:05 am | Reply
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  22. The Korean Guy

    I'm seriously hoping this isn't another NK attempt to kill people......
    Which is very likely to happen. If it is, I wonder where it might go to.........

    April 8, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  23. mark

    its about time the neighbors of North Korea grow some balls....stop waiting for USA to do your dirty work

    April 8, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply
    • umm

      What are you talkin about? Japan growing balls it is under U.S. protection due to long ago.
      Japan's rearmament is prohibited by Article 9 of the Japanese constitution which states: "The Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes", and also, "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained." Now if North Korea threatens Japan.. Well Japan will grow it's Military power and everyone knows in history Japan is not a weak country. You need to study History more and know what you are talking about.

      April 8, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Reply
      • Cheese Wonton

        Better check your facts there my friend. Japan has the second most powerful navy in Asia and one of the largest and best equipped air forces too. They have combat ships equipped to engage and destroy ballistic missiles using the Aegis combat system, AN/SPY-1D radars and Standard SM-3 missiles identical to those on US Navy destroyers and cruisers.
        You might also want to have a look at the new Hyuga class "helicopter destroyers" which are small aircraft carriers in all but name, or their upcoming follow on, the so-called "22DDH", an even larger class of "helicopter destroyer". Both have full length flight decks, full length hangar decks beneath the flight deck, two elevators and a superstructure on the starboard side of the ship allowing fixed wing aircraft like the AV-8B or F-35B to operate from them (I'm implying USMC aircraft operating from a Japanese flight deck just as they now operate from Royal Navy flight decks, the Brits having decommissioned all of their own Harriers last year).

        April 9, 2012 at 12:14 am |
      • TheLandOfTheFree2

        Im sure the US would just be furious with japan if they grew a pair and put NK in the dirt... not

        April 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Army MP

      Unless I'm completely mistaken, we pledged troop support to one of North Koreas neighbors back in the mid 1950's. The Korean Peninsula is not a theatre we can just say "We don't feel like it anymore. You handle it." How would we look if we just picked up and left when our allied nation has absolutely no desire for us to do so. When we enter into an agreement like that it is up to us to keep that agreement until they say "Ok we got it now," or some variation of that.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  24. Jacknyd

    Give North Korea food under ANY circumstances should be OUT of the question. How many times have they lied to get food and then stick it to the USA.. ENOUGH, We have people in our country who could use that very food.

    April 8, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Reply
    • Cheese Wonton

      Jack, what have you been mixing with your tea there buddy? The food aid was cancelled when North Korea announced this satellite launch. It's already done.

      April 9, 2012 at 12:15 am | Reply
  25. Roy

    Hell I'll lay odds the damned thing blows up right there on the launch pad..

    April 8, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Reply
  26. Catharsis

    China feigns being upset with North Korea – what the Chinese want is to see just what ballistic missle defense technology the West and Japan has – especially the sea-based X-band radar

    it a game and the Chinese are orchestrating their North Korean proxy state

    April 8, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Reply
  27. Larry

    Why can NO ONE see that it's simply a game between North Korea and Iran. I can hear the phone calls now: "OK, Mahmoud, you threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz." "OK, Kim, that freaked 'em out. Now you shoot off a rocket. OK, Mahmoud, that's got oil prices in a climb – send us some more food."

    If ANYONE doesn't think that North Korea, Iran, and possible Hugo Chavez aren't all buddies to piss off the rest of the world, you're sadly mistaken.

    April 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Reply
  28. Sid Higgins

    What is being tested here isn't the "rocket". Rockets can be tested on the ground. What is being tested here is guidance systems. That's why everyone is in a uproar. Basically what is about to happen is that the North Koreans are about to launch a rocket... with hopes of where they want it to go... but they don't really know WHERE it's ACTUALLY going to go. And as always, are guidance systems for satallite launches? Sure. Are the systems being tested for a satalllite? Unlikely.

    April 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
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      April 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Reply
  29. svann

    Is any launch of a satellite forbidden or is it this specific type of launch vehicle? What type of rocket would be acceptable?

    April 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
    • lejaune

      It's not the type of rockets but the type of nation. For NKorea, even fireworks is forbidden. That seems to be the consensus.

      April 8, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Reply
  30. OS

    China and Russia can cry me a river. I hope their constant UN vetos land a nuke in their own back yard. Karma bitches.

    April 8, 2012 at 11:59 am | Reply
    • Kerry

      I wouldn't wish even our worst enemies a nuclear weapon in their own back yard. OS, you are a pathetic imbecile!

      April 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • OS

        You are a pathetic moron if you cannot distinguish hyperbole from a true position. No one (sane) wants to see nukes used, anywhere. But given that both countries have worked diligently to counter our attempts to prevent North Korea and Iran from becoming nuclear states, then they can certainly bear responsibility if that is what ends up happening. I have no tolerance for their belly-aching when time-after-time they have prevented actions that could have worked to limit nuclear proliferation without the use of arms. Every vote in the U.N. seems to come down to "if the U.S. wants it, then we are against it". Now we are supposed to be concerned about them? Thing is, we will vote with them if they put something productive forward at the U.N. We wouldn't knee-jerk vote against it because it came from someone who's ideology is different then our own. (That behavior seems thus far to be limited to the House and Senate).

        April 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
      • Catharsis

        I would certainly wish nukes in their backyards

        April 8, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
      • magnus

        Kerry just got owned!

        April 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
      • RoKCoMeN

        OS, certainly you must be joking there. if anything is not right in what you said, its about the UN. the US has too big of an influence over the UN to say that the UN is going against the US.

        but about the rest that you said...agreed.

        April 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Kerry

      Your response is name calling, but your understanding of the issue is minimal to say the least. You can't change how North Korea is going to act. That will only come when the people of that nation have had enough of the Kim Dynasty and have the military behind them to overthrow the government. That isn't going to happen in your lifetime or mine. But wishing Russia and China to be nuked is pure stupidity on your part. I guess you don't know what radiation poisoning does to victims of nuclear weapon disasters. Or you are a military type that only looks at the numbers and doesn't consider that one of those numbers could be YOU.

      April 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
      • Jeff

        why are you concerned with him calling you a moron after you called him an imbecile?

        April 8, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  31. Gary

    I think the South Koreans need another 50 years of training so that they can protect their own borders. Come on already, enough is enough. Most of N. Korea is in poverty, if S. Korea isn't ready to stand alone by now it never will be.

    April 8, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
    • Bryan

      They can stand alone they have a far superior military then the North Koreans. We stay there to show solidarity and to keep our commitments. Also the close proximity of Seoul (the capital) to the border put the capital in direct firing range of basic artillery. So complete destruction of the capital is virtually assured in an all out war.

      April 8, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Reply
      • Cheese Wonton

        No, we're there in case the Chinese intervene. South Korea could roll over North Korea but when the Chinese enter the fray, and they absolutely would, the South would be defeated easily without US and probably Japanese support.

        April 9, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • Jeff

      ....and the war has not ended.

      April 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm | Reply
  32. brian

    the solution is simple, send el presidente a super big jar of homemade kimchi with our nuclear weapon inside. He will have the best birthday ever. Kaboom

    April 8, 2012 at 7:59 am | Reply
    • ZerkyWerky

      That's got to be the most infantile thing I've ever read in a news post.

      April 8, 2012 at 11:19 am | Reply
      • Bryan

        Than you haven't been reading all that many news posts! =P

        April 8, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Jeff

      I dont think you need the nuclear weapon. The kimchi itself will probably do the trick. Oh, wait...

      April 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  33. Tortfeasor

    If I had neighbors like that, I'd be mad too.

    April 8, 2012 at 6:44 am | Reply
  34. Calvin Hobbes

    Since China wants North Korea around but not like South Korea, North Korea's neighbor's should help North Koreans to bribe their way into China. Distribute free maps and pictures of the Chinese and Korean borders. Distribute magazines of pictures of how good life is in China. That kind of thing. China will be thrilled by the additional illegal North Korean inrush coming over it's border. If it gets too bad, China may be more wiling to hand North Korea the stick and back international sanctions.

    April 7, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Reply
    • Cheese Wonton

      Amazing. Are you acquainted with the huge difficulties missionaries and others have just getting into North Korea to help bring people out? There is no simple easy way to distribute any sort of literature in that country. It is a very tightly controlled police state.

      April 8, 2012 at 12:55 am | Reply
    • lejaune

      China needs N.K. as a pit bull. There are 30,000 US troops in SKorea. China does not think they will just go back home if NK falls? They will move north and that's why China is doing everything to support N.Korea's existence as a buffer zone, even though it behaves badly. A bad dog is still better than no dog even if it sh1ts on carpet sometimes.

      April 8, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
      • Mike Litoris

        Niiiice !!!

        April 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  35. sam

    Let them try do do something about it..........BIG BIG BIG BIG MISTAKE..........

    April 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm | Reply
    • tufguy

      we can't let them do whatever they prefer. teach them a lesson is about the time.

      April 8, 2012 at 12:58 am | Reply
  36. ValSore

    Secretly capture space debries near the space station and set them on a trajectory straight to that parked missile. North Koreans can only blame Providence for that!

    April 7, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • gookslayer


      April 7, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Reply
      • hawaiiduude

        ugly racial slurs are childish and inappropriate to all asians and humans.

        April 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  37. ValSore

    Cancel the American Food Aid, damit. Are we rewarding them now for such an irresponsible behavior?

    April 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
    • Joe M.

      Its already been cancelled, but Kim Jong Un will be well-fed even if he has to get Chinese take-out.

      April 7, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • Zebula

      Why is North Korea even still on the map?

      April 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
      • hawaiiduude

        israel has already wiped palestine off the map so maybe they should do the same to n korea?

        April 7, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
      • Ituri

        Because the PEOPLE of NK are innocent, thats why. Or do you condone the ki ll ing of millions of people who's only crime is thier government controls their lives under a vicious, starving rule?

        April 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
      • Chris

        Because then south korea would rule the peninsula causing U.S influence to be even stronger in asia.

        April 7, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
      • RoKCoMeN

        Chris....if the two Korea's became into 1...i am quite sure that Korea would most likely act more independent. i mean, they would prob still allow US troops in their soil and still be allies but they would be more controlling over themselves than now. simply because once the main threat of South Korea has been neutralized, the only worry would be China. but China would be a personal matter with the US. idk man...i just doubt that Korea would still allow that much US influence in the area once N.K. is gone...

        April 12, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Rob

      Yea and the thing is , it's not even helping people it's giving their military a longer life span

      April 8, 2012 at 5:57 am | Reply
      • glennrobertg

        Got shot at by the Chinese in Korea in 1953. They are good soldiers and were fighting for their country just like I was. The Chinese do not want us on the Yalu river for good reason. They still remember the two hundred years they suffered under the domination of European countries and the US. Read the book "The Cruelest Winter" about their attack when we were approching the Yalu river. A real horror story for us.

        April 8, 2012 at 10:04 am |
  38. SatelliteSteve

    Where is all the high tech people? We can self destruct just about any rocket via ground telemetry. Am I the only one that knows we can do the same with NK? Oh and where is that Boeing 747 with a nose laser lately?
    Meanwhile Obama drew theline no other president hasn't. He knows the game of food and fuel doesn't work any better than giving a football to Lucy and Charlie Brown trusting her not pull it away at the last minute. The world IS changing as I see it. Jam it and melt it in air. Screw NK.

    April 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Reply
    • Joe M.

      High energy lasers are now being mounted are US Navy destroyers and they will get their chance to be tested in the real world.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
      • sam

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's funny.............

        April 7, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • Joe M.

        If you take a ride on that North Korean missile you just might get your giblets vaporized.

        April 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Engineer

      The Airborne Laser (ABL) project that you mentioned has been cancelled even though it had successfully shot down boosters in the two tests that were run.

      April 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Ground-based and sea-borne high energy lasers are still in play.

        April 8, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Ship born high energy lasers aren't going anywhere until there are ships in our navy with distributed electrical systems and enough generating capacity to support such weapons. The ships we have now cannot, and the class of ship that was supposed to be able to support things like high energy lasers and electromagnetic rail guns, the Zumwalt class, was cancelled after two ships because the radar systems have not been worked out (the volume search radar system had to be cancelled for technical reasons and it's replacement is still in development) and a bunch of other problems the Navy has not fully overcome. There was no reason to build all the ships planned when the systems were not ready , it would be a class of ships with no combat capability.
        The fanbois out there seem to think all this stuff is easy. It isn't. People in the Navy are pushing the limits of our knowledge of material science.

        April 9, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • Cheese Wonton

      Well, lets see. One of those airborn lasers blew up in flight. The other could never be made to work despite a decade of trying. The laser is too short ranged. Such an aircraft would have to fly well inside enemy territory to come within lethal range of an enemy ballistic missile. That is not possible to do. To obtain sufficient range would require a laser twenty times the size of the test bed and there isn't an aircraft large enough for this.

      April 8, 2012 at 12:59 am | Reply
    • Cheese Wonton

      Your idea of controlling enemy missiles is nonsense. Guidance sections do not receive input from telemetry. Telemetry is simply a means for people on the ground to track a missile's flight and record various engine, control system and flight parameters for subsequent analysis. There is no communication between telemetry and the missile guidance that allows control of the flight direction from the ground. The only input is for command destruct.

      April 8, 2012 at 1:04 am | Reply
  39. Beavis

    Fire! Fire! Fire! Explosions!!! YEEAHHhhhHHHHHHHH

    April 7, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Reply
  40. Bnode

    Secretly take control of the missile and crash it into an unpopulated area of China.
    Then see how long China continues to support North Korea.

    April 7, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Joe M.

      A ballistic missile is not remote controlled.

      April 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
  41. stateschool

    I don't envy China its neighbors. Here's to Mexico and Canada, our two other biggest trading partners. We don't always get along perfectly, but thank you for not being crazy people with nukes.

    April 7, 2012 at 10:20 am | Reply
    • physnchips

      Agreed. I feel sorry for nations that have to deal with North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran on a daily basis.

      April 7, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
    • hawaiiduude

      the usa is crazy people with nikes. Just like israelis. Crazy joos.

      April 7, 2012 at 6:22 pm | Reply
      • hawaiiduude


        April 7, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
      • dt

        We have New Balance too.

        April 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
      • Alex

        I'm more of an Adidas guy personally.

        April 8, 2012 at 3:15 am |
      • Mike Litoris

        Maybe the Joos and the Slopes should go at it???

        April 9, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  42. Richard

    Whoever is in range first should shoot it down – and, not apologize for it, either.

    April 7, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
    • FactChecker

      These things are very hard to shoot down. It would be very interesting to try, but I'm not optomistic.

      April 7, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
      • Joe M.

        You don't appear to be aware of current weapons capabilities. There are a number of weapons systems that would take down a North Korean missile. Even the Philippines has vowed to shoot down any North Korean missile that comes over its territory. The Philippines have benefitted from US weapons systems embedded in their forces and the US military has expressed a will to further bolster the weapons technology of the Philippine Navy.

        April 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • ValSore

        Good ideas. But so far these capabilities have not been tried and tested in the Asian theater of engagement.

        April 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Cheese Wonton

      There have been a great many successful Standard SM-3 intercept shots off Hawaii from USN and Japan Maritime Self Defense Force warships over the years, and the Japanese are qualified to use it now.

      April 8, 2012 at 1:07 am | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines are now among the nations saying they will shoot down a North Korean missile if it comes within range of their weapons.

        April 8, 2012 at 9:16 am |
      • Raymond

        Yeah, we`ve got laser guided slingshot and heat seeking blowpipe now in my country, the Philippines. We can easily blow that up!

        April 9, 2012 at 3:46 am |
    • Rex

      I liked my blue suede Pumas.

      April 8, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  43. thi23k

    Sometimes, I wonder if the US should just back off- let them do what they want. China Russia Japan are the ones that should be concerned. Let the tension grow between them, that's the pressue that matter to NK – not what we the US says, they couldn't care less. However I agree, we should be militarily prepared to shoot the missles down, good training, target practice for our Armed Forces.

    April 7, 2012 at 7:56 am | Reply
    • ValSore

      There are American factories built by American capital in China, Philippines, and Japan, not to mention there are many more national businesses in the region that supply components to factories all over US mainland. One way or another, US interests exists in Asian countries and US cannot just stand by.

      April 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • Dan, TX

        So, we have to protect with our military? Something seems wrong there. I realize China is both a partner and a competitor, but you can't seriously suggest we should use our military assets to protect Chinese terriotory?

        April 7, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • sam

      CHina will just send a few Million Special forces to the SOUTH.....And That takes care of THAT

      April 7, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Oh, good! Now the US military can help China with that over-population problem.

        April 7, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
      • Joe M.

        In the 1950s China lost over a million soldiers lives in Korea in miserable cold conditions. Is it really worth another million Chinese lives for the Beijing Communist extremists to allow insane North Korean dictators to starve, torture and imprison the vast mass of North Korean people who only want to live in peace in this life in this world???

        April 7, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Cassandra

      The US has defense treaties with both China and South Korea – not to mention that there are 30k US troops stationed in South Korea.ti

      Also, the north cares a great deal about what the US thinks. Getting the US to deal with them nation to nation was a demand they had for many years.

      April 7, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Reply
  44. AGrey

    Honestly it's really their fault for allowing it to happen. China should have overthrown North Korea decades ago when they started to veer from mainstream communist ideology to this Juchi idea thing.

    April 7, 2012 at 3:52 am | Reply
  45. silentcount

    This cruel dictatorship has gone on long enough. Isn't there a way to help the Korean people get rid of their evil leaders?

    April 7, 2012 at 12:10 am | Reply
    • Joe M.

      If North Korea becomes cocky enough and thinks the USA is weak, they may be tempted to attack. Once they cross over the DMZ, then the kid gloves come off. A-10s will have free reign. Cruise missiles will be unleashed. Cluster bombs will shred goose-stepping North Korean robots. North Korean tanks will be turned into rusting piles of scrap metal. MLRS will pound troop concentrations. B-52s will carpet-bomb assembly areas. And when the dust and smoke settles, masses of civilian North Koreans will rush south. The north will be populated only by fanatics who no longer have slaves.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:20 am | Reply
      • moe

        And what do you think China will be doing while all this is going on (not going to happen) ? China will call in it's markers of IOU's from the US and we won't have the ability (money) to drive a moped around a BB, much less unleash the dogs of war. Unless we take out another loan to wage war from China. You DOLT!

        April 7, 2012 at 2:53 am |
      • stateschool

        Do your parents know you're using their computer?

        April 7, 2012 at 10:04 am |
      • Joe M.

        The vast majority of creditors holding US debt are American citizens. The power of China's finacial influence on the USA is vastly overstated and usually overstated by Chinese trolls.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
      • Joe M.

        I'm probably old enough to be your parent. And my professional knowledge accumulated over decades makes my projected scenario the most likely outcome.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Joe. Nobody carpet bombs any more. That went out in the 1970's. We have precision guided munitions, one bomb per target. One airplane with four JDAM's takes out four separate targets. One F-15 can do more damage than the whole 8th Air Force in WWII in a single raid because guided bombs seldom miss their target while in WWII it took 700 bombers loaded with bombs to take out one target.
        In a war over Korea, B-52's will be grounded, unable to operate in the sorts of air defenses China and North Korea will put up. Buffs require a "permissive" environment, meaning completely uncontested airspace. They are defenseless against modern air defenses, and this was becoming true in the late 1960's. About all a Buff could do is stand off several hundred miles launcing JASSM's, but even that is tough if China decides to defend North Korea's air space, or if you try to hit targets in Chine any distance inland from their coast. To get into China you need stealth and speed, and lot of anti-radiation missiles to take down their radars. It will be bloody for us, and everyone who knows, knows this.

        April 8, 2012 at 1:26 am |
      • Joe M.

        Cheese Wanton,
        B-52s carpet-bombed Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Jet fighter aircraft will establish air superiority over Korea and escort B-52s to the target drop zone. Job done.

        April 8, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • Joe M.

        Cheese Wonton,
        When the US and South Korea recently conducted joint military exercises including air operations, the North Koreans conducted their own air maneuvers over North Korea. But because of the fact that North Korean air crews get very little air flight time on a recurring basis, a number of North Korean aircraft were flown into the ground (crashed) due to lack of experience. Imagine the losses if these North Korean air crews had been engaged in actual air combat. The Raptor will sweep the skies clean of North Korean aircraft.

        April 8, 2012 at 9:31 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Joe, we'll be fighting the PLAAF, and they are very numerous and very good. They won't be vanquished from the skies in a matter of weeks. Find out what they fly today and how many aircraft they have available. Find out what their missile systems are now capable of. They are tougher than the Russians ever were in many ways.
        Tora Bora was ten years ago when we didn't have great numbers of precision weapons. We burned them up early in the war and were reduced to using unguided ordnance. Wwe also had complete control of the air. That would not be the case today in North Korea.
        You are out of touch with how modern warfare is conducted. One plane, four bombs, four targets, low observable aircraft or low level ingress and egress. If the site is heavily defended you use stand off weapons like JSOW or JASSM. Toss bombing cannot get you close enough to your target today with modern air defenses. Flying over the target is suicide. This would not be anything like Afghanistan. We haven't fought a peer military since the Korean War, though the North Vietnamese were close and look at the carnage they inflicted on B-52's. In a Korean War we'de be butting heads with the second best air force in the world right now, the PLAAF. It would be bloody, we will suffer heavy losses, maybe even whole cities.
        Btw, the rule of thumb in ordnance is the blast radius of the bomb needs to equal it's CEP. Unguided bombs dropped from high level have a CEP of hundreds of meters while the blast radius is measured in tens of meters. If you study the post WWII Strategic Bombing Survey you understand the utter futility of carpet bombing. It is completely ineffective. Example, a 400 B-29 raid against a Japanese steel mill resulted in a single bomb striking the steel mill, and it did not reduce the mill's output one bit. Bombs dropped on German factories did damage to the building but seldom destroyed production equipment, allowing the Nazis to move the equipment to a new site and quickly resume production. Only precision bombing by heavy ordnance can guarantee a kill, and you can hit more targets in fewer sorties with precision weapons than possible with unguided bombs. A single aircraft carrier can now take out 2000 individual targets in one 24 hour period using precision bombs. You cannot do that with B-52's carpet bombing.

        April 9, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Cheese Wonton

      As long as the government in China is Communist, the Chinese will never permit a unified, democratic, western leaning Korea on it's border. They will shed whatever blood and treasure is necessary to prevent unification. If North Korea imploded or erupted in a rebellion that succeeded is toppling the Communist regime in Pyongyang, and the two Koreas reunified under a democratic government, that would be a fatal blow to the Chinese Communist Party, as it would expose as complete lies all the decades of propaganda used to justify the continuance of one party rule there.
      If you pay attention to PLA literature, they have plainly stated that should North Korea implode or suffer rebellion, the PLA would intervene inside North Korea to "restore stability". What that means is anyone's guess, but my guess is that it would look an awful lot like the Soviet invasion of Hungary or Czechoslovakia. If the US or South Korea intervened, it would be total war, probably including a nuclear exchange initiated by the Chinese.
      The best the US and South Korea can do is sit tight, be patient and very wary. China's Communist days are numbered. Their system of government will not permit China to grow past a certain point they are rapidly approaching, and when the growth stops in a few years, change will occur. Be patient, things will work out in the end.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:30 am | Reply
      • Angela Birch

        China is hardly Communist and neither is North Korea. North Korea is a Monarchy being supported by a military dictaorship. China has become actually closer to fascist than Communit. They have effectively blended Corporations and government in a symbiotic relationship The government meets the coporate needs and enforces laws to maximise the corporate interest. The companies enforce laws for the government. Neither of them are democratic and I agree with the diognosis. I expect that quite a few people will die in both countries but there is really no other option that is practical.

        April 7, 2012 at 4:12 am |
      • stateschool

        Both the Cold War and the Domino Theory are dead and gone. There is no way that either China or the United States would be willing to go to war over North Korea again. That said, North Korea seems to be continuing its tradition of batpoop crazy leaders. Add nukes to the mix, and you can see why everyone's mad at them.

        April 7, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • Phillygoesforbroke

        One word: Drones.

        Pakistan. Drones. North Korea. Drones. Peace comes in drones.

        And don't think Obama won't do it - he's shown himself to be a wartime consigliere much to the chagrin of the liberals.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
      • Joe M.

        They haven't told the Chinese Communist Party to stop holding meetings in Beijing yet and ordinary citizens of China find that they have to kow-tow to party officials as much as ever.

        April 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
      • Joe M.

        Nobody has told the Chinese Communist Party to stop holding meetings in Beijing yet and ordinary citizens of China find that they have to kow-tow to party officials as much as ever. Do you know of any Chinese leaders that are not members of the Communist Party?

        April 7, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Ms. Birch, they still call themselves the Chinese Communist Party and they rule China as a one party police state. We could argue all day whether they are "Communist" or not in the Marxist sense. The USSR probably wasn't a "Communist" state in the pure sense either. Regardless, as long as China is a one party state, with whatever economic system they us, and the party holding power is the CCP, there will be no unified Korea for the reasons I stated.

        Stateschoo, if you think China would not go to war to prevent the unification of Korea you are supremely naive. Read what the PLA has to say on the matter. They have very fourthrighly stated that should North Korea implode or erupt in rebellion, the PLA would intervene with troops inside North Korea. Read what the PLA actually tells the world.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:35 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Phillygoesforbroke, the drones we have in our inventory today would never survive in any kind of airspace protected by an integrated air defense system. Over North Korea or China our drones would all quickly be shot down. They were originally designed to operate behind friendly lines and provide a way to see behind enemy lines and rely this information to battle field commanders. They were not designed to attack enemy formations, they are too slow, fly too high and have no means of self defense. They work well for offensive missions in places like Afghanistan and Iraq because the enemy has no air defenses. The second you go up against a foe with modern anti-aircraft systems and a real air force, you have to withdraw the drones and rely on manned aircraft. This implies lost aircraft and captured and killed aircrew.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:40 am |
  46. keb carerra

    I would like to sell North Korean motorcycles here in the US but our dear leaders will not let go of the past . Please stop all the rhetorical spoon fed crap and leave North K alone , no more war games in there waters . Stop the phony testimonies from the camp 22 crowd . I think we have a few people tucked away in camp 22's here in the US , lets worry about them first .

    April 6, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Reply
    • Jack

      Agreed. After looking at Kim Jong Un, the last thing North Korea needs is food aid.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Reply
    • silentcount

      Kim Jung, is that you? Give us your location.

      April 7, 2012 at 12:13 am | Reply
    • tcat

      Huh? what was that? sorry I didn't hear because I was too busy uploading your coordinates into a cruise missile. Now if you could just hold tight it should be with you shortly.

      April 7, 2012 at 6:44 am | Reply
    • capnmike

      Sell AMERICAN-MADE products here, not imported trash, you traitor!

      April 7, 2012 at 9:34 am | Reply
      • Dan, TX

        It is a global economy. I can see living in America, making lots of money overseas and keeping it there, and then bringing just enough money back to the US to live a safe and rich life in the US while my "plantation and slaves" in other countries keep things going. That has always been the American way. I don't know why we just don't be explicit. Why would anyone start a manufacturing business in the US? Aren't we teaching our kids that they are all special. "I am important – not America".

        April 7, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Don't look at where the components of a modern Harley Davidson motorcycle come from. It, too, is, um, "globally sourced", ahem. American made my aching backside! And, yes, I own a couple of them.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:42 am |
      • cja

        They DO sell american make stuff in america. The problem is that people don't buy it. How much would yu be willing to pay for a shirt or a TV. Would you buys $2,400 smart phone?

        April 9, 2012 at 12:03 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        I shop carefully and buy American as much as I possibly can. You would be surprised I bet at how much is made right here, and no the prices are not excessive for the domestic product unless you are talking high end audio equipment or high end boots. But things like kitchen ware or coat hangars are competitive. Same thing for linen, towels and the like. Shop around and read the labels of what you buy. It's an education.

        April 9, 2012 at 12:44 am |
  47. Schnauzertdad

    Maybe the US should do a nuclear test of it's own...on North Korean soil.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Reply
  48. Rruusseell

    Please stop all this talk of taking out NK ... I'm 3 years into my 10 year Hyandi warranty and don't want it jeopardized.

    April 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Reply
    • tcat

      All these people claiming to be North Koreans are really north Koreans but they work for the secret police and post comments favorable to the dictatorship on various news sites and blogs. China and a few other totalitarian governments also employ this tactic.

      April 7, 2012 at 6:47 am | Reply
      • Richard

        And, you are privileged to know this how?

        April 7, 2012 at 9:22 am |
      • Joe M.

        This is my basic assumption when I exchange ideas with the Korean and Chinese trolls on this forum.

        April 7, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • bob

      Not to be a snot, but Hydani is South Korean, anlong with Samsong, Honda, and Kia. The North Koreans dont trade with us. So, dont worry, Hydani will be safe.

      April 8, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
      • OS

        Um, not Honda my friend.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
      • CJ

        You were quite off target with Honda, but I have to ask ... what in the devil's name is a "Hydani"? You mean Hyundai?

        April 9, 2012 at 8:35 am |
  49. big blue 337

    dude,kill osama wheres the credit ,4 more years

    April 6, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Reply

      Are you really serious about your comment about "KILLING" our President... The CIA and FBI have benn notified of your very improper post and your REAL name and email address. Expect a knock on your door shortly TRAITOR!!!

      April 7, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
      • Verlastoi

        Sorry but I must say you read the name wrong. ( He said osama and probably you read it as "Obama" *you probably also noticed it few seconds after posting your reply, just wanted to make sure.*)

        April 8, 2012 at 3:16 am |
  50. Asturiano

    One cruise missile aimed at the launch pad ends all attempts to launch.

    April 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm | Reply
    • JD

      Yes, and then what? Any attack on North Korea, from the US or South Korea, would be met with an attack on Seoul and could spark a war. An attack on Seoul would result in the deaths of about a million people in the first day alone because Seoul is in range of North Korean missiles. Clearly, your plan is ridiculously idiotic.

      April 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Obviously, your plan is to APPEASE, APPEASE, APPEASE. Are you by any chance related the Neville Chamberlin?

        April 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
      • Marine5484

        Well japan already said they would shoot the thing out of the sky if they attempted to launch....we will just have to wait an see.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:15 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Seoul is a city of about 10 million within artillery range of North Korea. The North Koreans have thousands of guns buried in mountains aimed at Seoul. In any war, Seoul would quickly be laid to waste and many millions killed. That is the sobering reality that prevents the US and South Korea from using military force against the North willy nilly. That isn't appeasement. Do you honestly want to risk a million or more dead? Think through the ramifications.
        The status quo cannot last forever. China's communist government is doomed to eventual failure and when that happens North Korea dies on the vine. But until the Communist system collapses in China (corruption, lack of transparency and rigidity within their government will limit economic growth and lead to it's failure) the best course for us and the South Koreans is vigilance and patience.

        April 7, 2012 at 1:44 am |
      • TBone

        Get Real. All the arty in the world on NK side won't make a difference. Quit quoting concerns from decades past. Game changing tech will take care of arty. GPS guided missles and other goodies. Might even see the debute of things not yet seen before.

        April 7, 2012 at 8:25 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        TBone, I work in the defense industry. You are clueless. It's true that North Korea wouldn't last two weeks under a combined US and South Korean assault, but Seoul will be leveled in the process. When China intervenes, which they most certainly will, you face the prospect of an all out, unrestrained war between the US and China. China would not hold back, they would use everything they have including nuclear weapons. Start thinking like the Chinese, not like an American who thinks their stuff is always the best. Get your head into the Chinese mind and see how they view us. Until a few years ago they didn't think they could defeat us, but increasingly they see us as pushovers. They would ultimately lose, I think, but don't underetimate the damage China would do to us, right here at home too. We will bleed badly fighting them.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:46 am |
      • Joe M.

        Cheese Wonton,
        Its true that both Seoul and Pyongyang have been levelled in the past. I have seen archival footage of Pyongyang with only fragments of a wall left standing. South Korea has already relocated many of its government offices to another city far to the south of the DMZ. Cheese Wonton, you say you work in the defense industry. Is that the Beijing defense industry or the Pyongyang defense industry???

        April 8, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • Joe M.

      A cruise missile would show these neanderthals just how flimsy their weapon is against the superior technology of the west and the utter futility of trying to keep up with the west in weapons development. We should shred every missile they attempt to erect until they respond to reasonable negotiations on the future of their country. Food or shredded missiles??? What's your choice, North Korea?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm | Reply
      • Poon

        You're a fucking idiot.

        April 6, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
      • Joe M.

        You're a foul-mouthed know-nothing.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • pat carr

      Ah i see the usual assortment of chickenhawks have made it on here

      April 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply
    • Cheese Wonton

      If you attack the launch pad, you invite a war that would likely kill many millions of innocent people. If you shoot the missile down in flight, you not only do not invite a war, you cause the North to lose face, and if you understand the Asian mind, loss of face is almost worse than death. Shooting their missile down is the best course of action, and I actually think we are now confident of the capabilities of Standard SM-3 to actually try to shoot it down. Keep in mind we, the South Korean Navy and Japan Maritime Self Defense Force don't want to look foolish either and a missed shot would be a grave embarassment for our side.

      April 7, 2012 at 1:47 am | Reply
      • Joe M.

        North Korea has attacked South Korea twice killing over 50 people. North Korea is still technically in a state of war with the United Nations since only a cease fire exists since the end of the Korean War. North Korea's weapon technology has not progressed far since the end of the Korean War, but US weapons technology has advanced tremendously and if the Korean War were fought over again with current weapons, North Korea would be crushed. The weapons Nikita Khrushchev most feared were the B-52 and the A-10 Thunderbolt. In the Korean War, China lost over a million men. China is now highly dependent on foreign food suppliers in Australia, Canada and the USA. If China went to war, it would quickly run out of food and fuel, assuming no action against Chinese territory. The Pacific Ocean chokepoints to Chinese maritime commerce make it exceptionally vulnerable.

        April 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Joe, you have no clue about China. China's level of technology and the depth of their economy means we cannot count on a quick victory against them. They will engage us with everything they can make it very very difficult for our forces to operate in the Koreas. I know what we have and what they have, and Americans outside our military are terribly unaware of the rapid increases in China's technical prowess and the moderninity of their forces. The Chinese have not stood still either.

        April 8, 2012 at 12:51 am |
      • Joe M.

        Cheese Wonton,
        You speak as if Chinese future military goals have already been achieved. China has huge weaknesses in anti-submarine warfare and anti-aircraft defenses. China has one aircraft carrier that has never seen battle. South Korea also has one aircraft carrier. China is test flying more advanced fighters but does not have them in production yet. Nothing in the air can out-fly or out-fight the Raptor. You speak as if only China has nuclear weapons. Each and every cruise missile was originally designed to carry a nuclear warhead. But in the past they have only been used to carry conventional warheads. The US recently announced the development of a laser weapon small enough to be mounted in a fighter aircraft. There is no existing defense or counter-measure against this weapon. Because of the mis-management of the agricultural sector, China has experienced an advancing desert environment over what was once rich fertile farm land. Because of this China is not self-sufficient in food production and has to import food from Australia, Canada and recently the USA, among others, to meet its food needs. Beijing city, itself, is particularly vulnerable to shortages of food and fuel when road traffic becomes jammed. Imagine the havoc if one of those feeder roads was damaged. China is geographically surrounded by Pacific Ocean chokepoints that could easily be controlled to cut off Chinese shipping that brings in food and other raw materials. You haven't seen the big picture until now.

        April 8, 2012 at 10:08 am |
      • Cheese Wonton

        Joe, there are good reasons the F-22 program was cancelled and no F-22's have ever been used in combat. The PLAAF and PLAN have, in the last six or seven years, undergone a transformation in the quality of their equipment and the level of their technology. Outside their land based air defenses their navy has major weaknesses, yes, but we would have to come well inside China's land based air defenses and well within range of their land based air force to defend South Korea or Taiwan. When you do that, the Chinese can make life extremely difficult for us to operate. Their recent classes of combat ships are fully state of the art now (find out what a Type 052C destroyer or Type 054A frigate is), they have small LHD's under construction apparently (from some recent reading of the Chinese press which showed detailed models of them) and more aircraft carriers under construction. Their most recent anti ship missile designs are not well publicized, though if you know their Chinese designators you can find info on them, and they are better than the most recent Russian designs. The relative strength of the US and China is changing rapidly and you still cling to fantasies that they would be defeated easily. You need to pay attention. They are beatable, but the cost we will pay rises rapidly each year.

        April 9, 2012 at 12:55 am |
  51. GenericMan

    These guys are always up to something and we act like it's totally serious. Happy Easter everybody!

    April 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply

    just reading on.... No result yet.

    April 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Reply
  53. Aunt Jemima

    Perhaps a nice big stack of buttery flapjacks with a jug of syrup will help them both be more neighborly. If not...then I guess just kill each other like they do in the middle east.

    April 6, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      North Korea's missles, without starvation; are like the spring without the fall....
      There's only one thing worse in this universe, thats no Aunt Jemima at all!

      What if we filled daisycutters with syrup and hit their military bases? Might not be real effective, but it would be WAY funny to watch them try to clean up the mess...and hold off hungry, waffle waving crowds. (Covert waffle insertion? this fantasy just gets better and better)

      Aunt Jemima, I'll see you in my buttery All-American dreams!

      April 6, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Reply
      • Kimchi Jong Il

        WMD! Waffle of mass destruction!

        April 6, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
      • Aunt Jemima

        Yeah baby....butter me up and give me that sweet syrup!

        April 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  54. ShenzhenXPAT

    I only see a couple of solutions to deal with the North. One is to starve them out so the country collapses and revolts but this is a really hard thing to do and watch happen to a bunch of already unfortunate population. The other thing (and my favorite idea) is that the US and allies should focus on is sabotage in all forms including and starting with sabotaging the satellite launch.. Also assassination of the leaders would not be a NO NO as we are still at war with N. Korea and even if it were bending the rules a little well hell, we are really good at doing that I.E. war w/ Iraq & Saddam etc. Launching a satellite while the people are starving and the negotiated food supply being halted because of this just shows how effing ridicules N. Korea is. We should really help N. Korea's government with their own exit strategy. Easier said than done I know but how long until someone rains down a storm on these guys.

    April 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
    • RugDumplin

      Baada Booom! Next?

      April 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Reply
    • Army MP

      I really do agree with the first part of your statement, about it being hard and all. Not so much on the sabotage part though. Sabotage might have a solidifying effect on their convictions. Making them look more like victims of bullies rather than an illogical oligarchy with a nuclear detonator. Keep in mind that the innocent starving populous already believe the whole world is against them.

      April 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
      • ShenzhenXPAT

        Your probably right.. Any aggression on upon them would probably work against what we would like to accomplish. Any covert operations would also not be taken to lightly by the Chinese neither. Still, it's absurd that ANY country tolerates this bizarre and sick regime..

        April 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Army MP

      I agree with you whole-heartedly on it's absurdity.

      April 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  55. c s

    Republican Ron Paul is right about the US being the world cop. He says that the US should stop sticking our nose into the business of every other country in the world.

    North Korea wants a peace treaty that guarantees their existence. So give them one. Let the US, Japan, China and Russia get together with North and South Korea to sign a peace treaty and end the Korean War. Once the peace treaty is signed, then North Korea can start to open its society just like China did after President Nixon recognized them. In the treaty give a specific date that US forces must leave the Korean peninsula. This US withdrawal will satisfy Russia, China and North Korea that the US is leaving. The Cold War is over and the US should behave like it is over. How would the US react to Mexico signed a defense treaty with China that allows Chinese troops to be stationed along the US border?

    I realize that some warmongers are always looking for the next enemy and keep saying that China and Russia are still our enemies. All of this talk about bombing North Korea just raises distrust with North Korea. I realize the North Korea is a terrible dictatorship but nothing will change as long as American politicians keep stoking the fires of conflict with war talk. The US has been in a wartime economy since 1940, it is time to bring our troops home and get back to a peacetime economy. The only way for the US economy to heal is to allow peace to heal it.

    April 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • Elsie E Connelly

      Are you really that stupid? North Korea will never accept South Korea as a legitimate country. They would rather see all their people starve as to admit that they were wrong. WE ARE THE WORLD'S POLICEMAN, RON PAUL IS A MORON. AND SO ARE YOU.

      April 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Reply
      • Jason K

        Why is he a moron? We've proven that we are ill equipped both financially and intelligently to continue being the world's police force. If you want us to continue doing so, you pay for it with YOUR money and YOUR blood.

        April 6, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
      • Army MP

        Do YOU have any experience policing the world Elsie?

        April 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
      • Ace Ventura

        Actually you are stupid-Ron Paul is the only candidate that would make things right again in the US. I agree with CS completely! Our Foreign Policy is creating more enemies then allies. If things dont change I feel we (US) will see worst times.

        April 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
      • Joe M.

        I'm with you 100%, Elsie.

        April 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • jd

      You should lead the negotiations for a peace treaty with N Korea.
      If only our world leaders had your insight, what a world we would live it

      April 6, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Reply
    • jd

      P.S.... Ron who?

      April 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Reply
      • Ace Ventura

        Ron Paul-in case you needed to know his full name to look up his views/ideas...

        April 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
      • Joe M.

        Thats Ron "duck your head in the sand" Paul.

        April 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Jason K

      well said, however the leaders of the leaders of this world don't want peace. Through war, financial ruin, politics, and additional laws to strip away liberty their plans are brought to fruition. Those plans are to bankrupt the world into a one world economy where everyone is subserviant and must do whatever is told to them just to be able to buy and sell.

      This is why the media and politicians on every side marginalize Dr. No. He stands for everything that is honest, decent, intelligent, and in the interest of individuals. Its not enough to just kill him, they have to make all the people think he and his ideas are ludicrous.

      April 6, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Reply
      • Jason K

        See..just look at 'jd' and 'Elsie's comments. As they are onboard with the mainstream media they believe whatever they are told to believe and lack the ability for individual critical thinking. Nor do they cherish liberty, personal and property rights, or money that's actually worth something.

        April 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
      • Bob

        They have drugs that could help with your paranoia. I'm not saying they WILL help, but they could.

        April 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Varsity

      Are you really suggesting that this is the fault of the US? South Korea wants those troops there and technically there is still a state of war between these two countries. There is no state of war with Mexico so your example is ludicrous.

      April 6, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Reply
  56. Pekpek

    North koreans are piss off because they are just getting some fortune cookies

    April 6, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
  57. Luis Paez

    We are NOT the world's cop. This is South Korea, Japan and the Philippines problem. Get our forces totally out of South Korea, Japan and Okinawa.

    April 6, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • Human

      If we did south Korea would invade quickly drawing us right back in...and why would we leave and let china have the upper hand in the region further threatening our way man...

      April 6, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Reply
  58. total non sense

    SO even the other bad guys are agains the launch.... why not si mply DESTROY the missile BEFORE IT launch..... PROBLEM SOLVED.

    Kill the prsident, destroy it;s army, flattent it;s military/nuclear installation, re-unite with SK....... that is the REAL AND ONLY SOLUTION.

    April 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
    • Human

      Killing presidents is a no, no, no...that is a game not to be played . Why are people tripping? China can destroy satellites from the ground and we can knock them out of the sky...this a wired story from a defense perspective..

      April 6, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
      • Hasai

        Not really; you have to realize the missile technology required to deliver a payload to orbit is the precise same technology required to deliver a nuclear warhead to its target.

        Does that make things a little more transparent?

        April 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Army MP

      So who's going to do all this? You? Are you ready for back to back 15 month deployments? What would you miss in 30 straight months? The bottom line is North Korean people are dying and they will continue to die no matter what we do. If we pull the trigger and go with military intervention innocent civilians WILL die. Our military will be the bad guys again.(Look up collateral damage I also have first hand experience.) If we give food to them innocent people WILL die. Nothing really changes. (Their own is already killing them) If we isolate them from food and other resources innocent civilians WILL die. Our govenrment becomes the bad guy because they did nothing. (Reference this article's comment section) There is not a win- win scenario with North Korea.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Reply
    • growingfears

      It scares me that people still believe China and Russia are the bad guys.

      April 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Reply
  59. Rebekah

    Technically, we are still at war with NK.

    April 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm | Reply
  60. montello

    Put a couple of carriers offshore, then take out the missile on the ground with a single well-aimed cruise missile. Let the carriers hang around until the ruckus dies down. Go home. Repeat as needed.

    April 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Reply
    • LH20

      Then, literally, thousands of NK troops swarm accross the border and leave S Korea devistated. We could certainly "win" a war but the cost would be leaving S Korea looking like it did in the 50's.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • ron

        But this endless madness of repeating the same actions over, and over, would end. North Korea's economy and leadership simply would not survive in its present state. It would collapse under its own belligerance. As it stands, as they gain nuclear power, more powerful rockets, etc... they will only be more of a threat to the entire region. As for the damage to South Korea, imagine what will happen to South Korea, if North Korea is allowed to become even more powerful, and aggressive! After sinking the South's boat, and shelling their territory, what happened? Nothing! Absolutely nothing!
        Neville Chamberlain learned the hard way, what appeasement earns. Do you have any idea what the current state of appeasement costs every year it continues? Not just to South Korea ,China, Russia, Japan, several other nations, & yes, even as far as the US. Plus, think of the NORTH Korean people. Facing starvation, year after year, after year, as their leaders (especially the current one) sit FAT and happy, spending money on themselves and a bloated military. No wonder they envy South Korea whose economy is a modern miracle in comparison. Frankly, their neighbors would be doing the NK people a favor. You only need read a few of the stories coming from people that have bravely escaped from the north, to get the idea. No! It is time to say, enough! We are done here!

        April 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
      • Joe M.

        Its not going to be your grandfather's Korean War again. Modern weapons will stop North Korean columns dead in their tracks.

        April 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • chris

      If you're gonna do carriers make sure you have one or two arbiters to cloak them, an observer, and scouts for air-to-air. A few corsairs couldn't hurt. Or...just go all zerg on them and flood them with upgraded zerglings!

      April 6, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • Army MP


        April 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
      • Francis


        April 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Joe M.

      You read my mind.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Reply
    • cooltemp

      Cruise missiles can not shoot down a ballistic missile. Only an anti- ballistic missile (ABM) can. Cruise missile is a sub-sonic offensive weapon which flies on a non-ballistic flight path.

      April 8, 2012 at 10:02 am | Reply
  61. ron

    The problem is, NO ONE calls their bluff. Despite the fact that no one wants yet another war, despite the sensitive area they occupy, North Korea badly needs to be attacked. They have followed this same path over, and over, and over. They have a new leader, and are following the same path. Is the world to endure this behavior for anothe 60 years? To be blunt, it is long past time to beat the living snot out of them. Even the Chinese and Russian are sick to death of enduring their antics. They might fume about it, but China would probably enjoy better relations with a untied South Korea, than they do with an unstable North Korea that is keeping the entire Southeast Asia at a hair trigger, decade upon decade. Even though China badly wants that access to the sea, is it really worth the risk to the entire region, to continue to back them? In this case, because of their continued behavior, the bitter pill would be better than the North Korean disease.

    April 6, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Reply
  62. rightospeak

    More propaganda about North Korea which should have been united with South Korea decades ago. If China did not wish for North Korea to launch it would not happen-what a spin in the article.
    Trying to print truth against the propaganda machine that gets rich from warmongering is like peeing in ones pants. It may give one a warm feeling ,but few seem to notice-they are too brainwashed. It is particularly frustrating when you see your country on the course of self-destruction.

    April 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
  63. Sal

    We should just starve them out, don't send them any oil or food! Besides let that god damn china feed the bas...ds! Why the hades should we be the ones to feed them? Negotiating with that country will never work, so let's stop trying. Starve them out and the hell with the bastards! 

    April 6, 2012 at 11:46 am | Reply
    • Human

      The people of north Korea should not pay with starvation because their leadership senseless ruling ideologies but unfortunately, average everyday people shoulder the burden of decisions not made by them but for them.. You only stare the people out not the ruling elite and that is wrong on anybody's's a crime against humanity...

      April 6, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
    • andrew lambdin

      Um,they are already starving

      April 6, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Kim Jong Il had to reduce the land area of Pyongyang because the cost in food was too high. The government elites live in Pyongyang and have special privileges for travel around North Korea and subsidized food costs. Kim Jong Un will have to further reduce the area of Pyongyang and reduce food allotments to the elites, thus reducing the number of people whose loyalty is bought with food allotments. When the food to the elites goes down the Dear Leader will be in a critical position of lost support and the dictatorship may collapse. Meanwhile, China is not self sufficient in agriculture due to the advancing desert environment in China compounded by Communist Party mismanagement of agriculture and China has been buying more and more of its food from Australia, Canada and now the USA.

        April 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • chickenhuntin

      Send all the rednecks to North Korea. They talk such a big game, I bet they can solve all the problems there with their shotguns and bibles.
      Calling the civilians in North Korea bastards, and saying things like, "starve them out" makes me ashamed to have them here in my country.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        When are you leaving for North Korea???

        April 7, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  64. OregonTom

    Cut off all aid. Eventually China will throw NK under the bus 🙂

    April 6, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
  65. RMc

    Clearly someone is gonna have to get nuked before the US and China realize that they rise and fall as one in terms of global security. Reaction is no action in terms of world events. Pretty hard to clean up that mess after its happened. Not lookin good for Israel. Only after Ah-mad-in-jihad presses the button will the world rush to your aid.

    April 6, 2012 at 11:09 am | Reply
    • hipih8er

      So what are you going to tell the western united staes and japan, hawaii and several other countries when fallout begins to circle the globe and makes the western hemesphere of earth uninhabitable? Ask Bikini Atoll people what they are still dealing with from Nuke testing in the 50's.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
      • Joe M.

        You vastly overstated the effect of nuclear fallout. Atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons went on for many years in the southwest desert in the USA and in Russia until both nations decided to sign a test ban treaty to remove nuclear material from the global atmosphere. It is the Chinese military and its supporters in the captive Chinese media that speak easily of starting a nuclear war. The USA will not start a nuclear war, but it will certainly end a nuclear war in a way that China would not like.

        April 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  66. azlib

    Just send them the food... (a) it will help starving people (b) stop rocket launching (testing of their rockets) (c) keeps the North clam.... the very LAST thing that Soul wants is for the North to fail. Can you imagine 25,000,000 people entering their welfare lines? Germany buckled at the knees with the east/west merger and they were one of the strongest economies on the planet... S.Korea cannot support an invasion of poor and and needy... Feed them and trade for more commuication between families.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Joe

      In other words, appeasment. Didn't work on Hitler – won't work on the Pilsbury Doughboy. Turn in your passport and get out of America, you wus.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
      • hoot

        azlib is correct. The ROK economy cannot support the inclusion of the PRK. The PRK is like a 5-yr old who acts up – all they want is attention. If you stop sending aid to the PRK, the country will eventually starve (more than it currently is). When a nation gets into this situation, it starts to panic – panic leads to unpredictable actions. Eventually it will believe their best option is to attack, which is the worst scenario. Additionally, a war with the PRK will lead to unification of the peninsula – an outcome not desired by either China or Japan.

        April 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
      • scott

        Spoken like someone who has never heard a shot, let alone been shot at.

        April 6, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
      • airics2


        April 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Sure

      If you think you have an educated answer, first spell things in the correct form. Seoul not Soul, we are talking about the city, not something that is you in the afterlife.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:26 am | Reply
  67. Jose Antonio

    If there is actions to be taken against NK, it should be coming from countries like S. Korean, Japan, and Taiwan. So far, the NK has been firing their weapons, shooting their missiles before, and nothing has been done militarily. The U.S. responded with more sanctions, more sanctions, etc. I don't think the current U.S. administrations has any balls to take military actions against NK.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:45 am | Reply
    • Moudo

      All Obama wants is to socialize America, Put us so far in debt that our assets sell for pennies on the dollar. Example: two Vietnamese purchase town for $900,000.00. Sell America to the lowest bidder. Class warfare, take from the productive workers and give to bums. Your government at work. Baby factory on welfare, if you can feed them, don't have them.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
      • @not under obama

        Im a republican and people like you are the reason our party is so far behind. You f***s complain and complain and complain and complain. This is about North Korea, get to the right forum you F***

        April 6, 2012 at 11:39 am |
      • Human

        @notunderobama, I'm not a republican but finally I have read a post from a republican that sounds more common sense than the regurgitated fox news types..the tea naggers are killing your party one sip of tea at a time...

        April 6, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
      • Nick

        And what does any of that have to do with North Korea's nuclear weapons and missile plans?

        If you want to rubbish your President, go ahead... but at least stick to the subject at hand.

        April 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
      • Human

        @nick – agreed but let us have fun with our American troll tea baggin's almost as fun as whack a mole...

        April 6, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  68. pozin

    If I were SK I would approach China and pledge to de-militarize all of Korea if they let the North implode. China is worried about having the USA on its doorstep. I think if some assurances are given by SK & the USA then NK could go extinct safely.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • renjikuchiki1

      yeah, good luck with that

      April 6, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • Dan

      So you imagine that it's O.K. to let all those people just go ahead and starve to death ? Assuming that it's fine with you if that happens, please count me among those who do not agree with you.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
  69. Mark

    It's all in China's hands, if China asks them to not go forward with the launch, then the North Koreans won't.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
  70. tigresse

    How long does anyone think that the last Leninist state in the entire world can hold out? North Korea can't do much; this is just all posturing to rattle our nerves – and that's what NK is good at doing, ratting other countries' nerves. In my opinion, the real problem here is China: they don't take a strong enough stand against North Korea's misdemeanors because they don't want 27 million refugees on their border if the regime falls, that's why they always recommend "diplomatic negotiations" which have solved absolutely nothing over the years. Nor do I advocate war as aggression – from any side – will just pull multiple countries into conflict – which is the last thing we want, another potentially global conflict. The only real solution, is to allow the regime to implode from within and then deal with the consequences. North Korea may have the money to launch a satellite rocket but they don't have the money to do much else. Eventually, they'll even tire out the Russians and the Chinese, who will be forced to take a stronger political stand against them. Unfortunately there are no easy or quick-fix solutions to this complex problem but time is on our side, not theirs. In the meantime, we need to remain vigilant, and no country more so than South Korea, where I live.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • renjikuchiki1

      first off, North Korea is not a marxist-leninist state, it hasn't been for a long time so you people need to stop labeling it as such. Second, don't condemn a nation that is launching a sattelite which is perfectly legal....

      April 6, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • POPEYE

      very well put. i agree with what it is that you are saying.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    • Joe M.

      The North Korean leaders are more like a crime family with a hostage population that they victimize and exploit for the purpose of living an elite life of relative ease among slaves.

      April 7, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Reply


    The North Korean launch is part of a joint United States and Democratic People's Republic of Korea freindship exercise to test the new airborne US laser.

    Results of test TBD.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:15 am | Reply
  72. KimJongIl

    Rest at ease, fear not: Hillary Clinton, 65% approval rating, best secretary of state ever, is handling it.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
  73. Michael

    Sigh. Posters like "BS" are so uninformed it's pathetic. North Korea is probably the world's greatest pariah, and with each of these actions they have fewer and fewer friends. At some point, probably pretty soon, first Russia and then ultimately even the Chinese will realize that there is greater liability than benefit in friendship with North Korea. But as for America being a "coward", as some have noted it's actually tougher to practice restraint. Look, if war breaks out it will be a VERY short one. There's enough weaponry on the DMZ to deal with the first several waves of advancing forces and armor, and you can bet some significant money that at the same time we nail their invading forces, we'll also be strking VERY hard at their command and control deep in the heart of the country. Russia and China will NOT support NK if NK is the aggressor, and once the head of the snake is cut off, the rest of it will die soon enough. Oh, and you don't think we know exactly where their leadership bunkers are? I'm sure we don't. 🙂

    April 6, 2012 at 9:11 am | Reply
  74. BS is an Idiot

    Cowards? By not going to war with a country that makes your country a coward? I'm pretty sure we are the only country in the world that stands up to regimes like this. The cowards are China who pay to have prisoners released, support the killing regimes because it may hurt their economic status, and hack counties around the world because they don't know how to innovate anymore. The United States? Yeah we send in Special Forces, we invent and we will actually attack when its necessary. Right now, its not... Try to educate yourself.

    April 6, 2012 at 8:37 am | Reply
    • not under obama

      obama will not risk anything that could derail his chance at re-election , when obama was caught asked for a favour from russia in front of the entire world in south korea , it was a clear signal the obama camp has set foreign affairs adrift and the north rolling out the missile while obama was in town said it all.

      if north korea had rolled out that ICBM while any other president was in town they would have had that missile shoved right back to the stone age.

      if we can see that obama is doing anything and everything to be elected so can the thugs of the world and they are having a hay day. if this continues this genie will be hard to put back in the bottle .

      April 6, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
      • medallon

        Come on be serious, you dont seem to read much. The north koreans launched a missile, taipodong 3, capable of reaching Hawaii during the Bush administration, what did Bush do? The same thing as Obama. It must be nice to talk about war when you are sitting in your mom's basement comfortable and knowing that it wont be you who has to suffer.
        The Korean issue is not as simple as starting a war and that is it. South Korea has one of the greatest economies in the world, what do you think would be the impact on the world economy if there was a war between the Koreas, where the US would get dragged in, possibly China. Please put your thinking cap back on. Thanks

        April 6, 2012 at 9:11 am |
      • not under obama

        TO MEDALLON ,


        guy your obama has failed and if you do not believe me than ask the arm pit of russia that obama leaned into to ask a favour from putin in the off the mic screw up in south korea.
        so tell us all how is the afghan thing working out !

        April 6, 2012 at 10:47 am |
      • medallon

        Wow, you really need to read dude. It happened on Bush's watch, that is it. Obama is not in Korea now, so what is your point? Are you just foaming at the mouth and seething because there is an african american in the white house?
        Reality is there is not much we can do unless we want to start a war, get a lot of people killed and destroy what is left of the world economy. If the N.Koreans start it, then we go in (and that is highly unlikely since they know they would loose, even China might invade them for starting a war), other wise, we just keep isolating them and hitting them with sanctions. The only unfortunate thing is that the only people loosing here is the North Korean masses, starving, held in isolation and mercilessly murdered in concentration camps just for thinking out loud or gathering blades of grass to eat to stave off hunger. I would rather go this route and let them implode, than start a war and have more of our hero soldiers die. Its unfortunate for the N. Koreans, but better for our men and women in uniform. Why fight with someone who is just destroying themselves, let them bring themselves down.

        April 6, 2012 at 11:18 am |
      • medallon

        Also Bush did visit S.Korea, when the N. Koreans where deploying their underground nuclear test, which blows your argument clear out of the water. Basically, regardless of politics, there is not much we can do besides start a war, which is not the way to go.

        April 6, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • @not under obama

        I sort of agree. I dont think Obama will act much before the election. Doesn't mean he wont after step up the pressure after the election, crappy politics, maybe? The thing people overlook and underrate about Obama is that he is pressuring other counties to take responsibility for their own regions problems. America can still be a super power and not have to baby sit the world. Some of the other larger countries that are already nuclear (China, Russia, Japan, UK, France, India, Israel) need to start doing some work outside of their walls and contribute something positive. America shouldn't need to bail the world out over and over again from crazy regimes. Every situation is different and needs to be handled in a unique way. Right now we are calling NK's bluff and making their neighbors add pressure. I'm a republican and I dont like a lot of things Obama does but I'm sick of my party making everything about him.

        April 6, 2012 at 11:35 am |
      • Pliny

        Admit the truth.

        When you were a little boy, some bigger black kids beat you up and made you cry.

        And you are still nothing but a frightened little (racist) boy.

        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!

        April 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • scott

        you righties have such vivid imaginations....its wonderful to watch your imaginations swirl and hiccup and sputter as you make up what goes on in the world......ah but then facts intervene and ugly reality comes back into focus....and you discover that you have been imagining out loud again.

        April 6, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  75. dale

    well this looks like it could get blown away,by us, blown up right on its launch pad,no problems!! next question?

    April 6, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply
    • medallon

      Another arm chair general who thinks of war as just a game.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
  76. BS

    Many americans are so F**ken stupid, they really think their government and military force are super hero, no one dare to stop them. In fact, all you americans , and your army are cowards, if they were not, why you government would not attack North Korean, NK is far weaker than Irag and Afgan, because you are indeed afraid of China, and your wound from last Korean war still in pain! Cowards!!!

    April 6, 2012 at 7:49 am | Reply
    • jimmer

      why are you still breathing my air?

      April 6, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
    • Peace Keeper

      You my friend are a peice of shit. Trash talking America is just ridiculous. You are a coward.

      April 6, 2012 at 8:48 am | Reply
    • Exroadie

      ......take a pill........

      April 6, 2012 at 9:06 am | Reply
    • mac

      totally agree with you. Americans are just stupid, look at the people they elect for President even! war on terror? war IS terror! Why not go after India, China, North Korea? because theyll kick the sh!t out of you, so you go towards defenseless countries lmao patheticccc

      April 6, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
      • Peace Keeper


        April 6, 2012 at 10:07 am |
      • Ace Ventura


        Although I disagree with a lot of the things the US government does, I will say China nor India nor NK(especially) would win a war against the US. Reason: we own the Air and our Navy is more massive then any of those countries. Not to mention we are more technologically advanced as well. (military wise). As far as our debt, being that we are a war driven economy it s only natural for us to be in debt (unfortunate for the people) and not to mention our financial system and other areas that have contributed to the debt we are in. The are a lot of things that need to be fixed with the US, but I can assure you that whatever country your from/support, give me 10 min and I will come up with a list of what your country does wrong in the world or two its people. Mac, what other country would you rather live in? I read your commit about being the only nation to use a nuclear bomb, do you know why we dropped them? Many bash the US, but honestly tell me one other country you would rather live in besides Amsterdam because legalization of drugs and prostitutes?

        April 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • medallon

      Cowards! Yeah, because the North Koreans talk so much of war, but just kill innocent people, then hide behind China. They are so courages that they are willing to let their own people die, or kill them outright because they are so terrified of losing power. I think it takes more courage to hold back, than to kill. If NK is doing so great, and is so courageous why are their people dying left and right, starving and struggling to leave the country. Why dont they just start a war and invade the South if they think they are so strong? They are the cowards, abusing their own people because they cant deal with the outside world, the Hermit kingdom indeed.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:16 am | Reply
      • mac

        youre stup!d hahaha! north korea isnt doing well with money but look at the states! biggest debt in the worldddd. And they killed more people in iraq, afghanistan and a ton of other illegal wars than iran has. Oh hasnt the world only seen two nukes been used? OH YA THEY WERE BOTH BY AMERICA!

        April 6, 2012 at 9:19 am |
      • medallon

        north korea is doing well with Money? What rock are you hiding under? Either you are a elementary school kid, or just an incredibly miss informed or stupid person. Just realized, you are not even worth the bytes this message takes. You are hiding behind your ignorance. Good luck with that Mac.....

        April 6, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • mac

        are you stupid? i said they arent but the states have the biggest debt in the world. Learn to read. Meaning that whoever talks about economy of other countries is dumb since yours is even worse....

        April 6, 2012 at 9:25 am |
      • medallon

        Yeah, no problem with money which is why they have a population going through mass starvation. Are there mass starvation's in the USA? Who is the idiot now? Learn to think. You are a waste of a human brain kid, get your diploma then we can talk.

        April 6, 2012 at 9:32 am |
      • mac

        Is that why america is at an all time high of poverty? lmao and here read a bit, America has done a TON of studies against its own citizens. How about this one where they gave syphilis to its citizens. Amazing country lmao

        April 6, 2012 at 9:40 am |
      • medallon

        Again, do we have concentration camps where we incarcerate our own people for generations? Having our population starving en mass? Kid, please read more. Why dont you start with 'Escape from Camp 14', or 'Escaping North Korea', all written by North Koreans, who surprise surprise are really, truthfully, dying to come to this country, or anywhere that is not North Korea. They are in Amazon, maybe if you read more you wont sound so stupid, that is unless you are some kind of North Korean government troll who is living the high life while the majority of your population is eating grass just to try to stay alive.

        April 6, 2012 at 9:58 am |
      • USA

        AMERICA.. Fuc K Yeah! Kickin ass and takin names... whos next?

        April 6, 2012 at 10:12 am |
      • mac

        Did you not read that link lmao those people were secluded from the world and got diseases put into them. How is that different from a concentration camp. Theyre both isolated and tortured for fun. Youre a waste of my time. Do some research, youre prolly just some typical american, fat and stupid. Peace

        April 6, 2012 at 10:40 am |
      • medallon

        MAC your hopeless, enjoy your starving compatriots. I dont see anyone beating on North Koreas door to immigrate, where as we have a problem with immigration because so many people want to come here. Yeah there have been bad things done in the USA, all countries have some bad aspects, but when you compare scale, North Korea is committing mass murder with its own citizens. That is very clear, and you are looking to ignore that. Did you order those books yet, you need a lot of education.

        April 6, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • medallon

      So what was the last war the N.Koreans had? O yeah, the one where they got their butt's kicked so bad they had to hide behind China. The only current military action, or I should actually say cowardly action, is the war they are waging against unarmed and starving civilians, who are their own citizens. Who is the coward now?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:20 am | Reply
      • mac

        So because your country goes and destroys others that makes them amazing? thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Ya weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq eh? not even one...Its all about oil. Coincidence that its 3 countries in a row that are major oil suppliers? you must be a hick who dropped out of elementary school

        April 6, 2012 at 9:27 am |
      • medallon

        Did I mention that I said it made us amazing, you are making assumptions to justify your cause, very ignorant of you. Hey at least we are not starving our own people. You also forget all the aid we rendered to Haiti, Sarajevo, and other african countries. You are such a buffoon, look it up kid, learn something.

        April 6, 2012 at 9:35 am |
      • @mac

        I say we use the 3rd nuke and blow NK a$$ off the map Then we wouldnt have to worry about it anymore

        April 6, 2012 at 10:04 am |
      • mac

        and your mother sucks cock in Hell 🙂

        April 6, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  77. run


    April 6, 2012 at 7:43 am | Reply
  78. Kristina Jensen

    They can't afford to buy food but they can afford a missile program. Stop giving them aid.

    April 6, 2012 at 5:03 am | Reply
    • hyperion

      only the poor civilians will suffer if they did

      April 6, 2012 at 6:30 am | Reply
      • James

        If we continue aid we are only continuing the suffering that has gone on for so long. The only answer is for the regime to collapse, then their people will stop eating bugs and leaves and whatever they can get their hands on.

        April 6, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Joe M.

      The food aid was never started this time because North Korea was so quick to announce their missile launch.

      April 7, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  79. Kinkaid

    This rocket is a dud. Let them launch the damn thing and get it over with. Even if it was a nuclear missile they wouldn't be that stupid to use it directly on any country for fear of severe reprisals. It would be the end of them if they did and they know that very well.

    April 6, 2012 at 4:52 am | Reply
  80. sureshot

    lol, we say so much angry words on countries that piss us off and impose so called sanctions on them but in the long run we get nothing but laughter in our faces..........OBAMA, you need to stand up and kick some butt and quit being such a wussie, that is what makes you look like a bad president and besides our screwed up economy

    April 6, 2012 at 4:36 am | Reply
    • Sandra

      your so quick to respond on Obama to stand up and kick some butt. it wont be Obama doing the kicking it will be me the mother of a 6 yearold who will be doing that so no thanks. I have have been awawy from my family long enough. I have also been to combat a few and now im in S. Korea why dont you go and kick some butt instead, its much easier to yack your jaw off and point fingers then to actually get off your computer and go kick butt your self.; Much love US Army soldier!!

      April 6, 2012 at 5:53 am | Reply
      • Army MP

        Agreed Sandra. I'm not a parent nor am I overseas, but after Baghdad in '03 and Fallujah in '04 I'm a little battered and tired. I could only hope the next time I have to gear up and goto work it would be for something that is DIRECTLY related to our national security. Not just our "interests."

        April 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • James

      Yes, the wussy who took down Bin Laden after Bush was too distracted or incompetent to do so. Yeah, right.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:36 am | Reply
      • NewsFlashJames

        James, you really are gullible. Obama killed Bin Laden? Please. SEALs killed Bin Laden because SEALs love targets, regardless of president. As it turns out in the find-fix-finish methodology, Osama was found when coincidentally Obama was in the chair. I wouldn't give him too much credit for that. As I recall, the best terrorist killer in this generation, Stanley McChrystal, was fired by Obama because the entire staff derided the commander-in-chief as a hapless buffoon. Guessing, I'd bet the SEALs would say the same thing, there's just not a prick reporter there to hear it.

        April 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • Joe M.

        Obama made the decision to send the SEALS after Bin Laden over the objections of the GOP holdover Defense Secretary Gates. Have you been living in a cave or only listening to Faux News? My bet is that you're drinking the Faux News Kool-Aid.

        April 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Frank S

      You need to be thinking more than one step ahead and concentrating less on what makes Obama look more like a "wuss". Decapitating the head of a autarkic dictatorship like North Korea will only result in refugees flooding across the borders into China and South Korea. The South Koreans might not mind seeing old family members, but the Chinese will not be happy with having an influx of illegal immigrants like that. If you think our relationship with them right now is adversarial, wait until there's an actual reason for somebody to be pissed off.

      April 7, 2012 at 4:00 am | Reply
  81. Kyle H. Davis

    Well, I'm headed to Dandong to see if I can catch a glimpse of the beginning of the end of the DPRK.
    The launch site is only about 30 miles from where I will be... If I can catch it through the haze and pollution.

    April 6, 2012 at 4:15 am | Reply
    • Gringo

      Post some pictures

      April 6, 2012 at 6:27 am | Reply
    • welch6980

      Post the photos if you get them.

      April 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Reply

    after the lunch and test period. Any thing north korea wishes to do he they can go ahead n do, who cares!

    April 6, 2012 at 2:55 am | Reply

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