The 'lone wolf' — The unknowable terror
Kosovan Islamist Arid Uka confessed to shooting and killing two U.S. servicemen at the Frankfurt, Germany, airport. He acted alone and had been radicalized by videos online, experts say.
September 7th, 2011
12:42 PM ET

The 'lone wolf' — The unknowable terror

By Paul Cruickshank and Tim Lister, CNN

Khalid Aldawsari lived in a nondescript apartment block in the university town of Lubbock, Texas. He was – ostensibly – a student, who had arrived in the United States in 2008 from Saudi Arabia. But he was also keeping a journal, which allegedly included this entry:

“After mastering the English language, learning how to build explosives, and continuous planning to target the infidel Americans, it is time for Jihad.”

Khalid Aldawsari is accused of attempting to carry out a bomb attack on U.S. soil.

His preparations allegedly included research online into bomb components, life-like dolls in which explosives could be placed, and a number of possible targets including the Dallas residence of former U.S. President George W. Bush. The FBI were only alerted to the alleged plot after a North Carolina-based chemical supply company reported their suspicions over an online purchase made by Aldawsari in late January. He was arrested a month later and subsequently pleaded not guilty to attempting to carry out a bomb attack on U.S. soil. His trial begins next January.

In the indictment against Aldawsari, there are no conspirators mentioned. In many ways, such cases are the worst nightmare of counter-terrorism officials: “lone wolf” individuals acting alone, untraceable through any contacts with other terror suspects, capable of teaching themselves how to launch a terror attack.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told CNN this month that lone wolves “were harder to detect in part because by their very definition, they're not conspiring with others, they may not be communicating with others, there's very little to indicate that something is underway.”

Last month, President Barack Obama said the threat of lone wolf attacks was "the most likely scenario that we have to guard against right now.”

The president told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “When you've got one person who is deranged or driven by a hateful ideology, they can do a lot of damage, and it's a lot harder to trace those lone wolf operators.” He pointed to the case of Anders Breivik, who went on a bombing and shooting rampage in July in Norway, killing 77 people. No evidence has been uncovered linking Breivik to other conspirators.

A growing wave
The Norway attack and the Aldawsari case show how modern technological tools, especially the availability of vast amounts of information useful for bomb making and targeting, have made lone terrorists more dangerous than ever before.

In the last two years, eight of the 14 Islamist terrorist plots on U.S. soil involved individuals with no ties to terrorist organizations or other co-conspirators.

These included plans to blow up buildings in Illinois and Texas in September 2009, the November 2009 Fort Hood shootings allegedly carried out by U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan, an alleged plot to bomb a tree-lighting ceremony in Portland in November 2010, and another aimed at blowing up an Army recruiting station near Baltimore the following month.

In Europe, too, there have been an increased number of attacks by terrorists acting alone in recent years, sometimes with deadly results. There was the Stockholm suicide bomber, Taimour Abdulwahab; and a Kosovan Islamist, Arid Uka, who confessed to shooting and killing two U.S. servicemen at Frankfurt Airport in Germany. He was acting alone and had been radicalized by videos online.

A senior U.S. counter-terrorism official told CNN that lone assailants have been responsible for every deadly terrorist attack in the West since June 2009, when a U.S. servicemen was shot dead outside a recruiting station in Arkansas by a convert to Islam, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad.

The role of the internet and social media
Counter-terrorism officials and analysts say the “lone-wolf” phenomenon is often fed by self-radicalization on the internet. In its report this month, the National Security Preparedness Group said, “While there are methods to monitor some of this activity, it is simply impossible to know the inner thinking of every at-risk person. Thus, self radicalization poses a serious emerging threat in the U.S.”

The rise of extremist websites in English or other European languages and the emergence of charismatic clerics such as Anwar al Awlaki who speak these languages has spread al Qaeda’s message more widely than ever before, even as some of the hot-button issues it has exploited - such as the Iraq war - have lost resonance.

Online forums and chat rooms are even more influential. According to terrorism expert Marc Sageman, online discussions are much more likely to influence individuals than passively accessing radical online content.

Accused Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan exchanged internet messages with Awlaki, while Frankfurt shooter Uka was Facebook friends with a number of known Islamist extremists in Germany.

Al Qaeda encouragement
Al Qaeda, partly out of necessity, has now thrown its weight fully behind “lone” terrorism. Its media production arm As Sahab recently released a video titled “You are Only Responsible for Yourself,” encouraging followers to carry out acts of individual terrorism in the West. In the recording, al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn (born in Oregon) said it was easy for American al Qaeda sympathizers to go to a gun show and purchase an automatic assault rifle – without having to submit to a background check.

Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch has been especially vocal in encouraging lone acts of terrorism. Its English language magazine Inspire has a section dedicated to helping terrorist sympathizers in the West carry out attacks, including bomb-making recipes. According to authorities one such formula, “How to Make a Bomb in Your Mom’s Kitchen,” has been downloaded by individuals plotting terrorist attacks in both the U.S. and the UK (although explosives experts say the formula is unlikely to work).

This Inspire magazine recipe was allegedly downloaded by Naser Jason Abdo, a Muslim U.S. soldier who allegedly plotted to attack the Fort Hood military base before his arrest in July. At a subsequent court appearance he shouted “Nidal Hassan, Fort Hood 2009.” U.S. officials have told CNN all the indications are that Abdo acted alone. He has yet to enter a plea to charges of possessing weapons and explosive materials.

Inspire magazine has also heavily featured the writings of a Syrian al Qaeda-linked terrorist Abu Musab al Suri (real name: Mustafa Setmariam Naser) who pioneered the concept of individual terrorism in classes given to recruits in al Qaeda-linked terrorist camps in Afghanistan in the lead up to 9/11.

“We ask the Muslim youth to be a terrorist. Why do we ask for such individual terrorism? First because secret hierarchical organizations failed to attract Muslims," al Suri told recruits in Afghanistan in 2000, according to a videotape obtained by CNN.

Assessing the danger
Norway shooter Anders Breivik, for his part, made clear the advantages he saw in individual terrorism in a manifesto he posted online just before his attack. “Solo Martyr Cells are completely unknown to our enemies and has a minimal chance of being exposed,” he wrote.

But so far, few “lone wolf” terrorists have had the resources or skills to turn their plans into reality. Norwegian Breivik pointed out in his "manifesto" that his Norwegian roots, integration into society and deep financial pockets helped him advance his plot.

Breivik also showed great discipline and method in his planning. He was able to teach himself how to make an explosive device by online research and experimenting at a remote farm. But making bombs out of chemicals available in the West has been seen as tricky and dangerous by Islamist militants plotting terrorist attacks, because of how unstable many of these substances are.

Breivik’s own document underlined the risk involved in making bombs out of readily purchasable chemicals. “30% chance of blowing yourself up,” he wrote above a recipe for an explosive substance he included for followers.

Bomb-making manuals produced by al Qaeda and its sympathizers tend to contain many errors, according to Sidney Alford, a British explosives expert who has reviewed many such manuals, making following their instructions hazardous.

“The overall quality of the documents that I’ve seen so far has been pretty low, but some of the content is certainly technically viable and they do contain, among some pages of rubbish quite practical means of causing havoc,” Alford told CNN.

Countering the threat
The Obama administration believes the general public can play a key role in protecting against plots by lone terrorists. “When people see something and they say something, that helps us with the lone actor scenario,” Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told CNN. She cited the example of the gun store owner who reported purchases being made by Naser Abdo near the Fort Hood base before his arrest in July.

Counter-terrorism analysts say that outreach by U.S. law enforcement into Muslim communities is key in providing early warnings of threats. U.S. law enforcement agencies have also kept a watchful eye over individuals who may be moving toward violent extremism. Warning signs include ties individuals may have developed with known Islamist radicals or online interaction through jihadist websites.

Undercover agents and informants have also played a key role in helping the FBI and other U.S. law enforcement agencies uncover threats. The New York Police Department has developed the most extensive informant network in the country and has the largest number of undercover police officers assigned to terrorism cases. It has also developed a Cyber Intelligence Unit in which undercover “cyber agents” track the online activities of suspected violent extremists and interact with them online to gauge the potential threat they pose. The unit has played a key role in several recent terrorism investigations including that of Abdel Hameed Shehadeh, who authorities allege attempted to travel overseas to Somalia to fight Jihad.

“By monitoring his activity on radical websites, the NYPD were able to build up a picture of his radical trajectory which was invaluable to the investigation,” a senior U.S. counter-terrorism official told CNN. Shehadeh, who was arrested in Hawaii in October 2010, has yet to enter a plea to charges of lying to authorities in a matter involving international terrorism.

The use of undercover agents has proved controversial in some cases. Legal documents indicate that undercover agents have in some instances pretended to sympathize with solo plotters and in some cases have provided them assistance in order to obtain evidence to bring prosecutions. In these plots, rather than believing they were acting alone, the solo terrorists appeared to believe they were part of a conspiracy.

But in the final analysis, it is difficult to pre-empt the lone wolf attack. As the former governor of Illinois, James Thompson, put it: "You don't prevent bank robberies. You solve bank robberies after they happen. ... The notion of trying to prevent attacks by radicalized Americans, or people in this country lawfully, is almost impossible."

Terrorist loners
The most difficult individuals to track are those who have no communication with other Islamist extremists, either in person or online. Raffaello Pantucci, an associate fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, says that “rather than interacting online, such individuals passively soak up al Qaeda’s message and decide to take action into their own hands.”

Several such cases have emerged in the West in recent years. In April 2008 Andrew Ibrahim, a young white English student who had converted to Islam was arrested as he prepared explosives to carry out a suicide bombing at a shopping center. Ibrahim, who was convicted of the plot, had no known interactions with other Islamist extremist, and was one of the few home-grown terrorists who managed to make a viable explosive device without formal training.

“Fortunately these loner cases are still a relative rarity,” Pantucci told CNN.

Threat here to stay?

Is al Qaeda-inspired lone terrorism here to stay?

“Leaderless Jihad,” wrote terrorism expert Marc Sageman in 2008, “is vulnerable to whatever may diminish its appeal among the young ... I suspect its greatest vulnerability might be that new dreams of glory will displace the old Islamist dreams and make them irrelevant.”

The death of bin Laden and the captivating television images of the Arab Spring may in time make al Qaeda's cause lose its luster among radical-leaning young Muslims in the West. But in the months and years ahead, counter-terrorism agencies will still have their work cut out to detect lone wolf plots before they come to fruition.

soundoff (969 Responses)
  1. Toshi

    Okay first of all everyone has problems its not just the people who hate the usa it's people who don't even respect their own goverment. Another, thing is we don't understand any of the situations. We can't just assume the situation without being there otherwise we are judging something we technically have no facts on the situation.

    September 9, 2011 at 2:25 pm | Reply
    • gatornuts

      Exactly. Could not have said it better myself.

      September 9, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Reply
  2. John F.

    I think one thing that might help, psychologically anyway, is to stop calling these guys "Lone Wolves". It makes it sound kind of intimidating, or even heroic. Perhaps if they were dubbed something like "Solo Bozo", things might be perceived differently. How would Norway's headlines have read if the press dubbed Breivik as acting as a Solo Bozo, or even the kid in this article, "Khalid Aldawsari, preparing an act as a Solo Bozo, was thwarted by chemical sales personnel who were paying attention."

    Take away the cool nicknames and call them what they are – cowards acting alone.

    September 9, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
  3. Sana

    This is absurd. Im sure he is mentally unstable. I am muslim and no normal muslim behaves like this. There should be some sort of psychological test people should have to pass on their way into the United States. Idiot people like this man and others make such a bad name for muslims! It's infuriating to see people who commit such crimes and say it is because they are muslim. He is a moron, and so is every other muslim who commits a crime "in the name of Islam." All they are doing is hurting innocent people and making life difficult for actual muslims to go about their daily lives in the United States.

    September 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Reply
  4. Steve

    I wish our government would do the most economical thing possible and stop letting any middle easterners immigrate to our country and deport the rest. Wouldn't that fix the majority of the problem?

    September 9, 2011 at 12:00 pm | Reply
    • Unfold

      You mean like Timothy McVey?

      September 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
      • Aaron L.

        Instead of deporting muslims, we should deport ALL religious people. They believe that they'll be forgiven when they murder people and go to heaven.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
      • gatornuts

        @aaron And all atheists as well. They believe the world is chaotic and thus this kind of thing doesn't matter one way or the other. On my campus Darwin crazies will literally kick your butt for being Christian. I got punched because I said I did not support gay marriage. Now this was my friend but it still hurt my feelings. I am convinced that liberal atheists are the most hateful people on the planet. The thing is Christians/muslims get the blame in the media simply because the media is run by liberal atheists.

        September 9, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
  5. callie

    if he came here as a student in 2008 then why is he still here ??

    September 9, 2011 at 7:13 am | Reply
    • Ryan

      Great question/point. Although, if he is sent back to Saudi Arabia, do you really think they'll work feverishly to prosecute him?

      September 9, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  6. 2bits

    A lone wolf that hits Congress or the white house would sadly probably be labeled a hero and not a terrorist today.

    September 9, 2011 at 2:15 am | Reply
  7. rajeev

    Civil libertie haters

    September 8, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Reply
  8. Heather

    And why did we go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq for? All of these lone terrorists that have been caught have all been from Saudi Arabia & Pakistan! The 9/11 hijackers were all from Saudi Arabia!

    September 8, 2011 at 6:08 pm | Reply
    • ds

      there are different kind of terrorists. They come from all walks of moslem society. Most suicide bombers seem to be poor young boys unsure of their masculinity... then there are the elitist terrorist such as Bin Laden- very simular to our leftist do-gooders who will kill a logger to save a tree... Then there are the economic terrorists who use terror to fund their opium business and vis versa. Many "types" with 2 things in common they are moslems and they want to destroy anything/one who stands against them (western society).

      September 9, 2011 at 12:06 am | Reply
    • Alpha Tango

      The leader was from Egypt. I am orginally from Egypt. My wife was in the U.S. Army for 14 years, I joined as an Infantryman before I even lived in our house in TX. I am trying to get back in the service now. It is not about the immigrants homeland. Most of the people in the Middle East (majority muslims) hate America (period). I am a Christian and I enjoyed everything America sent to the ME when I was a kiddo. I love the United States more than some born and raised Americans. We need to bring in only those who love this nation and care for what it stands for.

      September 9, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Reply
      • Sana

        Muslims do not hate America. I lived in Dubai for a few years and i have traveled a lot and I never once heard a word against Americans from a muslim. Sure they might not agree with some policies but they dont flat out hate america.

        September 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
      • callie

        I have been all over the middle east and asia .....I never once had anyone express any words or actions of hate for me or Americans. In fact it was just the opposite and I was treated with great love and respect.

        September 9, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  9. CICO

    I am glad I am being ruled by a country called USA because if I were anywhere around the globe I would have been chopped if one of my fellow "paesans" would do such a thing.

    Glad to be in America and not in Serbia, and being respected everyday like a regular human although, we get some idiots (that deserve to die) like this F*** Face Arid Uka! Deserves to die because he is not a psycho, he planned it because how he knew those soldiers will be there- So f***ing kill him and no mercy for this F***face.

    PS – Arid Uka, tu qift jeta edhe te befshin 100 copa o maskara qe i jep vendit tone kesoj emri.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  10. alex is cool

    people like this are just plane stupid

    September 8, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Reply
    • Free Man

      You mean Plain?

      September 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Reply
  11. Byrd

    So now republicans are going to running around like mad dogs worried about lone wolves while FOX goes into conniptions. Why contribute to the fear, CNN? Slow day at corporate headquarters? CNOut.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  12. rajeev

    And Now, a Brief Word From the ACLU

    Glenn Greenwald calls our attention to the ACLU's ten-year commemoration of 9/11. It's a little different from most of the others hitting the news stands this week. No pictures of the twin towers falling, no touching paeans about how we all came together as a nation for a brief shining moment, no photo spreads of exhausted firefighters or grieving relatives. In fact, no pictures at all. It's just plain, sober text about what's happened to our civil liberties over the past decade. Here are a few excerpts:

    Torture: Just as the public debate over the legality, morality, and efficacy of torture was warped by fabrication and evasion, so, too, were the legal and political debates about the consequences of the Bush administration’s lawbreaking. Apart from the token prosecutions of Abu Ghraib’s “bad apples,” virtually every individual with any involvement in the torture program was able to deflect responsibility elsewhere. The military and intelligence officials who carried out the torture were simply following orders; the high government officials who authorized the torture were relying on the advice of lawyers; the lawyers were “only lawyers,” not policymakers. This had been the aim of the conspiracy: to create an impenetrable circle of impunity, with everyone culpable but no one accountable.

    Indefinite detainment: President Obama’s pledge to close Guantanamo was undermined by his own May 2009 announcement of a policy enshrining at Guantanamo the principle of indefinite military detention without charge or trial....The real danger of the Guantanamo indefinite detention principle is that its underlying rationale has no definable limits.

    Targeted assassinations: No national security policy raises a graver threat to human rights and the international rule of law than targeted killing....Under the targeted killing program begun by the Bush administration and vastly expanded by the Obama administration, the government now compiles secret “kill lists” of its targets, and at least some of those targets remain on those lists for months at a time.

    Surveillance: The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, has used excessive secrecy to hide possibly unconstitutional surveillance....Hobbled by executive claims of secrecy, Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall have nevertheless warned their colleagues that the government is operating under a “reinterpretation” of the Patriot Act that is so broad that the public will be stunned and angered by its scope, and that the executive branch is engaging in dragnet surveillance in which “innocent Americans are getting swept up.”

    Profiling: No area of American Muslim civil society was left untouched by discriminatory and illegitimate government action during the Bush years....To an alarming extent, the Obama administration has continued to embrace profiling as official government policy....There are increasing reports that the FBI is using Attorney General Ashcroft’s loosened profiling standards, together with broader authority to use paid informants, to conduct surveillance of American Muslims in case they might engage in wrongdoing.

    Data mining: Nothing exemplifies the risks our national surveillance society poses to our privacy rights better than government “data mining.”....The range and number of these programs is breathtaking and their names Orwellian. Programs such as eGuardian, “Eagle Eyes,” “Patriot Reports,” and “See Something, Say Something” are now run by agencies including the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Homeland Security....Without effective oversight, security agencies are now also engaged in a “land grab,” rushing into the legal vacuum to expand their monitoring powers far beyond anything seen in our history. Each of the over 300 million cell phones in the United States, for example, reveals its lcation to the mobile network carrier with ever-increasing accuracy, whenever it is turned on, and the Justice Department is aggressively using cell phones to monitor people’s location, claiming that it does not need a warrant.

    But hey, it's just the ACLU. So serious! And such party poopers too. Anyway, aren't they the guys who hate America? I'm pretty sure they are. There's really no need to pay attention to all their tedious whining. Please carry on.

    UPDATE: A few moments after I wrote this, I turned on the TV and found myself watching Time managing editor Richard Stengel intone the banal conventional wisdom that the lesson of 9/11 ten years later is that "we've recovered, we've moved on."

    God no. Just no. I don't care how many people say this, or how many times they repeat it. It isn't true. Just yesterday we declared ourselves thrilled by the news that maybe someday in the future we'll be able to board a plane without first taking off our shoes. Thrilled! Listen to the ACLU. We haven't even come close to moving on.

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    Kevin Drum is a political blogger for Mother Jones.

    September 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    • ladydi

      send them all back – when they"e all out of the USA we can all sleep a lot easier. Alot use education as a cover for coming here, but plot and plan destruction.

      September 8, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Reply
      • rajeev

        civil liberties hater

        September 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
  13. rajeev

    Report – A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11

    An ACLU report release to coincide with the 10th anniversary of 9/11 warns that a decade after the attacks, the United States is at risk of enshrining a permanent state of emergency in which core values must be subordinated to ever-expanding claims of national security. (More on Civil Liberties After 9/11 »)

    The report, entitled, "A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years after 9/11," explores how sacrificing America's values – including justice, individual liberty, and the rule of law – ultimately undermines safety. (Read the full report »)

    Everywhere And Forever War

    The report begins with an examination of the contention that the U.S. is engaged in a "war on terror" that takes place everywhere and will last forever, and that therefore counterterrorism measures cannot be balanced against any other considerations such as maintaining civil liberties. The report states that the United States has become an international legal outlier in invoking the right to use lethal force and indefinite military detention outside battle zones, and that these policies have hampered the international fight against terrorism by straining relations with allies and handing a propaganda tool to enemies.

    A Cancer On Our Legal System

    Taking on the legacy of the Bush administration's torture policy, the report warns that the lack of accountability leaves the door open to future abuses. "Our nation's official record of this era will show numerous honors to those who authorized torture – including a Presidential Medal of Freedom – and no recognition for those, like the Abu Ghraib whistleblower, who rejected and exposed it," it notes.

    Fracturing Our “More Perfect Union”

    The report details how profiling based on race and religion has become commonplace nationwide, with the results of such approaches showing just how wrong and ineffective those practices are. "Targeting the American Muslim community for counterterrorism investigation is counterproductive because it diverts attention and resources that ought to be spent on individuals and violent groups that actually pose a threat," the report says. "By allowing – and in some cases actively encouraging – the fear of terrorism to divide Americans by religion, race, and belief, our political leaders are fracturing this nation’s greatest strength: its ability to integrate diverse strands into a unified whole on the basis of shared, pluralistic, democratic values."

    A Massive and Unchecked Surveillance Society

    Concluding with the massive expansion of surveillance since 9/11, the report delves into the many ways the government now spies on Americans without any suspicion of wrongdoing, from warrantless wiretapping to cell phone location tracking – but with little to show for it. "The reality is that as governmental surveillance has become easier and less constrained, security agencies are flooded with junk data, generating thousands of false leads that distract from real threats," the report says.

    “A Call to Courage” points out that many controversial policies have been shrouded in secrecy under the rubric of national security, preventing oversight and examination by the public. "We look to our leaders and our institutions, our courts and our Congress, to guide us towards a better way, and it is now up to the American people to demand that our leaders respond to national security challenges with our values, our unity – and yes, our courage – intact."

    September 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm | Reply
  14. Jersey Jihad Jerkoff

    After reading this article carefully, the only thing that I am 100% convinced of is this: Khalid Aldawsari definitely spent time here – dude must have gained at least thirty pounds just hanging out in the good ole' USA.
    The revolution will not be televised, but you can always watch it happen on YouTube.

    September 8, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Reply
  15. voiceofreason

    The final solution is to develop energy independence so we go nowhere near these crazy people's countries. There will still be a few nutbags out there, thanks to President Bush and Obama ticking them off. But we need to develop energy independence and pull out and keep our noses out of these idiotic countries. Over time they will "forget" and focus their hatred on some new entity.

    September 8, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Reply
  16. Steve

    Stop immigration with the middle east and deprt the rest then we won't have to worry or deal with this crap.

    September 8, 2011 at 12:05 pm | Reply
    • John

      Stopping people from the Mid-east won't do much, especially when we are trying to stop a RELIGION. Anyone here in the United States can turn into a Muslim - they don't have be an Arab to be a Muslim either. You can be white, black, hipanic, asian, and etc.

      September 8, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • voiceofreason

        True John but percentage wise, how many white white middle class Americans have terrorized/committed jihad compared to these folks from the middle east?

        Call it racism all you want but there's a reason why profiling certain peoples would work.

        September 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
      • Kachoto

        I'll answer the question below. Everyday! Yall crackheads buying drugs only strengthen the ruthless mafias that fuel your drug habits. Mexico is dealing with unpresedented violence because mostly whites keep on buying that stuff. Terrorism comes in many different forms.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
      • Kachoto

        That was my response to voiceofreason, above.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
    • USCitizen

      Start with O B A M A

      September 8, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Reply
      • Infidel

        I thought we covered this a long time ago. It shouldn't even be worth a response.

        September 8, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
  17. Ghost

    I think CNN and MSNBC and Fox News have all missed the mark on this definition of "terror"... A mass murderer is NOT necessarily a terrorist... a terrorists I believe has to have a larger group funding his actions. Like, for example, Al-Qadia, Islam in general, a foreign dictator. A home grown terrorist would still have to have the backing of an organization. A "lone wolf" is just a criminal who may or may not have been inspired by a terror act. Zodiac Killer was not a terrorist... he was just a serial killer. The Norwiegan shooter was not a terrorist, he was a mass murderer. Even Tim McVeigh didn't have any backing from any group of people, nor did he get his list of targets from an organized staff of terrorists. He is just a mass murderer. CNN and MSNBC are soooo longing for a white criminal to commit any crime at all so they can say whites are terrorists too, no matter what that crime is. They are muddying the water in an effort to prevent profiling of arabs and muslims. Being hyper aware, is NOT the same as being paranoid.

    September 8, 2011 at 8:46 am | Reply
    • Ghost

      They even go as far as to mention real terrorists by the country they are citizens of rather than their country of origin. Like English terrorist (of north african decent) News flash... North Africans are Arab... Arabs genocided the original inhabitants of North Africa (White Greeks and Ptolemaic Egyptians). Funny they say German Terrorist Mahmoud Hani.... or Canadian Terrorist Muhammed Al Swarhiri, or even American Terrorist Nadal Hassan. Funny that the News media sees it like this.... A German terrorist? a Canadian Terrorist? Wow even an American Terrorist? Seems like terror knows no particular race or ethnicity... they show their ignorance.

      September 8, 2011 at 8:52 am | Reply
    • Boskoo

      Each incidence of islamic terror should be met with the swift destruction of an islamic city.

      September 8, 2011 at 9:12 am | Reply
      • Mark

        You one moron too you EVER think about what you bang your jaws about?YOU sound like a terrorist.

        September 8, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • Racer

      I have to disagree. A Terrorist does not have to have the backing of a group. Many terrorists may have an affiliation with a group but sometimes they do not have support of an organization. Timothy McVhee could be considered a terrorist since he plotted against the US government. What he did was not a criminal act but a terrorist act.

      Don't get so involved over who's reporting the news but look at the facts.

      "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now exclude acts of state terrorism and some also include acts of unlawful violence and war. The use of similar tactics by criminal organizations for protection rackets or to enforce a code of silence is usually not labeled terrorism though these same actions may be labeled terrorism when done by a politically motivated group." Wikipedia

      A criminal doesn't relate to any recent terroist act. His gain is for money, hurt people, and usually he does not have an affiliation with anyone.

      September 8, 2011 at 10:13 am | Reply
  18. USandCDN

    Nothing new. Another muslim, another terrorist. The two go hand in hand.

    September 8, 2011 at 7:39 am | Reply
    • Mubagahafi

      Oh fizzcracklers! It's Kassem G!!!

      September 8, 2011 at 8:54 am | Reply
    • chaba

      FUNNY!!! I say that about men and domestic violence,....they go hand in hand.

      September 8, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Reply
      • Kachoto

        Ha! I say the same thing about a certain race and crack...all crackheads.

        September 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
  19. Rainbow

    I'd like to see someone show how this is a growing trend. The real problem is radical islam, anything else is just a distraction..

    September 8, 2011 at 6:43 am | Reply
  20. frank

    One very competent right-wing terrorist doesn't mean that right wing terror is near as pervasive a threat as Islamic terror.

    September 8, 2011 at 1:49 am | Reply
    • markjuliansmith

      Frank 'One very competent right-wing terrorist' does not simply appear for no reason – as Islamist Terrorists cannot exist without Moderate Liberal adherents derived from the same text the same for the Christian right. The fact is the right wing have only been able to gain traction because the Secular clearly does not either read or understand history.

      This is just the start as the right gains more and more adherents to combat Islam because the existing politic refuses to accept it has to make Islam party, publicly to the notions of the Secular and Religion and 'Freedom of Religion' just as the Christian right has had to.

      What the Christian right is seeing is a religious group doing by force and making money out of it because as usual the existing Politic thinks they can buy their way out or ignore their way out what it has been forbidden for the Christian Right to do for at least a century.

      The Christian Right will grow if nothing is done to force Islam to accept the notions of a Modern Democratic state and with it – violence – Islamic and Christian.

      If we want to resolve this the Secular have to renegotiate with Islam and if they will not negotiate the Secular determines the Religious Text that can be used as foundation text as it has in the past when religions have caused Terror.

      Otherwise permanent Terror until only one side stands – and humanity again reflects on a period of barbarity they could well have done without.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:44 am | Reply
      • Perception=Reality

        Very well said. As long any administration coddles any group trying to get their trust (i.e. most Western leaders coddling Muslims), that group being coddled will feel empowered to attack because they sense weakness. However, if you treat all groups as equals, attacks will be less. An example is the US administration's attempt to coddle Muslims; they refuse to call Muslim terrorists Muslim terrorists and continue to warn us about the lone "Right-wing" terrorist. As a conservative white male, I get just offended as any Muslim would be offended but it is politically correct to offend me and not any Muslim brothers. However, I also feel it is my duty to keep all anger directed towards politics and try to change policies within the system and without physical harm to others. I feel it is my duty to be very blunt and calm or stop anyone who is promoting physical harm to others online. One custom with Middle Eastern societies that I cannot stand is that they have "long memories" and remember who hurt or killed their relatives so they can eventually get revenge. This is very wrong – violence only begets violence. Someone needs to stand up and say stop, no more.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:19 am |
  21. markjuliansmith

    Foundation Text=Ethics=Ideas=Motivation=Action For and Against Other

    It is not rocket science change the foundation text informing each new generation of evil against Other – Otherphobia or the Terror continues.

    The Norway incident was inevitable with more to follow as the Christian Right rises up to confront what they see as the heretics as much as the Muslim to gain control of the politic – Religions as in the past have to be forced again to change their text by the secular arm of society to protect humanity from terror from both sides.

    September 8, 2011 at 1:44 am | Reply
  22. Chang

    so,...everyone is a suspect? and does this question make me a lone wolf? 🙂 I Chang

    September 7, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Reply
    • Prometheus

      "Cyber Agents" are now tracking you.

      September 8, 2011 at 12:14 am | Reply
  23. Honey


    September 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Reply
  24. AntiCap

    still feeding Americans ....bull....wake up every year before 9-11 they find or make up or design a beautiful terror sotry or suspect....9-11 is your own government idiots !!!

    P.S wow he keept a journal well that makes me believe this bull story forced by CNN

    September 7, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Reply
  25. Hasai

    This just in: Individual nut cases just might go off the deep end!
    And, in other news WATER IS WET! Film at eleven!

    The mass media will do quite literally anything to sell newspapers, won't it?

    September 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Reply
  26. Honey

    Just an IDEA... for EVERYONE.

    September 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  27. Dreamer96

    I thought the Government band the old looney tunes cartoons, because some expert claimed they made kids more violent...I really liked Foghorn Leghorn, he had some great lines....

    But it's real life that makes people violent not cartoons...

    That's the trouble with these Lone Wolfs, there are far too many people that feel they have been wronged somehow, in someway, or see other people wronged, and want to do something about it, some seeing no future for themselves want to give their life some meaning, others are so angry and don't trust anybody around them anymore, no one to talk to but other angry people like themselves on the internet..

    It's easy to make stuff,,and very hard to have a society where everything is under lock and key, or requires a special permit to go buy groceries, or go to a hardware store...

    September 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
  28. outspoken

    Give more visa to those SAUDI buddies !!

    September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Reply
  29. Honey

    Hm, how about that: Let countries/people have national pride. It wouldn't mean that national pride necessarily would lead to "hate" or "grief" against others – if "others" are "open-minded" and somehow simply "respect" each other. National Pride would be somehow "dangerous" if it REALLY would be "abused" against others...

    September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm | Reply
    • Ryan

      He probably got whipped, beaten and locked up as a young kid. He finally found a way to get out of that shet hole country and come to America, where he realized his anger and bitterness would not be resolved by a new territory but only to sear through every nerve ending at the site of privelaged Americans, and witnessing that unfolds the truth of his character and the realization of cold irrepreable psychological damage, that slowly eats away at his sanity. I bet now he wishes he was back cleaning his dads feet in Saudi.

      September 8, 2011 at 12:20 am | Reply
  30. AO1JMM

    Mastering the english language? That was a hilarious statement.

    September 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Reply
    • Ryan

      Everyone learns English at some point. Funny how he said nothing about mastering the art of bombs.

      September 8, 2011 at 12:27 am | Reply
  31. AO1JMM

    "Saudi Arabia"

    Odd that terror/jihad are mentioned by yet another Saudi national.

    Hmmmm block all Saudis?

    September 7, 2011 at 9:01 pm | Reply
    • Ryan

      Block every country except Canada. We'll be like the N. Korea of the West!!!!!

      September 8, 2011 at 12:23 am | Reply
      • radar1234

        Thank you for that comment from fellow Canadian

        September 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
  32. troll stomper

    @godzilla says thats funny that you think im a woman, but i have a question for you since you know so much about the world does the rest of europe burn their garbage like italy? i thought about googling it but, i figured since you speak 8 languages i thought i'd ask you

    =) thanks baby girl

    September 7, 2011 at 7:10 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      We are burning it here for energy collection, and?

      September 7, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      in my town we actually burn it for city heating and reserve energy, it's nothing new here.

      September 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Reply
      • Prometheus


        September 8, 2011 at 12:18 am |
  33. mr.magoooooooooo

    Why is it still a mystery to these people that if you use comp to look bombs up, or buy anytype of explosive material from a state like N.C. This is a story about a pissed of idiot.

    September 7, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  34. kurgen99

    Lone Wolf types have the "advantage" of not having another person tell them how b@tSh1T crazy they are. Loners, can believe whatever they want, since they are isolated from social mores. Kind of like all the unemployed posters sitting in their underwear in their mom's basement.

    September 7, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Reply
    • Fudge

      most bombers are actually successful and highly educated people. (unabomber types, do you remember that Glasgow car bomber? that was a doctor)

      September 7, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Reply
  35. troll stomper

    @godzilla says i know right good thing i was raised in america

    September 7, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Reply
    • Prometheus

      Hmm... troll stomper and Godzilla seem to be posting from the same IP address. I know I'm schizophrenic, but what am I?

      September 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Reply
      • Godzilla says

        @Prometheus i think troll stomper is a women and i am not a women! (Godzilla is...)

        September 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        and @Prometheus what country is my IP located?

        September 7, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
      • Prometheus

        I see you found the shift key 🙂 Congratulations.

        September 7, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
  36. troll stomper

    @godzilla says dude you should go back to trolling world of warcraft or something your material is just as pathetic as your grammar

    September 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      you are so awesome, you are really stomping them trolls out now!!!

      September 7, 2011 at 5:57 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      and your argumentation skills are really revolutionary, i must admit i have never seen such clear writing in all my life! (boop, bep, bap, blep)

      September 7, 2011 at 5:59 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      talking vagina's? walking dicks? anything else? (trololololol)

      September 7, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Reply
    • Fritz99

      Cruikshank and Lister should get their facts straight: Taimour Abdulwahab, the Stockholm suicide bomber, was not a lone wolf. He participated in terrorist training in the Middle East, probably Iraq or Jordan, and a man in Scotland has been charged for helping him.

      September 8, 2011 at 9:41 am | Reply
  37. ME

    The main advantage of a so-called "Lone Wolf" - not belonging to a group and therefore acting independent - is also the main weakness.

    The "Lone Wolf" has never forced a country into the massive policy changes desired by these fanatics. To defeat a country in war requires an operational tempo and attrition rate far greater than any "Lone Wolf" could attain.

    To really defeat the US, you either have to inflict overwhelming damage to our population and/or infrastructure - only feasible via WMD or armed invasion - or wear out the public patience with conflict. The second can only be done by a sustained campaign that "Lone Wolves" could never enact, on the level of daily (or at least multiple weekly) attacks killing scores or hundreds of people every month. And that's not going to happen if you have one successful "Lone Wolf" attack every few months - or even years at the present rate.

    September 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  38. OrionStyles

    "The notion of trying to prevent attacks by radicalized Americans, or people in this country lawfully, is almost impossible"

    Ahahaha... oh wow. Fractional reserve banking is the root cause of these problem.

    The true irony is that the war of independence was ultimately fought to rid (what is now) the US from being under the British fractional reserve banking system.

    The US has become the very thing that they fought to escape when founding the country, and are wondering why others are trying to do the same thing to the US that the US did to the UK?

    September 7, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  39. us1776

    Yes, all the bullied kids now make bombs. Pretty stupid.


    September 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  40. Yeah But...

    The thing with that Nazi analogy is that the Jews were innocent, while these terrorist are actually seeking to do harm to innocent people. So you can't really call a country a bunch of Nazis for seeking to eliminate dangerous violent threats against their citizens.

    September 7, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Keyser

      The Jews were considered as much a threat to Germany in the 1930s as the allegded and amorphous terror threat is now to the U.S. The difference is the Jews were easily identified. Reference a speech that Rumsfeld gave in 2004. It is identical(verbatim) to a speech that Gerhing gave only the word 'Jew' is replaced by 'terrorist'. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. WE are extinct.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • Prometheus

      I believe the Nazi reference that Greg made was that allowing a government to justify excessive surveillance of its individual citizens creates a situation where it becomes very easy for that government to abuse that power and perpetrate actions against all those individuals that are perceived to be a threat by the existing power structure. The Nazi reference was for the purpose of providing an example of how that situation can go badly awry.

      I think his comments are useful considering this blog post is basically showing our current government seems to be drawing some focus on preventing "lone-wolf" perpetrators. This assumed need can be used to justify additional surveillance of individual citizens.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  41. Johnny Rockets

    Fire Janet Napolitano!

    September 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • harmonynoyes

      you- powerless drone

      September 7, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Reply
  42. Prometheus

    Once the Future Crimes Division is formed, we will have this "lone-wolf" problem solved.

    September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Reply
    • Fudge

      you'll smoke em out? how very Nazi of you.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Reply
      • Prometheus

        Careful what you think.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • Fudge

      let's not repeat history, shall we?

      September 7, 2011 at 5:23 pm | Reply
      • Prometheus

        Yes you should learn some history. You obviously don't know what the "Future Crimes Division" is. I'll give you a hint: Cartoon.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
      • Fudge

        had not seen it before, now (hahaha)

        September 7, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  43. outawork

    Don't insult wolves. We should call them lone skunks.

    September 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  44. Greg

    LAWL, what a joke. The Lone Wolf is just a talking point distributed by our government to get people all paranoid about each other. Next up, secret civilian police. I think the Nazis had similar programs to root out Jews.

    September 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Reply
    • Prometheus

      Yes, clearly the Constitution is getting in the way of the government protecting us from each other.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm | Reply
      • Sam Jones

        WUT? Have you lost your mind bro? The Government isn't going to protect you from anything. Sorry.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
      • Prometheus

        I don't know of an emoticon to express sarcasm in my sentence. Hopefully we all know what sarcasm is.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
      • Sam Jones

        It all makes sense now.. LOL

        September 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
  45. Bel

    CNN, shame on you!!!!!!! The Norway attack was done by a Christian Fundamentalist, and yet the only type of terrorismo you hint/portray is islamic/muslim one! Shame, shame on you!! The US has had many inner USA born and raised terrorists, and not one bit muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    September 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Reply
    • Mr.M

      Going to someone else's country and craeting problems and blowing shit up is terrorism, he should blow up his shit hole country rate hole, that guy in norway was a retard but he was norwegion.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Reply
      • Mr.M

        Rat hole country i meant.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • Muhammad

        What about a US airplane dropping "shock and ohh" loads of explosives over Baghdad over lies and fabrications do you think that action "terrorised" the people in Baghdad? Would you call that
        a terror campain?

        September 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • indyfan

      A terrorist can be a T.V. station (viva mexico) or Insurance company. Their all lying S.O.B.!!!

      September 7, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • steve

      he argued to protect christendom mainly white europeans not christianity. he wanted a racially/culturally pure europe. he said in his journal that he had no belief in god. christianity wasnt driving him to kill 77 people. it was racism.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm | Reply
      • frojo

        Steve, have you read the Norwegian's manifesto? He was neither a racist or a religious fundamentalist. In fact, he is something of a rare breed that has not been since around for a while now. He was a nationalist, as simple as pure as that can allegedly be. He was not much of a Christian, didnt kill people in the name of Christ, nor were his actions to advance Christianity – it was more to do with the Christian heritage of Norway and of Europe which he believed is what made Europe..well Europe and he wanted that defended, despite not being too religious himself.
        He was not even a racist – the fact remains that Norway and Scandinavia is white – trying to delude yourself into thinking that it is multicultural makes a mockery of having a nation-state itself. Just like there are no Chinese looking people going around calling themselves Nigerians, which is impossible and also becos no Nigerian is going to actually believe that they are Nigerian, it is the same with Scandinavia. He made it clear he had no issue with people of another race.
        His issue was that Norway was meant to be a home for his people, which means race, religion, culture and language connected to the region of Norway, just like China is home to the Chinese people and Nigeria is home to Nigerians.
        He is a terrorist, no doubt, but do not confuse the man for a religious fundamentalist or a racist Nazi, neither of which he was. Give him his due and calling him a Norwegian Nationalist.....
        We learn to fight our enemies better when we know their motives rather than add our biases to their motives!

        September 7, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
  46. Prometheus

    Wow, an article so full of logic flaws I don't know where to start. Total waste of CNN website space. If you wish to swallow this malarky, then clearly this country needs a "war on thought".

    September 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Reply
  47. jeff

    This is a lot of copycat crimes too. Whenever something happens in the world concerning multiple killings or disasters etc (whatever sells "papers"), the media gets a hold of it and blasts it out on the airwaves or on the Internet. With the proliferation of Internet News there are so many more people reading or watching. When I was child TV had 3 channels so seeing all the bad news was at a minimum. Also it was always at 6 PM to 7 PM. Limiting the contact. With cable news it got more accessible. Now it is everywhere. And being on the Internet it has to be true... So these people want attention for anything. They see doing something outlandish will land them on the cover of all the News. That is until people get bored with it. We need to get a clue. This sort of stuff should not be deemed important enough to either broadcast it or watch it. I bet you a million bucks the lone wolf will become less of a threat.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Reply
  48. BuzzMann

    “We ask the Muslim youth to be a terrorist. Why do we ask for such individual terrorism? First because secret hierarchical organizations failed to attract Muslims," kinda hard to put that whole "freedom fighter" spin on it now huh?

    September 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Reply
    • chaba

      Isn't the recruitment of youth the same thing we do for the military? Aren't the youth easier to mold? I'm smelling something like PROPAGANDA. BUT yeah, I avoid IHOP nowadays too.

      September 8, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  49. SSI

    people like you are what ever you do to others. i hope it happens to you and all of your family members and friends............................................

    September 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  50. BGko

    Alternate title for article: "Propaganda"

    September 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm | Reply
    • Sam Jones

      This guy gets it.. WINNING!

      September 7, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • John Ullmann

      Propaganda is too big a word. Slanted, bigoted, blind-sided, lying, deceiving and distorting are better, more easily understood. Because this is CNN, it is worse when they do it than when Murdoch does it. From FAUX NOISE, I expect slant and distortion, phony, manufactured outrage, and heavily astroturfed BS at that. But by citing Anders Breivik alone, CNN has willfully ignored over two dozen White radical lone wolf attacks since 2008, many more attacks from rightists than from Islamic-inspired terrorists. I am far, far more worried about anti-liberal-, anti-government-, anti-police-, or anti-military inspired domestic terrorism than I fear Islamists. CNN has offered us palpable and smelly BS this time, and they deserve to be called on it. There is no purpose. In fact, we ignore it at our peril for it only gets worse.

      September 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Reply
      • John Ullmann

        Here's a link to a resource that provides far more accuracy that the disinformation implied in this poorly sourced article:
        It lists two dozen attacks that the author scarcely recognizes for the peril presented.

        September 8, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
  51. Chris

    Terrorists come from many areas in life. They could be your neighbor, your best friend, a family member, or, like for most of us, a random radical. The only terrorist is a RADICAL terrorist, so STOP penning terrorism on groups, races, religions, etc. It all comes down to whether one truly believes in something SO MUCH that NO ONE can sway their belief and because of this belief they are willing to kill to force it upon others, that is a radical terrorist. Terrorism is based around one weapon: fear. Sure terrorists use bombs, knives, guns, etc, but it's fear that is their most potent weapon. As long as people are fearful of dying or pain from injury and act accordingly to this fear, they will be controlled by the terrorists. Examples of fear's ability to have control over the human person include: confusion or any inability to think clearly, which then leads to scapegoats, indiscriminate hate, more violence (this time conducted by the victim), etc. A Modern example of fear's control, in my opinion, is the Patriot Act (sure being safe and protective is smart and completely sane, but there is a limit to how "careful" you can, rather, should be). So before anyone posts any more comments, no matter how "smart" and "in-the-know" you think you are, please refrain from labeling terrorists, or any group, race, religion, etc, as having any affiliation with them. Take, for example, Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. Do you honestly believe that everything they say and do, THEY speak for EVERY Muslim in the world? I don't. Just because one person says or does something DOES NOT MEAN THEY REPRESENT THE WHOLE.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Reply
    • Bel

      Good post =).

      September 7, 2011 at 5:05 pm | Reply
    • Zak

      well said

      September 7, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • Allocer

      Excellent post, shame it will disappear within a week. People need to read it and stop trolling the soundoff, comments/ whatever and generalize people.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  52. Joe

    Threats will always exist from all sorts of terrorism. What is the source of most terrorism? Fringe elements are the source of all terrorism. In Islam you have the radical extremist who, like many modern cults or militias, are loud, obnoxious, and very dangerous. I had a good Muslim friend who described alqaida as a cult. If you think of it this is so true. Radicalism exist around the world. Most Muslims are good decent people if they were not you would have much more blood shed because the Muslim relegion is one of the largest in the world. In America you have radical Islamist, radical right wing militias, and radical left wing environmental terrorism. You also have Narco-terrorism all over the world related to the drug trade. It makes sense for the lone wolf terrorist to be the most dangerous. But all Terrorism is extremely dangerous and all we can do is limit the damage and try and fight with everything we have. However we can't close ourselfs off or retreat behind a big wall. If we do that then terrorism wins. Enjoy your lives and if fate ever brings you in contact with a terrorist fight that terrorist with everything you have. Good Day, Joe.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Reply
  53. zzzz

    Why cant be religion consists of praying god and helping own-self and people???? Killing, kidnapping, torturing, mass murder....are these way of calling god? And damn politics and some people's greed. General people die as an effect. Stupid world.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Reply
    • Sam Jones

      can anyone say Foreshadowing, and FALSE FLAG!

      September 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  54. Moderate

    @ Scourge of Hades.

    Although you have correctly identified that our founding fathers indeed intended implement a “Republic”, they included many necessary but inherent flaws. From the get go, crucial elements of a Democracy were embedded in the constitution. Anything that requires a vote is by it’s nature Democratic. This of course is unavoidable. If there is to be a Republic ruled by law, the best way, if not the perfect way, to derive those laws is through a process that gives voice to the people who shall be governed. The people of our nation VOTE for those who shall represent us. Those representatives then make the laws which govern our society. The founding fathers new this and so implemented a system of checks and balances which in theory was supposed to temper the inevitable, that being that the majority would eventually elect enough representatives in order to enact laws according to the vision of that majority. And to their credit, they did a pretty good job.

    However, there is no doubt that the Tea Party is “Radical” in that they lean far to the right. Although I would not go as far as to call them a “Majority”, they have mobilized enough support and elected enough representatives to start nudging our nation closer towards Democratic rule. One that is Christian and white in nature.

    The irony is, the very embodiment of what it currently means to be a Republican or a Democrat is completely bass akwards. Republicans, and especially the far right, (Tea Party) seek to rule by means of a pure Democracy (thankfully they are not a pure Majority), where Democrats, and especially the ultra left, seek to rule by a by a more Republic means.

    Personally, I am Moderat/Liberal. I believe that our Governments main priority is to protect the rights of ALL OF HER citizens, in so much as those rights (or perceived rights), do not impinge on the rights of others and to promote prosperity of her citizens.

    For example, takeGay rights. Ones sexual orientation, despite radical belief, does not make you any less human. Therefore, a Gay Person should expect to enjoy ALL rights equally with everyone else. Republicans are adamantly opposed to this view. Democrats traditionally believe that it is in the best interests of all to go the way of the UK and prohibit the possession of Fire Arms by ALL Americans. This is no better then the Republican stance on Gay rights. I have proven myself to be a responsible United States Citizen and I take great exception to anyone’s notion that they have the right to take my guns away.

    What we need is modern third party added to our current two party system of governing. One might say that that this third party exists in the form of the Independent party. But the Independents lack any real focus and are thusly inconsequential. What we truly need is a Moderate Party, backed by forward thinking and modern oriented individuals. The moderate party’s core values would bring us closer to the REPUBLIC our founding fathers had intended, with Freedom and Justice for all and protection for ones rights as an individual, while limiting the ability of groups, (be they minority or majority) to project TOO MUCH influence in a given direction. Extremes are NEVER ultimately beneficial. Diversity requires even handed Moderation.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Reply
    • RoadRunner, Albuquerque, NM

      I don't usually read long posts, but yours was an exception. And, I'm glad that I read your post, and hope others will too. You have good reasoning, and managed to say a lot about our country in so many words. Keep on truckin', bro.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm | Reply
      • glenn

        agreed. awesome post!

        September 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  55. Ponter Bodditt

    Ponter Bodditt

    With all this fearmongering over terrorism, here is some Lifetime Odds projections. Based on these odds, you're more likely to kill yourself than be killed by a terrorist.

    Cause of Death Lifetime Odds
    Heart Disease 1-in-5
    Cancer 1-in-7
    Stroke 1-in-23
    Accidental Injury 1-in-36
    Motor Vehicle Accident*
    Intentional Self-harm (suicide) 1-in-121
    Falling Down 1-in-246
    Assault by Firearm 1-in-325
    Terrorism 1-in-1,300
    Fire or Smoke 1-in-1,116
    Natural Forces (heat, cold, storms, quakes, etc.) 1-in-3,357
    Electrocution* 1-in-5,000
    Drowning 1-in-8,942
    Air Travel Accident* 1-in-20,000
    Flood* (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-30,000
    Legal Execution 1-in-58,618
    Tornado* (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-60,000
    Lightning Strike (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-83,930
    Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting* 1-in-100,000
    Earthquake (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-131,890
    Dog Attack 1-in-147,717
    Asteroid Impact* 1-in-200,000**
    Tsunami* 1-in-500,000
    Fireworks Discharge 1-in-615,488

    September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm |

    September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Reply
    • Albert E

      Ponter, these stats are impressive but mean nothing to the ones who did pay!!! Its a million to 1 that you are attacked by a great white shark but, if YOU are the one, man that hurts and sucks. Those 3000 Americans who were killed by that cowardly terrorist act on 911 appreciate what you are saying, its just that they are all dead now and can't speak!!!!

      September 7, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Reply
    • pirate

      1 in 200,000 chance of being killed by an asteroid? Where do you get your statistics? When is the last time you read about someone getting iht by space rock hurtling from the sky? How many people in the world??? Almost 7 billion? Shouldn't that mean 35,000 people out of the current population will die from asteroids?

      September 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • pirate

      Also – what would the statistics be if there were NO anti-terrorism measures? Quite a bit higher, I would guess!?

      September 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Reply
  56. The Selfish Meme

    Careful what you create media people. Careful now.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Reply
    • Sam Jones

      They know what they are doing. More effin foreshadowing than Shakespeare.

      Im gonna be screaming "FALSE FLAG" right up until 9/11/11

      September 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Reply
  57. Mom of Three

    Nothing I can do about it. I can be watchful and on the very off-chance I see anything strange, report it. But this is about as out of my control as an earthquake. I don't mean to sound cavalier about it. It's a tragedy for any innocent person who's touched by it. On the other hand, I hope these guys know what farmers here do to wolves and coyotes here. Just because I realize it's out of my control, doesn't mean I have any pity for these ignorant psychos once they are caught. Send them to their 72 virgins next day air.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • Joe

      Nothing perpetuates things like these sentiments. Narrow. Stereotypical. Crass. And yet people who think like this fail to ever see how they are part of the problem.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Reply
      • dadf

        What are you talking about Joe her comment makes sense to me

        September 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
      • chaba

        Joe, you're spot on!

        September 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm |
  58. melvinslizard

    A message to all you "would-be wolves" out there... beware the lone "sheepdog." I don't call 911.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
    • dirkK

      Neither do I. I call upon 1911.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Reply
      • melvinslizard

        Roger That

        September 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
    • MARCEI

      nice !!!

      September 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm | Reply
    • Sam Jones

      Ur such a BADAZZ... Ready to shoot your own neighbor because CNN calls him/her a terrorist. Thank god, patriotic Americans like you are here to do the governments bidding for them, they don't even need a police state.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Reply
      • melvinslizard

        Pretty weak, Sam. Didn't say anything about shooting my neighbors. Shallow thoughts leading to your hollow comments. But, I guess if the world has "wolves" and "sheepdogs", somebody's gotta be the sheep, right? Tag, you're it.

        September 8, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
  59. dutspup

    This is a joke, there have always been the lone nut job out there and always will be. The internet just help level the playing field a tad, information is power right? Dont let these guys scare you into giving up even more rights, ban the internet, having your neighbors spy on you. This situation is the perfect one for profiling? wouldnt you say keeping an eye on anyone associated with islam, muslim is a safe bet? Anyone here on a student visa from the middle east, duh...this isnt rocket science, but we now know the real agenda dont we, well some of us. These fools dont realize that by surpressing people, hendering people, taking away their rights to have arms etc creates civil indifferences not home grown terrorist.

    September 7, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Reply
    • ThaGerm

      By "These guys" are you talking about CNN? Cause the last time I checked the people taking your rights were, well, the RIGHT "something CNN has never been accused of". Ever heard of the Patriot Act? You should look it up if you are interested in people taking your American rights away from you that would be the #1 place to start. The Patriot Act enacted by Bush and cronies is the single largest revocation of YOUR rights in YOUR LIFETIME and it was done to you by YOUR PARTY.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  60. LoverBoy77

    No Mention of right wing extremists and Lone Wolves?? COME ON!!! Seriously? Aren't these the real psychopaths?? How can this article have any validity when they are not mentioned?

    September 7, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Reply
    • Mom of Three

      You mean like that American guy who bombed abortion clinics? There's an example.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Reply
  61. Luke

    And now the Mainstream media,CNN ,switches from alquadaa type terrorists to local,white terrorists so more security and glorified martial law can be implimented within the US in the name of "protecting us".
    But people are waking up to this. Globalist agendas arent hidden anymore.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Reply
    • ThaGerm

      Wait, wait, JUST WAIT!!! Mainstream media is scaring you into giving up your rights? REALLY? Two words genius... PATRIOT ACT!!! I can't even believe after the single largest revocation of American rights in your lifetime was perpetrated by the Republicans not more than a few years ago you sit blaming mainstream media? Are you fing loco? It took less than a year before the FBI and police forces across the US used the PATRIOT ACT against it's own citizens whenever they felt like it...and still do.

      So before you go spouting off again about mainstream media at least step up to the plate and take a big ol' bit of that sht sandwich Bush left for you called the PATRIOT ACT! Then you can look at the single piece of firearms legislation that Obama signed in... Allowing you to carry firearms in Federal Parks... Yep, he EXPANDED your 2nd amendment rights.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Reply
  62. Meemie777

    Ooga Booga , tell the people that died on 9-11 how you feel about not being afraid of terrorist. VERY bad judgement on your part.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • Joe

      There is nothing you can do to stop it. You are not empowered. It is an act-react relationship. If not, then the ones who are afraid become the thing they fear. And with as much racial/religious and other tension as there is in this country, there really is no value in making us all aware or afraid or whatever.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:43 pm | Reply
      • jeff k

        There is plenty you can do to avoid it. Avoid likely terrorist targets, but lets face it the statistical risk of being killed by a terrorist in the US is pretty small.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • Ponter Bodditt

        With all this fearmongering over terrorism, here is some Lifetime Odds projections. Based on these odds, you're more likely to kill yourself than be killed by a terrorist.

        Cause of Death Lifetime Odds
        Heart Disease 1-in-5
        Cancer 1-in-7
        Stroke 1-in-23
        Accidental Injury 1-in-36
        Motor Vehicle Accident*
        Intentional Self-harm (suicide) 1-in-121
        Falling Down 1-in-246
        Assault by Firearm 1-in-325
        Terrorism 1-in-1,300
        Fire or Smoke 1-in-1,116
        Natural Forces (heat, cold, storms, quakes, etc.) 1-in-3,357
        Electrocution* 1-in-5,000
        Drowning 1-in-8,942
        Air Travel Accident* 1-in-20,000
        Flood* (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-30,000
        Legal Execution 1-in-58,618
        Tornado* (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-60,000
        Lightning Strike (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-83,930
        Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting* 1-in-100,000
        Earthquake (included also in Natural Forces above) 1-in-131,890
        Dog Attack 1-in-147,717
        Asteroid Impact* 1-in-200,000**
        Tsunami* 1-in-500,000
        Fireworks Discharge 1-in-615,488

        September 7, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Godzilla says

      i've had bombs go off all around me when i was in spain and ierland, so why are you comparing a single even with real terror again? 9-11 wasn't a terror attack it was an attack by a small singular group of people (HEY A LONE WOLF!!!)
      you just call it terror, as real terror is something like the ETA/IRA bombing your place daily (that never happened and thus 9-11 wasn't a terror attack, but an attack by a group of lone wolf's)

      it's like norway, there were 10 or 20 muslim terror groups claiming it (9-11 same thing)
      you just believe it's something it's not to justify your own terrorist actions on the world, terror trough media (you've terrorized the world with your war on terror, YOU ARE THE TERROR)

      September 7, 2011 at 3:44 pm | Reply
      • Godzilla says

        go fuck your 9-11 bullshit, we in europe seen allot worse and came out much better than you sad lot did with your pointless war.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        because it happens in America it's somehow worse than anything that ever happened anywhere else, you do know millions of people die because YOU LET THEM STARVE (right?)
        it's a problem you could have solved with the money you spent on that war on terror you sad lot had.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
      • jdurand1970

        Most of Europe is in a sorry state of affairs just like the US. You mad, bro?

        September 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
      • Hoog

        STFU and quit your crying. If you congealed all the events in Europe over many decades, then yeah, it was much worse there. But no single event is worse than what happened on 9/11. The reason the war goes on, with European help no less, is because the Europeans have proven through history, to be weak willed and clueless to what is happening around them, until its too late. And just because you MAY have been in a country, don't act like bombs were going around you. That's rather ignorant to those who were directly affected you troll.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
      • Hoog

        They starve godzilla, because you Europeans pay the US to clean up and do what you have failed to do, numerous times. Events occur right at your doorstep, and you expect the US to fix the problems. You Europeans sit there and judge the US, and yet you are the most spineless people on the planet. History has proven that time and time again. All you are is a bunch of spoiled, unemployed, judgmental cowards, with the fortitude of a gnat.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:06 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Hoog unemployed? my country has less than 2% unemployment america has 17% of it's people not with permanent employment.
        my country alone has more actual money than America has, who is sad? YOU IS SAD, and it's statically worse in American than it is in Europe. (even Greece isn't as bad America when talking in numbers...)

        go check the numbers before you claim unemployment rates...

        September 7, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        facts vs fiction, we have an economy and we have solved most our problems (and you still have 3 million people in jail)
        you don't solve problems you just put them in jail...

        September 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
      • GuerillaMan

        You're a very sad and spiteful little person...may peace be with you...

        September 7, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
      • fran glass

        godzilla, they are about it get ALL over your grammar/grasp of english...

        September 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @GuerillaMan nope, just pointing at the pink elephant in the room...

        September 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @fran glass i am so scared of the grammar police (i speak 8 languages, you?)

        September 7, 2011 at 4:38 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @fran glass typically something retarded americans say to discredit someone, let's nitpick about a few angry errors... (come back when you speak more than one language, mafkees)

        September 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
      • melvinslizard

        Godzilla speaks 9 languages if you include talking out his a$$

        September 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @melvinslizard yes, yes, i am also quite fluent in farting (also) -___-

        September 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
      • Nikki

        In the above post you say you were near two bombs. One in Spain and the other in Ireland. In a later post you then say you were near two bombs in Spain and the other while eating breakfast in London. Last time I checked....London is in England, not Ireland. Sounds to me like you are just a liar who blows smoke out his arse!

        September 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Nikki, i was in ierland when a bomb went off i wasn't near it.
        in london and Barcelona i was near it.
        you are smoking something alright, weed perhaps?

        September 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Nikki you are funny, London isn't in Ireland (NO REALLY?!?)
        that made me laugh so bad 😀

        September 7, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
      • Nikki

        Get your facts straight Godzilla. I assume you are either from Ireland or the UK. As far as unemployment are some actual facts listed by the World Fact Book. A credible source unlike yourself. Unemployment in the US in August 2011 was at 9.2%, UK was 7.6% in March 2011, and IReland was at 14% in May 2011. Looks to me like the Irish can't find work more than the UK and US. The list posted in 2010 from the World Bank lists the US as numero uno with 14,582,400 millions us dollars. UK is # 6 with 2,246,079 millions US dollars, and Ireland is number 41 with 203,892 millions US dollars. If I am gooing to take a lucky guess, I would guess that you are from England. Who is that we let starve by the way? If a country can't fend for them selves that is not the US's fault. Besides, I don't see any English blokes feeding poor people. All the English do are colonize people. In reality, if you don't like the US....the only people you have to blame are the people who started the country. Most of which were English! GFYS!

        September 7, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Nikki nope don't live in england or Ireland, but some parts as large as england and Ireland combined also have 15% unemployment (and?)
        you still have the largest deficit of any country in the world though. (okay, okay, except for maybe Japan and Zimbabwe...)

        September 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        have a great day people's, GODZILLA!!! (it's all bullshit anyways)

        September 7, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
      • Nikki

        I am not smoking anything. Just reading what you wrote. That is a fact. Maybe you should learn to make sense. Doesn't matter how many lanuages you know, it's how you use them. You certainly are not very good at English. How about the other supposed 7? Who gives a rip if you were in a country when a bomb went off or near it?! I was in the US when bombs went off and when 9/11 happened. That doesn't make me an expert when I was just in the same country. Therefore, you are no better than any one else when it comes to bombs. You have no reason to toot your horn and claim Americans know nothing about being in the same country where a bomb went off!!! LOL!!! You're just plain un -educated and have miscued opinions.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Nikki ooh hurtful, you forgot something (i don't have a soul)

        September 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @Nikki but i did just prove my point with your reaction, that some terror shit should just be completely ignored and be sweeped under the rug (any reaction, is just not worth it)

        trillions wasted on nothingness...

        September 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        also people's inability to look at their own problems is why terror happens.
        it's easy to attack something, it's hard to ignore it. (hey, suddenly he does speak proper english...)

        September 7, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Godzilla says

      and Hoog, i actually was in london eating my breakfast when a bomb went off and also in spain i was at a party when the building next to the one i was exploded..
      unlike you i've been there...

      September 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Reply
      • melvinslizard

        Maybe they can have better luck next time, Godzilla. The US has been carrying Europe since the 40's, what do you have to complain about? How much food have you sent to the starving, you pencilneck?

        September 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @melvinslizard America has no money to care for anyone, not even their own people get basic things like health-care (unless they kill someone and end in jail...)

        September 7, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
      • melvinslizard

        I've stepped in puddles deeper than the arguments you present, Godzirra. Your entire continent has been in a recession/depression for more than 50 years. How's that Euro working out for ya? Congratulations, your economy is now propped up by Germany RATHER THAN the USA. For now, at least...

        Don't get me wrong, Europe is awesome. But YOU suck.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
      • Godzilla says

        @melvinslizard i suck? the dollar isn't worth a dime anymore (i love the euro, i can almost buy America)

        September 7, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
  63. jeff k

    This could be true that you might have lone wolf acts of terrorism, but they don't have the devastating potential of organised Islamic terrorists that the media tries to draw attention away from. It took a lot of coordination, planning and money to pull off something devastating like 9/11.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • rep

      the Norwegian terrorist was pretty effective. Imagine if he'd has a stronger bomb. Or that he'd found a more critical place to put it...

      Not even the 9/11 terrorists could've foreseen the full devastation of their actions. Who knew that the towers would collapse? That so many people would not be able to escape in time? Or who knew there would be such lasting economic effects? The modern "lone wolf" will be more educated to these types of damages and may try to inflict pain on multiple fronts.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
    • jdurand1970

      Jeff...sure about that? Timothy McVeigh's attack was pretty devastating. Not as many kills but just as terrorising.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Reply
    • truth hurts

      what about the boys who did columbine? i'd callthem a lone wolf becaue the morons shared the same brain

      September 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  64. Carlton

    Most people in this world are scared and more concerned about being politically correct and sensative to personal opinion while Islam is constantly carrying out its plan, destroy anyone who does not believe in Allah!!! This is what they are taught, this is what is in the Qur'an, and this is what they believe. Instead of wiping out these idiots, many are sitting back as if they are going to stop because of smooth words of deplomacy. It's never going to happen. We need to go on an all out war on Islam and remove it from the planet. Remember one of their most known leaders today said Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth. This is their plan for all of us who don't believe in what they believe!!! No apologies, just the truth!!!

    September 7, 2011 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    • Joe

      I am getting you a history book for Christmas.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • brad

      What you have suggested has been tried before. It was called the "Crusade". Not to mention the people at Hagg will cry that it is "a crime against humanity" and next thing you know there'll be a trial and someone goes to prison. lThis article cracked me up a bit even though this topic isn't funny in the least. There are crazy people out there and they can do bad things. To worry about it is just crazy and our society turning brother against brother isn't helping the situation. Terrorists if they wanted to could strike this country anytime. The US is too big and people should be so worried about it. Do we worry about getting mugged, murdered and whatever other kinds of mayhem because we live in a free country? I don't. What bothers me is that big brother keeps infringing on Civil rights on 90% of the population that doesn't commit crimes. What is that about?

      September 7, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Reply
      • brad

        I misspelled when I wrote. I meant to say people should not be so worried about terrorist.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  65. Meemie777

    I stand corrected. So if Voltairine is a woman (certainly no lady) she comes off like a man with a chip on his shoulder.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Reply
  66. Ooga Booga

    Ooooga Boooooga! Terrorism is scary and makes great headlines.

    Personally, I am sick of hearing about it. I have a greater chance of dying of a MRSA infection or Flu mutation.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:28 pm | Reply
  67. reality

    Why don't you stupid white racists talk about the lone wolf white terrorist who killed 5 people in Virginia ?

    September 7, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      or norway -___-

      September 7, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply
    • Will

      Because they're just assorted nutcases, not part of a religion that slaughters tens of thousands of people annually

      September 7, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
      • reality

        @Will , what about "God given land" , Is that not the plan for destruction of entire civilization in the name of religion ?

        September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Joe

      I was not aware that there were not white muslims. This isn't an issue about race.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Reply
      • Karl

        Yeah try the guy at the top of the page.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • 4 the good

      You know what. I watch ID television almost 3 times a week and have never seen the same show twice. What that means is there is one *ell of a lot of crime that goes on in America. For example, in CA we have a serial rapist and killer who has topped the entire world, and still remains at large. Yes, sure, we are always going to have the lone wolf killers. Hopefully not fueled by Islamic/Muslim teachings.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Reply
    • Chris

      Right because its a white problem...because white people are the cause of everything right? Grow up racist...

      September 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Reply
      • Godzilla says

        i am a white person who says it's white people (who are you calling a racist?)
        mostly white right-wing extremist Christians do the real bombing in the world (IRA anyone?)

        September 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • ITisWHATitIS

      Why is it that every time someone condemns terrorism, he or she is called a "white racist" ? This is why it is hard to make the difference between muslims and terrorists.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Reply
    • melvinslizard

      Okay, I'll talk about the white racist idiot that killed 5 in Virginia.... isn't it ironic that NO WHITEYS held a public rally celebrating the killings and chanting "Death to Armerica?" No one burned any effigies. No preachers held services on Sunday calling for "martyrs." And the perp will go to prison or get a needle. Now, about the Islamic extremists...

      September 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Reply
  68. 4 the good

    Oh my, Valtair is at it again. Hmmmm....we must spend a few moments mediatating. OK fine.
    I think the human race is ripe for annialation. Ask Valtair. She should know that we are all irrational beings and should be exterminated, beginning with the Middle East. Let's start there, and see how it goes from there. OK?

    September 7, 2011 at 3:20 pm | Reply
  69. Ron Paul 2012!

    Oh please! There is a BIG difference between terrorism and crime. A Lone Wolf is a criminal by definition – a terrorist is someone in an organization.

    The Clinton News Network is Janet Napolitano's mouthpiece, and has no original content.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla says

      a terrorist is also not always in an organization error's goal is to strike randomly and unexpected and never organized, but the US government thinks it's organized (but that's why America is now officially bankrupt).

      the war on terror is the same kind of war as the war on drugs, the more you incriminate people the worse things will get. (in the case of drugs, America never had such a full prison state before 1950)
      like so many others it's a thing you can't win from, as you can't win from Fiction.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        Exactly. You are making it glamourous and offering up tons of free advertising. Just say no (but really say yes) to drugs! Not sure what drugs? Well, we have pot, amphetamines, coke, acid... here are pictures. Here are places they are sold. Don't go there... !!!

        September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Chris

      A terrorist is anyone that strikes "terror". Well when the US government made its colored warning scared people. Were they terrorists?

      September 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        Not really. In some ways, we choose to be afraid. The terrometer was nothing more than a tool to spur shopping and enlistments, perhaps an experiment to see what we would do. Hell, this whole thing is really nothing more than a social experiment. With toys. That are lethal.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
  70. Meemie777

    The way Voltairine is speaking, he gives himself away. You are against America?? Oh, and you do speak english, why the spanish message you wrote on this board earliier?? You did not want most of America to know what you were saying..MAYBE we need to be on the lookout for you??

    September 7, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
    • 4 the good

      You said "he" I believe our wise councel, Voltairine, is a she. How say you Voltarine?

      September 7, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Reply
      • Voltairine

        She is correct (lol) though the relevance of this eludes me.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Voltairine

      I’m against the Oligarchy Corporatist state that big business and big money has made of the First American Republic. It was French, not Spanish and I chose French because I like French and, as such, I use it no and then. If you don’t understand French, then you need not read French (lol) and can, instead, go look for something in English. There are plenty of people that understand French, or can translate if they so choose, reading all sort of articles in all sorts of languages all over the world. I can’t imagine why you or anybody else would feel the need to “lookout” for me.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  71. Scurge of Hades

    Time for Germany to go down a sort things out in the Balkins once again

    September 7, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  72. Ming

    McVeigh? Sarin gas attacks?

    How is this lone wolf terrorism "Today's Terrorism" at all? Does the news media seriously have such a completely lacking and sensationalist attention span that nothing outside of the scope of a few weeks is accounted for or acknowledged anymore?

    Stop writing such ignorant misleading crap and do something useful maybe, like drawing attention to the tar balls BP left everywhere.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • Tony

      @Ming, that's because they don't want the public's attention focused on anything important for too long. That might cause people to want answers and investigations into things. Can't have that. But they'll sure go into depth about what Snooki had for lunch.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  73. Tony

    Don't you believe it people! They are just trying to create the next Boogeyman since the Osama Bin Laden, Taliban, Al Queda story line has gotten tired. Now they'll have us looking at each other in suspicion and fear.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  74. Godzilla the first, the second, and the third

    don't be scared Godzilla is here -____-

    September 7, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Reply
  75. Hello

    Americans dealt with lone wolf terrorists before - during the Westward expansion they were called "marauders," "bandits," and "outlaws." The remedy was the Second Amendment, except today states and local governments have rendered it a dead letter.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    • Godzilla the first, the second, and the third

      yes, yes, a non-issue solved internationally by US law (whatever, captain america)

      September 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
    • 4 the good

      I'm tired of the long arm of the law. If you suspect terrorism, deal with it. Just don't be sloppy about it.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Reply
  76. Joe

    Yes, please protect us from the danger of the 'lone wolf' terrorist. We are super scared and need and demand and are willing to forfeit our rights to spare our lives. We need books on the 10000000 ways to tell if someone is suspicious. iPods hidden in pocket? Suspicious. Muslim-looking person shopping at Fredericks of Hollywood? Suspicious. Person who disagrees with the government? Suspicious. Hell, just throw us all in jail and get it over with. And maybe when the population fills the jails, you can mass-exterminate them. I think we can all see where this is going....

    September 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    • 4 the good

      You need to take a nap, and maybe take Voltairine with you. 🙂

      September 7, 2011 at 3:35 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        Do we really need to spell everything out? Context reading is awesome!

        September 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
  77. mark

    irradiate (hmm eradicate 😉 haha, typo.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  78. BunnyFooFoo

    Of course, "isolated lone-wolf" is media code for "it was a Muslim again, but it's too politically incorrect at this point to talk about that." Strange how the guys like Jared Loughner are held up as warnings for all of society, while the Nidal Hassans and Faizal Shazads are are all hastily dismissed as "lone wolves."

    What an amazing coincidence that so many of these "isolated" "lone wolves" just happen to share the same religious/political ideology.

    September 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • mark

      mostly right-wing Christians, these days...

      September 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
      • rjc116

        On the contrary, we all know that radicalized Muslims are responsible for the large percentage. While the article claims they get their info on bomb making online, true enough, the fact is that they get their religious education from radical imams in their mosques.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
  79. mark

    bug every house? i would say: do the world a favor, buy a gun and shoot yourself 😉
    that way the problem will completely irradiate itself...

    September 7, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • mark

      eradicate =___= oops

      September 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  80. mark

    you can't fight fiction, you can't win from things which don't exist (stop fighting things you can't fight).
    if you want to kill all fiction you might want to buy a gun and shoot yourself in the head (problem solved...)

    September 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  81. Dino

    Extend the patriot act for eternity and bug every house, tap every phone because there are these "lone wolves" who kill people. Can you imagine that, people killing people or a person killing lots of people! Bug every house! MURDER HAS TO STOP! WE DON'T WANT TO DIE!

    PS- We don't want to sound racist so even though we are pooping in our pants from muslim extremists we must violate everyones civil liberties in order to be politically correct.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • GuerillaMan

      We should, maybe we'll catch the next Timothy McVeigh...

      September 7, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
      • Todd

        Or the next abortion clinic bomber – like that Rudolph character.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:12 pm |
      • Dino

        Maybe they will catch your wife blowing the postman? American muslims love Timothy McVeigh. You don't need stasi laws like the "lone wolf" provison to catch another Timothy McVeigh because explosives are no longer accesible the same way they were in 1995! Why not name every non muslim who has killed lots of people in order to justify your flawed ideology.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
      • GuerillaMan

        Were you spitting at the computer screen when you typed that?

        September 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  82. Voltairine

    @Nah Your logic is flawed. That injustice spawns radicalism doesn’t mean that radicalism is not also spawned by other things. From your deficient reading spawns your remaining errors. I’m very intelligent and I do vote.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  83. Dino

    "and a Kosovan Islamist, Arid Uka, who confessed to shooting and killing two U.S. servicemen" Hey CNN what is a Kosovan? a minivan? Did you mean Kosovar? Did you mean a muslim kosovar Albanian terrorist like the ones the US, Germany and NATO supported in 1999 by bombing Serbia in order to turn kosovo into an independant muslim country. Now you have KOSOVAR muslims attacking you. How strange, I think these were the guys Serbia warned you about before you bombed them.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • U.S.Army-OverLord

      Hey dino, this lone nutjob does not represent a entire movement. He was just one idiot. We are NOT changing ANY policy just because of some terrorist. If you are upset about our involvement in Kosovo or Bosina (and yes I served in both place) then direct your anger to the one who who committing genocide.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm | Reply
      • Dino

        If you are who you say you are and not just another albanian poser, out of fear of being labeled anti American I will keep my response to your absurd allegation very short. There was absolutely no genocide in kosovo that is an outright lie, and the civilian casualties in Bosnia are miniscule compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. So thank you for your service but please keep the bullshit to yourself. I think you might be suffering from PTSD because you are obviously not making any sense.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
      • Dino

        For the record you seem very defensive about this KOSOVAR guy and I highly suspect you are not who you say you are because certain trolls like to spell my name without a capital D.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • Dino

        "a lone nutjob" not part of any movement? Im surprised a military man such as yourself hasn't heard of the foiled Fort Dix terror plot that included 5 kosovar muslim albanians who were charged with conspiring to attack a Fort Dix army base and kill as many soldiers as they can with assault rifles and grenades.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • paybacksux

      Exactly. USA is getting the spoils for Clinton oral sex war.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Reply
      • frojo

        Well, the US was quite desperate to get some muslims to totally love them...and hey, the Albanians and the Kosovars are white, which they don't wear towels on their heads and no scruffy beards...oh well, you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind...hope America loves its new muslim allies, just like their current muslim allies like the Saudis (9/11 masterminds) and the Pakistanis (hiding OBL and every other terror loving a-hole)...enjoy US of A, you deserve the friends you make

        September 7, 2011 at 7:21 pm |
    • CICO

      DINO___ take it easy because your Serbia has not excuses ! Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo! If it was just Kosovo then yes, you would have an excuse to cry here!
      As for the KOSOVArs ( and not Kosovan- CNN try to hire some cool people that know what they are doing like "Mr. KIng " etc), they are terrible. Although, I am an Albanian, I can certainly guarantee you that we have nothing in common with the Kosovars – the only attachment is the language. We Albanians, will not ruin out life or day by dealing with your business since, we have more important things to get over with than the F&*^ing Coran/ religion.

      Albanians are looking into making profits. Therefore, try not to mix us next time because is like saying Americans are Talibans. So, do you have anyway to show me on how i can make legal money? If not then let's stop that conversation right here.

      Bracko, Take care and Long live Serbia. As for Kosovo , i suggest you people get some brains before you do a move (stupid people ).

      September 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm | Reply
    • Realist

      @Dino, read carefully:
      You (by you, I mean terrorist nation that kills for pleasure) started a war with
      1. Slovenia
      2. Croatia
      3. Bosnia
      4. Kosovo
      You lost all the wars and now you are claiming that you were the victim.
      Ohh, and not to forget

      5. Vojvodina, which is in the way of getting out of Belgrade madness.
      6....dunno, civil war?


      September 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • Realist

      @Dino, read carefully:
      You (by you, I mean terrorist nation that kills for pleasure) started a war with
      1. Slovenia
      2. Croatia
      3. Bosnia
      4. Kosovo
      You lost all the wars and now you are claiming that you were the victim.
      Ohh, and not to forget

      5. Vojvodina, which is in the way of getting out of Belgrade madness.
      6....dunno, civil war?


      September 8, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Reply
  84. Dongey KonK

    It's all those 'army of one' messages.. so now we're dealing with 'Al Quaida of one'.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  85. Keri

    I see. How long, for instance, did Theodore Kazcynski's Self Sufficiency project carry on for before he was ever suspected of being the Unabomber? Answer: the whole time. His brother turned him in. Is it the role of society to turn in other people for suspicious behavior or radicalism? Such a thing is very annoying, and a detriment to liberty. It's a good thing these people never attack anything worthwhile. Sept 11 was anomaly. Now we have TSA groping us in line. We did a good job combating terrorism. We don't need TSA handjobs. There is a high level of unemployment..I mean, but these disgruntled people don't seem to be able to carry out a destructive plan, a truly destructive plan on a well-thought out area of attack, in the same way that they can't find work. I mean, it's ugly, and disgusting that they simply get a weapon and kill some people in church, or send out Anthrax or mail bombs. It seems to be largely self-rewarding, rather than war or terror. The targets aren't well thought out, in my opinion, but an interesting piece on how larger terrorist bodies are getting basically what I would call minions to carry out troll attacks to generate interest in their pursuits.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
  86. illuminati

    All moslems are terrorists.
    It is time for a Crusade.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    • melvinslizard

      Start with yourself.

      September 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  87. JOE

    Let's face it, the lone wolf terrorist we need to be alert to and worry about are the home grown terrorist known as the Tea Party and their base of supporters, the likes of Sarah Palin, Rush Linbaugh and Donald "The Hitle Youth" Trump. You see, the bigotry and hate that these people are spreading across America only serve to undermine our great democracy and threaten to return us 60 years backward to the Jim Crow era of the 1950's.

    It's one thing to have political differences but when you wish the president of the United States failure and even turned your back on the American flag when the nation celebrated the death of Osama Bin Laden, that alone is in itself a scary thing to behold. And let me say that I'd rather have a radical Muslin as my neighbor than a member of the Tea Party because at least you know where they're coming from since they don't hide under a hood or behind the flag and pretent to be your friend or pretend to have a love of country only to stab you in the back.

    Lone wolf terrorist? Congressman Peter King you need to deradicalize the Tea Party.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • glyder

      hypocrisy or just lying on your part.cmon the muslim is your temporary allie because of your hate for christianity.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Reply
    • Scurge of Hades

      We're not a Democracy we're a Republic did you fail basic US History and Gov't?

      September 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  88. Voltairine

    "L'Etat sait que l'injustice engendre radicalisme et pourtant elle cherche toujours à arrêter le radicalisme, sans s'attaquer à l'injustice, surtout lorsque que l'injustice enrichit les déjà riches ou habilite le déjà puissant. Nous n'avons pas besoin d'être des écrivains ou des poètes ou des philosophes ou des scientifiques pour savoir ce qui entache l'Etat contre nous."

    – Julie Labrouste

    September 7, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • Meemie777

      Hey AZZHOLE, how about some english.. I guess you must be hooked up with some of these guys?? If you spoke in english, we would know wouldnt we??

      September 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm | Reply
    • Friendly Person

      Loosely translated:
      "The state knows that injustice generates radicalism and yet it always tries to stop radicalism, without addressing the injustice, especially when that injustice enriches the already rich and empowers the already powerful. We do not need to be writers or poets or philosophers or scientists to determine what taints the state against us."

      Not my words, just a rough translation for my English-speaking friends...

      September 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  89. reality

    Wow ! A white terrorist killed his fiance's family in Virgina but still racist CNN is ranting about Muslim terrorist who didn't even had a bomb.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • Javier

      shutup f n loser

      September 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
    • You're Stupid

      LMFAO, are you really an illiterate idiot or do you just play one on the internet?

      September 7, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • SuperVal

      Hey Reality, what we generally call a terrorist is someone who uses force multipliers to spread terror and fear in order to increase the amt of "damage" they can do in an effort to express their idealogical differences from the status quo and bring about a change. Taking out your girlfriends family, albeit horrific in itself, is only an act of homocide not an act of terrorism.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Reply
    • glyder

      and the shooter at the i-hop was a socialist according to his facebook many places can you find that.i know,lets all help the tea party create a video game where you shoot progressive pigs.then see how most of the media covers that.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Reply
  90. Who'sRST8?


    September 7, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  91. Gary

    Another Muslim Terrorist!

    September 7, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply
    • Truefax

      When did you convert?

      September 7, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Reply
  92. Truefax

    Arid Uka looks like Anders Behring Breivik with dark hair. I won't worry about lone wolf's, everyone will snitch on them so the chances of success fall to 0 unless they have no contact with people.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Reply
  93. Jeff_North

    Could someone at CNN please define 'terrorism' and 'radicalization' and the context in which they are used? Does it have to do anything with disdain of Arabs and adulation of Israel?

    When a Norwegian massacred over 70 youths at a camp, CNN went into overdrive trying to paint him as a poor lone nut whose hatred of Muslims led to the tragedy. 'Terror' and 'radical' were never used. Why? Perhaps it has something to do with the fact the perpetrator was radicalized by ultra-Zionism.

    I remember a time when CNN had a reputation for honest and insightful journalism. These stories (if you can call them that) dramatize one of the most useless words of the 21st century – TERROR

    September 7, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Reply
    • Nah

      je: "When a Norwegian massacred over 70 youths at a camp, CNN went into overdrive trying to paint him as a poor lone nut whose hatred of Muslims led to the tragedy. 'Terror' and 'radical' were never used. Why? Perhaps it has something to do with the fact the perpetrator was radicalized by ultra-Zionism."

      Not really. "Terrorism" when committed by a "lone wolf" generally presupposes that he's acting on behalf of an ideology connected to a larger group. So while someone who blows up a van in Times Square out of religious ideology - with the hope that it will help a "global" jihad - can be considered a "terrorist", a single person shooting up a camp or a school for his own sake or out of his own personal, political desires, is not a terrorist.

      If a global ideology exists with loosely connected groups (all intending to stop something or promote a cause), then any ideologically driven attacks done (key phrase) "on their behalf" will be terrorist attacks.

      Now please go back to your basement.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm | Reply
      • Jeff_North

        "a single person shooting up a camp or a school for his own sake or out of his own personal, political desires, is not a terrorist."

        Tell that to the families of the victims. The guy admitted he was inspired by ultra-Zionism and the EDL and *acting on their behalf*. Both these groups intend to stop something AND promote a cause, wouldn't you agree.

        and please spare me your childish remarks. All you're doing is belittling yourself


        September 7, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
      • Not Sure

        Your comment actually provides some insight, until you get to the "now please go back to your basement" sign off. Same thing when you end your reply to Voltairine. This really does nothing to get your point across, as you close by insulting the person you were trying to impart your opinion to. You should not do this if your intention is to add something valuable to the discussion.

        September 7, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
      • Nah

        not: "Same thing when you end your reply to Voltairine. This really does nothing to get your point across, as you close by insulting the person you were trying to impart your opinion to."

        True, and yet it provides punch, and there's no better incentive for a person to respond than when they're personally attacked. Hence, it keeps the debate going with healthy levels of animosity.

        Cheers 🙂

        September 7, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • Kevin Lenard

      Jeff, I'm not sure the tit-for-tat back and forth over Muslim vs. Jewish favouritism or demonizing brings much to the debate, your real point is that the media, to get more attention/eyeballs, uses extremism as a marketing tool. What is sad about this trend is that it helps the lunatic fringe out because, instead of looking for signs of socio/psychopathy to identify individuals at high risk of murder and mayhem (to "Frangible's" point: "we used to call them crazy"), we're busy looking for signs of "muslim radicalization". These guys are simply nut jobs, NOT politically motivated 'extremists' as I point out here:

      September 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Reply
  94. bailoutsos

    Today'sterrorist? The lone wolves have caused damage for years. It is just on the internet now.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
  95. tankrothchild

    How about domestic terrorist Hoffa? Calling for the killing of Tea Party Americans? Disgraceful.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:16 pm | Reply
    • U.S.Army-OverLord

      I don't know it's no worse than Sarah Palin having targets on people talking about reload.

      September 7, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    • CallingBS

      How about the entire Tea Party, for calling themselves Americans?

      September 7, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Reply
  96. Frangible

    I remember back in the day when we just called them crazy.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Reply
  97. FauxNews

    Next up, TSA at your front door. Congress will call it, "The Bendover for Freedom Bill"

    September 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm | Reply
    • Babak from LA

      Dude that is so wrong ... but could happen!! I like TSA my gradma really enjoys being searched by them:) Have a good day..

      September 7, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
    • CallingBS

      TSA should be called BRC, for its founders Bush, Rumsfeld Chaney...the most intrusive form of government control on the planet...thanks a bunch guys.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
  98. Sybaris


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        September 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  99. Voltairine

    Civilization knows that injustice spawns, "radicalism", and yet it seeks ever to prevent, "radicalism", without bothering to address injustice, particularly when that injustice enriches the already rich or empowers the already powerful.

    September 7, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • Craul

      Aw... did someone not get thier welfare check this month?

      September 7, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    • Detached in DC

      Injustice breeds radicalism, and radicalism is unjust.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Reply
      • Voltairine

        The founding fathers were radicals.

        September 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
      • Nah

        volt: "The founding fathers were radicals."

        Brilliant equivocation. The type of "radicalism" involved in the U.S.'s revolution isn't the same type of religious or political "radicalism" involved in terrorists blowing themselves up, slaughtering 80 people at a youth camp, and so on.

        The fact that you employ fallacies so easily tends to discredit your own claims of superior intelligence.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • Voltairine

        @Nah Both were the acts of radicals. It is for people to choose which is righteous, which is terrorism, which is insanity, etc. None of this has anything to do with my point...yet again. Civilization, tainted by those of wealth and power, chooses to simply label all radicals as evil, refusing to see or acknowledge why the radicals are doing what they are doing, whether that's blowing people up, dumping tea into the ocean or inciting a righteous revolution, which almost always results in a great deal of bloodshed.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • Rabidmob

      Voltairine, you need to rethink your values, you've just attempted to justify murder.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
      • Voltairine

        @Rabidmob: My values are fine. I did not attempt to nor did I justify murder.

        “What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

        – Thomas Jefferson

        September 7, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Nah

      volt: "Civilization knows that injustice spawns, "radicalism", and yet it seeks ever to prevent, "radicalism", without bothering to address injustice, particularly when that injustice enriches the already rich or empowers the already powerful."

      Alas, volt is babbling again. How cute.

      So anyone who commits a crime or an atrocity is, in your view, only perpetrating the atrocity because they've felt "injustice". Hence, they're justified in blowing up women and children.

      So if the U.S. has felt the injustice of mass killings (9/11), it must be justified in blowing up Iraq or the entire middle east, right?

      You're not very intelligent, volt. I hope you can't vote.

      September 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Reply
      • Voltairine

        @Nah: Your logic is flawed. That injustice spawns radicalism doesn’t mean that radicalism is not also spawned by other things. From your deficient reading spawns your remaining errors. I’m very intelligent and I do vote.

        September 7, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
      • Schmedley

        Just curious, what defines what is "unjust"? Timothy McVeigh thought our whole system was "unjust" enough to justify blowing up 200+ people. He's still a criminal.

        The bottom line is that socially stunted people who harbor a lot of hate and anger are at high risk of committing these types of crimes whether they're Jihadists, Skinheads, Neo-Nazis or the Trenchcoat Mafia (Columbine). They will blame whatever "injustice" they can rationalize in their minds so they can sound like they're some kind of hero.

        At the end of he day, they're all the same. Random wingnuts that need to blame others for their being losers.

        September 7, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
      • Nah

        volt: "That injustice spawns radicalism doesn’t mean that radicalism is not also spawned by other things. From your deficient reading spawns your remaining errors. I’m very intelligent and I do vote."

        Brilliant non-response.

        How did this relate to your original post and my response to it?

        You said, quite plainly, that radicalism is spawned by "injustice" and that society won't fight injustice. How this was relevant to the post is beyond me, but it seems you're justifying "radicalism" because the rest of society won't deal with "injustice".

        Try again?

        September 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
      • Voltairine

        @Schmedley: My point needs no definition of what is unjust; only that injustice exists and that it spawns radicalism. Timothy McVeigh's view (or disorder or whatever) that our whole system is unjust led to his radicalism. Our founding fathers view that Englands tyranny against them led to their radicalism. To take radical steps can be either right or wrong. Yet none of this has anything to do with my point, which is that civilization inevitably knee-jerks to calling radicals, terrorists without even a glance at what could be a righteous call to end injustice. If everybody in history thought as some of you have expounded, there would never have been any rebellions or revolutions, etc.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
      • Nah

        volt: "My point needs no definition of what is unjust; only that injustice exists and that it spawns radicalism. ... Yet none of this has anything to do with my point, which is that civilization inevitably knee-jerks to calling radicals, terrorists without even a glance at what could be a righteous call to end injustice."

        What does this even mean?

        So society doesn't deal with what you think is "unjust" and that may lead to "radicalism". What's your point?

        Saying that Thomas Jefferson was a "radical" to George III doesn't help your position because it's a total non-sequitur. Revolting against a tyrannical king isn't quite the same as blowing yourself up in a market full of women and children.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm |
      • Voltairine

        You stated your own incorrect transposition of my statement into, “So anyone who commits a crime or an atrocity is, in your view, only perpetrating the atrocity because they've felt ‘injustice’”. That was an erroneous act on your part. That injustice spawns radicalism does not mean the reverse, that a radical act was spawned by injustice; radicalism can also be spawned my mental illness, for example. That is how my reply relates to your reply. It only relates to my original post in that I had to correct your mistake. Radicalism is clearly justified under tyranny, as the founding fathers, among others, have shown.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
      • Nah

        volt: "That was an erroneous act on your part. That injustice spawns radicalism does not mean the reverse, that a radical act was spawned by injustice; radicalism can also be spawned my mental illness, for example."

        Once again you're saying nothing.

        Much less, what was the point of your original post? To point out that "radicalism" is spawned by injustice, society doesn't stop injustice, so therefore...what? Nothing?

        Well, no, not nothing. You said that society doesn't "bother" to address injustice, and then went on to say that injustice "enriches" the rich. All criticisms of society, and a seeming attempt at vindicating radicalism. Or at least an attempt at making a dogmatic and unsupported criticism of the rich and society.

        Stop backpeddling on your absurd opinions.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
      • Voltairine

        @Nah: I am rebutting you as you say nothing correct. You keep misinterpreting and mangling what I stated and then calling what you said wrong. I have stated my point repeatedly throughout and recently to yet another of your petulant comments: "Civilization, tainted by those of wealth and power, chooses to simply label all radicals as evil, refusing to see or acknowledge why the radicals are doing what they are doing, whether that's blowing people up, dumping tea into the ocean or inciting a righteous revolution, which almost always results in a great deal of bloodshed."

        September 7, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • VTBobb

      For someone that is "very intelligent" and accusing someone of having "deficient reading", I would expect a little better grammar and spelling. Your use of commas in your original post are perplexing, I would have thought that you understand that civilization does not “know” anything as it is not a sentient being, and your use of “spawns” in the last post is awkward at best.

      Now, as for your assertion that civilization spawns radicalism and does not try to address the cause of the radicalism, what is the basis of your argument? You may want to check some history books. Most significant changes to “civilization” in the last couple hundred years, particularly in our country, were a result of an attempt address injustices, going as far back as the American Revolution. Of course, some of those were in fact radical efforts, but not all (Civil Rights, our intervention in WWI and WWII, Nuremburg trials, re-creation of Israel, etc.).

      So Volt, since in your opinion civilization seems to be the Great Radicalizer (I know, I just made up that word, but I’m not the one talking about how smart I am), what do you suggest anyway? Eradicate civilization and every man for himself?

      September 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Reply
      • Voltairine

        @VTBobb: My uses of commas has been correct. I didn't assert that civilization spawns radicalism. For someone who judges the intelligence of another based on their writing, one would assume that they actually read what was written. My argument was that civilization, which knows that injustice spawns radicalism, nevertheless seeks ever to address the radical rather than the injustice. I imply that this is so because civilization is often corrupted by those that wish to continue to oppress with tyranny. Your references to history only support my point. That which some call radical can also be patriotic to others. No doubt King George III felt that the founding fathers were all radicals; a lot of men felt that feminists fighting for equal rights were (and are) radicals; a lot of white people felt that black people fighting for civil rights were also radicals. Your final questions are pointless to answer since, as I made clear, you too have misread what I wrote.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
      • Nah

        vt: "For someone that is "very intelligent" and accusing someone of having "deficient reading", I would expect a little better grammar and spelling."

        Volt is a pseudo-intellectual who tries to sound smart while, quite literally, saying nothing. When asked to substantiate her assertions, she either 1) repeats the assertions, 2) says some scholar agrees with her, or 3) copies and pastes random and meaningless quotes by "authors", as if they somehow prove her position simply because they restate it.

        It's useless arguing with her.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
      • Voltairine

        @Nah: You're the one that keeps misinterpreting. You're the one that keeps asking me to repeat my obvious point, which being such, isn't nothing as you claim. What quotes I use are neither random or meaningless and many writers quote others. If you feel it is useless to argue with me, then don't; if your flailing attempts to discredit what I said weren't so poor, I'd urge you to continue.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm |
    • Voltairine

      It is amazing how many times you people, some of whom do show intelligence, have misinterpreted and incorrectly made sweeping changes to what I've said under the premise that logic supports those changes, which it doesn't. I would point out also that in this debate, personal rancor also does not support your erroneous positions.

      September 7, 2011 at 4:42 pm | Reply
      • Nah

        volt: "It is amazing how many times you people, some of whom do show intelligence, have misinterpreted and incorrectly made sweeping changes to what I've said under the premise that logic supports those changes, which it doesn't. I would point out also that in this debate, personal rancor also does not support your erroneous positions."

        It's not enough to say that someone has misrepresented your position, that their position is "erroneous", etc. because you have to prove it.

        Conclusory statements aren't enough.

        September 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
      • Voltairine

        @Nah: I have proved your numerous comments as erroneous misinterpretations each time that you have made them.

        September 7, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
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