February 9th, 2012
08:51 PM ET

Key U.S. ally buying more Iranian oil despite sanctions drive

With many U.S. allies in Europe and Asia looking elsewhere for oil in the face of mounting sanctions on Iran’s oil industry, India actually increased its import of Iranian crude last month.

“We are working with countries around the world, including India, that maintain strong oil relationships with Iran, encouraging all of them to reduce their dependence on Iranian crude,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Thursday of efforts to keep up pressure on Iran over its nuclear program.

But India imports seventy percent of the oil it uses – fourteen percent of it from Iran. CNN's Jill Dougherty reports on the complex set of issues that could see the key U.S. ally increasing its Iranian imports going forward.

Filed under: India • Iran • Sanctions • Security Clearance on TV
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  5. GK_DG

    Today towards the end of the news on the PBS channel, the pictures of Americans killed in Afghanistan last week were shown. There were 7 or 8 Americans men between the ages of 19 and 42 killed in Afghanistan last week. My child and i had a discussion on these pictures.. These are someone's children, brother, or husband. If they had not signed up to join the military to protect our nation, they would have been still living. For who are these people and others like them being killed weekly in Afghanistan?? With all the billions of dollars spent and the untold sacrifices of our military personnel and their families for the past 10 years, what is there to claim we achieved there? Those Afghanis are still living like nomads, practicing their brutal ways of life, and treating their womenfolks like cattle.. Bring our boys and girls home.. Enough of this stupidity. Now those 1% is clamoring to send our kids to war with Iran.

    March 10, 2012 at 12:29 am | Reply
  6. Sean NYC

    To begin with, why are we dictating what other "sovereign" countries are doing? We do not control them. Although I don't feel India should be purchasing Iran's oil, we do, as mentioned, have to respect their decision. Basically, the same way that we don't intervene with China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela's decisions with countries that we don't support. For example, wasn't it N. Korea's new leader that sent a message to Syria's al-Assad saying that we support you and your regime? How come we don't send a letter to the opposition saying we support them? Exactly, we pick and choose our battles only when it benefits us. India is doing the same to economically take advantage of the drop in price. We would have done the same. So quit bitching.

    March 8, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
  7. dumbAmericansDoingtheirusualthing

    India has had good economic and political relations with almost every other country.It is one nation that will never take a biased stand.Why India imports Iranian oil is because of Indias need to keep its economy alive and India doesnt feel that it needs to oblige the Americans, since India doesn not live on American Aid or patronage.

    No one here gives a farts thought to what americans are doing!!.The world has started smelling the rotten underbelly of an empire desperate to secure its resources.Rome Fell, Greece Fell, Persia Fell, Pax Britanica is Over and America being no exception, is going that way.

    you guys should talk about Peace, since Karma has every possibility of visitng you soon.

    March 6, 2012 at 3:25 am | Reply
    • Greg

      talk to me when you actually have your own defense industry and don't import 70 percent of your energy.. While you are buying it from outside you are nothing

      I noticed the police (who were mostly running AWAY) during the Mumbai massacre were sporting bolt action Lee Enfield .303 (or.308) rifles built in 1945! This was versus guerrillas with ak47's... You gotta long way to go to validate your bold talk and hot air
      All the while 600 billion dollars + goes into military and next gen high tech weapons, all the better to deal with big talkers of the future

      I think peace is always in everybody's best interests 🙂

      March 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Reply
  8. yup

    Way to back us up India.....I wish we kept all of you out. Cheep nasty little Fu457KERS

    February 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Reply
    • George Washington

      Their better than you and your nasty zionist masters. yup yuk – like in num-nuts

      March 6, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
  9. GK_DG

    Indian economy is very much dependent on the Iranian oil supply. If the Iranian oil import is disrupted, the oil price will shoot off the roof and there will be massive unrest throughout India. India's relationship with Iran is purely economical. The minute America or the western nations can guarantee replacement oil, i believe India will stop purchasing Iranian oil. India is a peace loving nation, world's largest democracy, it believes in fair play, it has no ulterior motives for military adventures, and are only interested in the improved general welfare of her starving masses.

    February 27, 2012 at 12:14 am | Reply
    • Adam

      Nonsense, iran and india have always had very strong relations.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Reply
      • GK_DG

        History shows India had a long relation with Jews and Christians too, at least dating back to the 1st Century. Some of the Jewish diaspora found refuge in places like Cochin.. Disciple Thomas evangelized and established churches in India since AD53.. Syrian and the Antioch Christians found refuge in India. India is one of the fewest nations in the world were the Jews lived in complete safety and peace. How many nations are out there, that takes care of the Jewish cemetery where the Hindu children lighting candles at the grave-sites there, even after most of the remaining Jews have migrated to Israel? India is an independent nation and she will do what is in the best interest of her people.

        March 10, 2012 at 2:48 am |

      flat out lie "largest democracy" cannot even hold fair election in Kashmir!

      March 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Reply
      • David

        Are you kashmiri?

        March 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  10. Drew Peacock

    Oil prices will really go up–$140 a barrel me thinks. Bad for the economies of Europe and USA: good thing Obama said NO to the Keystone pipeline. Dumb dumb dumb. Be long oil and short USA!!

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    February 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
    • America 1st YOU are an idiot

      Do you know how far back the "XL pipeline" goes?
      Do you know that the bituminous mix that is planned for the XL is not "oil" as we know it?
      Do you know that the refined results from the XL are intended to be exported and NOT consumed in the US?
      Do you know that we (the US) are currently exporting gasoline even as these prices go up?
      Peacocks aren't known for being particularly bright but you seem to eagerly reinforce that.

      February 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Reply
      • Brent

        You are correct, the oil from Canada is not the same as Brent North Sea Oil, but that does not mean that it cannot be refined into gasoline. You are correct, the US oil companies are exporting gasoline, even while the prices here continue to rise.
        These are not reasons not to build the pipeline. The president refused to grant a permit for the pipeline, and I was upset about that, but in hind site I think it gives him an opportunity to show some real leadership. He should grant the permit under the condition that all products derived from this oil are only sold domestically. He should also make that a stipulation of any future drilling permits on public lands.

        One final point: Ladies and Gentlemen, we may all have different ideals of what the best course of action is on any subject. I realize that sometimes we are very passionate about our view and beliefs. Let me tell you all this now, none of us are correct all the time, including me! Let's listen to the views of everyone, and if you disagree, then articulate your view in an intelligent way. Insulting people is not helping anything, and it makes the insulter look stupid.

        We are not a bunch of crazy people, that loose their mind because some Korans were burned. Yes, that should not have happened, but killing people because of it is insane! When we personally attack people on this comment page for their view, it reminds me of Nut Job Zealots! We are not required to agree with a comment, but we should show some civility in our response.


        February 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
  11. Dixie Normus

    Dixie Normus

    Drew is right–I am watching CNN right now and they are saying that there is NO Economic recovery in sight–it is merely and Economy that is bouncing off the bottom. Wonder if Iran is planning their BS to drive price of oil up in order to further hurt the economies of Europe and USA?? How high will the price of OIL go to ?? Anyone??

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    February 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Reply
  12. reality

    Come on, every body likes cheap oil.

    February 26, 2012 at 10:24 am | Reply
  13. Dell Stator

    Anyone who thnks a dictatorship using religous fanatics to stay in power is going to be effected by sanctions is, stupid.
    The best way to curb Iran, or any country, is to embargo key technology, and instantly and ruthlessly prosecute all businesses who don't obey the embargo (even if they contribute to your campaigns, or just plain bribe you outright). While at the same time doing everything possible to "corrupt" the oppressed masses in the country, and there will be oppressed masses. Air dropping millions of TIVO's with thousands of hours of western movies, or eastern, India and China have thriving movie industries, and a copy of Wikipedia, would do more to moderate politics in these countries than anything else. You really don't even need propaganda in the Tivo, the truth is the rulers of all dictatorships cause their people unnecessary suffering. Really, air drop Tivos, air drop books, air drop anti-biotics, bandages, antispetics, food and whatever else the rulers make sure their people don't have (just to keep the masses mad when they blame their enemies for keeping the masses poor) air drop sneakers, jeans and red bull if it's something the people want! Air drops too dangerous, stack it all along the borders, stick it in barrels and float it down the rivers, stick it in high altitude ballons and drop from those, cataplut it in in big foam padded balls. You change gov't by undermining the peoples support of their gov't. Yet, the UN, all the countries of the world can't think of this, it's like they WANTED THE DISTRACTION so people would'nt focus on domestic problems, like, the increasing poverty in the US, while 10% of the country receive all the gains in wealth, income and power.

    February 15, 2012 at 10:46 pm | Reply
  14. Obama

    Obama will give them a bail out money

    February 11, 2012 at 9:22 am | Reply
  15. Mazo

    Wow! That's what's it's all about isn't it ? "What's best for the United States!" ! Oil prices rising is not good for the US but oil shortage in India ? Who cares ??

    How many people are going to starve in Tehran ? How many families will not be able to may payments ? How many Iranians will be out of jobs ?? All these are statistics and part of the intricate calculus of US foreign policy – rather the real and tangible suffering of a people who are essentially blameless because they live in a theocracy dominated by posturing autocrats!

    The USA wants Iranians to stand and fight against their government, and die if need be – not so that the Iranians people may live better lives or be prosperous or have freedoms but because it suits US foreign policy interests and suits US allies interests. Democracy and a liberal society forming in Iran are merely happy incidental outcomes in the US calculus.

    How many more nations will have to fall on their swords to satisfy US and Israeli strategic interests ??

    February 11, 2012 at 8:47 am | Reply
    • Brent

      Mazo, I understand how you feel, but it is not like Iran just sits home and minds there own business. They make trouble for everyone, but none so much as their own people. The sad truth is that the people always suffer when they have a bad Govt. I will remind you that America dropped 2 Nuclear bombs on Japan, but here 60 years later the people of Japan are much better off than they would have been otherwise, and we count them as some of our best friends in the world. I hope we are not forced to do the same with Iran.

      February 11, 2012 at 11:04 am | Reply
      • Mazo

        The Iranian government is operating on fear as much as the Israelis are operating on fear. The tools of their trade are merely different. The Iranians are alone and isolated internationally, they aren't sure if the Russians or the Chinese will support them and for how long while their "enemies" are sharpening their swords. Nuclear weapons seem like a lifeline to protect their sovereignty and their independence.

        You give the example of Japan and how they are your close friends now but do you believe that the only way for Japan to come from an Imperial empire to a pacifist liberal democracy is through the death and devastation of nuclear weapons?? There are other lessons also to be taken from the example of Japan like how the Japanese were demonized and places like Manzanar came to be!

        It is easy to demonize your "enemies" and see them as intransigent but there are two sides to every issue. Fate and circumstance have never given opportunity to a time when the USA was isolated internationally and other big powers were considering your fate so it might not be possible to understand but fear and isolation are usually counter-productive forces. If North Korean dictators can be negotiated with, surely the Iranians could also be persuaded by negotiations. The only impediment is the right incentive.

        February 13, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • weakcountriesonly

      its easy to preach to other countries when 0% of us oil comes from iran but other countries impirt much more. so on the other hand if countires want an embargo for genuine reasons, say india wanting complete sanctions against pakistan, its not in us interests.

      February 26, 2012 at 12:46 am | Reply
      • Brent

        The President took an oath of office to defend, and protect the United States of America. Not India, Not Pakistan, Not Iran or any other country. So making an argument based on what is better for other countries is ridiculous. The question is, is it better for India to have a strong trading relationship with Iran, or the US. That also is a ridiculous question. There are millions of Indianans living and working in the US, and if they want to keep that opportunity, then they better stop supporting a regime that is hostile to the US. They must be forced to choose between the US and Iran. They cannot have it both ways.

        February 26, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • Hasai

      It is not Americans' job to care for Iranians' families; it is Iranians' jobs to take care of their families, and to date I am not terribly impressed by their work ethic.

      February 29, 2012 at 10:39 am | Reply
  16. OhrelaDOTcom

    It's been well established that sanctions only hurt the people of the country, and the turmoil causes more of the populous to support those in power. Since China is now buying about 50% less oil from Iran, it is good to see India taking advantage of the opportunity to help the people of Iran by purchasing more of their oil. What is the reason behind the sanctions? Because Iran wants to provide it's people with nuclear energy, and medical treatments the same as the US? There isn't a single piece of evidence to attest to Iran having a nuclear weapons program, and yet Israel has killed a nuclear scientist, and the US is attempting to starve their population. Why hasn't the US cut off Israels 3 billion dollar a year aid, and placed sanctions on them who have 200 undeclared nuclear weapons, oppress the Palestinians, ignore UN resolutions, have sold US military technology to the Chinese and in the 70s attempted to sell nuclear weapons to South Africa? Still most of the US population base their reality on conjecture, condemning countries who are trying to develop peacefully, while the US conducts open and covert wars of aggression against the rest of the world.

    February 10, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Reply
    • Brent

      Normally I try to keep my comments professional, but when I hear something completely ridiculous, and stupid I must point it out.

      Israel is a country of 9 million people, surrounded by 250 million Muslims that would love nothing better than to kill them. Most of the Muslims state this openly and publicly, but none so to the point as Iran. Yes, Israel has Nuclear weapons since 1959, but they have never used them! Israel does not say that another country has no right to exist. As Americans, we have had thousands of our people killed by Muslims, but not a single attack has been carried out against America, by the Jews.

      Let address your assertion that Iran is NOT seeking a bomb with their Nuclear program: Why does Iran say they want Nuclear Energy? They say they want to generate electricity with Nuclear Power so they can have more oil left to sell, so it will benefit their economy. Yet they know that the program scares the shit out of Israel, and the US. Not to mention Saudi Arabia, and most other Arab nations. The fear this program generates has resulted in crippling sanctions on Iran, and the threat of open war. So they have no chance to achieve their stated goal. They are not selling more oil, they are selling less, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Their currency is worth 1/2 what it was a year ago, and there are problems so numerous they can hardly be counted. Yet, they still refuse to abandon this cause? That just does not make sense. You say they do this to help their people have a better life, but their action are having the exact opposite effect. And still they press on. If their stated goal cannot be achieved, and they know this, as does everyone in the world, but they refuse to change course. One must ask the question, what is their real goal? Because it sure as hell is not the one they put forth. Their action make no sense in the context of their clams of peaceful intent. Let me tell you something, EVERYTHING ALWAYS MAKES SENSE! If it does not make sense to you, that is because you do not have all the information.

      Since 1980 Iran has undertaken 26,000 different weapons programs, but they have only attempted 1 alternative energy program. I guess it is just a coincidence that the alternative energy program, also goes hand and hand with making the most powerful weapons on the planet?

      I guess that I do not need you to ask you to look at Syria, and explain to me why Iran is helping kill the people of Syria? Hardly a surprise after they did the same thing to their own people in 2009. Iran is responsible for the death of thousands of Americans. Every time they have a military parade the hang banners on the side of their missiles that say (Death to America), (Death to Israel). I have never seen another country display their weapons, with a sign saying who they plan to kill with these weapons. That is a terrorist threat! Tell you what, why don't you get your like minded friends and organize a march through the streets of your city, carrying your guns, and holding a sign saying, (Death to the Police)? We will see how far you make it before you all go to prison. The reason? It is against the law to to threaten people, but as a country Iran does it all the time. That alone is reason enough to attack them.

      Here is the truly sad part of your ridiculous comments. Because of people like you, there most likely will be an attack on Iran, and no one wants to see that. The Arab Spring has taught us that regimes that everyone thought were too powerful to be removed by their own people, are really very vulnerable to a popular revolt. In order to get the people to revolt, their living conditions must be bad enough to force them into the streets. To achieve this situation the free world uses sanctions. The sad truth is that without the people suffering, they will never rise up. But if they do not rise up and get rid of these religious nut jobs, they are going to suffer far worse under the assault of a foreign power.

      The bottom line is the current regime in Iran are twelvers. They believe in the return of the 12th Imam, and they seek to facilitate his return. They believe that he will not return as long as the Jews inhabit the Lands of the Mohammed. Therefore, to achieve their goal, they must either kill, or displace the Jews. After his return, they plan to subjugate the rest of the world. I am not making this up, Google it! The Supreme leader claims he met personally with the hidden Imam, and has orders directly from God, So his decisions can not be challenged. If you do dare to question his decisions, you are labeled an enemy of God, and Hanged, or Stoned to death.

      Everyone has the right to believe in whatever God they choose, but no one can prove their belief is correct. That is why it is called faith. It is a feeling, an emotion, not science. Everyone know that it is a bad ideal to make decisions when you are emotional, and religion is emotion. Iran makes every decision based on emotion, and no one can even hold up their hand, and say this is a bad ideal. This is the most dangerous situation anyone could imagine. You can not reason with them, because they do not use reason to make decisions. The only we hope the world has of preventing a third world war, is the people of Iran removing this regime. First we must motivate them through hardship, then help them with an arms supply, and backing. If the world does not do this, within 10 years you are going to see Nuclear bombs exploding in cities across the world, America included.

      February 11, 2012 at 1:01 am | Reply
      • OhrelaDOTcom

        Where do I begin to address such deep seeded propaganda. Israel didn't expel 750,000 Palestinians, and massacre whole villages in 1948? They didn't kill 20,000 people in Lebanon in 1988? They didn't kill 1300 Palestinians including 400 children in Gaza in 2008. They haven't occupied the west bank, and accelerated settlements in the past year since Palestine went to the UN for state hood? They didn't try to sell nuclear weapons to South Africa in the 70s? There wasn't less than 6% Jewish people in what is now called Israel prior to the 1890s and the beginning of the Zionist movement. They didn't commit acts of terror against Brits, Palestinians and there own people in the 20s and 30s? They haven't starved, and blocked aid from reaching Gaza and the West Bank for years now? They didn't shoot down a Libyan commercial airliner killing over 100 civilians? They didn't attack the USS Liberty killing 34 American service men? They didn't train terrorists in Iran who assassinated a nuclear scientist? They didn't violate UN security council resolutions 242 and 338 amongst others, by failing to withdraw forces from occupied territories? They don't torture, and beat Palestinian men woman and children on a daily basis, restricting their movement, and otherwise treat them like dogs? They didn't kill 9 Turkish human rights activists on the Gaza flotilla mission to provide the Palestinians with basic construction and food supplies? In the Gaza Massacre in 2008 they didn't prevent red cross workers from providing aid to injured Palestinians? They aren't building a wall to fence in the entire West Bank? They didn't sell the Chinese the US Airborne Early Warning System in 1996? Those who defend Israel are either extremely ignorant or have a toilet for a soul.

        What you won't see on CNN about Syria is the Arab League Observer Mission Report, which consisted of 165 observers, from 14 different countries most of which were members of human rights organizations. Here is an excerpt from that report...

        26.In Homs, Idlib and Hama, the Observer Mission witnessed acts of violence being committed against
        Government forces and civilians that resulted in several deaths and injuries. Examples of those acts include the
        bombing of a civilian bus, killing eight persons and injuring others, including women and children, and the
        bombing of a train carrying diesel oil. In another incident in Homs, a police bus was blown up, killing two
        police officers. A fuel pipeline and some small bridges were also bombed.

        A far cry from the US state departments context relayed to the news that the Assad regime is massacring peaceful protesters. I don't support the Assad regime, but the popular movement has been usurped by western interests, and there are reports from you beloved Israel that British and Qatar forces are providing arms, and tactical support to one of the armed militant resistance movements in Syria. Did you not see military security building that was blown up by one of the armed gangs killing 25 people and injuring 175 in Aleppo? Continue to follow conjecture, and the talking heads who regurgitate state propaganda, and form opinions about subjects which you have no real knowledge of. Sheep were meant to follow, without questioning. I have written on all these subjects for those of you who are interested in an objective analysis of world events and history.

        You can stop reading your Muslim hate pamphlet, Israel and the US have carried out wars of aggression for 60 years, who has Iran invaded?

        February 11, 2012 at 3:33 am |
      • Brent

        I understand your position much better now. The discussion was about Iran, but apparently you wish to discuss Israel? Surely there will be another opportunity for that. I am not here to defend Israel. I am an American, not an Israeli. That conflict goes back 4000 years, and neither of us know all the facts. To get into an argument about this issue would be ridiculous, but in so far as it relates to Iran to some degree, let me say this.
        Iran does not really care at all about the Palestinians, or the people of Lebanon, or the people of Syria. They just beat this drum to foster hate against the Jews, along with 1/2 of their Muslim neighbors. King Hussian of Jordan killed 100,000 Palestinians in the 70's when they tried to carve out a homeland in Jordan.

        Muslims just hate the Jews, and anything they can do to get rid of them, they will do. Why do they hate the Jews? Well you just gave us a Laundry list of why we should, but the real reason they do, is because Mohammed did. Mohammed's chief pastime was killing Jews.

        There was an American President that gave an interview just after he was inaugurated. In that interview he was asked what the biggest foreign threat to America was? Do you know what his answer was? (Radical Islam)! That is not really that surprising until you know which President said that-Thomas Jefferson.

        February 11, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  17. Stan

    India should do what's best for India, they should buy as much as they want, don't let other tell you how to run your country. Just because Israel countries our foregin policy doesn't mean they have to control Indias'.

    February 10, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Reply
  18. Brent

    Our stupid President is going to get us in another war. I agree that Iran needs to be stopped, but we do not need to bomb anyone to do it. This problem could be fixed in 6 weeks with the signing of a few Executive Orders. Simply this. If you do business with Iran, of any kind, you will not do business with America. This goes for American companies also. Mainly Agribusiness Cargill. India, and China's entire economy is base on trade with the US. If you do any business with Iran, nothing that says Made in China will be allowed in US ports, same for India, and anyone who does business with them. Yes, there would be a shortage of goods in America in the short term, but in the long term it would build our manufacturing base back, and trow China into civil war. the Chinese and Indians are not stupid, they know this, and they would tell Iran to get lost!
    We would never have sent food to Nazi Germany, but we send food to Iran? This all stems from our deluded sense of morality. With no food from us or anyone, and no trade with most of the world, the people of Iran would have no choice but to overthrow their government.
    Time to play hardball America, before we are sending our Men and Women to die again, when we do not have to.

    February 10, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
    • Johnny Parker

      Brent you have a very valid point but do you think that the President is the only one making decisions in this matter? A president is merely a pawn in the game of chess he blamed for everything that is good or bad that may or may not be his fault but to call him stupid because of the actions that are taking place in Iran doesnt make sense. The sanctions against Iran are affecting Iran a lot more than what you see on tv. Iran economy is crippled and soon they will give in. Even if they close the Straits of Hormuse it will only be short lived, because if they can't export their oil which is rufly 75% of their revenue they will go broke even faster. Besides we wont be the one who will attack them Israel will be the ones so be patient and see how this all pan out.

      February 10, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
      • Brent

        Johnny, you have a very valid point, and perhaps I should not have called the President stupid. You are certainly correct that he gets the blame & credit for everything, deserved or not. Clearly we have 500+ congressmen & women that could take the lead on this issue, but everyone is afraid. What if China calls our debt due? What about the increase in the prices of consumer goods? We can not us food as weapon?
        These are the words of the misinformed, and the morally diluted. Let's address the food issue. OPEC uses oil as a weapon, and you can not grow, and distribute food without oil. I understand why the US does it. They think all the bags of grain with the American Flag on them will make the people of the receiving country love us, but they are wrong. These people just think we are stupid, and weak. So we should simply say, "We are the Great Satan? I would not go to diner with Satan if he invited me, why do you want to"?
        China & India: In 2008 when the economic downturn was hitting us and the world very hard, the demand for goods made in China and India was cut by about 8-10%. The result was 34 million Chinese lost their jobs, and there was rioting in the streets. That was no more than 10% less demand. If we said we would close off 100%, the Chinese authorities would have a heart attack. That would effectively end the prosperous China, and with 1/2 a billion unemployed people, the effect would be civil war. They would never let that happen, especially for Iran.

        Johnny, you are clearly a smart man, and I think you are right, given time the current situation will work. The problem is that we do not have time. If this had been done 3 years ago, then maybe it would have worked.
        It does not matter if Israel bombs Iran. They will still hold us responsible, and attack the 5th fleet. At the very least they will unleash hell on Israel, and if it gets bad, the US will be forced to defend Israel. So at the end of the day, I am back to seeing my friends die. I live 45 miles from Fort Hood, and when these kids get killed, I must see their families. Sometimes we have no choice, but sometime we could avoid the fight with just some tough love with our trading partner. I think it is time for that.

        February 10, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Paul

      So, you would be willing to put a million or two AMERICANS out of work instantly for this foolish endeavor? What do you think happens to those imports? Do you think they just magically disappear? No, they are used and sold by AMERICAN companies to provide wages. A much better way is to cut off all foreign aid across the board and use it to reward behavior we want.

      February 10, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
      • Brent

        Paul, I know full well what happens to the imports from China. I have a small business that sells wood floors. Almost all of the floors I sell are made in China. I am a retailer, so I do not care where the wood is made. I only care that I can buy my supply at the same price as my competitors. 15 years ago, the wood from China was a small part of our product line, now it is near 100%. It is cheaper to cut down North American Hickory, ship it to China to be made into flooring, and brought back to America, than it is to make the wood here.

        So using just this small example, this is what would happen. At first the price of wood floors would jump sharply, but at the same time the added cost of the wood, and the fact that you did not have to compete with Chinese manufacturing, would make it profitable to make the wood here. Then the price of wood would come back down. It would never get as low as it is now, but that would not matter, because the people with the new manufacturing jobs would make the overall economy better, and our trade deficit would vanish.

        But really you miss the point. None of this would every happen, because the Chinese and Indians would run from the Iranians so fast that their turbans would unwrap from the wind current.

        February 10, 2012 at 11:14 am |
      • DontNeedAnotherWar

        In reply to the wood flooring... it IS sad that it's cheaper to cut it down here, send it there for production and shipped back than it is to just make it 100% here. I don't see how the economics could justify it, and I'm not saying I do not agree with you. How I see it is this way...if the wage was there to cut down the tree, and mill it here, then I believe people would be willing to pay that cost-difference. There's no WAY it could be THAT much cheaper to produce in China with all of the overhead it creates. Think back to 20 years ago, products LASTED and were created to LAST, not to be thrown away at the first sign of wear like things are today.
        If the US Government blocked all American companies from using China for production, you'd see a mad rush for production workers in the US, paying a decent wage, creating a job base here, and with all Americans employed, the economic growth would far outweigh the temporary inflation created by forcing US companies to produce their products here. Even if it IS wood flooring.
        Sadly though, the major purchases people make are not necessarily "need" items, they are "want" or luxury items. Maybe it's time Americans stop griping about the small stuff and concentrate on the big picture. Chinese made products are mostly horrible and not any better than the crap people win at the fair or carnival.
        Could I live without a $150 coffee pot? You bet. I could get an old stainless perk coffee maker that would last me 25-years instead of 14 months.

        February 10, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • Brent

        I merely proposed the ideal as a way to get China and India in step with the USA. It is simple math, in on had I have $10,000 that represents the money you make from trading with America. In the other I have $10 that represents your trading profits with Iran. You can have either hand you wish, but you can not have both. What do you think? It might take China 15-20 seconds to make their decision?

        Paul thinks it would be as bad for us as the Chinese, he may be right, but I think in the long run it would be the best thing every for us. I am sure the Chinese agree with me, and so they would never let that happen.

        February 10, 2012 at 11:49 am |
      • Mazo


        You say that by threatening the Chinese and the Indians with sanctions they will cave and run from the Iranians but do you understand what happens "after" that ??

        If the USA threatens China and India with sanctions, these nations are not going to simply walk it off – they will remember and hold that against the USA always. It will change the dynamics of geo-politics and the USA can play this card only once, because the next time the Chinese will call your hand!

        IRemember – it takes two people to play ball and for every pitcher's hard ball there is a batter's homerun too.

        February 11, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • Mazo

      You clearly have no understanding of the world economy or international politics. If the USA tried to give that sort of ultimatium to the Chinese and the Indians they would make the same ultimatium back to the USA – that if the US stops trade with them they will stop trade with the US and kick out all US companies in their nations! The result would be a catastrophic collapse in the world economy and steep recession – especially in the USA. All these economies are linked so seamlessly through Globalization that you will be hard pressed to find a beginning and an end. Plus, the political fallout of this would be severe with the Chinese and the Indians joining forces and integrating themselves much more closely politically and militarily.
      Such a situation would lead to isolating nearly 2 billion or 1/4th of the world against the US, collapsing the global economy – causing widespread unemployment in the US and the world and severely crippling the US militarily in Asia by isolating it from a key ally – India. All this would not be worth any possible outcome from Iran! In fact this would benefit Iran's leaders tremendously and you can be sure that Obama will remembered as the fool who penny wise and pound foolish.

      February 11, 2012 at 8:26 am | Reply
  19. Petra Bolashnik

    This is nothing new: http://rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/

    U.S. needs to realize China, Russia, and India have to keep in mind their own best interests; just as the U.S. does. Think Iran is about nuclear worry, try more worry for U.S. if dollar is no longer international trade currency (i.e.- if C/R/I start buying oil/commodities in their currency or gold) then U.S. fiat dollar will inflate.

    February 10, 2012 at 8:33 am | Reply

    hahaha lets bomb india, d dain of evil

    February 10, 2012 at 7:37 am | Reply
  21. Voice of Reason

    Indians are inherently cheap, that's why

    February 10, 2012 at 4:39 am | Reply
  22. USA

    Lets bomb India too.........

    February 10, 2012 at 4:28 am | Reply
    • Chinese propaganda stinks

      You arent USA pal.

      February 10, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • Neil

      Try it buddy you'll know how weak your knees are

      February 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • Brent

        Neil, I assume you are just joking. My knees are not weak, I am for bombing anyone if we need to. But I am not for being stupid when there is no need to kill people, when with the stroke of a pen we can ensure there demise. You can climb over the wall, or you can walk through the door. Both get you where you want to be. One is just a lot easier and safer.

        February 10, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Patriot

      Indians are powerful buddy. Don't underestimate them...They are 3rd largest economy now. And there will be 4 indians to fight with every american if you want...

      February 12, 2012 at 2:53 am | Reply
  23. Anthony

    Just like Washington cares two hoots for the effect of terrorism on other countries like India which have been repeatedly rebuffed when it has presented evidence of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistan, India now has no reason to back a US sponsored resolution, the war against terror and instability has to be 'One for all and all for one'. The US is just raising the bogey of nuclear weapons like it did with WMD in Iraq, which has left Iraq in a worse off condition and more instable. Its just that the US is like a spoilt kid that needs everyones attention and a pat on the back periodically by other countries acknowledging it as a superpower when it actually is struggling with unemployment and weak economy which hasnt come out of recession and might not for some years to come. Just like the US wants cheap fuel India also has the right for cheap fuel.

    February 10, 2012 at 4:08 am | Reply
    • Asma

      @Brent, your chauvinism does not make any sense. If it were this easy to bring India and China in line, then all the huge defence complex and its associated agencies would have been jumping up and down to do just that. Between India and China you have 2.5 billion people. Almost 40% of humanity. They are both Nuclear power. Not only that, it has been tried before and it failed. US Slapped sanctions on India in 1998 after nuclear tests. India went head and weaponized nuclear weapons anyway, until Bush came with a sweet Nuclear deal. Have you ever visited Silicon Valley? Did you know more than half of all engineering and science PhDs are awarded to Indians and Chinese. Both these countries are raccing to colonize the moon and you talk of giving them an ultimatum. We can't even override a Chinese veto let alone telling them what to do. I think your views are lopsided and not based on reality of the world today.

      February 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  24. Mazo

    The problem for India I think is that they feel this is something just between the West and Iran. They feel that they have not been consulted and these "sanctions" were imposed as edicts from the West without any consultation.

    In such a climate they will try to find ways to work around sanctions rather than try to implement sanctions. Further this being an election year in India, the Shia's make up an important constituency and the politicians would like to show their "independence" of foreign policy.

    Finally, the Indian government's stand would ultimately try to use these sanctions to make a kind of "oil for trade" arrangement with the Iranians but it will be exceedingly difficult for India to do so without significantly increasing its exports to Iran and try to have a more equitable trade balance than what they have at present.

    February 10, 2012 at 1:08 am | Reply
  25. mipolitic

    what obamas sanctions are being ignored ? wow what a NOT surpise , one runs through and more to follow, well so much for wishful thinking. us in the west is not the only one addicted to oil. nobody seen this coming , what a joke. whats next??? i could guess but i will. hint three boats with three different flags conducting show and tell exercise. and none are from the west.

    February 9, 2012 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • Thirsty

      Hate to tell you this, but..........we do not rule the world.

      We only think we do.

      February 10, 2012 at 12:21 am | Reply
      • mipolitic

        hey thirsty dude, you should ask someone to help you read and understand post before you reply to them

        February 10, 2012 at 10:09 am |
      • glennrobertg

        Good point! Maybe we should drop all that good stuff here and leave Iran alone.

        February 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Thirsty

      Well, mipolitic, in your case – easier said than done. It's somewhat difficult to comprehend inane babble.

      February 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Reply
  26. ikebiby91

    Yet American soldiers are taking pictures with the Nazi SS symbol. Face it no one is going to listen to America anymore.

    February 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Thirsty

      Haven't you heard? 'SS' stands for 'Scout Sniper'. Which is fine had they stuck to Roman numerals and not Norse runes hi-jacked for Nazi ideology.

      February 10, 2012 at 12:23 am | Reply
    • Frangible

      Wait until he finds out about the Secret Service.

      February 10, 2012 at 5:20 am | Reply
    • Chinese propaganda stinks

      China is allowing syrian slaughter.

      February 10, 2012 at 11:34 am | Reply

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