Detainee "too dangerous to release"
January 9th, 2012
09:38 AM ET

Detainee "too dangerous to release"

by CNN's Tim Lister

Mahmoud Abd al Aziz is a balding 34-year-old Yemeni who has spent most of his adult life detained at Guantanamo Bay. He was one of the very first to be taken there, ten years ago this month, after being captured on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

Al Aziz is one of 35 detainees who have been held at Guantanamo Bay since January 2002. Most are Yemeni; all are adjudged to represent a continuing threat to the United States. Al Aziz says he only confessed to knowing Osama bin Laden under duress; he’d gone to Kandahar to study the Koran. Prosecutors maintain others saw him at al Qaeda safehouses and a training camp.

Another Yemeni detainee, Allal Ab Aljallil abd al Rahman, said he went to Afghanistan for medical treatment; prosecutors say his name appeared on computer files recovered from al Qaeda safehouses.

He and 30 suspected al Qaeda members were detained on December 15th 2001 after they crossed into Pakistan on foot from the Tora Bora region. Most were young Yemenis who became known as the "Dirty Thirty" – and allegedly included at least several of bin Laden’s bodyguards. Sources cited in military reviews of the detainees’ cases say a "Pakistani warden told the group the best thing they could tell United States forces when interrogated was they were in Afghanistan to teach the Koran."

Most of the young men had been recruited from backgrounds of rural poverty by militant Salafist preachers in Yemen. They were then given money to travel to Afghanistan via Pakistan – ostensibly motivated to combat "religious ignorance in Afghanistan." But one of them told a tribunal at Guantanamo: "I am from a village; I cannot tell time."

Another of the first batch to arrive was Fahed Abdullah Ahmad Ghazi, then 18 or 19 years old. His story was somewhat different. He told a Review Tribunal that he had gone to Afghanistan "to learn to fight and defend myself and my honor" because Yemen was a dangerous place. He asserted he had only nine days of military training before ending up at Tora Bora.

"It would have been impossible for Osama bin Laden to trust a 17-year old with only nine days training to become a trusted bodyguard," he told the Tribunal. His passport had been "witheld" and he had no money, so he could not escape from Afghanistan, he claimed.

Ghazi told of his attempt to get away from Tora Bora. "After I started walking, toward the snow mountains, I met some people who were also running away." He joined them and surrendered to Pakistani authorities after crossing the border.

Some of that first group have challenged their detention through federal courts. This week, the habeas corpus petition of Uthman Abdul Rahim Mohammed Uthman, now 32 or 33, reaches the Supreme Court. Like most of the Yemeni inmates he denied knowing the existence of al Qaeda, and said he had traveled to Afghanistan because he'd been told he would make money teaching the Koran. After the fall of the Taliban Uthman said he crossed the border into Pakistan and gave himself up to authorities there, who handed him over to the U.S. military.

In unclassified summaries of evidence against him, review boards at Guanatanamo relied extensively on the testimony of unnamed sources. They also say Uthman's name was on a list recovered from an al Qaeda safe-house and he was identified as a trainee at an al Qaeda camp. He had not given himself up but had been captured as one of the "Dirty Thirty".

Uthman is on the Obama administration’s list of 46 detainees too dangerous to release but "not feasible for prosecution." It was 48 before one committed suicide and another died while exercising.

David Remes, one of Uthman's attorneys, told the investigative project ProPublica last year: "It's monumentally difficult to fight these battles when the government holds all the cards."

In 2010 a federal judge ordered Uthman's release. Judge Henry Kennedy Jr., ruled that Uthman was being improperly detained and the government's reliance on the evidence of five other current and former detainees was unsafe. One had been classified as "psychotic" by military doctors. The identities of those witnesses were accidentally released before Kennedy's opinion was redacted by the Department of Justice.

A few Yemenis have been transferred home but dozens remain in limbo at Guantanamo. Complicating the Administration's calculations is the fact that Yemen is extremely unstable and has seen several prison breaks by al Qaeda members.

After the airliner bombing attempt on Christmas Day 2009, the Obama administration suspended all detainee transfers to Yemen – and the situation there has only worsened since. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) and other Islamist groups are in control of parts of Abyan province. A considerable political backlash would likely follow the transfer of any detainees back to Yemen given the instability there.

One Yemeni detainee, Mohammed Odaini, was transferred home in 2010 – after a U.S. court ruled there was "overwhelming evidence" that he'd been detained illegally. Again it was Judge Kennedy who granted his petition, saying: "There is no evidence that Odaini has any connection to al Qaeda." He was 18 when detained at a guest-house in Afghanistan that had allegedly been used by al Qaeda fighters, and 26 when he finally returned home.

But other Guantanamo detainees who have been transferred or released – among them several Saudis – have joined al Qaeda in Yemen also influences the administration. One Yemeni, Hani al-Shulan, was released in 2007 but soon returned to the ranks of al Qaeda and was reportedly killed in an air-strike against militants in 2009 – apparently a strike that targeted the militant preacher Anwar al Awlaki. Al-Shulan had told a Review Board at Guantanamo that if released he would go to university and then become a teacher.

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  14. USCitizen

    Part of the Al Qaeda playbook is to lie and exploit the weak spots of the US legal system and appeal process. If you think for one minute the majority of these thugs would not immediately reinsert themselves into the extremist pipeline, you would be deathly mistaken. I'm not saying everyone of these men are guilty, but I would defintitly lean hard towards assuming they are guilty, UNLESS there is overwhelming evidence they are not.

    January 14, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  15. Gibsea76

    Mister Obama, tear down this jail (as you promised)

    January 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Reply
    • Dennis

      Blame congress for blocking it, then blame the voters for electing more republicans.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  16. Dennis

    They should show them mercy and shoot them.

    January 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm | Reply
  17. pooh2

    "Allal Ab Aljallil abd al Rahman" Straight "A."

    January 14, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  18. Charlie

    For those of you who don't like the fact that Gitmo is still open, I cannot help but wonder what you might think if the government continues to decend into socialism–and the government decides to start housing conservative Christians who object to abortion and gay marriage there for "reeducation." Would you still vociferously fight for us just as much? I somehow doubt it.

    January 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • Dennis

      Oh I see, You are crazy.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:47 pm | Reply
    • Brian

      Stop watching Fox and repeating republican talking points. The rich are richer than ever and poor are poorer than ever! Thats not socialism!

      January 14, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Reply
  19. laker

    please make room for the new tenets the IRANIANS

    January 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Reply
  20. adam

    Americans do you understand why the Muslim world hate you? Because you are ignorant and you keep killing children and their fathers and mothers. And you are afraid to release these men even though now you know they done nothing wrong. You want to kill all of them to sleep better. Trust me, you will never sleep better. Eventually all the soldiers that killed innocent people, will either kill themselves or go insane. With time they will wake-up and will be ashamed to be alive.

    January 14, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Reply
    • LR


      January 14, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Reply
    • Brian

      Americans dont care why the muslim world hates them! Muslims are reaping what they sow, they created this war now we AMERICANS are going to finsih it everytime MUSLIMS strike at us we use smart bombs and guided missiles to let them know there place and the cost of their actions. mothers father and children when the COWARDS hide behind them casulties happen! I like most americans belive the governemt should take whatever steps needed to ensure the survival of this country if that means inturning all MUSLIMS just like we did the Japanes in WW2 then so be it. There is no such thing as a inocent man in GITMO they are all guilty of something who cares what it is it keeps the american public safe. America is stronger and smarter then a group of people that the only thing that has changed in 2000 years in instead of swords and bow and arrows they have rpg's and ak 47's.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  21. roy

    This is the biggest colossial waste of tax dollars anyone could imagine really makes me want to burn my money paying federal income tax. Hope someone in power comes to their senses and closes it.

    January 14, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  22. Adam

    Gitmo detainment procedures are FUBAR. I do believe, however, that if the enemy combatants were not so cowardly as to not wear uniforms dnoting their position as an enemy combatant none of this would have happened. We would have been able to judge them via normal military tribunal channels and these loopholes wouldnt have existed.

    January 11, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Reply
    • McAfee

      " if the enemy combatants were not so cowardly as to not wear uniforms dnoting their position as an enemy combatant"

      Did the American revolutionaries wear uniforms? Note: I'm not comparing our revolutionaries and terrorists, I'm just saying that uniforms don't necessarily indicate bravery or cowardice.

      January 14, 2012 at 1:27 am | Reply
    • Tracy

      They need to go to the uniform store and pick some out... Nice ones... maybe something in tiffany blue...

      January 14, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
      • San Juaninos

        Tracy, I spit my coffee out from laughing so hard!

        January 14, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
      • Tony

        Tracy that is funny as heck, LOL. I love that sense humor. Five stars for the comment. 🙂

        January 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
  23. Damo

    oh and would people who are happy to dump on everything America stands for and throw out our looooong established principles of a fair trial, justice and law PLEASE STOP calling yourselves "patriots" ! Traitors would be a better label.

    January 11, 2012 at 7:19 pm | Reply
  24. me! i meant INNOCENT until proven GUILTY!!! MY BAD!

    January 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Reply
  25. me

    honestly, come on...for those of you out there who think GITMO detainees are taken care of, open your eyes a bit, maybe then you might see the torture going on there. and for those who say "no one should be released in case they are a terrorist" honestly, they could be your neighbor! sure, there might be some terrorists there, but there are also innocent lives at stake here! if you had any human-like sympathy in you, youd look up your local amnesty international chapter and ask what you can do about the abuse going on in GITMO. its guilty until PROVEN INNOCENT for a REASON people....and im just as american as any of you are, open your eyes!

    January 11, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Reply
    • DANO

      "innocent until proven guilty"********** lol

      January 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Reply
  26. jimbo84

    I would not say the detainees at GTMO have it made; but they're certainly well-taken care of with regards to medical care (better than ours), choice of 6 different types of meals, classes, communal living, etc. Many have been offered release to other countries but refuse to go with the 'hope' to be released to the U.S. The 'bad of the bad' at GTMO will never be released – and nor should they.

    I think there were some initially brought in that first year's group that may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time – but those have been released. The guys there now are folks you would not want as your neighbor.

    At issue now is – if suspected terrorists are arrested in the U.S. in the future – where do they go? Is an Al-Qaeda leader is arrested – does he go to Bagram? GTMO? Leavenworth?

    January 11, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  27. C'mon man

    If we release any one of the Gitmo detainees we are putting our country and other countries at risk. It really doesn't matter what is right or wrong in this situation.

    January 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply
    • Tracy

      I don't believe that... They have reason to hate us, but at this point its not as though they could just sail into the US or Europe on a passport and commit a plot..... If they were dropped off in Yemen, the worst thing that could happen is they would get interviewed by the enemy's media and used as a recruiting tool... ("I was taken by the Americans at 18 and waterboarded...etc..") and that, I believe is what our administration is afraid of...

      January 14, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      "It really doesn't matter what is right or wrong"

      Pretty much sums up what our government has become under the past several administrations. Based on the sentiment being expressed here, it seems to be filtering down into the general way of thought of the American people. Too bad. It was a good run while it lasted but I guess after a couple of hundred years, everything wears out.

      January 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Reply
    • David Henry

      There is term for Americans who know 9/11 was a false flag event called Awakened. It is estimated 30% or more KNOW the truth. The WHOLE concept of the 9/11 terrorist is fantasy based on carefully orchestrated plan. Think about it? American is afraid of cave dwelling people with small firearms and cell phones. It took ten years for our trillion dollar U.S. intelligence network to find Bin Laden? When a CNN & ABC news reporters found him and had a face-to-face interviews with him in his cave.

      At what point do say "hey there is something not right with this picture". My awakening came when I saw WTC7 building video come down at FREE FALL speed. BTW I am ex-military veteran and ex-steel worker which worked on high rise buildings. Come on Americans when General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) says " We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. " its time to WAKE UP.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  28. scotty

    Also, you can love your country AND hate your government. I think it is sad that on one hand, we criticize Saudi Arabia about the way they govern their own country and the way they execute those convicted of a crime that they feel warrants the death penalty (beheading), as opposed to the U.S. sending chemicals or electricity through our citizens convicted of crimes we deem needed for the crimes they commited. But then on the other hand, we allow our lovely defense contractors to make a financial killing by selling the military hardware they so covet. Our Government is a bunch of hypocritical, right wing zealots who believe that pornography and marijuana is what is keeping us from God, and our place at His side in our tyrannical quest to squelch out any belief that is not founded in our Constitution (which was written, by the way, by a bunch of people who used to whip people to make them pick their crops while their lazy butts could sit around and drink mint julips) or which cannot be viewed on the 700 Club television network.

    January 11, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Reply
  29. scotty

    For all you people blaming the withholding of these detainees rights on our current president, you need to read the news a bit more. The President ordered the closing of GITMO, but our Congress overrode that. But on a brighter note, at least they did make a decision. Which is more than they can do when it comes to taking money out of Big Business' hand and solving our countries economic woes.

    January 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  30. Jon Durham

    This story rattles me. We admit that these men haven't done anything to be convicted of. But the reason we won't let them go is that we are afraid they will escape prison in Yemen? But.... didn't just admit they haven't even been CHARGED with a crime, much less convicted? I guess the real crime is that these guys said "boo!" and we are still scared like little girls on the playground.

    January 11, 2012 at 2:21 pm | Reply
    • Just me

      how bought that? 90% of the inmates in federal prison say they are innocent of all charges too.

      January 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  31. Arizona

    Someone answer me this: How many times has the United States government intervened in another countries business in order to "create democracy." And how many times has this method actually created a democracy? How many innocent citizens in foreign countries have we killed attempting to do this?

    January 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Reply
    • Adam

      let's see...... this is just off the top of my head mind you but Israel, Western Germany (eventually the whole of Germany), South Korea, Southern Vietnam (until we left), Iraq (yes it still is a democracy), Afghanistan (yes it still is officially a democracy).

      January 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Reply
      • Adam

        as to innocent civilians I can't speak on that but then our people hold up dying for freedom and democracy as a good thing.....and if you don't think there were Iraqi citizens fighting for that freedom you either were never there or didn't read up on it much.

        January 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
  32. Arizona

    Never confuse American citizens with the American government. American citizens are good people, the American government is what polices the world and starts unneeded wars over oil that ends up killing 115,000 iraqi citizens. It is the American government that is bad.

    January 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Reply
    • Jeff Shore

      Thank you, finally a logical person.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    • Adam

      As a Iraq 03 USMC vet and an American citizen I agree 100% with that. I am not the government, I am the people. I have to say though that if those people were not so cowardly in combat as to not wear a uniform denoting their positions most of this would never have happened

      January 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  33. Jeff Shore

    I am sick and tired of people posting that they are "ashamed to be and American". I have a solution for you....Leave ! Please leave this country. Regardless of the injustices and questionable policy makers it is still the best country in the World. People who continue to verbally trash the country, you are not a patriot.

    January 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
    • Arizona

      And people who still blindly support our government without fully understanding the consequences of what it is doing to other countries are uneducated idiots.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
      • Jeff Shore

        did not realize that I said I blindly support our government, you put those words in my mouth and called me an idiot as well....You must be a tough guy and obviously have a feeble mind to resort to name calling. As for your reference to me not being educated, have 8 years of higher level education and I fully understand our consequences on other countries but I will never tolerate people saying they are ashamed to be an American because I am still a very proud American for a variety of reasons.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Kevin Deziel

      The best country in the world? You're high. I would say it is the most militarized.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply
      • Jeff Shore

        I have traveled all over the World and yes I will still say the best country in the world for many different reasons, hopefully if you live here you will be leaving soon.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
      • Kevin Deziel

        I don’t live in America. However, your request for me to leave tells me you're one of the million delusional Americans who believes the world is their playground and while on your travels wonders why everyone doesn’t speak English.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • Jeff Shore

        Actually I have met wonderful and interesting people all around the world from Australia, Italy, Greece, France, India, Croatia, and many more....Pardon me if I think American people are the best. I am patriotic and will not apologize for it. I love your inferences though, it shows that you are of little intellect as you can only send insults.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • klur

      I love my country also. But that doesn't mean I have to ignorantly condone everything our government does without and discernment of good and bad foreign affairs policies. Our policies in the Middle East have proven time and again to be detrimental instead of beneficial to our country. Even the leaders of our military have expressed dissatisfaction over our actions in the Middle East. Will you call them unpatriotic and ask them to leave also?
      Sheep following blindly is not what makes democracy work!!

      January 11, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
      • Jeff Shore

        Another person lashing out and calling me names...I do not blindly follow policy nor do I even respect the current administration but the majority of you can no separate Americans from American Policy and I am intelligent enough to see the difference. The American people are why I love this country and those of you who continue to say that you are "Ashamed" to be an American, I reiterate my previous comments....Leave then !!

        January 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
      • klur

        What name did I call you and did I say that I was ashamed of being an American? On the contrary, I am proud to be a US citizen and I, obviously, know the difference between an American citizen, of which I am one, and government policies, with which I sometimes disagree.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • klur

      And by the way, citizens from other places love their countries also, with very good reasons. like Kevin Deziel for instance. This attitude that we are the best and if you don't like it then just get out- is very juvenile. We are probably the most powerful militarily and financially- but that doesn't make us right all the time.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
      • Jeff Shore

        Where did I ever say we are right all the time? Also, my original comment was in reference to another individual about being ashamed to be an American. Pardon me if I believe that Americans are the best people in the world, I stand by it and will not apologize for it. My comments were if you are "Ashamed" to be an American, then you should absolutely leave this country.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Dominator

      The US has been very successfull spreading democracy – it just takes time (look at Japan and Germany). However, some countries like Iraq and China are not ready for democracy. Democracy isn't easy – it is much harder than any other form of goverment. Why? Because when everyone has a voice then everything from racism to relegious bias to ignorance becomes part of the process. Iraq was better off having a dictator tell them how to live since they can't live together when they are free.

      America was forced to take the role of global policeman after WW2 and the world has been served well by this decision. Sometimes we have gotten our hands dirty – and sometimes we have spent too much time trying to help countries when we should have just left them alone.

      I think we should have left Iraq after Saddam was defeated and I think we should leave Afganistan now. But i am not ashamed to be an American – i am lucky to be an American.

      January 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Reply
      • Kevin Deziel

        That is the best statement I heard. You're very LUCKY to be American that is for sure.

        January 11, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
      • klur

        Well said! The US can not claim full credit but the world would be a different place if it weren't for the influence of the US since WWII. WE have made some bad choices but we have done some good things also!

        January 11, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
      • Jeff Shore

        Could not agree more with anything that you said.

        January 11, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
      • Spell Check

        As a proud American, you should learn to spell better. Just saying...

        January 11, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • AJ

      I have tried to leave, but Canada is very strict in it's immigration policies, much more than ours. Americans cannot claim refugee status. As much as I'd like to, it's much more difficult to emigrate to other countries than you think. "If you don't like it then get out" is a cop out of an argument that should still be had.

      January 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Reply
    • Judith

      I am not ashamed to say I am an American, just thankful that I am not an American.

      Let us look at America!

      1) One in Five Americans are living in Poverty.
      2) America has a quarter of the entire worlds prison population.
      3) America kills people in their Nazi Style death chambers, regardless of whether they are guilty of the crime or not.
      4) A quarter of Americans have no health cover.
      5) America has about the highest murder rate involving firearms in the world.

      January 14, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Reply
  34. Rick

    How much longer will we hold these "detainees"? Is it to be life without parole? Will they ever get their day in court, or at least before a tribunal? Is Guantanamo any different than a Soviet gulag? Can we ever repair our relationships with the Arab world without closing Gitmo and releasing these men? This chapter in American history must be ended.

    January 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
  35. klur

    It becomes a question of what you are left defending. Do you want to defend our democratic country who believes (and preaches to the rest of the world) human rights and the principal of "innocent till proven guilty" by violating those very principals? When you start violating all that we hold dear for the sake of defending our country- then what are you left defending?

    January 11, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Reply
  36. Kevin Deziel

    Americans! They over-identify with their nationalism and suffer from a lack of imagination or empathy: they can't fully appreciate the human consequences of their decisions.

    January 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Reply
    • Tony

      Sorry, I was chomping on a big mac. What did you say?

      January 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
      • Kevin Deziel

        It means their to self absorbed and cannot place themselfs in anothers shoes....I hope that helps.

        January 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
      • Doug

        Shouldn't that be "they're" and "too"?

        January 11, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
      • Doug


        January 11, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Jeff Shore

      Way to generalize, that doesn't show ignorance at all.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
    • Kevin Deziel

      Yep, it should be spelled you’re and too- I guess the point I'm making is meaningless. As for the generalization accusation, just read the comments here.

      January 11, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
      • Dominator

        Maybe the US should just let the world fall into chaos... Isn't that what you want Kevin? Because if the US wasn't trying to make the world better who would? I recognize sometimes good intentions end up becoming a mess when you make mistakes or assume people want to be free (Iraq) but what would happen if the US went back to pre-WW2 when we were an isolationalist country??

        Amercans aren't perfect – and we assume being free is the best way for everyone but it isn't... Only when you think for yourself and are educated is freedom the best option. There are so many people in this world who would trade freedom in a heartbeat for security and to have someone take care of them. Even a large number of Americans want to do this – they just don't understand that when the goverment takes care of you then you are giving up some of your freedom.

        January 11, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  37. Ron Tucker

    The fact that the Obama regime continues this farce is appalling. Coming from Bush this was understandable he was a thug pure and simple. But how can America remain that which we claim to despise? We are holding these men because of what they couldve done or who they were associates of. It's unamerican to say the least. Jihad lives because of these atrocities.

    January 11, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
    • Tony

      You may have to believe there are things you just don't know. I am just saying. I myself think you know it all!

      January 11, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
  38. Jon

    What a mess. Here's the essential problem with Guantanamo, people: let's say that some of these people weren't jihadists to begin with. Guess what? They are now. We *just gave them every reason in the world to be.* What do you do in a situation like that? Do you hold onto an innocent man because you're afraid of what he *might* do?

    January 11, 2012 at 11:25 am | Reply
  39. Someone somewhere

    Funny how so many people can try to take such a moral dilemma as being so cut-and-dry. I imagine when weighing the possible outcomes its not quite so easy provided, of course, that the decision is genuinely being based on the weighted overall best interest of everyone involved. On one hand, there are those involved who may only be suspected of certain crimes, which based on our own values, is not enough to detain them without more evidence. However when you consider that they belong to an organization that is known for atrocities against humanity in general, let alone our own country. At this point now the decision becomes less straight forward. Do we detain them for what we suspect they may have done or may potentially do and be labeled tyranical, and become the villians for going against what people believe we stand for as a country by denying someone what we feel is their due right and an opportunity to lead an otherwise normal life, or do we release them on the grounds that we don't have enough to detain them and risk being proven wrong, should one of them go on to slaughter our own countrymen or worse, and then be labeled for allowing someone like that to go free to begin with? When the other side doesn't play by the rules, there no longer is a definitive right answer.

    January 10, 2012 at 11:58 am | Reply
    • Ron Tucker

      I suppose its not an atrocity to bomb and maim innocent civilians which is what America did, and these folks are suspected of planning, we are worse than they could ever be.

      January 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Reply
      • Tony

        I am sorry, I must of missed the news about how we took over their airliners and flew them into one of their buildings filled with innocent people. I missed that!

        War is hell and people do die. However, there is a huge difference in what the terrorist did and what the US is responsible for.

        January 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
      • Ron Tucker

        We bombed and maimed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians attacking an enemy that numbered in the hundreds at best. Are we really any better than those who destroyed the twin towers? Our day is coming.

        January 11, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
      • Huh?

        Ron, you are an absolute fool. There is a big difference between war and terrorism. Grow up.

        January 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
      • Ron Tucker

        The only difference between the war and terrorism is the who is doing the labeling. I am sure the terrorist think they are at war with America.

        January 11, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • klur

      It becomes a question of what you are left defending. Do you want to defend our democratic country who believes (and preaches to the rest of the world) human rights and the principal of "innocent till proven guilty" by violating those very principals? When you start violating all that we hold dear for the sake of defending our country- then what are you left defending?

      January 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  40. buctrain

    I find it interesting that when Bush said that these persons were too dangerous and needed to stay at Gitmo that he was called a criminal by most Democrats and the current presidnet, but now it is OK to keep the persons detained?

    January 10, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
    • Troy'O

      Human rights do not change just because the leadership has. It was not, is not and will never be ok to detain people without a fair trial.

      January 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
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  43. MAC

    On the Trust and Integrity rankings these detainees are down there with politicians and lawyers. They need to be locked up and the key thrown away.

    January 10, 2012 at 5:48 am | Reply

    if a few innocent must be detained for life without trial, in order to keep them from committing possible future acts of terrorism, so be it. if there innocent im sorry for the injustice they have received, but if my government feels they are threats, then they are probably threats, which would make them threats to me. i might be an idiot or an ass or even a Hippocrates.(which may be spelled wrong) and i may dislike a lot of fellow Americans, but love the rest, i even love people that are not American, i guess i am just a people lover, and i even love my country through better or worse, BUT i love my family more. so if it takes a little injustice or justice to keep my family safe, let it be. and if any one is curious, yes it would suck if I or someone I knew were innocent and in those shoes, but we are not, i guess you just cant be in the wrong place at the wrong time..

    trials are overrated anyhow, to many loop holes to play with.

    January 10, 2012 at 5:38 am | Reply
    • 4sanity

      Guess what. Your logic and others who think along the same lines, just made you and your family LESS SAFE. Guantanamo is an abomination that degrades everything we as a civil society expect and stand for.

      It is easy to demonize someone or some group, but I for one don't take any "government's word" that someone is a BAD GUY and needs to be locked up. Provide evidence in a public court of law. Then I accept the conclusion f

      January 10, 2012 at 6:24 am | Reply
      • Jeff

        I volunteer you, your family and all your loved ones to be offered up to these animals first. Phony, misplaced compassion.

        January 11, 2012 at 11:20 am |
      • Troy'O

        To Jeff's not about compassion. It's about justice and protecting freedom. Governments have proven, time after time, that they will become more corrupt and will detain, "disappear" and torture those who oppose them. Usually those governments are facing opposition for very good reason. This hands the tools to the tyrants. A lot of these tools have been handed to the tyrants in the last decade. As of this week any US citizen can now be detained without due process. Liberty is dead.

        January 11, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • 4sanity

      Guess what. Your logic and others who think along the same lines, just made you and your family LESS SAFE. Guantanamo is an abomination that degrades everything we as a civil society expect and stand for.

      It is easy to demonize someone or some group, but I for one don't take any "government's word" that someone is a BAD GUY and needs to be locked up. Provide evidence in a public court of law (in a reasonable period of time). Then I accept the conclusion for imprisonment.

      January 10, 2012 at 6:25 am | Reply
    • Quid Malmborg in Plano TX

      So you must naturally agree with President Obama for signing the NDAA. If you're willing to sacrifice your freedom for comfort you deserve neither. People like you are a threat to innocent citizens. You should be locked up for the safety of others (maybe even your own!).

      January 10, 2012 at 6:51 am | Reply
    • buctootim

      "Trials are overrated anyway". Views like this from its own citizens are far more dangerous to America than any detainee in Guantanamo

      January 10, 2012 at 8:00 am | Reply
    • jim

      How can so many of you ignore the fact that our judicial system has become a joke. I don't want some terrorist scum running loose in the world just because a prosecutor can't prove his guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt, which seems to be the current requirement (witness the Casey Anthony trial).

      January 11, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
      • a_najed_guy_in_mcdonalds

        The Anthony trial was a joke. Contrary to the armchair quarterbacks (and nancy grace – vomit) the evidence was largely circumstantial and very weak.

        January 14, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Ron Tucker

      What if it were you or your family that they detained without trial or evidence?

      January 11, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Reply
    • chf

      The paranoia that many of you sheep have bought into is pathetic. The chance of you getting killed a by terrorist is less than the chance of getting struck by lightning, less than dying in a car crash, less than domestic murder. In the grand scheme of things, placing such heavy emphasis on securing safety over such a low threat is backwards thinking. People are so eager to give up their liberties for the assurance of safety, safety which can never be guaranteed. The ignorance and fear in Republican voter base is saddening

      January 11, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
    • Someone

      I find the use of Hippocrates to be ironic. "Primum non nocerum"

      January 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Reply
  45. Fr33th1nk3r

    While it is VERY EASY to criticize this administration or the previous one for human rights abuses like Gitmo and Abu Gharaib, one has to look at the big picture too. CNN has a very strong left slant– even left wingers acknolege that. And the above article is a perfect example of CNN trying to paint the enemy as "ordinary people doing ordinary things" that you or I would be doing if our situations were switched. They are NOT.

    The truth of the matter is– you NEED TO READ UP ON SOME OF THE personalities we are holding in Gitmo right now. CNN picked the three or four most harmless ones to write an opinion piece about and create more anti-American propaganda with. There are a LOT of gfenuinely BAD people staying there, and are right where they belong. A lot of the detainees really are too dangerous to release, and too dangerous to be given a trial and risk letting them get away through some legal loophole. It creates quite the ethical problem for us as a country....

    Some of these militants were picked up engaged in some of the most engregious and heinous acts of violence to support terrorist operations and 9/11. One guy was into human trafficking girls under the age of 4 for future prostitution, and his funds gained from his international, multi-million $ operation were going straight into the Taliban's treasury in Afghanistan. Another man and woman were into selling unwanted female babies from poor middle eastern families to raise money for terrorism. You have drug dealers, assassins, suicide bombers and violent Islamic idealists– all slime, all too dangerous to risk allowing them to go free, all swine that do not deserve our pity or jurisprudence.

    January 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • Hou323

      But if they are such bad guys, with such deplorable records, why can't we just try them under U.S. law for what we claim they did and be done with it? I'm not saying they aren't bad guys, but if they really did what they are accused of, and the military does have legitimate evidence, they could be tried properly and we could avoid the whole selling our souls and morals debacle. And if not, then perhaps they should be set on their merry way.

      Part of the problem of being a righteous society is that being truly just can often be more difficult and taxing than being unjust. It is one of the prices of true freedom and human rights.

      January 10, 2012 at 1:49 am | Reply
    • Paul Ronco

      Just because a person is not a US citizen does not mean the United States can throw away its own laws regarding how it detains them. Holding people without charge or trial is arbitrary detention and is clearly and specifically designated as illegal under the Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and International Law. You may prefer a tyranny; I don't, and it's not what millions of Americans died for over the past two hundred and fifty years either.

      January 10, 2012 at 2:50 am | Reply
      • Don

        If the terrorists themselves would follow international law and the Geneva Convention by putting uniforms on then Gitmo would never have been an issue. We would know who the combatents are. Evidence takes time, instead of blaming our governemnt blame the Taliban and Al Qaida.

        January 10, 2012 at 4:50 am |
    • Mr. Sinister

      By replacing a few words here and there with "Jews," one would almost think that your comment was a propaganda spiel from a Nazi in World War II.

      January 10, 2012 at 5:16 am | Reply
    • buctootim

      You have the evidence then try them in a court of law. Anything else makes a mockery of America's constitution, degrades the name of the country and promotes not reduces anger. There may have been a case for holding people in detention for a short time when Al Queda was at its most dangerous. Holding people in jail without charge for 11 years is a disgrace only the most authoritarian and unjust countries in the world would attempt. You really dont want to be in the N Korea and Burma club.

      January 10, 2012 at 7:48 am | Reply
  46. ron

    Free them or shoot them. I don't want to support them for the rest of their days. But ignoring and sidestepping the Geneva Convention is not the answer. If our boys were treated this way, there would be heck to pay! That hellhole should have been closed long ago. It is an abomination. It is not what America stands for. It is not what Americans believe. We used to curse the Soviet Union for treating people this way. It's just a gulag that George Bush, Dick Cheney, & Donald Rumsfeld dreamt up on their death star. Personally, I think all three should be sent there for a good, first hand, up close and personal, water boarding, and incarcerated for treason against our country. Through their actions, our country & others have seen our darkest hours since the twenties.

    January 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Their actions also saved the lives of many Americans as well.

      If I were President– and I had to choose between screwing over a few REALLY bad people at Gitmo (and maybe drawing the ire of left-wingers) and letting thousands of unknowing, innocent American civilians die– I can definitely tell you what I would choose. I can grease one handful of bad people.....I would take that moral hit if I go to my grave one day knowing I made a choice that saved thousands of my own fellow Americans over some handful of swine that we picked up overseas engaged in human trafficking and peddling opium to kids to pay for Al-Queda
      s war machine....

      January 9, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
      • U.S. Sucks

        you know what.. your brain is full of shit that's why you have stinking thinking.. and i think that what all Americans had in their brain. America is the only country in the World which are having problems with Threat. They were never a threat to U.S. America made them as Threat by themselves by attacking other countries and treating them like pice of Sh*t. I don't understand why do Americans have problem with rest of the world. Why do they think that they are right everytime. They don't have right to detain these people without any type on strong evidence. If anyother country will do the samething then U.S is the one who will comment in that issue first. It, always U.S who creates problem for themselves. They Invade Iraq saying that they have nuclear weapon, and when they Invade they change it in Enduring Freedom. Having Strict Law U.S is the country which has one of the Highest Crime Rate in World. They can't take care of their own people and they want to make secure the whole world.Those people had almost lost their at least 10 Years in Prison for nothing, and now what do you think that they will be happy with that , they will just let it go. I don't think so, even if they will get released for 1 day they goona hit U.S no matter what. God save America from Rest of the World. They claim as the Strongest Country in the World guess what America is the Only country in the world which feels Insecure. Even if someone will Fart little bit loudly man Gorvenment will be freakout with high Alert saying that we just got hit .

        January 10, 2012 at 5:42 am |
      • 4sanity

        The POTUS is sworn to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the land. There's no left/right opinion on this.

        If doesn't matter what you or anyone THINKS about these BAD GUYS (??). Prove it within our judicial system or let them go. Either we are a country of laws or we're not. No one gets to "arbitrarily" decide to imprison people indefinitely without tiral or legal accountability.

        And if you can't see the (im)moral mess that Guatanamo has created, I'm glad that you are not and never will be POTUS. If you were, my alllegiance to our form of government would be over. And soldiers who died to establish and protect our liberties would roll over in their graves for shame.

        January 10, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • Paul Ronco

      >> That hellhole should have been closed long ago. It is an abomination. It is not what America stands for.

      Shooting them so that you do not have to keep paying for their incarceration is not what America stands for either.

      January 10, 2012 at 2:37 am | Reply
    • Paul Ronco

      >> Personally, I think all three should be sent there for a good, first hand, up close and personal, water boarding,

      You've bought into Cheneyan neoconservative nonsense and FOX News talking points. Most professional interrogators reject the use of waterboarding as a blunt and ineffective tool for information gathering. It tends to produce false information, and it hardens the criminal and makes it much more difficult to establish the level of trust necessary to obtain good information. Waterboarding, and torture in general, makes the world less safe. It is internationally illegal under the Geneva Convention, and it not only endangers captured U.S. troops, but captured troops of U.S. allies all over the world.

      January 10, 2012 at 2:42 am | Reply
  47. JIm P.

    Charge them with a crime or release them. Holding them because they someday *might* be a threat goes against everything this country stands for.

    I am a conservative, a son of three generations of military and this is not what how we as Americans should act. We are better than that.

    January 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm | Reply
    • Lagos

      Maybe you should spend more time educating yourself or maybe taking a high school-level government class instead of commenting on CNN articles. Foreign citizens are not protected by the US Constitution. People captured in battle or aiding the enemy in other wars didn't get this level of sympathy and scrutiny, and in many cases are being treated a lot better than some of our own citizens did in WWII and our own troops in 'Nam.

      January 10, 2012 at 12:23 am | Reply
      • NYC_GraffKING

        You are right, because if people aren't American they aren't human or deserve any rights. If they aren't American they aren't human right? let them rot in prison? (sarcasm).

        You are the reason why the world hates America you...

        January 10, 2012 at 12:41 am |
      • Paul Ronco

        It wouldn't matter if foreign citizens were protected by the US Constitution anyway. Police are using military drones over US airspace now, our unmistakable Constitutional privacy right as guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment has been shredded, and Obama is the first president in US history execute an American citizen abroad without charge or warrant, even though it's widely believed that it was Bush who first gave himself that power... widely regarded by most historians (and our Founding Fathers) as the defining mark of a tyrant. So while you are busy advising intelligent Americans who are opposed to endless spending on war to "spend more time educating yourself or maybe taking a high school-level government class instead of commenting on CNN articles," you yourself should be the one to brush up on current events.

        January 10, 2012 at 2:35 am |
      • 4sanity

        Actually you are wrong. These people are being held by US military forces. They are therefore subject to US laws irrespective of where they are being held: the most important aspect of which is habeus corpus. And the fact that the previous administration (and the current one) tries to skirt around and create legal loopholes by holding them offshore on leased Cuban soil, redefine them through creative linguistics (enemy combatants ?) or try them by kangaroo "military tribunals" is sickening.

        Arbitrary, indefinite imprisonment without legal recourse is the single biggest self-inflicted wound America created since the whole mess started with 9/11. I have no sympathy for terrorists and want them incarcerated. But I insist it be done in accordance with proper legal proceedings and based on evidence, not Bush/Cheney/Obama/Jack Bauer or anyone else's personal gut feelings.

        January 10, 2012 at 6:13 am |
      • U.S. Sucks

        Your comment didn’t surprise me, I knew it an American can only be this stupid and dumb. I think you are too proud of what you are and what you are speaking... Let me tell you one thing, the language you are speaking is not even your language. So, don’t be so proud of that. Do, you know what language do they speak in rest of the world nop.. So, who needs education now? If those people are not protected by U.S Constitution then what the f**k U.S soldiers are doing there, are they having some kind of picnic over there? You know what acting like a insane you are a threat to civilians and your surroundings you and your family should be detained too. Your country is rich in economics and do you know from where it came from? What do you think why did U.S invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and help Libya civilians?? It’s for Oil and minerals. Did they found any MDS in Iraq nop... if they didn’t find it then what the hell they were doing for 10 years? They were exporting oil from there to U.S. I just want to see U.S engaging in war with Pakistan, India, Iran, China, Russia and North Korea. And we will know the power of U.S military

        January 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • Mr. Sinister

      We incarcerate and forcibly drug 1.5 million "mental patients" in the USA every year on the basis that they "might" do something wrong, yet you are worried about a handful of terror suspects? Where is the outcry against the violation of the human and civil rights of the other 1.5 million who lose their freedom and are tortured with drugs and electroshock "therapy" without ever having committed a crime and without ever receiving due process?

      January 10, 2012 at 5:21 am | Reply
  48. YourMom

    "he’d gone to Kandahar to study the Koran" – same thing as terrorism dude, sorry...

    January 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Reply
    • Paul Ronco

      It's an interesting new legal framework that states that going to a major capital city to study one of the world's largest religions makes you a terrorist. I wasn't aware. I can only imagine how many other terrorists go to mosques for morning prayers in Kandahar every day. Perhaps we should just start bombing them instead.

      January 9, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply
      • YourMom

        I can only imagine too! Think of all that plotting going on in those mosques everyday! I agree with you that we should step up our attack on Islam.

        January 9, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
      • Paul Ronco

        Great, I'll give you a gun and you can be the first to go. You won't be sending my kids. I raised mine with Christian values... you know, the ones that say that human beings aren't cockroaches. Maybe my Sunday School is a little rusty, but I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

        January 10, 2012 at 2:30 am |
    • NYC_GraffKING

      Word, lets kill all the kids in Catholic Schools, Sunday School, Hebrew School. All people who read and study religious texts become extremist and terrorist... stoopid.

      January 10, 2012 at 12:43 am | Reply
      • LR

        Word? Did you actually type WORD? LOL! Unbelievable.

        January 14, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • a_najed_guy_in_mcdonalds

      That's why I got my Koran on Kindle.

      January 14, 2012 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  49. Hubert

    'Too dangerous to release'? NOT TRUE, just release them somewhere over the middle east from a jet, traveling at 30,000 feet..............

    January 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Reply
  50. Paul Ronco

    If they're too dangerous to release, then charge them with a crime and convict them in a court of law using evidence. Until then, the government's assurances that these men are too dangerous to release without a shred of evidence to support it is, in my patriotic opinion, "too dangerous to believe." We are a nation of laws, not a nation of hunches.

    January 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Reply
    • Jerry99

      Nonsense. take them out in a boat away from Cuba, put them in the water and point toward the East and tell them to start swimming.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Reply
      • Paul Ronco

        It's human nature to resort to humor when one has nothing intelligent to say in an argument. It diverts others' attention from the seriousness of the subject.

        January 9, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      Prisoners of War (POW) have NEVER been entitled to a trial, lawyer, or courtroom appearance. I am all for supporting the US Constitution, and everything it stands for, but I think some of us have glaring misconceptions about what protections it actually does give.

      January 9, 2012 at 11:53 pm | Reply
  51. David Christenson

    The Department of Justice has bloggers that post comments. It is propaganda just like in Nazi Germany. The DOJ also has websites as well. Propaganda again. The DOJ is trying to desensitize the American people to the loss of their Constitutional and Civil liberties. Americans are now classified as terrorists and can be killed.
    Ceckout Open tabs AABT and documents and scroll down and double click on every line to see the documents.

    January 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Tragically this is the case. We have gone very far down that slippery slope. When you think of how many people sacrificed everything for the rights we once had and are fast losing, it is tragic.

      January 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
  52. JOE


    Well, don't just call me names. If you disagree with what I said then state exactly why you disagree with my comments and perhaps you could correct me if I said something wrong. You rightwing conservatives like to call people names but you never address the issues with facts. I'd respect you people a little if only you would try to have an open dialogue with concrete facts rather than name calling because name calling doesn't really help anyone to understand your position on the issues. So if you would, let's try again.

    January 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • GMAN

      Joe, your comments really dont need to be refuted as your "facts" are suspect. #1) I guess the videos of Iraqi tanks running through the streets of Kuwait City slipped by you. #2) Negotiating with the taliban pre 9-11??? Are you serious?? That shows a little naivete on your part. Iraq defence for that debacle.

      January 9, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Hey Joe you want to see some irrational BS, some "blind" name calling, some just plain venom spewing with no facts to back it up AT ALL, just look down the page a little to the huge post by the nut who calls themselves "Joe". THERE is someone who needs some professional help. Badly.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Reply
    • Bryant

      Please let this Republican point out your mistakes.
      Your claim: First Gulf War was illegitimate. Fact refuting your claim: U.N. Security Council resolution 678 which provided empowered states to use “all necessary means” to force Iraq out of Kuwait.
      Your claim: No proof whatsoever that Iraq actually invaded Kuwait. Fact refuting your claim: U.N. Security Council resolution 660 which called for a removal of all Iraqi forces from Kuwait; U.N. Security Council resolution 661 which placed economic sanctions on Iraq for invading Kuwait; U.N. Security Council resolution 665 which authorized a blockade to enforce U.N. Security Council resolution 661. On 12 August 1990 Saddam Hussein himself called for a compromise for his removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. The leader of Iraq himself confessed to having invaded Kuwait.
      Your claim: the removing of babies from incubators by Iraqi troops did not happen. Actually, this one is correct, I saw the same program. However, the Iraqis were in Kuwait City, they just were not committing that particular crime.
      Hope this helps.
      Thanks in advance!

      January 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm | Reply
  53. Flyboy7588

    Kill'em all. The world will be a much safer place and heck, they all want to see allah anyway.

    January 9, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Al

      I am surprised at the unbelievable ignorance that people are making about this article. These prisoners are being held with barely any evidence, and you guys are saying "kill them all." What kind of monsters are you people?

      January 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Reply
      • NYC_GraffKING

        They are monsters called Americans....

        January 10, 2012 at 12:44 am |
  54. MashaSobaka

    If they weren't terrorists before, they sure are now. Great job, feds. Great job.

    January 9, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Reply
    • joe

      Yep, that's the problem. I'm sure there were many innocents, but what do you do? I'm sure they're bottled with hate, and have more connections than ever. That's the problem with arresting innocents in the first place.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:05 pm | Reply
      • Hubert

        How are you sure there were plenty of innocents? Really Joe, how do you know that? Were you there? Hmmm Joe?

        January 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  55. total non sense

    EXECUTE THEM. PERIOD. keeping these NON HUMAN alive is a waste of money. they do not even qualify as animals.

    January 9, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Reply
    • Kevin Deziel

      Wow! spoken like a true
      the fr***ing judical system has not even proven their guilt you idiot!

      January 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Reply
      • miptrooper

        I agree. Execute them. What happened to any person, not in a military uniform that attacked U.S. Troops in WWII? Summary Execution.

        January 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
      • Al

        Thank you, at least there is one other person here who thinks this is unfair!

        January 9, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
      • 4sanity

        You do realize that the majority of prisoners held at Guantanamo were handed to US forces in Afghanistan and Iraq by local militias for bounty. In other words, picked up off the street and given up for cash. Just a slight conflict of interest, don't you think ? The number "caught" in combat is small.

        January 10, 2012 at 6:32 am |
    • Joe Fed

      Wow, ignorant people like yourself are one of the many reasons I am truely embarassed and ashamed to be an American. After reading an article like this all I can think of is how truely evil and vindictive this country has become. And whats worse is that stupid brainwashed individuals like yourself and the majority of this pitiful nation eat up all this americanized propaganda like the greedy, uneducated masses that we are. The fact that our government still has support from the rest of the nation is mind-boggling, especially as many times as they've been caught lying to the public.
      I’m not gonna go as far to say that everyone in this prison is innocent, that would be a bunch of crap. But what I will say is that each one of these men in prison deserves to have a trial. Saying that even though we don’t have a shread of evidence on some of them but that they are still too dangerous to ever be released is BS. If these were American prisoners being held in Afganistan without evidence or a trial I don’t think the public would be as ok with it. But that’s where the real problem in this country is. People like to blame politicians for lying but how is that news, politics has always been lies. The people who are to be blamed are the public. It’s the public that lets the government do whatever it wants, it’s the public that is fine with loosing freedoms as long as we can still watch tv and get fat. Ignorant, greedy, self-absorbed, overwieght Americans who have been fortunate enough to have been born in america, far from the reality of the rest of the world. And being Americans, we of course look down on the rest of the world because we’re better. What a load of s#@%. Everything is given to us in this country, I personally look up to the rest of the world for actually having to earn what they have.
      Theres no doubt in my mind that we are mistreating these prisoners, its because of people like you! People that believe that because of where these people are from, and what they worship, that they are less than human. You automaticly see them as terrorists because of their nationallity. You criticize what you understand only from bias news channels and websites that are controlled by people like Rupert Murdoch (who controls what version of the news you actually hear). We the public have been trained over the past decade to see middle-easterners as violent, evil people who are less than human when the majority of these people are just trying to survive in one of the most dangerous places on earth. No American has the right to criticize these people because theres no way you can possibly understand their way of life. We take our most simple freedoms for granted here, these people don’t know what real freedom is. We don’t have real violence in our country, not the way they do there. I doubt the majority of Americans could survive one day living in the conditions that they do there. And it’s because of human waste like yourself that it’s taking so long for peace. Because you would rather sound off like some hate-monger and stereotype people than actually make an intelligent comment or form your own opinion. Such a tool, tsk tsk tsk.
      So next time you decide to call someone non-human think about the people you consider human. I can respect someone lives in conditions like the middle-east and has the balls to fight for what they believe in. What I can’t respect is some nitwit who declares that somebody does not even qualify as an animal because of their beliefs, I have more respect dog s@#t at the park.

      January 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Reply
      • joga

        "The people get the government they deserve"- Maistre

        January 9, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
      • John F.

        Joe – I wouldn't be siding with terrorists on grounds of humunity (many would say anything to lie their way out of punishment and imprisonment, most not if "all" are guilty and you are supporting mass murderers, while criticizing americans as uneducatiional (wrong) b/c you feel sorry for the terrorist. Personally, I would burn them at a stake and save millions holding them and cost of trial, considering they support the death of americans and would kill millions of innocent americans if they had a chance

        January 9, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
      • 4sanity

        Well said.

        January 10, 2012 at 6:35 am |
  56. Zexufang

    MIT you are correct.

    I find it strange that that there is all this angst and hand wringing over fanatical religious zealots who want to chop our heads off; and this is AFTER they hi-jack airplanes and fly them into buildings.

    No mercy.
    Justice delayed is justice denied.

    Think about it – less than a generation ago – hundreds of people were given two choices: burn alive or jump out the window.

    Just curious to know what would Mahmoud Abd al Aziz do?

    January 9, 2012 at 4:12 pm | Reply
  57. Truthwillsetyoufree

    What about knocking them out, hiding a GPS somewhere on them and sending them home. Track everyone one of them and clean house...

    January 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  58. MazeAndBlue

    Paint and release them. Keep them in our cross hairs.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Reply
  59. JOE

    The first Gulf war was as illegitimate and irrelevent as the second Gulf war and the invasion of Afghanistan. First of all, after we supposedly liberated Quait from the so-called invasion of Iraq in 1991, their was no proof whatsoever that Iraq actually invaded Quait. All those pre-war reports of the Quaitee interior ministry and other government facilities being occupied and vandalized proved to be false. I remember watching an interview with the Quaitee Prince in 2007 on CBS's Sixty Minutes and the Prince admitted that all those allegations before the UN that Iraq was removing babies from their incubators were false but were done so to influence the war. So just imagine all these American casualties and wasted money spent on the first Gulf war fabricated by a lie. Then in terms of the second Gulf war, we all know the infamous stories GWB cooked up about WMD's. Anjd as far as Afghanistan is concerned, I do not believe it was necessary to destabilized the entire country to go after a terrorist cell in al Qaeda. And if we had negotiated and work with the Taliban government, this war would have been over at least five years ago. But again, these are some of the typical and ourtageous misjudgement of the Republicans in our government.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • eman

      joe you really are a complete jackass....

      January 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Reply
      • Kunst

        Well, I guess you told him! Obviously it is unnecessary to support your opinion when dismissing a heretic.

        January 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
      • dr. perry fisher

        Uncalled for .

        January 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Shane

      Kuwait.... Not with a "Q"

      January 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Reply
    • Flyboy7588

      He's right, Joe is a complete jackass.

      January 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • Bryant

      Hey Joe,
      if the first Gulf War was a lie, then why did Iraq surrender? Why were dead Iraqi soldiers found in Kuwait? Why were live Iraqi soldiers captured in Kuwait? Why were Iraqi soldiers captured in Kafji by Qatari and Saudi forces? Let me guess, everyone got together and formed a conspiracy.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Reply
    • Bryant

      Please let this Republican point out your mistakes.
      Your claim: First Gulf War was illegitimate. Fact refuting your claim: U.N. Security Council resolution 678 which provided empowered states to use “all necessary means” to force Iraq out of Kuwait.
      Your claim: No proof whatsoever that Iraq actually invaded Kuwait. Fact refuting your claim: U.N. Security Council resolution 660 which called for a removal of all Iraqi forces from Kuwait; U.N. Security Council resolution 661 which placed economic sanctions on Iraq for invading Kuwait; U.N. Security Council resolution 665 which authorized a blockade to enforce U.N. Security Council resolution 661. On 12 August 1990 Saddam Hussein himself called for a compromise for his removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. The leader of Iraq himself confessed to having invaded Kuwait.
      Your claim: the removing of babies from incubators by Iraqi troops did not happen. Actually, this one is correct, I saw the same program. However, the Iraqis were in Kuwait City, they just were not committing that particular crime.
      Hope this helps.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Reply
  60. Jason K

    If I were an 18 year old boy, captured, detained, and tortured for 10 years, I would probably join up with any group opposed to my captors if I were released too. This is not terroristic behavior, its common sense. Something we Americans have lacked for at least half a century. Maybe if we pulled our military out of their countries, beefed our own defenses and used our intelligence divisions for intel instead of bombing people, maybe...just maybe they would eventually stop hating us. Does now one understand the term "blowback" or the simple law of physics that every action has an equal opposite reaction? I don't support "terrorists" but I can understand why some people would become "freedom fighters" in within the borders of their own countries. We call them cowards because they blow themselves up and use IEDs. But take a minute and think about it. How else can they damage us? They can't win in a "fair" fight.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Reply
    • Chris

      Please enlighten me how ALL Americans have no commonsense. That is such unintelligent statement to make about your countrymen. Stating that makes u sound like a jerk

      January 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Reply
    • Flyboy7588

      Hey Jason, whose side are you on anyway??????

      January 9, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  61. Benji Lincoln Jefferson Esquire, Jr.

    The constitution never promised fair treatment of those who wish to destroy this nation. The Geneva Accord is just an agreement to treat prisoners with respect, feed them, and house them in hospitable conditions. As for legal protections there is not anything on Earth that says any nation must return fighters to their army when the war is still going on. Since Al Queda has dfined an eterna war, then we must have an eternal prison of war.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Reply
    • Mr. C

      Yessir. Perfectly right

      January 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Reply
    • Jason K

      But who determines and by what means that someone wishes the downfall of this country. Our own leaders in Washington wish the downfall of this country right in front of our own eyes with things like the NDAA, SOPA, and Patriot Act which strip fundimental rights endowed in us by our "creator" (whoever you think that is) and protected by our constitution that our leaders routinely wipe their @$$ with.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Reply
      • Flyboy7588

        Hey Jason, you want to protect our nation? Start by throwing the Marxist out of the White House. Let me guess, you voted for Obama, right????????

        January 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Kunst

      "The constitution never promised fair treatment of those who wish to destroy this nation."

      I could easily imagine hearing these words from the leadership of Iran, China, or any other tyranny that afflicts this planet. What you mean is, you are SO right that those you define as the enemy are guilty by definition and have no rights. You are no better than those you speak of.

      January 9, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Reply
  62. Vet

    I hope for a future when the UN or NATO does its job and stands up to terrorist regime's. But since the rest of the world seems more content on sitting on their hands while people die and suffer, I guess the job of keeping crazy would be dictators afraid falls to the USA. Now let a terrorist attack kill 3,000 innocent civilians in your country and see how you feel. I am proud to be in the US military and I have been boots on groud 3 times in the middle east, and each and every time I have been thanked by the local people and told how much better things are since we removed the Taliban and Sadham Hussein. Untill the ENTIRE world wants to stand up and DO something about terrorist they are always going to have the upper hand. Ohh and I hope we DO go to war with Iran and shut ahmadinejad and his regime up for good.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Reply
    • Kevin Deziel

      Mr. Vet,

      I would like to congratulate you on the service you have given to your country. However, that does not change the argument regarding detainees. If you wish the American military to be the world militia and play by their own rules – they are doing that. However, “war on terror “has been a poorly planned out and dangerous decision. Simply look at where it has gotten. No fewer acts of terrorism have been occurring. In fact it is worst worldwide. On a side note, I am sure that members of the population of the countries you have occupied have thanked you and shown appreciation. It does not change the fact that the majority of the citizens of both Iraq and Afghanistan would like the US military occupation to end. Finally, you wishing for yet another military intervention with Iran make me sad for you and for all Americans.

      January 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm | Reply
      • Vet

        YOU make me sad, you say you want peace and equality for all? Then you have to be willing to fight for it. These Islamic extremists dont want peace for all or equal rights. They want to be rich, sit on their butts and and kill people in the name of "god". I dont buy it. Bad guys need a force to fear, they need to be afraid to do the evil things they do. We still treat these prisoners with 110% more dignity and respect than the organizations that they represent. For every one of these "innocent" detainees there are hundreds of people that have been questioned and released by US & NATO forces. If we have kept them this long then they are credible threats to our security as a nation.

        January 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
      • Flyboy7588

        Hey Kevie, STFU. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I trust Vet far more than I would a bleeding heart lib like you.

        January 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
      • John F.

        though I'm a social justice advocate, right is right, wrong is wrong, I have to side with Vet on the above comments. It would make me sad to hear that a american would side with Iran over his own country that display freedom and rights that the world envy except for a few crazy and/or dictator country that are disrespectful and evil to its people. Iran preisdent talked about wipping Israel off the map of the world and soon after, they want to build a bomb that could wipe Israel off the map (one of the nuke plants isn't for making electricity but for nuclear development not associated with electricity

        January 9, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
  63. JOE

    Too dangerous to be released? Why not release them on Crawford Ranch? Then perhaps we can weigh in on how rehabilitated they are. And if they set the "Bush" on fire and violate their parole then we can detain them in Jackson Hole Wyoming.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • Flyboy7588

      Hey Joey, you should see someone about that Bush derrangement syndrome you seem to be suffering from. Idiot.

      January 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Reply
  64. Kevin Deziel

    President Barack Obama rang in the New Year by signing the NDAA law with its provision allowing him to indefinitely detain citizens. The American administration has fought any challenges to indefinite detention by preventing a true court review – Forever reminding the American people of September 11th. Moreover, most experts agree that such indefinite detention of citizens violates the Constitution. It must be even more insulting to those fighting or supporting US troops by denying the very principles for which you are fighting and dying for. "Obama administration’s list of 46 detainees too dangerous to release but "not feasible for prosecution." It was 48 before one committed suicide and another died while exercising." I thought only a judge can make such a determination after due process, for which these detainees have not yet received. My final thoughts are to the American people, "ignorance does not protect you from international condemnation." Sooner or later you will be forced to comply with international norms.

    January 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm | Reply
  65. pinkiepi

    How exactly is the US any better than Iran?

    January 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • Nisroc

      You cannot compare the two countries right now because of the media spreading propaganda to make each country look better. We see USA rescues Iran sailors right at the peek of tensions between the two counties but as someone said was this a plot to ease tensions or to make USA look like they are the good country?

      Iran has the right to Nuclear weapons as USA is. My concern is not that Iran has nukes rather that Iran is inexperienced with the technology and could create cause a disaster from this inexperience. If USA did not have WMD then USA would have every right to request that Iran stop it Nuclear programs.

      I really see a possibility of a new war happening here and if it does happen USA will be blamed for it regardless of if USA enters the war or not.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
    • Benji Lincoln Jefferson Esquire, Jr.

      We have much better plumbing, medical care, education, religious freedoms, transportation, housing, retail, entertainment, sex life, and toilets.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Reply
      • Jason K

        Have you been there? Do you know that for a fact? And if so, maybe they would if we didn't freeze all their bank accounts.

        January 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Jason K

      China hasn't imposed sanctions on us yet...

      January 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Reply
    • Flyboy7588

      Huh Pinkie, we don't treat women like third class citizens here nor do we stone them for wanting to get out of arranged marriages (which is not prevalent here either). Are you a friggin' moron???????

      January 9, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
      • Linda

        No, they don't stone women in the United States; just think though, how women are treated here.

        January 9, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  66. KeithTexas

    America should live by our principles. When we did that as a nation we were a great country. Now that we act just like everyone else we are a country of scared cowards. It is time to reclaim our freedom; it is time to live with courage.

    Send them home, if we meet them on the battle field again, so be it.

    January 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Reply
    • Nisroc

      Keith what you said about America being a great country again would happen if the USA just settled down, quit playing world police, quit using force to try create peace. Peace comes by talking not by threats or by guns. when america learns to put it guns away and talk to find a solution without the wake of destruction it will be a great nation. America is about personal gain, America is about who is the lesser, American is about greed. The part is America gains, greeds and decides who is a lesser even in it own country.

      I do not think you are cowards I think George Bush has brain wash most Americans to the point they do not know what is right. Obama may not be doing the best job as a president but he does have to clean up 8 years of Bush's mess and you ask me he is doing a much better job.

      America could be a role model country if it changed many of its ways. I used to want to be an American until George Bush Changed the country.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
      • Flyboy7588

        Let me guess Nisroc, your a big Obamabot, right? You sound like a friggin' dope.

        January 9, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • RAWoD

      I agree. Release them, however, with a simple pledge: menace or attack the US or any citizen and prepare to die on the spot. (ps - don't wait up for the virgins).

      January 9, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
      • MJE

        So you want to just release them and wait for them to commit a viloent act again?? Tell you what how bout they release them into your town or community and see how you feel then

        January 9, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Jason K

      Many of them were never on a battlefield. There have been stories on CNN in the past of people being sold by Pakistani mercs to the CIA for money. Its like an Al-Qaida scapegoat slave trade. Granted, I'm sure there are some people in Gitmo that do belong there. But if we never give them trials or research their stories how do we know...we don't even care.

      January 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  67. Brian

    The US Govt can hold people for 8+ years without charges being laid against them, but when an CIA spy gets caught in Iran messing around, and then is tried for treason, then found guilty the US Govt cries... "it's not fair, he never got a fair trial!!!. CNN posts news articles telling us how the family of the CIA spy is not really a spy. The family says he's a nice guy and not a spy. Yeah right. Iran got one of the US spies and the US Govt cries wolf.. "waaaaa waaaaa" like a baby.

    Suck it up folks! If you agree to be a spy for the US Govt and go overseas to places like Iran, then get caught.. well tough crap. Your dead. At least, the Iranians had evidence against him which is FAR MORE than how the US is indefinitely detaining people in Guantanamo without any charges at all for 8+ years. Has anyone ever heard of the Geneva Convention?

    January 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      Iran is by no means better than the US. This is a huge false equivalency to be making.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply
    • Jason K

      If our gov't routinely dismisses the US Constitution to the praise of 50% or more of our population, why would they give a $#!t about the Geneva convention...

      January 9, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Reply
      • MJE

        So Iran has proof that he is a spy??? Hmmmm were you there? Did you see the trial, its all a bunch of BS

        January 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • John F.

      how you know that this guy is guilty for spying for CIA and not visiting his grandmother in Iran??? B/c you taking Iran word over the U.S. word, and if that is true, then you are saying those 3 hikers are spies too......yea right, maybe if you can't stand the U.S. YOU CAN ALWAYS MOVE TO IRAN if you dislike U.S. so much while supporting Iran, live their for awhile and see which country is really free

      January 9, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Reply
  68. Cindy

    Too dangerous to release but why too dangerous to try in court? What is the U.S. now – precrime cops? This is SO unAmerican!

    January 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
    • Joe Fed

      Lmao, precrime cops. I agree completely.

      January 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Reply
  69. James

    How is it determined they're too dangerous to release if their cases are "not feasible for prosecution". Not feasible means they have no proof against them. So how do they know they're dangerous and guilty? The US likes to talk a lot about rights and how great they're legal system is but they dont always apply it. When Iran captures Americans that shouldnt be in a certain area we argue that they're not being fairly judged. But according to how we treat these people in Guantanamo then Iran is perfectly fine in executing or imprisoning people they suspect are spies even if "its not feasible for prosecution". Americans' self inflated sense of rights and morals aren't gonna fool anyone anymore.

    January 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      Well, no. They could have mountains of evidence that couldn't be presented in court for any number of reasons. However, I agree that it is beyond time to bring these men to trial, whether civilian or military, and be done with them. If some go free because our evidence isn't admissible, we should learn from that mistake and do a better job next time. Habeas corpus or bust.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
      • Scott

        They have already had military court trials where classified evidence was viewed behind closed doors. If they can't do that in these cases then they dont have anything.

        January 10, 2012 at 9:12 am |
  70. crusader12

    This is it America, cry and whine all you want about Iran sentencing one of our spies to death...this is the kind of evil stuff we do. Stop condemning Iran while your government detains, tortures and then lets these arabs rot. You are now better, if we are going to look at foreign governments and condemn them then we had better take a long hard look at what we are doing.

    January 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
    • KeithTexas

      America is as bad as it gets, other countries have no reason to act any differently.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
    • Flyboy7588

      Hey Crusader12, sit on it you bleeding heart dolt.

      January 9, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • jas419

        So you go around insulting everyone who disagrees with you? Its all over the SoundOff. Why should anyone, reciprocally, take you seriously?

        January 9, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  71. Jimmy Cracorn

    Everyone talks about Guantanamo but what about the other bases/prisons with detainees all across the globe. I understand these could be dangerous people but I don't think we should behave like dictators toward these men. We are Americans, we don't treat people like this. They should be given a fair trial or released at the end of the wars like any other POW

    January 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
  72. Fred Phred

    Riiiight.. you went to Afghanistan to teach the Koran. Because there is this big VOID of people there that don't have their head stuck in the book 5 times a day. Nobody there to teach.. Bunch of infidels I'm sure.

    These guys should remain where they are just because they don't tell the truth.

    They are a threat to society.

    January 9, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Reply
    • Brent

      People are illiterate in Afghanistan you id iot. Plus it's not something you just read. People study it, just like bible scholars.

      January 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
    • Russell Taylor

      I think you have these people mixed up with our own congress, They cannot tell the truth , and ARE a threat to OUR society.

      January 9, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
  73. Tom, Long Beach, California

    should be executed then.....

    January 9, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Reply
    • Snoot

      Right after you, fuhrer.

      January 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      If a court finds them guilty of a capitol offense, sure.

      January 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  74. cartec

    Judge Kennedy is using our laws and rights reserved for the people of the United States. I don't think that he has enough information about the people or their activities in the Middle East to determine what they are doing or how they think. I don't think we can rely on very little evidence or hearsay from alleged witnesses to determine if these people are or are not enemies of our country. But, I think we should rely on the side of caution when making decisions to release them back home.

    January 9, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
    • tinfoildude

      Yeah, release them and send them back home, so they can live happily ever after. Or, come back to kill as many Americans as they can since they took most of their adult's life away by locking them in a dirty cage. And my guess would be the second one.

      January 9, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
    • John F.

      we have proof as told in the article that they trained in bin laden training camp use for training to attack americans, what more do you need?

      January 10, 2012 at 12:04 am | Reply
  75. Kishmereentuchus

    "Allal Ab Aljallil abd al Rahman, said he went to Afghanistan for medical treatment" – Yes, Afghanistan is well know as a center of medical excellence... He was also planning his next trip to the Caribbean to go skiing...

    January 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm | Reply
    • James

      Ever heard of cost 'nuts for brains'? They're poor and go for what they can get.

      January 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Reply
      • John F.

        most if not all of them are guillty and should never be released, if you were a terrorist and got caught in afgh, you'll be telling such lie of sort, just like almost all murderers in the U.S. do

        January 10, 2012 at 12:00 am |
      • Ryan

        @ John F. And if they really were there as teachers or for any other innocent purpose then thats what they would say. Thats why we have the legal rules that we have. Thats why we have reasonable doubt. Thats why we have requirements for evidence. Thats why we have not guilty until PROVEN guilty. To weed out those that are innocent from those that are guilty. If we are gonna abondon that process, then we better shut up about how freedom loving and righteous we are.

        January 10, 2012 at 9:17 am |
  76. MIT

    Drop them off in Iran, where they will be declared "spies" and executed. No blood on our hands.

    January 9, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • John F.

      so that Iran could fund them to attack americans on its own soil, sooo stupid

      January 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Reply

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