Panetta believes Israel could strike Iran this spring
By Barbara Starr
U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has come to the conclusion there is a growing likelihood Israel could attack Iran sometime this spring in an effort to destroy its suspected nuclear weapons program, according to a senior administration official.
The official declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.
Panetta's views were first reported by the Washington Post's David Ignatius, who wrote Panetta "believes there is strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June - before Iran enters what Israelis described as a 'zone of immunity' to commence building a nuclear bomb."
Asked by reporters in Brussels, where Panetta is attending NATO meetings, the defense secretary refused to comment. But Panetta told reporters the U.S. has "indicated our concerns" to Israel, according to a transcript provided by the Defense Department.
But the official also noted that Israel goes through cycles of making aggressive statements about its intentions toward Iran in an effort to pressure the United States and the West to take more action.
Iran's supreme leader issued a blunt warning Friday that war would be detrimental to the United States - and that Iran is ready to help anyone who confronts "cancerous" Israel.
"You see every now and then in this way they say that all options are on the table. That means even the option of war," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said during Friday prayers in Tehran. "This is how they make these threats against us.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned Thursday that Iran may be close to the point "which may render any physical strike as impractical," according to Reuters.
But just a few weeks ago, Barak suggested things were not as urgent, saying an Israeli decision on whether to strike Iran's nuclear program was "very far off."
A "confluence' of intelligence has led Panetta to this conclusion, the official told CNN, but declined to offer any specifics except noting that the United States conducts intelligence operations aimed at Israel as it does with many other allies.
The senior administration official also noted that there is a general understanding in the administration that Israel may have come to the firm conclusion Iran is developing a nuclear weapon. Just last week, the recently retired chief of Israeli military intelligence told CNN's David McKenzie that the "Iranians have already decided that they want nuclear weapons," he said. But he added they haven't decided fully to go through with creating the weapons.
The official U.S. assessment is that Iran has not yet made that decision, the source said.
At a Senate hearing on Tuesday, Central Intelligence Agency Director David Petraeus, who said he has regular discussions with Israel's leadership and intelligence head, noted that "Israel does see this possibility as an existential threat to their country, and I think that it is very important to keep that perspective in mind."
At the same hearing, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper noted the United States works closely with the Israelis and said the notion that Israel could strike is "a very sensitive issue right now."
"This is an area that we are very, very concerned about," Clapper said.
Panetta's press secretary, George Little, declined to comment on the report. Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently said it would be premature for the United States to consider striking Iran.
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The Israelies are the only country with enough firepower and balls to stop the crap that is going on in the middle east. The United States needs to get their act together and realize they are dealing with a country who may be a 1000 times smaller , but its also has a 1000 times more military gusto. They need to work with them, not against them. Nuclear warfare needs to be nixed.
RE: ALE. Firepower, gusto, is not what Israel demonstrates. Israel is reckless, arrogant, and at its essence racist. It considers itself intrinsically, organically, superior to its neighbors. This racist hubris of Israel is so severe, it has distorted its perception. If Israel does in fact attack Iran it will be committong a fundamental blunder. Iran is too powerful for Israel to successfully attack. Not only is Israel not capable of stopping Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, if that is Iran's aim, but Iran has the capability of counterattacking against Israel. Israel in its history has never experienced the retaliation which will be forthcoming from Iran.
The danger for the USA lies in exactly what you are recommending: that the USA involves itself in Israel's folly. At most the USA can delay Iran's acquisition of a nuclear arsenal by several years, no more. The affect on the USA's relations with Muslim people around the world, Shia and Sunni alike, from exposing itself as the tail that Israel wags, will be a catastrophe of biblical proportions. We will irrevocably and indelibly be defined as a quasi-zionist enemy of Islam.
we are an enemy of Islam.
USA is not about making any one nationality or religion "TOO IMPORTANT"
Don't forget that Israel has a history of war with its neighbors during last 30 years so this country must be assumed as a really big threat for the region, then look at and compare with Iran..... no war during last 30 years except the one with Iraq which was commenced by the Iraq side.... so this nonsense about the probability of Iran being a threat for other countries in the region comes from lack of knowledge,short memory or maybe the influence of fake news.... and it 's really sad to see war between countries....
Sam, is the threat of the Iranian president fake in your opinion? Any country has the right to defend itself by all means, especially if the threat was made by a country like Iran. In my opinion a true enemy cannot be defeated, and the real enemy is war itself.
One best predicts future behavior by past actions–precedents. Ahmedinajed is actually considered a moderate within the framework of the Iranian political structure. Moreover, his past statements have been grossly misconstrued by outside and unfriendly sources. Looking at Israel's past actions: unilateral invasions and continuing occupations, strangling the economic, social and political life in the Palestinian occupied lands, does not conjure up an inviting conclusion about the nature of the Israeli state.
Of course they are an allie you dumb fuck. Who else do they have? Everyone has always hatted them, and why? cuze they curcumsize ther dicks. Suprize!! mine is too.And I am not even baptized, I am athiast. So get that into ya. and iran sould get a nuke into them for good measure.they are so interested in them, we will show them one LOL
AMERIKA SUCKS MUSLIM COCK.
What kind of Muslim are you? you make it look bad and your in the wrong path among going to hell. Thanks for being such a great Muslim.
THIS IS VERY SAD INDEED TO SEE THE IRANIAN – ISRAELI SITUATION DEGRESS TO THE POINT OF A POTENTIAL ARMED CONFLICT SITUATION DEVELOPING. PERHAPS A RFEVIEW OF HISTORY REALLY IS DEMANDED AND REQUIRED AT THIS TIME, WHEN WORLD PEACE IS SO BADLY NEEDED/ A FEW POINTS TO CONSIDER IN THIS REGARD:
1. IRAN HAS SUFFERED FROM IMMENSELY BEING CATEGORIZED AS THE "ENEMY ROUGE NATION OF THE WORLD" SO TO SPEAK – OF THE USA AND THE WESTEREN NATIONS AT LARGE SINCE THE 1979 REVOLUTION. IRAN'S VIEW OF THE WORLD IS COLORED AND TEMPERED BY THEIR OWN REALITY – BEING LEFT WITH AN ANTAGONISTIC ANTI-WESTERN NATION ISLAMIC CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT SINCE THE SHAH'S DEPARTURE AND DEATH THEREAFTER. KHOMENINI NOW DEAD AND GONE TOO, WITH A COUPLE OF IMPROVED LEADERS INBETWEEN, INCLUDING THE REFORMIST RAPHSANJANI AND HIS SUCCESSOR – THE LATTER CREDITED WITH OPENING THE DOOR A LITTLE TO THE WEST – EUROPE AND A LITTLE BIT TO THE US WAS AND STILL REMAINS CONSIDERED AS TERRIFIC PROGRESS TOWARDS IMPROVED RELATIONS WITH THE WEST. HOWEVER, THE USA FAILED TO SEE THE OPENING DURING THE PREVIOUS BUSH AND CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS, BUT AGAIN PERHAPS THE EUROPEANS COULD HAVE DONE MORE TOWARDS THIS END ALSO..
2. THE CURRENT LEADER, WHO NAME IS TOO LONG TO MENTION – MOST PEOPLE CAN NOT PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY, APPEARS ON THE IRANIAN LEADERSHIP STAGE AS SOMETHING OF A RUSSIAN TRROWBACK TO IRAN'S 1979 REVOLUTION AND INITIALLY IS COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY REJECTED BY THE USA BUT TOLERATED BY THE LEADERSHIP OF EUROPE FOR THE MOST PART, WITH CRITICISM BEING SOMEWHAT NON-EXISTENT.
3. IRAN'S NUCLEAR ENERGY RESEARCH ADD'S FUEL TO THE FIRE AND PRETTY MUCH MAKES RELATIONS WITH THE USA IMPOSSIBLE TO REMEDY BEYOND A SORT OF COLD WAR STAND-OFF. THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT WAS HUMILATED IMMENSELY ON AMERICAN TELEVISION BY NEW YORK JOURNALIST, WHICH INCLUDES PARTICIPATION AND INFLUENCE FROM NEW YORK JEWS. ONE COULD CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS WHY THE SNUBBING AND RIDICULE WAS SOMEWHAT HARSH. THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT MAY BE FROM ANTAGONISTIC COUNTRY FOR THE US, BUT IS STILL RESPECTED IN EUROPE REGARDLESS IF HE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO THEM OR NOT ON FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES. HOWEVER, IT WAS STATED ON CNN NEW OR SOME AMERICAN NEW SHOW RECENTLY, I FORGET THE EXACT NAME, BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS STATED THAT THE BRITISH GET A LOT OF THEIR PETROLEUM FROM IRAN. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT NONETHELESS.
4. THE UN INSPECTION OF IRAN NUCLEAR FACILITIES HAS SOMEHOW LED TO ISRAELI STATEMENTS ABOUT WAR THIS SPRING AGAINST IRAN'S NUCLEAR ARSENAL. REGARDLESS OF THE OPINIONS FOR AND AGAINST IRAN'S NUCLEAR RESEARCH PROGRAM, ISRAEL IS NOT A BIG COUNTRY AND IS LIKELY TO BE RETALIATED AGAINST VERY BADLY. A PRATICAL POSITION OF PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS AND SACTIONS WHEN APPROPRIATE, AS WELL AS KEEPING THEM AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND OTHERS TO MAINTIAN PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WAY TO PROCEED. OBVIOUSLY, ISRAEL'S POSITION LACKS CLARITY OF THOUGHT AND LACKS ANY CONCERN ABOUT PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WORLD AT LARGE.
5. LAST POINT:
IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT THE IDIOTS OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY THE WORLD LEADERS OF WHOM THIS STATEMENT IS APPROPRIATE, BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WILL WHEN A NUCLEAR WAR – NO ONE WINS A NUCLEAR WAR – IT WILL KILL ALL THAT IS LIVING ON THE EARTH, ACCORDING TO THE SCIENTISTS OF THE WORLD MOSTLY, BECAUSE A NUCLEAR CLOUD WILL COVER THE EARTH AND KILL EVERYTHING ALIVE. A GOOD POSSIBLE DECRIPTION, ACCORDING TO A NOW DECEASED SCIENTIST FOR NASA, AT CAPE CANAVERAL, FLORIDA OF THE EARLY 1960'S TIME PERIOD, IS THE BOOK ENTITLED "ON THE BEACH", WHOSE AUTHOR'S NAME ESCAPES ME AT THE MOMENT. THE BOOK DESCRIBES WHAT COULD HAPPEN – A POSSIBLE SCENARIO IF A NUCLEAR WAR WERE TO HAPPEN. IN THE BOOK'S SCENARIO OF A POSSIBLE END OF THE WORLD FUTURE SCENE, THERE IS ONLY AUSTRALIA LEFT AS THE NUCLEAR CLOUD SLOWLY ENCROACHES UPON THEM AND EVENTUALLY ALL WHO ARE LEFT IN AUSTRALIA DIE. A ROMANCE BETWEEN A NAVAL OFFICER AND A YOUNG WOMEN, BOTH WHO HAVE LOST THEIR FAMILIES DESCRIBES HOW HUMANS MIGHT DEAL WITH SUCH AN END ABOUT TO UNFOLD. THE NAVAL OFFICER MAKES ONE LAST TRIP TO THE USA VIA HIS SUBMARINE AND SEES AND DOCUMENTS THAT ALL IS DEAD THERE. HE RETURNS TO AUSTRALIA AND HE AND THE LADY PREPARE FOR THE END. THE LADY BEGINS TO HAVE UNCONTROLLABLE DISINTARY. THE BOOKS ENDS AS THESE TWO CHARACTERS DIE WITH EACH OTHER. THE NAVAL ADMIRAL ENTERS IN HIS LAST LOG FOR HIS CREW AND SUBMARINE. AND THATS THE END.
I WAS 17 WHEN I FIRST READ THE BOOK IN HIGHSCHOOL FOR ONE OF MY ENGLISH CLASSES. I DID A SENIOR RESEARCH THESIS PAPER ON THE " MANHATTEN PROJECT" DURING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMAN'S ADMINSTRATION, WHICH ILLUSTRATED HOW LITTLE HE REALLY KNEW ABOUT THE ATOMIC BOMB RESEARCH AND ITS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ITS CONSEQUENCES. WE CERTAINLY KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, AS THE WORLD CONDEMED THE UNITED STATES FOR THESE WAR ACTS OF INHUMANESNESS BEYOND IMAGINATION.
I WAS A STUDENT AS AN UNDERGRAD AT UF IN GAINSESVILLE, FLORIDA FROM 1982 TO1985, MAJORING IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND HAD A WORKSTUDY JOB AT THE NUCLEAR CHEMISTRY DEPARTMENT AT UF 30 HOURS A WEEK AS A SECRETARY – WORDPROCESSOR FOR 2 NUCLEAR CHEMISTRY PROFESSORS AT UF. ONE OF THEM STATED WHEN I ASK IF ANYONE WOULD SURVIVE A NUCLEAR WAR. HIS ANSWER WAS WELL PERHAPS A POCKET OF AIR WOULD SURVIVE ENOUGH FOR PLASMA OR A TINY PLANT TO LIVE UNDERGROUND DEEP, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD PROBABLY DIE INSTANEOUSLY AS THE NUCLEAR CLOUD COVERS THE EARTH.
IN KNOWING THE ABOVE, I WENT ON TO HAVE SOME IRANIAN FRIENDS AT UF AND LATER AS A GRAD STUDENT AT UM IN CORAL GABLES, FL, THE SAME, WHO HAD GOTTEN STUCK HERE AT THE TIME OF THE IRANIAN REVOLUTION IN 1979, WHEN THEY WERE ALREADY STUDYING HERE AS STUDENTS, HAVING COME TO THE USA DURIN THE LATE SHAH REGIME'S TIME PERIOD. I MAJORED IN INTERNAITONAL RELATIONS (STUDIES) AND RECEIVED A MASTERS AND COMPLETED 8 YEARS OF PH.D.STUDIES PASSING THE PH.D. EXAMS BY MAY 1997. I NEVER COMPLETED THE PH.D. DUE TO SENSITIVIEY ABOUT THE PH.D. RESEARCH TOPIC CONCERNING THE INTERNATIONAL DRUG TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. HOWEVER, OVER MANY YEARS OF TIME, HAVING SEEN THE IRANIANS HERE HOPE AND PRAY FOR PEACE IN IRAN AND A IRAN'S RETURN TO BEING A RESPECTED NATION IN THE WORLD, UNDERSTANDING THE LARGE NUMBER OF IRANIANS IN EUROPE WHO WANT THE SAME, AS WELL AS IN IRAN, IT IS BEYONG MY IMAGINATION AS TO WHY IRAN HAS CHOSEN TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR RESEARCH, WHEN THEY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED THEIR PETROLEUM RESEARCH AND THE HYDROELECTRIC DAM RESEARCH – A PROJECT BUILT DURING THE LATE SHAH'S TIME. I SAW A PICTURE OF AT THE UM LIBRARY BACK IN THE 1980'S – QUITE AN ACHIEVEMENT.
HOWEVER, I MUST STATE THAT DESPITE THE IDIOTCRACY OF IRAN'S CHOICES, IT HAS BEEN THE BRITISH AND SAUDI ARABIA ETC, INCLUDING OTHER EUROPEAN NATIONS WHO HAVE HAD THE MOST INTERACTION HISTORICALLY WITH IRAN AND WHO HAVE THE MOST INFLUENCE. SO WHY ARE THEY NOT SPEAKING OUT???? WHY DON'T THE BRITISH ADRESS THE ISSUE????
I BELIEVE THAT IF ISRAEL AND ANY JEWISH AMERICAN SUPPORTERS BELIEVE THAT THE US WILL JUMP THE GUN AN D GET INVOLVED IN THIS CONFRONTATION DESCRIBED BY CNN AND OTHER NEWS AGENCY, THEY WILL BE SADLY MISTAKENED. THE US MADE THE MISTAKE OF BEFRIENDING IRAN AND WAS BLAMED FOR THE 1979 REVOLUTION AND OVERTROW OF THE SHAR OF IRAN TO SOME EXTENT. I DON'T THINK THE US WILL MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE BY JUMPING THE GUN ON THIS ONE. ISRAEL MAY BE PLACING THEMSELVES OUT THERE ON A LIMB AND WILL BE THERE BY THEMSELVES, IF THEY ARE NOT CAREFUL AND RETRACK TOWARDS PROMOTING A PATH OF PEACH AND NOT WAR.
II STATE THIS CRITICISM, I PRAY THAT IRAN WILL OPEN IT EYES TO THE REAL REALITIES OF THE NUCLEAR CONSEQUENCES, DESCRIBED HERE AND I HOPE THE EUROPEAN NATIONS, ESPECAILLY ENGLAND WILL DO MORE TO GUIDE IRAN IN A MORE POSSITIVE AND MORE EDUCATED AND INFORMED DIRECTION, INSTEAD OF ALLOWING FOR THIS SORT OF LOW LEVEL WAR RHETORIC TO CONTINUE AND TO PREVENT ITS ESCALATION FOR PEACE SAKE ITSELF. MAYBE THE BRISTISH ARE SUPPORTING THE NUCLEAR RESEARCH, WHO KNOWS. I KNOW THAT POSITIVE RESEARCH IS SOMETHING THAT GOES ON, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE EUROPEANS HAVE BEEN ASLEEP TOO LONG ON THIS ONE. BUT TO THINK THAT THE USA WILL INTERVENE EARLY ON IS PROBABLY A EVEN BIGGER MISTAKE ON THE ISRAELI'S PART. EVERY TIME I THINK MY STATEMENTS MAY BE TOO STRONG, I REMEMBER THE BOOK "ON THE BEACH" . I INVITE THE IRANIANS TO READ THE BOOK AS WELL AS THE EUROPEANS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ANONYMOUS. 2/5/2012 A COPY TO A FRIEND IN PARIS, FRANCE AND IRAN.
It would be nice if all nations repudiated nuclear weapons. But that is not the case. The US, Israel, have no intention of destroyed their nuclear arsenals. Israel tacitly uses its nuclear stockpile to intimidate its neighbors and to demonstrate its superior bargaining position vis a vis the Palestinians. The US uses its military might to invade other nations with whom it has disagreements. Iraq shares a border with Iran. The US military occupation there, which hasn't quite yet ended, serves to put Iran on notice that it disagrees with US aims at its peril.
For these reasons I cannot in good conscience criticize Iran if it chooses to acquire nuclear weapons. A nuclear arsenal will serve as a deterrence to those who might otherwise try to effect regieme change through military force. A nuclear Iran will also level the playing field between Israel and its neighbors, including Palestine. That, in my opinion, is a very good thing.
Iran has no intentions of acquiring nuclear weapons. The Ayatollah AND their president promised us. Are you calling them liars?
However, you forget that Iran is a signatory to the NPT and is therefore prohibited from developing a nuclear weapon.
You forget that the idea of Mutually assured destruction, and deterrence, only works if there are rational actors, and at this point it may not be safe to assume that Ahmadinejad is a rational actor.
RE: Lopez. One can infer, or not, rationality based on past behavior. Iran's past behavior with regard to foreign policy compares quite favorably to Israel's. Iran has not repeatedly invaded and occupied neighboring countries. Iran does not conduct surgical strikes on its enemies. However, Israel does these things.
RE: Eric. However, Iran has made open threats against the existence of Israel, and with WMD's would have the capabilities to do so.
RE: Lopez. It is disingenuous to argue that Iran's statements about the invalidity of the existence of Israel, and that the country will soon come to end equates to threatening to violently destroy Israel. Iran, like just about all Arab countries believes, with a great deal of justification, that the process that led to the establishment of Israel in 1947 was an example of Great Power politics in which the Palestinians received the short end of the stick.
Iran has not said nor done anything to give an objective observer cause to believe Iran would initiate an unilateral attack on Israel.
Furthermore, it is quite troubling that you seem to willingly put yourself out as an advocate or spokesman for Israel. Presumably, you are an American and should be more concerned with American interests than in Israeli interests.
I am far more concerned about a country like Israel possessing nuclear weapons than I am about Iran. Israel, judging by its past behavior, initiates unilateral aggression. However, Iran has no past practice of engaging in this type of behavior.
Curtis, you have courage and principles. I admire you.
is "big israel" such a great friend and ally of the U.S. ? I wonder.
Israel is and will always be an ally of the US.
The relation between Israel and US is parasitic
An ally whose biggest Inntelligence target is USA; an ally who just wants US to go to war. Seriously what do they really bring to the table other than trouble.
Stability and a model of democracy for the middle east
the (isreali) jews are an evil evil people. They converted to jewism not that long before ww2 from russian orthidox catholoism, they are as (simitic) at a natice american, and have no legal claims to the land they occupy. They only have the land because the brits and the americans gave it to them, (stolen from jorden)
How long have you been insane?
Killings are a joy to them. They watched it as if a cat and mice was fighting in the Lebanon war.
Come on guys, really? Could you try to look at this without an American, Israeli, or Arab bias? I admit that I support Israel if they decide to attack Iran, but i am biased being I am Jewish, and thus it is only my opinion, and only an opinion. Just try to look at what is going on while forgetting about your previous ideas about Israel, Iran, or America.
well that got posted twice by accident, oh well
Welll I am cut but am not a jew. Besides that of course we are beside them in this. iran does not need nukes, no way no how. And if thet are so intersested in them we will show them one.Not one of our best , but an old rusty one. Still has a good bang to it thou. LOL just ask Japan about them!!
so, you are behind a blantant terrorist state haveing nukes (isreal) but you are against the nation that the west has f-ed for 40 years haveing them? You are a hypocrite.
Really guys? Try to look at this without an extreme American, Israeli, Arab, or any other view bias. I admit that I happen to support Israel, but i also admit that is most likely because i am an American Jew, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. So just try to think about this without incorporating your own personal thoughts about Iran, Israel, or the American government and its foreign relations...policies
Above there was someone who stated all US military capabilities and then one under stated about how can we not win wars with our "mighty" US military. The answer is not in the military, because when it comes to military standpoint, neither Vietnam, Iraq, Extremist in other countries whether in Europe, Asia, or the middle east has militarily won. Whether our wanna go by death of soldiers, area taken, the US military wins in those categories. Where the US becomes weaker is the will of the American people. I'm not saying I'm all for war, but when your own country is in a war, support by the public back at home is a HUGE factor. WW1 and WW2 for instance, American support at home was beyond any before, and those wars ended in less then 10 years combined. American nationalism has decreased each year, and with this the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying in the world wars was less worse then the 5000 dying in recent wars.
That Iran wants to wipe Israel from the map is a big lie. Ahmadinejad has never told that. We are lied to for years. And I see they are repeating the same lies again here. Anybody who has doubt about it should watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E&feature=endscreen&NR=1 He proposed a democratic solution to the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. But they want to keep us scared of Iran. But why?
But why?
Read "The Israel Lobby" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
Iranian leaders have repeated stated that the Zionist entity should be wiped off the page of history which has been translated by the official state TV translators as meaning wiped off the face of the earth.
They have repeatedly stated that the Zionist entity is a cancer that has to be destroyed along with other obscene references.
The weak attempt by apologists to reinterpret Iranian intentions is morally corrupt and can only be explained by irrational hatred of Israel rather than any affinity to the Islamic Republic, especially when they work for Press TV.
I've got an idea. Let's have a free and open debate on CNN, or any other network, presenting both sides of America's support of Israel in this situation and others. Nothing but the experts discussing the facts. And let Americans decide. I have never seen this type of debate in the American media, but I see it everywhere else I travel. And for some reason we are the only country in the world who supports Israel. Could there be a connection?
Israel has full right to defend itself. By sitting here way far from Middle east we can not understand thier problems. Israeli are great people. The Way Iran is behaving is not acceptable. They should be stop and punish by Israeli forces.
your blindness cannot cannot overcome your ignorance...
In terms of international politics, Isreal is a pit bull on a leash. America holds the leash and uses Isreal as a proxy. Does anybody remember Iraq's attempt at nuclear weapons? Six Isreali F-15s and "boom" -problem solved.
Americans: Ever wonder why Israel isn't worried about how war will affect their oil supply?? Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.
Isn't putting the interests of another country above the interest of the United States treasonous?
If not. what is treason?
To disobey Israel. Why do you think Obama dances nakedly with the Israeli tunes?
Could that be because of the results of the Yom Kippur war? On 6 October 1973, Egypt launched the October (Yom Kippur) War to recapture the peninsula, which was the site of fierce fighting between Egyptian and Israeli forces. In 1982, after the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty of 1979, Israel withdrew from the entirety of Sinai. The Sinai has oil deposits and these wer given up by Israel in return for peace. Would it not have been in the interest of peace in the region for the US to agree that for this concession, Israel deserved a guarantee that oil blackmail could not be used against them? They gave of land (and oil) for peace and if that was the cost, it was worth the price.
“They gave of land (and oil) for peace and if that was the cost, it was worth the price.”
The deal was made to isolate Egypt from the Palestinians. Since then, Egypt has extorted 3 billion dollars from American taxpayers each year for over 30 years to “keep the peace.” In current dollars that’s over $100 billion. Yet, there have been multiple wars in the region. Hezbollah was founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and Hamas was formed in 1987 by Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. These organizations replaced Egypt in support of the Palestinian people. There has been no peace in the Middle East, and none will occur as long as Palestinian lands are occupied by Israel.
The USA must rid itself of this warmongering parasite called Israel, before it drags US into a nuclear war!
yhe profecies are real , ISRAEL WILL BE IN TE MAP , those who hate Israel , are cursed
thomas you arab lover..............firset of all go ****** your self. secondly go and some syrian people before you speak about israel.
AIPAC controls USA economically and politically. History repeats itself. Situation is similar to Germany after the first world war. Everyone knows how it ended.
The CNN Pentagon correspondent has “missed” the Israeli option of strikes conducted by Jericho Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBM), lethal enough to penetrate Iranian S-300PMU-1 Surface-to Air Missile (SAM) defences and accurate enough to target and decimate Iranian nuclear facilities with penetrating conventional warheads.
The drone is certainly not a viable option.
Sayan.
The US has been preparing for this moment for over 10 years. Just take a look at the map: What two countries share large borders with Iran? Iraq and Afghanistan. And we wonder why Iran would want nukes? Really? REALLY?
Pakistan is more of a problem that Afghanistan or Iraq. Why didn't we invade them? Nukes. Why do we even give a rat's arse about N. Korea? Nukes. What is the lesson here?
@Buddhabill, the reason for not targeting Pakistan and North Korea is political, in Pakistan’s case political opportunism/misplaced faith.
The North Korean nascent nuclear arsenal or Pakistani “clustered” ones can be “obliterated” if necessary. Both the aforesaid nations lack effective delivery mechanisms, especially in face of robust ATBM defences.
Sayan.
If Israel bombs Iran then they need to be on their own and not involve the US.
The US needs to focus on our own country at the moment and fixing its problems.
Israel needs to know that the majority of the US does NOT support you and all the problems you bring with you.
@ME, as you type your words, United States Navy (USN) AEGIS Cruisers and Destroyers patrolling the Mediterranean Sea (in fact patrolling 24 x 7) to provide an additional layer of Anti-Tactical Ballistic Missile (ATBM) defence to the Israeli homeland.
In Middle East the symbiotic interests of Israel and United States are firmly entwined.
Sayan.
I'm aware that the US gov't supports Israel. Our government has many Jews among them.
I meant that the American people would not support Israel if they dragged us into another war.
It is interesting to note that the most powerful Russian navy unit, a strike carrier carrying Mach 2 jump jets arrived at the Russian Naval base in Syria three weeks ago. These Russian Planes and also the US Aegis cruisers missiles could under certain scenarios intercept an Israeli strike. During the 1956 Suez crisis the crew of the RNZN cruiser Royalist did not know prior to the Israeli invasion of Sinai whether they were there to counter Israeli Mirages or Egypts soviet supplied Badgers and Bears. The Royalist at the time was an important RN AD picket ship partly manned by the RN.
In terms of the threat to Isreal of Iran becoming nuclear armed it should be noted it is obviously Irans intention and within 3 years a sophisticated arsenal of fast medium range nuclear armed missiles would be aimed at Israel which armed with continued UK and US army downsizing and general capability reductions would put great pressure on the maintenance of Israels settlement. Obama Clinton policies are generally aimed at reversing settlements and the US Administration is furthur to the left than Bill Clintons. The real purpose of any Israel air strike will be to precipitate a much more powerful US follow up and avoid a repeat of the Bay of Pigs. There is therefore unlikely to be any prior notice.
Just watch Goldman Sachs. When they start bidding-up oil futures, you can be assured that bombs will soon be a-falling...
To people who love starting wars, pick up a damn gun and stand the post! or better yet, sign up a family member to do so!
I am sure the politician will think twice if they had to send their kids over. Wars are always between a governments and NOT the people. Most people don't have a problem with one another if their damn governments don't fill people's heads with their own agenda. No one wins in a war, NO ONE!
Given the opportunity, I would fight for Israel.
Armies always need cannon fodder.
and i would do anything to stop the BULLY the U.S. that is
im a white non muslim canadian and its time for everybody around the world
to stand and fight those gready pigs(U.S)by all means with all option(military)
the U.S army do not serve is peaple but big coorporation
while its governement rob is own peaple
lye and brainwashed their citizen about threat from others country
the U.S. is the no 1 terrorist country in the world
I would fight for Israel as well!
Enjoy dying for nothing.
@Megan, almost every Israeli household can boast of more than one (military) Service Personal.
Sayan.
This CNN writer is WARMONGERING... typical MSM setup...
IRAN IS NOT A THREAT TO ISRAEL, according to Israel's TOP INTELLIGENCE CHIEFS!!!! ( http://www.salon.com/2012/01/19/the_smear_campaign_against_cap_and_media_matters_rolls_on/singleton/ )
1) Tamir Pardo, the current chief of the Israeli Mossad, who recently rejected the claim that Iranian nuclear weapons would pose an existential threat to Israel; ( http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/29/395711/mossad-israel-iran-existential-threat/?mobile=nc )
2) ex-Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy (“[Iran is] far from posing an existential threat to Israel“; instead, domestic radicalization in Israel “poses a bigger risk than Ahmadinejad” because “ultra-Orthodox extremism has darkened our lives”; he added: “The State of Israel cannot be destroyed. An attack on Iran could affect not only Israel, but the entire region for 100 years”); ( http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4143909,00.html )
3) ex-Mossad chief Meir Dagan (“a future Israel Air Force attack on Iranian nuclear facilities was ‘the stupidest thing I have ever heard”);
( http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/former-mossad-chief-israel-air-strike-on-iran-stupidest-thing-i-have-ever-heard-1.360367 )
4) Israeli Defense Minister Barak (“Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel”).
( http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-barak-says-iran-is-not-existential-threat-to-israel-1.7710 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt3_CrF6GAM&feature=related
hmmmm.... I would like the opportunity to talk with the President of Iran myself.
Do I have to be rich and famous to get an interview?
If Israel strikes Iran then it would be catastrophic for the region. We might see al-Assad's Syria respond by attacking Israel, along with Hezbollah and perhaps even Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Israeli intelligence officials have even said that 200,000 missiles are aimed at Israel at any given time, so this could end very badly. As for Iran's response, well I doubt they'd just sit back. No, they would respond in kind, launching missiles at Israel and at key oil facilities in the Gulf region, thus driving oil prices up which would be extremely harmful to Western economies. Further, they may attack American interests in Iraq and exert influence there and in Afghanistan. An attack on Iran would not be good, they are a regional power that is growing. This is why Panetta said that Israel might attack Iran within 3-5 months: It is to dissuade Israel.
Why the hissy fits???? Israel blew up and destroyed Iraq's weapons facility years ago and nobody blinked!!! Panetta and the new Anti-Israel Democrats are trying to set Israel up.
Suppose Israel DO attack Iran in 3-5 months [because after that it will be TOO LATE to stop their nuclear programme] America, Russia, China and the Arab world will condemn and shout a bit but they'll all be relieved – they know Iran is a loose canon.
Suppose they DON'T attack Iran before the deadline and they produce nuclear weapons? [Because Panetta – the mouth on legs – has compromised them] I hope you thank Panetta, when Iran aims the first device at Israel and the SECOND at you – the great satan!
Is there no integrity at all in this administration?
Israel, I understand is stocking about 200 nuclear warheads, maybe more. Would Iran, with one or two, attack israel? That is foolishness. All these people beating the drums of war need to remember the way we were led into an unneccesary war with iraq. Colin Powell, in his quiet moments, must still be mad at those who used his good reputation, to sell the case for war at the UN.
Ok, suppose Iran makes 1 and points to Israel, what do u think will happen? Israel has 200 of them ... So.?
In the UK we don t want this messy war.
It would take just one Russian built Sunburn missile to take out an aircraft carrier in the strait so Hormus.
To blow up nuclear powere stations would cause many thousands of deaths from radioactive fallout for hundreds of years after. We like the Jewish people. But there is a dark side to. Zionism that is pervading the lives of Israelis and leading them to their own destruction.
I disagree, it is to send a message to Iran that the time for playing games is soon over, and give them time to change their behavior. What happens to Iran with be the Mullah's own decision, and I hope for the sake of the young people of Iran who desire freedom and democracy that a war can be averted.
The choice is Iran's, at least in my opinion.
Why do you think you need to send a signal to Iran?? Why do you want to change Iran's behaviour?? Who are you?? Sorry I didn't get
your absolutely right Kory,here's a scenario.what happens folks if Israel attacks first(i don't see any U.N. resolution giving the green light for this action) Iran responds defensibly an starts to pummel the one military aggressor,how long before the U.S comes a runnin to the rescue.BAD IDEA,let them take a licking,they'll survive hopefully like a whipped dog (take some of the cockiness out of them) by the way the I.A.E.A. should go in and count the nukes the Israeli's have before the shit hits the fan. tick for tack
Isreal bombed Syria's suspected nuclear site last year and all we saw was before and after pictures and not a word from syria. Syrias hands are kinda busy right now.
Dear people ! grow up a bit !!
sitting in your home and saying BOMB IRAN is really showing how you americans are developed !!!
perhaps my development as an iranian , didnt come in a day , but in more than thousands of year civilization and history and culture , as the oldest country in the world , full of amazing art, culture,poetry and ...
so stop insulting others , stop hating others !! be educated , be developed !!!
what the regime of iran is doing now is not representating iranians at all !!! they are also some type of arabs who got the power in iran !!! thats all !!!
and you americans ! whatever iranian regime is now !!! bad or good , it is made in USA !!! oh , noo? opsss ... i didnt know you dont know it , or you dont believe it ?? so stop talking ,go and search more ,, about revolution in 1979 !! about fall of SHAH (king) and .... !!! but , the world will soon know it , maybe thats one of the reasons usa doesnt want the regime to fall , because the world will understand it was made in usa , uk and some western powers , also , if iranian regime goes down , who can they blame next ? what is their excuese to stay in the middle east ?
oh guys , grow up !!! iran is not iraq , i am iranian , i know it well , they dont show what they have !! war with iran wont be so easy like with iraq !! i know that you know it , but far more than what you think...
please !! stop war !!! many iranians will die !! and many americans !!! or israeiliss..
politicians will never die in war , they arent afraid of war !!! specially iranian politicians !! they have many plans for you , be wiser , and think...
im an iranian and i can say iranians are really peace-loving people !!
but i think 3 regimes in this world should disappear , regime of israeil,iran,usa !! then there can be peace in the world !!!
Please "educate" everyone reading on how the current Iranian regime was "made in the USA". Just because there was a power vacuum after the fall of the Shah doesn't justify deflecting blame from the Iranian people which allowed Shah's regime to be replaced with something that though different, is just as bad. In addition, where did you hear the U.S. is not seeking regime change in Iran? Finally, few Americans (if any) and no Israelis will die if the U.S. conducts surgical strikes to put Iran's nuclear weapons program back 5-10 years. No Iranians that are not involved in the development of Iran's nuclear weapons program will die and even the ones that are could be spared if they dropped what they were doing and made themselves scarce in the vicinity of selected known "targets".
Man up Buzzer and admit it, USA, Britain and Europe have been making and breaking world leaders to suit their own agendas for years!
Made in America because the US and the West was propping up the Shah a corrupt self interested dictator that most Iranians didnt want. The west put him in power. When the people revolted against him they also were revolting against the US.
I am an American and I tell you I don't want war with Iran, Or North Korea. I also didnt agree with George Bush's envading Irag. That said, There is one thing that puzzles me about the peacful people in Iran, Why do you let theocrats rule your educated society, I think it is long past time to blame your 1979 revolution on the U.S. and UK. Whats with the threatening of closing the Gulf of Hormuz and telling the world about your peaceful intentions for Nuculear Energy and build secret Nuculear Labs. Deny UN nuculear inspectors access to Nuculear Resesrch Facilities. Your Goverment threatens the Israiles with destruction and will wipe them off the face of the map! Threaten our Air Craft carriers with harm for transiting international waters. What do you expect. After the fall of the Shah remember how many American embassy people you held hostage. If we didn't go to war then why now?
What do you do if a foreign country send their warships close to your borders, or they attack to your passenger airplane(US vincent navy killed 281 Iranian passengers of an airplane over Persian Gulf in June 1988), or change your democratic government by a dictator one by a coup(1951) or support your enemy to attack your country, kill your scientists and always threats you, put sanction on your passenger airplanes, and doesn't allow your to export your oil. do you believe even if Iran answers to the all UN's questions, the US will remove the sanctions and pressures? for sure not. Iran has a great history and has survived from more dangerous wars that WWI and WWII. Iran also has helped Jewish people in the history. Like you I hate war, but if it come to me I just say welcome.
To answer your question: Its simple. The brutal regime of Iran will slaughter anyone standing up to it, civilians or otherwise. You are talking guns vs. rocks. As long as the movement in Iran is not supported by a solid leadership and more weapon is people's hands, this "cancerous" regime is not going any where.
I lived in Iran during the era of the Shah when Iran had good relations with both the US and Israel. My sense is that the current regime in Iran needs Israel and the US to deflect from their internal problems. So their focus is the Palestinian cause, etc.
The youth of Iran, those born after the Islamic revolution in 1979 are not politically driven. They want some of the basic freedoms in the west - going to coffee shops, listening to music, dating, dancing, equal treatment of men and women. These examples (and there are many more) have nothing to do with Israel and the US.
As a consequence, many of the educated and professionals are leaving Iran - the move often prompted by women.
For these basic reasons, the Islamic government in Iran will have to evolve to be more open. The alternative is a counter revolution - form inside Iran - a revolution that cannot be stopped even by a successful nuclear program.
I agree with what you said. There is one constant problem that affects all of our countrys, we all have retards in power.
....Why wait....the more you wait...the more they will get nuke done sooner....so strike now......
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes in the 1980's.
Furthermore, Pakistan was allowed to develop nukes and look at how they behave and harbor terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes. All this anti Israeli Jew hate talk is stupid. Israel is not only going to protect themselves by doing this, they are protecting all of you at the same time. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off!!!!!!
tell the israelis we say thanks, good one. But we are not going to war with you this time. If you choose to attack iran, you do so on your own. good luck with the whole thing but you are a foreign country. not our problem.
Amen! Who died the made Israel the police of the region? we don't want another war, we don't need another war!
you and megan are complete imbisiles. wait until a dirty iranian bomb hits your back yard; it'll be too late for yo ass then you naive idiots!
Israel should save their blood and freaken nuke iran off the face of the planet. Cheaper and much more effective. Winds would then blow eastward toward North Korea and hit 2 birds with 1 stone.
us man – you are not a man. Far from it. Instead, you are a chicken shit, chicken hawk, misogynistic paranoiac who appears to enjoy living in fear.
Oh, I almost forgot; you're stupid, ignorant and racist as well.
@usman : I am guessing you are a Nazi loving, war monger hillbilly. Any time you feel like you want to start a war, pick up a gun and go stand the post or send you kids to the front line. The day we get rid of your type, is the day the rest of us will live in peace and harmony.
first of all, just because a person is anti-israel doesn't mean their anti-jewish. and second of all , israel has been a big problem for many countries and people and i love how u guys act so tough when u have the US at ur back. but actually u guys wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the western countries and also stop trying to make an argument about how israel is doing the world a favor by attacking iran. btw israel claiming to attack is the sign that they are scared. even if they acctualy do it , israel will be makin many more enemies
BAN -What a crock! Israel were tough after 1948 when your country [America] and my country [Britain] sold Israel down the river and backed the arabs for OIL.
Many Palestinian farmers in Israel worked side by side with Isrealis but the arabs under the Grand Mufti ordered all Palestinians out of the Israeli area against their wishes. The ones who wanted to stay were dragged out and their farms burnt by their own – the arabs.
It was years before the Americans offered Israel aid and THAT was only because they knew that with extra arms Israel were tough enough to keep the arabs in line and AMERICA could have unlimited oil.
So Sonny Jim don't ever say the Israeli's need YOU. It was YOU who needed them. And talking about tough , could YOU live with hundreds of missiles aimed at you and attacks on your citizens on a daily basis????
Streuth, you lot wet your collective pants when you have an orange alert!!!!!!!!!!
Jon – I have to say it; what a superb post , best of the day. You said exactly what I wanted to say but using half the words I would have used. Cheers.
I hope this war stars soon.
Our 'heroes' need more civilians to urinate on.
Too bad that this time the US will need so many ground troops that the draft will probably be enacted. Good luck with that.
Israel Drops White Phosphorus Bombs on Lebanese women and children.
Jawad Najem, a surgeon at the hospital, said patients admitted Sunday had burns from phosphorous incendiary weapons used by Israel. The Geneva Conventions ban using white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas. Israel doesn't care though. They don't have and rules to follow like the rest of the vorld.
~~~http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072506A.s html
*yawn*
piling on more and more lies won't make it true.
Israel has never targeted civilians on purpose not to mention using WP against them.
WP is being used in smoke screens to disguise movement, if Israel wanted to kill Lebanese civilians it could
do it with ease with your run-of-the-mill ammunition and weapons.
As for Lebanese people suffering – get a grip on your rampant cancerous terror organization Hezbollah and you won't have to.
http://www . youtube . com/watch?v=bIy2L5uI9P8
deal with the aftermath of its provocations.
hezbollah sends rockets into civilian areas. israel retaliates and you quote a hezbollah dr that israel has acted badly as if it were true. are you serious?
This is the chicken and the egg thing. You did it first, no, you did it first. It's sad that as humans with all our advances, we still can't rise above the hatred for one another. We are all the same, and yet think so far apart.
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes in the 1980's.
Furthermore, Pakistan was allowed to develop nukes and look at how they behave and harbor terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes. All this anti Israeli Jew hate talk is stupid. Israel is not only going to protect themselves by doing this, they are protecting all of you at the same time. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off!!!!!!!!!!!
8th of June 1967.... do your history lesson.... no need to travel look it up on line ! !
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty
Yet another idiot desperately trying to raise animosity between the US and Israel over a 40 years(!) old INCIDENT which has ZERO bearing on these two countries relations today.
Not gonna happen, moron.
the jews do not care about nobody els but themselves, They make millions of dollars of american economy while ordinary american loosing their houses due to forclosures, So please do'nt tell that the protect all of us, that really insulting my you know what.
Fact. I don't hate jews. We are all human so we are all capable of destroying like a virus. With that being said. History lesson. Jews/Zionist have been kicked out of just about every country in europe at some point in history. Countries have attempted to exterminate jews numerous times. Is there a link there somewhere? And for the nut that said that israel has and does not need our help? They were saved by hitler by the western world. Also they would not have that land that they all lost in the crusades if it were not for the western world. Now I have a question. How do you take a hated people out of a place where they are hated and then put them in a place where they are hated even more. Not smart thinking unless some things might have been planned. I'm not going to put links and sites on here for my facts. Just take the time to look it up. Those people in the middle east have been at war for 1000s of years. Do you think it is going to stop all of a sudden? Leave all of them alone and let them fight for 1000s of more years. We can't risk the lives, money or emotions on this.
Although Iran (they are not stupid) can well be deterred by an overwhelming US- and Israel nuclear capacity from using nuclear weapons, Israel is apparently against all reasonable advise on the way to provoke a situation which quite likely will draw the region into major bloody crisis. Sorry, but denouncing and calling respective comments stupid is unfair and immature at least.
All of us here and now seem to forget the fact that no matter what happens today , its the the future that matters...and
if your my age and by the grace of God you will have been long gone when the chaos of Countries come to the point
of no return... The ones who will die over our fight of words will be our sons and daughters or their sons and daughters , and when all is said and done will we have made our point ?....Or become a vile memory of the past....Pusan Pete
I am an Iranian. I think Israel is convincing USA into thinking of strike on Iran. It will be a bad mess, Although I do not like Iranian government, but I am defiantly sure they are really strong. Frankly they are as strong as USA in terms of military , so that's why any war strike on Iran might put people's lives at risk. Hope I don't see that moment, I would rather die than see people all over the world suffering from the consequences of war.
Dude, you have no clue. Iraq before the start of Gulf War one was stronger than Iran is today. I can't believe anyone (even the most mentally handicaped) would think that Iran is anywhere near as strong as the U.S. Hell the are in the same realm of strength as the South Africans. Get a clue.
Well. I am not sure but Its just my opinion. hopefully no war.
Sorry "MaX", "Jon" is right.
Go to http://www.globalsecurity.org/
There you can see the actual "strength" of all the world's military forces (numbers of planes, troops, ships, aircraft, etc.). Your homeland is still using 1960's era fighter planes and 1970's era technology. Ain't gonna beat ONE F-22 Raptor with 10 F-4 Phantoms or defeat an Ohio-class sub with a "couple" of German-designed subs.
All Iran's forces were videotaped for Iranian TV two weeks ago with Iran's generals and admirals talking about how "powerful" their forces are. Those speedboats they sent out to harass the U.S. Navy were lucky it's still PEACE time. *** ONE *** USMC AH-1G SeaCobra would've smoked ALL the boats seen in the video. SEAL Team 6 would've planted charges under the hulls of all those Iranian ships seen firing missiles and sunk them right at the piers before anybody aboard woke up the next morning.
And we woun't even get into what the U.S. Army would do to "goose-stepping" Republican Guards BEFORE they even got to the battlefield.
So, how come, with all this fabulous firepower, can't we win anything? 15 years against a nation of farmers (Vietnam) – lose.
10 years each against primitive Afghanistan and 'mighty' Iraq – lose.
Can't wait for the day when we actually pick a fight with someone who can actually fight back. Then we'll see some real casualties. the 5000 or so dead in 10 years will be 5000 in one month. Then we'll really hear some screaming.....
when the draft is re-instated and all you little gung-ho, John Wayne, war loving chickenhawk faggots, 'get sent for'.
Roy- How was the war in Vietnam conducted? ROE that handcuffed our military and a civilian leadership that didn't allow military commanders on the ground to do what needed to be done to "win"? The overwhelming majority or "toe-to-toe" battles/engagements in Vietnam resulted in a decisive U.S. victories. Gulf War (90-92') a "loss"? Really? On what planet? Iraq post 9/11? What regime is no longer in-place? How long did it take for the U.S. Military to soundly defeat Saddam's standing military? What became of Saddam? We lost Iraq? More like we give the Iraqi people a chance on their own to govern themselves and they are FAILING. Afghanistan? Same. The difficulties that the U.S. had and is having in Iraq and Afghanistan have NOTHING to do with the inadequacies of U.S. military firepower, technology and proficiency. You may want to go back a specifically define "lose" in the context of military capabilities vs policy and "nation building".
Does your "list" include the Russian and Chinese upgrades to their weaponry over the last 10 years? Don't look – it'll make your hair curl.
Hi "Max", I'm an Israeli. I hope you are who you claim you are.
Please, do all you can to bring down your insane government ,not only does it keeps your country in a state of a third world oppressive country where humans rights are being violated on a daily basis (something that sadly shares with most of the Arab world) but is also put Iranian citizens in the harms way by its Islamo-fascist inspirations. Israel has no quarrel with Iran other than the latter's perpetual hostile activities (like supporting terror organizations and radical anti-Israeli Islam all over the world) and threats. The last thing we Israelis wish a war but those religious zealots' actions don't leave us many choices. Nuclear power in the hands of the Ayatollah regime is a bad day for the entire world. Hell, even the Saudis know that...
Asa – you and MaX are a credit to your countries. You are both sincere and I'm sure you both represent the msjority of your countrymen.
Your comments are a lesson in good manners to many of the, shall we say , more forthright Americans on here.
For your sakes and for ours I hope this doesn't happen; or if it has to happen it will be localized and your people will be unharmed. Peace be with you.
Look war is not the trouble. The trouble is that you are dragging all Muslims in the conflicts. To Jews, all Muslims are terrorist. Most Muslims do not have an idea of who the Jews are? It is a problem. Israelis are trying to kill all Muslims. Is it possible? Is it a phase of 3rd WW? I urge all leaders to think now than later.
"you would rather die". i wouldn't and Im sure the israelis wouldn't. this is the problem the world faces, the muslim obsession with death as a reward for killing infidels. unlike Iraq where ground troops were necessary to secure the country,no one is interested in securing Iran. The shock and awe displayed in iraq will seem pale in comparison. Your belief that the Iranian military aided by hezbollah, hamas and whoever else you think is coming to your aid is misplaced, khomeini will go down is history as the man that caused the demise of the persian nation
Max, I don't want war with you either. I remember on 9-11 there were 5,000 people having a candle light vigil for the victims in the U.S. 5,000 Iranians. Those are people I really don't want to be collateral damage in war.
Repect to you Texas T. Heartwarming comment. Thanks.
Max, Jon is correct. The US military is the #1 "by a long shot" in the world and Iran is #12 with Isreal #10, larger then Iran.
The thing that always amuses me is how most people who comment on foreign policy issues never bother to look at geographical maps of the world. HELLO !
Our military has a rather large group of 18 – 28 year old kids trained and in command of rather large and powerful killing weapons, including nuclear devices. Some of those in that age range are currently guarding the nuclear stockpiles in bunkers around the nation. There are very FEW 40+ year olds actually standing post with a rifle outside of our nuclear bunkers. These facts are true in ALL the nations that currently have nuclear devices. Our troops get better pay, training and opportunites (in and out of service) than most of the world's military forces so they have an incentive to "do the right thing" and NOT allow unauthorized people access to those nukes.
Pakistan is different. Same troops with same rifles guarding THEIR nukes. But, the "opportunities" inside and outside THEIR military is reportedly based on "who you know" and "who'll be in power" next week. THEIR troops have families and their own dreams same as our troops – but without any "guarantee" those needs or dreams can be met.
PAKISTAN SHARES A BORDER with IRAN !
What? Does anyone honestly believe that (attack or not) Iran won't simply BUY off one of those young Pakistani guards to "look the other way" while the truck(s) back up to the nuclear bunker loading dock, loads up and then gets on the "Makran Coastal Highway – N10" (Google), the "Kurumb Road" (Google) or the "RCD N-40" (Google) and drives their purchase to Iran? What? Does anyone believe Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were traitors for the fun of it?
Nobody can "stop" Iran from getting nuclear weapons as long as:
(a) They have the money and are willing to pay;
(b) Some poor, young schmuck is guarding the gate who can be bought off with enough to feed his family and
(c) Pakistan ALREADY has a finished product, is right next door down the highway, with easy road access.
Look at world maps folks. It'll become easier to figure all these foreign policy issues.
OH! Let us not get into the religious issue that the Christians, the Jews and the Hindu's all have nukes while the Muslims have been feeling kind of left out...
*** IVAN
Oh so those were the Weapons of Mass Destruction that we were looking for.
Maybe it would have been a better place.
Where has Israel been during any conflict we have had?
Have they ever helped us?
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Too busy defending themselves from attacks by terrorists.
By the way, Israel supplies us with intel, they are very good at it.
I have a cousin who trains Israeli jet pilots,
he loves going over to Israel, great food, nice people
beautiful beaches and beautiful woman.
Israel supplies the US with intelligence? ?? There was a 3 part series from Fox news with Kirk Cameron that showed that there was a gigantic Israeli spy ring operating in the US through Converse and Amdocs corporations which supplied communication equipment in the US. This ring was being busted as 9/11 happened. Then AIPAC had fox news pull the report.
What's your problem Al? The CIA spy on everyone, everywhere, anytime, every country. Typical American – YOU can do it but woe betide anyone who does it to YOU!
Nobody trusts you, especially your friends – you've sold so many of them down the river ou see. So what do you expect????
Last week a bloke and his girlfriend left UK to go on holiday to America. On reaching America, he was detained at immigration then deported. Why?
Because your spies in MY country England had picked up his tweet saying he was so looking forward to his trip he intended to destroy America! Now in England young people go to a club or a bar and say they are going to get wasted; wrecked or destroyed which means have a reallygood time. If they go to a party they say they're going to destroy it – again it's like they say something is "wicked" if it's really good.
He also said his dream would be to dig up Marylin Monroe and bring her home!!!!!!!! They deported him for that too. Come on!
But your spies said he was a threat and intended to destroy America. What with, his visa card????? How come the 9/11 terrorists lived in USA and trained to fly planes there and nobody noticed? Because real terrorists don't brag on TWEET you morons! Streuth – only in America.
if i remember right the usual quote is that they don.t want to inflame the situation
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes in the 1980's.
Furthermore, Pakistan was allowed to develop nukes and look at how they behave and harbor terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes. All this anti Israeli Jew hate talk is stupid. Israel is not only going to protect themselves by doing this, they are protecting all of you at the same time. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off
All this worry over Iran developing a nuke. Tsk, tsk, tsk. What? Has everyone forgotten how Libya and N. Korea got their nuclear information and technology? HELLO ! Does the name A.Q. Khan mean anything to anybody?
Iran need not "develop" any nukes – they can go next door to Pakistan and BUY or STEAL them. Look at the MAP people.
The same way that you can DRIVE to Philly and get a steak sandwich, DRIVE to New York to get a "real" Italian pizza, DRIVE to Colorado to go skiing, they can DRIVE to Pakistan and get a nuke. DUH!
OH! And they're both MUSLIM countries. Christian countries have nukes; the Jewish state does; the Hindu state does.
What? Do ya think the Muslim states MIGHT feel left out of "The BIG Game"?
To attack Iran to keep it from having nukes is ludicrous. They WILL get them, one way or another. And they WILL USE them, especially on Israel and the U.S. The only thing that would hold them back is that nuking Israel will also destroy the Dome of the Rock, Islam's second most-holy site. Even that may not be enough to stop them, though.
Being nuked back isn't Iran's concern. Ahmadinejad has said he dreams of Iran becoming a "martyr state." To do the "mutual annihilation" thing doesn't bother them at all.
In point of fact, it's almost inevitable that somebody will nuke somebody, and fairly soon, too. What is really surprising is that it hasn't already happened. It's particularly alarming to see so many Americans who would "push the button" gleefully. That kind of mindset is sick.
Iran claims it doesn't conquer people? What do they call the invasion – and conquest – of Iran itself? It WAS the Persian Empire, with a long and often venerable history. They were Zoroastrians, not Muslims. They were not Arabs, either, but detested the Arabs. Now their land is an Islamic State, and ruled by Arabs, who have also tried to dilute Persian blood with Arab blood – most often through rape. It's called "Arabization," and is an official government policy in the Sudan – look it up, along with "Islamization," yet another Sudanese policy which is a policy to force conversion to Islam. Please note that Iran and Sudan (despite sectarian differences) have been allies for years. The Arab Muslims who conquered Persia have thoroughly "Arabized" and "Islamized" the people there. The Sudan is merely the only one that touted these "policies." Iran fully subscribes to them, though they'd never admit it to US infidels. Google those two terms to learn more.
Back in the '90's, when I first began studying Islam, Sudan was mining uranium for Iran. Back then, Iran made no bones of the fact that they were SLATHERING for nukes. Today, they say it is against Islam. ??? If it's against Islam now, surely it was also against Islam in the '90's. So what changed? Obviously Islam didn't change between then and now. It was the need to hush up the ambition for nukes that "changed" things. Iran still wants nukes. My info about this came from the Reader's Guide at the library, so anyone who wants to check it out can still do so.
Attacking Iran, however, can't yield the desired result of ending their quest for nukes. It'll only fire them up. But what it WILL do is set off repercussions that could put the whole world into a major war. If they get their nukes, it's very likely they will blow up Israel. But they'll be able to do it anyway, in due time, no matter how much Israel attacks them, or what other countries join in. Israel is almost as good as nuked – it's only a matter of when. But the U.S. is almost as good as nuked, too. We simply don't want to think about it. Does it make sense to nuke first? No. That only moves the timeline closer, and won't keep us from being nuked.
One thing I've learned about Muslims is that they tend to be quite predictable. Their religion is so absolutist that it makes them that way. I've predicted, many times, what Muslims would do, and have yet to be wrong. It isn't soothsaying. It's knowing what makes Muslims tick. But it's as ugly as anything can be.
It's not the possession of nuclear bombs that is bad; it's knowing there really ARE people (Muslims, of course, but not ONLY Muslims) who would USE THEM. Worst of all is knowing there isn't a single thing we can do to stop them.
It's enough to make me kind of glad I'm nearing the end of my days, rather than being in my youth. There's at least the hope that I won't have to watch these things happening. I've had enough, forever, of the evil mankind is capable of. It just gets worse and worse, and has even infested my own homeland. Nature itself has probably taken note of it and put humanity on its "hit list." Nature doesn't try to help species survive after they've become nonviable. No viable species preys on its own kind, as ours does. And Nature has all the time in the world to make us extinct. We're doing such a good job of destroying ourselves, though, Nature may just wait for us to do ourselves in.
Quiet, everyone;
NOSTRADILDO SPEAKS!
I think you have a piece of hanger stuck in your head still from your moms attampted abortion.
The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes in the 1980's. Your arguement is very weak considering this fact.
Seriously? Are you THAT DUMB?
Doom and gloom.....bwaaahhhaaaaaaa
i now (sniffle) must throw myself (sniffle) off the highest
building and be (sniffle) done with it,......
Bye now.
I appreciated your post, although I'm still opposed to sweeping statements about all Muslims.
Iranians are Persians NOT Arabs. Get it right
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes in the 1980's.
Furthermore, Pakistan was allowed to develop nukes and look at how they behave and harbor terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes. All this anti Israeli Jew hate talk is stupid. Israel is not only going to protect themselves by doing this, they are protecting all of you at the same time. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off!!!
Did a chipmunk bite you? I think you might have rabies, what with all that foaming-at-the-mouth.
You must have been one of those failed abortion attempts.
** Have hope Jon,
maybe he will get run over by a cement mixer.
Lets just dare to imagine a world where both Isreal and Palestine had the nukes...(that would be a first)...but lets
just say for arguments sake it were true... WHO WOULD WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO KILL THERESELVES ! !.. thats
how close the Countries are.... the blast radious itself would be a certain defeat for the Victor....AND THE WINNER IS...
NOBODY.........Makes you ponder what if everyone had them , would we then have peace ? ?
A dead rock floating in space.
No Thanks.
At the same hearing, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper noted the United States works closely with the Israelis and said the notion that Israel could strike is "a very sensitive issue right now."
// Strike force one to Hilary.
Think Pink ! No really who decides to push the button at 3 am oh smart ones out there ? .The powers act is the importent thing here that needs some calibration so we do not act in error when 3 am comes. I hope it is not left up to Paneta and Hilary to tell Barack to push the button for gods sake .
Hillary's panties will be oozing with crotch-rot granny-goo.
That filthy whore!
This guy just pissed into the wind.....Guess what happens when ya piss into the wind....
A-Pissin'-on-the-dead-kinda-guy
Hillary's panties will be oozing with crotch-rot granny-goo.
That filthy whore!
The best analogy for Israel is that they are like that old saying about what you're supposed to do when you go to prison and are surrounded by hostiles. You don't provoke, but the first incident where someone messes with you, you have to kick some behind to prove you mean business and you're not going down without a very serious fight.
Years Later, Israel’s Cluster Bombs Remain Hazardous. Israel’s third invasion of Lebanon left behind “gifts” that keep on “giving.” What is it with the Jews and that country – do they have a “Lebanon-fixation”? Israel also invaded Lebanon in 1978 and 1982.
Oh Gee!!! Another, lets blame the Jews for the worlds problems idiot. Do the world a favor and just dig a six foot hole, dive in and have some one fill it in for you!!!
realy ?
why israel went to lebanon ?
To stop the PLO terrorist camps on the border from attacking Isreal.
Hey Bill, guess your mommy never told you to share the sandbox, huh ?
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off!!!
Another 'prophet'. A regular Nostradildo.
Another Red neck freak
Time to turn in your guns and weapons and lay down the war is OVER there is no reason to fight. No more WMD just peace and harmony. Utopia !.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war...But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship....voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
– Herman Goering
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/some-stunt/
Who gives a shit. It's only Israel.
Just vaporize them and get it over with.
Do the world a favor by digging a six foot deep hold the length of your body, jump in, and have some one fill it in for all our sakes!!!
And the fallout would kill
Israelis'
Saudi's
Jordanians
Syrians
Egyptians
Iraqi's
Kurds
Turks
One step closer to peace, would be to remove you first.
But hey – as long as it doesn't kill any righteous, Christian, gawd-fearin' 'Mare-cans, who truly fucking cares?
you anti-semites make me sad. you stupidity is really a damage to this world. Could all of you hicks do me a favor and cut of your sack so you don't spread your evil anywhere else? Also, please slap your wh0re mothers....they did a lousy job raising you. thx.
who the hell is this old woman ? she better go back to her kitchen and cook comething for her husband!
If war with Iran starts and Israel needs our help I will resign from my job and sign up at the first military post available.
-American
Looks like you'll get to die for nothing. Enjoy.
Looks like you having been born was for nothing
Hey Lord,
I paid him to shoot you first....
look behind you.
and you call yourself an american? I don't think so, You should pack your bags and go back to Isreal. You are Not an American, we have nothing to do with this .... If IRAN dares to attack USA, then we would give them a lesson so for 100 years nobody forget... but going to war for Isreal helllll no look at our economy you jack A...
We have only ourselves to blame for that ..ie America ! were the ones whoe gave them the Nukes !!...Along with the
rest of our latest and most modern Tech... Hell of a note to think we might one day fight aginst our own Armament...
The best analogy for Israel is that they are like that old saying about what you're supposed to do when you go to prison and are surrounded by hostiles. You don't provoke, but the first incident where someone messes with you, you have to kick some behind to prove you mean business and you're not going down without a very serious fight.
If you remember correctly, it was a jew who invented the bomb.
I blame you, for your own stupidity.
Lets just hope that the yids don't use white phosphorous on Iranian women and children as they did for Palestinian women and children in the past. Not only does white phosphorus burn through a victim’s organs, but the smoke that comes from such burning severely irritates lung tissue, adding injury to injury.
For all you silly uneducated anti Israeli Jew hating idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off!!!
Thanks John. People tend to forget this fact or didn't know. The world dummed up a sht storm after that attack....until they learned Iraq was in fact building WMDs.
...and as we found out during the invasion of Iraq, they were in fact NOT making WMD's
Yup, and when we couldnt find any real WMD, the pentagon
changed the definition to include Firecrackers, mustard gas and coca-cola.
You gotta learn how to play the game.
CRACK....LOL....yes, Bush's invasion. However, Iraq WAS building WMDs in the early 80s. Jeez. Learn something
Thanks for the education. In the 80's the US was selling WMD's to Iraq to kill Iranians... the famous photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand... anyhow, you win, you're so right, sorry for my mistake.
The world would be an absolutely awesome place without Amerika.
No... The world would have been a awesome place had your mom knew how to use a hanger.
Hey Lord,
I bet every time you type something you think is funny,
you pee yourself.
I am 68 years old and I fought in Nam. What is being proposed is an act of war. Jon and the rest of the bomb Iran idiots don't seem to realize that this will not be over when the nuclear facility is up in smoke. Iran has $ to act in a manner that will make Bin Laden's group look like the bench players. Given the protest over Nam, the real question for all that have sons and daughters who can join or are already in the military is "Would you want them to fight in a war that Israel starts?" I personally would be willing to take up arms before I would let any member of my family be forced to defend Israel. If America thought that was protest over Nam, let this crap start.
OH REALLY?
name ONE war that America has fought for Israel?
ha? whats that? you got jacks.
don't get me wrong. the US has stand for us and sent us ARMs , while the Russian sent arms to the arabs.
48, 52, 57, 73, 83, etc.
the bombing of Iraq's Nukes.
you didn't do squat. Israel did it. and alone.
SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE ACCUSING ISRAEL OF YOUR PROBLEMS !
Agent Orange get to you ?
Seek help DC.
Dan, DC did not say anything about America fighting any previous war for Israel – just the prospect of fighting a future war for them. Brush up on your comprehension.
Gay Styx fan; nice 'agent orange' dig. I hope you o.d. on semen.
DC – you're generation truly got fucked over, thanks to Viet Nam. Guys such as yours self fought so that vile little pukes like See Forever Eyes could eventually come along and mock you. SeeStyxManSuckCock will never put on a uniform (unless it's a nurse or French maid) because he, and all his gutless war-mongering brethren are yellow-bellied, sissy-boy chickenshits.
A “world without nuclear weapons”? Ha-ha-ha. As long as inbred paranoids with nukes – i.e., Israel – remain armed to the teeth and aren’t even required to submit to weapons inspections, that’s a vivid fantasy. Until the Jews disarm, the world isn’t safe. Trivia: Israel came dangerously close to using nukes against Egypt in 1973 – odd, since Egypt didn’t have any nukes.
Oh Gee!!! Another, lets blame the Jews for the worlds problems idiot. Do the world a favor and just dig a six foot hole, dive in and have some one fill it in for you.
Jon...agreed. He's a good arguement against blogs.
"Israel came dangerously close to using nukes against Egypt in 1973 – odd, since Egypt didn’t have any nukes."
Considering that Egypt was briefly threatening to overrun Israel entirely, such a fact isn't all that odd. Thankfully, Israel regained the upper hand with their conventional forces, taking the use of nukes off the table.
Hey idiot...they don't attack...they defend themselves....surrounded by would be enemies...who they let be whenever possible.
Bill inbred paranoid
Fixed that for ya Billy boy.
Stop sucking snot, its bad for you.
Israel is in the grip of evil men. Back in the day, they would've made fine Kapos. No better than the people who tried to exterminate them.
The old verse of (out of the fire and in to the fring pan) comes to mind...lol ! Remember the 8th of June 1967 ? We the
American People went to the Aid of a Country in need , only to be Sandbagged by Air and Sea by the Isreali Goverment.
Be careful what you wish for.... " IT MIGHT COME TRUE "
Israel should blow Iran out of the water and any other country that comes against them.
Israel needs to sit down and shut the He!! up.
you need to sit down and shut up. Israel is OUR ALLY. Our ONLY ALLY in the entire middle east. Israel will never start a war. F**k, you morons never cease to amaze me
Well, Phoenix, feel free to die for them. Better you than me.
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!
School must be out, all the little turds are on here.
I can and the US can both protect us without any help at all from Israel... the state – if you can call it that – was not granted to Israel until 1947 – and that, by the League of Nations, now the United Nations. We got along quite well as a nation for all those years; no one needs Israel's help to exist...
In point of fact, having Israel as an ally to the US will eventually cause the US to enter WW111, which Israel will start!
Gog and Magog, here we come! Wear your hardhats.
The Muslims and Non-Believers can do whatever they want. What they end up doing will be part of God's plan and includes them conducting an Epic Fail and a long fall into Hell. Christ will be back very soon and when it happens I predict a record number of Muslim and Non-Believer turds bursting through seems and splattering on the ground.
I just got back from hell.
A little warm, but the party was great.
just because something makes you feel good doesn't make it true.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa.....breathing.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa
The war-mongering Jewish state isn’t required to do anything it doesn’t want to do. Yet how strange that Iran – which, unlike Israel, doesn’t usually start wars – is getting the 3-month mandate.
I guess you don't read very much? Let me take the time to correct you. Iran uses proxy fronts to fight its cowardly battles. Do you know that terrorist org north of Israel? Well, Iran funds them to fire rockets and kill innocent civlians. And to you war mongering point. Well, Israel has always and will always continue to defend itself against real threats. If you Arab states and Iran could learn to let a little love in their black hearts....perhaps, the fighting would stop. But, don't bother with anything I said...I know you are not capable of understanding any of this. So, go on with you stupid little life.
my war mongering jewish husband used to say that too-he isn't required to do anything he doesn't want to do-he liked to play "sir lies a lot" too- that all gets old and easy to ignore afterwhile
Fuck the chickenhawks.
Fuck the war-mongers.
Fuck the GOP
Fuck Israel
Fuck Washington (especially Martha)
And fuck you all.
I have had those kind of days too. LOL
I agree. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about poor Israel. They're barely a country. I wish someone would just wipe them off the map.
Do the world a favor and just dig a six foot hole, dive in and have some one fill it in for you.
Also, for everyone concerned about how "anti-American" the Iranian regime is, read some history. If the intelligence agency of, say, France toppled the democratically elected administration of a new American president and installed a puppet dictator to do its own bidding, wouldn't YOU become "anti-French"???
First of all this is not the way to report a story...a white house adviser says that some guy is going to do this or that....this is a terrible way to promote a story and smells of fiction...UNTIL PANNETTA AFFIRMS THIS STORY I WILL TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.......SECONDLY....ISRAEL SHOULD DO WHATEVER IT FEELS IT MUST DO....BUT IT SHOULD NOT EXPECT THE UNITED STATES OR ITS PEOPLE TO FIGHT ANOTHER WAR FOR IT....That said there is nothing more to say....We give Israel...Egypt Turkey, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq billions of dollars perhpas trillions so as to be able to DEFEND THEMSELVES....we cannot afford to fight their wars to and the only reason we fought their wars is BECAUSE SPECIAL INTERESTS GOT TO GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY.....this should be over forever...RONALD REAGAN USED TO MAKE ISRAEL AND THE REST FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS EVEN THOUGH THEY WANTED HIM TO FIGHT FOR THEM.....ALL PRESIDENTS FROM NOW ON SHOULD DO LIKE REAGAN AND NOT DICK AND GEORGE WHO GAVE IN TO SPECIAL INTERESTS...
the US has never fought a war for Israel, or for that matter anyone else because states only act in their own self interest. when making silly statements like you just posted, if you think they are true you should include some facts. by the way, pick up "the Prince" by Machievelli
You dont understand diplomacy.
Every word counts.
Sheepdip! You are talking total hogwash! [Sorry – but I feel better now.
[1] You did NOT fund Israel JUST so they could defend themselves. You funded them so they would keep the Arab world in check and YOU LOT could have unlimited OIL to satisfy your greed!
[2] If Israel hadn't guaranteed the said oil YOU wouldn't have been a superpower and you KNOW it. You're too proud to give "little " Israel the credit. You OWE Israel big time for your last 40 years of oil.
[3] The last WAR you fought for Israel according to you was Iraq!!!! Grow up. 9/11 happened because YOU had a military base in Saudi Arabia [sacred arab ground to OBL ] and you USED that arab country to kill other arabs. The fanatics tied their hatred of Israel to that wagon – Israel were NOT the prime reason.
[4] Americans are 'fair weather friends' No wonder very few counties on the planet trust you. After decades of Israel helping you with the oil supply AND sharing Intelligence from Mossad [THE best intel anywhere] you and your C-in-C are more than happy to throw them under the bus. Shame on you.
It all boils down to which country is more civilized than the other. Do you live on the east side or the west side. Israelites are more civilized than the Iranians or is Iraq more civilized than both it depends on who you ask. The Chinese or the hindu's. NK is a little inferiority complex being so small ehh ! My take on it is an anti socialist one so do not ask me what i would do you might not like my answer,. The fact may be that it boils down to believing in the right faith how many are out there and which fanatics are right ? It does not matter what we do if there is a hell right ? I have trouble believing other peoples crap..
Israel is the true "rogue state" in this whole issue. But Iranian leadership also needs to ratchet down their inflammatory rhetoric. Too bad most Americans don't realize how educated, civilized, and beautiful (seriously, Google "persian women") the Iranian citizenry are.
how do you define "rogue state"? the state threatening annihilation or the one being threatened? the one funding, training and arming terrorists that rocket israel daily and funnel men into iraq and afghanistan to kill americans,frenchmen, germans or the ones being killed? do you sit around all day and revise history as a hobby or are you simply a muslim apologist sitting around all day chanting the muslim mantra "woe is me, woe is me, israel and the west is the cause of our misery" or are you simply a coward willing to appease a fanatical theocracy like chamberlain did with germany in WW2?
Well said!
You seem to know the 'Muslim Mantra' quite well.
Are you sure you're not one yourself?
Rick – what a fantastic comment. Respect to you, Sir. It's so good to see a well written, intelligent post on here but you sure managed it. Thanks.
*** The term rogue state has two uses: as propaganda rhetoric denouncing the behavior of states we don't like, and a literal definition that applies ...
I didnt bother with the second definition as it was clear
that this one fits your post.
The US can't commit to another war at this time. We are just getting to the point where our operations are coming to a close in Afghanistan and our economy is finally getting a few gasps of air. If the US put boots on the ground in Iran they would do the same thing Saddam did in 2003: Tell his troops to go home. Fight an insurgent war and get the US to spend as much money and shed as much blood as possible. If we have learned anything from the last century it is that conflict will get us nowhere. If mankind is to progress, we'll have to learn how to compromise and resolve conflicts through non-violent dispute resolution.
Agree with you. You expressed some common sense. But that's not the problem; the problem is that the US is not getting into another war (I think it knows better), instead, Israel is getting the US into another war.
The wise thing would be for the US to tell Israel to go fight its own war, since it has been itching to fight for a long time. But how many US politicians have the backbone to say that to Israel? Can you spell A-P-A-C? That's the problem.
Funny, you can't spell Aipac. That says it all.
the usa will do whatever aipac tells it to do
No boots on the ground.
Limited war with NATO and allies.
Surgical strikes on targets.
Wont matter if we or anybody else takes out targets,
The message to Iran will be clear.
They will keep on getting hit, until they comply in full.
It wont be pretty, but it will be quick.
[1] Israel bombed Iraq's capabilities way back and YOU weren't involved thank heavens. They did the job quietly -as they alwayd do / you lot fainted with gratitude / life went on.
[2] Panetta and his big mouth are seriously undermining Israel's operations. He should be sacked – he's a security liability.
Imagine ANY politician being so thick as to practically give the potential enemy the freaking DATE of an attack !!!!! It could only happen in America, folks. Streuth, you couldn't make it up!
[3] You Americans have made such a b@lls up of Iraq. Afghanistan, Libys, Syria, Egypt etc, etc, I reckon Israel are terrified that you're going to offer your substandard military help – it's lethal! How many of our British soldiers were killed by your "friendly fire" because you were so panic stricken you shot anything with a pulse?
Anybody else find it odd that Osama bin Laden initially denied involvement in 9/11 on camera. A "confession tape" was then later "uncovered" by US forces in some random house. In the tape, it doesn't even look like bin Laden. The fraud (Jewish looking) is also using his right hand whereas the real bin Laden was left handed. Thus this is the ONLY "evidence" connecting 9/11 to bin Laden. Israel was the ONLY country to benefit from 9/11.
the people you saw dancing were the palestinians and other muslims around the world. calling them Mossad agents would suggest you had some knowledge of the events and you frankly appear to have little knowledge of anything, just a whole lot of bigotry
Says the guy who wants to see all the Muslims die.
All true Brian, except for the last part.
The only way Israel benefitted from 911 was that
now Americans see what Israel puts up with everyday.
Israel, along with England, Germany and even Russia
tried to warn us about the attacks, but Bush ignored them,
even when he got CIA security updates, dailey.
Michael Ruppert reported on this and had to move to Brazil
because of death threats from CIA opperatives.
On 9/11 Muslims had spontaneous street parties and fireworks to celebrate in London, Birmingham and other city areas in Uk !!!!! And in those areas they had posters of the twin towers with gloating messages attached.
The British, Jewish and other ethnic areas were paralyzed with shock – then SO angry it wasn't true. And ALL of us wept for America. As when Kennedy died we can all remember exactly where we were when we got the news and we will NEVER forget your suffering.Not ever.
The footage of Muslims celebrating was proven to be a hoax as the Bin laden confession tape. The day Bin laden was "killed" was basically the final nail on the coffin of the 9/11 official fable.
TOLERANCE , civility and patience are qualities man lacks. So be it. You favor one over the other then you are part of the problem too this is just part of reality when dealing with liberalism.
Go back over to Fox with yor "liberalim" rants.
People here are just laughing at you.
yeah why are you ranting then liberal ?
ajgorm
I am a liberal, but you just opened yourself up for abuse.
Please stop trying to help, you make us look bad.
Why US keeps playing the anti-Iran / propaganda game with Israel? It here somebody so stupid to believe this is an actual "leak"? I now we got a lot of Jews and Israel descents in here, but we got also Arabs, Indus, Chinese, etc..., and we don't keep taking part to this insane level in their disputes. It is so freaking unfair that because Jews keep cheapening so much money, and own the Media, everybody else keep drag on this madness of violence. If they don't want to be hated by the Arab world, let the Arabs alone in the first place, and return the land you have been stealing for the last 40 years. Then somebody here says that is sick because many Arabs hate us... so what you expect dumb a##?
El stupido – 76 UN countries voted to give Israel AND Palestinians DUAL ownership of that "Stolen" land in 1948. They offered BOTH of them Statehood. Israel accepted; the Arab world spat on the offer and told the UN to put it where the sun don't shine! Theysaid they wouldn't take it until "....every Jew is driven into the sea........."
A history student you ain't! A bigot you surely are. Either way you're grossly uneducated.
I think I also want to give away the White House's front yard to canada. Hell, lets make canada and mexico share it!
Who the HELL is UN to give away someone else's land to somebody else?
The Israelis did not steal any land. The land was given to them by the United Nations. And it is so tiny that it would not be big enough to qualify as a national park in most countries. Your obvious ignorance is so profound that I doubt if you could even find Israel on a map. It is hard enough for informed people to find it because of it's size. So stop polluting the internet with your malicious untruths, while the people on the ground which is rightfully theirs have to worry about their survival every single day.
Let Israels handled themselves. If the think that are bad, let them be bad. We waste to much money on that country. It just a country, not a shrine.
Oh Great. After Israel hits Iran with American made bombs, then its time to send in American Boys and Girls to invade.
Its amazing how a foreign country like Israel has so much influence over a country of 270 million people. Barely 1% of Americans are Israelis but we spend 30% of our budget defending Israel. In exchange what do we really get? False flag bombing of US Liberty? 9/11 with Mossad agents caught dancing and prancing on the rooftop ? Oh i better shut up before i get labelled as Anti Semite.
Anti-Semite is yooish for "truth".
Aniti-Semtie
Very Intersting.
If a person down the street from you said "you and your family should not exist" and that you should be "wiped off the face off the earth" would you just sit by and watch them destroy you?
Non-white do it all the time.
@Tonto – you are much better off just riding into the sunset with the Lone Ranger. BTW, who is that masked man, anyhow?
According to the Congressional Research Service, monetary aid to Israel in 2011 was $333 million. I really hope that isn't %30 of our budget.
Add the cost for the wars Israel started over their 9/11 false flag operation. 30% was being conservative.
False flag, yes, they also orchestrated the incident at the Gulf of Tonkin and I'm pretty sure they're responsible for the death of John Wayne.
Tonto – You spent Millions per year for decades and you armed Israel for decades. Why?.
Well for sure you didn't do it out of decency or charity – you did it because they were the only ones who'd keep the Arab world in check and you could satisfy your greed for unlimited OIL.
Without that oil you wouldn't have become a superpower [not so much now though]
America owes Israel big-time, you couldn't have managed without them. THAT'S why you resent them because big old Goliath actually relied on little David! Man up America trolls on here – stop trying to rewrite history.
Fact maybe that natural selection is taking its course and there is nothing we can do about it. The strong survive in the end. One day man might be able to handle large doses of radiation and we can ignore global warming altogether..A glow in the dark green solution.
Without an invasion force on the ground, Iran will continue the enrichment processes that are in deep earth facilities keeping Iran's nuke program alive. Israel ran a covert nuke program fooling inspections into thinking that their facility was creating civilian power services. They were building weapons, what is Iran to think. Solar and wind power would show how forward thinking the country could be. Iran's push for nuke power service is backward thinking, it's a mistake.
Man, with his arrogance and war-mongering tendencies will eventually be the death of us all.... sad. this beautiful blue planet is better off without us, and the vile crap we are polluting our earth with.
Dont worry, the Anunnaki are coming to take thier planet back.
Its not ours.
If it came right down to the facts, the Israeli Air Force could probably take out all of Iran. Iran may be a huge nation, but in her history, Israel has lost maybe one or two fighter jets. USA sells Israel Air Force fighter jets and what does Israel do? They build on the technology and make these USAF jets better. You Americans can say whatever you will, but Israel's Air Force is looked up to here in the European and Asian regions. Nobody wants to mess with the Israeli Air Force. Why do you think Egypt and Jordan signed peace treaties with Israel years ago? And even Syria would like to engage in peace negotiations with Israel, however, they first need to oust their ruthless dictator, al Assad. I think it's hilarious how Israel purchases these sophisticated weapon and fighter jets from the USA, only to build upon the technology and make it better than what the USA already has. God will always protect the Holy Land – Like it or not!
God has nothing to do with protecting the Holy land.
It is the US and it’s money. And get nothing back in return.
Plain and simple!!
I only hope Isreal shares his 'technology' that you infer they use to improve the jets with our own military. Either way...if/when they flatter Iran or go after nucluer facilities you can be sure the other countries in that area will come to the defense of poor little Iran and we'll have yet another war on our hands.(regardless of what they say off camera about wanting Iran to be stopped) They're too afraid of their own people and the radical elements within their gov't.
Israel is just inviting a retaliation it is just a matter of time. The more they talk about it the more karma will get them in the end.. Iran will nuke them one day if this tit for tat situation continues. They will drag us into another war because they like it the hate agenda.. It moves the economy and we all get going forward into an economic fear driven reality. The knuckle heads in charge see this as an oppertunity for more of the same. Another Viet Nam. WW3 would level or groom the world the way we want it or need it to be.So we lose a few billion people we will recover and do it right next time with no fences with all having equal rights. Move over red rover.
your fears need to be addressed as cowardice in the face of muslim extremism is a sign of weakness and the US [ besides you and your friends] is not weak. showing weakness will definitely invite these extremists to act irrationally
Faqnaticism will get you nowhere. If it aint Israel it will be NK Israel is no different than the rest in Gods world .
If Iran were to nuke Israel, they would end up taking all their Palestinian cronies out with them. This will NEVER happen as Iran's sole purpose is to kiss Palestinian butt. Also, try to remember, Israel also has her hands on a nuclear stockpile. If, heaven forbid, anyone would be stupid enough to attack Israel with nukes, Israel would make 100% certain their enemy would be taken out with them. That's the sole purpose of Israel's nuclear stockpile.
Would be the best thing to ever happen.
Nuke them both.
So what you are saying is "new world order"
and you have put Israel at the head of the table ?
Sorry bub, the military industrial complex is controlled
by the NEOCONS.
Fail.
I'm sick of hearing about Iran taunting the US.... seriously, it's time to bomb them back to the stone ages. We'll simply do it through Israel so we don't have to answer to everyone. Enough already before Iran hurts someone, time to take them off the map. Not kidding.
They "taunted" us how exactly?
read what khomeini said today. he is intent on pulling on supermans cape. sort of like suicide by cop. must be a hell of a lot of virgins waiting for him
Oh, we should bomb millions of citizens because their leaders make empty threats? That sounds rational and humane...
You want to take out a nation of 73 million plus off of a map? You sound like the "hardliners" in Iran. Why not address the real issue, Iran hasn't STARTED a war in its history. It has supported groups fighting it's enemies, but so has the US, Russia, Israel, China, etc. It's only wrong when the Iranians develop weapons to defend themselves against daily threats of war and regiem change. If the US is really concerned about liberating people from dictators then they can focus on the likes of Burma, and North Korea. Or even the US where the corporations have made the rest of the population indentured servants.
very well said but nobody buy here in usa , everybody is slave of media what they hear or read. this is the fact. people still elect those idiots again and again knowingly they are cheat.
The only countries safe from USA aggression are those with nukes; Iran has as much a right to nukes as Israel has to the 300+ we gave them...
Furthermore, nothing happens on the face of this planet without the sanction of the USA... try and hide our fingerprints from an Israeli attack on Iran or anything...
no country threatening annihilation of another country has a right to Nukes. no country funneling men into iraq and afghanistan to kill americans has a right to nukes or to exist for that matter. if you are an american appeaser than you are a coward or an american muslim apologist with relatives in Iran. I would suggest that you suggest to them that it might be best to move out.
Hey Paul! We funnel men into Iraq and Afghanistan to kill civilians, and we have nuclear weapons. Buts that's different, right?
Eric
I'm sick of hearing about Iran taunting the US.... seriously, it's time to bomb them back to the stone ages. We'll simply do it through Israel so we don't have to answer to everyone. Enough already before Iran hurts someone, time to take them off the map. Not kidding.
Persia was a civilised nation long before europeans discovered you knuckle dragging yanks LOL
i would love to meet you personally
i would beat the insanity of your racist self
cut you in a millon pieces and feed you to the pigs
no kidding P.S. you need to see a head doctors your not well at all
Paul: "bomb them back to the stone ages..."???
Pascal: "cut you into a million pieces and feed you to the pigs..."????
Wow! No wonder the world is in such a state. We can all be thankful that neither of you is holding the codes to a nuclear weapon. And you both prove the point as to why Iran CANNOT be trusted with such a destructive weapon.
Once the weaponization phase begins, there will be a large crater created in Iran. Israel will never hesitate to pwn those who threaten the nation of Israel. Things would be peaceful if surrounding and nearby nations just left Israel alone. How many times will Israel have to stomp down agressors before they learn?
The article is titled "Panetta believes Israel could strike Iran this spring". NOT "Panetta believes Iran could strike Israel this spring".
Think about the reason behind the strike Jimmy boy. Iran publicly states that it WILL destroy Israel if given the chance. Must you be spoonfed every ounce of understanding?
i once knew a child that ran his head into a wall, cried, got up and did it again until his parents took him to a dr and he was diagnosed with a mental illness. sound familiar? this illness is endemic in the arab/palestinian/muslim world and forms the basis of the "arab Mantra". "woe is me, woe is me, we send one rocket and hey send back three." the result is the arab chant sung 5 times a day: "woe is me, woe is me, everyone but us is the cause of our misery". what they should be singing is "woe is me, woe is me, we are our own worst enemy."
....'own worst enemy'
As are the Jews.
Things would be better if Israel simply moved it warmongering, paranoid nation to the moon... no one wants an Israeli presence in the middle of Arab states, especially seeing as, if they are not bombing something, they are preparing to bomb someone...
The Holocaust argument is wearing very, very thin!
who is bombing who? who rockets who every day? so israelis should move because their neighbors tell them to? you sir are the definition of a coward. You must be one of those palestinians sending rockets from civilian areas and then hiding behind the skirts of your women and in the grade schools from where you launch your rockets.
Dear Jean Sartre
Until you get your lying head out of your azz......STFU.
Israel is the bravest nation in the world! A tiny little state less than 50 miles wide, surrounded by its enemies who want nothing more than its destruction and people dead. No, I do not agree with every political move it makes within its own borders – there are many displaced Palestinians who have some tragic stories to tell (truly tragic). BUT – outside its borders – leave Israel alone, and it will leave you alone. Don't threaten wiping it off the face of the earth and it won't feel the need to make strategic attacks against your nuclear arsenal.
And how many times has Israel started wars and attacked wit out provocation?
They do not want peace. There is no $$$ in it for them from the US
Whether the Jews are a race or not depends on how you define “race.” I believe that they are indeed a race, especially since a branch of the U.S. government (i.e., the Census Bureau) has, by default, labeled them as a race. Furthermore, as someone once said, “they act like a race.” Anyway, Ashkenazim Jews (i.e., most Jews) are so inbred that there are “Jewish diseases.” What more evidence do you need that they’re a race? Sadly, since the Hitler era, few scientists are willing to call them a “race.” (One Jewish trait that has always fascinated me is ugliness. Jews are not handsome people. Many of them resemble rodents, with large noses and ears). Race or ethnic group, Jews are big trouble.
Really? Are you kidding me? That is your comment on the article? Wow, are you part muslim?
Ever hear of Bugsy Siegel? He was a good looking guy. I'll bet you wouldn't have called him ugly to his face.
They say an actor should never go "full retard."
You should consider this advice before you post your thoughts here.
Just sayin'.
To bad you mother didnt know how to use a hanger correctly... The world would be a better place had she done it right.
Oh, REALLY? So many gorgeous Hollywood actors and actresses are Jewish. I'll bet that you look just like the rodent you are, you moronic bigot.
you crazy
The whole world is run by children who can't use their big boy words to work through disagreements.
The only way the inhabitants of your planet will ever unite
as "Earthlings" is when there is an external threat.
You need an outside enemy.
Lets see if we can provide you with one.
The US is supposed to be an independent nation (isn't that what we celebrate on every 4th of July?). Why then a nation of 300+ million people is being manipulated by Israel, a nation of 8 million people?
we are infiltrated and have become Israels Moses.
Maybe an independent nation at one time..
But not since they got into bed with Israel.
One World.
One world government.
One world police.
One world Currency.
One world religion.
Its the only way your species will survive.
eight million and growing
they need more land, n' stuff
Everyone here is worried about the Jews... mark my words as a Christian, the Muslims will be the ones to start our last war on Earth. Israel has every right to defend herself as a nation as does the US against any threats from outside. And by the way, the US gives money to every nation practically, not just Israel.. FYI
Amen,
Are you really a Christian? America first and foremost.
Ground control to Major Tom.
The reason all this is happening is because Pakistan was allowed to develop nukes and look at how they behave and harbor terrorist like Osama Bin Laden. Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes. All this anti Israeli Jew hate talk is stupid. Israel is not only going to protect themselves by doing this, they are protecting all of you at the same time.
And how are they going to protect us?
Have they ever done anything so far for out benefit?
Name one thing..
They took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off with silly questions!!!
I could name several hundred, but it would be a waste of time,
you wouldnt believe them anyway.
Just continue to lie and blame everything on Israel.
Its true that some people never grow up.
because you can write does not mean you should
get some info before you talk about something
and not just some propaganda from cnn
There is only one reason this information came out now, and that is that Panetta wants it out there. By exposing Israel's likely plans, Panetta does in public what he can't do behind the scenes–put the brakes on Israel's plans by taking away their veil of secrecy. It also serves to insulate the US from criticism or accusations of complicity in the strike if Israel goes ahead and does in anyway.
Mankind is stupid when it comes to WMD. Is the solution to wipe out everything so we can all get along once and for all ? Ohh but there is nothing left we destroyed everything we loved. Knowing this fact is not prevention itself ? are we all mad ?
The real problem when it comes to WMD is falling into the hands of people who don't care if all life is lost, as long as they kill the enemy. The radicals believe they will go to heaven for doing so. They should never be allowed to obtain WMDs. The Iranian people may not be radicals as whole but there are many there that can seize control once the weapon is built.
We've got to get ourselves back to the garden......
Maybe the hippies are right.
Being an ally of Israel these days has a lot in common with keeping an uncontrollable vicious dog. In historical terms, our alliance with Israel hasn't done that country good either. Sixty years after the European powers declared a Jewish homeland in territory where none had existed for nearly a thousand years, Israel has made no progress at all in civilized treatment of Israeli Arabs and getting along with her neighbors. And all this smells a lot like the cynical, disinformation riddled run-up to the invasion of Iraq.
the UN ,which i think, includes more than just "European powerd" recognized israel as a state 63 years ago, upon which the arabs attacked israel in order to wipe it out. the Israeli arabs that didnt clar u to make way for he arab armies became citizens. they participate in the political process and have all the rights of jewish Israelis. can you say the same for any, any arab country? what is your problem besides cowardice and anti semitism? or are you simply a palestinian whiner
That is one uneducated statement. Arab Israelis live better than all other Arabs in the middle eastt. Idiot!!!
Really. Then move there.
You try to make progress in civilized treatment of your neighbors while they trying to kill you, bomb your house. How about that, PUSSYcat?
Palestine and Isreal are two sides to the same coin. Neither of them are interested in, or have made any effort toward peace and they both blame each other. Its about time we drop Isreal like the hot potato it is, and let them fend for themselves.
at least know your history: israel has been attacked by arab armies 3 times [1948,1967, 1973] and suffers rocket attacks daily. failure to distinguish apples and oranges can be a fatal flaw
There has never been peace there and there never will be.
How about all the wars and attacks that Israel has started.
You try to kill me and fail,
i will kill you.
What part of that dont you understand ?
Its called "self defence".
Lets hope you dont have to practice it.
**** TxJack
There has never been peace there and there never will be.
How about all the wars and attacks that Israel has started.
How about that......ZERO !
All defence.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Shame about yours.
Israel never misses a chance to manipulate US policy.
and you and your muslim friends never miss a chance to try and sow dissension and spread your propaganda
yes because We The People are sick of being Israels Moses.... sick of being put in the middle of the religious war, we must be dubbed Muslims friends.... good job being a biggot
man, if you are an American you are sure a cowardly one. the US and the rest of he world should stand by and allow Iran to have Nuclear capability because you are afraid you might get involved? good thing you were not alive during WW1, WW2 and korea. we would all be speaking german or chinese, or is it that you want everyone to speak arabic?
i always wondered what the bs in front of your name meant, now i know
Personally, as a member of "We the People", I am sick and tired of listening to a raving lunatic give speeches declaring, "Israel should be destroyed" and "Israel is a cancerous tumor" and "Israel should be wiped off the face off the Earth" and "Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth."
I am all for getting the party started and taking care of this situation sooner than later.
If it starts Armaggedon so be it.
God will sort us all out.
SCA... have you lost your mind? The US is going down if Israel falls. The Muslims have entered our country and will strike within.... they are lying low. (Not all of Muslims are bad... but the ones that are.... WATCH OUT)
Not all Christians are bad, but the ones that are...Watch out...Not all Jews are bad but the ones that are...Watch out...not all Hindus are bad but the ones that are Watch out....dude your paranoid.
Ron Paul looks better and better. Why are the Muslims being persecuted? It must be our Jewish lobby speaking.
KMW.. what cave in Pakistan are you typing from?
Amen,
You are a fool and please do not respond with a vulger comment. We have never had any problems with Muslims until now. No wonder they dislike us. I am Christian but have Muslim friends and I tell them I do not support America's policies regarding the Middle East. Israel is greedy, corrupt and would take away the last bit of bread from the Arabs if they could. They certainly do it here. (Look at Jews like John Paulson and subprime mortgages). I could name others but it would take many pages to reply.
Maybe some truth to that not sire..
Just look at Mark Zuckerberg the thief that stole Facebook and staffed it with Jewish execs.
the next new generation of corrupt corporate execs.
As i understand it, Ron Paul was one of our founding fathers.
For all you pathetic, uneducated, anti Israeli, Jew hating, idiots out there, here is a lesson in history for you all to think about!!! The Israeli's took out Iraq's nuke site in 1981. Had they not done that, Saddam would have developed nukes long before he invaded Kuwait. Just think of where the world would be had Saddam actually developed nukes. Learn your history before you shoot your mouth off
Oh so those were the Weapons of Mass Destruction that we were looking for.
Maybe it would have been a better place.
Where has Israel been during any conflict we have had?
Have they ever helped us?
The palestinian propaganda force is out today.
What type of palestinian propaganda?
Or is it the constant Israeli propaganda?
*** This troll keeps on repeating the same lying garbage over and over
Bet he gets paid by the word........
IVAN
What type of palestinian propaganda?
Or is it the constant Israeli propaganda?
Duck Dodgers must be another brainwashed Pro Obama that believes everything that say about him.
Its Panetta's idea not Israel. The Administration is busy with the election and a war with Iran is the least Obama wants. So Israel will do the job for the US. Its about time anyhow for Israel to pay to back the US generosity. A risk that might end Israel existence in the area that if Iran retaliate even with its conventional weapons. Syria has said that it has its missiles aimed at Tel-Aviv and the airport, so Iran. Its going to be a mess.
Pretty sure they've been through this before, what was it, six Arab nations? All at once? Israel kicked all their asses and took their land and now they want it back? I'm proud of our support for Israel, they're having a well-earned feast and the muslim world over at the kiddie table is sitting there with their arms crossed, stomping their feet, going on and on about how unfair it is and how everyone's being so mean to them.
The United States should cut all ties with Israel. How much of our tax money goes to support their terroristic regime? And for what? To make us even more hated in the Islamic world? If Israel wants a fight, let them have it by themselves. We should strive for peace and let those who want war alone if they will not listen.
your cowardice in the face of islamic extremism is very unamerican. get a grip
Feel free to die for both of us.
Enjoy hell, chickenhawk.
Not as much as the US tax payer's money that goes to support Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt... The reality is that 80% of US aid to Israel is paid straight back into the US economy, creating thousands of jobs as well as providing security for US citizens and their military. If you have a problem with the Islamic world hating Israel you should be pointing your finger at them and their radical ideology rather than believing all their propaganda.
And who is this official that tips the entire world about what is going on in our Defence Department and let everyone know what our Defence Secretary thinks? Isn't this a treason?
Only if wikileaks say so. CNN and this senior official have Jew ties, and then is ok.
No rational person or nation would want an Iran with nuclear weapons. The only question if they continue is when Israel will do the world a favor and take them out. All of Europe even the Chinese and Russians would be on our side if Iran persists.
i got my colors and homies and be packin big WMD pop pop. can I get a witness ?
You go girl!
Why do they hate eachother ? Oh right . I get it now. Kind of like how street gangs act.
Israel is a cancer and it needs radiation therapy. I think a nuke can proivde that. What do you think statements like that hurt. Well, the other side feels the same way.
There is no place for that kind of hatred. I am talking about military actions not about hate.
There is no place for that kind of hatred. I am talking about military actions and about my nation..not hate
Great. Our 51st state wants to go to war so now we'll have to go too.
No, they will stay behind and push you to go.
Israel is a coward? Nope. sounds like you is the coward, joe. you are willing to live with Iran having nukes because you are a muslim apologist or a coward, i think its the former but maybe both?
Or the other way around. Israel is protecting us from the need to do anything and let us hide behind our empty threats. Israel has more balls. Or less options.
Your Welcome for Osirak
It seems to me that Israel is more of a threat to Iran than the reverse. Israel is the one threatening to attack Iran.
Israel – Soon to be Isntreal.
America has a piece of paper that spells it out. We can not have ten different societies operating in ten opposite directions it causes problems. Fanaticism has seen its last days. One nation under one God is the way to go and leave it at that. But Nooo they must have it there way or the highway. You want my eye I will take yours first mentallity. So we fight it out till the end. amen !