Foreign policy of GOP candidates begins to take shape
GOP candidates took part in a debate sponsored by CNN in June. Photo: David S. Holloway/CNN
August 19th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

Foreign policy of GOP candidates begins to take shape

By CNN National Security Producer Jamie Crawford

With a sluggish economy and high unemployment showing little sign of relenting anytime soon, foreign policy has understandably maintained a lower profile than its domestic counterpart as the GOP candidates for president barnstorm and debate.

So, we wondered, where exactly do the candidates stand on issues that lie beyond the water's edge? The answer is not so clear at this point.

"Trying to draw definitive conclusions on the basis of what relatively little commentary by the candidates leads you to some perilous waters," said James Lindsay of the Council on Foreign Relations.

While it may be too early to discern each candidate's vision for America's role in the world, two distinct camps are emerging among the candidates on the most pressing foreign policy issue: the war in Afghanistan.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Sen. Rick Santorum embrace what many refer to as the traditional "Republican hawkish internationalism" view that the United States should maintain robust foreign and defense policies, and feel President Obama did not follow the advice of the generals when he announced a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan starting this year.

Perry entered the race only last weekend and was not a part of last week's debate in Iowa, where perennial front-runner Romney took a swipe at the current commander in chief.

"And those generals recommended to President Obama that we should not start drawing our troops down until after the fighting season in 2012," Romney said. "He took a political decision to draw them down faster than that. That is wrong. We should follow the recommendation of the generals, and we should now look for the people of Afghanistan to pick up their fight and preserve that liberty that has been so dearly won."

Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty is part of this camp as well, but he dropped out of the race earlier this month after finishing a distant third in the Ames Iowa straw poll.

It will be interesting to watch how this group of candidates reconciles their view of America's role abroad with their insistence on balancing the federal budget, which would require deep cuts in spending.

Rep. Ron Paul, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson and former Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman are more skeptical of the American involvement in Afghanistan and believe that continued investment there is not worth the cost. In the debate last week, Paul, who supports a more libertarian view toward foreign policy than most of the other candidates, said it was time to switch the security focus to areas closer to home.

"I would suggest that we could do it is pay less attention to the borders between Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and bring our troops home and deal with the border," he said. "But why do we pay more attention to the borders overseas and less attention to the borders here at home?"

While differences exist on the right approach toward Afghanistan, there appears to be little daylight between the candidates on Rep. Michele Bachmann's call to "stand strong behind our most valuable ally, Israel." Lindsay says circumstances could arise to expose differences on the U.S. relationship with Israel, "but clearly, all the candidates want voters to know they intend to be a steadfast friend of Israel."

And what about U.S. support of the NATO-led operation under way in Libya? Many of the GOP candidates find fault with the U.S. approach. At a debate moderated by CNN's John King in June, Bachmann disagreed with the president's approach of "leading from behind" and lending support to a military operation headed by European forces.

"We are the head. We are not the tail. The president was wrong. All we have to know is, the president deferred leadership in Libya to France. That's all we need to know. The president was not leading when it came to Libya," Bachmann said.

In the same debate, Bachmann further criticized U.S. involvement in Libya because of reports that the Libyan opposition could comprise al Qaeda elements.

Former Rep. Newt Gingrich was even more critical. "Ten years after 9/11, our intelligence is so inadequate that we have no idea what percent of the Libyan rebels are, in fact, al Qaeda. Libya was the second-largest producer of people who wanted to kill Americans in Iraq," Gingrich said. "I think that we need to think fundamentally about reassessing our entire strategy in the region."

Huge questions remain on where the candidates stand on a variety of issues like relations with Russia, Iran, North Korea and the Arab Spring countries. Many of the candidates have little or no experience on current foreign policy issues. But Huntsman brings unique perspective to perhaps the most challenging foreign policy issue currently facing the United States: the rise of China. And Bachmann, through her position on the House Select Committee on Intelligence, has exposure to classified information that most of her competitors do not.

Though it's still relatively early in the process, some of the campaigns have begun meeting with advisers to bone up on foreign policy issues. Perry met with several Pentagon officials from Donald Rumsfeld's tenure before jumping into the race. There have also been reports that Romney is being advised by members of the George W. Bush administration and that Huntsman was speaking with Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to George H.W. Bush.

With the start of the nominating contests still five months away, Lindsey says foreign policy experts who advise or lean Republican are willing to speak with any campaign that calls, but "they haven't begun an exclusive relationship" with any one candidate yet.

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    August 22, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  4. Arnold Swartzkauff


    August 22, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Reply
  5. Tom in the Great NW

    The teanut-gop has already given us a sample of their foreign policy; DUBYA ATTACKED the WRONG COUNTRY, IRAQ, and the teanut-gop FORCED THE DOWNGRADING OF US CREDIT.

    August 22, 2011 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  6. Nick

    When is Americans going to finnally figure out that all this debate before elections does not matter. Obama ran on ending all wars and look at his actions, Bush ran on a nonintervention foreign poloicy and look what he did. Now Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann get up and want to say "Horray for the constitution" when she voted for the Patriot act, and he is a Bilderberger. The only one on that stage I trust is Ron paul....period. He has a perfect voting record and does what he says. If you don't vote for him, you'll be just another sucker for the lies and decete of this government.

    August 22, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • Ron Paul Supporter

      Ron Paul is the only candidate that should even be considered for President! I have no idea why it has taken this long for more people to realize this. He is the only one who is prepared to actually "change" this country. Let's get it back to the vision that our founding fathers had in mind. Let's take care of our people at home before trying to stock the billion $ foreign embasy in Iraq with 17,000 soldiers. The poor children of these soldiers need BOTH parents! The media needs to stop portraying him as some nutt case that wants to leagalize drugs. Do your own research, and stop letting people filter information, and telling you what to believe!

      RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

      August 22, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Reply
      • Joe

        I can understand that in this crazy GOP field RP may stand out a bit. However living in 19th century wasn't fun for vast majority, read some history!

        August 22, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
      • Vesstair

        While I have a great deal of respect for Ron Paul and his commitment to his ideals I like things like public schools, highways, cheap clean water, and food which is certified disease-free to vote for him.

        August 22, 2011 at 5:45 pm |
  7. Kira

    I think that this line up is a sad bunch. I think the GOP are doing themselves a disservice by having these people represent them. I think the average sane American is going to look at this panel and decide that they are better off taking their chances with Obama again. They need to find someone better or I think they are guaranteed a big loss come November 2012... they all seem like Lunatics. Where are the moderates? Don't say Ron Paul.. I read up on him and his views do not come across as moderate in any form or fashion. He is just separating himself from the Tea Party because he knows that they are causing themselves more damage than anything.

    August 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • Ron Paul Supporter

      Ron Paul is the best, and only choice to represent this country. "Taking our chances with Obama again" would be the worst decision you or anybody else could make. Think about the future of our country. If you would like more of the same...keep doing the same thing. I take it you like the direction our country is heading in?

      August 22, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  8. Kira

    Somebody PLEASE take G Boy Republican's keyboard and throw it out the window......... for Pete's sake.... He is really abusing his posting privileges...

    August 22, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Reply
  9. World

    If I were a Presidential candidate, I doubt I would meet with Bush's foreign policy advisers. (with the exception of Gates)

    August 22, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Reply
  10. Pistoya

    By the way ..... Who is Ron Paul ?

    August 22, 2011 at 10:12 am | Reply
  11. Pistoya

    What is sad is that we can’t see our foreign policy for what it is, a way for us to take the lead against thugs and tyrants of the world. With our mighty military, we can take the fight to all of the miscreants throughout the world. We can establish forever our dominance over the international governance fabric. Our military is the mightiest in the world and it can be a tool for good in slapping down the forces of evil, which are many. We should ensure that no politician in the government minimizes the importance of our military and that they all will work hard to keep our forces at their ready most availability to deliver shot and shell whenever needed. For this we will need lots of money and we need to have a hands off stance when it comes to cutting our military budget. We actually need to expand our military about 10 fold. Did You know that our war games people have calculated that a protracted war with China could cost as many as 15 million casualties ? Did You also know that our current military force manpower is only about 3 million ? With the current unemployment problem, it’s a no brainer that we can employ about 27 million more soldiers and airmen in pursuit of our mission, which is world dominance with democracy as our vision.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • davec.0121

      This is a joke, right? Expand the military when we can't/won't pay for what we have. I propose that all increases in the defense budget above 2010 levels be funded by increases in taxes. That way, all the Republicans and others intent on maintaining these levels will have the freedom to pay for them rather than increasing the deficit.

      August 22, 2011 at 10:44 am | Reply
    • nancy

      It is a given that Defense Department spending will be drastically cut in any balanced approach to deficit reduction. The United States is not and should not be on a mission of world dominance through military action.

      August 22, 2011 at 11:10 am | Reply
    • Paladin

      Beauty is skin deep, but stupid runs clean, clear through.

      August 22, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      We already spend seven times what #2 China spends. Cuts are in order . . .

      August 22, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Reply
  12. Terry - Indiana

    This is very sad. The GOP is slipping away. This group of clowns would make PT Barnum proud.

    August 22, 2011 at 6:37 am | Reply
    • Kyle

      The last thing on earth that we need is another GOP candidate consulting Revelations and an invisible nothingness in the sky about foreign policy and then coming back to us with an answer from this nothingness.

      August 22, 2011 at 11:13 am | Reply
  13. Bob Ramos

    And what about U.S. support of the NATO-led operation under way in Libya? Many of the GOP candidates find fault with the U.S. approach. At a debate moderated by CNN's John King in June, Bachmann disagreed with the president's approach of "leading from behind" and lending support to a military operation headed by European forces.

    "We are the head. We are not the tail. The president was wrong. All we have to know is, the president deferred leadership in Libya to France. That's all we need to know. The president was not leading when it came to Libya," Bachmann said.

    The question that needs to be asked of all of these bozos (but not Paul) is, "Are you and the American public willing to pay the price that being the world's policeman would cost in terms of lives and resources?" The answer would define them.

    August 22, 2011 at 6:21 am | Reply
    • davec.0121

      Actually, when you get right down to it: why should we be involved at all in Libya or Syria or Iraq? Whilst I wish everyone could live in liberty, it's not our job to use our money and our people to ensure that the Libyans or Syrians or Iraqis have the freedom to live under a different oppressive dictator than the one they have.

      August 22, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • steven

      Many Americans were thrilled to see the French take command of the Libya mission. How does Bauchmann feel now that Tripoli has been taken by the rebels? We did not enter these other Middle Eastern countries until those countries had already gone to hell in a hand basket. Iraq was unfinished business. It is arguable that we entered unprovoked. Our alleged preemptive was just an extension of our previous strike against Hussein when he invaded Kuwait and set the oil fields on fire before leaving. That was one of the worst man made disasters to occur in our lifetime and our invasion of Iraq had legitimacy behind it. Don't forget when he gassed the Kurds and then played cat and mouse for a decade or more with weapons inspectors all the while leading us to believe that he had these weapons but they were well hidden.

      August 22, 2011 at 11:21 am | Reply
  14. Jon

    No matter who the candidate is, they're "professional" politicians on the corporate and special interest group payroll. No change, just a new face to complain about. There needs to be many reforms for this government to work more effectively, you can have the best and the brightest in there and still be stuck. Republicans, Tea Party, Democrats, party politics, pointing fingers in blame at each other so nothing gets done, then point more fingers.

    August 22, 2011 at 3:47 am | Reply
    • Jimmer

      Go read up on Ron Paul and then come back and we can talk..............

      August 22, 2011 at 7:10 am | Reply
      • Jon

        Already researched, Ron Paul isn't too bad and definitely the best of the Republican candidates. I would rather people research their candidates and made a choice from there, not because of what stupid party they're in. Party politics I have a problem with. Just one reform as an example –
        Elections should be tax payer funded. All candidates divide a pool of money.
        1 – We get to see how well they manage the funding allocated
        2 – Special interest is kept a bay
        3 – The candidates have a level playing field.

        August 22, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
  15. Blessed Geek

    We Repubs must lend support for Romney. I support him despite his having traumatized his dog perched on a cage atop his wagon on a 200 mile trip, while traumatizing drivers behind him while his dog's decafeinated defecate acted like air borne deodorant all around the ecosystem behind them.

    He is a sensible Repub. He is a "born again" Repub. Not in the religious sense, but in the social and economic sense.

    He will rebuild this nation from the debt ruins wrought by the infamous GWB. He will rescue and mold our party from its ashes (again inflicted by GWB) back to the days of Nixon and Reagan and even Eisenhower. He will provide affordable healthcare like the ones in his beloved state of MA, but repackaged to something tea huggers will like and accept. He will call a broom a broom (even though technically it is actually a hard-bristled rake).

    Eisenhower had no qualms using federal money to create jobs, so too Romney. We can also trust that he would have measurable amount of support for Israel.

    He would also implement what Obama would have implemented but repackaged in forms palatable to Repubs. He is a proven entity, at least in MA. You should expect oil companies to lose their special tax breaks gradually and silently under his admin. And by reelection time, we all would have affordable hydrogen powered cars.

    August 21, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Reply

      Yo blessed geek, u r rude with ur anti gay comment so SHUT UP BREEDER

      August 22, 2011 at 2:58 am | Reply

      To Libertarianis the way to go. U have a rude mouth on u and u are racist trash.

      August 22, 2011 at 3:17 am | Reply
  16. Blessed Geek

    Dear Mr and Mrs Dole, come out of hibernation and spring into action and I'll vote you guys for President/Vice President. And Gingrich could be your sec of state. And you can peel Bill Cohen out of retirement for Defense.

    BTW, how's the banana business? I see your name stickered on every banana I buy from the market. You don't own the banana business? Do you lend your name to the banana business like you lend it to the pharma company producing the ED pill?

    August 21, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Reply
  17. Andrew Jackson

    Perry an idiot!
    This is news?
    How old is this article?

    August 21, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Reply
  18. Broke

    Unless there is an immediate campaign finance reform, America has no chance of getting close to electing officials who have America's and average American's best interest at heart. Campaign contributions is the string through which corporations and dual citizen Israelis, get all these puppets to dance per their tunes for their best interest. Unless immediate campaign finance reform is brought about, business as usual will continue in Washington, and we are all seing where this is taking us economically and militarily.

    August 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Reply
  19. Descarado

    Hope and Change?
    Recycle Obama 2012!

    August 21, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Reply
    • Howard


      August 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Reply
    • RonPaul20124freedom

      Obama is GARBAGE, the only change he did was make America WORSE.

      For Real Change, Please Vote Ron Paul 2012!


      August 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm | Reply
  20. Gary

    Hey GayBoy whats really dumb is a gay person supporting an evangelical right wing that considers them a disease that needs to be eradicated.

    August 21, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply

      No repubs dont consider gays a disease, they just dont believe in gay marraige, u know just like obama doesnt believe in gay marraige either. Thats fine wit me bro, its a bad example for kids if we legalize gay marraige anyway. U lib dems r killing AMERICA NOT US GAY PEOPLE.

      August 22, 2011 at 1:41 am | Reply
  21. AJ

    Vote Ron Paul or have no real change come to America...its up to you

    August 21, 2011 at 11:12 am | Reply
    • RonPaul20124freedom

      AMEN Brother! Every candidate except Ron Paul is a part of the Establishment, for real change...

      Ron Paul 2012!

      August 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm | Reply
      • Ron Paul Supporter

        RON PAUL 2102!!

        For liberty, and the future of our country! Ron Paul is the only candidate to date that I would support both with my heart, mind, and wallet. There has never been a better opportunity for "change" in this country. We need this man in office now more than ever before!

        August 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
  22. sillyteabagger

    this should be easy for the GOP klan. they limit what countries to include in their policy based on oil production. if you don't have oil.....who cares what happens?.

    August 21, 2011 at 10:00 am | Reply

      Im a tea party gay guy and so is my ole man and our gay friends too, ur an uneducated liar, israel, and lots of nations dont have oil and america protects them. Stop ur lieing mouths u liberal vile warmongering hate mongering evil hate AMERICA RADICAL LEFT WING NUTS, u make me sick with ur filthy lies about republicans. Go palin, huntsman, paul, cain, romney ect, SAVED AMERICA AND SEND DEMS TO MARTHAS VINEYARD FOREVER!!!!!

      August 22, 2011 at 2:10 am | Reply
  23. Hung Lee

    " Many of the candidates have little or no experience on current foreign policy issues" That is so not true, most of these candidates have had chinese or European neighbors and they could see them from their bedroom windows upstairs and monitor their behaviour. Surely that should count for something you morons.

    August 21, 2011 at 7:02 am | Reply

      The only thing that makes sense about ur lib dem crap is your first name hon. now go learn about AMERICA AND THE LIEING HATE FILLED DEMBOS AND COME BACK AND SAY U R SORRY.

      August 22, 2011 at 2:21 am | Reply
  24. Gay Dude

    I am also a gay guy in my 20's.

    Number one, STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS...

    Number two, The excessive use of honey, hun, huni or similar is quite annoying.

    Number three, I support Mitt Romney. He seems like a level headed guy who appears to have his personal life in order. He will be a confidence boost to America.

    August 21, 2011 at 12:59 am | Reply
    • El Kababa

      A gay man who votes Republican is voting for people who would put him in jail if they had their way. A gay man who is a Conservative is like a Black man who wants to join the KKK. Go figure.

      August 21, 2011 at 10:03 am | Reply
      • Blessed Geek

        30 years ago, or so, a black member of the Canadian KKK sued the KKK for expelling him. You should be either too young or not yet born at that time to recall the case.

        August 21, 2011 at 10:44 pm |

        No comment to u, other than u are a sad dembo and very stupid on political issues. GO FIGURE HATER!

        August 22, 2011 at 2:43 am |

      well SWEETHEART sounds like u are smart on the issues, I think romney could beat obama. was that better?

      August 22, 2011 at 2:31 am | Reply
  25. Gary

    A good lifestyle on minimum wage???? With how many jobs??? Surely not with one.

    August 20, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Reply
  26. Gary

    After reading a bunch of your posts I have come to the conclusion that you are either delusional or a plant. Or Both.

    August 20, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Reply


      August 20, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Reply
      • Gay Dude

        Check out my response.

        August 21, 2011 at 1:00 am |
      • Kira

        The fact that you said Dems use Beautiful Black Americans for the vote bothers me. Granted.. ALL politicians try to appeal to all different types of groups whether it be because of Race, Sexual preference, religion, or social class... It bothers me that people insist that Black people vote for Obama because he is black. Why did white people vote for him? Why do latinos vote for him but Blacks only vote for him because he is black! wow.. that's insulting. In my opinion many of the republicans come across as having racist ideas to me so I naturally wouldn't vote for THEM so he was the better option but What if there was a Latino candidate and i voted for him?? what would be the excuse then? I voted for him because he was a minority? IF a woman ran and i voted would it be because she was a woman. Regardless of the way the media seems to promote the ghetto, poor, uneducated black person there are actually Black people who are successful, enlightened, confident, and not bound by race, I happen to be one of them. Being that you are in love with a black man I would expect better from you. Do I think Obama is a worst president than Bush? NO Do i think he could have done some things different? YES Do i think that REPUBLICANS have fought him on every single issue? YES. IF there was a candidate that I thought would represent me and do better for America would i vote for him instead of Obama? YES! in a second regardless of his Race..... However if you offer me the people that are in the GOP lineup right now... I am sorry Obama is the better choice. Its called the lesser of 2 evils. We don't like all the choices that we have to make but You have to make the BEST ONE and that is Obama right now. Things can always get worst. put a religious, racist fanatic in office and you will see a destruction like never before!

        August 22, 2011 at 2:32 pm |


      August 20, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Reply
      • Blessed Geek

        Is Huntsman part of the party? I mean part of the Friday night party at the gay pubs for repubs? Is he a closeted latter day gay?

        August 21, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
  27. SiriusVH

    Can Bachmann see Libya from her doorstep?

    August 20, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Reply

      Can u see defeat in 2012 for liberal radicals, I can, and im a gay man voting out obama and voting in huntsman, a moderate. Tea party aint racist. U libs r trash the way u talk about palin, u call her a bitch and a kunt. U sound like trashy kids. And obama mama, stop voting for his skin colour like u lib dems are doing. U are so gross and uneducated on the facts.

      August 20, 2011 at 7:14 pm | Reply

      Yes Palin can see Russia from Alaska as its landmass is only 50 miles away and its islands r closer than that. Please educate yourselves dems before u make anymore DUMB DEMBO COMMENTS. PLEASE DEMS U ARE AN UNEDUCATED GROUP OF DUMB PEOPLE WHO MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE SILLY AND AN EMBARESSMENT TO AVERAGE AMERICANS. NOT ALL DEMS ARE RETARTED. MODERATE DEMS R OK.

      August 20, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Reply
      • Ree

        Why don't you talk properly?

        August 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
  28. Brownstain

    How do I teach my children that capitalism is better than communism when the only thing keeping this country alive is money borrowed from the biggist commie country on the planet

    August 20, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Reply

      That is a lie honey, we owe china a little over a trillion dollars. The rest of our debt, about 13.2 trillion dollars is owed to others. Get ur facts straight AMERICAN DEMS. U GUYS ARE EITHER VERY UNEDUCATED OR THE BIGGEST LIARS ON EARTH. A PROUD GAY REPUBLICAN TIRED OF DEMBOS LIEING. AND PALIN IS WONDERFUL, U GO GIRL.

      August 20, 2011 at 7:35 pm | Reply
    • mkjewel

      teach them the difference between free market capitalism and crony capitalism

      August 21, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Reply
  29. a stupid congressman


    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
    The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.

    August 20, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Reply
    • Gary

      Only suggestion is for number 4. Their pay increases should match the average of what they give for increases to people on SS and the minimum wage.

      August 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Reply

        The minimum wage should be raised NOW TO 15 dollars for americas poorer people and medicare should pay NOW for elderly to have beautiful teeth. Older folks cant even smile in their golden years, its a shame. Proud repub, huntsman sounds good to me and my hubby. Obama is TOO LIBERAL. Im tired of obama giving trillions to rich bankers ect. When the money should go to black americans to buy u HOMES FOR PAST CRIMES AGANIST UR PEOPLE IN AMERICA, INSTEAD HES CONTENT TO LEAVE BLACK FOLK IN GANG INFESTED HOUSING PROJECTS, IF U BUY THESE FOLKS HOMES THAT WOULD CREATE MILLIONS OF JOBS EVERWHERE AND PULL THE ECONOMY UP, WAY UP. HE DONT CARE AMERICA SO VOTE MODERATE REPUB HUNTSMAN

        August 20, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • skinny

      Excellent ... of course that means it does not stand a chance.

      August 20, 2011 at 10:09 pm | Reply
    • Broke

      Unless there is an immediate campaign finance reform, America has no chance of getting close to electing officials who have America's and average American's best interest at heart. Campaign contributions is the string through which corporations and dual citizen Israelis, get all these puppets to dance per their tunes for their best interest. Unless immediate campaign finance reform is brought about, business as usual will continue in Washington and we can all see where this is taking us economically and militarily.

      August 21, 2011 at 10:11 am | Reply
  30. GOP Hate America

    All the GOP believe in is war so they can shove their peaceful christian ideals down every ones throat with the blood of our sons not theirs

    August 20, 2011 at 4:26 pm | Reply
    • James Chapman

      I do agree with you that we need to stop causing and involving our troops in conflicts. Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate who is intent on withdrawing troops while the other want to expand our influence and expend our troops' lives while we pay for it. Obama's administration and newly appointed Defense Secretary Panetta said that Iraq said they want us to stay there through next year, but they immediately rejected his claims and said no agreement has been made. They are also trying to approve our presence in Afghanistan for 13 more years from now. Im in Afghanistan right now and Ron Paul has more support from military members than all the others combined. He also has more support from them than Obama has. That tells me a lot, in addition to his consistency in his 30 or so year in congress and impeccable record. Being elected and re-elected 12 times tells me a lot about his support from the district he is assigned to in Texas. I am a born-again Christian, but I agree with you about candidates who use their Christianity to win votes, whereas although Ron Paul is a Christian, he does not use it for political gain because it is a personal and not a public issue. Thanks for your comment! RON PAUL 2012!

      August 20, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Reply

      Dear gop hate america, sorry honey but the gop hasnt started a war in a decade. But the radical left is fixing to start war number 4 in syria. The dems are fully responsible for all wars at this time as obama as commander in chief has continued the wars or started them, like in afganistan where he added tens of thousands of troops or Libya or soon syria and he continues in iraq. U dems are hate ful warmongers because u like to spend spend spend. And how CAN U CARE ABOUT AMERICAN BOYS BLOOD IN WAR WHEN U MURDER MILLIONS OF BLACK CHILDREN WITH ABORTIONS TO NAME A FEW PEOPLE U DEMBOS PERMIT TO BE KILLED EVERY YEAR, BUT WHY WOULD U CARE? Its just another black child to u ugly white liberal a proud gay man whose white wit my black husband and u uneducated dems make us puke. Go huntsman a moderate repub.

      August 20, 2011 at 8:03 pm | Reply
      • libertarianisthewaytogo

        as with all of your comments you have posted, I'm having a hard time telling whether you're trolling or just plain ignorant and stupid

        August 21, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • Polly

      I can say only one word .Libya.

      August 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm | Reply
  31. BL

    They were all on board for an unfunded an illegal war that cost thousands of American lives, tens of thousands American disabilities and millions of displaced or murdered Iraqi's. Additionally, it changed the balance of power in the Mideast in favor of mortal enemy Iran.

    August 20, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  32. nytw

    Since CNN has blocked comments on a story about Rick Perry I will make my comments here.
    The other story says Rick Perry has won 11 elections in Texas. That is the problem. Perry, Gingrich, Paul, Obama, Reid, Bachmann, etc. are nothing but career politicians. They are the problem not the solution. Hopefully, a real American, with real world experience not political experience, will soon standup and run for President.

    August 20, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Reply
    • sector7

      Research Paul for a few hours. You'll see he is that man.

      August 20, 2011 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • ...Ummm...

      what about Herman Cain???

      August 20, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Reply
  33. The King

    The GOP foreign policy vision: WAR

    August 20, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply

      The war in iraq was voted on by a majority of dems, its not bush's war. Now iraq, afganistan, libya, and soon syria are the dembos wars because they continue them or start them. Huntsman wants ALL troops home from afganistan the day he gets elected. We must stop the extremist left wing dems and their 4, SOON wars. A gay tea party member, thats me and my black husband, and a black man was a founder of the tea party. Vote huntsman, he seems moderate to me. Tea party aint racist.

      August 20, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  34. conoclast

    What It All Comes Down To:

    The coming election will be a referendum on the value of education in America - not just higher education; ANY education!

    August 20, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
  35. conoclast

    OMG, Bachman, the tea-bag poster-child idiot is privy to defense secrets?? Now THERE'S a scary thought! One wonders when in her campaign she'll play the I-know-something-you-don't-know card, hmm? Nothing seems to be beneath her!

    August 20, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Reply

      No a real scary thought is dumb dems like u making ur dumb dembo comments that the rest of the world reads and then thinks americans are all brain dead. Get a life and make wise comments, oh ur a dembo, SORRY MARY.

      August 20, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Reply
  36. Johnson

    Mitt Romney's primary Foreign Policy has been to Outsource to India and China thus reducing debt and increasing profits. Look into his history and anyone can see this.

    August 20, 2011 at 11:11 am | Reply
  37. JayEm

    Ron Paul has the best foreign policy and that is "bring the troops home" plain and simple.
    Ron Paul is having another money bomb, today being his birthday. Please show your support at ronpaul2012 dot com.

    August 20, 2011 at 11:10 am | Reply
  38. Bill

    I wish we had taken some oil from Iraq to help pay for the war but we didn't, and Afganistan has no oil.

    August 20, 2011 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • conoclast

      Ah, but they do produce the bulk of the world's opium; that's not exactly overlooked by policy makers - especially those who know a cash cow when they see one! Why be judgemental when there's big money to be made, ya know?

      August 20, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Reply
  39. us1776

    GOP Foreign Policy = START WAR-FOR-PROFIT ASAP !!


    August 20, 2011 at 10:36 am | Reply
    • FamilyForce6

      Obama's foreign policy:
      Say you're going to bring the troops home from Iraq, then start a war Libya and double the number of troops in Afghanistan.
      Ron Paul = Liberty-Peace

      August 20, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
    • James Chapman

      They are also trying to approve our presence in Afghanistan for 13 more years from now. Im in Afghanistan right now and Ron Paul has more support from military members than all the others combined. He also has more support from them than Obama has. That tells me a lot, in addition to his consistency in his 30 or so year in congress and impeccable record. Being elected and re-elected 12 times tells me a lot about his support from the district he is assigned to in Texas. I am a born-again Christian, but it irritates me to see candidates using their Christianity to win votes. Although Ron Paul is a Christian, he does not use it for political gain because it is a personal and not a public issue. Thanks for your comment! RON PAUL 2012!

      August 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm | Reply

      No u are wrong, the 4wars we will soon be in are ALL democrates wars, obama could have ended them but he is now marching us into war number 4. Dems policy on war is spend spend spend. GOD SAVE AMERICA FROM RADICAL LEFT WING EXTREMIST LIKE ALL THE DEMS AND OBAMA. A PROUD HOMOSEXUAL WHO PUTS MY NATION ABOVE MY GAYNESS. VOTE HUNTSMAN HES MODERATE. TEA PARTY, I AM ONE AND WE AINT RACIST. ASK MY BLACK HUSBAND. STOP THE LIES AND HATE RADICAL LEFT WING DEMS.

      August 20, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  40. lefty avenger

    Republican foreign policy is simple: attack all muslim nations that have oil and take it for the oil barons. Alienate all other western nations by being ignorant that they even exist. Republicans=Bush Oligarchy.

    August 20, 2011 at 9:16 am | Reply
    • Charles

      Nice of you to forget about Ron Paul, the only major candidate on either side who is fully against the wars, and yes that includes Obama. If you want to continue this never ending war, then pick one of the status quo candidates. If you want us to stop wasting billions, possibly trillions of dollars on an unjust war, then follow the candidate that our active duty military and veterans support with their hard earned cash in Ron Paul.

      August 20, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Reply
    • James Chapman

      They are also trying to approve our presence in Afghanistan for 13 more years from now. Im in Afghanistan right now and Ron Paul has more support from military members than all the others combined. He also has more support from them than Obama has. That tells me a lot, in addition to his consistency in his 30 or so year in congress and impeccable record. Being elected and re-elected 12 times tells me a lot about his support from the district he is assigned to in Texas. I am a born-again Christian, but I cannot stand watching candidates who use their Christianity to win votes. Although Ron Paul is a Christian, he does not use it for political gain because it is a personal and not a public issue. Thanks for your comment! RON PAUL 2012!

      August 20, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  41. S-Hug

    The only Republican with a sensible foreign policy (and the only one I'd vote for) is RON PAUL. His policy is that we should mind our own business, stop spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on wars for Big Oil, and bring our troops home.

    August 20, 2011 at 3:37 am | Reply
    • lefty avenger

      The Republican Junta will never allow Ron Paul to Win. End the middle eastern oil baron wars on Big Oil and the failed drug war for Big Pharma? No way, WAR is bread and butter for republicans. Without the spending with violence and killing, republicans are unhappy. They have guns and want to use them....all the time!

      August 20, 2011 at 9:18 am | Reply
      • MC

        I would include "war being the bread and butter for Democrats" as well...

        WW1, President Wilson – D

        WW2, President Roosevelt – D

        Korea, President Truman – D

        Vietnam, President Kennedy/Johnson – D

        Balkan wars and air strikes, Clinton – D

        Although I will give it to the Bushies 1&2 for really trying hard to make sure the Repubs are counted for.

        Ron Paul is the most sane man in the running.

        August 20, 2011 at 10:11 am |
  42. Paul Schneider

    After WW2, it was thought that the US would tailspin into recession because the Gov't "laid off" all the returning soldiers, and cancelled all, or most, defense contracts. Well, it didn't, and we started booming, with the private sector expanding very swiftly, and in the right ways, by responding to what consumers wanted. Free markets WORK. Ron Paul is our best choice for 2012.

    August 20, 2011 at 12:24 am | Reply
    • Gary

      Free markets don't exist either here or abroad. Back in those days the tax rates on the rich were way higher than today and the distribution of wealth in the country was such that the people of the country had income that was growing and more money to spend. Many families were able to live fairly well on a single income. There also wasn't much in the way of foreign competition. To all the folks that pine for the Reagan yeas or the Clinton years or whatever era you prefer. those days are gone and will not be coming back.

      August 20, 2011 at 1:43 am | Reply

        Yes gary mary u sound like a comie. America will be back when losers like u move to syria, and PLEASE BE SURE TO PROTEST LOUDLY, VERY LOUDLY WHEN U GET THEIR MARY. THANKS

        August 20, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
  43. The_Mick

    Romney: "We should follow the recommendation of the generals, and we should now look for the people of Afghanistan to pick up their fight and preserve that liberty that has been so dearly won." +++++ Does anyone think that the people of Afghanistan have "liberty" with the corrupt Karzai regime? They don't in Afghanistan. And Romney is not stupid – he knows it as well. But he figures enough Americans are stupid enough to buy this mudslinging at the U.S. President who should get ALL our boys out of there now.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Reply

      Mick hon obama aint gonna end the war in afganistan because dems have NEVER SEEN A WAR THEY DIDNT WANT TO SPEND SPEND SPEND ON. GOT IT. NOW GO GET UR SELF AN ASPIRIN AND PREPARE TO GET UR BUTTS SMEARED LIKE U DID IN 2010. Go repubs 2012.

      August 20, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Reply
  44. Chuck Hendrix, Jasper Ga

    Our Foreign Policy in the Persian Gulf and the Middle East is a sick joke. It is a shame that Americans, to include our so called leaders of government do not actually take the time to study history. If they did they would have to seriously question our "policy". We have been involved in the Persian Gulf and Middle East since 1940. We have been trying to manipulate the political climate as well as taken a posture of "containment". Seventy years we have been arming, funding, assisting, rebuilding, bribing, propping up various leaders and regimes all for one reason and one reason only. Oil. We armed trained and financed Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war to ensure Iraq was able to defeat Iran in the 80's. In the 90's we had to go to Kuwait to disarm Iraq and kick them out of Kuwait. We supported Mubarak in Egypt. We supported and supplied the 'resistance fighter" to oppose the Russian during the Russian occupation in Afghanistan. , the Shah of Iran, Karzai, the list goes on and on. We have spent trillions of dollars fighting wars that can never be considered "victorious". We have spent trillions of dollars to prop up various leaders and governments. All for oil. .The philosophy was to contain any hostilities to that region as well as keep the flow of oil... flowing. Does it appear to have been successful? Not from where I sit. Do we do this type of crap for another 70 years? We could have developed other sources of petroleum, other forms of powering our nation if we had had the pine to do so 50 years ago. Instead we keep doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result.Every nation we have assisted or rebuilt with the exception of Saudi Arabia has spit in out faces after they get what the want. It's time to take a different course or else we can expect these things to continue for a lot more years.

    August 19, 2011 at 9:25 pm | Reply
    • 40acres

      I don't think you can include Saudi Arabia as one who has not spit on us....they certainly don't talk us up with their people. That's one way they use to deflect the anger from know, that unholy America.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Reply
    • Gary

      It won't change anytime in the near future for the same reasons that we won't come up with a new way to power our country. Too many people and corporations are making too much money off of it from oil companies to mercenary outfits to suppliers like Halliburton and the politicians that are bought and paid for by them. They will ride the carbon fuels till they are gone and only then will they get serious about coming up with something new.

      August 20, 2011 at 1:52 am | Reply
  45. Greg Stewart

    Doesn't Curveball tell them what to do?

    August 19, 2011 at 9:09 pm | Reply
  46. Texas History Expert

    No we didn't.

    August 19, 2011 at 8:04 pm | Reply
  47. QZ

    Presidential campaign does not make any sense to me, because capitalists rule America.

    August 19, 2011 at 7:29 pm | Reply
  48. Bob

    It's Not To Late The People Of The World Are Asking All American People For Help. Not our Government.
    by Robert Gainer on Friday, August 19, 2011 at 1:53pm
    First let me say this. The other Country's that hate us do not hate the American People just the Government that run America. Its the back room deals our Government have made with the Big Corporations,The Big Banks to fight the wars we as Americans did not want. I'm Wondering why they with all the Money they have did not send in their own troops and spend their own money rather then The American Tax Payers Money. The Greed our Big Government, Big Banks and Big Corporations have Put us as Americans in the debt we are in now. Just fighting the wars to make them much more wealthier and still send all American work and jobs to the third World Countries. I am Wondering why you don't understand why other World Governments don't Like our Government? Think about this if you are another Government and you don't Do what The USA Government,World Banks, and the Big Corporations of the Greediest of all in our World. They just come to your Nation and Blow the hell out of it tell they give in to their way,Who cares just take them out tell we control what Our Big Dishonest Government want. I am an American and I am not my Government. I Love all People of this World and I am scared of my own Government and do not trust it at all so why would any other Country's and Governments of this World.Think about this all Politicians Elected as representattives of our Government will be and are Rich compaired to the Worlds People as well as the average American people because of all the back room deals, That no American should have to put up with.They say they represent us Big,Big Bull only them self.We are losing our Homes our Jobs our way to live and to feed our self and Families. You see if us as Americans do not wake up Our own Government will Blow the Hell out of us as well or lock us up. But thats okay just keep listing to the Media that buy the way our Government tells them what to say and do because you see when we the People Of America and of the World have no jobs no food no Homes, The Media will because the are all so very Rich themselves so why would they care. You can not trust a word they say as well. The Media is not what it used to be they have no balls they are just Puppets to our Big Government,Big World Banks,Big Corporations,and the last, the Big one the Federal Reserve that has nothing to do with our Government.We as Americans have nothing to do with what our Government has done to other Governments and Countries or their people.I also say close down the Federl Reserve like other Presidents wanted to do in the past,We are slaves to the Banks to the Federl Reserve and the World Bank.Time to wake up Americans the World's People are asking for all American People to Help. Not only to save them but us as people of America.Vote out all the now and career Politicians that think they represent this Great Country.Only we the people can show the World we are not Our Government. Oh bye way Take a listen to Ron Paul You May Like what he stands for the Media well not cover him. Big Brother our Government and the Media have their own agenda. Why would they? I am sure they would not like to lose there Gravy Train. At this point I will Vote for Ron Paul for President I only wish he was running as a indepentent because that is what I am. Ron Paul is the most Honest of all that is running for now but mark my words the Media and other Politicians will slam him very soon. Ask your self this why would the Media the now Politicians,our Government,the Federl Reserve,Big Banks and the Very Big Corperations and the Very Very Rich want the Power they have over all of us as Americans and People of the World taken away from them?? Even if you don't think you like Ron Paul go out of your way to just listen to him. I'm sure the Media will come around very soon to prove him wrong with lies that all of the above that do have there own agenda.

    August 19, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • Chuck Hendrix, Jasper Ga

      bull.. Have you ever been to the Middle East? I have. They hate Americans. I am an American. I have been there. I have seen the hate, I have listened to the preaching of hate for America and the American people. Little of it ever mentioned the "government".

      August 19, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Reply
      • It's not black and white

        I served in the Middle East and I saw none of the hate that you speak of. I was in Kuwait, and the Kuwaitis loved us. Some of the poorly educated third-country-nationals could be a little more stand-offish, but whenever I walked up to them and tried to speak Arabic, they instantly wanted to be my friend and hear my thoughts. My brother reported the same sentiment from Iraq.

        My experience leads me to believe that what you see is a reflection of yourself. If you view the Arabs as enemies, then they appear to hate America. If you view them as your fellow human beings, you'll get the respect you deserve. Of course there are many Arabs (and a lot of other people throughout the world) who hate our government. We can help change that by leading by example, acting morally, not exploiting others, and minding our own business when we should.

        August 20, 2011 at 1:22 am |
  49. Jarhead

    Beautiful weather today!

    August 19, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  50. Mike

    The fact that anyone would vote for Ron Paul blows my mind..Doesnt it concern anyone that he is okay with Iran having a nuke? I wonder how many people would vote for Ron Paul if there was a war being fought on our soil...when Iran wipes Isreal off the map are all of the Paul supporters going to be okay with that? There is a lot of radical hate in the middle east and I find it hard to believe that America will sleep better at night because all the troops are at home but Iran has nukes.

    August 19, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Reply
    • Chris B.

      Like Ron Paul has said before, Iran is simply trying to protect itself from the harm of other countries by arming itself with nuclear weapons. Iran is surrounded by some of the world's most populated and dangerous countries. What makes it okay for us to have nukes anyways? Why is it okay for the U.S. To have nukes but no other country can?

      August 19, 2011 at 3:24 pm | Reply


        August 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • Sjmfury

      If Iran sent a Single Nuke to ANY WHERE on the Planet they would be DECIMATED by the WORLD. Ron Paul is right, this fear mongering bull **** can only go on so long. As a Future Seaman I can say that occupying these countries is ILLEGAL and unneeded. What we need to do is EXERCISE OUR POWER of OUR NAVY. Our Navy, especially our Nukes can be put AROUND the WORLD without having to be on anyone's soil. Ron Paul is the ONLY ANSWER, and the ONLY PERSON who SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

      August 19, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Reply
    • Sjmfury

      Do some Research on Ron Paul then make a valid statement.

      Ron Paul 2012!

      August 19, 2011 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • The Empire Strikes Back

      You have no problem with China and Russia possessing thousands of nuclear weapons? This is not just the tactical kind either. Both have gobal ICBM capability and could obliterate Israel. Look, I fear Communism, Allah, and God equally if one kills in the name of Communism, Allah, or God. Right now, Communism is still the number one threat to my property, with taxes a close second. Slavery, either, by any other name.

      August 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
    • Jim

      We have done it YOUR way for decades.........IT DOESN'T WORK. What part of "we overthrew their government (Iran)" and put in a puppet" doen't you understand?????????????????????????????

      August 20, 2011 at 12:02 am | Reply
    • lefty avenger

      We are in the middle east for one thing: Steal oil for the oil barons. America does not care about the situation of the people in muslim countries, they just want to take their oil. The U.S. military is being used by Big Oil as their mercenary force to acquire natural resources. Every time an Arabic country has turmoil, which is every other week, you want to rush our troops in their to kill them all and take their oil. This is why america is so hated. We have no business there and it's time to bring the troops home and fortify our own borders and security. Then, let's work on alternate energy to oil. Go head Ron Paul: end the oil baron wars and the big pharma drug war. Time to end WAR, it is too expensive!

      August 20, 2011 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • Aaron

      Do you HONESTLY think that Iran is stupid enough to try and Nuke Israel. They would be signing their own death sentence. 1. Israel has 300 nukes, some guaranteed to auto launch if there is an attack against it. 2. The rest of the world would F_CK up Iran afterward. Ever hear of Mutually Assured Destruction? Grow up and quit being a pussy warmongerer.

      August 20, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Reply


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  51. Mike

    I agree with this letter and I agree that there is no job Americans wont do. I think that the reason why these physically demanding jobs are not being filled by Americans is because our government offers too many entitlements to people that dont work or even attempt to find work. Why would people actively search and apply for these jobs when the government will give them a paycheck, subsidised housing, medical benefits, and food stamps for sitting on their butt at home? All of these entitlements are making Americans lazy. America was developed on the principle of hard work. We need to get back to the country having the attitude that they need to work hard to become successful in life and that nothing in life if going to be handed to you on a silver platter because other people have a lot of money and can afford to give you some. Illegals are working because if they dont, they will not have anything. Americans rely too much on the fact that if they dont work, someone will help them.

    August 19, 2011 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Brian

      Unfortunately if you read the letter carefully he said "at a decent wage." Which means he thinks if all illegals magically disappeared, wages would all go up to $15+ an hour and everyone would be happy. This is obviously wrong. There are goods and services that are worth dollars, pennies in a free market and these jobs have to be done by someone. They cannot be done by Americans who don't want to break the law and work under the table. "At a decent wage" is a huge qualifier - a decent wage to me is 100+ dollars an hour because of my skillset and to others it would be 15 or 20.

      The best thing for the economy would be to abolish the minimum wage as a price floor, but at the same time guarantee subsidized housing and benefits for anyone who worked under the minimum wage. Business can now pay whatever salary or wage they want, and citizens don't have to worry about going homeless as long as they are working. Of course this would anger both liberals and conservatives, so it will never happen.

      August 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Reply
      • Meadmaker

        While I agree, in principal,
        it will never happen. Many fully employed people in this country, live below the poverty line, and qualify for government benefits. That means that for every person making minimum wage, and working full time, we the taxpayers are subsidizing their employers payroll. While the board members CEO, CFO, etc. make obscene salaries, and bonuses, not to mention their health packages. To me this is just wrong. Why should my taxes go to support Corporate bonuses??
        I think we need to dump all free trade agreements, and go back to import tariffs. We also need to fine companies, whose employees still qualify for government assisstance, so the average taxpayer does not have to subsidize their payroll.

        August 19, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
      • Gary

        Your idea would never work. Eliminate the minimum wage and do the subsidy you speak of and you would have the government having to subsidize most of the countries housing. All major companies will pay as little to their employees as they can get away with and it doesn't matter what your skill set is. They all compare notes and set wages based on what each other is paying. All it takes is one or two of them to drop what they pay for any given level and they all follow along. I worked in high tech for 30 yrs and in that time watched them give cut after cut in the wages and benefits of the workers while CEO and top execs got obscene raises and bonuses and corporate profits went thru the roof. The market also rewards layoffs and down-sizing. Most often when a business does cuts the market feels like they are being prudent and managing their costs so their stock price rises so then next time they want to bump stock prices the dump more people. American workers productivity right now is the highest it has ever been and yet working wages have been stagnant for most for nearly 25-30 years. The major flaw in capitalism is that the whole system is based on Greed and greed is one of the most destructive traits of the human race.

        August 20, 2011 at 2:15 am |
      • Brian

        If I were to give it more thought I would only subsidize the wage up to the minimum wage and set the minimum wage floating with CPI and inflation. The government would only top up the salary up to minimum wage if a company decided to pay an individual less than minimum wage. That would mean all the people whose skills are worth less than the minimum wage suddenly have work and a good lifestyle while people whose skills are worth more than the minimum wage would not be affected at all. Despite all the IT outsourcing, your skills are worth more than the minimum wage by default so you would not be affected. Neither would anyone who was currently paid more than the minimum wage, because one would presume they are paid that much right now instead of at the minimum wage because their skills demand it. Yes, corporations would move to slash everyone making the minimum wage right now down to 0 to save money and have the government pay the wage instead of themselves, but the only people who really work at the minimum wage are McDonald's workers or caregivers. The rest make more, around 15-20 an hour. Nobody really lives at the minimum wage other than students and illegals. A more well thought out policy would have this wage subsidy only available to family men/women, or only available to someone over 22 and out of school. What this new policy would create is a whole new category of worker who makes between 0 and the minimum wage, one which does not legally exist right now.

        So yes, there are ways to make the plan work and remove a price floor. The basic fact is that people whose skills are worth under the minimum wage right now are being forced out of the workforce because of a law, and have the unenviable choice of either going on government benefits, working illegally, or going back to school. And quite frankly, there will always be some people who can't handle school and whose skills are worth $5 an hour. These people are being denied work by the very law which is supposed to protect them.

        August 20, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
    • Joel

      There are plenty of jobs Americans won't do. Americans are too 'educated' to flip burgers at McDonalds, key word being educated. Past tense, meaning they are no longer learning, they are too good to learn, making them too stupid to realize that learning is something that we should be doing everyday. Georgia passed a stupid 'immigration reform' law that endangered their entire crops for this year, because even the legal immigrants moved out of the state. Americans did not apply for these jobs!!! If there are subsidies and paychecks that I can get for sitting on my @$* then I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET THEM!!! I have worked hard my entire life and deserve more than the 11.25 I get right now, working 40 hours a week (which I couldn't find a job while Bush was in office, went 3.5 years without a job after losing a job with him in office) The government needs to lift the ban on immigrants, and realize that the world was put here for us all, not to be imprisoned in the country we were born in, but to journey out and make a life wherever we want. Especially since lazy dilapidated Americans aren't going to to most of the jobs that are out there aside from pushing a pencil or watching a machine operate – they won't even work for the DOT anymore propping up on a shovel!!!

      August 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Reply
      • lisa2011

        you're right there are a lot of jobs in america, and yeah people feel like they're too educated to work those jobs... hey i'm a registered nurse with a bachelor's degree and on the side i flip hamburgers at McDonald's to keep up with inflation,, everything is so expensive... anyway i see some of my former patients at the McDonald's i work at and they're surprised, but i tell them l love both of my jobs... i have no savings and everything goes to bills and rent and food.... God bless u for telling like it is....

        August 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm |
  52. Rick Perry

    A Phoenix will rise from the ashes of disaster; blessed with the scriptural leadership, charisma and cognitive ability to once again shine the light of prosperity on this great nation. This leader is named Rick Perry.

    Rick Perry 2012

    August 19, 2011 at 2:22 pm | Reply
    • Sjmfury

      Tricky Ricky is not going anywhere with that silver tongue.

      August 19, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Reply
    • saintbob

      ya right

      August 19, 2011 at 7:53 pm | Reply
    • D-Nice

      You can't be for real. I feel really sorry for you my friend. To quote a Reagan conservative, "Perry is an idiot".

      August 20, 2011 at 1:40 am | Reply
  53. The Empire Strikes Back

    From the comments here, on no less than CNN itself, it is clear that Ron Paul's message is no longer just pulling traditional Democrat and Republican voters away from their old camps and into a common "Constitutional American" camp. Beating America's old liberty drum steadily for over 30 years in Congress has transformed its pull into a tidal wave. We are at a crossroads to redefine America on its original principles, to rebel against (a) Imperialism, which is sophistry for Global Military Dictatorship, and (b) Taxation, which is sophistry for Slavery, needed to prop up Global Military Dictatorship. Let's continue the fight of 1776 in 2012, and with enough luck and a sense of humor, future governments will be reduced to the right to grovel for voluntary funding on PBS.

    However, after Ron Paul is elected, God be willing, the battle against the pseudo-capitalists, ie. the military, pharmaceutical, central banks, and other industries subsidized by the mass expropriation of private earnings, ie. taxes, will have just begin. These, the true anti-capitalism, power mongers, who choke Washington with their lobbyists, will not give up easily or overnight. Like junkies, their addiction to using the government to launder money out of the pockets of private citizens and legitimate industries, will reveal them for the truly dangerous, wild, and primitive animals that they are. Cornered, there is no estimating to what lengths they will go to maintain the status quo. The worst threat is the seeding of global, potentially nuclear war, to justify “emergency measures” at the Federal level to engage in “self-defense”. Think I’m exagerating? Think back to John F. Kennedy, the last President that attempted to dismantle the Federal Reserve, a so-called “private banking” solution to anchoring and protecting the dollar with gold and silver reserves. The Fed, the military, and many other corrupt institutions are playing for keeps, as in keeping you enslaved through taxation, and if necessary, when we resisted an overly zealous rate of tax increases, watering down our wealth through the back door by arbitrarily printing trillions of unaccountable dollars to fund themselves. So I say, stand firm with President Paul, for a dark time will follow as evil will surely vent and exhaust its fury, before a truly peaceful, meritorious, capitalist system with real money can begin to rise and restore individual freedom.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:56 am | Reply
    • Brian

      Meanwhile by 2030, China creates a moon base, Russia encroaches on Eastern Europe and somewhere in the Middle East or Southeast Asia a new dictator arises. One with the power to sink American carriers with ballistic missiles and armed with nuclear weapons. The EU and the free peoples of the world cry to America for help. America has saved the world thrice over, and they reason that it will once again defend democracy and the free peoples of the world. China invades Taiwan, Egypt invades Israel, North Korea invades South Korea, Russia invades Eastern Europe and all at the same time.

      Unfortunately because of the constitutional amendment against deficit spending created by Ron Paul, Perry and other so-called constitutionalists, America cannot raise the necessary funds to go to war. Taxation is now illegal and what was once viewed as liberating people from dictators and ensuring global peace is called "imperialism." Instead, America is left paying Chinese creditors for 200 years because Paul was too stupid to realize that money is just a man made worthless construct that should be milked to its maximum opportunity instead of a real commodity. The reforms back to gold based currency prove a disaster since most of the gold in the world is controlled by African warlords and Russia. With the destruction of the Fed, America is no longer in control of its own currency but foreign nationals with huge oil and gold reserves which manipulate commodities to bring America to its knees. Hyper deflation sets in, with venture capitalists and angel investors content to sit on their money and watch it increase in value instead of risking their capital on business expansion. The economy of the most powerful nation in the world is stuck in permanent contraction, because "printing money" has since become illegal and nobody has enough capital to pay for anything. Any inventor or entrepreneur or businessman with a new idea cannot secure funding, because investors don't have to invest anymore to avoid inflation. They can watch their money grow in real value doing nothing, because of the reforms advanced by Ron Paul during his Presidency. America is stuck in permanent stagflation and deflation.

      If only the conservatives of the world hadn't been fooled by libertarian idiocy and had listened to their own champion, "deficits don't matter." If only liberals had realized that libertarianism has very little to do with being a liberal. Then the world would not not be shrouded in darkness. If only so-called "imperialism" and the Empire still existed.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Reply
      • Sjmfury

        Are you really implying the NOTION that LIBERTY is not WORTH FIGHTING FOR. You sir are not an American, you sir and a commie, you sir should die.


        August 19, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
  54. joan

    LOL...none of these canadidate has a clue on what to do about any polices. They are just shooting their mouths off. This is so sad. They have months to prepare before they put their hats in the ring. So why is it that they don't have a
    complete package ready and how they can do betther than Obama.? You know folks we are the laugh of the World. These GOP's did not help Obama to bring the courtry back for the brink. All they want is to take Power. I will advise you all to listen carefully and keep an open mind. Put the hate aside and you will see that these candidates has nothing better to offer. Obama is honest and he has used the top economics to come up with the best ideas to bring the country back. He made a fatal error in trying to get help from the REpublican int he house. He underestimate how serious they were when they said they want him to be a onetime president. Even to we the people peril they don't care.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:36 am | Reply
    • Joel

      I can't agree with you more, and then they are badmouthing Obama pointing at how the economy is worsening under him and everything. And it is in the mouths of many republican voters that I have heard several times over, that anything the president does will not be visible until 7 years later...with this philosophy, we are only seeing the first years of the GWBush presidency, so we have 5 more long gruelling years ahead. Yay GOP and Bush for making our lives hell!!!

      August 19, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • FamilyForce6

      Obama is honest? Many times during his campaign he said the first thing he would do is bring the troops home. LIE!
      He has expanded our war in Afghanistan, started a new war in Libya and failed to pull our troops from Iraq. The propaganda machine is in full swing to start another way in Iran. If anything Obama has done the exact OPPOSITE of what he said he would do regarding foreign policy. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
      Rep- Tarp1
      Dem- Tarp2
      Rep- Medicare part D (big pharma welfare)
      Dem- Obamacare
      Rep- Iraq/Afghanistan
      Dem- Libya/ Iran
      Ron Paul- Liberty-Peace

      August 20, 2011 at 1:10 pm | Reply
      • Jon

        They all make promises they can't keep, not just Obama. How about Michele Bachmann's claim for $2 gas? Just more stuff politicians can't deliver.

        August 22, 2011 at 4:08 am |
  55. Brian

    The real problem with Ron Paul is not that he hates foreign intervention or hates the Fed, but that he favors deflation. No libertarian I know acknowledges the danger of deflation to business and every libertarian I know is unaware that slow deflation is far more dangerous than slow inflation in the long run. Deflation destroys business.

    If currency was deflating, the way Paul wants it, I would be forced to fire employees year after year because A. the actual worth of money would go up every year so I could afford less workers for the same amount of money and B. I would have to lower prices year after year instead of raising them. Lower prices means less money for me and less money for expansion and economic growth. A recipe for economic disaster.

    How I handle inflation as a businessman is simple. I raise prices and raise salary and wages. How to handle deflation - I have to take an axe to my business model and cut prices and fire workers. But because I do not know exactly how much money is in the system (its impossible to know) I have to overcompensate and cut prices greater than deflation and fire more than necessary. Which means my business suffers. At least with inflation, I can raise prices a little more than necessary and that extra money can now go into business expansion.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:27 am | Reply
    • The Empire Strikes Back

      How would you deal with inflation at 100%, or at 1000%? Let's face it, a shake-out must take place. No doubt, if the war chest is cut in half, at least a million Americans will lose their jobs at Allied Signal, General Dynamics, and so on. Type in Wikipedia "List of United States defense contractors" to see just how many nipples the corporate nanny state has grown. Add to that all the soldiers that will be recalled from overseas and you can see just how massive a collapse the current system will experience as it begins to rewire itself to a reality without the drugs of taxation (slavery) funded lobbyism and the Fed printing money (counterfeiting). Bot more directly to your comments, please know that you don't have to pay people as much if the buying power of their money increases. If the average 50k job gets cut to 40k, but the average house drops from $300k to $150k, the average employee will figure it out. Just like inflation is not overnight, neither is deflation. Let's not argue that America Inc. adapts better to and benefits more from economic fantasy than economic reality.

      August 19, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Reply
      • Brian

        @Empire Strike Back:

        It would be pretty simple for me to deal with inflation at 100 or even 1000 percent. I would simply raise prices and wages to match. I could also blame the government for inflation and the price increase and nobody would blame my business. However there is no way to deal with deflation without destroying business expansion. If you owned a business you would know that good workers do not accept it if you lower their wages for any reason. They simply leave for greener pastures. You say I could simply pay workers less if money was worth more, but that is impossible since human psychology calls being paid less a punishment. And with hyper deflation i would have to pay them less and less every year or go out of business. If I rose prices, everyone would blame my business because they would reason money was worth more so I should never raise my price. Without price increases, my business has no extra money for expansion and eventually goes bankrupt.

        Remember, Ron Paul is not a businessman. And neither are you, if you think I can just pay productive workers less year after year and suffer no business consequences. Deflation kills business.

        August 19, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Joel

      How about a third option? There's inflation then there's deflation...How about tying off the balloon and keeping it aired the same amount that it is? Honestly, giving people raises is just creating money that doesn't exist – even by raising prices because the money coming from the consumers also requires them to get raises as well, and the snowball is off down the hill, crushing those people who have turned to contract work in the depression that the economy has been in for awhile, that is still being referred to as a recession. If prices levelled off and stayed the same then there would be no need for raises because cost of living isn't going up. There would be no reason to raise your prices because they don't cost anymore to make. Win – Win – Win, for you, the employees, and the consumers!! (but i don't expect ANYONE in corporate America to understand that, i actually expect it to make them argumentative...)

      August 19, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Reply
      • The Empire Strikes Back

        Well said. It's a message that just needs repeating over and over, similar to the process of raising children. They don't listen right away, and it it can't be forced, but the only way they will ever get the message is if it was sent.

        August 19, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
      • Brian

        It is impossible to know exactly how much M1 is in the system at any one time.

        For any theoretical libertarian system to work not only would it have to be possible not to tamper with money, it would have to be impossible to increase or decrease the value simply by destroying a dollar bill or finding more of the commodity the money was based off of. You would also have to have denominations going one thousand times smaller than one dollar and one thousand times greater than one dollar, to handle any variability in the worth of a dollar.

        Basically you would need an unhackable electronic currency in many more denominations, a much smarter electorate and citizen which woudln't grow angry if you slashed their salaries or wages, and a commodity which cannot be found easily. It can be done in theory. But then again communism can be done in theory. It certainly cannot be done the way libertarians want it with a gold backed currency, since gold mines are controlled by warlords and dictators. It would probably have to be based on a rare mineral from space, maybe the moon, so that no country could suddenly discover a deposit and devalue the currency.

        Finally you would have to overcome human psychology. If I cut a worker's wages year after year, his productivity will suffer. He will not care whether the dollar is worth more year after year, because it will happen too slowly for him to tell. People take pay cuts as punishment no matter how much you explain deflation to them. And cut I would have to do - by tens of cents for the minimum wage workers, and for the skilled workers thousands of dollars a year.

        August 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm |
    • The Empire Strikes Back

      Under the gold standard, $100 bought in 1703 the same food and commodities that $83 bought in 1803. That's deflation – 100 years of it – while America exploded in population and prosperity. Those are facts. If you would like to review them for yourself, dollar by dollar, year by year, right up to today, refer to these two sites: usgovernmentspending dot com and usgovernmentrevenue dot com. You will notice a pattern. The most significant eras of debt and inflation always followed after wars – every time. Gold was devalued, money was printed, debt was piled up. In the beginning, wars were decades apart, and the debts they incurred were actually repaid! But eventually war debts began to overlap, with debt never quite getting paid down, and devastating boom-bust cycles began to increase in size and duration. Even with all that economic abuse, nothing touched the combination of WW1 combined with the monetary policies of the newly formed Fed in 1913. “Government knows best how to manage your money” led to America’s worst economic melt down for 10 years from 1929 to 1939. Social Security added to the list of economically parasitic, debt accelerating government programs. Other than Hawaii, unlike Europe, America was spared a direct hit from WWII, so with no cities to rebuild, it was able to engage its resources in a short-term boom economy for a generation as it rebuilt the war-ravaged world from the 40’s to the 70’s. Debt piled up around the world and money poured into America as she helped rebuild and develop it. Today, the world is mostly self-sufficient, and America is a direct military target, unlike pre-WWII. More than ever true economic self-sufficiency is the key to survival. A true meritocracy of an inestimable variety of real material, skill, and process values will need to be re-established, or America will perish under the incompetence of centrally dictated economic order, unable to manage the millions and billions of economic components that an open economy interacts with. Americans love to work and can adapt to open economic relationships. When monstrous scales of economy are manipulated, such as the Federal Reserve issuing $14 trillion without accountability – as revealed by Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed efforts – and done so without open economy’s awareness, few businesses, let alone individual citizens can hardly adapt to such hidden, economic forces.

      A stable dollar and an accountable government will not make the rules of economic adaptation more unfair or more obscure. So, your deflation argument is false. It will not target you. Everyone will be equally affected by the same rules of economic reality, rather than some more than others by economic manipulation. You are a false capitalist. You sound like an anti-capitalist. True capitalists aren't afraid of working and adapting to prosper by ability, rather than resorting to or relying upon the "reality" of psychological manipulation. It is sad if employee and pricing manipulation are your primary tools of sustenance. No, I am not a businessman. You, you're anti-business.

      August 19, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Reply
      • Brian

        As usual, libertarians appeal to the time period of the 18th Century whenever you mention deflation. As usual, they don't see the double standard of hating inflation and loving deflation. Let me give you a hint - both are tampering with money. Since libertarians base their whole world view on the immorality of tampering with money, they should see deflation to be as great a danger as inflation. Otherwise, they are simply being hypocritical. You can't hate one form of money tampering and love the other the way you and Ron Paul do without being social engineers. What your form of social engineering would do is make it very, very difficult for someone with no starting capital to create a business, yet make it very easy for someone who already had money and was already wealthy to keep the value of their money simply by doing nothing. No longer would they have to invest to avoid inflation. This is social engineering, favoring one class of individual the investor over the wage earner by allow money to appreciate in value. It is not even, because those with massive amounts of wealth will gain far more than those with little wealth or with zero savings (wage earners who live paycheque to paycheque). For example, if I had one million dollars and there was deflation of one percent, I would gain far more real value than if I had one hundred dollars and there was deflation of one percent. Absolute wealth matters, because it allows you to crush your competition and create monopolistic conditions which is not a true representation of capitalism.

        You call me an anti-capitalist, yet you want to smash the military industrial complex, big pharma, and oil lobbyists. Do you know why capitalism works? Because it takes a normally counterproductive aspect of human psychology, greed, and works with it. Do you know why communism doesn't? Because everyone is out for theirs. I'm telling you right now from experience that nobody will take the pay cuts required of deflation, and you are dismissing it. I guess that is par the course for libertarians - you do not have an example of your ideology in action since no country on Earth is libertarian. So you are free to make as many theories as you want and be immune from criticism.

        August 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
      • Brian

        And in case you think I'm not answering your question, the innovation, expansion of technology and economies of the past fifty years dwarfs anything done in the past several thousand of human existence. So if you want to compare what created better living conditions, inflation clearly wins. But that's not really the point. The point is you profess to hate money tampering when you are really pro-deflation. Hypocritical to the extreme sir. You have probably not thought out the details of just how difficult it is to have a perfectly balanced currency (0 inflation and 0 deflation), nor have you weighed the pros and cons of each. Conservatives are realists and pragmatists. Libertarians are theorists and idealists.

        August 19, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
      • The Empire Strikes Back

        Remember, to print a trillion dollars today, the Fed needs merely to press the Enter key on its keyboard. To add a trillion dollars of gold to the world economy it needs to be mined. Work is involved. Often, this work entails multiple low yield efforts until a profitable mine is established. This is risk and work, as mines fail all the time. In fact, all of our politics and wars since the beginning of civilization revolve around work. If today I store a certain amount of my work in $1850 or in one ounce of gold, I can bet what the once once of gold will be worth in a year or in 20 years. It will be worth one ounce of gold. In 20 years, today's $1850 will probably buy me half of what it does today due to inflation, as arbitrarily printed money quietly "robs" my work out of my original $1850. Inflation therefore discourages saving – pehaps for retirement or mychidlren's schooling. Using paper money to safely store one's work is economic disaster, and hurts the middle class and poor the most who are most dependent on saving and preserving across time what little they can spare to save. On the other hand, the anti-capitalist, anti-commidity based banking sector can print itself all the "we saved the nation from bankruptcy with this latest bailout" bonuses to the tune of billions per trillions printed. They don't care if the money supply doubles in 20 years because they will double their salaries and takes bonuses to ensure they match the inflaction rate they generate. That is not capitalism. That is fraud.

        August 19, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
      • Brian

        Unfortunately, the world's commodity supplies are not in America but in unstable and dangerous nations controlled by warlords. You are so concerned about counterfeiting and stealing that you don't realize with any scheme someone somewhere has to print the money. You want to make it as difficult as possible when the real question is who do you want printing the money? I would rather a highly educated American banker than an African warlord controlling a gold mine. The same problem arises with any man made commodity currency. Commodity currency is stupid, because firstly not enough of any commodity exists for a modern economy, and secondly it is not liquid enough to move around. Do you understand why people use money in the first place? Because money is convenient compared to lugging around gold bricks. You want to make money worth something, make it so it is tied to mining and human labor. Well I'm telling you that money is worthless and its only value is in how it motivates human beings to work harder. You can't eat money, you can't do anything with money except spend it and money is not a natural resource. Attempting to make it so is self defeating.

        Inflation does not hurt workers. Workers spend and live with 2 to 3 months of savings. This is fact. Inflation would have to be massive to steal a significant amount of money from the working. Another fact is no matter how much inflation goes up, business will raise prices and wages to match. Inflation across the board would force the employer to raise wages and raise prices. Deflation only benefits those who already have massive wealth and can sit on it instead of the hardworking American who has a constant cash flow. Deflation encourages saving, which seems like a good idea in the short run, but money which is not moving and which is not spent is bad for the economy. Money which sits is useless – – it is transactions and spending which determine the health of an economy. Without consumer spending, GDP does not grow, businesses do not grow and the economy stagnates.

        Economic growth is money changing hands, money moving. Economic growth is spending. Something which libertarians don't accept. If you want to make social engineering or personal responsibility arguments about savings, you are no longer making an economic argument or a business argument but a value judgment. I care about spending and business. If you don't care about spending, then you don't care about business.

        August 20, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • Buddy

      Ron Paul does not advocate deflation. What he advocates is non-government, free market, money. Historically, if the market selects money, it is usually gold or silver, but who knows what today's technology may bring. Under the current system, the Fed creates money by fiat. Everytime the Fed creates more money, every dollar in your pocket or bank account loses value. In effect, this is taxation without representation for the benefit of the politically "connected." When average Americans realize what's happening, there will be rioting in the streets.

      August 20, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Reply
      • Brian

        Ron Paul can't wash his hands of the consequences of his beliefs. If you want commodity currency, you want deflation. They go hand in hand. There's a limited amount of commodities on the planet, so a commodity based currency deflates by default over the long term.

        Those hordes of rioting people you speak about would also quickly realize that in a pure free market currency, the government does not guarantee deposits. Say hello to the era of bank runs, savings which disappear at a hat and the average joe getting screwed. I don't know any idiot who saves pure cash instead of bonds or stocks or commodities.

        Basically it comes down to the purpose of money. If you see that money, an artificial representation of value which is supposed to be as liquid and as easy to move as possible to facilitate transactions, should have a value, then you will favor commodity currency. I don't. Money is meant to move. If you want to hedge against inflation, there is nothing stopping you from using your cash immediately after you earn it to buy gold.

        There is zero reason to go back to a gold backed currency. It is naive to think that the government couldn't manipulate a gold backed currency or overspend with gold. A commodity currency cannot stop overspending, cannot stop counterfeiting and cannot stop anything but libertarian's fears of "stealing" which if they stopped to think for a moment is really their fear of investing. They don't want to have a balanced stock portfolio because they're afraid of the stock market, and they don't want to invest because they don't want to take any risks.

        Nobody has the right to have property that never decreases in value ever. Either spend it or lose it. Time is money. Nothing stops an individual from investing his cash to avoid the problems of inflation. Deflation on the other hand rewards people for doing nothing with their money.

        August 20, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
  56. Rick McDaniel

    Gingrich is the only candidate who actually has some knowledge of foreign policy. Of curse, Obama was a total idiot when he was elected, and he remains a total idiot on foreign policy, now!

    August 19, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
    • sbast18

      Newt cannot win. He just can't and won't because his day in the sun has passed and because he has destroyed himself. His contract with America was a simple publicity stunt that meant nothing. His closest associates are self interested career politicians like himself. His latest stunt, having an affair because, in his words, his love of the country drove him to it, sealed his political fate. IF he gets on the ballot, I would bet $100.00 that he would never receive more than 10% of the vote. His overall effect would be little more than hurting any opportunity to roust Obama.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
    • bert

      Sure, riiight. Newt, who can't manage his own finances or a decent campaign CAN manage building foreign diplomacy and negotiations without becoming the bull in the china shop. I'm reeeal convinced of that.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:40 am | Reply
  57. Thaddeus

    Former Treasury official Bruce Bartlett who served at Treasury under former President George H.W. Bush and as a domestic policy adviser to the late President Ronald Regan labeled newly-minted Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry "an idiot" Friday. Despite serving in Republican administrations, Bartlett is no stranger to GOP criticism, particularly of former President George W. Bush.
    Bartlett's 2006 book "Imposter: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy" accused the administration of departing from conservative economic principles. More recently he attributed the economic recession to the former president and Republican Party.
    The GOP obstruct as much jobs legislatio­­n as possible in the senate while pointing fingers at the dems saying they arent doing enough about the jobs situation. It's called shameless obstructio­­nism, catering to bigotry, and a populace stupid enough to accept these things.
    Obama actually only had a "Filibuste­r Proof" majority for 14 weeks. None-the-l­ess, you would have to admit 14 weeks is not a lot of time for any persons of Congress to get much accomplish­ed
    That's why Obama couldn't get anything passed.
    Yes, Republican­s are downright terrifying­,,,
    I will donate to and vote for Obama again without question..­

    August 19, 2011 at 11:17 am | Reply
  58. sam

    The ignoring of Ron Paul has become so blatant it baffles me. The media thinks america is stupid, and people's support for the three "top tier" candidates leads me to believe that they're right. But I look at comments on this article and ones like it, and I see overwhelming support for Ron Paul, not Perry.

    August 19, 2011 at 11:13 am | Reply
    • Ron Paul Supporter

      YES, you are right!! It is so rejuvinating to see all of the support Ron Paul is finally getting! He deserves it, and hopefully we still have enough time to get the rest of the country to open their eyes, and see the truth.


      August 22, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  59. Chris B.

    I'm all for Ron Paul for president, but the one thing I don't agree with is that he wants all U.S. Troops out of South Korea immediately. As soon as the last U.S. plane left SK, I'm sure North Korea would attack. As much as I agree with Ron Paul on worrying about our country more than others, starting a war whether on purpose or not would not be the best idea.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • Cyrus

      North Korea is not foolish enough to attack the South, knowing fully well that if they do cross the border, U.S. fleet will return and aid the South Koreans. Besides, China would not endorse such activities by the North. China doesn't want any confrontation with the U.S. Not that I support Ron Paul or any of his ideas, I think your fear is unfounded.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:03 am | Reply
  60. jude

    business grows and grows and want to make more profit and more profit and do so with cheaper labor and product and abandon american labor force to make more profit and americans can no longer buy their stuff and there you go...greed and ignorance painting themselves into a corner. and the republicans grovel and worship this destructive self service process as being the american "dream" is a nightmare and we need to wake up

    August 19, 2011 at 10:28 am | Reply
  61. Alex M.

    A news station giving Ron Paul airtime? WHA-WHAT?!?!?!

    August 19, 2011 at 10:19 am | Reply
    • sbast18

      No kidding! What a shocker! Here's what I think: the US is always condemning nations that have unfair elections. Because our media have a stranglehold on the news we receive, they have the ability to unfairly influence elections – it's no different. They should be prosecuted and fined into the stone age.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:15 am | Reply
  62. Ron

    GOP = War

    August 19, 2011 at 10:00 am | Reply
    • Alex M.

      Not Ron Paul. Listen to his message.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:18 am | Reply
      • Ron

        True – Alex, Ron Paul is the only one against war.

        August 19, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • sbast18

      Most of the population doesn't support war. We actually prefer to not partake of it. At any rate, getting back to your very thoughtful and intelligent post, I guess Obama's totally hosed up stint in Libya doesn't count, huh.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:17 am | Reply
      • Ron

        Contrary to your wanting us to believe that Libya is the same as Bush's two wars – it is not. Libya is funded by NATO and the lead in the operation is taken on by other countries. Bush's two wars however are the sole financial responsibility of this country – and remain UNFUNDED to this day, sitting in our $14T deficit pool. One of which was started on a stack of lies. Neither of which accomplished a darn thing.

        August 19, 2011 at 11:48 am |
      • Ron

        And one more thing – It may not mean much to you but over 6,000 Americans lost their lives serving in both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. That was 6,000 too many. Zero have been lost in the Libyan NATO operation.

        August 19, 2011 at 11:50 am |
      • Sjmfury


        August 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
  63. Ray

    Correction* I strongly agree with stopping the abuse.

    August 19, 2011 at 9:26 am | Reply
  64. Thomas Jackson

    It is time that our troops come home, not only from Afghanistan but from every location throughout the world. This country is a republic not an empire. These wars have done nothing but make us a target. Ron Paul is the only candidate that has consistently been against war. He has recieved more contributions and support from active duty military troops than any other candidate and the president. The troops support the man that wants to bring them home so lets go with the troops on this one, its the least we could do for them. It would help our economy and debt to end these wars and slash our bloated corporate give away or "defense budget" as they call it. Of course CNN and all the other "mainstream media" outlets are going to ignore him, but will they ignore the troops? Will they ignore the American people? There was a time when the British rulers ignored the people of this country and what was it that happened to them? Oh yea thats right we kicked their ass and threw them out.

    August 19, 2011 at 9:11 am | Reply
  65. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    Foreign policy from a group of men who are following a jingoistic, isolationist, laissez-faire political leaning. Yeah, that oughta be "fair and balanced"!

    August 19, 2011 at 9:05 am | Reply
  66. Anthony

    I'm not sure the author has been watching the debates. There is one candidate who has been very clear about his foreign policy: Ron Paul. He has steadfastly maintained that he would end ALL foreign engagements, and not start any new wars. This makes him stand out from EVERY other Republican candidate. Seriously, it's not even fair to lump him in with Huntsman, et al.

    August 19, 2011 at 9:04 am | Reply
  67. Dave

    Ron Paul fellow Americans. All GOP candidates are bought, like the media who give little coverage to Ron Paul. Don't vote status quo, vote for America, vote Ron Paul

    August 19, 2011 at 8:47 am | Reply
  68. bb

    Foreign policy coming from any GOPers -– More fear mongering, icy relations, and war, war & more war. Have we EVER seen it any other way coming from Republicans? And Bush's two wars are STILL UNFUNDED, yet they would have us in another one...

    August 19, 2011 at 8:28 am | Reply
  69. truthman

    I wish Obama's DOMESTIC POLICY would take shape...I'm wwwwwaaaaiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 19, 2011 at 8:21 am | Reply
  70. Gadsen2

    Flwg letter written 5 years ago and so true. My God what are we doing to this country!

    Dear Senator Frist:

    There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens. Consider the following:

    1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, and government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

    2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

    3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

    4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

    5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

    6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

    7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

    8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

    9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

    10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

    11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There have already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

    David J. Stoddard, U.S. Border Patrol (RET), Arizona

    August 19, 2011 at 8:15 am | Reply
    • Robert

      I love that letter, and it makes perfect sense.

      I think we need to keep a more watchful eye on the people that send money out of our country to relatives abroad. My gf works in a grocery store in the customer service dept., and she sees farm hands come in with $500+ saved, and they wire it back to Mexico. They do this twice a month, normally.

      Now think about that, that's $12,000 A YEAR that leaves here, just by their hands.. imagine what it must be nationwide...

      August 19, 2011 at 8:39 am | Reply
    • Ray

      I do strongly agree with the abuse that some of these individuals do to our country. However, my parents themselves came to this country illegally fleeing a civil war. It's been 35 years since they have been in this country and yes, they achieved in becoming U.S. Citizens. They also plan on staying here, because this is now their home, even though they dont forget their roots. I am one of four children and i can gladly say that my parents never expected handouts from the government while they've been here. They paid for everything for us out of their pocket. And yes, all four of us siblings were born here in the U.S, because here is where they met. Now even though I completely agree with stopping the abuse, I can say that not all people that enter this country, even illegally, are here to mistreat and abuse this nation's benefits. And that's why there must have a reform, in order to avoid generalizations and misunderstandings. Unfortunately a handful of rotten apples spoiled it for the bunch.

      August 19, 2011 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • Michael

      Wow, what a long letter by a US Border Patrol person. You're right the United States is a place most immigrants want to go and it would not be possible unless some one actually hired them and paid them for their work. My uncles, who were very successful tobacco farmers, brought in immigrants every year for the harvest. Why? No locals wanted to do the back-breaking work. Then my uncles learned that these ignorant stupid immigrants would work for less than half the money they had offered the locals. They paid them in cash and when the harvest was done, the immigrants moved on but came back every year thereafter. Meanwhile, my uncles' bottom lines showed three times the profits than by hiring and putting up with all the local demands. Seriously, these stupid immigrants couldn't even speak english and they never complained. My uncles were recognized as rich tobacco farmers and respected in the community, were top reps in the Rotary Club, and even great supporters in the GOP for local reps who would promote their causes.

      So, today, the next generations of those immigrants are still here working the menial jobs the locals won't do. It's below their dignity to do what these stupid immigrants are willing to do for their families. So, I conclude by stating, where does it all begin, and if you want to end it, quit hiring them. Yes, your profit margins will fall but it is for the good of the country!

      Oh, now my cousins have added technology to the farm operations and do not need those stupid immigrants, and my cousins are joining the ranks of denying immigration to these illegal famililies their fathers originally brought here to make them very rich. Ah, if only they could move their operations offshore to take advantage of even more tax breaks, the cycle would be complete.

      So, in conclusion, I guess it's a good thing we have the great capitalistic society we have. Make as much money as possible, using whoever, whatever and wherever. That's the true American way. You betcha.

      August 19, 2011 at 9:56 am | Reply
    • Brian

      Unfortunately, this man does not understand business. He qualifies that "there are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage." Except that the minimum wage is a price floor. There are goods and services worth less than $7.50 an hour or the appropriate state rate. In fact most goods and services are worth less than the minimum wage. That is why so much manufacturing is outsourced to China, because these goods exist. Now by claiming that "a good wage" is a prerequisite, he is fundamentally misunderstanding the needs of business. If labor is not available under the minimum wage, then either the business will relocate outside of the country, or the business will go bankrupt.

      So yes, there are jobs that Americans can and won't do, because there are goods and services worth 1 dollar, 2 dollars or even fifty cents an hour. The very fact that business relocate offshore proves this. Either you must eliminate the minimum wage to allow Americans to work these jobs, or you must allow illegals to work their way to citizenship. But what is certain is you cannot have your cake and eat it too - this border patrol man qualifies with "a decent wage" as if no service and no good existed that wasn't worth a "decent wage." A fundamental misunderstanding of business.

      Goods and services exist that are worth far less than a "decent wage" and someone has to do them, or else they will relocate out of the country. This is the dirty fact of business and a reality.

      August 19, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • Brian Vandenberg

      That's really the letter you wrote to your senator? Subtle. Next time, try to keep it to a three point message, and then mention specific bills to vote for or against. Don't caps lock the word 'not'; it just screams ultra right-wing and it makes the entire message seem NOT credible, regardless of content. And seriously, try introducing yourself, and then say thank you when you're done–that's just a good life skill.

      There isn't an American who would work for a year like migrant farmers do for $100,000.

      And "gladly take jobs at a decent wage". That's a huge qualifier. So what's a decent wage for manual labor that is currently being done by aliens, $12 an hour? Well that's a significant increase in wage from what "they" receive. If they aren't critical to the economy, then certainly that increase in wage across the board for the same work would critically damage our economy even further.

      And Mexico will be our friend as long as we still like oil. We're their top trading partner. I think they'll still like us, and besides, it's more than Mexico, as you have said.

      Stop pointing out flaws and make real suggestions and conclusions.

      August 19, 2011 at 11:03 am | Reply
      • Brian Vandenberg

        Oh, and read up on history. We DID steal land from Mexico, called Tejas. I'm a Texan and even I know that.

        August 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
      • Brian Vandenberg

        Oh, and read up on history. We DID steal land from Mexico. It was called the Mexican-American War and the Texas Revolution. I'm a Texan and even I know that our land shouldn't be ours.

        August 19, 2011 at 9:31 pm |

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