Karzai: Leave us out of your Iran mess
By Adam Levine
When it comes to the fight between the United States and Iran over the downed U.S. drone, keep Afghanistan out of it.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Wednesday that his country, which shares a border and, as he put it, "deep cultural, linguistic and religious links" with Iran, does not want to be put in the middle of the dispute. The unmanned stealth aircraft that crashed in Iran recently flew from a base in Afghanistan. The drone was on a CIA mission when operators lost control of it.
Karzai, speaking along with U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta at a news conference after the two met in Kabul, claimed ignorance about the mission.
"Afghanistan was not aware that the drone had gone or malfunctioned in Iran," Karzai said, responding to a question from a reporter.
He said the Iranians sent a note about the incident to the Afghan Ministry of Foreign Affairs and is following up with the U.S. government. But, Karzai said politely, keep us out of it.
"So Afghanistan would not want to be involved in any - how should I put it, not antagonism, adversarial relations between Iran and the United States. Afghanistan wishes that they be friends and Afghanistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity and soil is not used one against the other," Karzai said.
Panetta, while refusing to discuss the drone mission, suggested that missions into Iran were necessary and will continue.
"Part and parcel of the effort to not only protect Afghanistan but protect the United States is to obtain important intelligence that allows us to protect our people and protect ours," Panetta said.
On Tuesday, in an interview with Fox News, Panetta said Karzai had not complained that the revelation of the spy mission put Afghanistan in an awkward position
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They stated it succinctly, and deftly. Politics doesn't belong in the modern world. The ones in charge know what's at stake, and aren't looking to hurt civilians. The War is over as far as I'm concerned.
All i keep hearing is "terrorism this, terrorist that.. that's why we attacked Afghanistan...."
What's the difference between some crazy idiot blowing himself up killing US soldiers and citizens and US drones attacking Afghan civilians and militants? Are Afghans terrorists 'coz they don't have the high-tech weapons the US have? US killed over million of people in Afghanistan, is that not terrorism? Isn't using drones to try to kill a head of state (Libya) terrorist act? And then the footage of him being killed by "the opposition" isn't that terrorism? Is that what US is trying to do? No trial, is that justice? Just because US calls someone terrorist doesn't mean he's guilty of anything. It's just how US government controls american people, who as soon as they here the phrases american freedom, terrorists...jump in and nod to anything their government feeds them. Afghans and Iraqis look at US as the terrorist country (who attacked who, who's protecting their country and who's invading? makes u think doesn't it)
Also i keep hearing how "crazy Iran is, terrorist country, how dare they want nukes?" What is the ONLY country in the history to use Atomic bomb on a real target(s) killing 166 000+80 000 INNOCENT MEN CHILDREN AND WOMEN in a second and causing horrible deseases to INNOCENT people to this day? How can this country try to tell anyone at all what to do? Very weird world we are living in, makes me sick
Just for the record, US killed 1000 times more innocent women children and men than Bin Laden and Hussain combined just in Afganistan, not to mention Iraq (1st and 2nd time) Cuba, Korea, Vietnam Cambodia, Laos, Libya, Kosovo and countless of undercover operations by CIA and the US government that the public will never know about... so keep your nonsense "we are the world saviors" for someone who has no idea- preferably an american that watches US news
That's a pretty hefty claim by you when you have no numbers to support your argument. Furthermore, you don't have an objective view since you didn't even try to account for how many deaths our opposition have caused. Did you really forget about Iraq's war with Iran and that death toll? How about Saddam's slaughtering of the Kurds. I'm not saying death on either side its good but it's easy for you to condemn America with a wave of your hand when you don't take into account everything else.
No, it's easy for americans to forget that war isn't a video game. Just 'coz it's not happening on your soil doesn't mean innocent people aren't dying. Americans don't know what war is, that's the whole problem. If the WW2 was on american soil like in Europe, Yanks would have a very different approach. Oh and the numbers in my claim are supported, but guess what, not by US government, surprise surprise...
America was involved in instigating the Iraq-Iran war. America was also involved with Israel to sell weapons to both sides. The Iran-Contra affair has some connection to this as well. We are not innocent bystanders.
don't forget our invasion of Panama. We removed General Noriega because he refused to continue being our patsy. In the process we murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians.
Fiorangela foreign plcoiy is a bit of an unknown here in the UK just now. Hague (the new Foreign Minister) is well right of centre, and the new Defence Minister, Liam Fox, is diabolically hawkish on Iran. However, the junior coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats, were the only party to set out their opposition to the siege of Gaza in their manifesto, and were the only party to vote against the war in Iraq. Their plcoiy line on Iran has always been for a diplomatic solution, although in West-speak we all know that means sanctions.Quite how the coalition deal will combine these various viewpoints remains to be seen. My feeling is that Cameron is keen on using the Liberal Democrat guys to counter the more right-wing opposition within his ranks; whether that extends to Iran I'm not sure. Historically, elements of the British aristocracy (the basis of the Conservative party) have been supportive of Palestinians, so it's not as obvious as one may think, although I imagine relations with US trumps all others.
We are only using that country as a launching point for our military maneuvers anyway. Just turn off the lights when you leave. Regardless of how you feel about the job the US did, the fact is we put that ungrateful dbag in power. Let him fend for himself and see how long he lasts. I say pull out of all those mid east countries and let them fight amongst themselves.
Leon, just tell Hamid, we'll soon be out of his country also at the earliest convenience and they can return to whatever form of Government they want or decide. Hope we are not there too much longer. The sooner we can leave the better for them and us, and they can restore their own sovereignty.
The thing you have to realize is that this is a UNITED NATIONS effort in Afghanistan not the US independently. The world condemned Afghanistan for what they allowed to happen on their soil. Things like imprisoning women that have been raped.
What about US being the leader of incest rape cases in the whole world? its about time you guys should start looking in your own backyard, what about all those poor female soldiers being raped by their own colleagues while stationed in the war zone. Open your eyes you ignorants
You cannot have it both ways; protection and isolationism. What an ungrateful wretch.
Who is protecting whom ??? Its Taliban protecting US both in Afghanistan & Iraq, US has been breastfeeding taliban for ages get some education you ignorant.
Protection from whom? Protection from the Western nations who want resources or from groups like the Taliban?
Karzi, I hate to tell you but your up to your arm pits in it.
Ah. Nothing like going fishing. The puppet show is good too.
Iran has been fighting a proxy war against the United States ever since their revolution. They get more and more bold with every step that they take that we fail to answer. Obama is going to do nothing and leave his predecessor a war that will make Iraq look like a Sunday social.
Who really cares? We are all broke because of this mess the Republican's got us into. Everyone knoew this guy swas corrupt. Why so surprised?
The problem is that both parties are corrupt. The Republicats do not have the people's benefit in mind.
We have lost young soldiers while trying to protect the Afghans and now, Karzai makes such a statement. It is high time that USA leaves these spineless hyenas to protect themselves. Tomorrow, if Karzai's daughter is abducted and raped by the Taliban, he will coming running and crying for the US to help him. Let us withdraw from all confrontations till these people make up their minds whether US help is necessary for them or not. Let Taliban take over Afghanistan and put Karzai on the run and see how much he can run! After all our help, this is what he is saying?
Finders keepers, losers weepers !
Irrespective of whether those drones flew out of Afghan territory, they are entirely under US control and use and Afghanistan effectively has no say as long as US and NATO forces are operating there. So, by default, Mr Karzai is exercising his God-given right to say "No !"
Who the heck are you ? Go back to India lozer......
Bennie, sweetie, why don't you go back to the country from which you started your journey to USA? I am certain there are quite few Columbus's out there who know where to make the wrong turn in the ocean. You are a bastard as long as you don't know where you came from.
You indians living in US are all same taking our jobs.
How do you know Indians are taking all the jobs, instead of watching TV go and work hard.
He's bobbling his head, that's why we know where he's from.
I don't think anyone can take your job away if you work hard and know what you are doing. By the way, why don't you go back to your country of origin if you are so sore about people taking your job away? I am a hard working person and am an American, not an immigrant who does not know where his home country is, you skunk!
Do Talibans really rape. They don't. They might be brutal and insane in their attitude towards their women, but their respect for others' women is beyond doubt. However, if they catch you Premal D. Shah, they will certainly tear your anus apart. lolz.
Premal Shah ain't feeling too good right now, he drank some of that Indian moonshine.
Dear Mr karizi, this is your country, you are elected by the afgan,s people to protect Afganestan, whatever happens it is your responsibility. this drone has been flown from inside your country for spying activity against IRan, your neighbout, in legal term you are involved in this activity, you can not denay it. if your remember just 2 months ago in your neighbour country PAKISTAN ,there was a base for using drones, but their goverment ask US to leave SHAMSI BASE in less than one month, and you are saying the world that we do not want to be involved, you are already involved in this matter, how your answer to Iranians would be.How they judge you how tyour countries,s fellow see you
also funny how CNN puts it as, "the aircraft crashed" lol iran released footages of the craft and it looked like it just came out of factory, if it crashed from 50,000ft it would have been turned into rubble
And it would have been in even worse shape if Iran had effectively shot it down (again from an altitude of 50,000').
Yep, my curiosity is how they Mighty Iranians brought dat ting down. I bet they have come up with Dronecide which brings the drone to a landing without visible damage. Hail Iran.
Typical biased media....bunch of cry babies these CNN people are
The real enemies of the US are the Israelis and their supporters, not Iran.
You are correct sir! The Israel people are only stirring up the pot over there, soon I / we will be making another war on terror over there to protect them. As GW put it, we are fighting for our freedom.
i take it you are a pakistani muslim writing from the desk of the motel you are minding on 1 75. Your language and syntax are pretty revealing.
Correction! The real enemies of humanity is the U.S. Be proud when all your soldiers will be brought home from unnecessary wars and interferance with other states' stabilty status.
We are trying, Markos. But the power does not rest with the people, it seems.
No I don't think Israel is the major problem but the problem lies in muslim leadership.
Muslims are the most dangerous animals in this world.They still live in the stone age and practice a barbaric religion which was founded by the pedophile child molesting leader who married a 5 year old girl and many other women to be his wives. All other religious leaders reached the people with love and affection, but this barbarian mohamed forced people with violence and war to convert them into Islam. thats why still Islamic countries are more violent and keep women as their slaves. If they dont like America and West why do they come to our countries. Let them go to Saudi Arabia, pakistan and Afkanistan to live. if you are in the West follow the culture of the land. You muslims breed like rates.
Israel is the biggest threat to world peace. They have built the world's biggest open air ghetto in Gaza and still claim to be the victim.
"proud american" aka mohammad endlessly chanting the muslim/palestinian mantra in a failed attempt to shift the misery brought on the palestinians by themselves. to wit: " oh, woe is me, this article on afghanistan and the US should be about us poor palestinians who are innocent victims of all the problems in the middle east , oh woe is me, the problems of the Paletinians/muslims have nothing to do with us, we are the victims of the US, the West, the UK, the Israelis, the Zionists, the Jews, the Hindus etc. ad nauseum. we havent done anything wrong ever. we didnt kill athletes , send rockets, teach our children to hate. oh, woe is me".
Oh no I am a real American. I voted for G Bush the first time because he promised to bring about a Palestinian State. Now I think that he should go to jail, right along Powell, Rice, Perl, Gonzales, Cheney and the rest of the war criminal gang.
Dear Mr. Karzai:
Please leave us out of your Afghan mess.
Thank you.
Rather absurd of you to say to the Afghans, "Leave us out of your mess." Your forces went to Afghanistan and not the other way round. It's you people who have a problem with almost everybody except the white Europeans who inherently started "racism."
Your drones took off from Afghanistan and Iranian drones do not fly over the USA or do they? Get smart buddy, it's a whole new wide world out there. Have a nice day. Salams
I agree. We in America complain about the Iraquis and Afghans but it is our armies that have invaded them, not the other way around.
What. The Arabs have been the biggest racist, sexist ignorant fucks for as long as there has been history. My god your still mutilating women, killing anyone not a Muslim and treating women as second class people. Shut up until you study the history. yea America need to pull out and take all its foriegn aid and let you sink back into murdering each other over which prophet you follow.
That whole area needs to be controlled! And will be until they established a civilized society! Civilized!!
the Afgghans never invited US to come attack their country and use tactical nuclear weapons, so please leave as your not wanted thank you
Children are potty trained.
Muslim are trained.
Democrats are trained.
Republicans are trained.
You have all been trained.
Divide and conquor works very well.
Keep the massess stupid.
Is this some sort of Haiku? If it is, it sucks. If it isn't, your just an idiot.
well said
Really? REALLY? Do you perhaps have something USEFULL to say?
Hamid Karzai: USELESS, UNGRATEFUL P.O.S.
Ungrateful? So you expect something from him? I thought you simply wanted them to be free? Freedom would mean they don't *have to* choose sides, wouldn't it?
Do you have any idea how many CIA and US Spec ops died traying to bring karzi into power to overthrow the taliban that he did not want in his country either? Now he says in a previous article that he would go to war against the US if we went to war with pakistan. He is ungrateful. Bottom line is we need to leave Afghanistan for good but that will not happen since it is an easy route into iran.
China could fabricated one for Iran before they displayed this airplane, Chinese has a prototype sity that can make anything over night. This could be one of their product too. Cheer
They could just look on the underside to see if it says "made in China".
Seriously?
Is this a sarcasm? I've been accused before of not 'getting' sarcasms before.
You misspelled your name it is Dumbestguy not DumpestGuy. Goes to show, you named yourself correctly, can't even spell your name correctly.
ok how about if USA leaves out the aid for karzai..???is he ok with that..????? this nation and the epic center of terrorism next door..that would be pakstan...should be isolated and wall built around them and no one should be allowed to get out...then there can be world peace..
"Afghanistan was not aware that the drone had gone or malfunctioned in Iran," Karzai said
What a liar.... oh i forgot....all muslims are liars.
I don't think that we would take it lightly if Iran were to fly drones over the US, would we? I mean, really, is that legal? Isn't that the same kind of provocative behavior that Bush used before he, we, attacked Iraq? I'm sure our army likes the idea of getting intelligence that way, but.. we also use drones to drop bombs, so what kind of response can we expect from Iran? It might be a better move to just stop. We have satellites. Use them.
Yeah. There was a HUGE push into the drone arena after the first successes. Not only new drones, new control centers, but entirely new weapon systems have been developed for them in record time. Some people think of them as the perfect platform for everything simply because they are unmanned and the political costs of a mission failure are smaller. If a plane with a human pilot goes down, people will know about it. If a drone goes down, you can cover that up easier. It is time to re-asess exactly what the risks are.
If a drone crashes and destroys anything on the ground, it is an act of war.
Quit trying to think, it will give you a headache.
Its all a smoke screen that we are doing good for all the middle east counties. Sure democarcy for people which is great. In exhange for oil and putting a military base. It's mainly for stratigic points, just look at the map and how the us is all over the middle east. Syria and iran well soon be surrouned.
They have been for years. here is the map: wemeantwell.com/blog/2011/12/10/whos-paranoid-maybe-iran/
The only reason Karzai has a government office instead of a jihadist's bomb strapped around his waist is because the US came into his country and removed a terrorist organization from its keep. Afghanistan was a magnet for terrorists and Islamic extremist trash before we came in, and it will be again after we leave. Nobody's going to come back a second time and save you from hanging when they return, Karzai. Not us, or your beloved Iran.
Who sent the Jihadis from Saudi to Afghanistan in the first place?
Bill Clinton
2 naked midgets are planning to jump out of that drone and yell happy birthday comrades!
Matt112 going to hell.........
I bet you don't believe in hell
You are so sweet , keep writing all your life... God will read your mind, becareful....
The real hell is were ignorants live. I don't want to be in the same place as you afterlife.
Kam , I understand, that my heart breaker for them too much, they think US was done a mess, but that not true... American people still go after fight to against terrorest done in 9/11... US never stop the war for lifetime. It not own plms, other country still brainwash for hate so much... Muslim need to be change to healing .... Obama said, " Muslim, do not to be destroy!" Last time he won for electionday... I say, "Wow....
Ian, I thought "god" is the only one that should judge. Either way, we are all going to die and we aren't going to leave this planet.
I do love God very much, I feel so sad , they do not have there heart of other person do talking about hate , it you , or other person and other country writing about Iran??? I do know , Iran was very bad things of they do too much to be smart enough, they kidnap all other america people long time of 444 days, and now again Iran keep doing again to kidnap of young people have nothing to do as spy over there land... Come on , God gave all the world to have any land on Earth, right... Iran call us , volation in airspace , volation in there land and we volation sealine... Come on, We are brother and sister together... Okay... Just said , " I so sorry to touch of your land , really"??? Iran so crazy think... Lol... I really don't care of they believer itseft ......
10 years has changed Karzais forlorn look on his face to a smirk . Thats gratitude for you..
Obama is a joke, I bet karzai will be at the end of the talibans rope before long..........
Does anybody thinkis kind of fishy?that after the drone was lose obama has to back up in his treat to veto the defence butget why ?because the republicans are gonna star using the excuse ' we lose the drone because obama is not funding our military' and when are we gonna go after israel's nuke's we give this racist state so much money and military aid just like saudi arabia another racist and intolerant state but we cant give mexico apaches helicopters so they can get ride of the drugs cartels what a hipocrite fucking country we are turnin in to
Giving money to Mexico does not create money for military industry. There is a simple rule for foreign aids in US.
Use a spell checker so others can understand what you are trying to relay.
It is people like you who has caused all the corruption.
Don't worry Mr. Karzai. We will leave your country soon with all of the mess we created there. But remember that it is not done by Americans, but by were a few Osama's friends who betrayed him.
Don't come to U.S, with your hand out looking for some more dollars to squander. Hopefully Iran becomes 1 huge hole in the ground real soon.
You take care of your small holes. Don't try to show that you are retarded, everybody knows that.
In my overly active imagination I ask: What if the US drone was deliberately "crashed" in Iran as a covert mission? Oooh. wouldn't it be so wonderfully deceptive to have a satellite spy system with voice and visual "bugs" implanted on the drone? Of course that's all stuff that's too good to be true, but what if?
Try to stop watching SYFy for a month. All trash will start coming out of your brain
I think m is right, i really believe that drone was crashed for a reason. Now having bugs and all types of stuff m said , i dont think so. For what reason, i dont wanna know cause it sure aint for good thats for sure. Iran's clock is running out
Can somebody tell me when the clock is gonna stop. I have been hearing this for 25+ years.
leave us out of that but don't forget to mail the aid check to my home address(karzai).
Hey Yankees how about you stop putting world's peace in danger and fix your own problems for a change!? Let's start, hmm, i don't know, with feeding your starving people with the trillions u spend on your useless army every year, but i guess that's too smart of a thing to do
there will never be world peace
Hey Bo, which country are you from, one whose kiester saved, or one we kicked?
You have a love for terrorists? Go find one and dance the Tango! I hope when you and your ineffectual socialist country find yourself in trouble, and you will, that your Osama worshiping foes give you the "special" treatment.
Don't say that you don't know who created Taliban and supported Osama.
That true, all other country going to be hell.... I wish, God will give them a second chance, but they did'nt go there for heart...
wow buddy u have absolutely no idea what u r talking about. I'm from Europe, just like you
The US has made some questionable choices; if more than 3k didnt die in 9/11, maybe we wouldnt be in afghan-and when the world has problems, who have the world turned to for the past almost 100 years? France, no, the US. If it wasn't for the US and their allies, France wouldve been wiped out 2x, West Germans (during the cold war), wouldve died from Soviet Aggression, and on and on. So, you non-yankees are quick to take our $$, but fast in condemning us. So, be thankful that the US has the morals to help out with the lives of our patriots, with the money we give you. We may not be perfect, but we arent pansies
No afghanis were involved in 9/11. They were all from Saudi and Egypt. Why we did not attack Saudi Arabia instead?
y got that right! when a country is threatened by neighbors ( France, Bel;guim, Germany, etc oin WW1 and WW1; Kuwait), or has horrific natural disasters, who do they call first? They have USA on speed dial! Do they eVER send aid to USA for hurricane or flood or Gulf oil spills? I don't recall any incoming aid from any of the ME, damn few from our allies.
We need t stop being Unka SugarDaddy, or world-wide Rescue Me'ers. We are in debt up to our eyebrows, so cut back on foreign aid especially to nationas that take the moey then turn around and slap us.
our useless army keeps millions of innocent people out of harms way or from being mistreated every week of every year by brainwashed retards trying to impose there will on the weak. it protects woman and children in places like darfur from rape and child labor and our Army feeds and helps reconstruct countries that dont have the funds to do so themselves !!! We let our own people starve so the rest of the world can try to catch up to us !!! sounds really useless now dont it ?????????
U r so naive. And actually, u r the brainwashed one, 'coz u believe what your idiotic government tells u about your stupid army. I'm no math genius but cca 3000 ppl died in NYC, about a million in Afganistan as of Today... is there something wrong with those numbers or is it just as NON-AMERICANS that see that 'coz our media is not feeding us like little kids like your does. So dumb
And just for the record, US killed 1000 times more innocent women children and men than Bin Laden and Hussain combined just in Afganistan, not to mention Iraq (1st and 2nd time) Cuba, Korea, Vietnam Cambodia, Laos, Libya... so keep your nonsense "we are the world saviors" for someone who has no idea- preferably an american that watches US news
FU karzai, if not for the USA you would have been dead long ago.........and you sure wouldnt be in office,. Never would you have ben in office........Not like we need your sorry help anyway
It's not Afghanistan that needed the help, it was YOUR government trying to assert democracy. Are you that feeble that you can't comprehend what's going on?
Probably more than you are scumball. Man with out a country
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karzai can just suck it!
So, first the US government states that the drone was lost on a mission over western Afghanistan. NOW, the US government states that they conducted fly missions over Iran and will continue to do so to protect Afghanistan. We were told the goal of a US presence in Afghanistan was to root out the Taliban. Now it's to PROTECT Afghanistan? From...Iran? WHAT EXACTLY *IS* THIS OVERSEAS MISSION THAT HAS KILLED SO MANY COALITION TROOPS???? US GOVERNMENT – STOP LYING TO THE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WISE UP AND STOP BELIEVING WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU. They are obvious deceitful liars that cannot be trusted. Duh!
"Well if I were you, I'd sue North Korea for every penny they've got!"–Hawkeye
You are profoundly infantile and feral minded to expect or assume that there is any government on this planet that does not employ disinformation in the pursuit of war and money. Why? Because tis planet is populated by human beings. Grow the F up.
feral? is that the word of the day?
americans are bandits
Your dam right, and we are just scrathing the surface on what we know. The other shit i dont wanna know, proberly be insane and scary ass shit.
"Panetta, while refusing to discuss the drone mission, suggested that missions into Iran were necessary and will continue.".........................The U.S. had a "mission" in Iran in 1953. The mission destroyed an elected government and installed a dictatorship. You wonder why the Iranians don't trust us?
Remember Cuban missile crisis? How would US reach if a Chinese and God forbid Iranian drone was flying in our borders?
it would be shot down
Learn your history; If Iran didnt fund terrorists who kill americans and thousands of others, maybe america wouldnt take any action to protect our country. or, maybe give peace a chance – lol – and do nothing and let the terrorists kill 3k more people
Probably because they want to blow up Israel with nuclear weapons and we won't let them get away with it.
Why would I care what happens to Israel!
hahah wake up kid and have a taste of reality, u r too naive
There is only one country who has used and threatened another country with nuke. Don't look at me!
We will leave Afghanistan eventually. It is hard, if not entirely impossible, to maintain a military presence in a land-locked country whose neighbors are not and will not be our best friends for many years to come. Iran and Pakistan will be Afghanistan's neighbors forever. Karzai can afford to offend the US and would wreak havoc for his country if he fails to build a friedly relationship with his neighbors. The problem is that many of us in the US either don't understand or refuse to understand it.
exactly...our foriegn policy advisers are foreign to common sense and the reality of the region. Lets get the hell out and quit, as Ron Paul said, taking the money from the poor of this country and giving it to the rich in Afghanistan and other middle east corrupt governments.
Karzai's a smart mouth. Pandering his disapproval of the US to whatever country will listen to him. That will change when the US is out of Afghanistan. Then he will start answering to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. They don't like Afghan Government allies of the US and NATO. Of course with all the corruption, bribery and thefts of US hard currecny, it might be possible for him to buy his freedom, life, or at least finance his families' escape when they come hunting for his head.
And yet for the differing events you have been told on this issue you still defend the lies of your government like a blind moron. Unfathomable.
Why do you think he is pandering to the Pakistanis, as in "we will stand with Pakistan if there is a war between the USA and Pakistan" (not the exact quote, but you get it). The Pakistanis put the Taliban in power, they did not support the Northern Alliance, who were moderates. So if Karzai does stand with the Pakis, it is self preservation b/c he knows he will be taken out and replaced when we do pull out, whether we leave tomorrow or 10 years from now. The ISI and Pakistan are behind many of the attacks against NATO and US troops.
This whole farce against Iran is a joke, b/c Iran's biggest enemy in the region after Iraq is Pakistan, who is nuclear! And they are both Muslim countries! The irony. In fact, before 9/11, the Taliban and Pakis were in a border war against Iran. Stop listening to the lies of the media and our government. We all know this is only happening b/c the military industrial complex and corporations like Halliburton would love to open a new theater of war.
Let's make a parking lot of the whole middle east, they are fanatical barbarians.
When did they let Al Queda leave remarks like that on CNN? Can someone with at least two brain cells formulate a better sentence then El Gato?
And US intervention in the affairs of other countries throughout history is ok...because it's covert? You need to brush up on your history before making blanket statements about how other countries run their affairs.
It sounds like you are the "fanatical barbarian" to suggest such tactics. How about we just stay out of the Middle East and let them take care of each other? We are there for oil, yes, so let's just buy oil from them and let them kill each other over their black gold.
It's ironic that we were hired mercenaries in the Gulf War to save the Saudis, but 16 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.....
I find it even more amusing that we are so short on oil, a la drill baby drill, that we still manage to sell our own supplies and ship it oversees.
Wow, i wonder why many people of the world think US population are ignorant, oh yea people like you. It would much cheaper and safer to mind our own business.
How about we also keep out troops, our support, our aid and everything else out of it from now on. So sick of these types. Like you tell a spoiled child...if you want to do whatever it is you want, do it 100% on your own and don't ask me for anything.
How about not only not give them money, not have our military there, but make clear to ALL these people that we will retaliate against them, if an aggressor against the United States originates in their country, just as if the government had sponsored them. How much worse could the world be without Afghanistan? Or Iran?
Or the US? Or you?
We shouldn't have gone to Afghanistan or Iraq in the first place. How many 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi or Afghani? Almost all were Saudi. We invaded the wrong countries like the idiots we are.
Look at the picture at the top of the blog.
|One of those guys swallowed the canary, and he ain't talking.
ogee letz git sum moor meely mouth morons on hear tu voise there ignerence witch nobodie cann reed r UNDASTAN!!!
I LUV YEW JEENAAY
Another fair-weather friend! He forgets why we are there. Maybe, he should go it himself.
Karzi is an idiot – he's only in it for the money – like all US 'supported' despots! The only reason the United States is in their country is because they 'share' a border with Iran! Get all foreign troops out and see how long this boy lasts before they take him out, LOL
Karzai: "Oh yeah...and thanks for helping us out by spending billions to help rebuild our country, removing the Taliban from power and bringing me to power. NOW GET OUT!!"
If Russia or China invaded the US and installed a puppet government, you would be OK with that? What if they bombed your relatives or your kid? The US is occupying Afghanistan. Everyone except the puppet government we set up wants us out but we are too stupid to listen. Never should have gone there in the first place.
USA get out of his troops alive from Iran and iam sure he is gonna interfare in IRAN ginna send these troops to iran, so there family cant see them again. And start war again with another country. SHAME on You. You cant be the ruller of the world. THIS WAR IS JUST A DRAMA. HIROSHIMA, IRAN, LIBYA, PALESTINE, PAKISTAN, KASHMIR, ALL THESE COUNTRIES ARE HEAVILY AFFECTED BY USA, SHAME ON YOU. CAN YOU BRING BACK THOSE PEOPLE, NO YOU CANT. GET THE HELL OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES. AND THINK ONLY ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE.
Yeah, we should just leave these barbaric genocidal religious brick heads alone.
And you are obviously a genius & humanitarian.
unfortunately, those brickheads have nuclear capabilities, or in Iran's case, almost have it. The potential of one of those nations popping off a nuke is a ticking time bomb...which could descimate (sp?) large portions of Europe, or their ME neighbors, or maybe even the USA. I would like nothing betteer than to put a dome over the entire ME and let them duke it out, but that leaves Israel cmpletely at the nonexistent mercy of it's mercies.
Shame on YOU for supporting global muslim terrorism!
Shame on you for supporting capitalist terrorism.
What, Muslims are the only ones that commit terrorism? I mean, holy smokes, the WAR ON TERROR, the biggest oxymoron after "Military Intelligence" I have ever heard of. The first thing to die in any war is truth, the second are civilians. What do you think gets shredded to the bone in our bombing raids, mannequins? No, children, farmers, taxi drivers, hell, we even kill out own soldiers in countless fratricide incidents. Then you have our returning vets who have record high incidents of suicide and PTSD. War is terror and we are waging it.
Those people don't want us in their countries just like I don't want anyone else in my country!
Furthermore, under our war, we Americans have readily given up out rights for a larger and overbearing government. The Patriot Act is not so "patriotic". Now we have this legislation that went through that can imprison any US citizen without charges for as long as our new military police state deems necessary. How has the 1st Amendment rights played out for the OWS protesters? You might not agree with them, but they are guaranteed the right to peacefully protest, the minute you close that right, you turn your back on the foundation of our country and our Constitution. Wake the ffff up! I live in CA and my 2nd Amendment rights have been curtailed year after year.
If I could understand what you wrote, I might be able to debate your response.
tell the 3k+ who died in 9/11 that it is a drama. Learn your history; US wanted to stay out of WWII until the japanese bombed pearl harbor. IF you kill americans, there will be a response. The british, french, spanish, japanese, and others have all learned this the hard way. Also, if it wasn't for us and our allies, then most of Europe would still be Nazi – etc.
Apparently, you are quick to forget the 3k+ who died in 9/11 that it is a drama. Learn your history; US wanted to stay out of WWII until the japanese bombed pearl harbor. IF you kill americans, there will be a response. The british, french, spanish, japanese, and others have all learned this the hard way. Also, if it wasn't for us and our allies, then most of Europe would still be Nazi – etc.
Let's even leave every nation alone and we will definitely have a more peaceful world. I don't know how we can get free / cheap oil though ???
How have we gotten one drop of free, cheap oil out of this? Administration claims at the time of the Iraq intervention claimed that Iraq could pay for our "assistance" out of oil revenues have proved completely baseless. Thousands of dead and maimed soldiers later and billions upon billions spent, we leave behind an unstable, ethnically and religiously divided country. Five or more years of continued "investment" of lives and treasure would yield no different result. The bad news is, Afghanistan, same story. We need to seriously rethink our "nation building" philosophy, which hasn't worked since the post-WWII era.
Look at the total US military budget, it is not free, or even cheap, just profitable to those in power, military contractors, oil companies, US congress etc.
Afganistan will me another Vietnam, When we leave, the Taliban will take over, as the communist did in Vietnam. Karzai has said he doest not want us there and that he would fight wirth Pakistan against the US. So why are we there? Exactly what does this ashtray of a country have to do with our national interest?
So may lives lost because of Bush and Obama and the next fool who will keeps us in that fudalistic country.
Now that we got bin Ladin, I say America for America. Let countries fight their own wars as we fought our revolutionary war.
France helped us in the Revolutionary War.
Fleeman,
It has always bothered me that people joke about the French giving up,
as if they are cowards.
The French Military defense was completely devastated after world war 1.
Most of thier young men died in that war.
The people of France didnt want another war.
20 years later they got one, and even with the pledge of British help,
the Nazi war machine was just too much for them.
Americans should just thank the French for our independence.
Every year, they honor our war dead.
I work for a military subcontractor, they gave us nice shirts with the company logo, made in Vietnam. Go figure?
Why doesn't Obama just give them the drone? Kinda the way he gave Mexican drug gangs in Mexico weapons to terrorize Mexican citizens.
^^^^^^^ Evil Conservative
Why doesn't Obama just give them the drone? Kinda the way he gave Mexican drug gangs in Mexico weapons to terrorize Mexican citizens.
A program started by the Bush Administration.
Nice try.
Heck, I bet you the reason it was hacked was because it took off from Afghanistan, I bet someone on the ground wasn’t working for the good guys before it took off.
We should just send in a missile and destroy it. When they ask, answer with "No comment". Honestly, what will Iran be able to do?
Problem solved.
Screw Karzai. Lets get the hell out of Afghanistan and let the ragheads have him. He's a lying POS. The world would be better off with him dead.
Look like USA has got lots of money and people to loose, that is y it interferes in every country. USA dont care about Palestine who ve been strugling to get their country back, Dont care about people of kashmir. you cant control the world iam afraid. You are just killer.
YOU'RE the killer because you support global muslim terrorism.
Palistine was NEVER a country. Palistinians are a mxed group of Muslims from nearly every ME and Norrth African Muslim nation who refused to abide by the 1948 mandate which was put into place to dvide that area between the "palistinians" and Israel. Palistine promptly broke that treaty i think in the mid-50s by attacking Israel. They have broken every treaty/agreement since, thye bomb and use people to self-destruct in Israel's civilian centers, then when Israel begins top retaliate, Palestine runs to the UN and cries. Since the UN committees overseeiong such matters id packed with ME-origoinated members so of course ISrael is the bad guy.
bottom line: Palestine (and it's fellow Muslims in the ME.) don't want to share the land they want to take all of Israel's portion.
they're like mutts
Why don't we get it.
Those people do not want us there. We aren't going to change antyhing there. We aren't going to "win" any war there. We ARE just pi s s ing more pepole off – i know i would be if some foreign soldiers showed up in my neighborhood. I would be shooting them too.
Bring our men and women home. If those people mess with us – then we show them what war really is. Not his stuff that just gets a lot of people on both sides killed and makes a ton of money for the warmongers who keep these things going for profit, Right DICK.
"if some foreign soldiers showed up in my neighborhood. I would be shooting them too. "
Yeah? They didn't seem to be shooting the foreign Taliban leaking over from Pakistan.
"If those people mess with us – then we show them what war really is. Not his stuff that just gets a lot of people on both sides killed"–boyamidumb
Your handle is quite appropriate.
Yeah, the drone “crashed” perfectly intact. I bet it even “crashed” on its landing gear conveniently on an Iranian airstrip after its control system was hacked by Iranian intelligence.
Actually, the situation is a very good plot for a Hollywood spy movie, Trojan Drone.
1. Poor Karzai. It looks like he didn't know the drone took off from his land and landed in Iran ("Afghanistan was not aware that the drone ...")
2. Poor us. If the drone was spying for Israel then Mel Gibson was right. ("").
Every time this guy opens his mouth I want to punch him in the face.
Why do we keep supporting this fool?
On an related note: Republicans: no we should keep this war longer
On a relevant note: democrats currently control the senate and presidency.
+++++ victim of democrat hypocrisy
On a relevant note: democrats currently control the senate and presidency.
And the Republicans, like little children dont like that, so they act like children
and stomp thier feet, and get all naughty.
Grow TFU.
Uh-huh. Cuz Algore was real mature about losing in 2000, right?
STFU if you don't have anything relevant to contribute.
It does not matter if it is a Democrat or Republican who runs the house or the judiciary. Both parties are corrupt and have outlived their usefulness to the people. Albeit there are some notable exceptions who do not bend over for AIPAC or Pharma or the other interest groups.
Doesn't want to get in the middle??? How about we do an about face and get out from the middle of his government and the Taliban? Miserable Ingrate...
How about we also leave you out of the massive financial aid payments you've been receiving from the US....? Karzai is a corrupt goat lover and will, and has, turned on the US in a heartbeat.
After WE saved his A.. from the Taliban and many of our soldiers have died defending his regime..."do not get us involved" Are you kidding me Karzai, you are in this "mess" already!!!
xxxx After WE saved his A.. from the Taliban and many of our soldiers have died defending his regime
We put this guy in as president so he would sign off on the gas and oil pipeline from Turkmenistan.
He is just doing as he is told.
People need to find another news source.
Most of the problem here, is what you DONT know.
The fact that the drone landed in one piece suggests that somehow the Iranians were able to take remote flight control from the Americans. If that's the case they likely disabled the self-distruct capability.
We should 1. Get out of any Arab countries 2. Mind our own business and quit trying to fix other countries 3. Let other countries fend for themselves in a crisis.
But then what would the Military Industrial Complex do? Maybe they can defend OUR borders and keep US safe. We wouldn't like foreign troops on the US soil, why should we expect other countries to welcome our troops. Bring them all home.
money is the reason
i fully agreed with you. US stop being the world grandmom. Mind your own business car abt ur people. Do you think the people of Iraq gonna forget the loss of over half million people and damaged to the country by US. USA just killedhalf of the million in IRAQ just because they fink they not safe. USA is worst than hitler. Killed many many since 9/11. shame on USA
Silly person. Silly comment. Silly translation software.
I am not sure I understand what you mean.
your shouldn't open your mouth, sh!t keeps running out of it
Shame on whoever taught you grammar. Take some spelling lessons jack off.
Except when those nations that are in a state of "crisis" are being used to harbor terror against our nation. Thus it is strongly within our national interests to be involved in the area.
People forget things very rapidly. If it was not for the americans who came in Europe and freed us from all our nonsense, us (europeans) would speak german by now.
At least you wouldn't be in a financial crisis.
Agreed. The USA is not the moral compass for the world.
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The new world order:
One government
One military
One religion
One bank
These are just small problems we have to fix first.
#4...Quit electing Republicans to the office of President of the United States.They are bloodthirsty for war as long as it is someone else's children who go fight it so that we can profit from their deaths.
Karzai is a corrupt fool who stuffed ballot boxes to steal the presidency. The election never was certified by any reputable election verification entity. His family peddles drugs to make and maintain his fortune. Who cares what this punk says? Oh, wait a minute, our sons and daughters are serving over there, fighting and dying, and we are expending US treasure at a rate of $10B a month to keep this maggot in power. C'mon Mr. President. If, after all of that, Karzai is going to try to sit on the sidelines in a dispute with Iran, isn't it time to bring our warriors home and spend that money here?
Far be it for a non-com to correct you ,but all you needed was your 5th sentence plus you last 15 words...
I think that I understand your point, Pete. Because I am a Marine and not used to subtlety, I had to re-read your post several times and count using all of my fingers and toes to achieve that understanding. By the way, you may rest assured that you are not the first non-commissioned officer to correct me.
Sir- It was always my job to show gentlemen the short-cuts...yeah your message was clear...semper gumby...stay flexible and keep a sense of humor...
Roger, out.
You're the fools for believing that your mission is just.
You expected something different ?
Karzai is an oil man, installed to the presidency
by the American government.
You think too small.
Think bigger.
I am glad that at least one military guy is getting it. These wars are a waste of everything, specially life.
Exceptional? We gave up claim to that title when we re-elected politicians (Democrat and Republican) who voted to invade a foreign country under the guise of a WMD threat and then outed their own CIA agent as retaliation for exposing the truth. It is utterly inconceivable that 9-11 happened (more or less) according to the 9-11 Commission. Utterly inconceivable!
You think an instrument that landed men on the moon 30 years before could not keep their Pentagon area cameras rolling on 9-11-2001? You think an instrument that had resources over 1 Billion/week – could not determine credible WMD threats 10 years ago. Budget is twice that now. Now the annual MIC budget is about 3/4 trillion – with billions more that are secret – but, of course, they did not have the resources to build a self-destruct mechanism into that drone. Go figure!
When voters think and act like sheep – that is how they will be treated by the sheep masters.
The country has been fully militarized and if you question anything that should be painfully obvious to a high shool freshman – you are accused of having a tin foil hat and being a nut.
How dare you. Go put your tin foil hat back on. Going around speaking the truth like that these days.. don't you know you're not supposed to do that! There's something you're not supposed to say in public you know...
that is so funny, except that there is a bill coming to the senate that would give the military much more powers to imprison people in the US without a trial. It that becomes law, God help us.
Well put, Michael.
More importantly, is the question of why are we sending drones over Iran in the first place, and further creating an atmosphere of antagonism and aggression against a sovreign country?
Why?? Really? Are you that naive that you think we can just ignore the world around us and everything will be ok? Wow....
Because they are a terrorist nation ruled, alternately, by religious fanatics bent on wiping us out and a delusional Hitler-clone ego-maniac who participated in the seizure of our embassy in 1979 and kidnapping of US citizens. Oh, and by the way, this "sovereign nation" is on the verge of developing mass yield weapons that can kill us all. There are some other reasons that come to mind, however, isn't this enough to warrant, at the very least, keeping an eye on them?
Amen!
CAPTUSMC you do realize that the US was guilty of causing a Coup De Etat in Iran which got rid of the prime minister Musodech, do you? We are not innocent. In fact, the Lancet published figures for dead Iraqui civilians that number much higher than our official count. We, Americans are guilty of war crimes and our leaders should go to jail. Semper Fi.
...because we can and we want to...?
Easy. Because we just cannot leave it alone. Manifest Destiny is still protocol in the U.S. We cannot help ourselves but think we have to be the policemen of the world. We think "they" (Iran) is a loose cannon, while we never wonder whether WE (U.S.) are the loose cannons.
We Americans are arrogant with the wrong priorities. We feel that "our" way is the "only" way. We are hypocrites: we tell other how to do while not doing ourselves. I would rather see us leaving the rest of the world alone, looking in the mirror and investing in our own people and country.
Such a shame that you can figure this out but the masses still follow blindly. On the topic of divine right....isn't it funny how WE have changed the enemy from communism? We didn't root out communism and we won't be successful in the Middle East. Anything more is simple naivety and hubris.
I don't think that we have to be the world's policeman.
Easy. Because we just cannot leave it alone. Manifest Destiny is still protocol in the U.S. We cannot help ourselves but think we have to be the policemen of the world. We think "they" (Iran) is a loose cannon, while we never wonder whether WE (U.S.) are the loose cannons.
We Americans are arrogant with the wrong priorities. We feel that "our" way is the "only" way. We are hypocrites: we tell other how to do while not doing ourselves. I would rather see us leaving the rest of the world alone, looking in the mirror and investing in our own people and country.
Sad that you even have to ask that question.
I watched a video about Illuminati/Freemasonry
and was shocked to find out that the average human being is only allowed
so much education.
Only enough so the cattle can go out in the world and work.
The education you get today is just enough to allow you
to make them richer.
You are "allowed" credit, entertainment, a house, a car, children,
but (credit) you still work for "them"
Sorry republicans, but its the same on both sides of the coin.
It just became perfectly clear under the Bush Administration.
These arrogant, rich control freaks just dont care about the rest of us.
They answer to a higher master.
The master is not "GOD"
Its those who are behind the new world order.
They are god.
The mayor of Kabul is a choad. Better check the bottom of your chair for bombs. Quit stealing our money.
I believe it is spelled "chode."
what the heck is a chode?
I am affraid your all wrong. Afghanistan has pleathera of natural resources and that is shy i call this a corporate war. The old regie did not agree to mining deals the western nations brought in therefore we neecded to invade the country and we did. Everything else is a farce.....
Kind of like the war for oil.
How much of that oil did we walk away with in Iraq?
The oil was never meant for America.
It was to control the oil going to China.
The key word here is....."control".
Without control of oil, civilization as we know it will come to a crashing end.
Going green is a great idea, but it will take decades.
People think of oil as gas for our cars.
Almost "everything" on this planet, in one way or another
is manufactured from oil.
The war for oil is on, full tilt.
I will admit that i am torn over this.
The complete destruction of society as we know it....or
maybe we have been living in a way that is not only bad for our planet,
but not good for human beings.
Time is almost up.
Correction: Afghanistan has dust, dust, and dust. They have nothing we want/need.
let's go home and let Karzai choke in his dust.
You failed science class.
Don't forget the pipeline that the Taliban had originally agreed to let us construct. What a coincidence that after the Taliban refused to allow this pipeline we invaded.
We should assume the risk of losing a military asset such as a drone when we are using them. I am assuming since we are wanting it back, that we built no such capability to destroy this weapon should it fall into the hands of an enemy. Assuming we did not, I am inclined to ask why we did not.
Should we assume that the enemy will gladly turn it back over? ridiculous.
Should have just left Afghanistan out of our American mess. Good luck with the Taliban.
Drone should of had a self destruct in the event of a epic fail. And we ask for it back? It is so time to get the hell out of that area and deal with our own problems.
I cannot agree with you more uff da, on both of those points! We are in Afghanistan to stabilize the region, but what thanks are we getting from Afghanistan...nothing! We are spending billions to help those people and we do not get any thanks. Time to get out and deal with our own issues. I am tired of my taxes going up because the government approves a multi-billion dollar deal to send troops to another region. We are not the world's saviors, as some seem to think we are. I do understand that the other country's actions will affect another, but that is why the nations have groups to meet and discuss these things. Stop the American bloodshed and bring our troops home. Half of the world views the US as a bunch of dictators, and rightly so.
Why didn't this drone have a self-destruct mechanism? It should never have fallen into the hands of the Iranians.
... and it should self-destruct (explode) while Arminejihad is sitting on it.
If it was not flying over Iran it would not have. SIMPLE!
C'mon Karzai, tell US to leave altogether, so our
politicians can stop making stupid reasons to stay.
Let’s not kid ourselves and think that we are there to liberate anybody. The only business we have in the Middle East is the oil business – no matter how much our government tells us otherwise.
If we want to liberate a country why not start with a nice small neighboring country like Cuba. We can’t even liberate that tiny little island. But we think we can take on the whole Middle East.
We’re only there for the oil!
What freakin' oil ? We have to SHIP it in...
Our "Iran mess" escalated when we decided to engage in the "Iraq mess". Before we decided to use 9/11 as our excuse for the invasion of Iraq to secure oil resources, Iraq's dictator, Sad-man Hussien, was keeping Iran's totalitarian government in check and keeping Iran from using it's resources to develop their nuclear program. The enemy of our enemy is our friend. We had control of Iraq, but we decided oil was more important.
@Jake I agree,
On another note though
People really shouldn't be upset by this, that country has been bombed, burned and blown to pieces for decades... Yes, allied forces have dumped MONSTROUS amounts of resources trying to convert it to a free and democratic society... But what do they have? They don't have a military force capable of any substantial advantage, yes their proximity to Iran is prime staging grounds for operations, but people have to remember... They don't have the resource to effectively protect themselves right now from suicide bombers and terrorists alike. Do you really think they would be able to sustain ANY kind of security if they started to meddle with the Iran/US Drama? Need not forget that there are a lot of people who arent really on friendly terms with our forces... Any weak link in the chain such as Afgahnistan would be the perfect place to stage an attack against coalition forces as well as relentlessly attack and destroy Afghanistan for "helping the infidels" and I highly doubt any amount of resources we send over sea's short of starting a whole new war will help keep public safety. I think it's in the best interest of the American people as well as the Afghans to try and lay low while they rebuild and stabilize their torn country.. People should show a little compassion.. so what we spent all that money.. its money.. think about how their lives have been for the past decade +. You can walk to the store without having to worry about getting blown up or beheaded. Not many Afghans can say the same.
Anyone gonna send him a bill fot the freedom of Iraq. Americans spent over $2 trillion giving them freedom. I guess he wants to follow the Iranian Ayatollahs.
Wrong country amigo... nothing to do with Iraq
FYI, Karzai is from Afghanistan and not Iraq.
Thought you might like to know...