January 12th, 2012
02:43 PM ET

US inches closer to peace talks with Taliban

By CNN's Elise Labott

The United States could inch closer next week toward peace talks with the Taliban if Afghan President Hamid Karzai blesses the negotiations, senior administration officials said Thursday.

Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman, who has been meeting secretly with Taliban negotiators for more than a year, will head to Kabul next week to work out the details of future talks

"We don't have any idea standing here today what the outcome of such discussions could be," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday, following a meeting with Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci. "I think all of us are entering into it with a very realistic sense of what is possible. And that includes, of course, President Karzai and his government, which after all bear the ultimate responsibility and the consequences of any such discussions."

Clinton on Wednesday acknowledged discussions about opening up a Taliban office in Qatar and transferring some Taliban prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay as part of the U.S. support for Afghan reconciliation efforts. She stressed that nothing had been concluded, but said she was sending Grossman to Kabul and Qatar next week for further consultations. Diplomatic sources said that depending on the outcome of the talks with Karzai, Grossman could have another meeting with the Taliban.

Secret talks between the United States and the Taliban began in November 2010, sources said. Senior U.S. officials and diplomatic sources said German officials brokered initial meetings with Tayeb al-Agha, an aide to Taliban leader Mullah Omar. The sources said after a series of meetings Agha was able to prove his bona fides as an interlocutor with key Taliban leaders.

The idea is for the talks to be Afghan-led, senior officials said, with as much U.S. participation as the Afghans need and want.

"Our idea is that this cannot be a conversation without the Afghans," one senior administration official said. "We have been very emphatic with the parties that Afghan government needs to be part of this. It doesn't make any sense."

The talks would be the product of what officials call "confidence-building measures," such as the opening of the office in Qatar's capital Doha and a Taliban renunciation of terrorism in exchange for the release of five Taliban members being detained at Guantanamo Bay. Clinton said Wednesday no transfers were imminent, but senior officials said one idea gaining steam is for the five detainees to be transferred to the custody of Qatar on the condition they would be kept under surveillance and not be sent abroad. Grossman's talks in Kabul are expected to address the possible release of the detainees.

Once described as preconditions for peace talks to occur, Clinton now says insurgents must lay down their arms, accept the Afghan constitution and end ties with al-Qaeda as "necessary outcomes" of the discussions.

The deal was expected to be announced at a conference on Afghanistan in Bonn, Germany, last month until Karzai objected. Officials said Karzai had not sufficiently consulted his government about the talks but is now expected to play ball. On Wednesday Clinton pointed to positive statements made last week from both the Taliban and Karzai, which she said "there is support for such discussions, for the (Taliban) political office to open in Qatar."

"This requires careful tending," one senior administration official said. "He does believe in reconciliation, and Afghans have been coming together. But our conversations with him aren't always easy."

This official said that U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker has been speaking frequently with Karzai to allay his concerns and has developed a good relationship with the Afghan leader.

Crocker has also objected to a recent secret National Intelligence Estimate that warned the Taliban have not abandoned their goal of reclaiming power, which could cast doubts on the success of any peace talks.

The official said that in separate comments Crocker and Gen. John Allen, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said the assessment was overly pessimistic in warning that gains achieved by NATO-led forces were not sustainable.

"He and Allen don't think the situation is as dark as the NIE says," the official said. "They believe the work we are doing can achieve good results and it's not all for naught."

Officials said the NIE has revived a debate between the White House, in particular Vice President Joe Biden, and the Defense and State departments over the pace of the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Officials and diplomatic sources said Biden is favoring an accelerated drawdown, while the State Department and the Pentagon have argued the end of 2014 should stand in order to sufficiently train Afghan forces.

Another wild card in the talks with the Taliban is Pakistan. As Afghanistan's neighbor with the strongest influence over the Taliban, Pakistan's buy-in in critical to a peace deal. But U.S. officials have acknowledged the political situation in the country, with increased tensions between the civilian government and military leaders, complicates Islamabad's involvement.

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  8. Jon

    Talks??????? You cant talk to idiots that kill their women for looking at them at the wrong time of day! Making America l@@k like them...stop it Clinton!!!!

    January 16, 2012 at 9:24 am | Reply
  9. Willie12345

    So Hilary is still working up the terms for our surrender ?

    January 16, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply
    • Stay Stupid The Zionists Like You Stupid

      I know what I'm going to do:

      I'm going to give all my money to the zionists.

      Then, when the dirty evil zionists start WW3, I am going to demand my children join the U.S. Army and go fight the Arabs and Iranians for the devil worshiping zionists. I will want them to die for the zionists, since our traitor zionist controlled Congress will send thousands of our armed forces into the Middle East to die, and I will want my children to be among the glorious American dead. And when my children come back in a coffin, I will tell anyone who will listen, my children died for a good cause – defending the murdering lying zionists so they can continue killing innocent women and children while stealing more Arab land.

      Plus, I will stay in debt and be a good goym – I'll live to support the zionists in apartheid racist israel.

      I will stay stupid since that is how the zionists like their goym.

      January 16, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
      • RagMcmuffin

        Hey Stupid, this is your gay lover speaking. Are you cheating on me again on the internet? Please leave the Americans alone. They will harm us and make us have sex with our women. You wouldn't want that to happen now would you?

        January 16, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Jon

      That depends on what is, is, according to her husband!

      January 16, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
    • RagMcmuffin

      Why yes she is, and if is means is then is is is according to Bill

      January 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Reply
  10. Veteran

    As a person that has served multiple tours in combat I find the banter on this page disappointing at best. Most of you people don’t have a single clue what actually happens in the AOR and yet you post on these public forums and preach about peace. The bottom line is that the US government has wasted blood and money on a country that doesn’t give a crap. Both countries Iraq and Afghanistan look at American troops as murderers and yet they kill their own people in the name of “god”. Unfortunately that ideal will never change no matter how much we talk or kill. It’s time for Americans to look out for Americans and right now that means talks with the Taliban.

    January 16, 2012 at 4:53 am | Reply
    • Planetalker01

      I agree with veteran, we have far better things to do with our treasure and talent.

      January 16, 2012 at 8:30 am | Reply
  11. glu

    I dont give a crap how the taliban treat women, its not our problem, just get the fk out of that hellhole.

    January 16, 2012 at 12:00 am | Reply
  12. Mark

    Newt Gingrich supports the Taliban.

    January 15, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  13. Mark

    Mitt Romney supports the Taliban.

    January 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  14. Tariq

    All Muslims have responsibility to butcher the American cowards in Islamic countries., ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

    January 15, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Reply
    • Blake

      Uh, ok. Your god won't forgive you for that.

      January 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Reply
    • merica

      fuck off sand niger

      January 15, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Reply
    • vinny

      take a look at the scoreboard Akbar. Enjoy shooting your bow and arrow at the drones.

      January 15, 2012 at 9:04 pm | Reply
    • puddlepirate

      Fuck off, ya pig-twat sucking pedophile,

      January 15, 2012 at 10:53 pm | Reply
    • Jack

      You do realize there are Muslims serving America in Islamic countries right?

      January 16, 2012 at 12:31 am | Reply
    • ibrad

      I always like the Sheik Adnan Al-Kaissy but when he lost to the Hulk that was it for me and the sheik.

      January 16, 2012 at 1:34 am | Reply
    • 5th Marine

      All Americans have the responsibility to send Islamofacsists to hell; no 72 virgins (sick bunch of scum to dream that up). Once again American politicians lack the courage to conduct a proper war, we'll sell-out the Afghans like we did to our Vietnamese allies. Both the Dems & the Repubs make me sick. Is there any so called leaders in this country that have true courage? The smug s***s should've studied the mistakes of the Vietnam War, and the campaigns of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, a man with hardly any education who consistently defeated the smug West Pointers.

      January 16, 2012 at 1:38 am | Reply
      • RagMcmuffin

        Right on 5th...lets move on it. If war breaks out over there I'm gonna find a way to get there I swear...

        January 16, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  15. fagvilleinheaven

    hahahha peace with the taliban .... american military power and superiority my ass ..... praise be the taliban as they did say that they will defeat america just as they defeated the soviet union. american military: had to rely on soviet union to defeat germany int he second world war; had to make peace deal with the chinese yellow fever in korea; were defeated y vietnam ( a third world country) ... a nation which now they are even helping rebuild; did shit int he first gulf war; had to cancel advanced stealth bombers as one tiny plane got shot down in serbia; could not control black apes in mogadishu ... had to reterat with their tails between their but chicks; american army bend over – the front ready with its mouth open to receive saudi arabian load, and its rear open to receive israeli load; did shit in the second gulf war other than replace their cia spy; did shit in afghanistan; had to retreat its bases from central asia at the command of china and russia; is pissing itself everytime it hears the name 'cuba'; shoudl i go on with this american military might ! and now they want to defeat iran ... what a joke! wghere the hell is god to end all this shit once and for all?

    January 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • Roger

      You are a buffoon. Go back to bed.

      January 15, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Reply
    • Spence

      What shit hole did you crawl out of today?

      January 16, 2012 at 12:40 am | Reply
  16. svann

    As long as they agree to not shelter Al Quaeda I say let their country vote in whoever they please. Its not our place to insist they elect a christian government.

    January 15, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  17. Dudewhat

    We can finally admit we have been defeated and move on.

    January 15, 2012 at 9:45 am | Reply
    • ricky

      how did you figure we got defeated asshole, being another one of those army chair quarterbacks

      January 16, 2012 at 2:45 am | Reply
      • marc gunn

        we said we'd get rid of them and can't negotiate with terrorists, now we're talking about talking with them... looks like we succumbed

        January 16, 2012 at 3:07 am |
  18. LibsLie

    Butcher Americans, Obama administration "let's talk, maybe have a non alchoholic beer summit shake hands.......we understand your need for sharia law and dumping acid in little girls faces Taliban"

    January 15, 2012 at 9:30 am | Reply
  19. tony sunshine

    i can relate the afghan occupation by americans to the movie series "Terminator" Americans are obviously the machines (Skynet) and the Afghans AKA. the resistance is the "Human resistance" led by John O'connor. Eventually the resistance (Afghan resistance) win the war and the war officially ends. Kinda sad cause i see America throwing in the towel. Not bad for good ending.

    January 15, 2012 at 6:43 am | Reply
  20. lol at kikeSA

    first suck talibs' balls

    January 15, 2012 at 2:43 am | Reply
  21. LOLmm

    i thgouht we're winning the war and killing all the talibans. guess we've been lied to again.

    January 14, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Reply
    • Tariq

      I laugh that the USA is thought of as a superpower, Your so called mighty war machine couldn't even defeat a rag tag group like the Taliban, The Iraq rebels forced you out in Iraq. No I hear all this bluster over Iran. I see war with Iran as a humiliating defeat, and the end of the USA Empire for good.

      January 14, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Reply
      • joe

        not really there fighting a war with road side bombs because the taliban r to scared to come out and fight

        January 15, 2012 at 12:19 am |
      • Ishan Joshi

        Hey dumbass, this is the motherfucking United States of America. We don't back down from a fight, especially from your ragheaded tribal gangs who blow up kids for a twisted and brainwashed version of islam. If you and your buddies would only get their acts together, maybe there wouldn't be such a problem. The Untied States will prevail to whatever challenge comes to it. It humbles me that right before your buddies die, they see the face of the U.S. military. By the way, I'm India, which means my parents are from India. Don't mistake the hardworking people from India with the dirtbags that come from the god forsaken area called the middle east. America is dealing with it's problems, you and your friends just want to kill innocent people for no reason.

        January 15, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • svann

      Who told you we were going to kill all the talibans? Answer that please if you are honest. If you arent that honest then screw you.

      January 15, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  22. Cassandra Chu

    ... whatever happened to the "we don't talk/negotiate with terrorists" blabber. or was that only useful before we were losing?

    January 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Commojoe

      Not negotiating with terrorists was only valid when we had a REAL LEADER of this country who did not bow to any and all wimpy countries and punk terrorists out there.

      January 14, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Reply
  23. Deryk Houston

    If anyone takes the time to read the history on this, one will see that Karzai was proposing talks with the Taliban several years ago.... but the US refused to do just that. So why is it being reported now that Karzai is somehow the problem and doesn't want to hold talks? The US refused to talk for years because it wanted everything it's own way ....as usual. Now...after years of sacrificing the lives and blood of so many of it's young, ill informed, soldiers....they have had enough and decided that the price is too high.

    January 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Reply
    • Myles

      sooo many. like hundreds.

      how many towelbans are dead?

      January 15, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Reply
  24. pfauenauge

    A message to Clinton! talk with Iran. Have some balls and invite them to your mansion in Washington. Treat them like frends and they may want to be your friend.
    She could do so much with all her resources but she does not. Waist of time and money.

    January 14, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • Spenc

      Wrong waste superstar

      January 16, 2012 at 12:44 am | Reply
  25. Kenneth MacKenzie (Uncle of PFC Kristian Menchaca)

    . . .RE: Ignoring Pfc Bowe Bergdahl, Prisoner Of Taliban In Pakistan, & Release of Taliban from Guantanamo to Qatar

    07 Jan 2012
    . . . FROM: U.S. People's Media

    . . . TO: President Barak Obama, Senator Kay Baily Hutchenson, Senator John McCain, Senator John Cronyn, United States Senate

    ...The Obama administration has not mentioned PFC Bowe Bergdahl, currently a Prisoner of the Taliban, in structuring current Obama Administration plan to transfer five Taliban demanded Prisoner of War detainees from Guantanamo to Qatar including mass murderer Mohammed Fazl, senior Taliban official, to improve the prospects of a peace deal in Afghanistan.
    ...SEE: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/03/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-talks/
    ...I am the uncle of PFC Kristian Menchaca, captured by al Qaida together with PFC Thomas Tucker, Iraq, both tortured to death, 16 to 19 Jun 2006 during the same period Iraq President al Maliki released more than 500 Mujaheedeen from US run prisons in Iraq without any effort to make a prisoner exchange for Menchaca and Tucker who were tortured to death by Terrorists while Maliki released said Terrorists from U.S. Run Prison Camps and while U.S. government was coiled and watching from its "Washington Snake Pit," as participants in al Maliki's evil wrongdoing to ignore Pvts Menchaca & Tucker while they were bashed, chopped, and burnt to death.
    . . .SEE:http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1069266.html , "IRAQ RELEASES ANOTHER 500 DETAINEES" as presented by Radio Free Europe
    . . .This entire plan to transfer U.S.held Taliban to Afghanistan custody without mention of PFC Bowe Bergdahl as part of a prisoner exchange is wrongful as it denies PFC Bowe Bergdahl equal treatment rights under the U.S. Fourteenth Amendment and Geneva Conventions.
    . . .These vile U.S. POW conditions that resulted in torture deaths of PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker could likely have been avoided with a prisoner exchange.
    . . . Contrast all of this with the prisoner exchange for Israeli Private Gilad Shalit who was rescued from Palistinian custody by the government of Israel in a humanitarian exchange.
    ...There is a terrible similarity between the Obama Administration's neglect of PFC Bowe Bergdahl for prisoner exchange contrasted to the torture deaths of PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker.
    ...This entire plan should be debated by the Presidential candidates and U.S. Congress as THIS PLAN SHOULD NOT GO FORTH unless PFC Bowe Bergdahl is included as part of a prisoner exchange.

    ...Sincerely, Kenneth MacKenzie,
    Uncle of PFC Kristian Menchaca

    January 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
    • 5th Marine

      Agree with you wholeheartedly. Hey CNN, why the hell aren't you making a big deal out of this outrage? The buffoons in DC are all upset about a few Marines taking a urination break. Just like 'Nam, we're going to abandon POWS so we can go home. Disgusted with all the gutless politicians, and smug as****es who don't know how to wage war to win.

      January 16, 2012 at 1:53 am | Reply
  26. Lou

    Talk is cheap, costs us nothing to talk and perhaps finding and end to this longest war in US history. The Taliban is not Al-Queida and Bin Ladden is dead. Peace is brought about through negotiations and that is what we must do.
    The Taliban did not terrorize us, they sheltered the terrorists.
    Time to end this war and yes, we still have drones up there to inspire respect.

    January 14, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • AlexShch

      Then what was the point to start the war in Oct. 2001?

      Just to remind you: in October 2001 Osama bin Laden was under house arrest by Taliban. The leader of the Taiban demanded proof that bin Laden was the mastermind of September 11. Extraditing bin Laden to US was not an option because Islamic Law forbids giving up a Muslim into non-muslim hands, but hanging (or beheading) Osama bin Laden on the central stadium in Kabul was on the table as an option - all US has to do is to send a team of procecutors to Kabul, and perhaps by the end of October 2001 it would be all over...

      ...provided, however, that there was evidence (in reality, as of right now, there is no proof released to the public that bin Laden had anything to do with Sept. 11 - there are only words made by US officials not supported by anything. All evidence (if any) remains classified. Bin Laden himself denied it, unlike the other acts, like 1998 embassy bombings, where he issued a fatwa).

      Back in Oct. 2001 US issued an ultimatum to Taliban: surrender bin Laden or face the war. US did not even bother to submit any proof of bin Laden's involvement.

      Now US is negotiating with Taliban. So what is the point of 10 year war? Return the status quo back to Oct. 2001?

      January 14, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply
      • joe

        how many taliban have been killed how many terrorist have been killed y dont we ask bin laden and the other ones oh wait they died
        we started this war because some group of terrorist attacked and killed thousands of US citizens in our own country. and how many attacks have came against the US since none cause if you ask any country what country is the stupidist to attack they would say America. Thats y Iran and North korea have not attacked America because if we actually were able to put all our military forces out there the war would have ended in about 2002.

        January 15, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  27. dreamer96

    It's like the movie the matrix .....We should tell the Taliban to treat their women better, or let them move to safe zones where the women have more rights...

    January 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Reply
    • douglas

      Huh? I don't think you've watched the Matrix.

      January 15, 2012 at 12:40 am | Reply
  28. Change

    You finger pointing,criticizing, accusing and always blaming rightwing conservatives haven't answered my question. For three years you people have consistently attack, criticize, acuse and blame the Obama administration for every sh*it he has inherited while continuing to embrace and support the ludicrous Republican politicians who have created the mess at home and abroad. Today alone 53 Iraqis were killed as a result of a rightwing war that has destabilized that country for decades to come, yet you people keep blaming the Iraqis and Afghans for the problems we created. Again, my question to you people is how do we end this Afghan conflict today? And again, finger pointing, attacks and criticism are not solutions. Let's all be adults and try to weigh in on the issue objectively regardless of party affiliation. So again, how do you think we can speed up and end the Afghan conflict?

    January 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Reply
    • ginjahlada2

      To answer your question about ending the war in Afghanistan its quite simple. Talk. I know some of the president critics asume even though they know he has what it takes to lead this country on all fronts. Now check this. Based on the security situation in the region, the president realizes he has to change America's foriegn policies to confront the new security concern not ony for the region but also america. Now i wrote a piece in 2007 called Jah Message. If The Pashtun Highway Is not safe from Kandahar to Kabul Afghanistan Is In Trouble. In this piece i wrote exactly what the president is trying to achieve, peace in Afghanistan. I am not an educated individual, I am uneducated as they come. I want to point that out. TO defeat your enemy you have to out flank him. *America, what the president did or is trying to do is to out flank the growing threat in the region. The president realized it would be unwise to be in military conflict with the Pashtuns and engage in a new security threat. The Pashtuns are the majority in Afghanistan. The Pashtuns realize that this new security concern is not only an American problem, its theirs also. Remember the pashtuns are sunis. There is a long history between these two neighbors. This move by the president is a strategic millitary move since ending the vietnam war. this war in AFGHANISTAN WILL NOT BARE MILITARY VICTORYON EITHER SIDE. AND SO THE TALIBAN REALIZE THE ONLY VICTORY IS THE DIPLOMATIC VICTORY. AND SO THE RACE IN QATAR IS ON. People, based on the security situation in the region, I predict that 10-15 years down the road the Pashtuns in Afghanistan will be an ally of the United States of America. Let me say this again to defeat your enemy you have to out flank him. Thats exactly what the president did. The security situation in the region is not about the taliban. VP Biden was right when he said that the Taliban was not an ememy of the usa and like wise the taliban make similar statement. Time and time again we observe these military maneuvers play out in front of us .When common enemies realize they both are threatened they would join forces to defeat there common enemy .And Afghanistan is no exception. Right move, madam secretary of state, president, and vp biden.

      January 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
  29. Dick Trickle

    Why do we need to negotiate with the Taliban? After all, they are not the enemy according to Joe Biden.

    January 14, 2012 at 10:10 am | Reply
    • pfauenauge

      America is its worst enemy. First they are friends with a nation giving them weappons and money. Then we tell them to change everything in their country and become like Americans. When they refuse we tell them that they are now our enemy and that we will invade the country and bomb the living day light out of them. After we no longer can afford the bombing and killing we aske the to negotiate with us. Now these are supposed smart Americans ( Harvard Yale etc. ) who do such foolish things but who cares the average American cares more about football than anything lese.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  30. amarjeet

    There are multiple brands of Taliban, how many can be negotiated. Every individual perverted Islamists is a terrorist with his own structured extremist philosophy hammered deep into their heads by Mullahs over the centuries & decades. Negotiations are not bad for learning & building new curve of strategy as advocated by mom & Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Republican should have no heart attack as moms never surrender unlike dads do to a bad child.

    January 14, 2012 at 10:07 am | Reply
    • iqbal

      you cow dung and shit drinker. you have the balls to talk about talks. look at your own country ( india) there are people starving, women getting raped, girls getting slaughtered in the name of kali mata. higher cast people do not even want to shake hands with lower class. i mean i can go on and on. so first look at the mirror yourself , then give advice to others. and i am pretty sure u will drink cow piss tonight so u will think that u are the genius in the morning.

      January 14, 2012 at 10:17 am | Reply
    • pfauenauge

      IfClinton had just a tiny bit understanding of teh cultures in teh Middle East she woul have stoped all teh nonesense in trying to get Iraelis and Palestinians together. The two will never be friends end of stroy. Try to make a Taliban like an American? for what reason? for our value system like divorse, explicit sexual exhibiton, alcohol. We are and we will alwasy be their enemy. Keep on waisting taxpayer money on them. Great job Hillary really great.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
      • jimmer

        I'l bet she can spell though.

        January 15, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  31. citizen

    So now the apologizer in chief wants to negotiate with terrorists?

    January 14, 2012 at 9:11 am | Reply
    • Lou

      Don't look now but your idiocy is showing, a little rascism to.
      Wars are ended this way or perhaps you want more of our young to die so that you can sit on your computer and be a brave man with someone else's life. Sign up, go there a do some fighting and then you can post your nonsense otherwise shut up. I hate couch potatoes that think they know every thing by listening to glen beck.
      Hiding behind a monitor a brave man does not make.

      January 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
      • Joecool

        Sounds like Lou is a little tipsey on the liberal coolaid. Since when is a person a racist if they have a disagereement with the President? I didnt see any racist statements in the last post against our President. Just because our President is a black man we are not allowed to dissagree with him? Does that make you a racist if you disagree with me or visa versa? Just because our President is black does not automatically mean he is a great President. You may feel he is Gods gift to the world but I believe our president is on par in quality with the illustrious fool President Jimmy Carter. As with Jimmy Carter, we will be living with the fruits of Obama's ineptitude for many generations to come.

        ~May I remind you Lou, we may dissagree with each other but it is our right under the Constitution to do so.~

        Another question for you Liberal Lou. How do you negotiate with souless beasts?
        I know first hand what the taliban like to do to innocent people who do not capitulate to their will.
        The taliban are utterly bestial.

        January 14, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
  32. Change

    For you rightwing conservatives who supported the Bush administration in the Afghan and Iraqi wars, my qustion to you is if you disagree with talks with the Taliban that could possibly bring this bloodbath to an end, then what would be your proposed solution(s) to ending this conflict? Should we continue fighting for another five or perhaps ten years? And if so, would you agree to volunter yourselves or your sons and daughters to continue this war campaign? Please respond?

    January 14, 2012 at 8:18 am | Reply
    • Dan

      I agree, lets try to end the bloodshed. If they will renounce their ties with organized known terrosit groups – why not give it a chance? We have plenty of drones if they don't comply, right?

      January 14, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
  33. Bob Ramos

    AQ the folks that attacked us are long gone from Afghan. Every day we spent in Afghan just harms the folks there and us more. Since the recent Marine photos of urination have not derailed these talks that means that the Taliban is finally ready to make peace. With or without Karzai we need to continue these talks and Karzai can either lump them or go off on his own. It is way past time for us to withdraw from Afghan.

    January 14, 2012 at 5:52 am | Reply
  34. Moudo

    Some don't remember that there was a peace treaty signed between the US and North Vietnam to end the Vietnam War. When our troops was pulled out North Vietnam attacked and defeated the South. Only honorable people honor peace treaties, why would anyone trust the taliban to keep their word. Our Government must know this, so if a peace treaty is signed then the US is handing Afghanistan over to the taliban. Marines are expendeble!!!so it seems.

    January 13, 2012 at 10:38 pm | Reply
    • Dan

      Again, give it a chance. We are already losing our loved ones, God please bless them. What do we have to lose that we are not already?

      January 14, 2012 at 9:38 am | Reply
  35. Bobby

    Who cares what Karzai says.He is definitely not on our side and corrupt as well. He stole the last election plain and simple. When we leave he is toast as most of the folks hate him .

    January 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm | Reply
    • Joshua

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      January 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • Justin

      Karzai's father was killed by the Taliban and Karzai himself helped the Northern Alliance along with the US in overthrowing the Taliban regime.

      January 14, 2012 at 3:32 am | Reply
    • Lou

      Who cares, we Americans should not be dying for Karzai.
      We got Al queida and Bin ladden and the rest, time to go.
      If Afghanistan wants to descend into the hell it has always been that is their choice.
      Even before the Roman empire this area was hellish.
      Bunch of backward mountain folk with no idea of government but the gun they own.

      January 14, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Reply
  36. sayer

    No one has ever won a war in Afghanistan– British, Russians, now us. Why not try a different approach and teach them to live in peace? No one has ever tried that. We live in peace with all countries we were at war with in the past– Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, Vietnam. They are even allies now. It has been proven war changes nothing in Afghanistan. As Lennon said, "Give peace a chance!"

    January 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Reply
    • trg

      Peace with people who throw acid in schoolgirls faces? There is no peace with people without ethics or morals.

      January 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Reply
      • freeman

        And yet the US govt has tried to talk and negotiate with those SO Called ppl. man. how is that possible then ???

        January 14, 2012 at 2:15 am |
      • Dan

        Don't condemn all for the actions of a few. Why with all this 'religion' in the world are all you people so opposed to turning the other cheek or carrying the 'cross'.

        January 14, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  37. 7Simstim

    I was laid off due to lack of America spending their cash here and spending too much on foreign imports...
    . I don't know what i"m talking about.
    if you were put into a situation where you had no job here in America...,./..,.,.,.,.,., I think you would change your mind. When people stop ordering our products, it seriously hurts us and locally and nationally our economy. so what do you bring to the table? My position was comprimised and in return I'm stuck where a large percentage of our population sits. My day job is maintaining confidence in world knowledge. I'm over qualified for 85% of the jobs I apply for and they are looking for "Somebody Else".....Retrobution. I think that's our answer. Out of Control,.....Expendable we all exist, that's a sad state.

    January 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Reply
  38. ElSid

    It is OK to negotiate, but the US delegation should remember to hold their urge to urinate until after the negotiations.

    January 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Reply
  39. IH8Taliban

    ya lets negotiate with people that harbored al qaeda for YEARS. typical wishy washy liberal dream that will never come true.

    January 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Reply
    • truth

      The reality is the taliban are mostly of the Pashtuns as is Karzi, They may live across the Pakistan border, but don't see the lines generated by the British as their border. They are extreme conservatives, so surprise the Ih8taliban you don't like them, but then you probably won't vote for Romney either since he's mormon. Their demands are mostly for isolation so they can push their idealogue onto the local villages.

      January 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Reply
    • jeff Haupt

      What happened to no negotiations with terrorists. I thought Leon Panetta said we were winning.

      January 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Reply
      • Greg Robins

        These are clear signs that United States has LOST the war. We went into this war 10 years ago by saying "no negotiations with Taliban, they must be destoryed, they must be removed from power, etc etc. There is an office now in Doha Qatar for Taliban. The most senior US officials meet with Taliban "secretly". Understandably when you lose a war, it's better to be secret than open about it. US vets returning home all tell stories of how feroucious the Taliban are. The British lost to Afghans, Soviets and now the US......the sooner we admit defeat, the less stupid we look meeting "secretly".

        January 14, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • mw

      Or I guess we could keep fighting for another 10 years
      But first we'll need to borrow money from the Chinese to fund it.

      This is an unwinnable morass and the sooner we get out the better. The Afghans don't WANT a central government. It's a tribal culture. Karzai is by all accounts weak and not respected. Any peace we make that allows us to leave will be incredibly imperfect to say the least, and heavily criticized, mainly for political gain. But it's better than staying.

      Get out and get out tomorrow.

      January 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Reply
  40. Change

    Perhaps if we were able to come to some kind of compromise with Kazi and the Taliban, we would be able to end this conflict and withdraw our troops from Afghanistan much sooner than previously anticipated. We have to start somewhere to end the bloodshed, hand this country back to the Afghans and bring our troops home.

    January 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • 7Simstim

      We have to bring our troops home. Also, the world has to step up and take on responsibility, not just the U.S. and serious. This has already become another Vietnam war, conflict,,, whatever you refer to that as. This is a credible threat, not a U.N. table of negotiations. So action is necessary, but we are also tired of seeing our troops die at the same time. I think it's a situation that isn't with a simple solution as stated before.

      January 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • IH8Taliban

      7 you have no idea what youre talking about. dont quit your day job.

      January 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Reply
      • 7Simstim

        OK. I can't resist good advice.

        January 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
      • 7Simstim

        you're right, I don't know what I'm talking about. I've never been near that situation. Do you have any insight or answers to help me be more informed? Thank you in advance.

        January 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  41. Badly-Bent

    Just what we need, more Heroin on the world market.

    January 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  42. Change

    Yes its true Afghanistan has a bad track record on human rights but the issue here right now is not about addressing human rights violations but about first bringing stability to that country and ending our war. And unless we do so, then we would be unable to address human rights issues and democratic transition.

    January 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Reply
  43. BlueDestiny

    There is * * * * NO * * * * way that we should take steps to legitimize an organization that keeps and butchers their girls and women as property – bombing schools, restricting education, and stoning and murdering their women – for example when they first rape them and then kill them for being raped. Seriously, we've got it all wrong if we think an ends justifies the means, and the ends is giving Taliban a foothold in power to serve other goals. We have to negotiate human rights into the mix, or we're accomplices to torture, rape, and murder of innocent girls.

    January 13, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Reply
    • BlueDestiny

      Man, I'm really disgusted that human rights isn't even mentioned. This is the worst bunch of animals of the entire Islamic extermists who perpetrate terror and horror on a wholesale level to their women. This is so typical of everything we Americans are held in redicule by other nations, as we continue to make deals with devils to serve some special interests; whether oil, commerce, or whatever. How about, we actually do the right thing, to American standards, and stop compromising values.

      January 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    • ic32teeth

      Really.... make friends with the people who brought down the world trade center? Come on. Obama is coward... I didn't go over there twice and risk my life to make friends with the people who killed so many on our soil... Did Obama consult with the families on 9/11 about this? I can't wait till this guy is voted out of office this year. In my mind they will always be the enemy... They are savages and don't care who the hurt or kill.

      January 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Reply
    • Donnie

      I totally agree. WTF????

      January 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Reply
    • trg

      I think the very concept of "negotiating" with people who think its perfectly okay to throw acid in school girls faces is ridiculous. They have no ethics or morals, you cannot have peace with people like that, and really, who'd want to?

      January 13, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Reply
      • txwoodworker

        e being pure and innocent - see Abu Graib or urination on corpses.

        January 14, 2012 at 8:57 am |
  44. JOE

    First of all, the Taliban government did not attack us on 9/11. The Taliban government was aware of al Qaeda's terror cell operating within its country however the Taliban government did not participate in this terror network simply because it had nothing to gain from what al Qaeda did. Let's face it, al Qaeda didn't bring financial resources or any other kind of revenue to Afghanistan and they were just an isolated entity like any terror group operating in the United States. Furthermore, the Afghan government under the Taliban did not have enemies like Iran or Hesbolah or Hamas. These poor people went about their business and their daily lives isolated from the world and they couldn't care less about what the West or any other foreign government was doing.

    I remember watching a program on CNN a few months ago in commemoration of the 10th anniversary of 9/11 where a western journalist was interviewing Afghan citizens about the 9/11 tragedy. And this documentary was so amazing because when this journalist held up large photographs of the Twin Towers collapsing and burning, not one of a group of about 30 Afghan villagers knew what the pictures represented. Then when the journalists asked them if they had ever heard of the 9/11 tragedy, not one of them ever heard of 9/11 or knew what the date represented.

    Well, that brings me to my next point and that is the invasion of Afghanistan. Let's face it, this war was just as illegitimate and unnecessary as the Iraqi war simply becasue like Iraq, the Taliban government was not involved in the 9/11 plot and they had nothing to do with these attacks whatsoever. Remember what happened when we invaded Afghanistan? What happened is that the al Qaeda cell escaped into Pakistan although some of them were killed. And what happened thereafter is us ending up fighting not al Qaeda but instead the Taliban government and everyday Afghan citizens who never did consider America their enemies before. Remember that 20 year old Canadian citizen who was detained at Gitmo? Well, he was not part of al Qaeda either but just a regular civilian who picked up a gun and decided to join the Taliban government to defend against our outrageous and senseless western aggression.

    So how should the US governmenet have responded to the 9/11 attacks. The reality is that if the Bush administration had negotiated with the Taliban government, we would have gotten their support to destroy this terrorist cell without fighting a major war and destabilizing an entire country like we did in Iraq. And if we has gone about this through diplomatic means, Afghanistan would have been a stabilized and rebuilding nation at least five years ago with a whole lot of lives and resources aparred absent OBL and al Qaeda.

    January 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • 7Simstim

      It sounds like a good idea. I don't have the answer and don't know what will work. but you bring a good point. you have more people thinking now...not any easy answer to the situation, but if you have one, then Act! go help solve the problem!!!! even if it starts here in this comment forum!!!! for all of humanity.

      January 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
    • Infowars dot com

      Easiest solution: Vote for an anti-war US president. i.e. Ron Paul

      January 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Reply
      • Dick Trickle

        Yeah, Ron Paul is OK with Iran acquiring a nuke. Can't wait to see how that works out.

        January 14, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • trg

      I could agree with you except for the fact that the Taliban ruined Afganistan long before September 11. It use to be a fantastic country, but when Taliban took over, they destroyed the country. A once decent country turned into a nightmare for women. Girls can't even go to school without the fear of having acid thrown in their faces or their schools bombed with them in it. There use to be female college professors, teachers, doctors, but no more. It's not about September 11, it's about the Taliban's total lack of human rights and the atrocities they do to their own people on a daily basis.

      January 13, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Reply
  45. cigarman

    Wow: Negotiatins with a terrorist group. The Republicans will have a heart attack if the United States does that. The Republicans just want to continue the war in Afghanistan so that there buddies in the war business can continue to rip off the tax payers in the U.S. Heaven Forbid.

    January 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
    • Dick Trickle

      You don't know how clueless you really are.

      January 14, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
  46. 7Simstim

    If a robber holds up a bank and has hostages as women and children and population in general,,,,, do we acknowledge him or her as an entity worthy of "talks" or negotiations? Our government is growing more stupid every day,. unbelievable! I can't believe where this country is headed.

    January 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  47. Joe

    Now we can trust the taliban after 10 years of war? The next thing that will happen is send an invitation to a taliban delegation to visit the white house.

    January 13, 2012 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  48. DON


    January 13, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • 7Simstim

      Yes! Thank You!

      January 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
      • Hahahahahahahahah

        Or better yet, "their" mouths open. As in: They're going to get a golden shower in their mouths over there. Hahahahahahahahahaha

        January 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Infowars dot com

      What would your post read like if the dead bodies were American?

      January 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Reply
      • DON

        tough luck

        January 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  49. 7Simstim

    Savages. Back to the stoneage the closer you get to the middle east. No offense to those who are honest civilians with no criminal intent.

    January 13, 2012 at 10:45 am | Reply
    • Derrick

      How can we shake hands with those that wish us harm? How is it that we waist our time with war and tell the American society that we should end violence. All the while we negotiate we open up to acceptance on the stands of how the Taliban regime acts. They are not to be trusted and I frankly am very upset over us trying to be friends with Terrorists. I guess I should expect that from our lame government that preaches to us all day long while they live it up in the senate and off of us. When are we ever going to learn the only things that reaches these people is violence. Mark my word they will hit again....

      January 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Reply
      • 7Simstim

        I shake hands with you. Yes, thank you too. They aren't to be trusted and should be treated as "gang members". No Negotiations. None whatsoever. strictly kill them. No Exceptions.

        January 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  50. 7Simstim

    So now we are acknowledging them as a credible organization worthy of "discussion"? Now I'm thinking possibly, that if you put on the face of women and children to another force who wants war or retaliation, you are not protecting your government and also not acting as heros. If you would like to protect and Serve your country or region or whatever, then put on your war face and step up to the challenge you cowards. Don't hide behind your women and children, wimps. Sounds like a Coward Country to me. (organization , whatever they consider themselves)

    January 13, 2012 at 10:43 am | Reply
  51. Mike

    Why we waited 10 years and lost so many precious lives of our army men and women. What make us talk to terrorist now ? Have we lost this war from stone age Taliban. Ask to Rumsfield (on last throws) Dick Cheny ( Evil taliban) and others war mongers, may be they can shine some light on sink economy and broken glassess that we left with after this war

    January 13, 2012 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • Needz

      agreed, who can bring our soliders back....which we lost

      January 13, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
      • 7Simstim

        @ Needz and Mike= agreed. Who can bring our soldiers back? nobody, we will meet up again with our loved ones in "Heaven as you"ve Known It".

        I can't believe we are in position to "talk" to these scumbags. Hard to target them, yes, but if that's the case to save Americans lives, then they will pay the price, not us. USA!

        January 13, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  52. Sylar75

    Its the only logical solution. I hope after 10 years both sides are finally seeing the pure stupidity of fighting and dying for an endless war. Personally I'm atheist and I believe you only live once so why waste the one life you have?

    January 13, 2012 at 10:02 am | Reply
  53. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

    Bend over Taliban and take the USA's inches. You won't get a mile. Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    January 13, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
  54. michaelfury

    Inching closer to completion of the pipeline? Behind schedule, isn't it?


    January 13, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply

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    January 12, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • Dude

      So, how is that foil hat working out for you?

      January 13, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
    • Seraphim01

      You are an utter idiot. I actually feel sorry for people as deluded as you obviously are. Check yourself into a mental health facility and get an examination. One of the hallmarks of the paranoid subtype of scizophrenia is the propensity for delusions of a grand or unrealistic scale.

      January 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply

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