U.S. already planning for post-U.N. fallout
September 18th, 2011
08:50 PM ET

U.S. already planning for post-U.N. fallout

By Sr. State Department Producer Elise Labott

Last year during his speech to the United Nations General Assembly, President  Barack Obama said he hoped peace negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians could be concluded within a year so that a Palestinian state could be seated at the next year's General Assembly.

Now, his  administration is doing everything it can to prevent that from  happening.

Even as Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Friday promised to seek full statehood for the Palestinians before the U.N. Security Council, the Obama administration - along with European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Quartet envoy Tony Blair - is urging Abbas to agree on a road ahead that won't lead to the floor of the U.N.. (READ: What's at stake)

The current negotiations center around a Quartet statement of principles, which would lay out the terms of reference for peace negotiations with a one-year timeline for concluding a peace deal. In essence, it restates the ideas President Obama laid out in his May 19 speech on the Arab Spring.

For starters, Israel gets recognition as a Jewish state. The Palestinians get a state along 1967 borders with agreed-upon land swaps and a settlement freeze. Neither side will get everything it wants, but diplomats sense a softening of positions by both parties.

The United States also is trying to avoid being forced into vetoing the resolution if it is brought to the U.N. Security Council, officials said. As an alternative, the U.S. is trying to block Abbas from getting a necessary nine votes in the council, according to U.S. officials and diplomats from several other

Even with a U.S. veto, the knowledge that the resolution had a nine-vote majority would be bad for the administration. Senior U.S. officials and several diplomats say the way the math is adding up; the Palestinians would likely struggle to get to nine. That could convince Abbas to bypass the Security Council and go straight to General Assembly.

While the United States is focused on the drama at the U.N. next week, it is planning for the week after, when U.S. officials will have to pick up the pieces.

The hope remains that this road ahead will be enough to convince Abbas to abandon his U.N. bid. The realization is that it probably won't be. The U.S. is now acknowledging the the best it can hope for is that a Quartet statement shapes whatever Abbas does this week. Officials who spoke to CNN said the belief is that setting out the "day after," even before Palestinians go to the General Assembly could convince
Abbas to soften his stance next week, in turn preserving the peace process.

Which is why even as the United States promises to veto anything that comes before the United Nations, American negotiators are quietly working to ensure any resolution Abbas brings to the United Nations doesn't cross "red lines." That includes placing restrictions on any new status the Palestinians seek at the U.N..

While the United States wouldn't be thrilled with any U.N. action, privately officials say they could live with the General Assembly giving the Palestinians a similar status to that of the Vatican, if it denied them the ability to seek action against Israel in international bodies like the International Criminal Court.

But the Palestinians' bid for statehood has the potential to affect much more than their own status at the United Nations.At stake is the unity of the European Union and whether its 27 members can find a common position that both supports the Palestinians and protects its alliance with the U.S..

It's also about the future of U.S. aid for the Palestinians, as well as the future of American engagement with the United Nations itself. A badly-worded resolution that passes the U.N. General Assembly would further embolden those threatening not just to cut funding for the Palestinians, but to limit U.S. funding to the U.N..

And it's about America's relationships with Israel and the Arab world and the inherent contradictions between them.

President Obama is engaged in a complicated game of Twister with his Mideast policy, one just as much about raw politics as it is about high-stakes diplomacy. Put a hand here, he alienates the Arab world after his Arab spring pledge to support freedom and self-determination for all peoples in the region. Put a foot there, he risks alienating Israel, thereby provoking Congress and Israel's supporters on the eve
of his re-election campaign.

Earlier this year, the United States vetoed a Security Council resolution calling Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal and "a major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace." One would think the Obama administration would support such a declaration, considering that President Obama himself said the U.S. "does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements," as stated in his June 2009 address in Cairo to the Muslim world.

The fallout from this controversial veto was quick and limited because the region was preoccupied
with a domino of popular uprisings and falling regimes. Today, the United States is unlikely to escape so unscathed.

In a post-Arab-spring environment, public opinion matters. Mideast lions like former President Hosni Mubarak are not around any longer to guarantee peace with Israel. Recent comments by Egypt's new prime minister that the Camp David accords that governed peace between Israel and Egypt since 1978 are no longer sacred suggest the region's new leaders are willing to say what the Arab street wants to hear.

U.S. officials are greatly afraid this new Arab populism will be more anti-American and anti-Israeli. They fear this hostility, coupled with a souring of relations with its longtime ally Turkey, could drive Israel to take actions in defense of its security that the United States cannot control.

The Palestinian bid in New York could pave the way for demonstrations in the West Bank and Gaza.
Even worse, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians could march against the checkpoints and settlements, running the risk of major violence. Such a scenario could put a stop to Israeli-Palestinian cooperation and result in Israel withholding critical tax revenues from the Palestinians, which could cause the Palestinian Authority to collapse.

The one elephant in the room is the future of the actual negotiations, should the U.S. and its allies be able to get the parties to agree to them. With the Palestinians divided, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu facing his own political battles and President Obama preoccupied with the failing American economy and his re-election, there doesn't seem to be an appetite for the hard slogging and tough compromises that would be needed for negotiations to succeed.

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  27. US Citizen

    The UN is worthless and spineless. We should have left them decades ago.

    May 5, 2012 at 8:53 am | Reply
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  30. ban the koran

    pakistanis hate you, dont be fooled
    palestinians hate americans, they laughed at you when 911 happened
    remember them dancing in streets in karachi, in gaza, in west bank, in syria, in saudi arabia

    why ? because muslims are evil, their relegion is evil
    islam condones lying to the infidel (thats you)
    islam is evil
    17753 terror attacks in last ten years
    the koran was written by satan
    muhamed sucks cocks in hell
    all muslims get butfucked by satan


    all muslims must be killed for world peace, it is only solution

    muslims are evil, they hate you, they want to murder you and rape your children

    muslims believe in slavery....you will wind up being a slave to these people

    September 28, 2011 at 4:34 am | Reply
    • Michael Ruple

      You're an idiot. It is extremists like you that promote hate not only by one misunderstood and misrepresented religion, but by the "right" religion you back. You misrepresent the views of most too and give firepower to the extremists on any side because of your malice. Leave it the the Man on the golden throne to judge others.

      October 11, 2011 at 2:13 pm | Reply
  31. ban the koran

    palestinians are terrorists, kill them all
    muhamed sucks cocks in hell
    burn down a mosque for world peace
    palestinians should go back to syria, where they came from in 600bc
    palestinians have been occupying jewish and christian land for 2600 years

    and thats a hell of alot of back rent!
    fuck muslims kill them all, its the only answer
    islam is evil
    the koran was written by satan
    muhamed is a pedophile

    September 28, 2011 at 4:26 am | Reply
    • You're an idiot

      This is why the world is the way it is, because of arrogant, ignorant , hateful people like you. I hope you're not a christian because obviously you don't follow that religion.

      October 13, 2011 at 4:54 am | Reply
  32. aaron

    It clearly states in the Constitution that we are to defend Israel ... uh, wait a minute... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, the great and powerful Oz has spoken.

    September 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Reply
    • wololo

      you moron. there was no "Modern Israel" or any signs of friendship betwen "Israel" and America when the constitution was written.

      October 11, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Reply
  33. Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

    When Palestine becomes state, first thing on buying list is missiles, spending petro dollar. Another Pakistan in making in that part of the world.

    September 25, 2011 at 6:19 am | Reply
    • Humane

      Pakistan's been an ally to us in the war so far so I think we would hope for Palestinians to be the same no? Yes there has been ups and downs you would absolutely have a point there but more importantly the concern if human rights, people in Pakistan have them, Thank God we have them here in the US and I dearly hope that one day the Palestinians will have them as well and my honest opinion is that for there to be peace in the world we need to reach a solution where Israel and Palestine co-exist and two sovereign nations that carry out a friendly relationship with each other. We have to stop the constant criticism and start to encourage if we truly do wish to achieve world peace.

      September 26, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Reply
      • ban the koran

        pakistanis hate you, dont be fooled
        islam condones lying to the infidel (thats you)
        islam is evil
        17753 terror attacks in last ten years
        the koran was written by satan
        muhamed sucks cocks in hell
        all muslims get butfucked by satan


        all muslims must be killed for world peace

        September 28, 2011 at 4:29 am |
  34. KeithTexas

    Like a bunch of spoiled children with huge egos trying to figure out the rules for the game instead of being honest.

    It is truly criminal and stupid what has happened to the Palestinians. America should be ashamed that we have not insisted on human rights and a resolution before now. But, look at us, we took our payoff and are parroting the line that our Jewish masters dictate.

    September 24, 2011 at 12:16 am | Reply
    • Nada

      Which human rights are talking about ? Which Muslim state has human rights ? tAll their rights come from army,dictator or king. That is the way it is since time of Mohmad.

      September 25, 2011 at 6:26 am | Reply
      • Humane

        You make a great point Nada, unfortunately what you are saying is greatly influenced by what you may have seen on TV because I have traveled to some of these nations and standards of living and human rights are just as good as we have it here, also to further explain I wish you would do some research because human rights as we understand them today are rooted in Islam since Islam is the first monotheistic religion to declare a man and a woman equals in it's Holy Book. Hope you take this as a constructive criticism and don't feel offended by it since I have no such intention just saw your posting it stuck out at me so commented. Have a great day.

        September 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
      • ban the koran

        humane is a liar......muslims can lye to infidels (thats you and me) its called al-tayida.......they lye to further thier cause

        islam is a death worship cult, the koran was wrritten by satan
        do your research

        humane is taking abouth uman rights....fuck you...i lived in saudi for five years
        you lieing piece of shit, women cant even vote or drive a car
        woman are treated like cattle by muslims
        woman are considered property by muslims
        muslims started slave trade in africa


        all muslims will get butfucked by satan upon thier arrival in hell
        muhamed sucks cocks in hell

        September 28, 2011 at 4:39 am |
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    September 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Reply
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      Gilbert Shelton for President 2012!!!

      September 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Reply
      • Vicky

        .In your eyes you want to see this as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "schooling" Mr Obama. Good for you. Cheer for failure all you want. One sees what one wants to see. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may be your hero. "If you read body lgungaae, you would conclude that Obama, leaning back with his legs crossed, was not enjoying the experience." Mr Obama may also be saying, "One can lie oneself to power. One will not lie oneself to the truth." The truth is the demographics are not working in Israel's favor. Just the sheer numbers of people make it imperative that Israel work out peaceful solutions to the conflicts or the Jewish State will be overwhelmed.Even the concept of continuous war will bankrupt Israel.Ema Nymton~@:o?.

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      STOP ALL FOREIGN AID TO the racist zionists in israel.

      America First!

      True American Patriots will vote for Ron Paul!

      September 23, 2011 at 9:10 am | Reply
  36. Nad

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    September 19, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Reply
    • Druthers


      September 20, 2011 at 2:41 am | Reply
  37. Nad

    Standing up for Israel in not in our national security interest. It is rather in the interest of our politicians. How we can people and congress call themselves patriotic when they give standing ovation to a foreign leader who insulted our president right here at home

    September 19, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Reply
  38. patcee

    We can't keep talking out of both sides of our mouths. When other Mideast countries fight for their rights we say we are behind them – even give them air support in their battles. Yet the Palestinians have been waiting many years for us to say the same thing to them. Suddenly we call in the old "it's up to the country to determine it's own fate." How ridiculous we are. We know that what is right is defending the Palestinians, yet we go along with the Israelis because... why was that again?

    September 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Reply
  39. XtianNation

    It is imperative that we stand with Israel no matter what happens!!! It is the will of God that we do so!!! Prophecy must be allowed to happen!!!

    September 19, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Reply
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      September 19, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Reply
    • Druthers

      In Greece at the ancient site of Dodonne the prophecies were interpreted by listenuing to the wind istirring the leaves n a sacred oak tree.
      I hear the wind blow!

      September 20, 2011 at 2:46 am | Reply
    • aaron

      If it a Prophecy, why do we have to do anything to "make it happen"? if you make something happen, isn't that self-fulfilling prophecy?

      September 27, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Reply
  40. Aaron L.

    The Jews are going to drag us into World War 3 against the muslim armies because of the way they treat the Palestinians. Great Job Israel ! We save you from Hitler and this is the thanks we get.

    September 19, 2011 at 4:04 pm | Reply
    • XtianNation

      Good!!! Then all is going according to God's plan!!! I sincerely suggest you all read the Bible and see that this was all prophecized!!! Then you can all bow to Jesus while you still have a chance!!!

      September 19, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Reply
      • LeonABP

        XtainNation: You wrote: "Then you can all bow to Jesus while you still have a chance!!!" You are a gentile, yes? You should know then what your bible teaches: O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

        September 19, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
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        September 27, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • LeonABP

      Aaron, you have a Jewish name – are you a leftist by chance? do visit palestinefacts org for the 1974 PLO Phase Plan. – I do believe you need to be educated on the facts

      September 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Reply
    • ban the koran


      do this little exercise
      (1) take a world map
      (2) colour in red every country where there is conflict
      (3) colour in blue every muslim country

      now notice, most of the coloured map is purple

      why....cause every where their is islam, there is conflict

      muslims are evil...islam is evil....islam teaches people to lie, to hate, to be racist
      muslims started slave trade in africa....do your research
      muslims still own slaves today
      koran was written by satan, allah is moon god from babylon

      muslims be warned....all muslims get butfucked by satan upon thier arrival in hell
      mohamed will be ther too, sucking satans cock and licking the shit off his dick after he fucks muslims in but

      kill all muslims, burn the mosques, ban the koran....only way to achieve world peace

      September 28, 2011 at 4:47 am | Reply
    • Druthers

      "We saved you from Hitler"
      Are you insane or just ignorant? We did not save the Jews from Hitler. They were massacred in extermination camps.
      It is the prostitution of OUR elected representatives who sell themselves to the highest bidder that is responsible for our subservient behavior to Israel. All they would have to do is say, "No thanks;"
      Or ,they could be voted out – but if you pay attention you wil see they all get re-elected.

      September 28, 2011 at 6:04 am | Reply
  41. KRM1007

    60 years of talking has not helped much. Time to try something else. The issue is not going away.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  42. Willie 12345

    After ~ 50 years, we expect the Palestinians to wait longer ? What will be left if they do ? The US needs to nose out of this problem. We've done nothing to really solve it since the beginning.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:12 am | Reply
    • Prometheus

      Neither has Jordan...or any other nation in the region....Jordan is made up of the SAME people...yet even their OWN people will not claim them, or try to work WITH them. Why should Israel then? And if their NEIGHBORS won't stand by them, then why should nations 1/2 way across the world feel pressured to get involved? As far as I see, this is an issue that the 'Palestinian' people need to resolve amongst themselves...period.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:24 am | Reply
  43. Justin Observation

    More proof that neither the president nor congress are actually in control of the country.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:05 am | Reply
  44. Prometheus

    Here is what "I" think:

    No matter what the measure of power is between two disparate peoples...it comes down to 'WHO' is the aggressor. It isn't a matter of your force, nor your influence or persuasion. It rests upon YOUR shoulders as a people to take responsibility for the actions of your leaders. Agree with them and support them 100%, or denounce them and state it loudly for all to hear.

    The Palestinian faction has had militants that CONTINUALLY break the peace and put their OWN people in harm's way. When you say you are an ENEMY of the Israelis and attack, can you BLAME those you attack from seeking reprisal?!

    If I as an American were your foe, under such barbaric and undignified diplomacy I would teach you a lesson that would reverberate for 10,000 years. I ENCOURAGE the Israelis to seek 50 souls for every Israeli soul extinguished.

    50-to-1...keep it up.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:04 am | Reply
    • John Eric Hopkinson

      Now, isn't that a helpful solution. How very supportive of the peace process. Netanyahoo,I presume?

      September 19, 2011 at 7:13 am | Reply
    • Prometheus

      Nah...I am more a "Hey let's kick North Korea in the nuts before Kim goes all FRUIT SALAD on us...." type of American.

      Peace can be achieved several ways. An enemy with a .40 caliber slug punched out the back of his head via his left eye is....mighty peaceful indeed.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:18 am | Reply
      • wp_88

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        September 19, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • lee

      How can u have peace when you are occupied,i beleive the UN as well as the Geneva Convention give the occupied populace the right to resist.The same was true in Afghanistan when the Soviets occupied that country we the West even provided training and weapons as well as in WWII when the Resistance fought the Nazis who were occuping most of Europe.So what is the difference the UN and most of the world call s what Israel is doing an Occupation but I guess in this case the populace should not fight back?

      September 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Reply
  45. Druthers

    When was it ever the time for "hard slogging and tough compromises?" There is always an election around the corner or at the end of the tunnel andf all that money for getting re-elected .
    Israel will continue to tell the US, "You'll walk the line because you're mine."

    September 19, 2011 at 6:46 am | Reply
  46. QuirkyOne

    The Arabs have been getting their a$$e$ kicked by something that doesn't exist since 1948! How pathetic!

    September 19, 2011 at 6:37 am | Reply
  47. tonio

    If U.S. politicians and diplomats affirm that the UN recognition won't change anything for the Palestinian people, then why do they use so much energy to oppose a legitimate right of Palestine to be recognized in the UN?

    September 19, 2011 at 3:54 am | Reply
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    RE:Comments drawing parrallels with Native Americans. The indigenous population, at the time of settling, virtually all tribes viewed land as a "shared resource", not ownable. This was in stark contrast to European settlers who held the John Lockean belief, deeply entrenched, of land oenership, and homesteading on one's own private property. It bears noting that while the Indians never thought land was "owned" by them, they nonetheless in more modern days, hold a cognitively dissonant position, insisting they remain true to their native belief that land is to be shared while simultaneously demanding the "ownership" of it be returned to them forthwith. I am sensitive to the indignities suffered, but limit my remarks to their view on land as a natural resource; let us not digress into re-hashing Manifest Destiny, Eminent Domain, and the Louisiana Purchase, which I am certain none of us witnessed nor was consulted about and therefore is rendered moot.

    September 19, 2011 at 3:33 am | Reply
    • dave

      The indiginious of north America have been waging territorial battles for all time. Any peace that existed was a balance of power, not niceness or fairness. It is interesting to see the strictly war paths in the Rockies, age old battles between the hunting grounds in the mountains and the plains indiginites, battles ad nausium, no different than the white man, property was recognized and fought over as a way of life.

      September 19, 2011 at 7:35 am | Reply
  49. Cellblock131

    If the US did nuke Israeel and utterly obliterated that country, the Muslims would love us for a few days before turning their eye of hate and anger towards the US. 99% of the people on here know that is exactly what would happen. After all, we are the Big Satan, why expect any different?

    September 19, 2011 at 3:17 am | Reply
    • hilo, HI

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      September 19, 2011 at 3:23 am | Reply
      • Bill

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        September 19, 2011 at 7:13 am |
    • lemonhead1990


      It's not so much that the Arab World considers us the "Big Satan", but rather the majority of Arabs just want to be treated equal with the Israelis. All that needs to happen is for the U.S. to take a stand against Israel in a way that shows them that we are not in their back pocket, but rather we will hold them accountable for their actions. That is simply what the Arab World wants to see. It is only a small percentage of people that wants to see Israel destroyed because they realize that Israel is there to stay. US policy should then be to treat the Palestinians and Israelis in an equal manner.

      September 19, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
  50. bmull

    If he were honest Obama would release a statement after the vote saying, "We suck. We bend over for AIPAC. Shabbat shalom."

    September 19, 2011 at 2:38 am | Reply
  51. MLB

    What Middle East peace process are they talking about. The joke of a peace process that continues on and on and on. All with the help of the USA. It obvious we don't want peace in the Middle East and once again Israel is telling the USA what to do. Why don't we just move the White House to Tel Aviv

    September 19, 2011 at 2:21 am | Reply
    • Joshua

      First get the Arabs to openly accept a Jewish state. Then proceed with your anti-Jewish remarks about Jews having too much political power.

      September 19, 2011 at 3:10 am | Reply
      • tonio

        Accepting Israel as a Jewish state will block the Palestinians right to return to their land. This is not about religion, it is about international law and human rights.

        September 19, 2011 at 4:01 am |
  52. reality

    Western Zionazi cowards just bully weak and defenseless people, Palestinians must be given nukes so that they could deter the Zionazis.

    September 19, 2011 at 2:16 am | Reply
    • Random

      People often expect other people to do for them, what they should do for themselves.

      Why should the outside world do for them; or give them for nothing.

      September 19, 2011 at 3:11 am | Reply
  53. Henry Miller

    Why in hell is the US so determined to demonstrate–again–its anti-Muslim bias and its blind, irrational, support of Israel?

    September 19, 2011 at 2:09 am | Reply
    • hilo, HI

      I've never had a real education about this, just propagada from one view or another. I used to think my peace-loving democracy was trying to be the protector of an at risk Jewish society on the heels of the Holocost.
      Now, I just think they must have something really really bad on us.
      I couldn't care less what happens to Palistine either. Pooping out babies left and right, in extreme poverty, for the sole purpose of out-numbering their enemy (either through disposable suicide bomb-fodder, or to outnumber in a voting booth one day) is so morally reprehensible, they deserve all their trouble for that alone.

      The world would be better off w/ them both gone TRUTH be told. They've had plenty of time to leave behind the Dark Ages and DO SOMETHING RIGHT.

      I want my suffering country OUT OF IT.

      September 19, 2011 at 3:21 am | Reply
  54. Mat

    Reality fact is that Israel and US will never agree on state of Palestine. Israel use their lobbies around world to make it sure that is a case. So what is left for Palestenian (i.e. 6M Population)?

    September 19, 2011 at 1:59 am | Reply
  55. Brian

    With no movement whatsoever in negotiations for over a year, what choice do they have?

    September 19, 2011 at 1:49 am | Reply
  56. Amy

    Why is the Middle East always causing so much trouble?

    September 19, 2011 at 1:34 am | Reply
    • reality

      Its not middle east, Its west which is causing trouble in middle east.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:03 am | Reply
      • Edwin

        The west certainly amplifies the conflict, but it did not create it. The middle east is one of the powder keg regions of the globe, like the Hindu Kush.

        September 19, 2011 at 2:20 am |
    • aaron

      Its all about the OIL, get it?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Reply
  57. SkyDiver

    American people have paid the price for supporting the State of oOccupation, Israel,, by their blood and tax money. Billions of Dollars are allocated to the State of Israel every year while there are American people suffering with no jobs, no health insurance, poverty, hunger. US economy is bankrupt and broken due to stupid and foolish policies.

    There is no time to wake up but it is time to revolt against the wasting of American people resources and money. It is time to revolt now and today before it is too late.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:18 am | Reply
    • reality

      Spent trillions on Iraq war, and spending trillions more every year for defense around world. its all because of support for illegal occupation.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:05 am | Reply
  58. Frank Rizzo

    The Palestinians should never accept Israel as a Jewish State, never ever. Israel has a large population of Arabs which account for nearly half of its citizens. The current status quo of the new demands from Israel is a Joke.

    Israel has no right to any land, or peace deal. The Israelis are the cause for all the Terrorist Problems affecting the US and European Nations around the world. Israel is a war mongering Nation that must be dealt with in the same manner it treats the Palestinians nothing less or more. Israel is not worth the pain and suffering of sending any US Armed Forces to protect them from the Palestinians or the Turkish Military that is inching for a reason to invade Israel. The bottom line is clear the only way to resolved this conflict is for Turkey to invade , bomb and destroy Israel back to the stone age and why not?

    September 19, 2011 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • FR

      Rizzo, you obviously are not a history major.
      1. Israeli Arabs are closer to 10-15% of the Israeli population and they are teh only Arabs in teh world living in a Democracy.
      2. The Arabs (Palestinains) have had teh following opportunities to craete a State – in 1947 they rejected thg partition plan (which would have given them more land than what is at stake today)
      3. Prior to the West Bank being controlled by Israel – It was taken over in 1948 by Jordan – which due to the love it has for teh Palestinian – annexxed the West Bank for itself – providing no such State for the local Arabs (palestinians)
      4. After the 1967 war – Israel offered teh Arab ciountries to return all the land it captured for peace – teh response was no.
      5. In 1993 – 1996 – and 1998 The PLO was offered anywhere from 96% to 100% of the land (with land swaps) for peace – all they had to so was sign a peace treaty – they said no again

      Bottom line – The Arab leadership has been nothing less than incompetent and until they recognize Israel as a permamnnent Jewish part of the Middel East and negotiate a peace treaty – they will never achive their dream of Statehood – which the seem to reject each tiome its offered.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:30 am | Reply
      • Joe

        Regardless, lets ask a honest question: Is Israel worth it for America to protect it at all cost ?

        September 19, 2011 at 3:13 am |
      • Cellblock131

        The US could abandon Israel and they would still be just fine. Israel has defended itself without US intervention and can do it again. If the US abandons Israel, then we should be neutral, and not b!tch when Israel starts taking more land. Let them duke it out and let the cards fall where they may, no more interfering on either side.

        September 19, 2011 at 3:27 am |
      • Humane

        Interesting points you have made, issue is that Israel got their independence in the same manner that the Palestinians are pursuing today so why are they not being applauded. You mentioned that Jordan annexed part of Palestine, Israel still to date occupies annexed Jordinian land care to comment please. The issue today does stand at a stale mate, I believe that Israel should be recognized by all muslim nations around the world but I only believe that is possible if Palestine is given recognition else it would be as if the Arabs turned their backs on the Palestinians. Yes Jordan did annex Palestine to prevent the land from falling into the hands of Israel however great criticism from the world community pushed them back. I do not wish for a war as a solution here, simply because this is the holy land for the great majority of the earth's population and it should be treated so. UN should grant the Palestinian's statehood just like they took it away initially. Israel was not born out of negotiations so why must Palestine have to do so? The issue here lies in the problem that if Palestine is recognized as a nation it could pursue international sanctions on Israel for the settlements which they are not willing to give up. Israel by far is not the only democracy Arabs live in that is simply an ignorant comment and you sound smarter than that. As far as the offers Israel made that were rejected can be countered by the offers Palestinians have made. All that shows is that the two sides are incapable of negotiating because of their own interests which is more a reason that this should go through the United Nations. Why is this idea so difficult to understand. United Nations is the international community, peace and prosperity are the foundations of this organization let's use it this is 6 million plus people you are willing to keep in oppression and you want to point the finger on arabs to justiy it to yourself. Well 6 million people are few too many for to ignore and indulge in pointing fingers. If you believe in humanity you stand for this and you pray for the result to be an alliance between these two nations.

        September 26, 2011 at 4:57 pm |
  59. JDSillig

    Where was all this urgency within the Quartet while Israel was building apartheid walls and illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian land?

    I am ashamed of President Obama as our President and disgusted with him as a human being. I am shocked that a man whose ancestors on both sides of his family once suffered from oppression and persecution would not take the moral high ground of supporting the unalienable rights of all people to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Tony Blair, on the other hand, has always been beneath a worm.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:09 am | Reply
  60. Brian

    "This coming election on the ballot it should have Republican, Democrat and NONE OF THE ABOVE."

    Use a grease pencil and just write NONE OF THE ABOVE at the bottom of the ballot. If 50 million people did this Washington might get the message.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
    • wow

      it's called 3rd party....

      ::facepalm:: it's people like YOU that are the problem, not the dems or republicans, but the uneducated masses who don't even understand how elections work

      September 19, 2011 at 2:36 am | Reply
  61. tcaud

    The president is confused: should he stand up for his beliefs, or draw back to mitigate his risk of failure? This week, that question will be decided.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:58 am | Reply
  62. Keksi

    USA is slave state for Zionists.US politicians dont work for american people but for rich bankers and Zionists.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:44 am | Reply
  63. BRC

    It is sad (as a civilization) that we cannot get it right. We keep trying to control one another when we should be focusing on controlling what we can control, which is ourselves. We can't seem to move past our primative instinct to have power over somone else. Very sad.

    If we could move past our primative nature whne it come to interacting with one another (and with other nations), then maybe we could come up with some solutions to solve a problem or two.

    We shouldn't give up hope...but don't hold our breath either.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:35 am | Reply
    • tcaud

      BRC there is no "we" in that context. There are the extremists who want power and control, and the rest of us who just want to make our lives better. No getting around it... part of controlling our environment is controlling them.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
  64. NewsAnalyzer

    My fellow Israelis,

    1. Israeli Occupation = Root problem in the Middle-East and its wars (fought by USA money and soldiers).

    2. USA involvement in defending "Israel's occupation" = 14+ trillion debt + constant wars and enemies + no social security nor retirement for the average American citizen.

    3. Why is America killing itself from within with a stupid Middle-East foreign policy?

    4. America needs to say enough is enough to Israel, needs to stop being the world police, and needs to stop using American taxpayers' money to finance these worthless war adventures in the Middle-East.

    Peace, Love, and Freedom to ALL!

    September 19, 2011 at 12:20 am | Reply
    • Truth

      You are clearly not Israeli

      September 19, 2011 at 12:53 am | Reply
      • tippytoe

        and you clearly are, Truth...

        September 19, 2011 at 1:10 am |
    • Adam

      As an independent and currently deployed soldier, I fully support any and all action in the defense of Israel. I can guarantee that if the arab world invades Israel the United States we will put boots on ground and spin up our industrial might to that of levels of WW II. We have had 10 years of desert and mountain warfare practice with relative minimal loss of life and we will put any notion of success out of your minds. America is ready to explode outwards or inwards, mess up and let it be outwards and see what happens.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:24 am | Reply
      • reality

        Buddy , Muslim world has not even tried any thing yet, Its all Zionazi from west trying to do bad things to Muslim world, still they took 10 years in controlling the 20 millions population of Iraq , the total Muslim population is 1500 millions.

        September 19, 2011 at 2:09 am |
      • MLB

        Really and who is going to pay for it. Guess you missed the news we are broke. We are in debt 14 trillion and counting. Get a grip.

        September 19, 2011 at 2:27 am |
  65. Reality 101

    All the same stuff over and over like a broken record...
    This coming election on the ballot it should have Republican, Democrate and NONE OF THE ABOVE.
    Guess which one gets my vote?

    September 19, 2011 at 12:17 am | Reply
  66. amust

    it is time US speaks out the truth. US has always been doing what is wrong morally, but got away because of its military and infamous economic might. US must act in honor and allow Palestinians a statehood with full recongition.
    US need not support any single penny to the new state. US wil be better off not supporting Israel blindly this time.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:15 am | Reply
  67. Zak

    In order for Israel to survive they have two options. Become a normal state that accepts UN resoultion 242 and 1967 broders that the whole world recognizes as it's state, and starting to "play well" with it's neighbors and then the people will start accepting each other just like S.Africa did. Even now, 15% of the people of Israel are arabs. What are they going to do with this population that breeds double the rates of the nation? Or just stay like this delaying while changing facts on the ground until some stronger arabic nation breaks in war with them. Just like Egypt did in 1973, suddenly then Israel started to accept peace, while Saddat has been almost begging for years for that. This is a historic choice for the Jewish people, be open minded and accepting that there were others in this land before you came and they should have something to make their lives tolerable. You can keep making excuses for yourself, say that there is a division among the palestinians (as if this stopped them from returning Ghaza to Hamas while Abbas is getting nothing), or say you don't feel safe in these borders (like there are any safe borders if they people keep the hatred). I know Israel is a strong nation in a weak region nowdays, but this is not sustainable without a super power packing them. It's your choice.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:12 am | Reply
  68. elijah as'ad abdullah

    Palestinians are always the terrorists. The world felt bad for the Holocaust, comes in takes away the land of Palestinians and create Israel. and because they fight for what was theirs, they are terrorists. If someone without due cause came and tried to take my house and make it his home, he along with anyone living in it dying. They should not bhave to beg for land that was theirs to begin. This country has its priorites screwed up and i am ashamed to have ever defended it as a Marine officer.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:07 am | Reply
  69. NewsAnalyzer

    My fellow Americans,

    1. Based on the above article, we have the following formula:

    The State of Palestine = hostage to AIPAC (USA) influenced elections + Threats of cutting $500 million aid to Palestine.

    2. My advice to the Palestinians: GO to the UN, get your "non-member state", and use the ICC to file legal motions against Israel.

    3. Enough already with the same old arguments, threats, elections, AIPAC BS, etc...

    4. The Arab Spring = Decisive Results = People Power = NO to the status quo.

    5. A peaceful Intifada 3.0 based on the aspiration and the support of the Arab Spring ideals + ICC, is the way forward to ending this costly and brutal 60 year old occupation.

    6. USA needs to stop sending $3 billion aid to Israel + $2 billion aid to Egypt + $500 million aid to Palestine = $5.5 billion total

    7. $5.5 billion = hiring 100 thousand American teachers (at $50K per year) to create jobs and help American kids and schools at the same time.

    8. Our Senators and Congress people have a screwed up logic in their little head. They need to read item-7 above and decide what is really good for America: Israel's occupation and headaches? Middle-East wars? or America First?

    Peace, Love, and Freedom to ALL!

    September 19, 2011 at 12:03 am | Reply
  70. Ren

    To quote a post here: "It all comes down to what the U.S. stands for. What are we? Why were we created? After you answer these, then you know what we stand for. We do not stand for a bunch of violence loving terrorists. We do stand for modern, peace loving democracies." Why was the U.S. created? Well, the answer certainly wasn't out of a love for peace. No, violence was the name of the game for the U.S. since before its creation, violence perpetrated against Native peoples, violence against its colonial master, Britain, and a continual history of state violence up to the present day–perpetual war. Peace loving democracies? Ha! The last World Wars and the U.S.'s own Civil War were conducted by "peace loving democracies." Terrorism? Ask for an honest answer from Native Americans, they've been fighting terrorism since the 1600's.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Reply
    • Matthew Kilburn

      ...and perpetrated a fair bit of it themselves, I might add. To say nothing of the fact that they got virtually independent, self-governing nations within our borders, often subsidized by our tax dollars.

      All for land which, when we first had settlers here, they made no broad, permanent claim to owning.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
      • Ren

        At what price did they "get" subsidized land? Let's see if I come and kick you out of your house and then say that my tax dollars paid for you to live where I told you to live in it (basement), then I should be absolved of effectively kicking you into the basement? And that because you tried to fight me when I invaded your home that I should believe that you did a lot of violence to me and so we're both wrong? Sorry, I don't get your "logic.". Colonialism has its price and it pays for it by initiating violence.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:17 am |
      • Adahy

        You apparently know very little about native peoples.
        "...and perpetrated a fair bit of it themselves, I might add." – We were being INVADED and slaughtered; it was our right to defend our home using tactics that had already been used on us....except for disease because we were not sickly like Europeans.

        "To say nothing of the fact that they got virtually independent, self-governing nations within our borders, often subsidized by our tax dollars." – Not independent, NOT self-governing (BIA). And, as far as the tax revenue goes, you might want to actually research before spouting conjecture as most reservations generate FAR more tax revenue for the state/fed than the surrounding cities.

        "All for land which, when we first had settlers here, they made no broad, permanent claim to owning." -We tried to share with you as we do not believe a person can truly "own" land. But you are greedy and want everything. Europeans do not like to share. Our biggest problem was being too kind and assuming that you would reciprocate.

        September 19, 2011 at 1:04 am |
    • ro

      Ren-it's people like you-that hate the country they live in that are causing us all to go down. Please move out. Move somewhere better. If your criticisms are valid and you sincerely do not like the US-leave. But you won't. Because deep down you know the truth. If you really believed the nonsense you espouse-you would move to Mexico, Canada, or Europe. I'll buy your plane ticket-let me know. Yes you have the right to stay here-we both know that-which only further proves my point.

      September 19, 2011 at 12:01 am | Reply
      • Ren

        While you're at it, pay me for the years I and two generations spent in this country's military, and pay me for my family members who died in this country's wars, and pay me for the years (pre-Civil War) my family was terrorized by southern lynchings and the rest. And pay me for the years I couldn't sleep in "white-only" motels from Houston to Chicago in the 60's. I like your Canadian offer, although France would be nice.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:31 am |
      • Ren

        Hey Ro, if you believe the "peace loving" malarkey about the U.S., try coming out of your history amnesia just a few minutes and think about all the wars the U.S. and its European allies have been involved in since 1775. Here are a few examples; I know you might be historically challenged as are so many 'Mericans:
        1775–1783 – American Revolutionary War
        1776–1777 – Second Cherokee War
        1776–1794 – Chickamauga Wars
        1785–1795 – Northwest Indian War
        1786–1787 – Shays' Rebellion
        1791–1794 – Whiskey Rebellion
        1798–1800 – Quasi-War, an undeclared naval war with France. This contest included land actions, such as that in the Dominican Republic city of Puerto Plata, where U.S. Marines captured a French privateer under the guns of the forts.
        Congress authorized military action through a series of statutes.
        1832 – Attack on Quallah Battoo, Sumatra, Indonesia – February 6–9. U.S. forces under Commodore John Downes aboard the frigate USS Potomac landed and stormed a fort to punish natives of the town of Quallah Battoo for plundering the American cargo ship Friendship.[RL30172]
        1833 – Argentina. October 31 to November 15. A force was sent ashore at Buenos Aires to protect the interests of the United States and other countries during an insurrection.[RL30172]
        1835–36 – Peru. December 10, 1835, to January 24, 1836, and August 31 to December 7, 1836. Marines protected American interests in Callao and Lima during an attempted revolution.[RL30172]
        1835–42 Florida Territory. United States Navy supports the Army's efforts at quelling uprisings and attacks on civilians by Seminole Indians. Government's efforts to relocate the Seminoles to west of the Mississippi are hindered by 7 years of war.
        1810 – West Florida (Spanish territory). Governor William C.C. Claiborne of Louisiana, on orders of President James Madison, occupied with troops territory in dispute east of the Mississippi as far as the Pearl River, later the eastern boundary of Louisiana. He was authorized to seize as far east as the Perdido River.[RL30172]
        1812 – Amelia Island and other parts of east Florida, then under Spain. Temporary possession was authorized by President James Madison and by Congress, to prevent occupation by any other power; but possession was obtained by General George Mathews in so irregular a manner that his measures were disavowed by the President.

        If you want more "peace loving" facts, go to Timeline of the United States Military Operations in Wikipedia. If amnesia still plagues you, look no further than the initiation of the Iraq War–and oh, it was initiated by a "peace loving" democracy.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:47 am |
      • hilo, HI

        Here. Here. Ro
        I'll listen to anyone gripe about how bad things are here, anyone Committed to making them better, not somewhere else better at America's expense.

        September 19, 2011 at 3:26 am |
  71. Matthew Kilburn

    If the Palestinians get a state, it will almost immediately be a failed one that is born instantly into a state of war with Israel.

    When Hamas the terrorist group throws a rocket at Israel, its a thug group that needs to be hunted down. When Hamas the part of the sovereign Palestinian government throws a rocket at Israel, its an act of war.

    Yes, the Palestinians should have a state...but maybe that state isn't Palestine, maybe its Jordan and Egypt. And even if it is Palestine, the internal strife, the corruption, the lack of services, the terrorists running huge sections of land....do we really want to give birth to another Somalia?

    September 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm | Reply
    • Raj

      "the internal strife, the corruption, the lack of services, the terrorists running huge sections of land..."

      Are you talking Israel or Palestine here? Those settlers behave like rabid dogs ..

      September 18, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Reply
      • Matthew Kilburn

        ...but the settlers aren't lobbing rockets at Palestinian schools.

        September 18, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • SSampson

      Hamas is in Gaza – this is the West Bank – NOT under Hamas control....

      September 18, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
      • amos33

        Gaza was under PA controll but voted in Hamas, How long do you think it would take for Hamas to win the West Bank and what is the difference between the two groups? Nothing, Nada, Zilch, Nict, Nyet.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:06 am |
    • SSampson

      Israel isn't bombing civilians?? Really?? – Most of the methods used by the terrorists were used years ago by the Irgun – The Irgun formed in the late 20's was bombing Arab busses and markets (and a British police station at the time) – It is pointless to discuss 'who fired first' in this conflict – Both sides have done stupid things – To say that Israel is simply an innocent victim is wrong – To say that the Palestinians have been totally innocent is aso wrong

      September 18, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Reply
    • Atlantan

      Actually the West Bank does have a working infrastructure. If the illegal Gaza blockade were to end, the same could happen for Gaza.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:48 am | Reply
  72. mullah dadullah

    america is going down.island of israel is more and more lonely.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Reply
  73. Jesus

    Israel existed before most countries in the world and will always exist. Get used to it you Jew hating Arabs. You'll never beat her, so accept her.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Raj

      Self hating Jew ...

      September 18, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Reply
    • SkyDiver

      Jesus,,, You are either hallucinating or daydreaming. Israel never existed before and it now exists by force and occupation. Force and occupation can never maintain an existance for a long time. The history of the State of Israel is only few decades. Israel is in ongoing wars and fighting to keep existing. Don't you see how the drug dealers live their lives? They spend their lives in violent killing and eventually they are dead themselves in a violent way. Who lives with the sword, dies with the sword.

      ....Occupation, resistance Security and fear , security and fear....eventual liberation and banishing of Occupiers:)))

      September 19, 2011 at 1:01 am | Reply
    • reality

      From modern Zionazis to old Moses every body killed millions of people in the name God given land, but they always get defeated after initial win.

      September 19, 2011 at 2:15 am | Reply
  74. Kevin Cantu

    ?!? So does this mean we're not in the U.N. anymore???

    September 18, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Reply
  75. mattan4486

    It all comes down to what the U.S. stands for. What are we? Why were we created? After you answer these, then you know what we stand for. We do not stand for a bunch of violence loving terrorists. We do stand for modern, peace loving democracies. Israel and the U.S. have so many ties on every level, economics, medicine, technology, and intelligence. Whether racist Americans like it or not, we have more in common with the Jewish nation of Israel than with any arab country. The palestinians can not even forge a unity government, they are split between a terrorist organization running Gaza, and the former, or perhaps still, terrorist organization of the West Bank. They do not want peace, they do not want to compromise, and they do not want to allow Israel to exist. They want to walk around the reality that they must make peace, by going to the U.N. If they do get a state, I hope the world will hold them accountable when they send terrorists to cut the throats of babies. Then their animalistic acts of terror can be seen as acts of war,which a few Israeli bombs can then fix this problem for good, without holding anything back on what the world thinks.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Reply
    • Schmoog

      Wow, mattan4486, you think the US should ally itself with a colonialist ethnic supremacist state like Israel? Is that what you call a "modern democratic state"? One that has been committing ethnic cleansing for over 60 years so that it can have a Jewish majority and call itself a "democracy"? Hardly. The US needs to start supporting real democracies that represent the wishes of all their citizens regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:18 pm | Reply
      • Jesus

        You are an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about this. Israel wouldn't have to protect it self if the Palestinian terrorists would stop killing them you fool!!!!

        September 18, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
      • mattan4486

        ethnic cleansing is what the arabs have acheived against the Jews in all of their countries. Even today, Abbas has stated that the future state of Palestine will be Jew free. There are many different religions living in Israel, there are even two arab members of the knesset. You are just ignorant of the facts. Israel must maintain its Jewish identity in order to protect the Jewish people who have been kicked around, murdered, and raped, in every muslim country, and in europe.

        September 18, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
      • aaron

        who cares? not my problem

        September 27, 2011 at 10:53 pm |
    • LV

      Israel should turn off the free water and power they provide, stop allowing the Shekel to be used as the currency of their enemy and then close the borders. In other words, get ready for a sovereign nation to fire a rocket over the border. Let them be a state, and with that, let them feed themselves with their own resources, and take the hit back when they fire just one more rocket.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Reply
    • Mike11

      Why should the US keep supporting a socialist state? We supported South Africa way to long. At least it was not a socialist nation. Israel is the same as pre-apartheid South Africa. Time to cut the ties. Oh, but I forgot, the Democrats and the Republicans and the Right wingers all love Jewish money.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
    • Raj

      You sound like a settler ...

      September 18, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
    • Rashed

      Well USA stand for its interest not peace, not democratic country, nor capitalist economy. USA has more common with Jews because they came from European country. But don't forget that all those Muslim autocrat ruler has invested in the USA , which is equivalent of 5% of USA's GDP. You also mention cutting babies throat by Palestine people, have you ever given your thought that F16, Apache helicopter or Tank like advance equipment can kill how many lives in split second. I think you did not bother think about it . USA does not want peace USA wants to play politics. It is time for Palestine put the USA side line fight for their rights.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Reply
    • aaron

      why do you care?

      September 27, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Reply
  76. B17

    Obummer, when will you learn that wishing and hoping and praying just doesn't cut the mustard? Worried about the ramifications of opposing the Palestinian bid for statehood after you supported it last year? Worried that the UN won't like the US anymore? I have news for you man-child. The UN is an anti-American organization. They would love to see the US grovel and beg for the support of the international community. We foot most of the UN bill and yet receive nothing in return but ridicule and scorn. Time to break the UN free of the American teat.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • Schmoog

      Baloney, B17. The UN is representative of the interests of all the world's countries, not just the US. According to folks like you, any country or organization that doesn't fall all over themselves to satisfy every American whim must be anti-US. Time to grow up.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Reply
    • LV

      All you have to do is read the public budget of the UN and you will see that the UN is utterly and totally corrupt in just about every possible way. I think we hang around just so we can spy on their moronic reps and we give them money to follow where it flows. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • Raj

        Even though the UN made Israel ? If a unilateral declaration of state is good enough for Israel then it's good enough for Palestine.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • Jesus

      Couldn't have said it better my self.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Reply
    • Cyrus

      I am going to say this in simple words, so that you gave a moment to process. You are a bona fide idiot.

      U.S. is still the biggest contributor to the UN and no one at the UN takes a piss without our oversight. The rest of the world feels that the UN is just a U.S. body with an international mission. Get over yourself.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
  77. mullah dadullah

    recognize palestine and kick out israel.american criminals need to get a lesson.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Reply
  78. Drinker

    Israel was a huge mistake. After WWII did they really think the people who lived there were just going to roll over and be taken over? So utterly stupid!

    September 18, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Reply
    • LV

      Post WWII, only the USA would take the displaced Jews. So, if you want to blame someone, start with Germany, France, Italy, Spain........ As for our support, we have to choose. We either support the only democracy in the region, or not. Or, would you prefer we just let Hamas et al destroy that region as they did Lebanon? Oh, wait, too bad you know nothing about Lebanon, who close their borders post 1967 war and thus why anyone was left anywhere as 'refugees' - You do not know any of that because you bury you head in the sand and just believe that the USA and Israel are 'evil' or 'occupiers' - If you are an American, have a little more faith in what we did and what we are. And if you are an American please, you a free to go anywhere you prefer. Somewhere that did more good for other countries than America ever has. Oh, but, you can't. Leave anyway.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Reply
      • Drinker

        Was that supposed to be English???

        September 18, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • mattan4486

      you are ignoring that Jews lived there even before WWII. yes, there was imigration during the war, and after, but you can not ignore the fact that Jews were there. The arabs (and I say arabs, not palestinians, because palestine was the name of the area, not a people) massacred the Jews living there in 1929 in Hebron, 1938 in Tiberias, and other places in this area of land that was called Palestine. Did the arabs think they could just murder all the Jews and the Jews would do nothing? Who would have thought the weak helpless Jews would have actually ended up fighting back, and fighting for their own nation?

      September 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Reply
      • LV

        I'm not Jewish, but I marvel at the hatred of Jews worldwide. I cannot think of any explanation for it. Most Americans just have no idea what happened even in 1967, much less before that, and they do not talk about it. When it comes to Israel, political correctness seems to dictate that Arafat was a righteous hero resisting something - what? Most Americans have no idea what Israel provides to their 'occupied' lands - and they seem to think that Israel prefers to do any of it. Nobody talks about WHY those people are there and what pawns they are of the radical Islamic regimes and even the 'moderates' of Turkey and Egypt. (Well, ex Egypt which, today, is sliding into the hands of radicals)

        September 18, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
      • Drinker

        No, I'm not ignoring that. The Jews lost the land like many conquered people throughout history. Are we going to give America back to the Native Americans? What do you think most Americans would have to say about that?

        September 18, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
      • LV

        Now you are just being silly. Every border in history was drawn following a _ _ _. Hint, starts with w, ends with r. You truly are walking evidence of the failure of our educational system to teach critical thinking. Total fail. We really need to step it up so that we have some kind of educated electorate. But,hey, you just go throw back a couple more and donate ten bucks to the t-gop.

        September 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • LV

      Yep, a post-grad web comment on your character and lack of education, standing on its head. Of course it is personal. It has to be, or you'd have to think for yourself, in which case a brain cell you killed years ago would have to spark.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Reply
      • Drinker

        Seriously, what are you on? Wow.

        September 18, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
      • Nevado

        There is something I don't understand here. If it was OK for the Jews to create/expand Israel through war, why it isn't OK for the Palestinian to recover that land through war?

        September 19, 2011 at 12:08 am |
  79. S. Zaman

    When will the Palestinian's ever get it through their thick skulls that the United States and Europen Union will ever be fair brokers in any peace accord. Not Israel, not the United States, not the Europen Union ever want the terms of peace based on mutual compromise. They want peace based on what benefits Israel the most and they will do it with threats of violence. The Palestnian need to continue to resist the Occupation until the terms of the peace are mutually beneficial.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Reply
    • LV

      Occupation of what, exactly? Go back, read your history, realize you're wrong, deny it anyway and then have another beer or ten. Incredible. Absolutely clear evidence that we have failed to teach critical thinking or any kind in our educational system.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Reply
  80. US Citizen

    Obama is WAY over his head in this arena (well, all of them actually, but that's not the point I'm trying to make here). I surely hope Obama has excellent counsel on this. Things will go very badly for us (meaning us as in, us US soldiers) and the American people, not to mention our allies.

    Giving up on Israel is flat wrong and should never have been discussed. Proposing pre-1967 borders (which, by the way, are completely un-defendable... look at them- even those who aren't "military smart" can see it's awful) should NEVER have come out of our president's mouth. Shame on him.

    For you born-again believers- compare this "news" to John's revelation. US even talking about abandoning Israel and pulling out of the UN (which would make us completely irrelevant to the rest of the world) and becoming an isolationist nation is what WILL happen- maybe not today or tomorrow, but it will. The children of England are NOT part of the last days. That means us, Canada, Australia, and other smaller nations once part of or birthed from Britain. We will have become so irrelevant and weak, we will be ignored (course this is already beginning to happen).

    Just watch the events in the MIddle East unfold, and you will see Revelation become real to you. The pre-positioning is already beginning. Iraq will rebuild "Babylon". It will become the world's trading post.

    I'm going to ask folks not to comment on this post if you don't understand what I'm talking about. I am NOT NOT NOT a "crazy end of the world go sell all your junk be a hippy live in a convent the sky is falling" weirdo. What I AM saying, is that regardless of what anyone believes, the pre-positioning of nations is beginning. It may take decades for the finalization... Matter of fact, it might not even be in our life-time (although I doubt it will take that long at this point). I'm just saying read Revelation for yourself. Don't believe here-say. Do your OWN study. Revelation specifically speaks of Russia, China (the northern nations), the western nations (Europe- not America), the southern nations (up from Africa) and the eastern nations all moving toward modern day Babylon.

    It's happening. Look around at what is going on over there. It's not scary. Shouldn't be for the born-again (notice I didn't use the word "Christian". That word means nothing anymore, sadly- too many extremist liars use that identification {ahem, Westboro Baptist} and people who kill in the name of God {you know, like the "Christian" Crusades).

    Just an observation. Be MATURE if you respond.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Reply
  81. Melvin

    The last thing we want is another Republican. Another false flag operation. Another reason to go to War. Everybody is starting to realize that 9-11 was a scam and a fraud cuz there's no way building #7 would have fallen by itself, so neatly, without ever getting hit by anything

    September 18, 2011 at 10:54 pm | Reply
  82. seeker


    September 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Reply
    • hilo, HI


      I swear, milking the Holocost is getting old here. Clearly, you wouldn't spit on me or my family if we were on fire, and i've gone from willing to hide you in my attic at cost of my own life -to cutting you lose for good.

      September 19, 2011 at 3:11 am | Reply
  83. ccastine

    you cant force this situation to happen, in fact granting them statehood is going to make the situation worse right now. but at some point the Israelis are going to have to stop being so hypocritical and hostile and allow this to happen...they have terrible domestic and foreign policy. netenyahu is a very bright powerful leader and I would expect better from him, but it doesn't seem he is going to wise up and be a human.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm | Reply
  84. Matt

    I thought about this weeks ago, Obama has made a lot of mistakes, if fact his first term has been a disaster but if he gets a second term, then Bibi has no power over him, if someone else get in we have a whole lot of other problems.

    The damage is done now, so we have to look forward. What is best 4 years of a first term President that Bibi can stand over and make the ambassador to the UNSC a cripple because of all the veto from the lawfare that will come from the PA at the UNGA and isolate the US and make it toxic.

    Ben has backed on getting rid of Obama making him a first term President, and having the US veto which is why he is not concerned about the UNGA, which is why they way he acted when he came to the WH and his no, no, no speech to Congress.

    If Obama loses well then those problems will have to be looked at.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Reply
    • Remeny

      So, American presidency is determined by a foreign country and its prime minister. Reading the comments and also the article, I start to be ashamed to be an American; its double standard in foreign politics is the cause for all our problems even our deficit among others.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
      • Nevado


        September 19, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  85. Adnan

    Obama will certainly lose this election. So why does not he make a decision that will make him remebered forever and ever. force the israelis to accept a palestinian state.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Reply

    The first thing you do not talk about is why, why should any one believe the US in the peace process, secondly, it is not the matter of fairness and justice for the Palestinians any way, is it not all about how much Jewish money and the Jewish votes will Obama garner for selling out the Arabs once again.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Reply
    • Jesus

      Justice?Fairness? You are a fool. All Israel has been is just and fair, after all the "Palestinians" haven't been blown away into dust. Israel gave them Gaza for peace and they in turn show their "fairness" by sending hundreds of rockets. Get it right you idiot!

      September 18, 2011 at 11:45 pm | Reply
      • Raj

        Your followers have killed more Jews in history than any other...

        September 19, 2011 at 12:06 am |
  87. martin2176

    UN like its predecessor league of nations, is a Joke. Its like a referee in a bull fighting competition

    September 18, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      A joke is better than nothing

      September 18, 2011 at 11:20 pm | Reply
  88. Landrian

    Obama is a not for America. i bet those super rich jewish people gave him most of the campaign contributions when he got elected. Now, he is mopping the floor for them, at the expense of US taxpayers. I will never vote for another clown like him ever again.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Reply
    • Landrian

      The way he helps them. Its just pathetic. He never cared for majority of Americans. anyone other than his campaign contributor are nothing to him. How else can you explain why his policies are full of lies and butt kissing to those big business and bankers.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Reply
    • Silvia

      I bet you are a disgusting racist. Wait, actually that's already obvious from your comment.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:30 pm | Reply
      • Landrian

        Oh, i didn't realize calling someone Jewish is a racist, nor did i realize that calling Obama a clown is racist as well. Please enlighten me on my short falls.

        September 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • Peter R.

      This is the most ignorant thing I've heard all day. Thanks for showing us the Education System in America is indeed broken.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Reply
  89. someone

    This is stupid, just let them become their own state. Deal with it, it is NOT OUR PROBLEM ANYMORE.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Reply
  90. Carlos Montayne

    Amerika is truly a land of pathetic cowards and fascist jews!

    September 18, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • Jesus

      First of all the Jewish people date back to three thousand years in Israel if not more. If anyone was occupying anything its the Palestinians. The word Palestinian was made up by the Romans who conquered the Jewish people. "Palestinian" is used to refer to their old enemies, the philistines. To all of you who call America cowards, get a life or go live else where!

      September 18, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
      • Raj

        According to your own bible, the Jews were not the first people on that land ...

        September 19, 2011 at 12:09 am |
      • Bakro Chod NaPaki Beto

        Jewish tribes were living in Arabia -today's Saudi Arabia 1400 year ago till prophet Mohmad (pbuh) came.. Check Quran.

        September 25, 2011 at 6:12 am |
  91. FauxNews

    The US is the World's largest weapons seller, the last thing they want is peace anywhere on the planet.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • US Citizen

      Nope. Try again. Care to guess how many Chinese or Russian weapons the world has? Bet you a years salary it's more than US weapons.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Reply
      • garth

        You're wrong. The top four weapons exporters are the US, Russia, Germany, and France. The US exports a greater value of weapons than the other three combined.

        September 18, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
  92. S1N

    The bottom line is that Israel is quickly becoming more trouble than it is worth. While I personally support the Israeli position, I realize that, at least from a diplomatic point of view, continuing to support Israel at the expense of the rest of the Middle East is no longer a viable option. Given the fact that most of the new regimes are far less sympathetic to U.S. interests, it is past time we cut off Israel and let them fend for themselves.

    CYA (the acronym, not the farewell) and abstain from the Security Council and/or General Assembly votes. Continue to provide military assistance to Israel while having the Arab world think we actually support their interests.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      the US will never cut off Israel while the religious right holds so much influence in our national politics. It's a much more complex situation than a simple international sovereignty issue.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
      • Mike11

        Andrew; It's not just the religious Right. It's also the Liberal Democrats who need the Jewish vote. Most American Jews are leftists (can you say Soros?). The Republicans also are beholden to the Jews to get elected.

        September 18, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
      • Todd

        Mike11, I think that most Liberal Jews are in favor of a more balanced approach in the Israel-Palestine conflict. The danger is in having powerful lobby groups (and the religious right is a very powerful lobby in this country) actively campaigning against you.

        September 19, 2011 at 7:01 am |
    • hilo, HI

      We don't exist as our own nation any longer, we're just a dying host for parasites.

      Jewish Americans more concerned with Israel's best interests than America's should follow their true allegience and move there. If not, fine stay -IGNORED.

      Same with Mexico's unsustainable 5.6 Catholic (no birth control) birthrate. America leveled down to a sustainable 2.4 decades ago, but somehow their choices are our problem. Our leaders try to accomodate them, and a soon-to-be Third World is springing up all around me.

      The Gulf of Mexico has an ever-growing DEAD ZONE the size of NJ (see NOAA website short vid -a horror) Why? Run-off down the Mississippi River of chemical fertilizers trying to sqeeze more food out of an already critically depleted wheat/corn belt -TO FEED THE WORLD. 95% of Egypt's food supply -for one example. Every leeding heart posting "Feed poor Somalia" (not "Let them take responsibility for their breeding CHIOCES".) was a vote for the DEATH of the GULF -worse than BP.

      We should just lay down and die. We're too stupid and lazy to revolt.

      September 19, 2011 at 3:02 am | Reply
      • Angry American

        You can say that again (and again). Seems like just about everyone including our elected representatives are in a race to suck the last drops of greatness from this nation for themselves and whatever group they identify with.

        September 19, 2011 at 7:04 am |
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