Controversial detainee provision passes senate
November 29th, 2011
05:58 PM ET

Controversial detainee provision passes senate

By Ted Barrett

The Senate Tuesday easily defeated an amendment that would have removed from a defense policy bill new rules for the detention and due process of suspected terrorists.

The bipartisan 61-37 vote was a defeat for the Obama administration, which opposes the proposed changes and has suggested it would veto the bill unless they are removed.

The new rules would require suspected al Qaeda terrorists – even those captured in the U.S. - to be held in military, not civilian, custody.

Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colorado, said if the controversial provisions weren’t stripped from the bill they would “give the military the power to indefinitely detain accused enemy combatants – including Americans captured on U.S. soil.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, helped write the new rules with Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, - the top two senators on the Armed Services Committee. Graham said the new rules would protect America because they would give the military the power to go after and detain members of al Qaeda anywhere in the world, including the U.S.

“The question for the country: Is investigating and capturing an al Qaeda member or affiliate group a law enforcement function?” Graham said. “I would argue that our military should be involved in tracking al Qaeda members down here and abroad, and the idea that if they get here all of a sudden they’re a criminal organization, not a military threat, is absurd.”

Filed under: Afghanistan • Al Qaeda • Congress • Gitmo • Levin • Living With Terror • McCain • Terrorism
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  10. ItsTheMoney

    There has been a massive effort over the last 15 to 30 years to disconnect the Americans from their government by concentrating the media into a few hands. Now, since 2003, our private media corporations have the "freedom" to lie to the American public on their "news" broadcasts. These cowards preach anger, intolerance, fear and hate every day! "Look at what the government is going to do to you!" The government IS YOU!!!! If we continue to allow this evil to convince Americans their government is "out to get you", we'll continue to get the best government money can buy!
    Guess what happens if you vote for fear and hate?

    These bought and paid for politicians telling you to be afraid of and to hate YOUR government are obviously the ones we should be watching out for! Home of the brave? You gotta be kidding me! Friggin COWARDS!!! WAKE UP!!!

    Move To Amend!

    December 15, 2011 at 9:59 am | Reply
  11. ItsTheMoney

    One thing America has is a RIGHT to a SPEEDY and FAIR trial. Our founders could see what kings and dictators were doing to their people around the world. They thought the PEOPLE should have the final say, not a king, magistrate, dictator or any other self serving power mongers.

    Another thing about America is our elections. A natural "scrubbing mechanizm" for our elected law makers. But we cant even get 1/2 of the population to money is taking over.

    Move To Amend ...before its too late!

    December 15, 2011 at 9:41 am | Reply
  12. mbfp67

    This Act is a terrifying affront to civil liberties. The rule of law and the Constitution require at least some minimum level of due process, instead this Act operates to give the Executive Branch the power to detain anyone, possibly including citizens, without charge and without any burden to show why they are being held. The Bill of Rights Defense Committee is working with other civil liberties advocates to organize opposition to this dangerous and ill-conceived measure. Please visit their site at: for more information and to see how you can help.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:59 am | Reply
  13. comecleanOK

    This objective Canadian observer thinks that passage of this Bill marks the point at which the US military/industrial complex has become self perpetuating. I do this knowing I have made myself an enemy combatant, I guess. The paranoia in the US since 9/11 has destroyed it as far as I am concerned. Too bad Canada was bullied into the same paranoid scheme. Your next Presidential election result will tell a tale, yeseree.

    December 6, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Reply
    • kayjulia

      I agree with your assessment this election is crucial to the way this country will go for a long long time . I feel bad Canadians got themselves into this mess too. I am making alternate plans as I am mobile and can move to a less militarized country.I don't want the Gestapo coming after me after all these years.....

      December 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
      • NWO KILLER

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        December 7, 2011 at 2:28 am |
  14. John G.

    What concerns me about this provision is that it all hinges on how the government or military defines an enemy combatant. Are we privy to how they arrive at that determination? Do we have any say as to who is or isn't an enemy combatant?

    There are clear cut cases of who is or isn't an enemy combatant, but who is to stop them from expanding the definition? Will they consider anyone who wishes to protest or speak out against the president, congress, or the military as an enemy sympathizer, hence a potential enemy combatant? Who is to stop powerful political figures, large corporations, lobbyists, or simply people with differing political views to use these provisions to unjustly accuse someone or some group of being "potential combatants" simply to silence them? The unjustly accused will NEVER have a chance to defend themselves.

    Not to mention that there is no foreseeable end to the "war on terror" (at least in the near future) so there may not be a time in the near future when these provisions may be relaxed.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:02 am | Reply

      Please Visit WE ARE THE TERRORISTS! TSA, Homeland security, Searches on the highway, the Patriot Act! We are the enemy Google those topics! and Visit and tell others. CNN promotes WAR.

      December 7, 2011 at 2:31 am | Reply
  15. hesto2012

    You read everyday about some poor individual that is released from incarceration because the case against them was flawed. You read about some guilty person who gets away because the case against them was flawed . Yet some on this thread are trying to defend the first step towards a fascist state. The system is indeed flawed but it has it’s
    Corrections from time to time.This legislation would remove that corrective ability.
    All those tried under such circumstance would be at the mercy of any who might disagree with them that hold influence or power.

    December 1, 2011 at 12:45 pm | Reply
  16. hesto2012

    This is a HUGE issue that is not getting the MSM attention that it clearly calls for!
    Who decides what the definition of a terrorist is?! When you give up your freedoms to gain safety then you deserve neither safety or freedom. This is the anticonstitution of law. The fanatical overlords that drafted such unAmerican legislation need to be called to task their time in office is up! They clearly do not understand the spirit, .never mind the letter of the U.S. Constitution.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:35 am | Reply
    • Dave

      Tar and Feathers time!

      December 1, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  17. DAnna Sviridova

    Welcome to the USSA!

    December 1, 2011 at 9:19 am | Reply
  18. Will Rogers

    i am very disappointed in this "Article" CNN, you only represented one side, and gave a very biased view of the one side. The article written is a sad joke, the real article is in the comments of those posting. if your senator is one that voted for this, write him/her a letter, right now.

    December 1, 2011 at 2:50 am | Reply
  19. Neurotoxin

    This is as scary as it is unlikely to succeed. Obama may very well veto it. He has nothing to lose as the bill has a strong bipartisan opposition, with its only support coming from the vehemently despised mainstream centers of both parties – a conglomerate Obama has a strong need to divorce himself from. He can't go wrong for 2012 by aligning hiself with the likes of Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders, and few opportunities lend themselves, much less to align with both at once. If he does sign it into law, it is extremely unlikely to survive a guaranteed Constitutionality challenge – every liberal on the Supreme Court is a guaranteed "no" vote and Roberts and Alito are likely "no" votes as well.

    December 1, 2011 at 1:03 am | Reply

    The Executive or the Judicial branch should step in. Obama said he would veto: let's see what happens.

    Either way, every single Senator who voted for this bill should be thrown out of office at the next election by THE PEOPLE (us).

    Unless they make voting for a certain person a "terrorist" act.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  21. KyleGlobal

    Shame on CNN for literally burying this story on their site. A bill allowing the US military to grab and detain people within the US and hold them indefinitely is one of the scariest things to happen in the US. This is a clear abuse of power, and why is CNN such a sheep on this issue?

    November 30, 2011 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • kayjulia

      Very good point !!!
      There should be a lot of noise about this and there isn't is everyone brain dead?

      November 30, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Reply
  22. kayjulia

    This is so bad so corrupt I am almost speechless tears are coming down my face. The idea of a conspiracy is not something I usually entertain, but with the police violence against nonviolent demonstrators all on one or two days and now this proposed legislation by congress I am entertaining the idea there is more at work here than most of us are willing to admit.
    Something is very, very wrong in our country! When we would bring forth a proposed law that would could be used against our own people. We have already broken international laws over and over and broken treaties over and over. One would ask is our great republic coming to an end? Why aren't there more demonstrations in the streets? Why aren't there more demands of investigation of these members of congress? Why are we beating defenseless non-violent demonstrators? Why are we demonizing segments of our population? Why can some people defraud for billions and not be punished and others get a club or boot for pointing it out? Have we abandoned all our values for WHAT? I'm in desolate that we are losing our republic to elitists and demigods where can I go to live free and not afraid of government's henchmen? Shall I live in fear in the country of my birth after over thirty years of faithful service in both war and peace?

    November 30, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Reply
    • Jim Downey

      December 1, 2011 at 3:27 am | Reply
  23. Dave

    61 senators guilty of Treason?
    Our constitution clearly states: The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus ( unlawful restraint)shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. Article 1 section 9 where is the proof that the masses pose a threat, except to them.
    Yet this is exactly what these senators are trying to do, couple this with all the other overbearing, cumbersome , intrusive and constitutionally destructive legislations coming from this branch, laws coming from the judicial branch and extensive use of Executive orders, leaves one much to consider regarding our real freedoms.
    Are we really free as our founders intended? Does the right to free speech still exist? Not if this government continues it’s path. so then the question becomes at what point do you take a stand for the remaining rights? The soapbox has failed, the ballot box has failed. At what point do you literally take up Arms to defend ourselves against an enemy domestic? I can imagine the prerevolutionary conversation at the dinner tables of the founders. At what point do you risk your family, reputation, wealth and status? The Declaration of Independence says “ — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”
    Will you stand armed, when the government orders the seizure of your neighbor, myself or yourself and family for speaking out? Or refusing to give up your second Amendment right to bear arms(give up your guns?) Will you train and prepare for the coming fight or will you learn to enjoy the taste of boot on your tongue by the federal police?
    Do you really need proof? Pull your head from the sand and look around. A government that refuses to be fiscally responsible or accountable to the people( 7.8 trillion tax dollar secret loans to banks some to foreign banks, closed meetings and deals) Our wealth going to foreign countries, many are not even our friends. Refusing to secure our borders, ect. Ever wonder why so many countries hate us, could be because of dirty deals our gov’t has made. Look around, the shackles are already on your feet.
    Many people believe our country is falling from prominence, or will collapse. If it happens, it will not be by the hand of a foreign army but from within by cowardice. When will you Tar and Feather subversive representatives’ and force the government to obey us or will you proudly wear the shackles of a slave?
    I am a Proud Son of a confederate Veteran and a constitutional Militiaman. Not a neo-Nazi skinhead, but a real constitutional militia and under command of my state governor (see your states constitution)you are too! It’s your duty as an American and native of your state. Wake up, start training, preparing and choose your side.

    November 30, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Reply
  24. Jonny Doe

    This is the most frightening piece of legislature I have ever seen in these United States. This should be front page news in HUGE FONT ALL CAPS. This is no different from the emergency law passed in Egypt in 1958. The Egyptian government had the right to imprison individuals for any period of time, imprisoning dissenters indefinitely and for virtually no reason, and without any right to a lawyer or trial. once it was permanently enacted in 1967 it took the people 44 years to rise up an make a change. In fact this is similar legislature to laws in effect during every dictatorship in the history of the world. This must be vetoed.

    November 30, 2011 at 1:04 pm | Reply
    • Tom H

      Couldn't agree more with Johnny Doe. This crap is NOT what this country is about. The reference to Egypt is accurate. Analogies with 1930's Germany and Italy are also accurate. Veto this fascist legislation!!

      November 30, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Reply
    • Bob

      Totally agree. We have met the enemy and he is us.

      November 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  25. Carly4Freedom

    Now this should be on the first page! How horrible for something like this to pass. Ron Paul was the only one who really stood against it and the people pushing it really shocked me. They also passed detention centers being made this last January for FEMA, in case of emergency or Marshall Law. The stage is being set. There is a reason the big corporations and banks are sitting on 2 trillion dollars and I believe thats because they are waiting for the other show to drop. Then people will really be starving in the streets and since we don't make anything anymore, once other countries stop trading with us because the value of our dollar and credit rating is so bad, then you will see real riots and they are getting ready for it.

    November 30, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Reply
  26. cog in the wheel

    Another step towards becoming a military state. If this bill stands, a US citizen can be held indefinitely on "suspicion" of being a proof, just suspicions. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

    November 30, 2011 at 8:05 am | Reply
  27. Eddie

    What's with the "Posse Comitatus Act"?

    November 30, 2011 at 5:08 am | Reply
    • Myles

      as was proven at the G20 summit the US has no intention of obeying the laws already on the books! The military is not allowed to be police for a reason. Do people forget we already have a militrized FBI, ATF and DEA tracking terrorist in the US. And didn't the Attemted assisination of the Saudi ambassidor get caught using just domestic means? If this goes thru the next occupy camp will be evicted by the natinal gaurd. and that patty wagon will be going to gitmo not your local police station! If you think I'm over reacting ask the Chilian's.

      November 30, 2011 at 8:39 am | Reply
      • Daniel Golightly

        I was thinking along the same lines. With all of the Right-wing activists calling occupiers terrorists lately, I do not think it would be wise to step forward with this legislation. This legislation must be stopped in order to keep America at least a semi-free country.

        November 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  28. Aaron

    Obama veto any bills that he's opposed to? That's yet to happen. He always changes his opinion and sides with those forcing it down his throat.

    November 30, 2011 at 3:41 am | Reply
  29. Chris

    This is scary. It really is. I don't know what else to say. Wake up people and stop this .....

    November 29, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
    • emaho

      Good point, Chris. What most of the sheep don't realize is that this "legal" provision applies not only suspected al-quaeda "terrorists", but to US citizens as well...both here and abroad. In other words, you disagree with TPTB and you're in jail. No recourse and no passing "GO".

      November 30, 2011 at 1:52 am | Reply
    • Edwin

      So... basically, if I complain about the government too loudly, they can capture me on suspicion of being al-Qaeda. Then... no right to a trial or anything else, because I might be a terrorist.

      I get that terrorists are bad. But there was a reason we created the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the first place - the power to detain indefinitely without trial is a political tool in the wrong hands. When we were still English Colonies, many of the most outspoken critics of British rule were detained like this. And now, we are planning to do it to others.

      Benjamin Franklin was right - "they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

      November 30, 2011 at 2:38 am | Reply
      • frank

        "essential liberty" – hmmmmm - there seems to be a debate here about 'essential'.

        I am sure that Al Qaeda feels its essential that they kill all infidels . Lets not help them.

        November 30, 2011 at 10:31 am |
  30. Max

    Now that the senate passed such as rule. Isn't George W Bush a terrorist on American soil? Hasn't he killed thousands of innocent Iraqis on their soil with military equipment?

    Now, shouldn't they go after him, catch him and hold him in military custody? Why not?

    WTFChuck...I do agree with you, but only if George W Bush will be on one of those prison ships since he is one of the most notorious terrorists.

    November 29, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Reply
    • emaho

      Right! Blind sheep following blind and criminal shepherds.

      November 30, 2011 at 1:54 am | Reply
  31. Max

    WTFChuck...I do agree

    But only if George W Bush will be on one of those prison ships.

    November 29, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Reply
  32. Max


    Now that the senate passed such as rule. Isn't George W Bush a terrorist on American soil? Hasn't he killed thousands of innocent Iraqis on their soil with military equipment?

    Now, shouldn't they go after him, catch him and hold him in military custody? Why not?

    November 29, 2011 at 10:47 pm | Reply
  33. Max


    Now that the senate passed such as rule. Isn't George W Bush a terrorist on American soil? Now, shouldn't they go after him, catch him and hold him in military custody?

    November 29, 2011 at 10:46 pm | Reply
  34. Larry L


    @GOOD. "The stupid people who thought that terrorists should be tried in civilian criminal courts with the same rights as citizens need to have their damn heads examined. These are not US Citizens, and have absolutely no rights as such. I saw we re-open the black prison programs, or send them all out onto prison ships in international waters."
    Trading freedom for security is a slippery slope. What if one political party wins a strong majority and decides to "investigate" the opposition. If they identify individuals as terrorists they can hold them without charges, without a trial, and do it for as long as they want.

    This exactly the sort of thing we fought against during WWII and the Cold War. The USSR and Nazi Germany operated with these rules. They also had prisons where the prisoners could be interrogated with no regard for their rights as human beings. What about the Geneva Convention? What happens when the enemy captures a US Soldier and declares him a "terrorist" in their country? Is it okay to hold him forever? How about torture? Again... trading freedom for security is the act of cowards who want their government to protect them and don't care what they have to give up. A slippery slope...

    When we give up the moral high-ground we've quit being a nation worth defending.

    November 29, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Reply
  35. Trackthebills


    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
    (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • thisguy

      You're quoting Section 1032. That's the wrong section. Section 1031 does allow for indefinite detention of US citizens. It says the President can detain "covered persons," and then defines those people as anyone engaged in hostilities, with no exception for US citizens:


      (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

      (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
      (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
      (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

      November 30, 2011 at 12:09 am | Reply
      • hesto2012

        Thank you for clearing that up!! some folks just want to keep updrinking that cool aid

        December 1, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
      • ButwhatdoIknow

        Exactly, 'cause aiding terrorist is a very 'Merican thing to do and should be protected by law.

        December 1, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Drew

      I am not sure if you are implying that this doesn't apply to US citizens? But if so, you are dead wrong.

      The language simply says "the requirement to detain" which doesn't necessarily mean they can't. Even Lindsey Graham and the ACLU and others have clearly said this would apply to US citizens.

      "This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. "

      "This paragraph is worded cleverly. Rather than stating: “Detainment of persons in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States” which would dissolve all authority of this section when a US citizen is concerned, it states, “The Requirement to detain” does not extend to US citizens. This means that the section does have the authority to be applied to US citizens but is not REQUIRED. Thus, this act does in fact open US citizens up to military detainment."

      November 30, 2011 at 12:13 am | Reply
  36. chill

    So now they want to send the Army into the streets in this country to search out terrorists? The Army isn't equipped to do investigations of lone actors or small groups that are living in th middle of our general population. It's one thing to say it applies only to "al Qaeda terrorists", but who is declaring that individual a terrorist? Who gets to decide that? A court? A military leader or JAG officer? These 61 Senators deserve neither safety nor freedom. Veto it.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:37 pm | Reply
    • Edwin

      This is one reason we have THREE branches of government. The president said he would veto it.

      And even if he doesn't or is overruled, the Supreme Court can strike it down if they want. So if the legislative branch want to act like lunatics, we still have two out of three branches of government working for us, and that ain't bad...

      November 30, 2011 at 2:43 am | Reply
  37. Ken in NC

    We are always sinking old ships to make artificial reefs. I say put the terrorist on these ships and then sink them. That would attract many fish because of the availibility of fresh bait food for them. To further insure the attraction of fish, they could chum the waters around the ship being sunk.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Reply
    • Edwin

      Which terrorists? We detained people in Guantanamo for terrorism. Some stayed for more than a decade before we decided that - oops - we were wrong, they really never did anything to warrant it.

      I imagine your method would be easier, since we wouldn't have to apologize for the many mistakes we made. After all, terrorists and innocents alike make excellent fish food, and none of them ever complains about it.

      November 30, 2011 at 2:47 am | Reply
  38. Blair

    A short little story about a bill that will allow the government to indefinitely detain anyone, anywhere, it thinks is a terrorist. No charge, no trial.

    No quotes from dissenters in the article. No detailed analysis. Garbage.

    November 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Reply
  39. Alan MacDonald

    A "Crossing the Rubicon" and "Reichstag fire" moment if there ever was one.

    America has been a disguised corporate/financial/militarist Empire for quite some time now, but this act by the actors of the Empire is the "Fonzi jumps the shark" ending for the series, "Happy Days in anything approaching a democratic Republic".

    And when the Empire turns inward on the homeland then the painful truth of Hannah Arendt's prescient warning about all Empires starts to really sink-in, with the arrival of the tow-truck with the wire rope noose on your own block.

    "Empire abroad entails tyranny at home."

    Best luck and love to Occupy Empire.

    Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality

    Alan MacDonald

    November 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm | Reply
    • emaho


      Thanks for a great post and good thoughts. 50 years ago, I read Sinclair Lewis" book "It Can"t Happen Here". At the time, I diidn't think it possible. But, here we are today, and Lewis' foresights are in our face. If we don't wake up, it WILL happen here...if it hasn't already. I am so regretful over the dismal future my kids and grandkids are facing. This march to Fascist USA might have been prevented, but now I've pretty much lost hope. Good luck to us all. It IS happening here!!!!!!!

      November 30, 2011 at 2:04 am | Reply
      • Edwin

        ... and some day they will look back wistfully at this time as a time when there still were *some* freedoms left.

        November 30, 2011 at 2:49 am |
    • hesto2012

      No thats a defeatist attitude and this bill cannot stand remember the names of these oppressors and VOTE THEM OUT!

      December 1, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Reply
  40. Freedumfrom

    This will allow the central banker globalists the ability to arrest any us citizen who does not comply with the soon coming American austerity measures. This bill must be vetoed and has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with control of the waking the movie thrive on YouTube and wake up!

    November 29, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  41. Dude Manrod

    Dude, I totally agree. Here's an idea, let's put all of the Gitmo terrorists on a ship and drive it in circles in the ocean. When they are no longer useful to us, or have no more intelligence to give, then they go overboard. End of story. HAVE A NICE DAY SCUMBAGS.

    November 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Reply
    • Drew

      Dude, here is an idea. How about we accuse you of being a terrorist and allow you to join them on that boat. As it stands, nothing prevents you from being hauled away from a simple accusation without any facts to back up the claim.

      If you don't like or appreciate your freedoms and liberties how about you leave this country. There are plenty of us that happen to love America and what it stands for and we don't need people like you enabling these power hungry lunatics to obtain more control and power. Have a nice day scumbag!

      November 30, 2011 at 12:22 am | Reply
  42. WTFChuck

    GOOD. The stupid people who thought that terrorists should be tried in civilian criminal courts with the same rights as citizens need to have their damn heads examined. These are not US Citizens, and have absolutely no rights as such. I saw we re-open the black prison programs, or send them all out onto prison ships in international waters.

    November 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Reply
    • The Just One

      And apparently in your mind they are guilty until proven innocent?

      November 30, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Reply
    • Bob

      Reread the article, WTF. This time, go for comprehension.

      November 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Reply
    • Daniel Golightly

      I am going to be hard pressed in maintaining CNN's standards for discussions in this post so I'll keep it short. If you cannot find within yourself to be a decent person who takes the justice system for what it is (which is to declare guilty only when proven and to offer EVERY American the right to a fair trial regardless of standing with any people or group of people in the nation) then you should kindly keep your mouth shut because you are not a decent individual and your opinion holds no bearing with reality. This bill would grant those in power the power to detain any person at a whim, simply by calling them a terrorist threat, provided he or she can convince a person in authority of the lie. That would not be hard in these economic times. The person would never see a trial and never be heard out by the people detaining them and may never be released. Let's assume you go onto a page and post a comment such as the one you just did, but this time about left-wing liberals. Supposing a senator or governor or other individual in power reads it and deems you a threat to his or her campaign and has you locked up as a terrorist? What would you say then about this bill. Because your family and your friends would probably never see you again. You would probably die a horrible death under unsavory conditions. In fact, those people you care for would probably never know where you'd gone or think you're a terrorist. So take your idiocy away from forums where ordinarily sane people might read it. You probably can't see that as being a possibility anyway since you actually trust the government to be fair to you if any such situation did occur, I can tell you you're wrong. You would be treated as though (and told) you are not a U.S. citizen. Your life would be over. If this passes, all I have to say is that you'd better watch what you say on public forums. It might be the last thing you get to publicly say.

      November 30, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Reply
      • hesto2012

        hear hear well writ

        December 1, 2011 at 12:32 pm |

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