Palestinians seeking statehood: What's at stake
September 16th, 2011
10:00 AM ET

Palestinians seeking statehood: What's at stake

By CNN National Security Producer Jamie Crawford

With Israeli-Palestinian negotiations over a future Palestinian state going nowhere, the Palestinians are expected to submit a formal request for statehood to the United Nations next week. The move is likely to set up a collision course with the United States and Israel and unleash a new reality with an uncertain outcome.

While the United States and others continue to seek a last minute compromise to head off any vote next week, analysts say the Palestinian government has come too far at this point to turn back.

"The Palestinian leadership understands very well the limitations of the U.N. statehood strategy," Haim Malka with the Center for Strategic and International Studies told CNN in an interview this week. "But they have put their political credibility to some degree on this strategy, and to backtrack at this point would be a blow to the Palestinian leadership's domestic credibility."

The Palestinians hold "observer" status in the United Nations, which allows their representative to speak in the General Assembly but not vote. Essentially, the Palestinians have a choice of taking their membership bid either to the Security Council or to the General Assembly. Both routes come with their own challenges and limitations.

A successful vote for the Palestinians in either forum will not lead to the establishment of a "state" with defined borders, but it would grant them an upgraded status within the United Nations, allowing them to take actions they are currently prevented from doing, such as pursuing legal action against Israel.

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Malki said Thursday that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas would present the Palestinian bid for full membership to the Security Council on September 23. Al-Malki said Abbas will personally submit the request to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon after he addresses the General Assembly, where he is likely to discuss the issue.

The Security Council is the only body at the U.N. that can extend "full member" status to a state, and thus formally recognize a state of Palestine as a member of the body. With the United States vowing to veto a formal Palestinian request at the Security Council, a membership drive through this route would be unlikely to go very far.

It would also present a difficult position for an Obama administration already on record for supporting the creation of an independent Palestinian state. Earlier this week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said a Palestinian bid at the U.N. "will create more distractions toward achieving that goal" of statehood and urged both sides to return to direct negotiations. It is only through direct negotiations, the U.S. says, where outstanding issues such as final border demarcation, the status of Jerusalem, and the status of Palestinian refugees can be agreed to and allow for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

The Palestinians would seem to have an easier path through the General Assembly, where they would likely have enough support for a vote upgrading their status to that of a "non-member state." This would put the Palestinians at the same level as the Vatican, which also sits as a non-member state in the General Assembly.

While an elevation to this status does not carry the same weight as an affirmative vote through the Security Council, it would give the Palestinians the right to observe and submit resolutions, and join other bodies and conventions at the United Nations. Furthermore, it could also strengthen their ability to pursue legal action against Israel in the International Criminal Court. While the Palestinians have not explicitly threatened to take this course of action, it is still a concerning prospect for both Israel and the United States.

There are several reasons the Palestinians are seeking a vote at the U.N., but Marwan Muasher with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says a main reason is over the issue of land in a future state. With the current Israeli government position of keeping all of Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley under a two-state solution, Palestinians would be left with a much smaller state than originally envisioned that would not be viable or contiguous. Seeking recognition along the 1967 lines that form the basis of current international discussions, Palestinians feel they might in legal and international terms keep Israel from taking more land. "They feel like this is one of the only ways, at least according to international law, to preserve the possibility of two-state solution," Muasher said.

Many analysts say the American political calendar also plays into the current Palestinian calculus. With peace talks at a standstill and with any major American involvement likely on hold until after next year's presidential election, the Palestinians feel they must continue on this path while Israeli settlement activity persists on land Palestinians see as part of a future state.

Questions remain as to what might happen after a vote goes through the Security Council or the General Assembly. Some have warned of the possibility of an outbreak in violence in the Palestinian territories if they are not successful at the U.N. Israel may also seek punitive measures such as tightening restrictions on Palestinians in the West Bank or freezing tax revenue the Israeli government collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.

The Palestinian government faces domestic political liabilities of its own through increased opposition and resentment if Palestinians feel the strategy has failed to change their daily lives.

Regardless of the outcome, Malka says the future prospects of negotiations, along with recent expansion in security cooperation between Israelis and Palestinians, could face a serious setback. "That cooperation, which has really stabilized the West Bank and brought security to Israel, is in jeopardy if the Palestinian statehood bid moves forward through the United Nations."

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  12. JohnnyB

    After reading all the comments I realized that the majority of the comments where adding salt to the wound. No human on earth should be treated like dirt. Humans are all equal and should be treated as such. Both Israelis and Palestinians are wrong and also are right. It is time for The United States government to ask the tax payers what should be the stand of the USA towards peace in the Middle East, neither side is capable of making that decision. The United Nation decided in 1947 to partisan Palestine, which lead to the establishing of the state of Israel on Palestinian land. Palestine should be granted the Statehood, and then let the negotiation starts. Since Palestinians have no right to say Israel has no right to exist the same should be give for the Palestinian Israel can not decide when Palestine should exist or not. The negotiation will be then between two states not between the occupied and the occupation power. Of all the people on earth the Jews should understand how the Palestinian feel and how much they resented that treatment in Europe the early part of the last century. So let us be a good instrument in helping those two nations to turn the page and negotiated as equal. As an American put yourself in both Jewish and Palestinian shoes and see how you feel. No one should be hungry or afraid. Everyone on this earth has a right to be happy and be free. God Bless all.

    September 21, 2011 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • livinfree

      Abbas has repeatedly said the Palestinians will never recognize Israel as Jewish state. Hamas has said it will never recognize Israel period. Why should the Israelis recognize a Palestinian state?

      September 21, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply
    • brian

      Please let us all not forget it has been a jewish territory all the way back to biblical times. I do feel however that the Palestinian state should exist, and am wondering why any of the other muslim countries in that area have not given up land that borders them.

      September 24, 2011 at 1:24 am | Reply
      • Wassim

        Please let us all remember that These thugs in Israel are Zionist. Zionist direction is anti semetic(prior definition intended before changes were made by Israel). Zionist are Mushrakeen, my jewish brothers and muslim brothers know what I mean as we are both a part of the semetic family.(language ,culture,civilizations,values morals etc etc) For hundreds of years Palestine has been a host to the orthodox jewish community, without blood shed and where families lived side by side and even took care of each others kids just as their own. The real jewish identity has been highjacked by athiest converts, the same converts who followed them are present in Israel. There is more then enough evidence to back up my historical unravealings. Go to Nueatria karta"Jews against Zionist Jews". There is a lot out there to discover, do not be on the slained side of the case. Salaam,shalom,peace!

        September 24, 2011 at 2:02 am |
    • mydogsays

      With Palestinian statehood in the UN Israel can no longer claim "immunity" for its war crimes.

      September 24, 2011 at 9:24 am | Reply
  13. Herman Goring

    This whole issue could have been solved 65 years ago...Unfortunately Hitler lost the war...

    September 21, 2011 at 7:10 am | Reply
    • Wassim

      In the name of Allah, most gracious most merciful; Zionist Israel does not speak for true Jewry. It is an imposter state that was created from the very people who slaughtered the "jewish" community during the Holocost in Europe. President Ahmadenajad of Iran has 70,000 striving Orthodox Jews in his country, with protections from harm from outside sources such as Zionist Israel, just like in the past, Arab Muslim lands have always protected True Jewry; how could we not, only an imbecel could not see similarity's :). Anyways long story short visit Nueatra Karta based out of New York city, I support and recommend viewing this site to start you off where the real strife between Muslims and Jews are working together to Outstripe Zionism all together. Salaam,shalom,peace:)

      September 24, 2011 at 2:17 am | Reply
  14. dugee

    Personally I am pro-Israel but come on, Palestinians need a country. They have been in this freak limbo for far too long. Having this perpetually unstable situation generates all of the crap you people are talking about. Think Ireland before 1920.Give those kooky settlers the boot, establish some borders and move forward.

    September 20, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  15. Roger Lafontaine

    To say that the Peace talks are 'stalled' is like saying that the Titanic may still finish its maiden voyage, all we have to do is wait a little bit longer. The Palestinians are being treated like convicts in their own homes and land and they want to be set free from this oppressive occupation which is stealing their sovereignty and destroying their people. Israel is a prosperous and successful nation and doesn't suffer from this unending conflict as Palestine does. Israel is in the UN and so should Palestine be. Those foolish zealots who see this as an 'opportunity' to lead us to WWIII are morally repugnant. Jesus rejected the sword and so should you. If you want to be true to your faith learn to love peace again.

    September 20, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Reply
  16. PsychGirl

    Peace will never come to the Middle East, even if Palestine is granted statehood by the UN. Everyone is yelling about how Palestine did this to Israel, and Israel did this to Palestine; guess what... it's a war over land that is religious sacred to each side, and BOTH had done wrong. Each side feels that they are entitled to the land and will do anything and everything in their power to keep it. If history teaches us one thing about what Israel will do if statehood is granted, they are going to get hostile and world war three really will start. The most ironic part of this whole thing is despite all of the talk of how World War 3 would hurt the US economy; history shows us that it will strengthen our economy (info based on the economy before world wars one and two and after). In the end all the US is doing on Friday is delaying the inevitable by a few weeks, months, or even years; a war will start at one point or another, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.

    September 19, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Reply
  17. abel

    Unfortunately for us, our American government's foreign policy has been unduly influenced by Israeli interests which often run counter to the interests of our nation. Even worse,, religion, money, and the amazingly effective Israeli ability to manipulate our media, has crushed our ability to act in a logical and indepent manner. The chances that our foreign policy will return to be American are rather poor.

    September 18, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Reply
    • mehdi

      Us is in huge trouble, Israel is surrounded by its enemies..Once us falls to china and russia..

      September 19, 2011 at 2:29 am | Reply
      • Kevin

        Israel has always been surrounded by different today. The United States is not Israel's only friend, there are many. As far as anyone falling to China or Russia...get real or better yet, get informed.

        September 20, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • LocalYokel

      There is a reason why the term "Palestinian" is inextricably linked to the word "terrorist". The world doesn't search out Jews at airports, they search for Arabs. Palestinian terrorism started way before Israel took the West Bank from Jordan. No one expects it to end with statehood.

      September 19, 2011 at 10:27 am | Reply
      • mydogsays

        Palestinian statehood in the UN would mean Israel can no longer claim "immunity" for their war crimes.

        September 24, 2011 at 9:28 am |
    • Marsx

      Amen to all that.....the best logical and true analysis about Israel....its people, its politics and its golbal influence. Just keep in mind that about 17% of our Congress is ran by politicians whose forefathers claimed Israeli nationality......eventually...yes it will be Israel..which will throw USA into a World War III conflict and immesurable proportions and misery to humanity again......let's avoid another 'globel holocaust' and let the Palestinian have free and self determination in their own State...yes for Palestinian..State..!!

      September 21, 2011 at 1:05 am | Reply
  18. RH

    defintion of hamas :hamas is a terrorist organization recognized by the US,FRANCE,ENGLAND AND ISRAEL. they use their own civilians as human shields and they cheered when 9/11 happened,they throw big parties whenever their own people commit suicide bombs in israel. i dont know why this is making news, having a palestinian state is the same as having Sudan as a country, nothing good or positive will come out but only terror threats to the west and europe. having Abbas speak at the UN its like having OSama BIN LADEN speaking with president obama at the white house,its not right and he should be arrested on spot. its not a surprise that the UN alllows this when now the head of the security council is lebanon and iran and syria are on the human rights commission. it is just funny how we try to fight terrorists but then we invite them to our countries and the UN and we give them billions of dollars thinking it will help the civilians but instead that money permits hamas to continue with their terrorist activities and just help them get stronger

    September 17, 2011 at 9:17 am | Reply
  19. Cam Rankin

    I am not a big Israel supporter, but they did lose the war with Israel. With that being said, It is not our place as Americans to either support or defend the Palestinian Resolution. Palestinians are doing the right thing by going through diplomatic channels and not sending mortars over to kill innocent people. A majority of our country clearly doesn't want us to get involved in this diplomatic affair. If there are people getting killed yes we should do our best to calm the violence but this isn't our place to interfere.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:55 am | Reply
    • Jeremy

      umm.... to answer your question, yes their are still rockets and mortars falling into Israel. Let me ask you this, If mexico or canada shot rockets every so often into the CONUS, do you think we would just say, ahh these things happen. No we would do what Israel does and limit that ability. We would go in and occupy, find, and destroy that threat. If you allow a Palestinian State what happens when Hamas starts shooting 40 rockets into Israel. Does Israel just say, handle it Palestinian State or would they more likely go in and destroy that which is inflicting destruction? Then you have the issue of Israel fighting an actual "nation" which would Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Turkey ect... to side with Palestine. There is no peaceable solution here. No treaty that will end war quite simply because Palestine isn't held to the standard of a nation. Israel has every right to say well we gave you the chance to live there, but obviously it's a national security risk and you can't control your people from attacking us so then what you have Israel occupying an enemy state. Quite simply put, Israel has the power because they won the war. Therefore they should dictate how those people live. If Israel says Hamas can not be the power in charge then Hamas can not b the power in charge. It's one of the perks of winning the war.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:37 am | Reply
      • Mark Levy

        Hello Jeremy,

        Your comparison about Canada sending bombs in the USA with Palestine is completely mis-used! Palestine is under occupation, not Canada. I disagree with the use of violence and terrorist attacks (although the Fatah government now uses non violent means agains the occupation) but let me ask you this: The jewish people who wanted to push for the creation of Israel as a state, didn't they use violence and terrorism before 1947 in order to get a state?? read a bit and you will see. and also, Israel was created thanks to the General Assembly at the UN in 1947...without the UN, Israel would not exist!!very similar to what is happening now for Palestine!
        As a jew, I am for the creation of the state of Palestine, this is long OVERDUE!

        September 22, 2011 at 8:25 am |
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  20. jesus cristo

    The only things israel brings us is TROUBLE! I say not a cent more to israel and all countries. We have our own problems!

    September 16, 2011 at 11:58 pm | Reply
    • GENERAL Tom Callahan Retired US ARMY

      9/11 illustrated by israel dear friends dont let these zionist maniacs lead us to war with
      the innocent. Jews have always had trouble in the world and anyone who has held their hand
      has fallen! God gave them all signs and a great messiah MOSES, they even stoned him after all he did for them.
      Now its US, no matter what we do for them they will lead us in to hell..! PLEASE SAVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

      September 19, 2011 at 2:34 am | Reply
      • mandystewart

        Thanks for the honesty General ,

        Americans are in trouble, because we dont have any money to support ourselves..WHy should we continue
        to support Israel ..I ask the American Government What in the hell has the Israel state has done for our people, who are suffering from lack of MEDICAL BENEFITS AND JOBS..Israel has put together the Lavon affair and 9/11 , I was at ground zero on the anniversary of this sad moment...and many families who have lost ones want to be heard out..They all think the American government should investigate the real terrorists..which is ISRAEL!..

        September 19, 2011 at 2:44 am |
      • A real american

        Who do you think you two trolls fool? I'm sure that mandy's real name is Mohamed and the general real name is ahmed.
        Israel caused 9/11 ?!?!? are you for real? Bin laden himself took credit and you still blame Israel?!?!?

        Such is the way of Muslims. do something and then blame another.

        September 19, 2011 at 11:26 am |
      • j barsela

        Jews did not stone MOSES. Please do not distort history. and According to the Weizman – King Abdullah agreement in 1921 with the League of Nations JORDAN IS PALESTINE !
        I bet you are not really even an American !

        September 19, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
      • Kevin

        Well, "general", your ignorance is absolutely amazing. BTW I looked you up in the US Army bio database and to my surprise you weren't there. I would stop impersonating a US General before someone takes you seriously as a spy. Try getting an education, all military officers went to college and general officers even more. Your ignorance of current events shows you as you really are. Try reading the Bible if you want to quote from it, or at least ask a 6 year old what they know about Moses, since it is a heck of a lot more than you know. Moses led the Israelites out of bondage, but was not the messiah. He died on a mountain and only God knows the place. Unlike you, he was not stoned.

        September 20, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  21. Giuseppe B

    I hope sanity on both sides will prevail, enough is enough.

    September 16, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  22. lovepalestine

    goo...palestine, we're support your's freedoom

    September 16, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  23. sunny-in-texas

    I keep reading "why, oh why?" statements here, so here's another one: Why, oh why? are we still supporting a nation that can't support or defend itself based SOLELY on a religious book claiming God's preference for a race that has been discriminated against ever since by the very people claiming they have to protect those Chosen People. Give me a break. The same Christians who tell me they have to protect God's Chosen People despise the Jews "who killed Jesus". What am I not getting here?

    QUIT giving them our money (this applies to pretty much everywhere that gets hand outs as opposed to emergency funds) and let them fend for themselves. They didn't become a country yesterday! Either get it together or go under. That's the way it goes. Just ask the US.

    September 16, 2011 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Well, there are no US forces there propping up Israel, so they are fending for themselves. Why would we support a regime that uses religion to justify murdering non-muslim people? Why would we support a regime that refuses to negotiate a peace treaty or even providing guarantees that they will stop launching rockets into Israel? Why would we support a regime that has yet to reign in Hamas (terrorist organization) that, to this day, calls for the destruction of Israel? Why, oh why, are people trying to deny Israel's right to exist? Before Israel there was no Palestine, it was called Transjordan. Why are you supporting creating a nation that never existed before? Especially one that calls for the destruction of another nation? Israel is a democracy and a house of freedoms that none of its neighbors share. Why cut them down in favor of another authoritarian regime? We support them because we support freedom and individual liberies, ideas yet to materialize in the muslim world.

      September 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Reply
  24. Notislam

    No one should be supporting the islamic terrorist regime of the PA. The pals are Jordanians and Egyptians and should be sent home. islam is an abomination to humanity.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Reply
    • Fair Play Humanis

      You're a fuckin' ignorant idiot. The PA is not an Islamic Terrorist Group. The PA holds secular beliefs in regards to running a state, and this is something Islamic Terrorist groups like Al Qaida are against. Learn your shit you dumb bigot.

      September 16, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • AF

        Hamas won the last Palastenian elections. They are religious and are closely allied with the Muslim Brotherhood. They both believe that Islam must be forcefully dominate the world and are willing to die to accomplish this goal. They segregate and treate with horror non-Muslims.

        September 16, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
      • Big Ron

        Grow up. Your still talking like a baseball jock in High School. Hmmmm you probably are. Paliestine is trying to do this to take part of Israel's land. Palestine needs to stay in their own country and quit trying to steal other's land and call it their own. If Palestine does not like the Jewish people, simple solution, go the other way. Israel is the jewish peoples home, they have no other place to go, what do you want to do have them jump into the Sea????

        September 17, 2011 at 1:09 am |
      • Ben Franklin

        That's funny, you calling someone else a fuckin ignorant idiot. You either are highly selective in what you choose to remember of Palestinian history or simply are the real fuckin ignorant idiot in the conversation. In fact, if you were anymore ignorant than you appear, I'm guessing you would have to be watered twice a week.

        September 17, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
      • Ron

        You need to grow up, watch your language. There are some that actually went to school and learned English. You act like a child instead of expressing your thoughts clearly.

        September 22, 2011 at 3:32 am |
    • park

      well i don't think so....but islamics are very powerful that is true but.....the other things is israel is very powerful things too.....ok your right

      September 21, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  25. White Anglo Saxon Anti-Zionist from the South

    There comes a time when we have to stop holding Israel's hand. Now is the time to tell them, "you are on your own!"

    September 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  26. james

    Why not statehood for Palestine? Israel received statehood, now it's Palestine's turn. Or doesn't Israel believe in fair play?

    September 16, 2011 at 10:41 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      The Palestinians don't want just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, they want ALL of Israel.

      September 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm | Reply
      • Greg Gilbert

        And some of Israeli's want Palestine, but they still got their state. No country is perfect and it is dumb to expect Arabs to become something they are not to get their state.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:05 am |
      • amy ANDERSON

        I FEEL SORRY FOR OUR NATION!...WE ARE blinded by the zionist jewish media and
        by lies and propaganda of ISRAEL!..Our nation is in deep trouble!..China and the rest of the world is just
        standing and war 3 will begin...its gonna be just us and israel and great britian against the world.
        We cant afford this..fighting the whole world!!!!

        September 19, 2011 at 2:38 am |
      • amy ANDERSON

        I FEEL SORRY FOR OUR NATION!...WE ARE blinded by the zionist jewish media and
        by lies and propaganda of ISRAEL!..Our nation is in deep trouble!..China and the rest of the world is just
        standing and war 3 will begin...its gonna be just us and israel and great britian against the world.
        We cant afford this..fighting the whole world!!!! WE ARE BROKE AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF ISRAEL!!

        September 19, 2011 at 2:39 am |
    • AF

      The Palastenians were offered statehood with israel in 1947. Instead they set to go to war against israel to murder all the Jews. Fortunatley they lost that war.

      September 16, 2011 at 11:51 pm | Reply
      • Greg Gilbert

        If you would of killed them all so they can't complain I would be fine. But the US doesn't own Afghanistan now because we got attacked by it. Why do you think any action that Palestine did,that you don't like is a reason to take their land.

        September 17, 2011 at 12:07 am |
      • Batya

        Your history is incorrect. Palestine was never offered statehood, but instead was offered concessions. Mearning, that Palestine had to do things a certain way, not their way in order to be allowed to survive. Palestine is the world's largest prison. Many innocents living there with hardly any food or sanitary conditions, yet alone with a roof on their heads that they do not have to worry about being killed. Yes, it is a two-way street. I have lived in Israel for many years. What people in the USA get as 'news' is not always true. One must see past the world wide net and one sided news to see the full picture. Shalom

        September 20, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  27. slomoven

    All them czars and no thinkers. Does anyone in the O administration consider consequences? It appears being liberal is the only requirement to work in the WH.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Reply
  28. Dave

    These folks would have had their own state decades ago if they hadn't been so busy killing civilians on buses and resorts.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Reply
  29. I am American

    Why we American still supports country far far away, while we are still livin in uncertainty?... We are in imminent bankrupcy and the only one who thrust us to buy our bonds still the China not the Zionist country nor the zionist supporters..... So be good to China and dopnt bother with them.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      You call China – China, because they buy our bonds, and Israel cannot buy our bonds, that's why you call it Zionist state, right ? You are trying to put a very negative meaning in "zionist", but for millions this word is more than positive, millions are proud to be called zionists. It's a biblical mount of Zion, where Jews lived thousands of years before tribes of arab nomades settled there and now claiming it. Your state probably has "Mount Zion Hospitals, Mount Zion Churches. So , keep calling the State of Israel ' a "zionist state", it makes me and thousand supporters of this nation proud.

      September 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Who are you kidding? Learn to write first before posting comments for the world to see. Then, if you get a chance, learn something about what you are planning on posting before making a fool of yourself. China buys bonds just like everyone else does, and we buy there bonds as well. The only reason you know anything about China is because it was in the news. China is not our threat, only a threat to the peace-loving democracies in the pacific, which we support, even though they are far, far away. We support the nations that take care of their people because the authoritarian nations are repressive and deny people their most inalienable rights. We support Israel because they are a democracy.

      September 20, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Reply
  30. 2011cnn2011

    Moses killed to defend dopes are nothing but murderers of innocent people...the silent majority of the world cant stand you people....and will defend Israel

    September 16, 2011 at 8:47 pm | Reply
  31. Patrick

    It is bewildering why many Jewish in NYC consider Obama "hostile" to Israel! What more can he do? You tell me. As for Palestinians going to the UN to try to get statehood status before all the land is settled, I am glad that they are trying a peaceful approach. I hope that it gets them somewhere. I know that there are Israelis that sympathize but they get no press on it outside Israel. Read Ha'artz to get an even handed look. God bless the peacemakers. God bless the meek for they shall inherit the earth. Everybody else has to get off our land. 🙂

    September 16, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Obama is hostile to Israel because he made reckless comments that allowed the P.A. to walk out of the established peace process in favor of forcing a recognition of a state without providing any guarantees to the safety of its neighbors. Hamas, which is now part of the P.A. still calls for the destruction of Israel-this sounds like a declaration of war should P.A. gain statehood. If Obama had let the peace process work, P.A. and Israel would have had to iron out their differences under the guidance of the UN. Now that process is dead. Israel is willing to talk, P.A. is not because they feel empowered by Obama. BTW, Abbas was the first person Obama called when he became President. What message does that send to the rest of the world? Our closest allies for 200 years didn't get a call, our Asian partners worth trillions of dollars in trade didn't get a call, nope, but M. Abbas got the call and promise of support during last year's UN assembly and Israel got the shaft. Years of trying to get their neighbors to quit calling for their destruction tossed out the window by a Hostile Obama. That's why he is considered hostile.

      September 20, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  32. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    who started it? Seriously? Are we in preschool? And just because a person disagrees with the choices of a Israel's government doesn't mean the person "hates the Jews". That is such an absurd way of trying to discredit other's views.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  33. LV

    Why do so many people hate the Jews? How many wars have the Jews started? Zero.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Reply
    • A real american

      Also how many terrorist attacks on Americans by Jews? Zero.

      September 19, 2011 at 11:31 am | Reply
    • Halcyon0372

      Thats an ignorant statement. People are sick of Israel, as an irresponsible, oppresive regional superpower that has clearly enjoyed a one-sided existance for decades. People are tired of having to live in a world where ironies stare you in the face and you have to accept them- Palestians ask for Recognition, Israel objects, a country who,s core demand has been that the Palestinians recognize it. Many are fedup with claims to land procured by war, and/or through devine assignment. Jews are people born into Judeasim. Once you figure out the difference, you'll see the world doesnt hate Jews, it just hates slave keepers who claim to be devout religous folk.

      September 22, 2011 at 1:18 am | Reply
  34. r b

    Give the pa what they give Israel. One rocket declare war. Once they are a state at least maybe the will follow the Geneva convention. Gilat Shalit held for years without access to red cross or any other humanitarian group. If Israel did anything like that the world would freak out. Then again it is known the majority of the world is anti Isreal. But we will stand tall and free, and destroy any arab nation that threatens our safety

    September 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Reply
  35. LV

    Who supplies water, electricity, currency and banking to the PA? Israel. And they should just turn off the PA right away. Let them declare they are a state. Then, next rocket is an act of war, and then the end of the PA and Hamas. They earned that fate.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Reply
  36. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    *banging head off of counter* Chosen according to _your_ _personal__choice_ of _belief_ in a _particular book_ . Can you not come up with something based in present reality to support your view?

    September 16, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Reply
  37. r b

    I say blow up gaza and west bank. Problem solved. before everyone jumps down my throat that was a joke. But that is exactly what hamas is saying about Israel, and no one seems to say anything.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Reply
  38. IshmaelvsIssaac

    the palestinians have been offered land in the past for statehood ... and have consistently declined ... because statehood is not their real goal.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Reply
    • levend

      You sure! the settlements seem to be growing so are you just giving them back the land taken by force?

      September 16, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Reply
  39. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    Well, my book says that land really belongs to the I guess you're all outta luck.

    September 16, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Reply
    • LV

      Go learn how all of those people got to Israel, when and why. Then, go rail on Germany and every other country which caused Israel to exist, and the UN which recognized it, and every country which attacked Israel. The Jews never started any war. The Jews didn't choose to move to Israel, they had no choice after WWII. Even our so-called 'allies' were not going to give displaced returning Jews their own homes back. Israel knows how to fight. Now, they will have a defined enemy.

      September 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Reply
  40. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    So...unless someone believes in a book..they are somehow without reason, compassion or logic? That's a very interesting understanding of the world...This may come as a shock to you, but some of us are able to be good people because it's the logical conclusion we come to. Not because we read fairy tales or are told we will be punished after we die...but just because it's a nice way to live.

    September 16, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Reply
    • clark1a

      that is only true if you are one with ultimate authority to define "good". Or do each of us get to define "good" in our own way?

      September 16, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      What fairy tails. Everyday science is proving different accounts in the Bible occurred. How is that a fairy tale. You are good because "something" tells you to be good. You call it a logical decision. It's still a moral choice to be good or not. Humans are not moral or good by nature, so where is the moral authority coming from to tell you to be good?

      September 20, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Reply
  41. Laura

    This is the right move of the Palestinians. UN should recognize Palestine as the state and then through negotiations between Israel and Palestine resolve all “outstanding issues such as final border demarcation, the status of Jerusalem, and the status of Palestinian refugees”. It will give a new impulse of the peace process in the Middle East and help people to overcome despair and hopelessness – the breeding ground for terrorism. The same UN can be the guarantor of safety of Israel. Enough playing games, let’s give a real chance for the peace in the Middle East, we can’t allow to negotiate for another 63 years and observe how blood innocent people spilled on the both sides of this conflict.

    September 16, 2011 at 5:44 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      There will never be peace in the middle east until the P.A. recognizes Israel's right to exist. Why can't they do that first? There calls for Israel's destruction amount to a declaration of war, and the first rocket fired into Israel without a peace guarantee should be seen as an act of war and dealt with in kind. Is that really what you want for PA? They will lose more than they ever thought they would gain but starting a legitimate no-holds barred war with Israel.

      September 20, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Reply
  42. minou

    now thats interesting from the united states ... who tries to look moderate vis a vis human rights ... darfur region ...
    they just wanted to divide and conquere sudan ... they dont really care about iraq or somalians or sudanese .. democracy crap stories ...who told you thnat obama wasnt held at gunpoint by army generals ...
    too bad arabs dont see that ... you would die anyway so why not fight them back... patroling your seas and harrassing you with economic sanctions .... or it magic that arabs cannot act together because shias or sunnis haters ?
    step 1 : cut off all ties with enemy
    step 2 : create a united arab army
    step 3 : create a common passport

    September 16, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Reply
  43. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    What exactly is it that the United States gains by being Israel's puppet?

    September 16, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Reply
  44. Me

    Shame on the United States for treating Israel like a group of children for so long. These two sides must be allowed to work out their differences without outside intervention. It is time for the parents to let the child grow up and fight his own battles.

    September 16, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Israel has fought its own wars. We only act as an intermediary because THEY asked us back in the 70s-remember the Camp David accords? We helped them sit down and talk out their differences and then THEY determined peace was in their best interests. See, no more war with Egypt and Jordan. That's what missing here. The P.A. is so hell bent on the destruction of Israel (read the Hamas charter)(yes, they are part of the P.A. now) that they refuse to settle into peace negotiations. Why don't you condemn those that refuse peace and would rather launch raids into Israel and murder its people?

      September 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm | Reply
  45. Historian 22

    Mr. Jones, your refusal to answer simple questions is typical of a person who misleads and/or lies and is unwilling to face a person with facts and history on his side. Calling a person biased instead of answering simple questions is cowardly and goes a long way to expose the nature and bearing of the feeble minds who are on your side of the fence. Answer the questions, defend your position and help me destroy your "scholarly" positions regarding the plights of the Palestinians....

    September 16, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  46. AL999

    It really doesn't matter who or what people occupied the land encompassing Israel and the Palestinian territories thousands of years ago. What matters is how to achieve peace now. Peace can only be achieved through direct talks between the Israeli and Palestinian leaders. Perhaps, other entities can be a helpful influence such as the US, EU, Russia, Arab League and even the UN. However, nothing will really change until Israelis and Palestinians compromise and recognize each others' legitimate rights, borders, security arrangements, individual land ownership and status in Jerusalem. Unfortunately, it may take a change in leadership for both sides, some pressure from the US, and even an ultimate threat from Iran to make this happen. In the process, G-d help us, what may hang in the balance is not only ME peace, but the survival of mankind.

    September 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Reply
  47. Zoglet

    If America backs Israel, it will have completely isolated itself in the middle east and will have done irrepairable damage to its image internationally. It will only be Israel and the US who oppose a Palestinian state -the irony is, all American presidents , including this one, have publicly supported the idea of a just and fair two state solution. Now it looks like that support was hollow rhetoric and the US itself is actively suppressing Palsrinian hopes for statehood. The Palestinains cannot be expected to wait another 60years for their state,whilst Israel takes more territory andbuilds more settlements and carves deeper into the remianing Palestinian territories. No body deserves this treatment. The US should do what it says it favors- support a just and fair Palestinian state!

    September 16, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Reply
    • Dawn

      I agree!!!

      September 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Reply
    • TheTruth72

      Nope. You're wrong. There is another nation that has said they would vote against a Palestinian state. Also, you sound like you are scared if they are isolated in the middle east. Why is that? Is it because Palestinians can't let go of a grudge and have to kill innocents, forcing Israel to retaliate?

      September 16, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        I don't see how defending the land being taken from you by your neighbors is considered "unable to let go of a grudge". Isreal keeps on with its destruction of villiages and builds homes for its own people. Isreal keeps on depriving food, medical supply and water entry into Gaza. Are these conditions to just let go of a grudge? It speaks volumes that people will continue to unite and resist the evils by the people holding (US funded) AK-47 and tanks while their homes and schools are being destroyed. Palestinian people deserve our prayers and support.

        September 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • 2011cnn2011

      You palastinians are all ball busters...they give you an inch , you cry for another foot! The Jews are Gods chosen people(im a Christian). God promised his chosen people the Jews, Israel.....Why doesnt the Arab world with all its land and $$ help you??
      Your so worried about little Israel..its your own Arab world that has spited you. The vast Arab world and all there oil $$, and they wont help you...
      They make you avoid that fact by having you angry at the US and Israel...

      September 16, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        It doesn't make sense asking any other nation to provide a new home for people or money. All they are doing is defending the land that they were born in, and have the homes they have deeds to. If you had a thorn stuck in your hip, would you complain and try to cure it with meds or try pulling the thorn out. I agree Israel is Gods chosen land. But there is NO excuse for the inhumanities the Isreali regime is responsible for. Justice will be handled by the man upstairs though. Palestinians and Jews alike deserve freedom from oppression and tyranny.

        September 16, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • LV

      That's just PC junk taught on university campuses by arrogant self-important people with comfy easy jobs. Israel is the only democracy in the region. You do realize you are saying we should back police states and crazy sharia law touting tyrants over a democracy, right? We have to pick whom we support. I choose the democracy. You choose nothing.

      September 16, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        This is not PC tought at some university. Mine is the opinion of someone who lives there and seen the oppression first hand. Yours is the opinion of one who is naive to what is going on there. But how could anyone know that its not all muslim radicals there. I'm Christian and seen more non-violent protests and movements in palestine than took place in the civil rights movements. Also last I checked, Palestine is run under an democracy. A pretty legit one to that matter.
        The fact is Israel has purposely destroyed numerous Palestinian villiages, deprived people of incoming food, clothes, and medical supplies while they build a great wall around them. Then they have the gaul to call them terrorists when they are backed into a corner. The Palestinians resolve– to continue to defend its land and families against AK's using the rocks beneath their feet–should be commended not mocked. Israel is the one acting in a Nazi-esq fashion and the whole world knows it. I know Sharia extremest exist( and its a shame), but it is much of a smaller minority than anyone watching our media could ever know. Also it could only grow with greater oppression and people running out of options. But truly Israel is selling an image that they have to defend itself...against those "bottle rockets" right? Isreal has no remorse to drop its 5 ton bombs on Palestinian villages. Seriously who's the real terrorist people?

        September 16, 2011 at 9:48 pm |
  48. Historian 22

    Mr. Jones, please explain the primary methods through which a people "embrace" or "convert" to Islam. If your answer doesn't include forced conversion, ethnic cleansing, massive birth rates among muslims, forced emigration and submission of non-muslims or a 100% rejection of social & religious ideas other than those commanded by Mohommad, we'll know that you are NOT a scholar at all.

    September 16, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
    • mr. Jones

      i accept that according to you i am no scholar. But attacking me does not change reality. It is obvious that you has some pre existing bias that does not allow you to look at this objectively

      September 16, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Reply
  49. mr. Jones

    mr.jones has a masters degree in middle east history from brown university. Attacking the messenger does not affect the message. The plain fact is that even if a group from africa conqured and occupied modern day israel 3000 years ago. This in no logical way inplies OWNERSHIP of the land by some foreign group from europe. It is painstaikingly obvious that the land belongs to the farmers that live there (palestinians) who by the way d.n.a. Tests show are descended from that semetic tribe in africa (hebrews) that occupied the land back then. Unfourtunately for people like you who ignore facts, there is zero evidence that those people ever left. Simply the majority of them embraced islam after jerusalem was liberated from the pagan romans by the second caliph umar

    September 16, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Reply
    • LV

      Every border in the world was won during a war, was it not? Why don't you roll the world clock back, redraw everyone's border? Why just Israel? All too easy, isn't it, when you single out one.

      September 16, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      OK Mr. Masters Degree from Brown University, prior to Israel, the land in question was called Transjordan, not Palestine. That is a fact you could do research on. When Israel was established, Transjordan went to war with Israel and lost the West Bank. Later, the Jordanians quit claiming the land and they ceded it to Israel. This isn't ancient history university man, and logic would support that Israel now owns the land. By the way, you should probably use spell check or at least try to write like you have an education.

      September 20, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Reply
  50. SHAUN

    When one loses a war, they sue for peace...and accept the terms of the victors of that war (e.g. when the Japanese lost WW2 to America they were forced to accept America's terms and conditions for ending the war). How is it that after losing the 1948 war, the 1956 war, the 1967 war and the 1973 war with Israel, the Arab world collectively (and particularly the Palestinians) feel entitled to DEMAND and/or state ANY pre-conditions to negotiating a settlement of the conflict with Israel? Ironically, it was Israel that wanted (and still wants) to live in peace in the region and have diplomatic ties with the entire Arab world....and that is why Israel accepted the UN partition plan originally (1947) and, even affter defeating Egypt in 1973 still gave back Sinai in exchange for peace....and secured a peace treaty with Jordan also. Israel has repeatedly proven its desire, and its ability, to provide peace to any country that genuinely wants peace with Israel and a normalisation of diplomatic relations. How can Israel be expected to give up any territory to Abbas, who refuses to merely acknowledge Israel's right to exist as a Jewsih state for the Jewish people, and who openly declares his desire to form a unity with Hammas (who to this day has the avowed mission to destroy Israel completely)?

    September 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      INn67, the green line weas established .. and Israel agreed to that line.

      September 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Jesuspeace

      I'm sorry, but you are clearly mistaken on your facts. Abbas was on record today in fact speaking of how he doesn't mind having the Jewish people there. Only the very few radicals will not accept the legitimacy of Israel. But it is delusional to think Israel is in search of peace by merely looking at their actions toward depriving the basic necessities of life toward the palestinian people. In fact, many of these latest regime's have gone out of their way to dehumanize the people in Gaza. 1. denying entry of rescue aid from other countries 2. bombing schools, villiages and all infrastructure in response to rocks being thrown by people defending their land, deeds in hand. Arabs and Jews had no problems living together untill these regimes took command.

      September 16, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Reply
      • 2011cnn2011

        and yet you all stand by and do nothing, while this minority gives the do nothing!

        September 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
      • Kevin

        No, you are dillusional. The Abbas government includes Hamas as a partner and they state their goal is for the destruction of Israel. Can't have it both ways. He says one thing and then allows his "people" to do the opposite. Israel is not bombing schools or busses, but the terrorists aligned with the PA are. Read the news and get some information before making stupid statenments in favor of terrorism supported by the PA.

        September 20, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • Dan

      The problem is Israel keeps stopping short of actually FINISHING those wars in an effort to work out a peaceful solution. I was hoping that with Netanyahu back in power, Israel might actually move forward with finishing off the fakestinians once and for all, but now he keeps backing from achieving a final victory as well. VERY disappointing. He's even stated in public that he supports a fakestinian state!!! Is he CRAZY??? Netanyahu has betrayed Israel and has GOT to go! What we need now is a man like Baruch Marzel in office. He knows how to deal with fakestinians!

      September 16, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        You see! This "we are above other mentality is why the whole world is against Israel" What is truly shocking is how identical this sounded to Nazi germany talk. Its truly remarkable and saddening at the same time. Palestinian oppression and degradation is in the hands of people who think exactly as you do. I wish peace to both sides as it was before the Isreali regimes... Jews, Christians and muslims living together is possible, just stop ethnically clensing people. Its not that hard!!

        September 16, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
  51. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    Oh! I get it now! It's the land god gave to Israel! It all makes sense now...

    September 16, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Reply
  52. r b

    As a proud Israeli I say give them the land. Let 1 rocket fly then just declare war take back the land since then according to international law it will be ours period. Since it will be a war between nations. Remember we are the only democracy in the area.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Reply
    • SHAUN

      I would tend to agree....however our experience with Gaza proves that even then, the world will not accept Israel's right to defend itself militarily by attacking back in self defense. The Palestinians have therefore proven to Israel that she has nothing to gain by giving them land to control (as an independent state or otherwise) the threat will always be over Israel's head that rockets and missiles and terrorism will rain down on her once the Palestinians have control of the territory. In the case of the West Bank, this is much more stark a threat than from that territory they (back by their Arab brethren) will be able to hit ANYWHERE in Israel. The Israelis will be subjeted to living 24 hours per day in bomb-shelters...and the world will condemn Israel, as usual, should she react to the rockets or missiles. That is an existential threat to Israel's very existence and would be suicide on her part...

      September 16, 2011 at 4:16 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        This just seems like pure emotional exaggetattion. Israel defending itself from what? Being from that area as a Christian I see both sides. I have known Israelis and Arabs getting along just fine. It is when you move into peoples homes hours after you destroyed century old limestone homes and uproot field of olive trees that have fed generations. It is only then do people grow tired, and when those attacking you have AK's and tanks, one can only comply or fight back.
        So I laugh when you said Isrealis should live in bomb shelters. Not only do those Palestinains fight with what ever they can, those "bottle rockets" are nothing like those precision rockets (that are funded by the US) and can devastate entire cities and anhilate any inhabitants in the area. Yes, I whole heartily agree if there is a two state solution, peace must evident by both sides. It may take time, but PLEASE do not make it seem like the Isreali's are the victim here. Isreali's have not known a fraction of the oppression that the Palestinians have felt.

        September 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • Steve

      Is Israel erecting an Iron Curtain?

      September 16, 2011 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • A real american

      Not a very smart Idea. You pulled from Gaza and got rockets for it, then you attacked and pulled back because the entire world was against you and what did you got in return? more rockets on civilians.
      It wouldn't be any different now.

      September 19, 2011 at 11:35 am | Reply
  53. Historian 22

    Whoops! I'll provide a list of countries whose populations are 98% MUSLIM or greater....

    September 16, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Reply
  54. carmen Ramire

    There is no way God will allow the land he gave to Israel to be sliced up and given away.... the palestinians can have thier statehood...somewhere else!!!

    September 16, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Reply
    • Semper Fidelis

      Good post carmen. Peace.

      September 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  55. Londonboy69

    Fck Palestinians, they are ALL terrorists

    September 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Reply
  56. JOE

    What's so difficult? America put a man on the moon. We built floating bridges on the Atlantic to drive tanks into Normandy to liberate France. We invaded germany and about every other country in the modernized world in the name of either colonization or to ruth out evil and restore or build democracy. And it goes on and on and on. It's not difficult1 If America really wants to resolve this conflict, the can within a month. Remember Bosnia? Well, the oppressed were white Muslims. But in the Middle East the oppresed are non white dark skinned Palestinians. That's the whole difference.

    It's time that the West and Israel stop using hamas as an excuse to block a peaceful accord. So why wasn't peace accomplished before hamas even existed. America it's time to stop playing the race game and live up to the true meaning of your creed. Let's face it, global terrorism is linked to this crisis and billions of our dollars are at consumed by this Israeli nation that seems to not care at all about the lives of Americans that are compromised because of their ignorence and selfishness. America, please do you frigging job once and for all and stop wavering and making frigging excuses.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Reply
    • Dan Jones

      The difficulty comes in with the fact that the Palestinians aren't interested in a peaceful accord. A recent US humanitarian run poll of West Bank Palestinians asked them the following question, "would you be willing to accept a two state solution?" The answer was that over 70% said the only way they would accept a two state solution is if it was a temporary measure that facilitated Israel being destroyed and the establishment of a single Palestinian state in it's place. YOu can not accuse Israel of blocking a peace that is not being offered.

      September 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
      • Jesuspeace

        But you can blame Israel for dropping 5 ton bombs on villiages, bull dozing Palestinian homes and olive trees that fed people for centuries, instilled random checkpoints that deny people the right to travel. Not to mention denying entry of food, water, clothes and medical supplies to millions in Gaza. But I guess they are just not worth anything. Thats according to the words and actions of ariel sharon. Who's the real terrorist, the person who won't stop taking peoples homes or the people who fight back? don't be naiive people.

        September 16, 2011 at 9:56 pm |
      • Semper Fidelis

        To the poster below – the Israelis made it clear to the Arafat and the current leadership; to the people by way of verbal and written notifications, that ANYONE who used their house to launch or support attacks on Israel would be bulldozed.

        The ONLY houses that were bulldozed were destroyed because the Palestinians CHOSE to ignore the warnings. Then of course, they whine.

        Simple choice – if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you are going to comment, the truth is fine! BS is not.

        September 17, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • Kevin

        Look at the fictional dillusional world Jesuspeace lives in. Everyone LOOK! He claims Israel has a 5 ton bomb they drop on Palestinian homes. That's amazing since one doesn't exist. Our largest bomber carried 2000 pound bombs which is only a ton. Quit making up stuff and talk with some integrity, if you can find some...

        September 20, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • livinfree

      you say Israelis don't care about the safety of Americans. Hogwash. I think the average Israeli lives under a lot more risk than most Americans.

      September 16, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  57. Historian 22

    Will the Atheistextremist please provide a contemporary example of the genocide perpetrated by those who identify themselves primarily as Jews and Christians. In response, I will provide a list of countries whose populations are 98% or greater. If we have an understanding of the goals of genocide, you may recognise the "successes" realized by Islam.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  58. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    Are you implying that Israel somehow helps us out? Please elaborate....

    September 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  59. Jesse

    Everyone calm down. You are yapping away at ridiculous paces and aren't getting your words (or spelling) out correctly. This is a ridiculously difficult case. If Israel can feel comfortable supporting a Palestinian State that does NOT recognize Hamas (which, remember, isn't just a terrorist organization but also a political faction – very well received in politics, at that), then I say go for it. Who knows? This has been going on for a long time and probably won't see an end for a lot more time. Let's just pray no more innocents have to die for either population's desires.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  60. Simon Cohen

    After 63 years Palestinians don't have a state and that is not because of Israel. It was a deliberate choice of Arab countries in 1948 not to establish Palestinian state and not to recognize but to attack Israel. The Arabs (and the Palestinians) will never admit that they screwed it up from the beginning. They started and lost several more wars trying to “liberate” Palestine when in fact the Palestine should be part of Jordan. Historically, when you start a war and you lose, you pay. That is the situation and there is nobody else to blame but the Arabs and the Palestinians themselves.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
    • livinfree

      For those who doubt this you can find articles in the Arab newspapers from the late 1940s and early 1950s corroborating what Simon has written.

      September 16, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Reply
  61. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    Obama should put on his big boy pants and tell Israel that if they don't start acting like grown ups and actually negotiate, he'll recognize Palestine with the 67 borders in 6 months.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  62. JPRGuest

    Why can Israel and the Palestinians with UN oversight/strong direction not agree and enforce: declare the West Bank an independent Palestinian state now with East Jerusalem as the capital, accept the borders as they are today, pay financial compensation to refugees, but do not give them the right to return to Israel, only to the new West Bank Palestinian state and annex Gaza to Egypt permanently, paying Egypt for managing and integrating Gaza into Egypt. It may not be perfect, but it is workable, practical and you have two viable states that can cooperate, collaborate and thrive.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Reply
  63. SHAUN

    where was "the palestinian cause" between 1948 and 1967? Egypt controlled/ occupied Gaza and Jordan controlled/ occupied the West Bank (incl East Jerusalem) over those 19 years...but there was no cause or calls to create an independent Palestinian state in those areas. The reason is that the Palestinians were not a separate ethnic nationality to their Arab brothers in the region....and as long as the Arabs controlled those areas they were fine to live without having a separate Paletinian state....and were simply intent on destroying the neighbouring Jewish state of Israel at all costs. They tried, they lost....and then when they realised that they could not militarily defeat Israel, they resorted to fabricating the Palestinians as a separate "nation" that was suddenly occupied....

    September 16, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Reply
    • Al

      Thank you for you rposting. For those who diagree, have no clue of history.

      September 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • MIchael

      Finally, someone said it. Good Job! So True!

      September 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Reply
    • livinfree


      September 16, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • Jesuspeace

      Well, people in the area were getting along reasonably well. The call for a Palestinian state got much more heated when Israeli army attempted to (and still is) ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. I think that would call for an uproar any where in the world..

      September 16, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Reply
      • 2011cnn2011

        Dont be naive....

        September 16, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
      • Kevin

        Don't be stupid. Israel is not targeting any Palestinians, only the criminal terrorist that are hell bent on their destruction and deny their right to exist. The Arabs target the Israelis SOLELY because they are Jewish. They ARE targeted and every attack is an attempt to ethnically cleanse the world of Jews.

        September 20, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  64. JIMBOB

    'British Record on Partition'. Read it.

    The Muslims and their lying apologists are the new nazis, just as they were the past nazis (during WWII).

    September 16, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  65. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist're okay with supporting murder and genocide as long as it's being committed by Jews and Christians?

    September 16, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Reply
    • MIchael

      Tell the Palestinians and Hezbollah et al to stop putting bomb factories in or near hospitals and residential areas and stop putting their own people in harms way, Israeli's are not interested in Genocide as the Arabs are. Go visit Hadassah hospital in Israel and you will see how many arabs are being taken care of. Israeli soldiers are known for helping injured arabs in conflict vs syria, hezbollah or any other arab fighter who would give no medical help to their enemy. Clueless people who talk rubbish....

      September 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      So you're ok with lobbing rockets into a school bus or attacking a resort?

      September 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Reply
  66. Historian 22

    Abbas's Palestinian government signed a Unity pact with Hamas in May of this year. Hamas stated goals are to destroy Isreal and kill all Zionists (Isrealis) and you think that unity government wants peace. Anyone supporting the Abbas/Hamas government in any endeavor aligns themselves with murderers and genocidal Islamists. It's that simple....

    September 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • MIchael

      It is quite amazing that with know fact that Hamas wants to destroy Israel that all these UN countries are so willing to support that kind of state. It defies logic, just like when Iran was going to be in charge of the UN commission on womens rights. This time however the mere fact that major countries support this is really scary but then again Russia supports the current syrian regime. Makes you wonder about this world we live in.

      September 16, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  67. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    *side note* If everyone is so concerned about our spending and we need to cut wherever we can, why not stop sending billions to Israel?

    September 16, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Reply
  68. SearchingForAnAtheistExtremist

    I'm glad Palestine is doing this. I wish the US government would stop being Israel's puppet.

    September 16, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Of course, since you are an atheist, and there is no consequence to any action taken, even if the US is Israel's puppet, it would be of no consequence one way or the other. No god. No morality. No basis to object.

      September 16, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Reply
  69. BobA

    If peace and recognition is really what the Israelis want, then they should be happy to see this. Abbas has built a credible government, reigned in violence in the territory he controls, and been non-inflammatory and reasoned in his public statements. He is staking a lot on this move, but if successful it will further isolate Hamas. It seems amazing to me that many commenting on this do not realize the rockets come from Hamas, not Abbas. Minor spelling difference – big philosophical difference.

    But the big question is the IF. The current Israelis right-wing government is controlled by the minority religious right, who truly believe it is their God-given right to subjugate the Palestinians and take all of the land and water. Israel took the land by the sword in Old Testament days and assume that confers their ownership now. Supporting them is the corporate right, who have a great source of cheap labor for the dirty jobs in Israel. Do they really want peace? I am not confident in that.

    The US has spent trillions of dollars fighting wars, trying to protect against terrorism, and nearly bankrupting the country in the process. 90% of this could probably have been averted by taking a firmer line with Israelis intransigence, including cutting funding, but mostly not squandering every opportunity to advance justice and gain credibility with the middle east majority by standing up for the fairness principles that are in your own constitution.

    September 16, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Al

      Great......cut funding for the only true ally the U.S. has in the Middle East. What's the plan then? Hook up with Hamas to fight terrorism?

      September 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Reply
      • Steve

        What ally in the M.E. are you speaking?

        You reversed the "ally Portion.. America befriends Israel', but Israel befriends no one, only the facade of it for self-interest. Situational ethics.

        September 16, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  70. Steve

    Let us say the '67 borders are unrealistic. what woul no doubt be best is to set borders in some fashion to make contingent states.. and thats difficult to do. it would require a lot of migrations

    September 16, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Al

      The Golan Heights is a strategic position for an enemy to launch an almost undefendable attack. It's kind of like saying "let's give Al Queada access to Ground Zero, bacause we can trust them to not attack us again." Not too smart, huh?

      September 16, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  71. Santiago

    If Israel gives away the West Bank to the PA won't be able to defend itself, because we are talking about the mountains of Judea and Samaria, it would be like you trying to defend your home from a terrorist sniper on your rooftop and you are in the basement!

    September 16, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Reply
    • Elizabeth

      You can't shoot someone in a basement from the roof of the same house...i diot

      September 16, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        Congratulations for sinking so low that you chose to call him and idiot, and completely ignored the point about an undefendable border. While this doesn't prove you are an idiot, it does prove that your mouth is unleashed, and your brain is unused.

        September 16, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
      • Kevin

        Gee, I think I could based on the shape of my house. I supposed you feel better calling people names, but I think we know all about you now Elizabeth. I can't make any sense so let me call someone a name. Grow up.

        September 20, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
  72. James

    If the Germans managed to win WW2 and annexed 90% of France to this day. Would you say that about the Germans? That the French resistance should stop fighting and recognize the new Germany that includes most of former France?

    September 16, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • Ari

      On the contrary, if Germany (i.e. Arab Nations and Palestine) attacked France (Israel) and by some miracle France defeated its invaders would they be obligated to return the land won over fighting people who attacked them? And if you think they should return the land, they should only do so in a manner that could ensure that something like this would not happen again, for example keeping some of the new territories in order to ensure safety first peace after.

      September 16, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  73. Historian 22

    Read real history, get a Middle East map and begin to educate yourselves. The reality is that Islamic expansion, oppression, and manipulation are never ending and press forward on any front available. The division and destruction of Isreal is Islam's main goal. Palestenians and the UN are pawns in the larger game.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • mr. Jones

      you left out facts buddy. You sound like glenbeck or some bufoon. You zionist appologists seem to always avoid facts

      September 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Reply
      • MIchael

        You need to start watching videos of Imans around the world who are actually saying we will take over the world etc etc. Search you tube etc and you will find them. You think Saudia Arabia building many many schools in America but not allowing other religions in their country is not a clue. They are patient in their quest to make the world muslim

        September 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Al

      Mr. Jones: With all due respect, you could use a lesson or two on the history of the Middle East, because it's blatantly obvious you do not know or care about the facts.

      September 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  74. Bbo

    Hate to drop tricky little historical facts but jewish bedouin tribes took over that region from the canaanites about 4000 years ago making them rightful occupiers not the palestians

    September 16, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Reply
    • Howard

      Even if we exceeded to ALL the demands of the CORRUPT Palestinian regime, they would still continue to send lethal rockets into Israel, kidnap innocent Israelis, and kill Israeli civilians. These lying criminals can't be trusted !!! Why throw one of our most loyal democratic ally's under the bus, in exchange for supporting a sharia country that cheered when 3000+ Americans were murdered on 9-11 ???

      September 16, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Reply
      • Ray

        Why are you speaking only from the Israeli point of view? Why don't you open your eyes and see what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians? These Israelis are creating too many problems for the world. THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

        September 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • mr. Jones

      sounds like you got fact and fiction confused. Nobody in there right mind thinks that your bible equates a land deed. Tell me you are not that foolish?

      September 16, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        And yet you are so foolish as to claim that ownership of the land indisputable belongs to the Palestinians ? Even though they didn't exist as a recognized peoples when Israel was created ? And it is not simply the bible, you fraud of a historian, but it is the undeniable archaeological and historic evidence that there was a Jewish kingdom in Israel for 1000 years up until the expulsion by the Romans. And it is not simply the pre-expulsion basis for a right of ownership. There has been continuous Jewish presence in the land for over half a millenium, as well as the fact that much of the land was willingly sold (another basis of ownership) to Jews, by Arabs who laughingly considered the land non-arable. There is also the U.N. Resolution, which the Jews accepted. There is also the right of one who successfully defends themselves in a war to keep the land acquired. But none of those matter to you, because you are simply a biased polemicist. And if none of those bases constitute grounds for ownership, then how many nations of earth have alternate and better claims ?

        September 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • James

      What happened in between then and 1948? Where was Israel? Where was the majority of Jews? In Europe. When did they start immigrating to the land in massive numbers? When the British were occupying it.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • reality

      If some one ethnic cleanse entire population, does that make them right ful owner ? You are insane .

      September 16, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  75. Jacob

    Israel was created through theft, persecution, war, bullying, and occupation. The Palestinians don't have to negotiate with anyone to take back what's theirs. All of Palestine which includes Israel proper. The Jews were the ones who should have negotiated with the arabs and said hey, were being persecuted in Europe and we have a connection to this land lets work something out. But no they killed, pressured, forced the palestinians out. They stole their homes and land. They continue this policy by building on the West Bank, to continue squeezing out as much land away from the Arabs. How can they stand looking at themselves in the mirror and listening to the lies they tell. Does the Torah teach you to lie? I don't think so. We'll see what your God thinks of how you handled the issue of zionism and your nation. By lying and attempting to change history through deceipt, corruption, bullying, persecution, threats. Go see what the torah says about truth.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • moe

      Jacob, Very well said my friend.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Reply
    • reality

      Right on !! Muslims were very helpful to Jews, Ottoman empire was allowing thousands of Jews to migrate in Palestine, but Zionazis wanted to ethnic cleanse entire region.

      September 16, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
      • MIchael

        OH my god you all are idiots. Have any of you ever been to Israel? The Israeli people are brilliant, modern people as opposed to the filthy muslim who beheads people or honor kills their own daughter!. As for your facts, clearly you all know nothing about what has and is happening on the ground in Israel. How could you support people who creep into a home and slash the throat of a baby and a pregnant women. Is this resistance, who would live in a society like this. Strapping bombs to retarded 13 year old boys. ARe you proud of standing up for these people? Unbelievable! By the way, those evil israelis probably created the vaccine your kid gets and other medical breakthroughs that saved your sorry tail

        September 16, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
      • 2011cnn2011

        And now?

        September 16, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Kevin

      Oh my God, read some history books! Palestine didn't even exist before Israel. Israel was part of a larger British Mandate called Transjordan and partitioned after World War Two. No one stole the land; the land was divided up as part of the spoils of war. Israel was established and its neighbors went to war with Israel. They fought back and Israel won the wars. The Arabs are hell bent on Israel's complete destruction; this is called genocide and their tactics are equal to ethnic cleansing.

      September 20, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Reply
  76. livinfree

    What about the Kurds? Don't they have a right to a homeland too?

    September 16, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Reply
    • Ahmed

      Yes. So do the natives of North America.

      September 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Reply
      • Matan

        good point, which brings it all back to the following truism: losers in conflicts "get" just as much as the winners are willing to give. The Palestinians are the losers in all the conflicts they launched against Israel. Considering that they started them, they should be happy to be in the shape they are in right now. The native americans got reservations, the Palestinians get civil autonomy but no statehood. The germans were split up into east and west when they lost WW2. And those are some examples of the best case scenarios – history shows the loser's fate could be much worse; the Turks exterminated their Armenian enemies, the Hutu's did the same to their Tutsi neighbors in Rwanda.

        Arguing over who the land belongs to – especially in the middle east – is a ridiculous exercise. Russian Jews today can trace their DNA back to the Jews of pre-christ palestine, while Palestinians claim that they were there before jews returned in the 19th century. Meanwhile, many palestinans are actually of egyptian ancestry. So the arguments of ownership are made equally fervently on both sides and ultimately are irrelevant.

        Israel will not wake up one day and say "oh, you know what? the arabs have a good point, Palestinans really do have a claim on the land we live in now, we should just leave" neither will the palestinians wake up one day and say "i guess the jews are right, i mean, they have roots to hebron going back over 2,000 years."

        September 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
      • 2011cnn2011

        we dont blow eachother up!

        September 16, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
  77. mr. Jones

    where did thus myth come from that russians owned the land in palestine? It is hard to have a conversation with people who ignore fact.its like me just shouting really loud "the earth is flat!" and then pretending that makes it real. I think this is why people treat zionists like a circus freak show. They dont live in reality.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • mr. Jones

      yeah. When did they own it? Is there a deed of sale? Who did they buy it from? It sounds like some baseless b.s. To me

      September 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
      • mr. Jones

        maybye n.a.t.o. Should blow the heck out of telaviv to protect the civilians

        September 16, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • livinfree

        Uhm, I've never heard anyone say Russians owned the land in the Palestinian Mandate.
        Simple straw-man argument.

        September 16, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
      • mr. Jones

        yeah people on hear are saying those people from euroope that moved there OWNED the land. That is a foolish suggestion and anybody with a third grade education is smart enough to smell that b.s.

        September 16, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
      • Matan

        Mr Jones, after reading some of your posts, im going to go out on a limb and guess you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. But to clarify your confusion, Jews who immigrated to Israel from Russia purchased land from Arabs in the 19th and early 20th century. Palestine at the time was very sparsely populated, so buying land was cheap. So just to be clear, when you buy something from someone, you own it. If you own a house or car, im guessing you're comfortable with the premise. So you might be asking why on earth Arabs would sell land to Jews? Well the answer is 1) Money is money, knowhatimsayin'? 2) in the 19th and early 20th century, tensions were not so high between the two people. By the 1920s, Arabs started preventing their fellow Arabs from selling to Jews so that was that. But hopefully that helps clarify your confusion on the topic.

        PS Im guessing the deeds on those sales from the 1900s will be easier to retrieve than your Brown University diploma

        September 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
  78. Eric

    After immigrating to the British occupied Mandate of Palestine (all of what is now israel), Jews independently declared statehood in 1948. Where were the negotiations with the arabs. The people whose villages, towns, cities, farms, and land were taken away from.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • Matan

      Good point, Arabs immediately launched attacks to try to wipe Israel off the map. Not just the Palestinians, but all the Arabs surrounding israel. Im guessing, you dont think Israel launching a similar attack in response to the declaration is a good idea?

      September 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Reply
  79. informed

    Palestine was created in 1948 partition and was not accepted by the Palestinians. The Arab World subsequently warred w/Israel and lost. Let us not forget that part of Jordan was also so-called Palestinian land and they in effect turned their backs. Now, more than 60 yrs later and many lost wars, they seek to go back but are still not willing to accept Israel and its security.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Reply
  80. livinfree

    I'm a supporter of Israel. I don't see a problem with the UN declaring a Palestinian state IF, in the same declaration, they reaffirm Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people. That way anyone who wants Palestine must also finally accept Israel as Jewish state – something the Palestinians have refused to do.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Reply
    • Dan Jones

      The problem is that there are unresolved issues that must be answered and settled prior to state hood. The West Bank has over 600,000 Jewish citizens just as Israel has over 1.6 million Arab/Palestinian citizens. What will happen to the Jews in the West Bank after the Palestinians take control if the final lines are the 1967 lines? What about the Palestinians that the world keeps labeling "refugees" outside of Israel or the West Bank, what is their future? What about Jerusalem, it was divided in 1948, the Palestinians ethnicly cleansed their side, burned down over 60 synagogues, and prohibited the Jews from visiting the Wailing Wall, the most holy site for Jews. The Palestinians turned the city into a war zone with barbwire, snipers, and grenades. Are you suggesting returning Jerusalem to that condition? Under Israeli control Jerusalem is a city where citizens of all races and religious beliefs can live anywhere they want and all religious sites are under the control of the followers of that religion and have access to those sites. The issue of Jerusalem has to be settled before a Palestinian state cn be formed.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Reply
      • Elizabeth

        The "600,00" Jewish citizens in the West Bank are not the citizens of the West Bank since its not a state. They are citizens of Israel, they have allegiance to Israel and only Israel. Israel has allegiance to them so they can go to Israel. They can't take land that they occupied. That is illegal in war.

        September 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
      • Kevin

        Elizabeth, every nation came into being because of a war. Saying that it is illegal in war to take land won is stupid. The indisputable fact is that Israel treats the Palestinians residing in their country a lot better than the Palestinians, who are demanding the destruction of Israel and the genocide of all its people, will treat any Jew inside its territory. They have stated their intentions many times, so you cannot deny this fact.

        September 20, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
  81. AL999

    Such condemnation of Israeli and Palestinian leadership is warranted if it brings peace. However, use of the UN to upgrade observer status is just posturing for internal politics and scapegoating that really won't lead to peace. There is no substitute for direct talks. Name calling shows that you're frustrated and out of ideas. Real peace requires compromise, which at this point can only be achieved through change of leadership in Israel and for the Palestinian people. The US, EU and Russia along with the Arab Coalition need to encourage direct talks and incentivize both sides. The US must use its leverage, as necessary, on both sides. It's a hard road requiring pressure, persistence, and patience. The rest is just hot air.

    September 16, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
  82. rwade

    Well said reality!!

    September 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Reply


    September 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Reply
    • Mike in WA

      Yes Palestinians deserve that right but Israelis also deserve the right to live without the threat of rockets being shot at them. While this allow Palestine to bring Israel to court they will also be able to be brought to court for their actions directed at civilians and for using civilians as human shields.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Reply
      • James

        @ Mike in WA If the Germans managed to win WW2 and annexed 90% of France to this day. Would you say that about the Germans? That the French resistance should stop fighting and recognize the new Germany that includes most of former France?

        September 16, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • Dan Jones

      Typing your comment in caps doesn't make it true. I would like to aks youu one question. How many deaths woul dhave occured in the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis if Palestinians wouldn't have embraced terrorism and carried out hundreds of acts of terrorism? Thousands of Jews have died in these acts of barbaric and unjustified assaults. The Palestinians have been dodging negotiations for years choosing instead to murder their way to their goal. Maybe it is time for them to accept that the deaths caused to their own people in response to their actions are their own fault and the fault of the worthless killers who have represented them. You can't fix a problem you won't won.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Reply
    • 2011cnn2011

      who starts the killings?? Who sends rockets into Israel?????????? Why will the giant Arab world not give you land and $???
      why are you so worried about tiny Israel???????

      September 16, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  84. rwade

    Give em Manhattan. Give em New Jersey. Give em Palm Springs and Miami. They STILL want more more more. It will never end.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Reply
    • Matan

      That's an interesting way to look at it given there are 21 arab countries and 1 jewish country. And id like to point out that no one "gave" jews anything. They fought the 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 wars, they send every one of their children to the army to defend against an arab neighborhood that has no intention of a true peace. I suppose they received help from some countries while arabs received help from others, but that would be the equivalent of saying that the French gave America to the Americans in 1776 because they helped them against the british. Regarding your racist comment about new york, and palm beach, etc i was under the impression that america is not just for christians.

      September 16, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  85. get ready...

    take notes folks, the foundations for world war 3 are being laid right here

    September 16, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Reply
  86. reality

    Mr. Abbas whole world is with you against Zionazi occupation, this is just small step towards the freedom and equality in this jungle world.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Reply
    • KaraOK

      The whole world? LOL – except for NATO, the EU, and anybody who matters.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Reply
      • Ahmed

        France, part of the EU has already said it would recognize the declared Palestinian state.

        September 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • 2011cnn2011

      Look over your shoulders....China is just waiting to get you

      September 16, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Freedom and equality??? Holy smoke I laughed for almost 10 minutes on that one. Name one arab nation that has either freedom or equality, let alone both. The democracy in Israel is the only spot of freedom and equality in the entire middle east. Can I read a Bible in Israel? Yes. Can I read the Koran in Israel? Yes. Can I read the Bible in any Arab country without fear of a beating or death? No. Don't try to convince those of us that have been in that region about freedoms and equality. Notice I chose to leave out the issue of women's rights. Yeah, it's too easy to make you look like a fool with that one.

      September 20, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply
  87. Peace

    Free Palestine

    September 16, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Reply
    • Pat

      It is shameful Israel should threaten Palestine if they seek statehood and like wise for the US to pressures other nations not to support Palestine. How can anyone respect a democratic system when a handful of nations can prevent the 140 plus nations who support Palestine for statehood and becoming a member of the UN can prevent them from doing so. Let hope justice and true vales of freedom will prevail. Just take a look at some member like Viet Nam/ Zimbabwe /Israel/ Uganda/Saudi Arabia/ North Korea/Colombia/Albania and the list goes on !!!
      This is what the UN is all about certainly not about excluding nations

      September 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Reply
  88. RedLlama

    That land was owned by Israelis long before any muslims got a hold of it. And besides, Israel lets them practice there religion, culture, ect. This is the ONLY Jewish state in the world. To split it up would weaken Israel to the point of push over defence. All of you wanting a palestinian state inside Israel are also saying you want Israel to be wiped off the map by invasion. Which would mean many, many deaths. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • reality

      Are you talking about the murderer Moses who killed millions of people in middle east for his God given land BS ?

      September 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Reply
      • AL999

        Reality: You are a misguided, bigot, who doesn't want peace. There are legitimate issues on both sides. Name calling just shows your one sidedness and ignorance. Hope that stupidity doesn't hurt too much.

        September 16, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
  89. maraj

    This is ridiculous. Palestine has been trying for 50 years for a state and the U.S. Is always on the 'brink' of a deal. The ratio of palestinian blood shed to that of israeli is about 15 to 1 not to mention torture and arrests without trials of thousands of palestinians.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Reply
    • Dan Jones

      Palestinians have been trying for a state since 1948, the problem is that they have always been trying and continue to try for a state on top of Israel with the death of every Israeli. They have never and still refuse to try getting along and having a state along side of Israel. This is why they won't negotiate, because Israel doesn't feel like being destroyed and won't agree to being destroyed, and as such Israel will only agree to a settlement that leaves both states intact.

      September 16, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Reply
    • Whoisplayinggames?

      What is ridiculous is that the United Nations declared a two-state solution in 1948–Palestinians could have had their own country alongside of Israel, but instead, they wanted all of the land and to "push Israel into the sea." Their Arab brothers–the Jordanians–did not even want to tolerate the Palestinians in Jordan–so who is the one causing the problems? Palenstinians should look at their own actions–and 60 years of not accepting an international solution!

      September 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
  90. Wolfie

    Go Palestine, go!!!

    September 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
  91. matthw

    We are close allies. But even friends do wrong and need to be corrected. That land was stolen! Period!Isreal is by far blocking the peace negotiations. Preferring Greed.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
    • Dan Jones

      matthw... You say this but you can't find any proof of it, because it is just not true. You will notice that the Palestinians never say that the Settlements are built on lnad OWNED by Palestinians, they say they are built on land the WANT as a future state. The Land under the settlements is undeniably Jewish land, most with deeds tracing back more than 300 years. Event he UN HRW states that at least 75% of the settlements are build on historicly Jewish land that is both legally and ethicly owned by the Jews. So the land was not stolen.....

      September 16, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
      • Ahmed

        Dan Jones has no morals. Whatever religion you are or if your an atheist or humanist. Lies and deceipt are not a moral. Palestinians have never said they want to kill Israelies. They want their land back. "Israelies" can go live in New Jersey or Timbuktu for all they care.

        September 16, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
      • Dan Jones

        Ahmed.. You are th epot calling the kettle black when yu accuse me of "no morals" and then you say that all you want is to drive the Jews from Israel. The Jews aren't interested in leaving, that should be obvious, just as obvious that history doesn't support your lying claim to the land. So how are you going to get the Jews to leave? Thus, if it were in the power of the Palestinians to kill the Jews they would. Haven't you ever read what Arafat said:

        We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!
        Yasser Arafat

        September 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm |
      • ron are an idiot. im not going to bother even retorting, but the general consensus want jews dead. read a USA today article published two days ago, in which the palestinian ambassador to the UN stated they do not want jews in their state. period. i dont know and i dont care what you're sources are, because frankly, im tired of trying to prove something to ignorant people like you. israel is the home of the jewish people. they cultivated, modernized it and made it a liveable democratic country. unlike any arab country in the world.

        September 16, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
      • Mark Levy

        To Dan: poor guy! you are saying that Israel owned some of that land 3000 years ago?? what about the romans, they owned almost all the world a few thousand years ago!! and the Indians, they owned the land in the USA many many years ago! your argument does not count, please refrain from saying stuff like that. As a jew, i totally support the state of Palestine which is long overdue. The occupation by Israel has to cease. Israel was created thanks to the General Assembly of the United Nations by a partition vote in 1947. Before 1947, the jews were terrorists there, planting bombs and killing british civilians who were controlling that land. Palestine will be created soon in a similar way that Israel was allowed to be created by the UN.

        September 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • capnmike

      Judea was founded there 3000 YEARS AGO by King David. It is the "Palistineans" who have stolen the land. All they want is some place to launch missiles from to kill more Israelis. Dirtbags!

      September 20, 2011 at 9:46 am | Reply
      • Halcyon0372

        Please take your place right over there with the rest of the Dumbasses who will continue to be the fuel that drives this fire. Which reminds me, I must remember to go back and evict the family we sold our old house to, because my father built the thing with my two uncles. Damn them, it'll always be our house.

        September 22, 2011 at 12:58 am |
  92. brown

    What we've got here is a failure to communicate!

    September 16, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Reply
    • Abderrazak

      How could The Obama Administration justify its veto along within The Arab Spring ? President Abbas is right to seek UN recognition of an independent Palestinian State within the 1967 borders and East Jerusalem . That 's the price for peace . The question one might ask is : are the US and Israel ready for it ? I personally doubt . Who does Israel want to discuss with ? A batoustan ?

      September 16, 2011 at 11:50 pm | Reply
    • Halcyon0372

      ....Some men you just cant reach!

      September 22, 2011 at 1:03 am | Reply
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