The irony of America cutting UNESCO funds
U.S. delegation at the UNESCO proceedings
October 31st, 2011
02:30 PM ET

The irony of America cutting UNESCO funds

The U.S. didn’t waste any time cutting funding for UNESCO after the United Nations devoted to promoting education, culture and science granted the Palestinians full membership.

Currently the U.S. covers approximately one fifth of the UNESCO costs but by cutting that funding it will be even harder for the American agenda at UNESCO to be accomplished.

That agenda is not just about protecting previous cultural sites, or teaching Afghan women, children and even police officers to read, or about helping to continue the Tsunami early warning system.  It’s also about protecting Israel.

The irony of the decision to cut funding is that UNESCO is one of the few United Nations groups where the U.S. finds a sympathetic ear on issues related to Israel.  UNESCO is actively working with America to promote tolerance and is working to deepen understanding of the Holocaust in countries where people don’t even believe it existed.

Even more important U.S. interests will be at stake if the World Intellectual Property Organization grants Palestinians membership, which as an affiliate of UNESCO they are almost certain to do.  That is where you start directly encountering obvious and significant interests to American business. When an intellectual property dispute involves the Googles or the Apples of the world and China, it is critical for the U.S. to be a member of good standing, which it will not be if Congress cuts funding.

Even more concerning is when the Palestinians make good on their promise to apply for membership to other U.N. bodies, like the International Atomic Energy Organization, which the U.S. views as critical to curbing Iran’s nuclear program.  Or the World Heath Organization, where US money spent goes directly to keeping people alive.

A cut in funding to these UN agencies will mean more than a loss of U.S. influence and prestige.  It has the potential to affect American national security in ways lawmakers may not have envisioned when it passed the legislation as a punitive measure.

Unless Congress grants President Obama waiver authority to continue funding to specific U.N. agencies that grant Palestinian membership, it won’t just be the Palestinians who are punished.

soundoff (955 Responses)
  1. Jon Dough

    Does this mean that the next time the U.S. government does something really stupid, like bailing out billionaires, that I can stop paying TAXES?

    November 2, 2011 at 9:06 am | Reply
    • Dave in Ohio

      You probably don't pay taxes now.

      November 2, 2011 at 9:30 am | Reply
  2. Cassandra Chu

    Let us be clear: After the "Israel Experiment" fails, we do NOT want all of those Jews moving here to America. Maybe to the Ukraine or Russia or make Germany take them. But not here!

    November 2, 2011 at 8:52 am | Reply
    • Brian Barnes

      Thank goodness no one said that about Asians, hey Miss. Chu...WE might not have wanted them here either!

      November 2, 2011 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • rick

      lets see, your name is Chu and you have the nerve to suggest what the US immigration policy shpuld be? how sad

      November 2, 2011 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • thetruthhurtz

      Actually that is their place of origin and this where they belong ..Those so called jews are not the jews of biblical times . They are Khazars !! Those people are not even semetic .

      November 2, 2011 at 9:20 am | Reply
    • Doron Regev

      Sorry Ms. Chu, but Israel is not an experiment, it is here to stay forever! It is one of the oldest nations, cultures and people as is China with a rich history in the region, so go read a book and understand this. The US is always on Israel's side not just because religion, but becuase Israel is fighting the worst nations on earth. Harborers of terror, hatred, oppression, and intolerance! Israel is the only Democracy in the region and the US will always protect that! Sorry to ruin your dreams!

      November 2, 2011 at 9:42 am | Reply
      • John

        Wrong Doron Regev, US protects Israel because of its lobbyist in Washington and the US interest in the region ... 75% of the US population doesn't care about Israel more than they can care about hummm, let's say Belize. There were no mayor troubles in the Middle East before the creation of Israel, it was a big mistake from the political point of view. The Jews were doing ok being spread all around the world and in the Middle East as well before the madness of the WWII and years later the creation of Israel as a state. If its all about history, what's the story then? so let the Native American claim their land over the whole US, or even England, what about Iran taking over what it was the whole Persian Empire, or Peru claiming most of south America because of the Incas Empire. I know some people like to do that, claim land that it "belongs" to them because a far far far away family member used to lived there, just ask people in Poland who is having (nowdays) lawyers from NY coming to the door steps with eviction orders from their houses because that land belonged to somebody else before the WWII

        November 2, 2011 at 10:32 am |
      • Old Shoe

        Wrong, John. Politicians and lobbyists are not the root cause of America's support of Israel. It goes back to two biblical promises GOD gave Abraham. . . . 1. God outlined the borders of a land that GOD promised Abrahams descendents would be theirs one day. 2. I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you.

        Many Americans (Jew and Gentile) know what those blessings mean. Those who are scripturally illiterate and ignorant do not understand these promises to Israel are eternal. People think these biblical promises as "expired" or no longer valid. Most Americans also tend to think America's past and present prosperity is our own doing. Not so. Both these promises GOD gave to Israel still stands.

        Most Americans do understand that Islam and muslims have an agenda and that is world domination and wiping out Israel. Muslims would like to wipe out Amerrica too, and that could happen, if God ever lifted his hand of blessing off of America if America chose not to stand in support of Israel.

        November 2, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
      • a cynic

        Last I checked Israel hasnt existed as a legitimate nation for 2000 years like China has.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
      • Ghost of W

        @Old Shoe. What a load of twaddle. Even if you believe a book written over a period of several thousand years, translated through several languages, and edited to suit European royalty and religion – it doesn't define any specific boundaries for Israel. It also mentions tribes that no longer have land in the area which I'm sure you'll be fighting to restore. And then you can work to restore America to it's pre-European occupants.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • DebG

      I'd rather allow Israelis into the US than Muslims or most of the others that come to this country. At least they're well educated and treat women as equals.

      November 2, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  3. eric calderone

    This incident simply further demonstrates, not that any further evidence is needed, how completely American foreign policy is controlled by the Israeli lobby and their sycophants in Congress, the Administration and even in the media. Maybe we ought to replace the American flag with the Jewish Star.

    November 2, 2011 at 8:44 am | Reply
    • rick

      so rather than having israel as an ally in the middle east our congress should ally the US with Iran, Iraq, libya or one of the other unstable, undemocratic, Islam controlled countries? exactly what newspapers have you been reading in the last 20 years?

      November 2, 2011 at 9:19 am | Reply
      • AD

        Why? Why? Why do we HAVE to have an ally in a part of the world that none of us care about. I hate the false if/or dichotomy that says we have to be either friends with the Jews or friends with the arabs. How about we bring all our troops home and let them ALL fend for themselves.

        November 2, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
      • eric calderone

        Having Iran or Libya as an ally would be preferable to having a State like Israel which views its Muslim neighbors as inferior beings and as a source of cheap labor and raw materials. I use my God-given mind, and logic, to draw my inferences. I try not to allow those with vested interests to spoon feed me my opinions.

        November 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
  4. Skeptic

    Forget about punishing Palestinians. It's the U.S. that will become irrelevant. Mr. Scrooge may have all the money in the world, but if he's not spending it on anyone, he's got no friend.

    November 2, 2011 at 8:26 am | Reply
    • thatguy

      that's not how the world works bro. money gives power and influence. but, yes we need to build better relationships.

      November 2, 2011 at 9:09 am | Reply
    • Brian Barnes

      why should we spend our money on you when you do nothing but complicate any good we try to do. Take care of your own problems, the US will be just fine

      November 2, 2011 at 9:14 am | Reply
  5. Cassandra Chu

    I am becoming increasingly disgusted by the anti-Arab anti-Muslim racism that is prevalent in the media and our politics. Since when did Israel start running American foreign policy? When Chelsea Clinton married a Zionist Jew? Or was it back when Bush had a posse of Israeli advisers who got us into the war in Iraq? Pathetic.

    November 2, 2011 at 8:07 am | Reply
    • Theo

      your antisemitism is showing

      November 2, 2011 at 11:36 am | Reply
    • eric calderone

      Yes, Cassandra. Well said.

      November 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Reply
  6. Tom

    America has been traditionally isolationist until World War II. It is time to be isolationist again. The US needs to spend its money on itself. It needs to cut defense spending and defend its own borders, nothing more. We, the US and the West, need to be energy independent so we do not get entangled in foreign wars nor send our wealth to oil dictatorships throughout the world. I say we allow Palestine to become a nation. However, Palestine, Hammas, and all the Muslim world should also recognize the right for Israel to exist and leave Israel alone. If the Muslim world and Hammas cannot do that, then there is no reason Israel cannot invade the nation of Palestine and annex it. This is a fresh start for Palestine and the Muslim world. The world recognizes Palestine in exchange for peace.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:57 am | Reply
    • Matt

      AMEN to that. Besides, NONE of the stated agenices have done a dam thing that works.

      Bring it home.....Bring it ALL home.

      Ron Paul 2012

      November 2, 2011 at 7:25 am | Reply
    • ms1234

      I agree. I do also think though, that we should offer support if needed to our allies, and not encourage them to go take over another country, albeit a somewhat rogueish country with questionable civilized abilities.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:36 am | Reply
    • Mike

      Agreed, time for us to stop supporting and policing the rest of the world.

      November 2, 2011 at 8:47 am | Reply
    • AD


      November 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Reply
  7. Voiceinthewind

    Seems like Da Zionist Jooz is running American Policy, why not just dump Con-gress and bring in the Kinneset hell we are already paying them and they have more sway than our Con-gress and out Poli-tickers don't seem to be doing anything to help the Palestinians so what's the big deal. We pay Da Zionist Jooz billions already and our Con-gress will certainly not be missed so just get rid of them and let Da Jooz rule. No one in Con-gress would mind as long as they leave with the fat pensions in place. What a joke American Poli-ticks are becomming worse and worse each day. Go Oakland.

    November 2, 2011 at 6:24 am | Reply
    • AD

      I can't tell if you are serious or trying to be funny. You come across as a total moron, either way. FYI.

      November 2, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
  8. J R Brown

    Why is it so impossible for people to comprehend that just because a geographic area is called "Palesinte" that it doesn't equate to an independent state or government? We've referred to part of the middle east for hundreds and hundreds of years as "the fertile crescent" but that doesn't make that area a "country" or the people occupying it citizens of the country of the fertile cresent.

    Palestine is a name used to refer to a geographic ares...there never has been a country of Palestine. Ever. Giving equal standing to Palestinians is akin to recognizing the sovereign state of "Inuit"...or giving recognition as a "state" to eskimos as people without a country.

    It's just nonsensical.

    November 2, 2011 at 5:57 am | Reply
    • Postal

      Before World War I, there was no formal Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, or Arabia. The European countries established them from the Ottoman Empire after WWI. The nation of Israel did not exist until 1948. The Jews were mostly driven out of the "area" of Israel (not the country of Israel – much like Palestine, a formal nation of Israel never existed before 1948, it was simply a region) by the Romans. It did change names from "Israel" to "Palestine" and others from time to time during wars, when different factions claimed the area for relatively short periods of time.

      So, in the end...Blame it all on the Romans...

      November 2, 2011 at 8:40 am | Reply
    • thetruthhurtz

      Go back to Germany , Poland , Russia . That is your land .

      November 2, 2011 at 9:29 am | Reply
  9. tariq

    this is politics in america if you dont lesson y0u kn0w what s will happen...........

    November 2, 2011 at 5:16 am | Reply
  10. darknessangel

    It's interesting to see that CNN pushes this news way to the back of their webpage and that they edit the video of the spokeswoman cutting important questions about her opinion on the voting bring 107 countries in favor and just 14 against.
    No matter the rethoric used, 88% of the world is in favor of that step. It's democracy! But now the US is against it? Even the UK voted for it. Although it was fairly pathetic that Germany voted against just for the sake of not being labelled Nazis.

    November 2, 2011 at 2:29 am | Reply
    • Shane

      I agree, that it is ironic that the US cuts funding due to a Democratic vote. If it was just the security council that made this decision, or some situation where there was no vote, then I'd understand the cutting of the funding.

      But it's not, it was a democratically elected vote. While I'm not a huge fan of either Palestine or Israel, the people did vote.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:54 am | Reply
    • Aeroman

      The UK did not vote for it. The abstained.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:50 am | Reply
    • Matt

      For the past five+ weeks Palestine has been firering rockets across it borders. Not much news on that. Why? Remember, these are the people you want to give a pat on the back.

      November 2, 2011 at 7:32 am | Reply
    • whiteangel

      Maybe if people would stop screaming "Nazi" at Germans every time they disagreed with the decisions the Germans are making the Germans wouldn't have to do the "PC" thing?
      Besides, I doubt what someone else thinks had anything to do with how they voted. It is far more likely that they voted this way for political reasons, like, lets say, Israel has more to offer the Germans than Palestine.

      November 2, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Reply
  11. Charles

    If Palestians in this country had the funds and the political muscle that the Jews have which side do you think we would support in the Middle East?

    November 2, 2011 at 12:28 am | Reply
    • Keren

      The population of the USA is 312 Million and it has 5.3 million Jews. The population of Denmark has 5.6 million people and it has 6,400 Jews. And it is as supportive of Israel as the USA. To claim that numbers play any role is just obscene. the support for Israel emanates from its its civility and democracy. The population of Palestine is not 3.76 million but 300 million, since there are just that many Arabs our there in the middle east. Its not numbers my friend its the quality and belief in shared values that holds Israel and the USA together. And not one in the Arab world cares about the Palestinians, because if the Arabs with their trillions of oil funds, would have already turned the Palestinian territories into switzerland. Wake up !!!!

      November 2, 2011 at 1:38 am | Reply
      • IdahoTom

        Political muscle is always strongly tied to financial power. And as you can see with the top 0.1% being the richest and the most influential (both politically and economically), it's clear that there's no correlation between number and political effectiveness. I'm not even sure why you brought up the numbers of Jews in the respective country when it's irrelevant.

        November 2, 2011 at 1:58 am |
      • Kareny

        Agreed, not only that people need to read history. When Israel was created there was suppose to be a Palestinean state created as well. But the middle eastern countries were against that & went to war against Israel instead.

        November 2, 2011 at 3:51 am |
      • Nick

        Not one Arab country cares about Palestine? What are you on Crack. Typical American-Jew.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:44 am |
  12. Ragmop

    First the Palestinian people came into existence with the UN partition of Palestine, prior to that time there was no Palestinian people. But, more important the Idea of United Nations being a fair & impartial media for dealing with international crisis is a fine in a theoretical point of view in practice the UN is biased and is tainted by groups of "friends".
    The history of the UN shows it to biesed aginst Israel.. UNESCO has elected a non-country as a member in violation of UN requirements. The inclusioon of Palestin will just make them more unbalenced. All right thinking nations should withdraw their backing for this organization.

    November 1, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
    • Jobe

      @Ragmop, you are repeating the tired Hasbara smear which only serves to undermine the identity of the only real group of people who have historical ties to the land. Zionist ties to Israel are based upon lies and mythology and that narrative is falling apart at the seams.

      Zionists considered themselves Palestinians long before partition. The Jerusalem Post was even called the Palestinian Post. I know you despise that word but it is the truth. You are speaking of Palestinian nationalism, a product of post-Ottoman independence. Mandate Palestine existed is an occupied state and had Palestinian currency. Prior to this it was a providence together with Syria as part of the Ottoman Empire for over 1,400 years. Even before then the name Palestine has been in use dating all the way back to the name Philistine.

      The Israeli narrative stems from 63 years of propaganda and pathological lies. Israel's ethnic cleansing is among the most brutal in all of history involving the uprooting and complete erasure of a culture and identity in favor of one that never existed. Inventing history, restoring Hebrew, pushing a political ideology in place of cultural and religious beliefs (Zionism has destroyed Judaism) with Sabbatean symbolism found in secret societies and mystery religions (the hexagram) in favor of the menorah.

      Then there are those like you who are vile and full of hate and repeat the exact same thing. The readers here might not be as educated on the conflict as othesr and might not be used to the tricks resorted to by Hasbarists such as yourself. Just know this, you lost the information war and are wasting your time. Now there is written proof in the mainstream media Congress is putting the needs for a foreign nation founded by terrorism over those of American citizens. Pulling out of these organizations and withholding funding is counterproductive to American business driving our economy. It is certainly not worth it to appease Israel.

      Stop blaming the effect instead of the cause and stop continuing to be the cause and making excuses. There never was a historical land of Israel. Judah was not entirely ethnic or religiously Jewish in the modern sense and Christians used to be called Jews. The Western Wall is not part of a temple and its holiness was made up by Zionists in the 19th century. There never was a Solomon's Temple on the Temple Mount. These are facts. Look them up. Don't read the Zionist sources because they are all a bunch of biased lies. Zionists are European colonists with no ties to the ME. Israel is occupied Palestine and belongs to the Palestinians, the real descendants of any hypothetical Hebrews who lived there, proven by genetic tests. It will belong to them once again when this is all over.

      Any American who supports Israel for religious purposes has been scammed by dispensationalism and the rapture hoax, another 19th century lie. Certainly it is no coincidence these things came about around the same time all in the19th century. Any American who supports Israel period should be arrested for treason starting with the ones on capitol hill. The author of this article ends with a sentence saying 'it won't just be the Palestinians punished'. Palestine is not being punished at all by being admitting. They are gaining ground. Only Americans are being punished as we are totally isolated from the majority of the world who knows our leaders a complacent in Zionist crimes.

      March on with your propaganda all you want. Oh and that johnjohn guy saying 'go IDF go', the IDF aren't a real army. They use civilians for target practice. My tax dollars pay for this too. Zionists, the real terrorists, and those in the US covering for them are going to meet their bitter end very soon

      November 2, 2011 at 12:24 am | Reply
      • Tino 15

        Hey Jobe, you sound like an uneducated, uninformed, less than intelligent idiot! Instead of making a fool of yourself by making false statement after false statement, maybe you should go educate yourself on the middle east and it history. Go are learn about the British Mandate, Learn about the French Mandate, learn what happened during the Palestinian War of Independence, and then maybe you'll actually know what you're talking about.

        November 2, 2011 at 1:43 am |
      • Mike Houston

        Is that last line of your little "history" a threat, Jobe? Sounds like it to me.

        November 2, 2011 at 2:06 am |
      • Californian

        Thank you very much for this information.
        "The Jerusalem Post was even called the Palestinian Post."
        I like to add that I found some maps posted on some official Israeli websites that do carry the name PALESTINE on them.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:04 am |
  13. Kent Bowen

    So, let me get this straight: If we cut our funding, they will no longer support our message. Maybe they have been supporting our message only to get our money. Let's cut out the middleman and pay for our own propaganda straight up. Probably will only cost us 2-3 times as much...

    November 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Reply
  14. Adam

    Good. I'm sick of the useless UN thinking that somehow they'll help the Palestinians by legitimizing the PLO. It's about time we cut off their funding, make them realize how dependant they are on the US.

    November 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm | Reply
    • Ashe

      But if UNESCO gets increased funding, say, from the Chinese, wouldn't the relevance of the American way be eroded? 107 countries voted FOR and 14 countries voted AGAINST. America champions democracy for all, except when......other people vote a differenrt way? I think its important for America to remain relevant. Pulling money out of UNESCO as punishment doesn't make America look big. maybe I'm wrong on this though.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
      • johnjohn

        China will not support with funds. get real. stop support of this French based org.

        November 1, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
    • David Miller

      The US is becoming more irrelavent each day anyways. I believe someone else will pick up the slack.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Reply
      • yoyo

        yea right, like someone can afford it. Get a clue, at this point, US is the only country that has the ability to give this kind of support. Not even the Arab world will be willing to give the money US gives to Palatines. Talk about UN, a combined China and Russia will not even come close to what US is doing. and yes US is by far the most significant country till this day the last time i checked

        November 1, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • protius

      Maybe we should also cut off our aide to Israel to let them know we don't approve of apartheid government in the Middle East.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Reply
      • Dude

        Every time the US has distanced itself from Israel, they have done much better.
        Under Carter, the US moved it's foreign policy more to the middle. The result was a treaty with Egypt and the first direct talks with Palestine.
        Under Clinton, the same shift in policy pushed negotiations further forward and Israel went 365 days in a row without a single death due to terrorism.
        In between, under Bush I and Bush II, America backed Israel more exclusively and the situation for both Israel and Palestine suffered.

        In conclusion, whether you are pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, it is best if the US moves towards a middle ground and can act as a neutral partner in negotiations.

        November 1, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
      • Californian

        @protius,Maybe we should also cut off our aide to Israel to let them know we don't approve of apartheid government in the Middle East.
        Sir, I do agree with you 100%
        What do we get in return for this aid? ......LIBERTY..... if you get my drift.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:11 am |
  15. georgex

    Ironic is the fact our nation stands for democracy and yet wishes to contradict the democratic polling on this issue. All the other nations are skeptical of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians and the U.S. doesn't respect this vote.
    Also, with the population of 7 billion in the world we need to support UNESCO with the business of educating women about their rights and about family planning to prevent too many pregnancies.

    November 1, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Reply
    • anon

      Popularity has nothing to do with right and wrong. The will of the majority is not inherently correct (one of many examples being the treatment of blacks and other minorities in the US in past times). What is right in this case is a strong and lasting peace between Israel, Palestine, and the rest of the Middle East. Such a peace can not be unilaterally forced on Israel or Palestine. Both parties must sit down and come to an agreement or nothing will truly be accomplished. The US is right in seeking to quash the Palestinian effort to unilaterally achieve a state. If they are simply handed a state without having to recognize Israel and renounce terrorism, the conflict will not end but rather intensify.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:39 pm | Reply
      • darknessangel

        Wait a second "popularity doesn't have anything do with right and wrong"? that sounds like dictatorial rethoric! The translation should read "we don't care about 88% of the countries in UNESCO voting for it! We don't care about democracy!" There, corrected.

        November 2, 2011 at 2:37 am |
    • anon

      Let me clarify on a few points:

      1) While I am a firm supporter of democracy, democracy in its purist form is not used and for good reason. Right transcends popularity, and steps must and have been taken to safeguard against the majority enacting a great wrong. In the United States this is where our judicial branch (particularly the Supreme Court) comes into play. Legislation that is democratically passed is sometimes struck down when it is deemed to have violated the constitution. You might charge me dictatorial rhetoric, but without safeguards all it takes is one vote for a democracy to turn itself into a dictatorship.

      2) The UN as an institution aspires to be democratic, but it is very far from true democracy. The simplest reason why this is not the case is that the majority of its participants are not democracies and can not be said to (always) represent the will of their people. Another important factor is that the UN gives each member state one vote – if the tiniest of states have equal vote to the largest, the ideal of "one man one vote" is far from realized. And of course the security council gives a select few nations vastly disproportionate power with their ability to veto anything. It isn't really the UN's fault, it's just the nature of the beast.

      What sets the US apart from the majority of the world is that they truly care about creating peace between Israel and Palestine. Where the US wants a win-win, the world only cares that Israel loses. While it may seem strange that the US is blocking Palestinian statehood when a Palestinian state is essential in any final peace, if you understand the subtleties it is the obvious choice. If the Palestinians are given the rights of a state when they have repeatedly shown that they can not yet uphold the responsibilities of one, they will see no need to stop their attacks (in every sense of the word) on Israel. Everything will be the same as before except that Israel and the world will have lost much of the leverage they once held over the Palestinians.

      November 2, 2011 at 3:43 am | Reply
      • Aeroman

        This is the best and most educated statement I've read here tonight! Although I agree somewhat with the author - that by cutting off funding to everything the Palestinians apply for and are granted membership in the UN, we isolate ourselves and may even cause dangers for ourselves and Israel - I believe that in a situation that is essentially lose-lose, we've chosen the best path we could and stayed consistent with our commitment to Israel and its security, the best we could.

        November 2, 2011 at 4:06 am |
      • sjs

        anon..really? US really cares about peace between the two nations? Even to someone with some sense of neutrality that sounds little farfetched....I doubt the US (or any government for that matter) does things without a self serving agenda...and honestly, after the wars over the last decade, the whole "US wants peace" doesn't fly...No one wants peace at the cost of power (which is only smart in my opinion), but I wish people , countries, etc would have the guts to stand up and say it like it is...

        November 2, 2011 at 8:43 am |
      • Mike

        "If the Palestinians are given the rights of a state when they have repeatedly shown that they can not yet uphold the responsibilities of one".....

        They have the basic human right to form a state. It is not something that is up to the U.S. or Israel to decide. The U.S. and Israel get one vote out of many, which is the way it should be.

        November 2, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
  16. dalata

    USA is simply a satellite of Israel, for electoral reasons they have to please Israel,even if its against their national interest and even if Israel is spying on America on a daily basis . American politicians are cowards and traitors to america and to american values.
    With this type of politics and politicians ( americans and Israelis) in the next century America will continue to lose its influence and prestige, and Israel unfortunately will be dust in the wind.

    November 1, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Reply
    • Satheesan Kochicheril

      American influence is merely based on muscle power. Our actions lack the moral basis. Our policies are influenced by the war industry. Eisenhower said: "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

      November 1, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Reply
      • johnjohn

        correct. nuke it until the sand turns to glass

        November 1, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • Thepacific

      You have said it all. This explains why people love to take US dollars and yet still distrust US government. This shows we are some kind of tyrant. We are not fighting for democracy or freedom. From leaders to subordinates our government is selling out our values, our name, and whatever we say we stand for.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Reply
    • Joe Rioux

      Ridiculous. Where do you get your information... from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

      November 1, 2011 at 11:09 pm | Reply
      • protius

        Mr. Rioux,

        Dalata’s observations are spot on. Opposing Palestinian nationhood not only runs counter to our national interests, but also to our national sense of right and wrong, and fair play.

        The Israelis are using the same strong-arm tactics that Mussolini’s Brown Shirts did in the 1920’s. They arrest and hold incommunicado their own citizens for passively protesting against government policies. And out the other side of their mouth they call themselves a democracy. Americans aren’t blind, nor are we stupid, and we’re getting fed-up with their crap.

        November 1, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • BlessedIsrael

      dalata, Israel will never turn to dust. Though the palestians have bombed
      them twice, Friday and yesterday, they will get thougher and say: ENOUGH!!!!
      and I wish this will happen soon. Interesting how we never hear it in the news
      about the bombings. The newsmedia is so one sided.....

      November 2, 2011 at 2:06 am | Reply
      • blessedpalestine

        for those who do not know, this a eyewitness from the holyland. when the israeli parents teach their children to throw stones againts palestinian women wearing hijab, claim that they are the chosen ones and this is their promised land, use their influence to make them suffer hunger and be homeless in Gaza, Steal palestinian houses with the aid of israeli police. Are those the blessed ones?
        For all of those who love Jesus and justice, please wake up.

        November 2, 2011 at 3:54 am |
  17. cacique

    It is an important economic blow against UNESCO, but it is also a brave action on their part not to act according to funding interests only. Speaking their minds in a democratic way shows us how useless money is when it is only intended to manipulate the world's conscience into submision.

    November 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Reply
    • Thepacific

      how childish our government is !... I take back your candy if you do not do whatever I want... you know what the world say to our government: get lost, take your money and take care of your people. I can't stop laughing of the US government. What a shame.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Reply
  18. Socrates

    US, shame on you. You just added another injustice in your sad history. In the seventeenths you killed hundred of thousand Latino American people all across South America using the dictators your sinister CIA and Kissinger put in power in those countries. You were the last country to support the resistance to Apartheid in South Africa, you did it when the white could not hold power anymore and now you are doing the same with Palestine supporting the fascist Zionist regime of Israel. How low can you go. Shame on you US and your boss Israel.

    November 1, 2011 at 7:10 pm | Reply
    • SteveW

      fascist Zionist is certainly an interesting turn of a phrase.

      November 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Reply
    • WeThepeople

      and that is how our government maintains the hatred, the conflict, and the chaos in the world so that our young men can go abroad and die in the name of freedom, democracy, .. what is it? Don't be fooled by our government when they call for our sacrifice in the name of freedom __ shame shame shame. Can't trust our government any more.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Reply
    • johnjohn


      November 1, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Reply
  19. Tom Joad

    Please let the world know that our government in the USA does not speak for the people. Many, if not most Americans do not agree with our disastrous policies in the Middle East. Palestine and Israel have an equal right to exist, and the USA should not do the bidding of corrupt oil companies and Middle East governments.

    November 1, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Reply
    • Marc Bueno (

      Very well put. I totally respect and admire the American people. I can't say the same about the US Gov't. It's important not to mix both.

      November 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Reply
    • ram

      You elected them. Is this the type of democracy you are killing thousands to disseminate around the world?

      November 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm | Reply
    • WeThepeople

      Yeah, but we elect our leaders. We chose to elect them. We chose to let them two party dominate the entire political arena. Third voice does not even have a chance in American politics, and yet we chose to play dumb. We accept them as if we had no other choices. If so then, we are part of the problem more less. Our government tells us to invade other country in the name of freedom or because of some bad guys like Khadafy, Sadam, we just blindly do it and yet want no part of its wrong doing? In the wake of 9/11, we more less support our government to revenge, to harass other nations(much less to protect our freedom) _ where were we when we attack Chile, for the legitimate president there to commit suicide and legitimize Pinochet to be our puppet. Where were we when our government chose to torture prisoners in the name of freedom? we played deaf, and we played blind. The hatred rises. Our government enjoys the god playing role: we chose where to create/maintain war, and where to maintain peace. We are not that peaceful people as we might want to claim ourselves.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply


    November 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Reply
    • alan of montreal

      ...then maybe they can divert the funds to you so you can get a proper education and improve your terrible grammar.

      November 1, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Reply
      • JA

        Or at least fix his capslock key.

        November 1, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
      • johnjohn

        good response aye. ya big hoser

        November 1, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
      • JOE in LOS ANGELES

        ...maybe so, then I can teach you a thing or two. Idiot!!!

        November 2, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • johnjohn

      end of story

      November 1, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • Catratoir

      __Did ya mama ever tell you to learn English?

      November 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • darknessangel

      It's UNESCO not the UN in first place. In second place, it was 107 votes for the motion and just 14 countries against it. So, who is failing democracy now, Mr. Righteous?

      November 2, 2011 at 2:42 am | Reply
  21. Michael

    It's sad how the fundamentalists from both sides drive this conversation into the dirt with there nonsense.

    1. To those saying "There is no 'Palestine'" – If there were no Palestine then why would we have "The British Mandate for Palestine" which defined the borders of Palestine AND established a home for the Jewish people WITHIN THOSE BORDERS. It would also go against several thousand years of historically labeling the area as Peleset, Palashtu, Pilistu.

    2. To those saying that Jewish people have the right to take land from people, despite those people having lived on the land for multiple generations and quite possibly hundreds of years, because Jews were there first.... I ask you to look no further than Native Americans and ask if you are ready to give up your own homes, farms, and businesses and return that property back to the American people who were forcibly evicted, driven away, murdered, starved, persecuted, and continue to see their culture erode into nothingness. If you aren't prepared to take that step. If you would forcibly defend what you currently own, what your parents and grandparents may have purchased regardless of how they came by it then you know how the Palestinian people feel as they struggle to retain land that has been in their family for generations.

    3. To those who would paint all Jewish, Arab, Isreali, Palestinian person as one thing (terrorist, caveman, murderer, thief) I encourage you to look back into your history books and remember the travesties that people of ALL nations have forced on one another. One nation's terrorist is another nation's freedom fighter, one nation's hero is another nation's war criminal. We like to look at other countries and pretend we are somehow above that but we forget lynchings, the trail of tears, slavery, internment camps, water boarding, invading other countries, carpet bombing, napalm and a host of our own sins we should put in comparison to what's happening elsewhere.

    4. Not all Jewish people went to Europe due to persecution in Arab countries. Some went for trade, some went for a better life. Just like all African Americans didn't come to the US via slavery. And Arabs weren't the only ones to persecute the Jews. It happened throughout western Europe for quite some time, does that allow Jewish people to get reparations for those times, to get swaths of land in Spain, France, Germany? No... So why should now be different? How can we defend persecuting one group of people in order to repay another group of people who were persecuted?

    November 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Reply
    • ram

      Well done. You tell them exactly as it is.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  22. Voice of Reason

    I'm tired of Palestinians trying to make their own state with no willpower or means to control its terroristic attacks. When you are a State, and especially when you seek to become a state, you can't hide behind the concept of "it's just the extremists" anymore. Furthermore, no country will ever validate or recognize you unless you actively seek an accountability for these acts.

    On top of that, it's also very annoying for people to tell Israel to exercise restraint when rocket attacks, mortars and suicide bombings are a regular day in the life of living over there. Just think if that ONE underwear bomber would have succeeded in the USA, the United States would've opened an entirely new from on the war on terror from a single bombing and yet everyone wants Israel to cool off when it's near constantly under attack? Seems suspiciously easy to say when it is neither your country paying the price nor your countrymen dying around you.

    November 1, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Reply
    • Michael

      Look also to the reverse vantage point. Assume for a moment that you were essentially housed in an ever shrinking internment camp. The best lands were being forcibly taken from hard working families and given to people from outside the camp. Basic necessities like food, clean water, medical supplies, and building materials for homes were restricted. Imagine that when one of those uncontrollable extremists in your camp lobbed an unguided grenade across the fence and the response was a gun chopper or missile destroying the whole neighborhood, despite that extremist probably being long gone. Imagine that 50 years worth of talks had resulted in nothing more than more restrictions, less land, fewer job opportunities, and more death. What would you do in that situation? What would be your answer to resolve the problem?

      November 1, 2011 at 6:31 pm | Reply
      • Gregg

        The Arab drive to destroy Israel began the day after Israel came into being on less than 20% of the original British Mandate in Palestine. The Arab desire to crush Israel over the years has remained constant no matter the borders, with or without settlements. That is the underlying constant issue which, unless reversed, will forever prevent true peace.

        November 1, 2011 at 6:46 pm |
    • ram

      Who are they to say that they are aggravated.?
      The israel and Palestinian story is like a good neighbor allowing you to stay in his house and after a while finds himself pushed to the outhouse while the guest takes over the master bedroom and complains of your throwing eggs on the house.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Reply
    • BlessedIsrael

      Voice of Reason, very well put. You never hear what's really happening
      in Israel, because the news media won't report it. All these rockets that
      the palestinians are trowing at Israel, and no one says anything.

      November 2, 2011 at 2:16 am | Reply
  23. Sameer

    Its unfortunate to see how such a small nation in Israel has such a large influence on the this world's super power. Why is America so determined to punish the palestinians. Is the palestinians trying to achieve equality with israel really such a horrific act of terror? I keep reading about Israel and American wishing the Palestinians would condemn Hammas rocket fire, or quit with "acts of terror"?
    It seems to me that almost everyone is forgetting the most basic cause of all of these problems... Israel is an occupying force. key word.. OCCUPYING! When they keep kicking palestinians out of their homes and establishing more settlements you think the palestinians will not react to the best of their ability ? To defend their home, their roof.. the land which they rightfully inherited ?

    Do people really think that the killings of 1000's of innocent palestinians, or iraqi's or afghani's are justified just because they are committed by 'men in uniform '.. called for by a world wide recognized commander and chief?

    The Israeli occupation of palestinians, the punishment of gaza, the murder and massacre of 1000's of innocent women and children, the discrimination on every checkpoint, the withholding of medical supplies, the cutting of UNESCO funds, the establishment of settlements, the withholding of Palestinian tax revenue.. what do YOU call these actions? .. collateral damage? ... I DONT THINK SO. Those are the real acts of TERROR! Open your eyes ladies of gentlemen.

    November 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Reply
    • rick

      stop the daily rocket attacks, the bombings of buses, the murder of olympic athletes, and sit down and start talking instead of whining as you have done for the last 70 years and then there will be no need for the Israelis to "occupy" . When egypt made peace, the israelis ceased to "occupy" the Sinai but the palestinians are bound and determined to eradicate Israel. this is the root of the problem. When you love your children more than you hate jews, there will be peace and the "occupation" will no longer be necessary

      November 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Reply
      • Sameer

        Look in way shape or form do I see justification for killing innocent human beings. Regardless of race or ethnicity. But what you have to know is that people of palestine don't resort to bombing because their inherit nature tells them too. Yes you are correct, when egypt made peace israel seized to occupy and gave back the Sinai...So under your logic, if the palestinians seize to fire rockets, israel will occupation will no longer be necessary and israel will give palestine back to the palestinians?

        The palestinian retaliation is not hatred against jews, its animosity felt towards the occupier.

        So basically what im being told my the Israeli is: I am going to come, take away your home, your land, then im going to occupy you until you learn to live with it.

        The key to peace isnt only the rocket fire. What you have to understand is that the rocket fire is not for fun, but it is a retaliation. Its sad that some palestinians resort to it, but the truth is .. what else can they do. They are victims of ethnic cleansing. Continuous settlement done by the israeli is by far the worst act of terror. Because regardless of what treaty or agreement is arranged. Israel wants to grow, they want to further establish and nothing is going to stop it. As long as they keep doing so, nothing but hatred will fill the hearts of the families that are resulting victims and thus you have retaliation. The world needs to see how the people of palestine are continuously being punished for over 60 years. It just happens that a few of them are launching rockets nowadays so all of a sudden there is some justification to the punishment. Its the sad truth.

        Unfortunately that is not the case. Israel wants to take land when it wants, and no one can stop it. With peace or without, Israel will continue to kick palestinians out of their homes, demolish their roof and build a new one for jewish settlers. There is no way that can be denied, my family was personally kicked out of our home but the threat of an israeli gun..So what happens to the palestinians who get kicked out? Well.. who cares right? It doesn't matter where they go or what they do..UNLESS, they have something to say about getting kicked out. I have been a refuge my entire life, struggling to get education, health care, a job, struggling to be viewed as an equal amongst my peers. As a palestinian ive been searching for equality my entire life, when I go to the UN for help..I get punished.

        November 1, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  24. bigguy52

    So What? The UN is a waste of time and especially money. We get very, very little for the millions we spend.

    November 1, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  25. studdmuffins

    Nation of laws means law must be followed. Why is this such a problem? Let China fund the UN. Heck, let them host it and we can turn that waterfront area into a nice park.

    November 1, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Reply
  26. ieat

    the middle east has it all wrong. If they truly want us to butt out of their business, they should invest in non-fossil fuel energy and give it to the US for free. When US isn't as dependent on foreign oil, we won't bother them (e.g. North Korea).

    November 1, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Reply
    • Omar

      So, what you are saying is that these people need to invest THEIR money for non fossil fuel and give it to YOU. Are you just plain dumb or acting stupid????
      I am sure they will do it if people like "grow" some intelligence!

      November 1, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Reply
      • TheOtherGuy

        Omar: yeah, and why not? The US has been giving BILLIONS to nations every year for virtually nothing in return. The UN is another recipient of US money and again, for all the money we GIVE, look what little we get. So yeah, they should just give us their oil.

        November 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
  27. Yakobi.

    Hopefully, lawmakers are also seriously considering exiting the bloated, fraud-ridden U.N. altogether. Nothing gets done unless both China and Russia agree to it, and that's not right. We need to concentrate instead on expanding NATO influence and isolating the enemies of peace.

    November 1, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • astutemind

      Isolating the enemies of peace means we start with Israel.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Reply
      • Mike Houston

        In your"astute" mind isolating Israel means destroying Israel...

        November 2, 2011 at 12:57 am |
  28. Craig

    Regardless, the basic problem remains. Peace will only be achieved when BOTH sides want peace. Right now, neither side does. Both sides continue to do the very things that they know will make the other mad. End of discussion.

    November 1, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply
  29. sawolf

    Wow, again with the liberty?I'm prior NAV and one question. Does anyone have experience flying 60 feet off the deck at just below mach velocities? Your nation is at war for its very survival and at those speeds and altitude NONE of us could ID a target other than to know its there. If you feels so strongly about the incident,ENLIST, we could always use people of strong conviction in our NAVY!

    November 1, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    • lance

      I know what it is to fly 60 feet above the deck of a ship says the Israeli pilot who participated in the attack on the USS Liberty who Ithe srael-Firster known as Seawolf conveniently forgets in his desire to protect and mask how his PRECIOUS Israel (said like Golem in the Lord of the Rings), murdered 34 young Americans on the USS Liberty in international waters – And yes, it will be the USS Liberty again because more and more Americans will link the official site of survivors of the USS Liberty to their Facebook accounts so that the AIPAC Al Israel-Firsters of America can no longer whitewash this issue no matter what they do!!!!
      Ya Israel-Firsters like Seawofl may try to obsequiously pose questions anyway that they want but the testimony of eyewitnesses, radio intercept officers in Malta and other places, various military leaders, and even Israeli pilots will not be hidden no matter what the AIPAC Als of these boards do!!!
      Enjoy what the Israeli pilot says as he presented by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz:
      Israeli communications said to prove IAF knew Liberty was U.S. ship
      Chicago Tribune: Transcripts of IAF communications show pilots who attacked Liberty in Six-Day War saw a U.S. flag.
      The Israel Air Force warplanes and Israel Navy warships that attacked the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, at the height of the Six-Day War, were aware that the vessel was an American spy ship, according to new testimony published Thursday in the Chicago Tribune.
      The report stated that the U.S. National Security Agency – to which the intelligence gathering ship belonged – was able to intercept IAF communications according to which, at some stage, the pilots identified the ship as American but were nonetheless instructed to push ahead with the attack.
      According to the report, some of the transcripts and intelligence information have disappeared, while the rest can be found in U.S. government archives.
      Oliver Kirby, the NSA's deputy director for operations at the time of the Liberty attack, is quoted by the Tribune as confirming the existence of the transcripts, saying he personally read them.
      "They said, 'We've got him in the zero,'" Kirby was quoted as saying, "whatever that meant – I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, 'Can you see the flag?' They said 'Yes, it's U.S, it's U.S.' They said it several times, so there wasn't any doubt in anybody's mind that they knew it."
      Kirby told the newspaper that the transcripts were "something that's bothered me all my life. I'm willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that we knew they knew."
      The report also states that then U.S. defense secretary Robert McNamara ordered jets that had been dispatched to assist the Liberty turned around.
      The Tribune quotes J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communications between Washington and the 6th Fleet, as saying that he listened in as McNamara said, "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."
      McNamara, who is now 91, told the Tribune he has "absolutely no recollection of what I did that day," except that "I have a memory that I didn't know at the time what was going on."
      Foreign Ministry Spokesman Mark Regev told the Tribune that the attack on the Liberty was "a tragic and terrible accident, a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has officially apologized."
      The USS Liberty was came under attack, first by IAF jets and then some 15 minutes later by Israel Navy warships, while patrolling off the shores of El-Arish in the Sinai Peninsula. 34 American sailors perished in the attack, 26 of them in the naval assault.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Reply
      • rick

        war is hell and we have lost many good men to friendly fire. your suggestion that this was a premeditated act is absurd and the material cited is selective and out of context. You would be more credible if you kept your anti Israel sentiments in your own home or among your neo nazi friends

        November 1, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
      • sawolf

        Israel first? Every time I climbed into a cockpit my behind was on the line,In my day 20% didn't survive their first tour. Now its 25%. Did YOU serve?

        November 1, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
      • Rick Sarasota Florida

        Rick, you know not of what you speak. The USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, with a NSA compartment on it. The Liberty was monitoring the Six Day war and was offshore, in international waters, maintaining the box route she had been following for the previous three days. That route took her from north of the Nile to north of El Arish in the Sinai peninsula.

        From the log of the Liberty, she had been spotted on several occasions every day she was in her box route by the Israeli Air Force. Tapes from EC121 show the Israeli AF identifying the ship with the GTR-5 identification on the side of the ship. On the day of the attack she was 25 miles from El Arish and 17 miles from shore. By coincidence (or was it?), the Israeli army was shooting over 400 unarmed Egyptian Prisoners of war in the area around El Arish (records indicate that over 1000 prisoners were killed during the six day war). Israeli Army historian Aryeh Yitzhaki has interviewed several high ranking Israeli general officers who have admitted to him that these murders had taken place. Israeli Army General Arye Biro has admitted that his unit had killed approximately three hundred of those prisoners.

        An hour prior to the attack, Israeli messages monitored from an EC-121 assigned to the NSA, determined that at the time of the prisoner killings the Israeli high command learned that the USS Liberty, a know US signal intelligence ship, was just offshore of the place where the killings were taking place. The EC-1212 also monitored the attack on the Liberty, both Israeli and American transmissions. The carriers the USS Saratoga and the USS America both copied the the distress signal of the Liberty, the transmission of the Israeli pilots, identifying the ship (the only ship within sixty nautical miles) with the GTR-5 on the hull (something they had done on previous days). The EC-121 also picked up the statements from the pilots indicating they saw the US flag on the fantail of the ship. The Israeli pilots knew what ship they were attacking, as did the small attack boats. All this can be found on the tapes through a Freedom of Information request for the tapes of June 8th 1967.

        November 2, 2011 at 1:27 am |
  30. chip

    Stoopid article. If it was sympathetic to America's support of Israel, they wouldn't have recognized the non-existent people of Palestine (who are all Jordanian, Syrian, and Lebanese Arabs).

    November 1, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Reply
    • lance

      If Palestinians are a non-existent people like Israel-irsters claim, then why do Israel-Firsters keep on demanding that the so-called non-existent Palestinians recognize Israel?
      Hmmm, me thinks Israel-Firsters speak with forked tongue or that maybe they need to take their medications for paranoia and invisible people that they keep wanting to see them.....ohhhh wait, iIsrael_Firsters are now demanding that the little green man from Mars recognize Israel too, heh,heh,heh...
      As a Jewish person of conscience, It find it astounding how absolutely easy it is to expose Israel-Firsters using their own words, heh,heh,heh...

      November 1, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Reply
      • astutemind

        well said Lance.

        November 1, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
    • ed

      Palestinians are from Palestine, and iam one of them . palestine where i was borne the place i love the most. I know in my mind and heart that palestinans will get thiere land back, the noly one they know. On the other hand the israeles can go back home .

      November 1, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Reply
      • TheOtherGuy

        Hey Ed? I hope you aren't living in America while writing that response. If Palestine is the place you love most then I suggest you get the hell out of here and go home to that lovely place you were born in. Unlike you though, the people of Israel have no home to go to...thats their land, and they choose to stay and make it better versus bailing on their people (like you did) to move to the US. Pathetic.

        November 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
      • rick

        they are home. like you they are from "there". in fact they are your cousins. stop whining and move on with your life. If you now live in the US you are lucky and should be proud that you are free and can speak and worship as you please.

        November 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • BlessedIsrael

      Right on Chip.....

      November 2, 2011 at 2:25 am | Reply
  31. Harry Tank

    It is all so simple. Stop the terrorism and then you will get a state. You could have had a state DECADES ago but your leaders didn't want to give up the billions in blood money from the Arab dictators who needed a distraction away from their fragile rule.

    November 1, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • bibih

      before Israel was created (settling Jews especially from Europe) where were the Palestinians – from Mars?

      November 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Reply
      • mary

        Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. And, btw the Jewish residents of the land of Palestine have been there just as long and just as the Arabs who say Jews weren't there but were resettled from Europe. And, the Jews from throughout the ME who were kicked out of their homes – land that amounts to 600 times the size of the current state of Israel – where is their right of return (to their homelands throughout the ME?)

        November 1, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
      • sawolf


        November 1, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
  32. iPeople

    Childish behavior from US. US is not acting like "the" super power of the world, rather like a wife refusing $ex. UNESCO can theoretically kick US out for not paying membership dues.

    November 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Reply
    • TheOtherGuy

      iPeople = uDouche

      November 1, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Reply
  33. Tom

    I wish the US would recognize the state of Palestine. However, Palestine, Hammas, and the rest of the Muslim world should recognize the right of Israel to exist and leave Israel alone. One thing I would really like to see is the West become energy independent and pull out of the Middle East. Let the Muslims live their lives as long as they are not aggressive to anyone in the West. I would really like to hear CNN talk more about energy independence. I like the Obama regulation requiring an increase in miles per gallon in all vehicles by 2025. I like Tesla motors continuing development of new electric cars that are becoming more and more affordable. I wish other car companies could follow Tesla's example. I wish we had more nuclear power. I like the search for alternative energy even if we have Solundra type mistakes. It is time for the West to not be dependent on foreign oil. Foreign oil forces the West to be militarily involved in countries. Foreign oil sends the wealth of the West to backward nations and dictators that we have no business supporting financially.

    November 1, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply

      Very well said!

      November 1, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply
    • OhDannyBoy

      Nicely said – but a point of order... when people talk about US dependance on foreign oil, I hope you all realize the oil in question that we rely on comes primarily from Canada – not the middle east.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Reply
      • Dave

        I think nobody in US knows #1 oil come from Canada and in second is from Mexico. Poor boys. This is only greed thats killing us in usa.

        November 2, 2011 at 2:50 pm |

    The USS LIBERTY tragedy was unfortunate, but it was a mistake...but you don't publish ANY of those accounts. Just a day before the USS Liberty tragedy, the Israeli Air Force bombed its own tanks in Jenin; did Israel kill its own soldiers on purpose, too? No; hence the "fog of war." Conspiracy theorists annoy me! Lol!

    November 1, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • lance

      You kin run but u cain't hide no more no mor no more...Israel-Firsters keep on claiming how well trained their army is and the next thing they say in the same breath is how it was an accident.. Israel-Firsters say the same thinh when Israel murders thousands of Palestrinian children as it has done using rubber bullets, Merkava tanks, helicopter gunshsips with hellfire missiles, artillery strikes, artillery shells, and even F-15's. It does the same when it kills international aid workers, when it attacks refugee camps or columns of refugees, and the list goes on and on and on. In one breath, Israel_firsters claim how great the Israeli army is and the next breath, they start whining on about how it was an accident again and again and again, thousands of times over. Boy, the Israel army must be pretty inept to have so many accidents over and over again to the point that Israel-Firsters start admitting that it even attacks its own tanks, heh,heh,heh....I guess that just reinforces the fact that Israel-Fisrters also now see that hundreds of billions of dollars in American charity that Israel has parasitically leeched for fifty years plus (over $5 billion plus a year) from We, The American taxpayers, has been absolutely wasted on an incompetent Israeli military that cannot shoot straight and even attacks its own tanks heh,heh,heh.....glad to see that Israel-Firsters are now admitting either one of two things, namely, that the Israeli military is comprised of incompetent buffoons who are too dumb to use the weapons that We, The American Taxpayer have been leeched out of given the thousands of accidents that they keep having against so many different targets both civilian and military, or two, the Israeli military purposefully and methodically has engaged in murderous attacks against both civilian and military targets!!!
      Israel-Firsters can run but they cain't no more, MYCA VYKOS, heh,heh,heh.... thanks for admitting how incompetent the Israeli military really is...
      readers, feel free to link the official website of survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty to your Facebook or other social media page. It is time to recognize the veterans killed by the buffoons of the Israeli military who MYCA VYKOS has essentially admitted to being incompetently useless homicidal nut-jobs seeing as they attack their own tanks governed by a philosphy of "shoot first and think ......well never!" heh,heh,heh....

      November 1, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply
      • MYCA VYKOS

        You're full of foolishness, lol. Thanks for pointing to the FACT that Israel will protect itself. Another fact: when you send suicide bombers, rockets, and mortars into a country to MURDER its citizens, said country will KILL YOU BACK! All of those deaths you mention are in retalliation. So said blood is in the hands is the Palestinians hands – period. War kills indiscriminately, so perhaps the Palestinian terrorists should STOP provoking a sovereign nation into defending itself, then their brethren will stop dying for the stupid, muderous actions of the terrorists! Until then, the Palestinians shall suffer for their idiocy. I'm like Israel: I'm allergic to confrontation as it makes me break out in biotch-slaps, lol!

        November 1, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
      • Snap

        Why do Israel supporters always pretend that they are justified in continuing the back and forth that no one can remember why it started. Ever watched Romeo & Juliet? Same thing happened between the families. After time, no one truly remembers who started it, and no one cares.

        November 1, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
      • bigdakine

        The US Navy shot down an Iranian Airliner over 20 years ago.

        Was that an accident or on purpose? If the US Navy with all of its technology can mitakenly shoot down an Iranian ariliner, its stands to reason the Israeli ariforce can also make mistakes. What you failed to mention is that the Israeli Navy rescued the surviviors and the Liberty's Captain did not blame ISrael and has aaid so publicly before his death.

        November 1, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
      • astutemind

        Lance you're a funny dude. Bigdakine the US shot down the Iranian airliner on purpose and gave medals to the murderers shortly thereafter.

        November 1, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
    • lance

      This may be interesting to Israel-Firsters who can run but no longer hide as Jewish people of conscience like myself who are loyal to America pull the AIPAC Als out of the shadows, heh,heh.heh...
      'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret
      by Eric S. Margolis

      NEW YORK – On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.

      'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

      'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

      At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

      At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

      Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

      An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

      The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

      Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.

      In contrast to American outrage over North Korea's assault on the intelligence ship 'Pueblo,' Iraq's mistaken missile strike on the USS 'Stark,' last fall's bombing of the USS 'Cole' in Aden, and the recent US-China air incident, the savaging of 'Liberty' was quickly hushed up by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.

      The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel's explanation and let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6 million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to attack 'Liberty' were jailed for 18 years.

      Surviving 'Liberty' crew members would not be silenced. They kept demanding an open inquiry and tried to tell their story of deliberate attack to the media. Israel's government worked behind the scenes to thwart these efforts, going so far as having American pro-Israel groups accuse 'Liberty's' survivors of being 'anti-Semites' and 'Israel-haters.' Major TV networks cancelled interviews with the crew. A book about the 'Liberty' by crewman James Ennes' was dropped from distribution. The Israel lobby branded him 'an Arab propagandist.'

      The attack on 'Liberty' was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the 'Liberty,' electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag.

      Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because 'Liberty's' intercepts flatly contradicted Israel's claim, made at the war's beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel's massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.

      Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.'

      Most significant, 'Liberty's' intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.

      Far more shocking was Washington's response. Writes Bamford: 'Despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel attacked the ship and killed American servicemen deliberately, the Johnson Administration and Congress covered up the entire incident.' Why?

      Domestic politics. Johnson, a man never noted for high moral values, preferred to cover up the attack rather than anger a key constituency and major financial backer of the Democratic Party. Congress was even less eager to touch this 'third rail' issue.

      Commander McGonagle was quietly awarded the Medal of Honor for his and his men's heroism – not in the White House, as is usual, but in an obscure ceremony at the Washington Navy Yard. Crew member's graves were inscribed, 'died in the Eastern Mediterranean..' as if they had be killed by disease, rather than hostile action.

      A member of President Johnson's staff believed there was a more complex reason for the cover-up: Johnson offered Jewish liberals unconditional backing of Israel, and a cover-up of the 'Liberty' attack, in exchange for the liberal toning down their strident criticism of his policies in the then raging Vietnam War.

      Israel, which claims it fought a war of self defense in 1967 and had no prior territorial ambitions, will be much displeased by Bamford's revelations. Those who believe Israel illegally occupies the West Bank and Golan will be emboldened.

      Much more important, the US government's long, disgraceful cover-up of the premeditated attack on 'Liberty' has now burst into the open and demands full-scale investigation. After 34 years, the voices of 'Liberty's' dead and wounded seamen must finally be heard.

      November 1, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Reply
    • lance

      Now now My Vi whatever, you can forth all you want about me but repeat after me, it is not about Lance, it is about the USS Liberty and Israel-Firsters being dragged into the light kicking and screaming and absolutely helpless to stop millions of Facebook users from putting the link of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty on their Facebook pages so as to demand justice for survivors of the buffoonishly inept Israeli military (which you rightfully pointed out is so incompetent that it fires on its own tanks, What, big giant tanks, you said, heh,heh,heh....?).
      Jewish people of conscience like me jest love watching Israel-Firsters squirm and totally unable to crawl under rocks again.
      Anyway, I also encourage Americans but especially veterans to demand that their representatives in Congress initiate such an inquiry and, at the same time, seek to have a monument erected, or a park, bridge or street named after the USS Liberty in your own communities/city in order to honor the memories of your unarmed brothers in arms (which have been dishonoured by the sell-out AIPAC Israel-First politicians from both the Republican and Democratic parties who have yet to hear under oath, the testimopnies of eye-witnessed to Israel's murderous attack on the USS Liberty).
      Again you can google this information up for yourself.
      Additionally, feel free to link the official website of survivors of the USS Liberty to your own Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn or other such page in order to raise awareness of how Israel murdered innocent unarmed Americans on the USS Liberty and in order to honour the memories of these brave souls.
      Veterans, it’s time to see justice done in a way that puts America, and not Israel-Firster's "PRECIOUS Israel" (said like Golem in the Lord of the Rings) first!!!!
      Enough is enough of “PRECIOUS” and its followers manipulating America’s body politic.
      Here is another post jest fer yer edification, dear lad, MYCA VYKOS, about what Israeli pilots said about the attack on the USS Liberty. Israel-Firsters can keep on trying to whitewash this issue but Americans will keep on remmebering this no matter how the Jonathon Pollards of America do to try to hide the truth::
      New revelations in attack on American spy ship

      Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident By John Crewdson

      Tribune senior correspondent

      October 2, 2007

      Bryce Lockwood, Marine staff sergeant, Russian-language expert, recipient of the Silver Star for heroism, ordained Baptist minister, is shouting into the phone.

      "I'm angry! I'm seething with anger! Forty years, and I'm seething with anger!"

      Lockwood was aboard the USS Liberty, a super-secret spy ship on station in the eastern Mediterranean, when four Israeli fighter jets flew out of the afternoon sun to strafe and bomb the virtually defenseless vessel on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of what would become known as the Six-Day War.

      For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed with incredulity: that Israel would attack an important ally, then attribute the attack to a case of mistaken identity by Israeli pilots who had confused the U.S. Navy's most distinctive ship with an Egyptian horse-cavalry transport that was half its size and had a dissimilar profile. And they're also incredulous that, for years, their own government would reject their calls for a thorough investigation.

      "They tried to lie their way out of it!" Lockwood shouts. "I don't believe that for a minute! You just don't shoot at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of your target!"

      Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping.

      Their anger has been stoked by the declassification of government documents and the recollections of former military personnel, including some quoted in this article for the first time, which strengthen doubts about the U.S. National Security Agency's position that it never intercepted the communications of the attacking Israeli pilots - communications, according to those who remember seeing them, that showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an American naval vessel.

      The documents also suggest that the U.S. government, anxious to spare Israel's reputation and preserve its alliance with the U.S., closed the case with what even some of its participants now say was a hasty and seriously flawed investigation.

      In declassifying the most recent and largest batch of materials last June 8, the 40th anniversary of the attack, the NSA, this country's chief U.S. electronic-intelligence-gatherer and code-breaker, acknowledged that the attack had "become the center of considerable controversy and debate." It was not the agency's intention, it said, "to prove or disprove any one set of conclusions, many of which can be drawn from a thorough review of this material," available at .

      An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, called the attack on the Liberty "a tragic and terrible accident, a case of mistaken identity, for which Israel has officially apologized." Israel also paid reparations of $6.7 million to the injured survivors and the families of those killed in the attack, and another $6 million for the loss of the Liberty itself.

      But for those who lost their sons and husbands, neither the Israelis' apology nor the passing of time has lessened their grief.

      One is Pat Blue, who still remembers having her lunch in Washington's Farragut Square park on "a beautiful June afternoon" when she was a 22-year-old secretary for a law firm.

      Blue heard somebody's portable radio saying a U.S. Navy ship had been torpedoed in the eastern Mediterranean. A few weeks before, Blue's husband of two years, an Arab-language expert with the NSA, had been hurriedly dispatched overseas.

      As she listened to the news report, "it just all came together." Soon afterward, the NSA confirmed that Allen Blue was among the missing.

      "I never felt young again," she said.

      Aircraft on the horizon

      Beginning before dawn on June 8, Israeli aircraft regularly appeared on the horizon and circled the Liberty.

      The Israeli Air Force had gained control of the skies on the first day of the war by destroying the Egyptian air force on the ground. America was Israel's ally, and the Israelis knew the Americans were there. The ship's mission was to monitor the communications of Israel's Arab enemies and their Soviet advisers, but not Israeli communications. The Liberty felt safe.

      Then the jets started shooting at the officers and enlisted men stretched out on the deck for a lunch-hour sun bath. Theodore Arfsten, a quartermaster, remembered watching a Jewish officer cry when he saw the blue Star of David on the planes' fuselages. At first, crew members below decks had no idea whose planes were shooting at their ship.

      Thirty-four died that day, including Blue, the only civilian casualty. An additional 171 were wounded in the air and sea assault by Israel, which was about to celebrate an overwhelming victory over the combined armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and several other Arab states.

      For most of those who survived the attack, the Six-Day War has become the defining moment of their lives.

      Some mustered out of the Navy as soon as their enlistments were up. Others stayed in long enough to retire. Several went on to successful business careers. One became a Secret Service agent, another a Baltimore policeman.

      Several are being treated with therapy and drugs for what has since been recognized as post-traumatic stress disorder. One has undergone more than 30 major operations. Another suffers seizures caused by a piece of shrapnel still lodged in his brain.

      After Bryce Lockwood left the Marines, he worked construction, then tried selling insurance. "I'd get a job and get fired," he said. "I had a hell of a time getting my feet on the ground."

      With his linguistic background, Lockwood could have had a career with the NSA, the CIA, or the FBI. But he was too angry at the U.S. government to work for it. "Don't talk to me about government!" he shouts.

      U.S. Navy jets were called back

      An Israeli military court of inquiry later acknowledged that their naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the odd-looking ship 13 miles off the Sinai Peninsula, sprouting more than 40 antennas capable of receiving every kind of radio transmission, was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy," a floating electronic vacuum cleaner.

      The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats who picked up where the air force left off, strafing the Liberty's decks with their machine guns and launching a torpedo that blew a 39-foot hole in its starboard side.

      To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

      Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the American 6th Fleet, which included the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, patrolling 400 miles west of the Liberty, launched and then recalled at least two squadrons of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to prevent the torpedo attack - and save 26 American lives.

      J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communications between Washington and the 6th Fleet, remembered listening as Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, in Washington, ordered Rear Adm. Lawrence Geis, commander of the America's carrier battle group, to bring the jets home.

      When Geis protested that the Liberty was under attack and needed help, Hart said, McNamara retorted that "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."

      McNamara, who is now 91, told the Tribune he has "absolutely no recollection of what I did that day," except that "I have a memory that I didn't know at the time what was going on."

      The Johnson administration did not publicly dispute Israel's claim that the attack had been nothing more than a disastrous mistake. But internal White House documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library show that the Israelis' explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed.

      Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.

      The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress.

      "I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview.

      "I just always assumed that the Israeli pilots knew what they were doing," said Harold Saunders, then a member of the National Security Council staff and later assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs.

      "So for me, the question really is who issued the order to do that and why? That's the really interesting thing."

      The answer, if there is one, will probably never be known. Gen. Moshe Dayan, then the country's minister of defense; Levi Eshkol, the Israeli prime minister; and Golda Meir, his successor, are all dead.

      Many of those who believe the Liberty was purposely attacked have suggested that the Israelis feared the ship might intercept communications revealing its plans to widen the war, which the U.S. opposed. But no one has ever produced any solid evidence to support that theory, and the Israelis dismiss it. The NSA's deputy director, Louis Tordella, speculated in a recently declassified memo that the attack "might have been ordered by some senior commander on the Sinai Peninsula who wrongly suspected that the LIBERTY was monitoring his activities."

      Was the U.S. flag visible?

      Though the attack on the Liberty has faded from public memory, Michael Oren, a historian and senior fellow at The Shalem Center in Jerusalem, conceded that "the case of the assault on the Liberty has never been closed."

      If anything, Oren said, "the accusations leveled against Israel have grown sharper with time." Oren said in an interview that he believed a formal investigation by the U.S., even 40 years later, would be useful if only because it would finally establish Israel's innocence.

      Questions about what happened to the Liberty have been kept alive by survivors' groups and their Web sites, a half-dozen books, magazine articles and television documentaries, scholarly papers published in academic journals, and Internet chat groups where amateur sleuths debate arcane points of photo interpretation and torpedo running depth.

      Meantime, the Liberty's survivors and their supporters, including a distinguished constellation of retired admirals and generals, have persisted in asking Congress for a full-scale formal investigation.

      "We deserve to have the truth," Pat Blue said.

      For all its apparent complexity, the attack on the Liberty can be reduced to a single question: Was the ship flying the American flag at the time of the attack, and was that flag visible from the air?

      The survivors interviewed by the Tribune uniformly agree that the Liberty was flying the Stars and Stripes before, during and after the attack, except for a brief period in which one flag that had been shot down was replaced with another, larger flag - the ship's "holiday colors" - that measured 13 feet long.

      Concludes one of the declassified NSA documents: "Every official interview of numerous Liberty crewmen gave consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an American flag - and, further, the weather conditions were ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification."

      The Israeli court of inquiry that examined the attack, and absolved the Israeli military of criminal culpability, came to precisely the opposite conclusion.

      "Throughout the contact," it declared, "no American or any other flag appeared on the ship."

      The attack, the court said, had been prompted by a report, which later proved erroneous, that a ship was shelling Israeli-held positions in the Sinai Peninsula. The Liberty had no guns capable of shelling the shore, but the court concluded that the U.S. ship had been mistakenly identified as the source of the shelling.

      Yiftah Spector, the first Israeli pilot to attack the ship, told the Jerusalem Post in 2003 that when he first spotted the Liberty, "I circled it twice and it did not fire on me. My assumption was that it was likely to open fire at me and nevertheless I slowed down and I looked and there was positively no flag."

      But the Liberty crewmen interviewed by the Tribune said the Israeli jets simply appeared and began shooting. They also said the Liberty did not open fire on the planes because it was armed only with four .50-caliber machine guns intended to repel boarders.

      "I can't identify it, but in any case it's a military ship," Spector radioed his ground controller, according to a transcript of the Israeli air-to-ground communications published by the Jerusalem Post in 2004.

      That transcript, made by a Post reporter who was allowed to listen to what the Israeli Air Force said were tapes of the attacking pilots' communications, contained only two references to "American" or "Americans," one at the beginning and the other at the end of the attack.

      The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing run.

      In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the ground suddenly blurted out, "What is this? Americans?"

      "Where are Americans?" replied one of the air controllers.

      The question went unanswered, and it was not asked again.

      Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers, the controller directing the attack asked his chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel belonged.

      "Apparently American," the chief controller replied.

      Fourteen minutes later the Liberty was struck amidships by a torpedo from an Israeli boat, killing 26 of the 100 or so NSA technicians and specialists in Russian and Arabic who were working in restricted compartments below the ship's waterline.

      Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

      The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

      "The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

      "The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

      Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."

      "He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."

      Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

      Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications.

      One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.

      "It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."

      Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and cryptologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

      The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?'

      "And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"

      Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading.

      "There is simply no way that [the Post transcript is] the same as what I saw," Gotcher said. "More to the point, for anyone familiar with air-to-ground [communications] procedures, that simply isn't the way pilots and controllers communicate."

      Block, now a child protection caseworker in Florida, observed that "the fact that the Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control appears to be a missing part of that Jerusalem Post article."

      Arieh O'Sullivan, the Post reporter who made the newspaper's transcript, said the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces. He said he assumed those blank spaces occurred while Israeli pilots were conducting their strafing runs and had nothing to communicate.

      'But sir, it's an American ship!'

      Forslund, Gotcher and Block are not alone in claiming to have read transcripts of the attack that they said left no doubt the Israelis knew they were attempting to sink a U.S. Navy ship.

      Many ears were tuned to the battles being fought in and around the Sinai during the Six-Day War, including those belonging to other Arab nations with a keen interest in the outcome.

      "I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day," said a retired CIA officer, who spoke on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant.

      "He thought history would change its course," the CIA officer recalled. "Israel attacking the U.S. He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate."

      The late Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon during the Six-Day War, told friends and family members that he had been shown English-language transcripts of Israeli pilots talking to their controllers.

      A close friend, William Chandler, the former head of the Trans-Arabian Pipe Line Co., said Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, "But sir, it's an American ship - I can see the flag!' To which the ground control responded, 'Never mind; hit it!'"

      Porter, who asked that his recollections not be made public while he was alive because they involved classified information, also discussed the transcripts during a lunch in 2000 at the Cosmos Club in Washington with another retired American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar.

      Kilgore recalled Porter saying that he "saw the telex, read it, and passed it right back" to the embassy official who had shown it to him. He quoted Porter as recalling that the transcript showed "Israel was attacking, and they know it's an American ship."

      Haviland Smith, a young CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, said that although he never saw the transcript, he had "heard on a number of occasions exactly the story that you just told me about what that transcript contained."

      He had later been told, Smith recalled, "that ultimately all of the transcripts were deep-sixed. I was told that they were deep-sixed because the administration did not wish to embarrass the Israelis."

      Perhaps the most persuasive suggestion that such transcripts existed comes from the Israelis themselves, in a pair of diplomatic cables sent by the Israeli ambassador in Washington, Avraham Harman, to Foreign Minister Abba Eban in Tel Aviv.

      Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named "Hamlet" was reporting that the Americans had "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

      Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was "very angry," and that "the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."

      According to a memoir by then-CIA director Richard Helms, President Johnson's personal anger was manifest when he discovered the story of the Liberty attack on an inside page of the next day's New York Times. Johnson barked that "it should have been on the front page!"

      Israeli historian Tom Segev, who mentioned the cables in his recent book "1967," said other cables showed that Harman's source for the second cable was Arthur Goldberg, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

      The cables, which have been declassified by the Israelis, were obtained from the Israeli State Archive and translated from Hebrew by the Tribune.

      Oliver Kirby, the NSA's deputy director for operations at the time of the Liberty attack, confirmed the existence of NSA transcripts.

      Asked whether he had personally read such transcripts, Kirby replied, "I sure did. I certainly did."

      "They said, 'We've got him in the zero,'" Kirby recalled, "whatever that meant - I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, 'Can you see the flag?' They said 'Yes, it's U.S, it's U.S.' They said it several times, so there wasn't any doubt in anybody's mind that they knew it."

      Kirby, now 86 and retired in Texas, said the transcripts were "something that's bothered me all my life. I'm willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that we knew they knew."

      One set of transcripts apparently survived in the archives of the U.S. Army's intelligence school, then located at Ft. Holabird in Maryland.

      W. Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel who spent eight years as chief of Middle East intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency, said the transcripts were used as "course material" in an advanced class for intelligence officers on the clandestine interception of voice transmissions.

      "The flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship that he had been briefed on and that it was clearly marked with the U.S. flag," Lang recalled in an e-mail.

      "The flight commander was reluctant," Lang said in a subsequent interview. "That was very clear. He didn't want to do this. He asked them a couple of times, 'Do you really want me to do this?' I've remembered it ever since. It was very striking. I've been harboring this memory for all these years."

      Key NSA tapes said missing

      Asked whether the NSA had in fact intercepted the communications of the Israeli pilots who were attacking the Liberty, Kirby, the retired senior NSA official, replied, "We sure did."

      On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.

      Indeed, the declassified documents state that no recordings of the "actual attack" exist, raising questions about the source of the transcripts recalled by Forslund, Gotcher, Block, Porter, Lang and Kirby.

      The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack - Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

      Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

      But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

      "I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

      At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."

      Prostinak acknowledged that his Hebrew was not good enough to understand every word being said, but that after the mention of the American flag "the attack did continue. We copied [recorded] it until we got completely out of range. We got a great deal of it."

      Charles Tiffany, the plane's navigator, remembers hearing Prostinak on the plane's intercom system, shouting, "I got something crazy on UHF," the radio frequency band used by the Israeli Air Force.

      "I'll never forget it to this day," said Tiffany, now a retired Florida lawyer. He also remembers hearing the plane's pilot ordering the NSA linguists to "start taping everything."

      Prostinak said he and the others aboard the plane had been unaware of the Liberty's presence 15,000 feet below, but had concluded that the Israelis' target must be an American ship. "We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said.

      After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

      One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

      That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

      As soon as the EC-121 landed at its base in Athens, Prostinak said, all the tapes were rushed to an NSA facility at the Athens airport where Hebrew translators were standing by.

      "We told them what we had, and they immediately took the tapes and went to work," recalled Prostinak, who after leaving the Navy became chief of police and then town administrator for the village of Lake Waccamaw, N.C.

      Another linguist aboard the EC-121, who spoke on condition that he not be named, said he believed there had been as many as "five or six" tapes recording the attack on the Liberty or its aftermath.

      Andrea Martino, the NSA's senior media adviser, did not respond to a question about the apparent conflict between the agency's assertion that there were no recordings of the Israeli attack and the recollections of those interviewed for this article.

      U.S. inquiry widely criticized

      Rather than investigating how and why a U.S. Navy vessel had been attacked by an ally, the Navy seemed interested in asking as few questions as possible and answering them in record time.

      Even while the Liberty was still limping toward a dry dock in Malta, the Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry. Adm. John McCain Jr., the commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe and father of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chose Adm. Isaac Kidd Jr. to preside.

      The court's charge was narrow: to determine whether any shortcomings on the part of the Liberty's crew had contributed to the injuries and deaths that resulted from the attack. McCain gave Kidd's investigators a week to complete the job.

      "That was a shock," recalled retired Navy Capt. Ward Boston, the inquiry's counsel, who said he and Kidd had estimated that a thorough inquiry would take six months.

      "Everyone was kind of stunned that it was handled so quickly and without much hullabaloo," said G. Patrick March, then a member of McCain's staff in London.

      Largely because of time constraints, Boston said, the investigators were unable to question many of the survivors, or to visit Israel and interview any Israelis involved in the attack.

      Rear Adm. Merlin Staring, the Navy's former judge advocate general, was asked to assess the American inquiry's report before it was sent to Washington. But Staring said it was taken from him when he began to question some aspects of the report. He describes it now as "a hasty, superficial, incomplete and totally inadequate inquiry."

      Staring, who is among those calling for a full congressional investigation on behalf of the Liberty's survivors, observed in an interview that the inquiry report contained several "findings of fact" unsupported by testimony or evidence.

      One such finding ignored the testimony of several inquiry witnesses that the American flag was flying during the attack, and held that the "available evidence combines to indicate the attack on LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken identity."

      There are also apparent omissions in the inquiry's report. It does not include, for example, the testimony of a young lieutenant, Lloyd Painter, who was serving as officer of the deck when the attack began. Painter said he testified that an Israeli torpedo boat "methodically machine-gunned one of our life rafts" that had been put over the side by crewmen preparing to abandon ship.

      Painter, who spent 32 years as a Secret Service agent after leaving the Navy, charged that his testimony about the life rafts was purposely omitted.

      Ward Boston recalled that, after McCain's one-week deadline expired, Kidd took the record compiled by the inquiry "and flew back to Washington, and I went back to Naples," the headquarters of the 6th Fleet.

      "Two weeks later, he comes back to Naples and calls me from his office," Boston recalled in an interview. "In that deep voice, he said, 'Ward, they aren't interested in the facts. It's a political issue and we have to put a lid on it. We've been ordered to shut up.'

      "It's time for the truth to come out," declared Boston, who is now 84. "There have been so many cover-ups."

      "Someday the truth of this will come out," said Dennis Eikleberry, a NSA technician aboard the Liberty. "Someday it will, but we'll all be gone."

      James Ennes, now 74, who was officer of the deck just before the attack began, and later spent two months in a body cast, is one of the more vocal survivors. Like the others, Ennes is tired of waiting.

      "We want both sides to stop lying," he said.

      November 1, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
    • Dude

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      November 2, 2011 at 2:30 am | Reply
  35. lance

    The following is a partial list of individuals and groups supporting the position that the attack was deliberate
    This is the group that Israeli supporter Ahron Jay Cristol calls "conspiracy theorists"

    • "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
    - US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

    • "Accidents don't occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. My judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation."
    - US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Recorded interview,

    • "...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
    - CIA Director Richard Helms in his book A Look Over my Shoulder

    • "It was no accident."
    - CIA Director Richard Helms in interview for Navy Times, 6/26/2002. Asked to say more, Helms remarked that he did not want to spend the rest of his life testifying in court about the attack.

    • "To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that the Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway, either through confusion in Command and Control or through deliberate disregard of instructions on the part of subordinates."
    - CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor

    • That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
    - Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings

    • Former NSA/CIA Director Admiral Bobby Inman "flatly rejected" the Cristol/Israeli claims that the attack was an accident
    - 5 March 2003 interview for Naval Institute Proceedings

    • "I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American."
    - Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff writing for Americans for Middle East Understanding, June 8, 1997

    • "To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."
    - Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in The Washington Post, June 15, 1991, p. 14

    • "To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway."
    - Admiral Rufus Taylor, Deputy CIA director, as quoted by CIA director Admiral Rufus Taylor in A Look Over My Shoulder.

    • Of four former NSA/CIA seniors with inside knowledge, none was aware of any agency official who dissented from the position that the attack was deliberate
    - David Walsh, writing in Naval Institute Proceedings

    • "That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
    - Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson

    • "Inconceivable that it was an accident � 3 strafing passes, 3 torpedo boats. Set forth facts. Punish Israelis responsible"
    - Clark Clifford, Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, in Minutes of NSC Special Committee Meeting, 9 June 1967

    • "A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."
    - Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack. Dr. Tordella expressed the view that the attack was deliberate and that the Israeli government attempted to cover it up to authors James Ennes and James Bamford and to Congressman George Mahon (D-Texas), and in an internal memorandum for the record. He noted "a nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept (redacted)" in the margin of the official Israeli excuse for the attack as noted in the NSA Gerhard report 1982)

    • "The attack was clearly deliberate."
    - General Marshall Carter, former director, National Security Agency, in a telephone interview with James Ennes

    • "The attack was deliberate"
    - Lucius Battle, former presidential advisor, as keynote speaker for 1982 USS Liberty reunion.

    • "My immediate reaction was it was not an accident. It had to be a deliberate attack."
    - Lucius Battle, in BBC Documentary "Dead in the Water".

    • "....did not buy the Israeli 'mistake' explanations either. Nobody believes that explanation." When informed by author Bamford of gruesome war crime (killing of large numbers of POWs) at nearby El Arish, Morrison saw the connection. "That would be enough," he said. "They wouldn't want us in on that. You've got the motive. What a hell of a thing to do."
    - Major General John Morrison, US Air Force, Deputy Chief NSA Operations during the attack and later Chief of NSA Operations as reported in Body of Secrets by James Bamford, p233.

    • "I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that they knew they were attacking an American ship."
    - Oliver Kirby, former deputy director for operations/production, National Security Agency. Kirby participated in NSA's investigation of the attack and reviewed translations of intercepted communications between pilots and their headquarters which he reports show conclusively that they knew their target was an American ship. Kirby is considered the "Godfather" of the USS Liberty and USS Pueblo intercept programs. (Telephone interviews with James Ennes and David Walsh for Friendless Fire, Proceedings, June 2003)

    • On the strength of intercept transcripts of pilots' conversations during the attack, the question of the attack's deliberateness "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the agency.
    - Lieutenant General William E. Odom, former director, National Security Agency, interview with David Walsh on March 3, 2003, reported in Naval Institute Proceedings, June, 2003

    • Inman said he "flatly rejected" the Cristol thesis that the attack was an accident. "It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [USS Liberty] was not correctly identified" based on his talks with NSA seniors at the time having direct knowledge of intercepted communications. No NSA official could be found who dissented from the "deliberate" conclusion.
    - Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN, Director National Security Agency 1977-1981, reported in Proceedings, June, 2003

    • "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units. I still find it impossible to believe that it was."
    - Paul C. Warnke, Undersecretary of the Navy and later general legal counsel to the Department of Defense.

    • "In many years, I have wanted to believe that the attack on the Liberty was pure error. It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity. . . . I think it is about time that the State of Israel and the United States government provide the crew members of the Liberty, and the rest of the American people, the facts of what happened and why it came about that the Liberty was attacked 30 years ago today." Later, McGonagle remarked, "USS Liberty is the only US Navy ship attacked by a foreign nation, involving large loss of life...that has never been accorded a full Congressional hearing."
    - Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty, speaking at Arlington National Cemetery June 8, 1997.

    • "The Israelis told us 24 hours before that ...if we didn't move it, they would sink it. Unfortunately, the ship was not moved, and by the time the message arrived the ship was taking on water."
    - John Stenbit, Assistant Secretary of Defense for C3Im in an address to the AFEI/NDAI Conference for Net Centric Operations, Wednesday, April 16, 2003

    • State Department Legal Advisor and author of highly critical detailed analysis of the Israeli excuse in telephone interview from his home in France, Mr. Salans described the attack as deliberate.
    - Legal Advisor Carl Salans

    • Walter Deeley, NSA department head, conducted still-classified investigation of the attack and remarked later in telephone interview that he regards the attack as deliberate.
    - NSA Department Head Walter Deeley

    • "The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."
    - Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31

    • Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
    - Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor

    • "The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack...was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.... It was our shared belief. . .that the attack. . .could not possibly have been an accident.... I am certain that the Israeli pilots [and] their superiors. . .were well aware that the ship was American."
    - Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy (retired), senior legal counsel to the US Navy Court of Inquiry

    • According to Kidd's legal counsel, Captain Ward Boston, USN, Kidd discussed with him his belief that the attackers were aware they were attacking an American ship. The Court ruled otherwise because they were so directed by Washington.
    - Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, President of the Navy Court of Inquiry, as reported in Navy Times, 6/26/2002

    • "I feel the Israelis knew what they were doing. They knew they were shooting at a U.S. Navy ship."
    - Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry, as reported in . Navy Times, 6/26/2002

    • "No one in the White House believed that the attack was an accident."
    - George Christian, Press Secretary to President Lyndon Johnson in letter to James Ennes, 1978.

    • After reviewing the Court of Inquiry in his official capacity as legal counsel to the convening authority, concluded that the evidence did not support the findings that the attack was an accident and declined to recommend that his Commander sign and forward it to Washington.
    - Rear Admiral (then captain) Merlin Staring, Staff Legal Office for Commander in Chief US Naval Forces Europe and later Chief Judge Advocate General of the Navy. Statement to Navy Times, 3 June 2002 and elsewhere

    • "This book [Assault on the Liberty] gives convincing evidence that the attack was deliberate and that the facts, including the Navy's bungling before and during the attack, were covered up."
    - United States Senator Adlai E. Stevenson III as reported in Congressional Record - Senate S13136 September 23, 1980. Senator Stevenson later announced his interest in holding Congressional hearings on the attack. He pointed out that the survivors have been consistent in their accounts of what happened and that the attack was, in his word, "premeditated." Also reported by William J. Small, United Press International, September 28, 1980.

    • "The Congress never investigated this matter, and I don't detect much enthusiasm for getting into it now."
    - Senator Adlai Stevenson III in letter to James Ennes dated September 9, 1980

    • "From what I have read, I can't tolerate for one minute that this was an accident! ... What have we done about the Liberty? Have we become so placid, so far as Israel is concerned or so far as that area is concerned, that we will take the killing of 37 (sic) American boys and the wounding of a lot more and the attack on an American ship in the open sea in good weather? We have seemed to say: 'Oh, well, boys will be boys.' What are you going to do about it? It is most offensive to me!
    - Senator Bourke Hickenlooper; From transcript of July 1967 Senate Foreign Relations Hearing on Foreign Assistance Act of 1967.

    • "I have read the Navy investigation of the Liberty, and the evidence adduced there, and I have read the Israeli court of inquiry records, and based upon their own records of the investigation, I cannot agree that it was accidental."
    - Senator Bourke Hickenlooper; From transcript of May, 1968, Senate Foreign Relations Hearing on Foreign Assistance Act of 1968, page 444.

    • "American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens. . . . The Liberty's presence and function were well known to Israel's leaders. ...Israel's leaders concluded that nothing they might do would offend the Americans to the point of reprisal. If American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of American citizens, it seemed clear that their American friends would let them get away with almost anything.
    - George Ball, under secretary of state at the time writing in The Passionate Attachment: America's Involvement with Israel, pages 57-58.

    • "I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."
    - David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time

    • "FBI officials counter that 'friendly' spying can be as damaging as spying for enemies, they note, as in 1967 when Israeli jets deliberately attacked the electronic intelligence-gathering ship USS Liberty...."
    - FBI Officials reported in Washington Times, November 26, 1998

    • "How much better if Congress to account those who were involved in spreading lies about the tragedy."
    - James Akins, former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia James Akins in Special Report, The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967, The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, December, 1999

    • "The attack was deliberate and not an accident."
    - Victor Ostrovsky, author and former Mossad officer, in telephone conversations with former Congressman Pete McCloskey October 10, 1991, and with and several conversations with James Ennes.

    • "It's an American ship!" the pilot of an Israeli Mirage fighter-bomber radioed Tel Aviv as he sighted the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967. Israeli headquarters ordered the pilot to attack the American ship.
    - former US Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter describing transcripts of communications he saw, reported in syndicated column "Remembering the Liberty" by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, November 6, 1991.

    • "The historical event which took place in June 1967 can hardly be called enigmatic and mysterious. ...It is difficult to understand that the Israelis could not identity the USS Liberty, since the ship had a unique antenna and equipment and especially since the Israelis had identified the ship with long term observation."
    - Translated from a taped interview with Sergeev Oleg Korneevitch, retired Colonel, Soviet GRU.

    • "The government of Israel intentionally attacked the ship. ...The attack was not legally justified. ...(there were) two further violations of international law...the use of unmarked military aircraft (and)...the wanton destruction of life rafts."
    - Walter L. Jacobsen, Lieutenant Commander, US Navy, in Naval Law Review, Vol 36, Winter 1986

    • "The attack was not an accident."
    - Stephen Green, author. Antelope Valley Press, April 5, 1984

    • "Certain facts are clear. The attack was no accident. The Liberty was assaulted in broad daylight by Israeli forces who knew the ship's identity. ...The public, however, was kept in the dark. Even before the American public learned of the attack, U.S. government officials began to promote an account satisfactory to Israel. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee worked through Congressmen to keep the story under control. The President of the United States, Lyndon B. Johnson, ordered and led a cover-up so thorough that years after he left office the episode is still largely unknown...."
    - Paul Findley, author and former Member of Congress 1961-1983 in They Dare to Speak Out, by Paul Findley, 1985, page 166

    • "Is the Liberty episode being erased from history. So it would seem...What has happened to our prying journalistic corps and our editors, normally so indignant of attempted suppression of the news?...We believe that a joint select committee of Congress should investigate the strange case of the USS Liberty..."
    - William F. Buckley, journalist and publisher, National Review, June 27, 1967

    • (In a review of "Six Days of War" by Michael Oren.) "Oren...frequently descends to vulgar propaganda. Deeming the Israeli combined air and naval assault on the USS Liberty accident,' Oren rehashes official Israeli tales and embellishes them with his own whoppers."
    - Norman Finkelstein, PhD, author, professor of political science, DePaul University, writing in Journal of Palestine Studies, Spring, 2003, p85

    • "The attack on the USS Liberty was planned and there is and was a cover-up." "If the very valuable lessons of the Liberty were known, the capture of the USS Pueblo could not have happened."
    - Lloyd M. "Pete" Bucher, US Navy, Commanding Officer USS Pueblo when captured by North Korea in January 1968, in telephone conversations with James Ennes and on September 6, 2002, with Richard Schmucker.

    • "Nearly everyone who is not affiliated with Israel...and who has seriously looked into the attack believes that it was deliberate. ...The bare facts of the attack rule out any other conclusion."
    - Donald Neff, author, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, August, 2002, p29

    • Ralph Hoppe, Colonel, US Army, retired, reports that dozens of intelligence reports soon after the attack described the attack as deliberate including a "consensus report" which summarized the collective view of the US intelligence community. Soon orders came from Washington to collect and destroy all such reports. Nothing more in official channels described the attack as deliberate.
    - Aerotech News and Review, March 2, 2001, by John Borne, PhD, and conversations with James Ennes

    • "It is clear that the Israelis knew that they were attacking a vessel of the US Navy, especially as it was flying a large Stars and Stripes at the time. The fact that they spent six hours reconnoitering and executing the attack, which included machine-gunning the lifeboats, attests to the deadly intent of the operation.
    - Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, the Inside Story of the US-Israeli Covert Relationship, by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, p152.

    • "A. Jay Cristol's virtual minority of one assessment is not supported by the detailed non-technical common sense evidence to the contrary in Body of Secrets (by James Bamford). "There is nothing surprising in Bamford's conclusion that the attack was deliberate. Liberty survivors have made that case convincingly for years."
    - Professor Hayden Peake, author, former CIA officer and member, Association of Former Intelligence Officers, The Intelligencer, Vol. 12, No.1, Summer 2001

    • Book reviews transcripts of communications during the attack which establish that the attack was deliberate.
    - Israel's Wars, 1947-1993, by Ahron Bregman

    • Survivors of the attack are unanimous in their conviction that the attack was deliberate. Among other things, their belief is based upon the intense pre-attack reconnaissance, the fact that the firing continued from close range long after the attackers examined the ship and its markings from a few feet away, and because the Israeli version of events as reported to the United States is grossly untrue.
    - USS Liberty survivors

    • Several Air Force intelligence analysts who have come forward to report that they saw real-time transcripts of communications from the attacking forces which show clearly that they were aware they were attacking an American ship. Others who saw these transcripts include Dwight Porter and Oliver Kirby, mentioned above, and several top officials of the American intelligence community.
    - Former US Air Force intelligence analysts Ron Gotcher, Steve Forslund, Richard Block and pilot Charles Tiffany

    • Published doctoral thesis establishes that the attack was deliberate.
    - John Borne, PhD, adjunct professor of history, NY University.

    • Rejects the US Navy Court of Inquiry as inadequate, declares that the attack was apparently deliberate, and calls upon the United States to conduct a complete and thorough investigation.
    - Resolution #508 of the American Legion at its 49th annual national convention in August, 1967

    • "The [Navy Court of Inquiry] leaves a good many questions unanswered."
    - The New York Times, July 1, 1967

    • "The naval inquiry is not good enough."
    - The Washington Post, June 30, 1967

    • "They must have known...that Liberty was an American ship."
    - The Washington Star, June 30, 1967

    • "The action was planned in advance"
    - Drew Pearson and Jack Anderson in The Washington Post, June 30, 1967

    • "Only the blind or the trigger happy could have made such a mistake"
    - The National Observer

    • "The attack was deliberate. Those responsible should be court-martialed on charges of murder."
    - California Congressman Craig Hosmer in the Congressional Record–House, June 29, 1967, p. 17893

    • "How can this be treated so lightly? What complaint have we registered?
    - Mississippi Congressman Thomas G. Abernethy in the Congressional Record–House, June 29m, 1967, pp. 17894-5

    • "Certain facts are clear. The attack was no accident. The Liberty was assaulted in broad daylight by Israeli forces who knew the ship's identity. ...The President of the United States led a cover-up so thorough that years after he left office, the episode was still largely unknown to the public - and the men who suffered and died have gone largely unhonored."
    - Paul Findley, They Dare to Speak Out, Lawrence Hill & Co., 1985, p166

    • "Nearly as bizarre as the attack itself was the reaction of the American government to the incident. A foreign nation had butchered American servicemen, sending thirty-four to their graves... A virtually unarmed American naval ship in international waters was shot at, strafed with rockets, torpedoed, set on fire...then left to sink as crazed gunners shot up the life rafts. The foreign nation then says, sorry about that, and offers an explanation so outrageous that it is insulting, and the American government accepts it, sweeps the whole affair under a rug, then classifies as top secret nearly all details concerning it."
    - James Bamford, author, "The Puzzle Palace"

    • The story has been hushed up."
    - Louisiana Congressman John R. Rarick in the Congressional Record–House, September 19, 1967, pp. 12170-6

    November 1, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Reply
    • Cove

      Aren;t you an intelligent one, going and using copy and paste.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
    • dom

      and not a single person read a single full sentence of that

      November 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Reply
  36. pat

    The United States is a great bull with a ring through it's nose, with Isreal pulling the ring.

    November 1, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • lance

      well said.....say no to Israel-Fisrters like Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen who have corrupted America's body politic for far too long! End the USA Congress from being Israeli occupied territory as Pat Buchanan said...time to turf out the AIPAC Al sell-outs in the next Congressional elections, and its time to honour the memories of the American survivors of the mudererous attack by Israel on the unarmed American ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters (where 24 Americans were slaughtered including in life rafts on the water which were strafed and hundreds of other Americans injured).
      I encourage fellow Americans to link the official USS Liberty website to your Facebook, LinkedIn or other pages. Honour the memories of the survivrs of Israel's attack on the USS Liberty even if members of Congress show more loyalty to Israel than to their American constituents because we can all make change happen!!!

      November 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Reply
      • Bob

        Say no to those that claim that supporting Israel is somehow putting Israel's interests ahead of America. Israel is a democracy in the Middle East that is surrounded by countries that wish to destroy her. Supporing Israel is in America's interest.

        November 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
  37. jason

    @ Pistoya.
    You sound like a real treat.
    I'm not a Muslim,but the saying in your Platoon to,a good Muslim is a dead one is so ignorant.
    I think your Platoon should take the gun away from you and hand you a book to read,i can tell by your comment that your not very bright.
    There's a billion Muslim in the world and you think killing all of them will solve everything?
    There's so much hate in the world cuz of pp like you.
    i wish you find inner peace 1 day.

    November 1, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  38. lance

    Americans should demand that Israel-Firster politicians like Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and other American politicians initiate an effort to get on the record the actual testimony of eyewitnesses and survivors to Israel's murderous attack on the USS Liberty where Israel murdered 34 unarmed young American sailors and injured hundreds more in international waters (including strafing survivors in life rafts), as the official web site of the survivors shows, and which you can google for yourself:
    For forty plus years, the USS Liberty incident has remained the only imilitary attack where USS military personnel were attacked by a foreign power, namely, Israel, and where the testimony under oath of the survivors/victims has never been taken by Congress , and where there have been efforts made to whitewash and attack even the survivors of the murderous Israeli attack on USS Liberty, for demanding justice: for there fallen comrades.
    I also encourage Americans but especially veterans to demand that their representatives in Congress initiate such an inquiry and, at the same time, seek to have a monument erected, or a park, bridge or street named after the USS Liberty in your own communities/city in order to honor the memories of your unarmed brothers in arms (which have been dishonoured by the sell-out AIPAC Israel-First politicians from both the Republican and Democratic parties who have yet to hear under oath, the testimopnies of eye-witnessed to Israel's murderous attack on the USS Liberty).
    Again you can google this information up for yourself.
    Additionally, feel free to link the official website of survivors of the USS Liberty to your own Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn or other such page in order to raise awareness of how Israel murdered innocent unarmed Americans on the USS Liberty and in order to honour the memories of these brave souls.
    Veterans, it’s time to see justice done in a way that puts America, and not Israel-Firster's "PRECIOUS Israel" (said like Golem in the Lord of the Rings) first!!!!
    Enough is enough of “PRECIOUS” and its followers manipulating and corrupting America’s body

    November 1, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Reply
  39. Tim

    Hard to feel sorry for the folks that lob mortars at a civilian population without care as to where they land. Israel just gave back ~1000 prisoners for 1 – I would say that is a pretty good show of faith.

    November 1, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Reply

      Well said!

      November 1, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Reply
    • AJ

      You saying that really just shows that you don't understand the situation there fully. The 1000 to 1 exchange, while it looks like an uneven deal, is actually quite appropriate compared to the amount of Palestinian prisoners Israel has compared to the Israeli prisoners Palestine has. Israel has their army and that army controls the roads around Palestine, where (or if) Palestinians can go (and when they can come back), what they can do... and who they arrest. The Palestinian army is really only there for one thing- to fight back. And they don't have the funding the Israeli army does.

      Israel is in no way hurting. They receive millions of US dollars each year to pay for whatever they want (except the settlements, which the US formally denounces, but won't do anything about). They even get their money with special conditions that no other country gets – they're allowed to receive the full balance of the money at the beginning of the year and accrue interest on it. Other countries have to wait month by month. Plus they buy weapons from the US. So in exchange for that, the US buys into Israel's talking points and condemn Palestine as terrorists; all while saying that they support both countries rights to exist. Which they do... so long as it's at the expense of the Palestinians and not the Israelis.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
  40. Z

    CUT ALL FOREIGN FUNDING IMMEDIATELY !!! If anyone in the world needs help from the U.S., its going to cost you! Oh... Your neighbor wants to kill you and take your land, but you can't defend yourself??? No problem, We can help you destroy your neighbor... But's its going to cost you!!!

    November 1, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Reply
  41. lance

    Bravo to UNESCO for recognizing Palestine...who cares about the pipsqueak $80 million dollars that the USA gives to to's time for Americans to stop the tens of billions of dollars in aid that parsitic Israel gets year after year and which has gone on for fifty plus years without a peep from the Congressional Budget Office and sell-out AIPAC Al politicians from both the Republican and Democratic parties and which now amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars (google to find out the extent to which Israel leeches parasitically off of the tax dollars of hardworking Americans to get a better idea of the parsitic welfare state that Israel has become on We, the American Taxpayer, thanks to the sellout by Israel-Firster politicians from the Democratic and Republican parties like Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen):

    November 1, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Reply
    • jb

      Palestine has never been a country. It's a bunch of people that live to hate Israel. That's why they will never be a real country.

      November 1, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
      • ed

        jb palestine always go back and take jeo 101

        November 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
      • Steve

        Jesus lived in a country called Palestine.

        November 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
      • bigdakine

        Jesus lived in a country called Judea. Learn some actual history dummy. The ROmans renamed Judea Palestine after the failed Bar Kochba revolt of 142AD.

        November 1, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
  42. Zack E

    Ohh please, when something is right it's right. The whole World could all be saying the sun rises in the West, and they could vote at an International organization like UNESCO, and make it be known that they believe the sun rises in the West, does that make it true or right? There's only one way out of the Israel/Palestine quagmire and that is negotiations they can join every club and organization that will take them but it won't magically turn them into a state. However it will suck to be the rest of the World when WHO gets its funding stripped too, but then there are consequence's to every action.

    November 1, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Reply
    • lance

      Palestinians have been under occupation for fifty plus years and it is time for them to live in freedom from Israel’s occupation just like it is time for Americans to help the Palestinians get their freedom. Just like George Washington and the American revolutionaries fought for the freedom of Americans and to end the british occupation of our lands, it is time for Americans to recognize that Palestinians have the right to resist Israel’s occupation just like George Washington and the Revolutionaries resisted the British. It is also time to take take back Congress and stop accepting that it must be Israeli occupied territory (as Pat Buchanan called it), for perpetuity due to the betrayals of Israel-Firster representatives like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. These AIPAC Als simply want to make the United States of America into the United States of Israel and make this great country a lapdog of “PRECIOUS” (said once more like Golem in the Lord of the Rings)!!!!

      November 1, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
      • MYCA VYKOS

        Wow, your ignorance is maddening. There has NEVER been a nation of Palestine! Never! They aren't being occupied – period! They are Arabs without a nation, and would be welcome in Syria or Egypt. But your support of a terrorist organization is laughable, at best. Hey, fly to Gaza, get off the plane, and offer your support; I bet the Palestinians will let you support them by cutting your head off on video for the rest of us to watch! Long live Palestine! Really!?! You, my foolish sheeple, are delusional and misinformed, to say the least.

        November 1, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • pat

        The Arabs' hatred toward america begins with the U.S. blind support of Isreal.

        November 1, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
      • cwhero1863

        Jewish people have lived everywhere in that region EVEN throughout the invasions of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, Romans, and Alexander the Great of Macedonia. After these numerous invasions, the Jewish people had been scattered and lived in tenacious communities of the Diaspora. The region continued to experience war and invasions by Christians, Arabs, then Christian Crusaders, eventually Muslims ruled the region. No matter what the region is called or renamed, and regardless of the current mandates, past invasions, and history of the region, the fact is Jewish people have lived and suffered in the entire region for CENTURIES! I'm just stating historical facts, not taking sides or displaying hate like some are on this blog....
        thanks for reading...
        cwhero †

        November 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • lance

      Uhhhh Einstein, glad that you find my so-called ignorance so annoying that you can simply froth away without being able to do anything else.
      Just for the record, as a fellow Jew but a Jewish person of conscience, let me simply point out that there had never been a nation called the United States of America until Americans made it so just like the Palestinians will now make a Palestine. There had never been a France until French people made it so. There had never been an India until the people of India made it so, and so on....Now don't you jest love that UNESCO has now recognized Palestine and that International Court of Justice in the Hague will also soon have a new member (who can demand justice for all the millions of Palestine victims of Israel"s immoral and inhumane occupation no matter how you deny the Palestinians existence), heh,heh,heh....welcome to the real world and Shalom!!!

      November 1, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Reply
      • Cove

        I don;t think I ever saw Israel lob mortars or rockets for no reason.

        November 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
      • Stephanie

        Lance, you write too often and too much!

        November 1, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
      • Bob

        That's true. None of these nattions existed - or were recognized as nations - until they were created. And since the Palestinian mation has not yet been created, it cannot be legitanately recognized or admited to anything.

        November 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  43. Johnna

    A Palastinian nation is a joke! As with most middle east countries they are all living in the age of cavemen. They are barbaric and uneducated and that's the way their government wants it to be. These uncivilized masses can only be controlled by an IRON FIST as these people would sell their mothers down the river for a few cents. I say nuke em all now and be done with it. Also nuke Israel as well !!!!

    November 1, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Reply
    • moez

      your comments are racist, ignorant, and stupid. The region is changing rapidly as witnessed by the various revolutions going on. The US is unconditionally the tyrans and dictators you are talking about and letting Israel dom whatever it wants to do. Finally, Isreal now is an apartheid state where palestinians live in horrible conditions under the friedly watch of Uncle Sam. Go for a tour in Gaza and you'd ashamed to be American.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Reply
      • Mark

        Really....hmmm, let me think, Israel pulls out of Gaza, Gaza now run by a terrorist organization in which there is no occupation as many people like to say and hmmm, isn't Egypt on the other side of Gaza and even they had their border closed, can't imagine why!! Yup, you're comments make total sense...NOT!

        November 1, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
      • Citizen_76

        I have been to you go through a tour of our states on the southern border with mexico. I seen some place there that make Gaza look like disney....We don't protect Isreal...America protects the arabs. Isreal has enough weapons and defenses to fight Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arab, and Jordan all at one time. Plus the only reason we protect you arabs from Isreal is for the oil because if there wasn't oil the middle east would look like centeral Africa..lets get it straight

        November 1, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • Ulrike

      @Johanna,A" Palastinian nation is a joke...They are barbaric and uneducated" how refined, Johanna, you can't even spell Palestinian! hahah i wonder who is uneducated .

      November 1, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  44. Jahoo

    Most of the people in this country are sick and tired of supporting Israel unconditionally. They are making bad decisions and we Americans pay for it both in lives lost and money spent in foreign aid. This simply cannot go on. When President Obama speaks the truth about Israeli policy with the Palestinian state, he is critisized by all of congress. Why? "Because Israel is our greatest ally!!!" Give me a break. Israel doesn't do shit for the American people! We don't need Israel. They need us...Stop sending US troops to fight Israeli wars.

    November 1, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • Citizen_76

      Your looking at it all wrong..look at where US bases are..if we were protecting Isreal wouldn't we have troops in side ISREAL it's self...duhh....were protecting the Arabs from ISREAL...look at the map of US bases overseas..why can't anyone else see that..

      November 1, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • Bob

      How can we stop sending troops to fight Israeli wars when we have NEVER sent ANY troops to fight Israeli wars?

      November 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  45. James US

    Al qaeda, al shabbaab, hizbollah should now also be granted membership...why not, they are just as murderous terrorists as the "palestinians"...

    November 1, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Reply
    • WB

      hey, Israel is already a member, they are all one of a kind and they can have a party,....

      November 1, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
  46. Xibumba

    The big irony to me is that USA cannot accept the result of a democratic vote, even after killing millions around the world to impose it's democratic ideals.
    Pretty pathetic!

    November 1, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Reply
    • Alex

      "killing millions" you better stop drinking the cool aid

      November 1, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
      • Jahoo

        @Alex....Would it be better if he said billions? Because that's probably more realistic.

        November 1, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
      • WB

        WWII, Hiroshima, vietnam, iraq to name few....

        November 1, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
      • Conrad Shull

        I think they all meant to say, "gazillions".

        November 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
      • Xibumba

        Korea, Liibya, panama, Honduras, Chile, Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil, etc....
        And already planing to atack Iran, Syria, Yemen, etc

        November 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Jarrod

      Who say's we didn't accept the vote? We are merely using the power of democracy to oppose that vote...which is at the heart of democracy. I think you need to look up what Democracy means...

      November 1, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Reply
      • Gareth

        No, we've had a hissy fit because the democratic vote didn't go our way. But that's how we roll.

        November 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
      • Xibumba

        Definition of DEMOCRACY
        Government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

        I know what democracy is, I live in a democratic nation and it is not the USA.
        Maybe you should do some research.

        November 1, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
  47. Stewart Mills (Sydney, Australia)

    Thank you Elise, for posting this report.

    It is illuminating to see end result of a continuing the madness of US policy in isolating countries or institutions that support Palestinian statehood.

    There is a lot of good that comes from the United States. Sadly, one area the US has not shown its same commitment to democracy and justice is for the people of Palestine.

    In 1917 90% of Ottoman Palestine was not Jewish. Naturally this non-Jewish community resisted British rule 1917-1948. Naturally the non-Jewish community (Palestinian Arabs) resisted attempts by European Jews taking over Palestine in the war of 1948. Naturally Palestinians have resisted Israeli rule since 1967.

    Why does the US penalise the international community and the Palestinian people, when the real culprit (Israel) goes untouched? Israeli settlements continue unabated. Settlements are the death of the two state solution and make a mockery of international law. If the US continues to appease Israel there will be no two states. The time for action has nearly passed. Further delay will mean the US will have to scarp the two state solution and work towards a binational state of Israel and Palestine. If this is not want the US wants then they should pull Israel into account.

    November 1, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply
    • Xibumba

      USA gets paid to love.

      November 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm | Reply
  48. Mark

    Well, we have that law, and we have to obey our own laws or what good are we? Time to reconsider that one.

    But: $60,000,000 per quarter? I'm paying less than one measly dollar per year for UNESCO? Can I just send them a dollar and tell my representatives to cut my taxes by $1 that they're no longer spending?

    November 1, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Reply
  49. angryersmell

    When have American politicians ever let terrible, unintended consequences get in the way of a politically motivated decision?

    November 1, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Reply
    • Conrad Shull

      You're hoping.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Reply
  50. Kevin

    We save $60 million per quarter by not paying UNESCO. Hmmmm, since the UN has lost its relevence to the aims of a free world, I wonder how much we could save if we stopped payments to the rest of the organizations? I think its about time we collect the back rent from that nice building in New York and quit funding the agencies that are anti-freedom. I mean really, North Korea and Syria chairing anything in the world body doesn't really say much about the goals of the UN.

    November 1, 2011 at 11:41 am | Reply
    • RocketJL

      You got my vote. Reagan thought it was a good idea when he cut off funding to these folks. Too bad Bush started it up again.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:48 am | Reply
    • Steve (Ohio)

      Agreed. Thats money that should stay in the U.S.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:39 pm | Reply
    • WB

      While you are at it, stop paying Israel too the $5 billion per year. YES "B" as in Billion.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Reply
      • MYCA VYKOS

        Stop paying Israel? Lol! Maybe you'd rather we give it to the terroristic Palestinians, hmmm? Sir, or madame, you are unquestionably....a moron. The UN is a joke. And there never was a "nation of Palestine!" Never. When an American blows up feal in the name of God, we execute that person, but you would rather we "free" that person and carve out part of America for those oppressed murderers? Really! Stoopid sheeple! Here's an idea: move to Palestine occupied Israel...say Gaza, strap a bomb to your chest, and go enforce their "freedoms," then tell us how it went. Oh wait, you can't, because those "freedom fighters" would cut your infidel head off before you could even say: I'm a supporter, let me die for you! They'll let you die, alright, lol!

        November 1, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
      • Z

        WB... I would rather pay Israel $5 Billion than Pakistan 2 cents!!!

        November 1, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
      • lance

        There are tens of millions of Americans who are homeless or are facing foreclosures or who have lost their jobs,, there are tens of millions of American children living on food stamps, there are tens of thousands of schools, highways, brdges et al that need to be repaired in the US, and Israel-Firsters keep on demanding that WE, The American Taxpayer, continue to pay this parsitic leeching welfare state while needy Americans are desperate?.
        These AIPAC Als like Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen are ready to sell out the USA for their "PRECIOUS" Israel (said like Golem in the Lord of The Rings)!!!!
        Like most most American politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties who have simply become slaves of the American Israel Public Affairs Committtee (AIPAC), Ros-Lehtinen has her tongue slavishly buried so far up where the sun doesn't shine in the backside of AIPAC that she won't say squat about why Israel (who Israel-Firsters constantly claim is so economically great and advanced and such a success and blah blah blah....), continues to feed off the trough of America like some sort of leech for fifty plus years to a cost amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars ($5 billion plus per year), and still counting!!!.
        After all, if Israel is as successful as Israel-Firsters claim that it is, then it is is only reasonable to expect that it will be able to stand on its own instead of coming cap in hand like a street corner hobo demanding never-ending charity from Americans without any end in sight. After all, countries of comparable size to Israel like Sweden and Norway are all making it on their own without needing or asking for American aid.
        Logically, the tax dollars of hard-working Americans should be reserved for truly needy Americans or perhaps third world countries like Ethiopia, Angola, and so on and not a so-called successful nation like Israel is (as Israel-Firsters constantly claim Israel is!!!!).
        Ohhhh well, I guess Israel-Fisrters from AIPAC have so well corrupted America's body politic that Americans have only started to notice how Israel-Firster politicians like Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, betrays America and our values and that her actual allegiance is to Israel and not to America.

        November 1, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
      • WB

        @ Myca: the lunatic here is simply you. All what i am saying is stop wasting money on Israel. it is a waste. we might be getting OIL from the Middle East but we are only getting a headache from Israel. Do you think the Arabs would hate us if it was not for Israel occupying their land??????? Now take your stupidity somewhere else and don't interpret things i did not say.... Finally I invite to imagine a hypothetical situation where Israel does not exist? i think we would have more peace and way less people killed ...... just IMAGINE if you can....

        November 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • mojonaamdi

      and when the rest of the world isolate USofA what happens? When gasoline hits $10 gal what will you do? When the rest of the world Kicks out those American businesses and stops buying our products, what will you do? Suddenly your per capita income dips to less than $15K year and you can no longer afford a car or home, then what will you do?
      When you can no longer subsidize your farmers and prices for fruits and vegatables quadruples, what will you do? When the world turs off he US dollar in favor of the Euro and suddenly USofA becomes a 3rd world country, what will you do? Be careful what you ak for. That goes for Israel too. The longer they delay the peace, the more likely a 2 state solution becomes possible. That means you will have one state – Israel, with a majority Palestinian Arab population... hmmm, can you say apartheid anyone?

      November 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Reply
      • MYCA VYKOS

        Lol! What will we Americans do? Why that's simple: we would go after these terrorists and take their oil! By the way, other than oil, what does any Mideast country do for us? Nothing. Our exports to middle eastern countries are minimal to non-existent. And here's a shocker: the largest oil producing country isn't in the middle east! Russia produces more oil and natural gas than all middle eastern countries combined! We should be concentrating on being there friends!

        November 1, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
      • WB

        @ MYCA: you could not have said it better: "we will go and take their oil",,,, this is the problem you are entitling yourself to something that is not yours,.... how do you feel if someone came tot eh US and took 100 Boeing plane!!!!! this is the same thing, it is NOT yours, you can't take it. you do, you will have wars against you. Unbelievable stupid thinking....

        November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
  51. Jason L.

    Instead of cutting funding just for UNESCO, why not cut funding for ALL UN agencies?

    November 1, 2011 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • Bazoing


      November 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Reply
    • Pete from St Paul

      Seeing that America is the de facto police of the planet earth, having Head Quarters centered here makes sense. But of course, Republicans plans to eventually privatize every aspect of the USA means a United Nations serving as a governing body to bolster worldwide democracy is contradictory to these goals. So as the Koch ideology continues to successfully meanders its ways into the American psyche, this UN has to go so that Haliburton-Blackwater builds its capacity to be the world’s biggest private security force. Time to disband the costly tax payers US Armed Services; dissolve to national holidays, Veterans Day and Memorial Day; elect Herman Cain or Michelle Bachmann to be the truly first CEO of the country. The poetry of hyperbole runs amok, but in terms of the X-Files, the truth is in there.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
    • WB

      YES – Let us do it. Also, let us stop $5 BILLION in aid to Israel. let us for once work for peace......

      November 1, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  52. Derf

    We never should have been funding 1/5th of the program anyways. When the funding gets broken down we (American taxpayers) pay way more than our fair share, we need to get back to fiscal responsability and some tough choices have to be made. As far as I'm concerned this was an easy choice and let the Googles and Apples of the world fund their own property defenses...

    November 1, 2011 at 11:37 am | Reply
  53. R12

    some of these posts are so blatantly posted extremists on both sides trying to incite each other its pathetic. Pistoya, you need to watch some more american tv so you can learn how to sound more american or no one will ever believe that you are a "mad American" wanting to kill Muslims. Nice try though.

    November 1, 2011 at 11:27 am | Reply
  54. Philabias


    November 1, 2011 at 11:26 am | Reply
    • John Hancock

      Remember the saying "keep your Friends close, and your enemies closer", and understand

      November 1, 2011 at 11:41 am | Reply
    • TheMovieFan

      Turn your Caps Lock off. Having it on does not make your posting any more pertinent or important than anyone else's. As a matter of fact, when I see a posting in all caps, I don't read it. For all I know, I may actually agree with you but I just won't know that.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Reply
  55. Pharos

    Nice try. Who cares about prestige or influence? The Islamic voting block can stick it.
    The United States can easily use other methods to accomplish ALL their goals. That's right. The United States can do its thing without membership in a politically obnoxious organization, that gives terrorists a seat at the table as though they had earned it.
    Canada is about to bring down the hammer too. The free world can form its own new body to do the same things as the United Nations. Those nations that just gave us the finger? We will remember each and every one of them.

    November 1, 2011 at 11:08 am | Reply
    • You're An Idiot

      Amurika! Fuuuck Yea!

      November 1, 2011 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • WB

      and who will be in ur free world" US , Canada and Europe? they can make as many decisions as they want, but they can't interfere with other countries... can't you see that the UN is our way of interfering in every country's affair. teh UN is in our interest, so stop making such stupid comments.....

      November 1, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
      • MYCA VYKOS

        The UN is as worthless as the league of nations, foolish sheeple! It does NOTHING for America now that the Cold War is over. But, now that Russia is clearly moving back to its Soviet ways, maybe Russia will support the Palestinian terrorists against us....what will the UN do then? Send in negotiators, lol!?! Really? Do you even think before you type?

        November 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
      • WB

        @ Mycos: I am not sure what nationality you are. If American, then you are ignorant as none of the terrorists that attacked our country are Palestinians. If Israeli, just like you consider your IDF as heroes because they are defending you, the HAMAS people are heroes for their people (not myself of course). But as an American, I would go after the terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. israel problem is not mine, neither Iraq's or Syria or libya's.... We have enough problems of our own...

        November 2, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
  56. George

    This is ridiculous, obviously Israel never gives Palistine a fair playing field in negotiations so they want some type of solid international support. Congress is so "outraged" by this because there is such a big Israeli lobby which fund most their campaigns. Thats why we need a cap on campaign contributions so we can start looking out for American interests not Israels.

    November 1, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • J

      "obviously Israel never gives Palistine a fair playing field in negotiations " – George, you are ignorant and a bigot. A level playing field – what do you call trading 1 soldier for over 1000 palestinians (including several hundred known terrorists). Clearly Israel had the advantage in that negotiation (note the sarcasm). Think before you speak and the world will be a quieter place.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:57 am | Reply
      • Joseph

        So, you only remember what happened a few days ago as opposed to the history of events that occurred, the 1 for 1000 deal is quite odd for Israel to do, they never released that many people before, but as history serves 1000 Palestinians have always been the price for 1 Israeli (one way or the other).

        Regarding this deal, Most of the Palestinians held and that were supposed to be released were small fry that were either held for no reason, or for performing futile resistance to the Israelis, they didn't mean anything to the Israelis, the Israelis did not really lose anything from this deal, but they did gain some positive publicity, anyway the Israelis weaseled out on releasing the rest of the ~500 Palestinians by bombing Gaza again.

        Regarding fairness, Israel has a lot of nations, including the united states grabbed by the sacks, the Israelis get just about everything in their favor when they have connections, now you might argue with "The israelis get scolded by they UN, the U.S. or the EU for colonizing, or committing mass murder " but in the end, nothing happens, it gets forgotten, and we go along with our lives until something else happens. A leveled playing field is sloped to the Israeli's side.
        The world would be a much nicer place if people were unbiased towards sensitive topics.

        November 1, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
      • WB

        J, these prisoners were never brought to justice, they never went thru a trial, one can argue that they are resisting occupations according the 1967 borders. Israel was and still occupying some parts of Palestine and it is their right to liberate it. this right is given by the UN laws. Wouldn't you do the same if your country is occupied?????

        November 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
      • Mr. Objective

        If my country was occupied would I do the same? No, I would never kill babies and innocent 16 year old girls waiting to go to a disco. No, I would not lob bombs at schools and commuter busses.

        November 1, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
      • WB

        @ Mr. Objective: I wonder if your answer would be the same if your wife was killed in front of your eyes, your 12 year old son is amongst these prisoners, your house is bulldozed and you are prevented from going to your land to cultivate it!!!! Being objective is relative, nobody wakes up one day and say: what am i going to do today, it is sunny, let us go blow a Disco club!!!! if this is what you thinks happens, you need to understand the whole Palestinian – Israeli conflict. I am not agreeing with all the Palestinians have done, but sometimes, these measures are the only way they can defend themselves.....

        November 2, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  57. georgex

    Ironic is the fact our nation stands for democracy and yet wishes to contradict the democratic polling on this issue. All the other nations are skeptical of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians and the U.S. doesn't respect this vote.
    Also, with the population of 7 billion in the world we need to support UNESCO with the business of educating women about their rights and about family planning to prevent too many pregnancies.

    November 1, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • Kevin

      I think it is ironic that the Palestinians with a Hamas government demanding the elimination of Israel can't quit launching rockets into Israel or negotiate a lasting peace. Why can't they live in peace. Israel has been under the pressure of 40-50 rockets a day for thepast couple of weeks. Where is the outrage there my friend? BTW, there is a US law the prohibit monies from being transferred to organizations that support terrorist organizations. As Hamas is a terrorist organization, we cannot legally support the UNESCO agency because they now support a terrorist organization. The US unlocked money and gave it to Libya when they declared an end to the international terrorist ways a couple of years ago. Where is the Palestinian action? The world is waiting for peace and it will never come as long as people like you refuse to hold them accountable for their actions. If Mexico would launch rockets into the US, you would demand – DEMAND – action, so why be two-faced here?

      November 1, 2011 at 11:36 am | Reply
      • WB

        Israel launched an air strike BEFORE the rockets launching. get your facts straight

        November 1, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
      • WB

        Now, why the Palestinians would not accept the Peace offered by Israel is because what is offered is not viable for them: no air field control, no border control, no autonomy on anything. Would you accept this in whatever country you live in? of course not, so why would you request that the Palestinians do?
        Bottom line is that Israel as well as the Palestinians are not ready for Peace. you need a game changer that would force one to accept the conditions of the other: remember that Japan only accepted peace after defeat, so who will be defeated so the final settlement will be reached, is yet to be seen......

        November 1, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
  58. Pistoya

    These muslim terrorists and their sympathizers are going to rue the day they were born. We've got lots of missile, bomb factories and munitions manufacturers making something for You. Plus we have boots ready to deploy on the ground if You so much as p!ss the wrong way. We have a saying in our platoon. The only good muslim is a dead muslim. There is nothing I enjoyed more in Iraq then blowing off the heads of the rag heads who challenged us and lost. You motherf_ckers are dealing with the US of A son !!!!! The US of A !!!!! And dont You forget it !!!!!!

    November 1, 2011 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • You're a joke.

      So now you sit on the internet. oh yea and the US is running from Iraq because we're broke and you're an idiot. No one really cares that you went anywhere at the end of the day, you just did a shitty job with little pay so people can keep buying Ipods and ignoring dead soldiers. But please continue the chest thumping, I'm sure someone will pretend to care about you at some point.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:50 am | Reply
    • Bruce

      Interesting boasting for a country that lost the war in Iraq and is losing in Afghanistan.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:09 am | Reply
      • Julnor

        Seems like Saddam Hussein lost, not the US.

        November 1, 2011 at 11:25 am |
      • Kevin

        Losing? Check your numbers and tell me who lost. Let's see, turned an invading dictatorship into a democracy – not a failure, eliminated the republican guard – not a failure, fought off AQI and muzzled Al Sadr – not a failure, gave them their country back with a taste of freedom – not a failure. Afghanistan? Losing? Got rid of Usama – not a failure, identified the traitors in Pakistan that support AQ, not a failure – gave the people security for the first time ever and did it with the added bonus of running water, electricity and letting girls to school for the first time – not a failure. We leave when the mission is complete or when we feel the need for US troops is no longer necessary – we trained an entire military national police force in Iraq so we could leave. Check your facts first, so you don't look as silly as the guy above blathering about his Platoon dreams. The guy is a classic example of why parents should through their kids out of the house when they turn 18, or in his case, 46. Anyway, quit being so hard on the US, I doubt anyone else could have achieved so much. Russians couldn't......

        November 1, 2011 at 11:30 am |
      • AJ


        90% of the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't soldiers, but innocent civilians. That's men, woman, and children who were killed because the US decided that their neighbourhood made a good battle zone.

        I call that a failure.

        November 1, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • are u serious?

      dude are u serious?? come on what u just wrote is hilarious. How more narrow-minded and stupid could u be? bomb factories? those people didn't have FOOD and medication for years, u want them to have the resources to make bombs and weapons? how abt u wake up and see what is actually happening rather than blindly hating people, loser :/

      November 1, 2011 at 11:17 am | Reply
    • You're An Idiot

      Holy crap you're an idiot. Got your Confederate Flag on the back of your pickup truck while your sister gives you road head?

      November 1, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
      • Wade

        You are as idiotic as the people who hate all Muslims. Your confederate flag reference is as stereotypical of southerners as "Pistoya" is of Muslims. You cannot group millions of people together as if they are the same. I agree that Pistoya is an idiot and an embarrassment to our country, unfortunately, you are right there with him. We didn't attack Afghanistan because they were Muslim. We didn't attack Iraq because they were Muslim. We attacked because Afghanistan attacked us, and because Bush had a personal vendetta against Saddam. It's the stereotyping by American bigots of all Muslims as terrorists that allowed Bush to attack. If he needed to attack an actual threat, we would be in Iran. We are a nation of immigrants, even Pistoya's family...

        November 1, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • B-Man

      "Pistoya" is a city in Italy, a free commune somewhat known for infighting and mentioned in Dante's divine comedy as enemies of heaven. I smell a seriously scholarly troll playing with you people.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • MARCEI

      Pistoya, bro 🙂 nice !

      November 2, 2011 at 4:34 am | Reply
  59. Iglow

    Good riddance to bad rubbish! Please go, US. Please do the world a favour and be gone.
    I will be extremely grateful to not have to see any news on US in the near future. US makes me nauseas.

    November 1, 2011 at 6:30 am | Reply
    • Kevin

      Get your Hamas buddies to stop attacking Israel and your AQ friends to quit murdering people in the name of religion and then you probably won't here about the US in the news. All this happened because of your buddies killing 3000 on 911. Think back and realize that P. Bush would have been reading to school children and leading a very boring presidency if you hadn't attack the US. I think you WANTED to here about the US in the news for years otherwise you should have just left us alone.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:46 am | Reply
      • WB

        Kevin, if your country is occupied, would you quit defending it? so stop asking Hamas to quit attacking Israel and ask Israel to give the Palestinians a viable country....

        November 1, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
      • Nick

        Kevin, are you stupid as you sound. Israel started this mess back in 1948 when they invaded Palestine and started to murder innocent Palestinians for their homes and land. The Jews stripped the Palestinians from their rights and freedom. They have been living under military occupation for over 63 years. I wonder how you would handle it if you were under military occupation. You are just uneducated about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel and the United States will get a reality check sooner or later

        November 2, 2011 at 6:00 am |
      • Nick

        kevin you're an idiot

        November 2, 2011 at 6:01 am |
    • AJ

      I'm an American and even I'm sick of the myth of American exceptionalism. I just hope some day the rest of America joins me in reality and we can start focusing on making a nation we can be proud of rather than one that alienates the rest of the world because we think we're so much better than everyone else.

      November 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Reply
  60. ban the koran

    ban the koran...nuke mecca.....mohamed (may shit be upon him) sucks cocks in hell

    Its time to send the lefty jihaddis and the champagne liberals to go live in some islamic shit hole country and we'll see if they keep singing this old tune

    the us contributes over 22% of the total UN budget, russia and china at 3%, what a joke, and these scum get a veto......
    the un has been hijacked by islamic extremists
    Islam has declared war on western nations....the sooner we realize it and respond with brute force, making no apologies about it the better off we will be.


    November 1, 2011 at 5:13 am | Reply
    • Shaz

      Man your one retarded dickhead ,maybe you should go back to your cave ,the only people declaring war seem to dumb retards like you ,first attain some knowledge then make a valid opinion based on it ,don't just bark like a dog ,your post has no rationale as Islam has nothing to do with violence and does not promote violence if only you could read you might know that ,so next time before you Starr barking get the facts straight moron

      November 1, 2011 at 6:15 am | Reply
      • PeoplethnkthenewsiscorrectLOL

        Actually while Islam may be about peace and in fairness the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful there is one problem. The fact that Sharia law is so closely tied into their belief does not allow much wiggle room to integrating with the western socities they VOLUNTARILY go to. Then they get pissed and bitchy that we live the way we do. Islam may supposedly be "peaceful" but they sure as hell aren't tolerant.

        November 1, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • asd

      lol.. what a piece of shit you are! Im glad they declared war on assholes like you 🙂

      November 1, 2011 at 7:43 am | Reply
    • Andy

      How's your psychotherapy going? By the sound of it, BAD.

      November 1, 2011 at 9:23 am | Reply
    • Egyptian

      woooow , i didnt realise human beings can get that dumb

      November 1, 2011 at 11:02 am | Reply
    • hank

      It funny how people who do not fight in wars always want one.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:09 am | Reply
    • Nick

      You're American military are getting their butts kicked in Iraq and Afghanistan, now thats hilarious

      November 2, 2011 at 6:04 am | Reply
  61. RH

    the irony of the US cutting its funding to UNESCO is as follows: The United States talks big when it comes to its "support" for democracy in the world, but when democratic governments move forward pursuant to the wishes of their citizens (which democratic governments inevitably do), the US threatens them when the policies of those governments are not in line with the wishes of the Palestinians.

    Quite frankly, the actions of the United States reek of bad faith and hypocracy and will go a long way in lowering its already badly damaged status in the eyes of the world.

    November 1, 2011 at 2:30 am | Reply
    • georgex

      My thoughts exactly that I expressed above. We are in a bunch of trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan partly because of this type of stance. And Israel isn't helping itself in continuing with the settlements that U.S. administrations have suggested it stop making.

      November 1, 2011 at 10:52 am | Reply
      • PeoplethnkthenewsiscorrectLOL

        Actually one of the main contributing factors with why the issues in Iraq/Afghanistan are so bad is the following. Over there they have a lack of what Westerners would consider morals. They will work for whoever pays them, even work for both sides at the same time. They do this for many reasons, granted some are because they can't afford basic neccessities. However, there are the other reasons such as "its always been that way" and it has, highest bidder wins their support (for the most part). Many do not either have enough courage, or don't care enough to stand up for right in changing their society. The truth is, its very difficult to change the situation over there if they don't stand up themselves as a group, give it their all, and change it.

        November 1, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • Gary

      Is it too much to ask that a group be given nation state status before being allowed to be a member of this United NATIONS organization. This is a case of the UN breaking it's own rules and the U.S. is calling them on it. By this standard the IRA, HAMAS, and other non-state groups should be given a seat at the table.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:16 am | Reply
      • WB

        Gary, you are so confused, I am not sure I can clear thing for you. Just learn that according to UN resolution 242, the UN has asked Israel to go back to 1967 border. Our president has recently asked the same from Israel. This land is for the Palestinians, it is their nation to be. George Bush has asked for the same two-state solution. is this clear now why they should be given state status or.....

        November 1, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  62. Ayatollah Bear

    Read all the news in 10 minutes.

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    Comes with pictures and raw videos to give you the real news, without any partisan spin

    November 1, 2011 at 12:48 am | Reply
    • M


      IPalestinian – Israeli conflic in one sentence: Solving one nation’s misery by exterminating and replacing another nation!

      Almost every home in Israel is on the land of a bulldozed Palestinian home. But hey, Palestinians are the terrorists because they are supposed to get their home’s back through ‘negotiations’ with the people who took them by force!.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:52 am | Reply
  63. concerned american

    Finally, a CNN article on the middle east that is honest, logical, and accurate!

    November 1, 2011 at 12:25 am | Reply
  64. Garp3

    For ‘Palestine’, all is permitted,
    ‘Palestine’ was admitted today to UNESCO, the UN Educational, Scientific and and Cultural Organization. The Voice of America reports that France voted for the motion, along with almost all Arab, African, Latin American and Asian nations, including China and India. Israel, the United States, Canada and Germany voted against it. Japan and Britain abstained. A two-thirds vote was required by the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization’s 193 members. [but see below regarding the part in italics]

    The contributions of ‘Palestine’ in these areas is well-known. It’s about time they were recognized.

    Take for example, the educational achievement of both the PLO and Hamas, who have educated an entire generation with such vicious hatred of Jews and Israelis that they are prepared to die in order to kill them (including babies).

    Palestinian advances in rocket science are also remarkable. The new Qassams have a range of up to 30 miles and can carry a payload of up to 100 pounds of explosive. Sure, they don’t compare to the Russian-designed Grad missiles that have been landing on Israeli towns lately, but they show what can be done with simple technology and available materials, if only you have enough desire to commit murder.

    And culture — well, a picture is worth a thousand words:

    I know that all rules and normal standards are suspended when the Palestinians are involved, but it appears that ‘Palestine’ isn’t even eligible for membership, according to the UNESCO charter, which allows for the following to join: UN members, states which are not UN members (on a 2/3 vote of the UNESCO General Conference), and finally

    Territories or groups of territories which are not responsible for the conduct of their international relations may be admitted as Associate Members by the General Conference by a two-thirds majority of Members present and voting, upon application made on behalf of such territory or group of territories by the Member or other authority having responsibility for their international relations.

    I think that applies to entities like Puerto Rico. ‘Palestine’ is none of these. But hey, who’s counting? This is ‘Palestine’!

    But here is some excellent news (also from the VOA item linked above):

    The United States says it is cutting off financial contributions to the United Nations cultural agency following its vote Monday to grant Palestinians full membership.

    The State Department said Washington will not make a $60-million November payment to UNESCO because of a longstanding U.S. law that prohibits American support for any U.N.-affiliated body that accepts Palestinian membership.

    Washington currently is UNESCO’s biggest funding source, supplying 22 percent of the agency’s budget.

    Now it’s time to completely cut off the Palestinian Authority from all US aid. There are plenty of good reasons for doing so, including

    its direct financial support for convicted terrorists,
    the continued vicious incitement in its media,
    its payment of ‘salaries’ to functionaries located in Hamas-controlled Gaza,
    its abrogation of international treaties including the Oslo accords,
    And last, but not least:

    its reconciliation with the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

    November 1, 2011 at 12:12 am | Reply
    • M

      IPalestinian – Israeli conflic in one sentence: Solving one nation’s misery by exterminating and replacing another nation!

      Almost every home in Israel is on the land of a bulldozed Palestinian home. But hey, Palestinians are the terrorists because they are supposed to get their home’s back through ‘negotiations’ with the people who took them by force!.

      November 1, 2011 at 1:45 am | Reply
      • James US

        Ummm, I think you need to check your history and read a little....there never was a "palestinian" nation..they had nothing........none of the Israeli homes are built on any "palestinian" land because they never had a nation what are you talking about? Liar....go back to iran with your revisionist history and lies....

        November 1, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
      • WB

        @ James US: you are absolutely right. the Palestinians kicked out to Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia etc.. are coming from Mars. There is one book in Mars that talks about the Palestinians. the Bible does not. you can be an ignorant, that is your life and I don't give a crap but spreading this ignorance, this i too much....

        November 1, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
      • Nick

        James US, you are wrong, Palestine was and still exist. Palestine existed way long before Israel invaded it back in 1948. I think you need to get your facts straight. Israel and its Israeli's belong in Germany where Hitler had them caved in ovens. FREE PALESTINE BIATCHHH

        November 2, 2011 at 6:07 am |
  65. Garp3

    The so-called "Palestinian" Arabs' only contribution to culture and science is that of deceitful anti-Israel/anti-Semitic propaganda and false historical revisionism, incitement to hatred, terrorism, celebration of terrorists/suicide bombers, destruction of Israel and genocide of the Jewish people (see references), The warring "Palestinian" gangs of terrorist thugs, PA/PLO/Fatah and Hamas, certainly have no business in UNESCO, which has now completely lost its legitimacy. All morally responsible, democratic and freedom-loving countries should now stop funding UNESCO. References:,,,,

    October 31, 2011 at 11:58 pm | Reply
  66. PS

    That is vote buying, or corruption, offered by the USA. Vote our way and we will continue to fund you. Same thing happened in Libya – you guys kill Gaddafi and our Senate will allocate a big budget for you.

    October 31, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • the light

      Look arab lover

      the US does not have to support the UNESCO if they do not want to do it.. The UNESCO has given a reason not to get money from the US..The US is quite happy to spend $80million this year.It will hep the deficit cut.

      SO WHY ARE YOU criticizing the US for cutting the funds.. FINe let the Palestinian, France, and the arab countries pay for the UNESCO bill

      there are 104 countries in if you want to be fair, the US should only pay 9% of the budget..SO WHERE ARE YOUR RICH ARAB BROTHERS supporting the UNESCO instead spraying IRAQI dancers with a million dollar for one dance.. Shame on you arab lover go see youtube with your own eyes...The rich arabs are blowing a lot of money on useless things.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
      • SONONI

        I agree, the hell with supporting other countries, we have our own problems and I am sick of helping just to get hated in return. Worry about some type of mental counciling for the Dems in our counrtry, they need it more

        November 1, 2011 at 10:44 am |
      • WB

        Absolutely. Also stop supporting Israel who got us nothing but trouble since day 1. $5 billion every year can put lots of teachers, policemen and firefighters back to work. please close your eyes and imagine Israel never existed, how much more money we would have saved. Our debt would have been less by at least half a trillion,....

        November 1, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
  67. the light

    Your article is political dirven to pease your ARAB CNN audience. IT is full of full of B..S of arab propaganda justto make your Arab reader feels happy.

    Tne Palestinian people underArafat got a lot of money from the US which he used it for himself. 30% of the money was wasted on the FATAH authority. just like Egypt, Afganistan, Libyia. Iraq..COME ON give me an honest Arab cpountry doing the right thing for their people. Even with this uprising, you will get the next person in line to suck the money.

    I jusr do not understand why is the whole world cannot opened their eyes.
    Who are these palestinian people and why are not they willing to negotiate with Israel ? which side do the Isreali negotiate with. look at Egypt, they hate the Israeli but they like the US dollar.

    Are the Pa;estinina as one country or together in one ideology.?

    Come on give me a break.. there is a lot of work to be done within the palestian people before we can call it a country.or an international entity..If tyhey want to make peace, why are they shooting rocket onto Israel...THese are not rational people but frustate within they own rank and blmae the Israelies for all.


    UNESCO is a total uselss organization. It is not a loss for America. The $80millon dollar is US taxpayer money.. they can use it to balance the budget.. AMERIC GO FOR IT>> CUT ALL OF THE MONEY TO THE UN>> WHO CARES>

    October 31, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
  68. Ashraful Sarker

    Shame! shame! shame! on us (USA) because we are talking about peace big mouth now it open to the world what we say and what we do. At lease we should not be shame less as a nation!

    October 31, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Reply
    • the light

      give me a break.. DO not be an Arab lover.. The palestinian does not want to make peace.. shooting rocket onto Israel is not an act of an international respect to other contry.

      how would you like to have the Mexican shooting rocket at Texas because they do not like Mr Perry.

      America is right to cut the funds.. it is tax payer money and we need the money in America instead of cutting other programs.

      If there are 104 countries in the Unesco. America should just contribute its share of 9% of the total budget. IF a country cannot afford to fund the UNESCo, they should keep their mouth shut.

      October 31, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Reply
      • sum1

        oh, please.. like yu arnt such an ISRAELI lover.. wat r yu, preachin abt arab lovers.. its not arabs person, its about humanity and fairness.. this article just proves how shallow people like you are actually. please stop being such a D*** and go away!

        October 31, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
      • Nick


        November 2, 2011 at 6:11 am |
  69. Ashraful Sarker

    This is why people of all over the world hate us (USA), we American would like to solve the problem but at the same time we would like to dictate as well. One thing we should remember people are not sleeping across the world.

    People across the globe see us (USA) exactly what we say and what we do. It makes very clear what are we up to and our values, dignity and strength is going down. Either we American believe it or not.

    So wake up America and start listen to other, sometime it is better to listen to other but we have adopted bad habit not listen to other. Remember days are not same for any person or a nation.

    October 31, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Reply
  70. shmith

    Europe and continuous financial, debt, economic crisis, as if suffering from a bad cold or long lasting diabetes, it is inevitable to let the world Yi Xiao large
    Side. The market economy itself is very strict harsh free competition unruly horse, horseman's power also can imagine. Such as, China
    Commercialization of the housing market, according to the analysis of computer simulation studies, hundreds of millions of urban industrialization and modernization, the need 30-50-100 years
    Time course, and requires a large investment in 15-25 trillion dollars, so try to leap over the achievement, is simply ridiculous. Real estate bubble
    Mo is not just high prices and the key factors of production, productivity, strength, purchasing power far from standard. Europe and the plight of the bubble economy, the
    China inflation, real estate riding a tiger, which are reflecting the charm of the market economy and energy, manage to fall, it might capsize. Modern market economics deep
    Broad sight, even the master of the Nobel Prize for Economics layer of continuous, but also failed to raise Miao did not rain, the prophet seer, the results of the earthquake is not always the world economy
    Off. The United States. Europe, in the BRIC countries, in order to dominate, we must continue to change enterprise and innovation, will not appear on the planet do anything they want badly to
    The gods. The kind of whimsical dreams and brilliant style, once out of the natural track, away from the true road of market economy, can only become the most-wei
    Big red balloon and soap bubble.

    October 31, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Reply
  71. shmith

    Europe and continuous financial, debt, economic crisis, as if suffering from a bad cold or long lasting diabetes, it is inevitable to let the world Yi Xiao large
    Side. The market economy itself is very strict harsh free competition unruly horse, horseman's power also can imagine. Such as, China
    Commercialization of the housing market, according to the analysis of computer simulation studies, hundreds of millions of urban industrialization and modernization, the need 30-50-100 years
    Time course, and requires a large investment in 15-25 trillion dollars, so try to leap over the achievement, is simply ridiculous. Real estate bubble
    Mo is not just high prices and the key factors of production, productivity, strength, purchasing power far from standard. Europe and the plight of the bubble economy, the
    China inflation, real estate riding a tiger, which are reflecting the charm of the market economy and energy, manage to fall, it might capsize. Modern market economics deep
    Broad sight, even the master of the Nobel Prize for Economics layer of continuous, but also failed to raise Miao did not rain, the prophet seer, the results of the earthquake is not always the world economy
    Off. The United States. Europe, in the BRIC countries, in order to dominate, we must continue to change enterprise and innovation, will not appear on the planet do anything they want badly to
    The gods. The kind of whimsical dreams and brilliant style, once out of the natural track, away from the true road of market economy, can only become the most-wei
    Big red balloon and soap bubble. prof.shmith e-mail:

    October 31, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Reply
  72. Abu

    The arabs should kick out all the American oil companies and give the contracts to China and Russia.

    October 31, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Reply
    • the light

      OK MR arab lover

      Who cares about the arab oil.. If the US does not buy the arab oil producing countries dies they will not have any other goods.

      Do not make me laugh, does arabs trust any planes made inCHina or Russia? or food imprted from China .. would you eat it with the bacteria and pollution? how about medecine ..can you trust drugs made inCHina? just give me ab reak and talk smart here. The arabs needs the US.

      you forget that the US is given 3billion dollars to Egypt, supporting the fake peace, Arafat got a lot of money from the US and never gave it to his people, how bout Libya, Iraq, Saudia arabia.

      You better stop eating MCdonald and go eat rice and noodle .Do not get fooled ,europe is poor now they have their problems...

      Ifn few years, the US will not need as much oil as they it ..

      October 31, 2011 at 11:48 pm | Reply
      • Egyptian

        @ the light , you seem as a well educated person ,have a lot of insight , but let me tell you something ,im an Egyptian , studied in the usa ...and a great fan of the usa system...but i would debate that the decision of cutting the funds from UNESCO , not only undermines USA in the eyes of the world ( specially 107 countries that voted for ) but also gives the real sense of US forign policies which is exactly like a small child , that wants to play a certain game ...and when all the other children dont want to play ...that child messes up the entire game...i would suggest keeping discussions objective...this is not about muslims and jews...this about right and wrong...USA was built on the basis of freedom ( I think ) yet its governments seem to have a different prospective of that freedom

        November 1, 2011 at 10:56 am |
      • James US

        The US can get most its oil from Canada....

        November 1, 2011 at 12:40 pm |
      • D

        Don't we use more Made in China stuff than other countries? You sound like an ignorant person.

        November 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • Z

      @ Abu.... First of all... "Isnt Abu the name of the monkey in Disney's Alladin!!" Second... No problemo!! All of the arabs and middle eastern nations can eat their oil. When you need modern weapons to fight the inevitable Israeli onslaught, you can buy the crap that China makes. We get most of our foreign oil from Canada and Mexico. Once the Bakken reserve starts spewing crude, we will need you even less!! Better still, we can take all of the funds we send overseas and reinvest that into research and developement for renewable energy sources. We will not need oil from the middle east or anywhere. Once we control the global renewable energy market, all of the OPEC members will be sitting around their table saying "Oh Sh!t, now who are we going to sell our oil to!!"

      November 1, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Reply
  73. Ashraful Sarker

    This is why people of all over the world hate us (USA), we American would like to solve the problem but at the same time we would like to dictate as well. One thing we should remember people are not sleeping across the world.

    People across the globe see us (USA) exactly what we say and what we do. It makes very clear what are we up to and our values, dignity and strength is going down. Either we American believe it or not.

    October 31, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Reply
    • iPeople

      It's not that USA does not want to do the right thing. Just the decision makers are funded by Israel lobbyists and they have no other choice to preserve their carriers. Even if they are not, any one speaking against Israel will be shot down by very efficient Israel network of News organizations, lobbyists and grass root organizations. It's a sad situation in US politics.

      November 1, 2011 at 11:08 am | Reply
      • Hal

        The best solution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is to give each side equal amount of firepower so they can wipe out each other. Problem solved! The Zionists are no different than Hamas. Both cut from the same cloth.

        November 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • James US

      Ya "thats why most the world hates the USA"....right....thats why everyone wants to come and live in the US and everyone wants to be like the USA......nice try though...

      November 1, 2011 at 12:41 pm | Reply
      • Hal

        Only Mexicans want to be in the US. Because Americans are too lazy and stupid – it's easy to take their jobs away from them. HAHAHAHAHA

        November 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • Gary

      I get so sick of this stuff. I say we cease giving money to any country and call in all our markers. Also stop giving money to charitable organizations, funds, etc.. America's money for America. And if those who owe us money don't pay.... foreclose?

      We can stop peddling our philosophies and our politics and our 'favor', turn inward and take care of our own. I think many in the world who hate us now would continue to hate us, but from a significantly more impoverished condition.

      November 1, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
      • iPeople

        US is obsessed of being super power of the world at any cost. That is why US is holding UN organizations on ransom. Super power status should come from leadership behavior,fair policies etc. If 107 countries are against you and only 14 are in favor, that means super power status is diminishing. Time to save US $$ here than indulge in a fairy world.

        November 1, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Z

      @ Ashraful... Agreed !!! No worries... We will not help any other nation in the future. You are all on your own. So Palestine (and most other middle east countries) Dont cry to me when Israel wipes you off the map!!! We will be sitting here rapidly reducing our budget and selling weapons to the IDF!!

      November 1, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Reply
      • johnjohn

        Go IDF GO

        November 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
      • Nick

        See people like yourself will cause another 9/11 to happen. The United States and Israel want too keep on bullying innocent civilians and certain countries. The biggest two terrorists are the U.S. and Israel. These two will regret what they have done sooner or later. Israel will have to face Iran solo, Israel will be screwed very soon, GOD WILLING

        November 2, 2011 at 5:50 am |
      • jon

        @ Nick:
        Maybe you should check up on your history pal. Just Google the 1967 SIX DAY WAR and you could learn about what happens when Israel feels threatened by its surrounding countries. If Iran wants to provoke them, go ahead. The world would be rid of one less nuclear threat and the Mossad could take out Ahmadinejad with one shot to the head.

        November 2, 2011 at 9:17 am |
  74. Justanotheropinion

    I have an idea, lets take what we saved from UNESCO and invest it in American education, it only seems right we use US tax dollars to better education US children on the scientific and cultural accomplishments of the world. If China, Iran or anybody else really wants to step in and fund what we take out good for them. The world can go feed out of somebody elses hands for awhile...

    October 31, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Reply
  75. ProphetofDoom

    Let's all go back to pre-ice age borders

    October 31, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Reply
    • Andy

      I take it you mean that sarcastically. How about the whole world kicks Israel's ass and they get 10% of present day Israel and Palestine gets the rest. Lets see if israelis are ok with not demanding borders from the past!!!!

      November 20, 2013 at 11:49 am | Reply
  76. American

    Just read this if you want truth:

    October 31, 2011 at 10:34 pm | Reply
  77. Daniel

    Irony ? Irony is the fact that more than 60 years after the Third Rich the UN would go so low and aquiece to
    an organization which teach Plaestinians Childern to hate Jews.. that Irony!!

    October 31, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Reply
  78. Daniel

    The Hipocrits at hen UN do not even respect their own stated vales.. that fact that many conyries supported them shows what the power of Il can do with regard to primciples and valeus... Oil seems to trumph anything else ecept for 14 countries...

    October 31, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Reply

    Who's your daddy!?! Seriously, the UN is worthless...see case in point: it has let the Syrians sit on the human rights council! Fool!

    November 1, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Reply

    UNESCO fails its own mandates, repeatedly. UNESCO does NOT try to bring the fact of the holocaust to ANY Arab country! Stop trying to openly lie in its defense! Stop supporting the baby killing Palestinians! They kill their own young in the name of the false allah! That is despicable!

    November 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Reply

    CNN doesn't understand the definition of irony. UNESCO does NOT spread anything intelligent about peace. UNESCO reminds me of how Europe treated Hitler BEFORE he began destroying that part of the hemisphere!

    November 1, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
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