June 22nd, 2011
08:44 AM ET

Arrest of Pakistani officer revives fears of extremism within military

By Tim Lister and Aliza Kassim, CNN

Brigadier General Ali Khan was close to retiring at the end of a distinguished career in the Pakistani Army when he was detained early in May - and accused of links with an outlawed Islamist group.

His arrest, which became public Tuesday, shocked fellow officers at army headquarters and again raises the specter that senior ranks of the Pakistani officer corps may be infiltrated by Islamist militants.

Brigadier Khan is the most senior officer to face such allegations since 1995, according to a CNN analysis of previous cases.

Army spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said Khan was believed linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation). He said efforts were underway to arrest members of the group who had been in contact with Khan.

"The military has zero tolerance for any such activity and strict disciplinary action will be taken against those involved," said Major General Abbas.

Pakistani officials say Brigadier General Khan, who is 59, had an administrative role at army headquarters in Rawalpindi. His work did not involve counterterrorism and he did not command any unit. But he would have seen plenty of sensitive information.

Khan comes from a military family stretching back three generations, and has a son in the armed forces. Pakistani media report that one of his brothers is a colonel with the intelligence service.

Reuters news agency quoted Khan's wife as dismissing the allegations as "rubbish," saying her husband was "an intellectual, an honest, patriotic and ideological person."

"It's a fashion here that whosoever offers prayers and practices religion is dubbed as Taliban and militant," Reuters quoted her as saying.

One of his brothers, Bashir Khan, told the Pakistani television network Aaj that the brigadier had been in the army for 25 years – serving with UN peacekeepers in Bosnia and spending time in the United States. In 2008, Khan received the highest honor available to soldiers of his rank.

Khan's detention comes amid heightened concern about religious extremism within Pakistan's armed forces.

Hizb ut-Tahrir says it is committed to non-violence but has urged soldiers to rebel against the military hierarchy and its goal it to establish a global Islamic Caliphate.

Pakistani sources tell CNN that in the aftermath of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, it produced pamphlets urging soldiers to turn against their commanders.

The group was outlawed by General Pervez Musharraf in 2004 but a Pakistani court subsequently overturned the ban. It is also active in the United Kingdom, Malaysia and Indonesia.

Simon Valentine, a British researcher who has studied extremism in the Pakistani armed forces, said that while Hizb ut-Tahrir doesn't advocate violence "a cardinal element of its ideology and modus operandi is to infilitrate the armed forces and, once gaining sufficient support, cause a military coup."

"Despite claims of zero tolerance of HuT within the Army," he said, "militant Islam, including the HuT, has much support from the grass roots to the highest level within all branches of the armed forces."

Valentine, who has researched Hizb ut-Tahrir in depth, said its views enjoy widespread support throughout Pakistani society.

"Such militancy as seen in the HuT is fuelled by an increasing anti-Americanism which is rife throughout Pakistan," he told CNN.

Hassan Abbas, a scholar at Columbia University who has written extensively about Pakistani military intelligence, the ISI, told CNN he suspected there was more to the case than any alleged contacts with Hizb ul-Tahrir.

"Association with such a group would not be enough to hold him for six weeks," especially as Khan was weeks away from retirement, he said.

Abbas, author of "Pakistan's Drift into Extremism: Allah, the Army and America's War on Terror," said there is an alarming trend that includes Pakistani pilots refusing to bomb militant strongholds, and units surrendering to militant groups rather than fire on them.

Last month, Pakistani Taliban insurgents stormed the Naval Air Station in Karachi, apparently armed with inside information on its layout and security. They destroyed two U.S. supplied surveillance aircraft.

Days before he was abducted and murdered, Pakistani journalist Syed Shahzad described that attack as "the violent beginning of an internal ideological struggle between Islamist elements in the Pakistani armed forces and their secular and liberal top brass."

He went on to quote unnamed sources in the ISI, Pakistan's military intelligence service, as saying: "It was shown several months ago that the Pakistan navy is vulnerable to Islamists when a marine commando unit official was arrested.....Now, they (intelligence) realize how the organization (navy) is riddled and vulnerable to the influence of militant organizations."

Last year two serving officers - including a colonel – and two former officers were indicted in a court martial for allegedly planning a terrorist attack on the Shamsi airbase.

Shamsi - in Balochistan province - is a remote base reportedly used by the United States drone program. The four were alleged to have been in contact with Hizb ut-Tahrir. They have pled not guilty.

And in 2004, several lower-ranking air force personnel were convicted in connection with assassination attempts against Pakistan's leader at the time, General Pervez Musharraf.

One of them, Abdul Islam Siddiqui, was hanged but maintained he was innocent of involvement. Other soldiers said they had been tortured into implicating him.

Valentine, who is a regular visitor to Pakistan, said Khan's arrest may be "part of an attempt to bolster the army's reputation amid accusations that it is pro-militant," in the wake of the raid by U.S. special forces that killed bin Laden.

But Hassan Abbas believes the military had no desire for the Khan case to become public. "The military is in deep crisis in the aftermath of Abbottabad," he says. "They would have preferred to hush this up."

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  1. Easter Treats

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    August 5, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Reply
  2. John Smith

    It appears to me that the biggest threat to the human race is population pollution (PP) and the biggest emitter of population pollution is non other than Bollywoodbaboonland India. At least China is civilised and attempts to control its population whereas the bollywoodbaboons are using PP as a strategic weapon. It's time the US and Western countries realised that they are in danger of being swamped by bollywoodbaboons armed with nuclear weapons and icbms. I guess the perfect solution to that would be a nuclear war between the bollywoodbaboons and the pakis. Rid the world of two evil.

    July 2, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • IndianAmerican

      China is a great civilization which invented paper money 1,000 years before anyone else but the one child policy of China is because of its single party system, not necessarily a role model for a Democracies. Do you believe in one child policy?

      The last Indian rocket mission to moon carried American instruments too, so much for the threat.

      Watching Bollywood any day beats flying planes into buildings or being a suicide bomber.

      July 4, 2011 at 8:07 am | Reply
  3. EddyL

    With corruption like this there are likely loose nukes for sale to Iran, paid for in advance, on standby all but hands on.

    July 1, 2011 at 12:47 pm | Reply
  4. Nuclearbomb69

    As a U.S. Soldier and paying attention to politics and other world events. I'm suprised not more countries are angry with Pakistan. The Government of Pakistan as well as their Military have proved they are corrupt, irresponsible, and have no motivation to rid their country of Islamic Terrorists. Bin Laden was paying some good money to someone in order for him to be in Pakistan for 5 years. I say we cut off all ties with Pakistan and ally ourselves with India. Been to India and love the people there. Last time I checked the Hindu religion did not have any beef with the U.S. either. It could be done. Pakistan would not stand a chance against U.S. and India together. But then you have China threatning everyone also. My point is we are wasting time and taxpayer money on this pathetic country (Pakistan) its time to start anew with someone else that we can actually trust.

    June 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Reply
    • IndianAmerican

      I support our troops, but a minor disagreement, it is not about religion, it is about co-operation among multi-cultural democracies to solve common problems.

      In a conflict with India, I obviously see Pakistan jumping in to help China, but China jumping in to help Pakistan.  Why? When it is easier to just write off bad investment decisions.

      Afghans do not want to be under the thumb of Pakistanis, they are being intimidated and held in check by a mafia called Taliban. Taliban showed up long AFTER the Afghan-Soviet war and with no battle experience overran mujs. How? Because the were led by ISI Officers (who are military Officer Corps on deputation to the ISI)

      Now read the Taliban attack on the intercontinental hotel in Kabul. So much for talks with the good Taliban. This menace has to fought to it's logical end.

      A happy 4th and God bless America.

      June 29, 2011 at 8:44 am | Reply
    • JOHN

      I couldn't agree with you more.. Pakistan is our enemy.

      June 29, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Reply
    • James Nahammaset

      "Brigadier General Ali Khan was close to retiring at the end of a distinguished career in the Pakistani Army when he was detained early in May – and accused of links with an outlawed Islamist group."

      That's IRL trolling – just when he's about to retire, he's arrested instead. Somebody bring the trollface.

      Nuclearbomb69: The US was eager to "support" Pakistan in previous eras when India was in the "non-aligned" movement and flirting with Communists. Now it seems like the US is flirting with India?

      July 1, 2011 at 3:35 am | Reply
      • IndianAmerican

        That depends on how you read what 'distinguished service' means for the Pakistani Brigadier. I read it as successfully getting the dollors or helping the Taliban in ambushing American Servicemen in Afghanistan.

        Regarding your second point, amazing fact, Pakistani Parliament passed a resolution condemning the Abbotabad raid which killed OBL.

        US has always tried to help Pakistan, but Pakistan has used US for access of weapons and use those to start wars with India.

        July 1, 2011 at 9:09 am |
      • James Nahammaset

        Before the breakup of the Soviet Union, IndianAmerican, the USA augmented Pakistan partly because it wanted an influence AGAINST India. Why?

        The US felt India was too cozy with the Communists – In some Indian states Communist parties were democratically elected.

        Now the situation is reversing itself in a way

        July 25, 2011 at 3:16 am |
  5. Nuclearbomb69

    Reason Pakistan will never win a war is because they have people with inside the military ranks to busy fighting each other for power. Crappy Discipline and no Teamwork equals a pathetic military.

    June 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Reply
  6. Rev Mkell,

    Well that's one way to get out of paying the retirement payments!

    June 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Reply
  7. C.Cantu

    The Devil tempted Jesus by offering Him the kingdoms, their wealth and all the pleasures of the world as long as Jesus worshiped him. Precisely that is what Islam offers to Muslim monarchs and leaders as long as they worship the Anti-Christ and do whatever it takes to keep Him above all things. Islamic monarchs owe their wealth, absolute power, their hundreds of concubines and pleasures to Satan, it is logical to maintain, glorify and expand Satan' rule over the world providing all the necessary means to his followers to execute their evil commands.

    June 26, 2011 at 11:06 am | Reply
    • James Nahammaset


      People of all religions get wealthy and arrogant, and there are poor kind-hearted, docile souls in all religions

      July 1, 2011 at 3:40 am | Reply
  8. sam

    Hindus and sikhs are not trusted they are the basta..rd s we cannot trust india and if they start a war we will defend and will destory all india with all of our nuclear bombs we will finish the indian race .

    June 25, 2011 at 1:51 am | Reply
    • djse

      I am sure you will use your radar detectors that worked so well on May 2nd. I am so scared...

      June 25, 2011 at 2:08 am | Reply
      • KS1974

        A quick reading would have told you that there is a technology out there that is called 'stealth' and it is supposed to keep your plane invisible from the radars. OK kiddo!

        Just wait until the tech is used against your 'advanced' INDIAN radars and see it work!

        OK douch*ebag!

        June 26, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
      • Jodie

        Okay I'm cnovciend. Let's put it to action.

        July 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Indian

      ha ha ha ha.. you mean just how you defeated indian in 65, 71 and in kargil... has your stupid country EVER won a war??? after 3 bloody wars all what happened is that your bloody porkistan army left with indiam cum in thier a**holes. come back and we will give u more.. u stupid porki.

      June 25, 2011 at 2:11 am | Reply
      • KS1974

        Pakistan was defeated in 65, 71 and Kargil????? Wow thats some news. Do some reading man! And get out of your hole!

        June 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • IndianAmerican

      Spoken like a true Pakistani. What will happen to Pakistan after that moment, considering well prepared it was to deal with last year's floods.

      No point asking what about 150 million Indians Muslims but I guess they are not Islamic enough, not to mention wind does not distinguish between borders nor the fact registers that India has a triad of Nuclear response.

      Pakistan = B.L.T. Blackmail, Lies, Threats.

      June 25, 2011 at 6:22 pm | Reply
    • Aristotle 120

      Ah, the religion of peace . . .

      June 28, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Reply
  9. Kerry Bedford, TX

    'Pakistani officer corps may be infiltrated by Islamist militants.' Ya think, daaaaaaaah! If Osama had no trouble hiding in plain sight I'm sure their military can do it with ease.

    June 24, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • KS1974

      Just like James Bulger was able to hide among people living in a comfortable residence for over 15 months. He was NOT hiding by the way. He was enjoying his life, going to near by beach and having fun, unlike Osama who was literally confined to one room. You understand that Kerry BUTTFART!

      By the way, the irony is James was tipped off by an FBI agent years ago and he dodged his arrest! How painful...

      Sounds familiar???? ISI agents vs FBI agents.. Hmm..

      June 24, 2011 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  10. hn

    Everybody can benefit from Pakistan becoming a normal place. US, India, China, Afghanistan but most importantly Pakistan itself. Some how this is being lost to denials and conspiracy theories to support the denial.
    Even Somalia is actually on track for a sensible government. They have appointed a highly educated person to be their leader.
    In a short time Somalia will start providing Pakistan advise and charity.

    June 24, 2011 at 11:31 am | Reply
  11. Peikovian

    Pakistan was created by Muslim separatists through the violent partition of India, even before the partition of Palestine. Why should anyone expect rationality from their regime?

    June 23, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Reply
    • KS1974

      Just for record.. violence occurred after the partition, not before! Get your facts straight.

      June 24, 2011 at 8:18 pm | Reply
    • KS1974

      And both muslims and hindus were fighting for freedom. It was Britishers who were ruling dic8khead!

      June 24, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  12. markjuliansmith

    Unless Mohammed's Islamic text informing new citizens of evil against Other-Otherphobia with exactly the same textual constructs as Hilters Mein Kampf are deleted or changed to inform new citizens that Other particularly women are not evil then NOTHING CHANGES.

    Get it through your heads Foundation Text=ethics=ideas=motivation=action for or against Other

    June 23, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  13. Indian

    Ha ha ha ha... Welcome to the Banana Republic of Porkistan 🙂

    June 23, 2011 at 7:42 am | Reply
    • KS1974

      Smells some 'beef'.. you cooking man..\\\ Oh I am sorry. You guys don't cook beef. One cow for every family,, to worship! Can't believe it is still happening but no disrespect!

      June 24, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Reply
      • RK

        It just like you'e waiting for the Santaclaus on a raindeer on the Christmas day... it is that simple 🙂

        June 24, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
      • Indian

        hey porki,
        If you are smelling beef from your computer there is certainly some problem with your nose or with your computer.

        June 24, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • KS1974

      Very funny!! We don't eat pork as everyone knows the meat is not healthy. Call me BEEF, porky whatever. Who gives a shi*t jerkas*s !!

      But why the heck you fuc8kers worship cows dude???? Can't you find something else?? Like sexy Kareena, or go ahead with Lady Gaga..

      Not COW ...uuuggggg..

      June 25, 2011 at 11:39 am | Reply
      • Indian

        hey porki,
        I am a christian you idiot and I do not worship cows but the hindus worship it and we do not make fun of them. that is why india is 10,000 times more better than you. we TOLERATE other religions. hindus, sikhs, muslims,sikh, parsees, budhists, jews and aethists live in perfect peace and harmony.
        we do not have military regimes who have secret alliance with terrorists and help them attack a military base nor do we have brain dead mullahs who declare wars on modernization and lastly porki, you do not even have movies and your majority watch indian movies.. even you said kareena.. lol... there are far more rouge elements inside your soil than enemies in india. sigh.
        have a nice day porki, bye

        June 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
      • loco

        Can I call you Yoda?

        June 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • KS1974

      Indian... too late man!!! You are what you are. Want me to send you stories how Christians are TREATED in hindufuc*kistan?? Got a list, let me know if you want to waste my and your time as you already know.

      Who gives a shi*t who you are. All INDIAN are fuc8ing as*sholes.

      June 26, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
      • IndianAmerican

        , including Indian Muslims (complete end of sentence).

        Now, since YOU are what you are, what are you true feelings for U S of A, the land of the free, which gives baksheesh to the Pakistan Army?

        June 26, 2011 at 9:47 pm |

    So U.S don't need pakis any more , what is the U.S next move , replacement of Saudi chums inside Pakistan instead of Pakis scums!!!!!!

    June 23, 2011 at 5:37 am | Reply
  15. boznon

    saudi pays for madrassahs that produce extremists in pakistan.but isnt saudia US ally?why not preail on it to stop funding madrassahs?paki ISI funds taliban but why doesnt US stop funding pk army so that funding to taliban dries up?poppy crops in afghanistan fund taliban through ISI, but afghanistan is US and Indian ally and US forces are present in that country so why not destroy poppy so funding to taliban starts drying up and invest a small percent of what u spend on war on terror to fund the poppy farmers towards shifting to alternative crops?in short if desire to end terrorism was there in true sense and uf that were the only agenda then the war on terror would have been fought very differently.not this dumb way where through drones you kill hardly any terrorists and might be producing many more new ones.also ISI would not be funding taliban to attack military installations and civilians in pakistan itself(just as we say that US cant be expected to attack own civilians in 9/11).so while ISI is funding some taliban, there is someone else funding anti-pakistan taliban/terrorists. it is these factors that raise suspicions that war on terror is not an entirely sincere war against terror but holds other agendas(somewhat like with WMDs in iraq).it cannot be irrational in any way to think that war is being escalated into pakistan either to defang nukes or/and restrict China from Gawadar port and limit related benefits to Iran .

    June 23, 2011 at 2:53 am | Reply


    June 23, 2011 at 2:50 am | Reply
    • ExaltedMan

      Before you can ask for DOLLAR, know how to spell it !!!

      If you misspell it, you would end up getting baseball bat in your A$$ !!! LMAO !!!

      June 23, 2011 at 5:03 am | Reply

        ExaltedMan we dont care how to spell Dollor and secondly we had already three thousands Baseball Bat in Yours A$$ on 9/11. HAHHAHAHAHAH

        June 23, 2011 at 6:07 am |
    • loco

      You sound like zawahiri in South Park; check the following episodes out:

      Cartoon Wars Part I and Cartoon Wars Part II

      June 27, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Reply
  17. Dr.BakroChod

    America, Pakistan is making fool out of you. Wake up.

    June 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm | Reply
    • jamie89

      Whatever dude, Pakistan is an ally.
      KSM was caught by Pakistan not India.

      June 23, 2011 at 12:38 am | Reply
      • IndianAmerican

        But he was a Pakistani, and I have more dollors for correctly guessing the name of his nephew.

        (Hint: 1993 attack on WTC)

        June 27, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  18. DrBakroChod

    Pakistan, you fooled America again. Now you are an trusted and time tested ally agaist war on teror. $ 5 Billion for you aid / reward /bribe / ransom

    June 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
  19. ludvig

    Officers going rogue are not unusual. General Thomas Sweeny who lost his arm in the Mexican War, was wounded in the Civil War, was arrested for leading an invasion of Canada after the Civil War ended.

    June 22, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  20. khan

    Total nonsense – just because you dont know about islam, does it make you happy to write negative stuff about Islam?

    June 22, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  21. khan

    hmmm, 95% people dont even know pakistan and yet writing nothing but crap against that country. what is the diference between you folks and those fundamentalists?

    June 22, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Reply
    • rob

      Are you giving foreigners an invitation to visit pakistan? ... Its pakistan who has isolated foreigners and forced everyone to judge them by the news that comes out of there.

      Do you remember Daniel Pearl? Nick Berg? .. we are good commenting from where we are, thank you.

      You all point fingers at America and call it the devil.. but you wont ever think about the hundereds of thousands of Americans that protested against American government when US went to war against Iraq.

      Damn hypocrites you all are. You dont care about anythign but yourself and want to use such statements as a civilian war propaganda, nothing else.

      June 23, 2011 at 1:44 am | Reply
      • KS1974

        Rob – Just for record Nick Berg was killed in Iraq, not in Pakistan and he was not there for news. He was a businessman. Not saying this makes whatever happened right.

        Daniel Pearl was killed by a few extremists who have killed thousands of Pakistanis in bombings, not Pakistan. Just like Tim Macveigh and whoever with him are responsible for Oklahoma bombing and not USA.

        June 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
    • hn

      "..to me, there is no diference between you and those extremists.." Khan

      You mean there is no difference between people reacting to what is in the new everyday (not propaganda, not lies, just news) and making their opinions and the people who blow up anybody and every body with the support of the Army and the the agencies? When you draw parallel, make it rational.

      June 24, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
      • KS1974

        hn – your comments are far from reality as well.

        Over 3 thousand of Pakistani troops are killed by these suicide bombers. And you think with Pak Army support??

        Follow your own rule and make rational...

        June 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
      • IndianAmerican


        Allow me to explain,

        1. You decide keep a dangerous bitbull in your neighborhood, you are responsible.

        2. The pitbull bites the neighbor, you are responsible.

        3. You lose the grip of the scruff of its neck and it bites you, you are responsible.

        4. If the pitbull doesn't understand why you cannot protect it from the the big bad eagle that periodically swoops and takes away its puppies, gets angry and it bites you again, you are responsible.

        June 27, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
  22. gpl2032

    Pakistan...Stinkistan...Crapistan...A Navy P-3 pilot once told me you can smell Pakistani filth from a high altitude...nothing but cut-troats and backstabbers if you ask me. Heck i wouldnt touch there best looking women with a ten foot pole for fear of disease. I say cut off all aid and relationships with those 3rd Century savages. Maybe we can also send Fareed Zackias there to write there constitution....

    June 22, 2011 at 8:34 pm | Reply
    • KS1974

      You sure about that...?? I guess I read the same comments from someone about hindufuc*istan.. Good copy paste stuff man..

      June 22, 2011 at 9:28 pm | Reply
      • Indian

        Welcome to the Banana Republic of Porkistan 🙂

        June 23, 2011 at 7:40 am |
  23. ukt87

    I wonder who is paying CNN to keep Pakistan in the headlines almost ever 6 days out of the week some article about Pakistan.

    June 22, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Reply
    • deei

      CNN is not Dawn news to write for money

      June 22, 2011 at 11:21 pm | Reply
      • benfein

        Shame on the various Indian nationalists pretending to be American and writing a bunch of Anti Pakistan comments.

        Don't say things for the sake of propagating lies and hatred.

        Pakistan has proof that they are an ally ... more than any other nation, they lost 30,000 civilians, 9000 troops.
        No other nation has lost that many troops or civilians in the war on terror.

        June 23, 2011 at 12:34 am |
      • rob


        Pakistan IS the damn root of terror!!! ... If they dont fight in pakistan with the help of pakistan ... where teh hell will hey fight??? If pakistan was losing its troops and civilians in Afghanistan or foreign land then your statement would make sense.. given the current situation it only looks like you're forcing glory upon pakistan to save some shame.

        June 23, 2011 at 1:48 am |
    • Jazlynn

      This makes everyhnitg so completely painless.

      September 8, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Reply
  24. Askme


    June 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm | Reply
  25. NorCalMojo

    In other news, CNN has discovered there are communists in the Chinese military.

    June 22, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  26. Wenton Chan

    Wait, what? How is this news? Gen Zia-ul Haq was a BIG TIME Islamist, and he ran the show from the late 80s. The Pakistan Army, ever since, has been a haven for Islamists...

    June 22, 2011 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  27. D.M.V


    June 22, 2011 at 3:19 pm | Reply
  28. djse

    HuT really? I am sure they are either alQaeda or LeT. These Pakis are masters of deception.

    June 22, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  29. PeaceofWar

    Of course, the military is infiltrated. The Pakistani military rank and file are tired of dying fighting for an American Cause. The Pakistani people blame us for their terrorist attacks and have become increasingly anti-american. They will never "love" us no matter how much money we throw at them.
    We got Bin Laden and his high level commanders, just like we got Saddam Hussein and his generals and advisers, just like we got Noriega. We never got Ho Chi Minh or any of his top commanders. We never got the leaders from China or Korea during the Korean War. The bottom line is that we have killed or detained all the people directly responsible for 9-11. This is Victory, not an endless ground campaign for territory we neither want nor can hold.
    Obama blew it. Just like Bush he should have declared "Mission Accomplished" and then said the troops are coming home. Wow that would have been great. Shout out WE WON.
    If other bad guys return, so what, let them go back to their tribal bloodletting. Let Afghanistan fight Pakistan and both of them fight Iran, it's no longer any of our business. Stop throwing away our troops lives trying for a delusional momentous victory.

    June 22, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Reply
    • glenn robert

      Pakistan is badly divided over religion and politics. We certainly are a serious part of the problem. Their intense dislike for us is the best reason for us to leave Afganistan NOW!

      June 22, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  30. AlmightyA

    All lies conjured up by infidels!

    June 22, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  31. George

    President Trump will destroy Pakistan in a nuclear holocaust the likes of which cannot be imagined even if you considered it for a thousand years, and he will send Vice President Palin over there to get all the oil and give free gasoline to all Americans.

    June 22, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • pstttt

      time to wake up....

      June 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • djse

      and Palin will poison Trump to become president.

      June 22, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
    • hn

      not to mention, Palin can watch India from her backyard.

      June 24, 2011 at 11:27 am | Reply
  32. jay

    Nothing they do or say in Pakistan is surprising, and unfortunately it appears the entire stucture of the nation is built on tacit acceptance and support of the militant element and AQ, with a nice blend of subversion and outright lying.

    As to the previous poster call people dumb A.S.S.es, well, if Ppakistan is the first and only Musilm country to have Nukes, then they bear even closer watching. Your statements seem to advocate that when the US uses nukes, we win, when we don't, we don't, however, what you fail to understand is that in a US which knowns restraint, having nukes and Pakistan having nukes, which apparently has no restrain, is two completely different things.

    June 22, 2011 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  33. Bill

    So what's new and why does it surprise any one? This is Pakistan.

    June 22, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • ExaltedMan

      CORRECT !!!

      June 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Reply
  34. Googolplex

    There must be a role that India and China and play to stabilize the mess the Brits left them with after the 1947 partition ?
    Even if China and India are adversaries, at least they can do something to moderate tensions using Pakistan as an intermediary venue ? Throw money in there to develop their economy ?...while at it, do the same with Tibet ?

    Both India and China stands to gain by engaging Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tibet....or would they rather stand by idly and watch the meltdown ?

    June 22, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Reply
  35. RAW

    This is no..new News. Pakistan is fast going down.. may god help them.

    June 22, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Reply
    • ExaltedMan

      Yep, they are right on their schedule !!!

      June 22, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
  36. sumbul

    this is a deplorable fact that there are extremist minds in Pak army......:(

    June 22, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Reply
  37. Amar

    Pakistani army has been supporting militants for the last 30 years, it continues to support the hakkani network of "GOOD" militants, and will continue to support. So why this drama now? Did some one in that army had contacts with the bad militants?

    June 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  38. Richie

    Nuts too!! According to the security clearance section of CNN. You can make this a family event reading the latest radical update every day.

    June 22, 2011 at 11:19 am | Reply
  39. rob

    This is all a stupid drama. This is Pakistan's response to criticisms about arresting people who helped C IA in nabbing Osama. This brigadier general will be freed and the dollars will keep flowing. The entire military and the ISI are terrorist organizations.

    June 22, 2011 at 11:14 am | Reply
    • KS1974

      What would have US done if China had some 'spies' in US that helped China in some operation? Shower them with flowers? No country knowing let any one do that, Plain and simple!

      June 22, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Reply
  40. Gonzo

    I would not say that all of the military is pro-militant, but surely the rank and file have been influenced by these grass root movements. The contry is basically anti-american. what do you expect the recruits to feel towards the U.S? Overall, unreliable ally.

    June 22, 2011 at 11:07 am | Reply
  41. Galoot

    The Pakis are backward primitive treacherous backstabbing pigs.

    Let us have NOTHING to do with them.

    No trade.

    No more free money for the Paki scum.

    June 22, 2011 at 10:45 am | Reply
    • Howard

      Yeah, and they've got nuclear weapons. That means simple solutions could end up complicating the situation more than helping it.

      June 22, 2011 at 10:54 am | Reply
    • D.M.V

      SHUT!! your dirty hole you ignorant idiot with God damn G.E.D IF YOU EVEN HAVE THAT i have been reading comments here with hate mostly coming from filthy indian's/etc i don't think most of you even understand geo politics , but yes indeed you are expert to pass you ignorance and hate through text ,and most of indian let me say it the right way most you dirty filthy smelly indian think pakistan is cake on table wake up you idiots if pakistan is going down pakistan army will make sure they will repeat the 1965 course and take you for long long ride with us and you /your people are well aware of that what paki are made off did you get the point dosh bag ,lets get back to subject and talk about my lovely america/american brother and sister yes many people hate us"american" in world but that don't mean whole muslim population hate us its just more then few bastards who hate us they can be from any country,most of paki people love america/american and love to come over and work hard and they are already doing it,so lets be honest and fare before we pass – judgement, love you all the human kind lover out there. and got lots of hate for hater MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

      June 22, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Reply
      • Bob

        Please see a doctor. You will soon be having a stroke.

        June 22, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
      • IndianAmerican

        I am American and you can discuss this with me. In the meantime please read.


        Some quote below
        On August 5, 1965 between 26,000 and 33,000 Pakistani soldiers crossed the Line of Control dressed as Kashmiri locals headed for various areas within Kashmir. Indian forces, tipped off by the local populace, crossed the cease fire line on August 15.[10]

        Neutral assessments

        There have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had a upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —

        According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[57] –
        The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

        TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[58] The article further elaborates, Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

        Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[59] –
        The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

        In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[60] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
        The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

        An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[61] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
        In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

        In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[62] –
        India won the war. It gained 1,840 square kilometers of Pakistani territory: 640 square kilometers in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 square kilometers of the Sailkot sector; 380 square kilometers far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 square kilometers on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 square kilometers of Indian territory: 490 square kilometers in the Chhamb sector and 50 square kilometers around Khem Karan.

        Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[63]
        Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

        BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[64]
        The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.

        "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[65] –
        India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.

        An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[66] –
        A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

        English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[67] –
        The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

        Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[68] –
        Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

        Newsweek magazine, however, praised the Pakistani military's ability to hold of the much larger Indian Army.[69]
        By just the end of the week, in fact, it was clear that the Pakistanis were more than holding their own.

        June 22, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
      • KS1974

        I am sorry Indiansh*it... What was your point again?

        June 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
      • IndianAmerican

        Read it again. And keep your mouth or I'll pour Lysol in it to clean it.

        June 22, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
      • A


        It mean u guys got Fu(k3d by Indian army very badly, and if USA won't interfare at that point u guys would be calling urself Indians(also look into the mirror and you will see where u came from!!!). wake up and see the reality.

        June 23, 2011 at 12:24 am |
      • Rita

        Here is sun of pork.

        June 23, 2011 at 9:31 am |
      • KS1974


        I'd say keep that lysol trick to your family. Do not spread these family tricks to strangers...

        Make sense??

        June 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
      • KS1974

        A=A*ss.. time to revise your text books stories. Grow up you fuc8King piece of sh*it..

        By the what caste you belong, sudras or down the ladder!

        June 23, 2011 at 9:16 pm |
      • IndianAmerican

        To understand the trick, you should have a family to begin with. As your uncouth language indicates you have no family or name or shame nor it is surprising that even after a re-read you cannot make an coherent argument. 

        Only curse words because that is all you know. You as a specimen of your religion and culture, which one do you possess and in what measure?

        Which part of American values of openness, liberal ideas and co-existence have filtered over to you or are capable of being transferred over to you?

        What do you know about hard work and not some ill gotten money from exploiting or money you got by pilfering from the aid, I give to you as baksheesh.

        What other tendencies you have other than those of a suicide bomber and making terroristic threats or that of Ajmal  Kasab or Mohd. Atta, OBL. These should win you a vacation in Gitmo.

        Since, I am an American it is my duty to inform fellow Americans including Pakistani Americans to point these out.

        It is a false hope to hope that Pakistan will not bite, if it is let alone. Also, it is an illusion that it was a friend or that it can be befriended or that made peace with. The average American public is wising up to this and that is the worry.

        Pakistan as it exists today is in which  only Pakistani Army and it's network matters (as other people who live there do not have a say).

        Pakistan relies on B.L.T. to get by. Blackmail, Lies and Threats.

        It is one such lie about the 1965 war victory that was floating in your head that got called and resulted in information overload. Pakistan must be the only country that celebrates the day it got a bloody nose from the misadventure it had started, with a military parade. Congratulations.

        You have nothing to show for except the 'bomb' and terror attacks. Pakistan  is a global orphan and your curses are a reflection of you.

        June 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
      • KS1974

        I am sorry Indiansh*it... What was your point again? lysol, family, you got no family, no ethics, lost again!

        Can you make it brief??

        June 24, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
      • IndianAmerican

        Read it again and this time slowly.

        June 24, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
      • KS1974

        That's like a 'normal' man who writes something down himself.. not google it and copy tricks. You are the winner Indiansh*it..

        You got me!

        BTW, No time to read 'Indian' text book shi*t. Keep it for your half a billion kids who won't trust it either in this internet age!!

        Sorry man. That's how the world is!

        June 25, 2011 at 11:43 am |
      • IndianAmerican


        At least I have a point.

        Read below, and read slow, and (just in case) read again. I am responding to all your comments on this board not just to me, just so that you are clear. Numbering them so that hopefully attention deficit does not kick in.

        1. I am an American but your brain cannot make that distinction. I am reasonably sure, that if anyone called you a Paki, he would be called a racist but that does not stop you from calling others names on this blog.

        2. Seeking truth seems to be a too traumatic painful exercise for you and you have opinion based on a set of beliefs that are NOT open enquiry or facts or criticism which you cannot even state, let alone articulate.

        3. You haven't answered how your mouth is compatible with your religion and culture (or is it a symptom of it?)

        4. 'neutral assessments' seems like 'Indian textbooks' to you !? Seems like 'Pakistan Studies' to me.

        5. Anyways, the copy paste of the 1965 war is from which Indian textbook? I included the link to it for people like you. Take this as a learning exercise. For example, pasting from this very blog

        Begin quote
        The United States can no longer depend on Pakistan cooperating in its border region and moving against militants on its territory. More importantly, the United States

        must come to terms with the very real possibility that Pakistan may become a failed state in the medium term. A failed or failing state with nuclear weapons and

        multiple anti-American terrorist groups operating freely is a U.S. national security nightmare and must be prevented at all costs.

        ...we need a base to strike targets in Pakistan, and the geography is simple: You need to do that from Afghanistan...
        End quote

        5. Pakistan WAS created by 'Muslim separatists' who wanted a 'separate' country called Pakistan, why have a problem with that statement?

        6. Read 'neutral assessments' of Direct Action Day to learn about violence unleashed by Muslim League in 1946.

        7. I eat beef, but to explain that question, you need to understand something about being vegeterian, which might be out of scope of your brain. So be thankful that I am not explaining it here.

        8. Extremists killed Daniel Pearl is mildly putting it. He was beheaded, decapitated per some rules you would know better. He was killed by the Omar 'Saeed' Sheikh, who was one of the three terrorists released in exchange of a few hundred hostages of IA 814 hijacking in 1999. Omar 'Saeed' Sheikh was this guy who wire transferred $100,000 to Mohd Atta. Omar 'Saeed' Sheikh's handler was the ISI Chief Mahmud Ahmed. All this trail leads back to the glorious state of Pakistan.

        9. About getting vaporized, how is that not a terroristic threat?

        June 25, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
      • IndianAmerican

        Dear KS1974

        I did see a possible of mis-read, 9. above, of your on my part. Yours was a response to Sir TotalNonsense which can be open to interpretation at least for today.

        But I hope you will understand my concerns after Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square bomber.

        So I will take that one comment back.

        June 27, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • D.M.V


      June 22, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Reply
    • NorCalMojo

      I'm no fan of Pakistan, but this is just ugly.

      June 22, 2011 at 6:18 pm | Reply
  42. LOL

    Pakistani fanatics wanting a global caliphate. That would require cooperation from fanatics in other countries. Stupid Pakistan, most other countries, even the fanatics view Pakistan as lower than dog poop. Pakistanis, if there was even a snowball's chance in hell of a global caliphate, you'll still be the janitors and slaves since even other muslims look down upon you.

    June 22, 2011 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • Howard

      Somehow, the idea that the ONLY Islamic nation in possession of nuclear weapons is regarded by other Islamic nations "as lower than dog poop" just isn't very credible. Do you have any other nonsensical opinions to offer?

      June 22, 2011 at 10:46 am | Reply
      • Jerry Vinter

        No. I think he is right. I was in Dubai once and my hosts' attitude towards their Pakistani and Indian (who were Muslim Indians) drivers and servants was shockingly patronizing. Arabs (no idea about Indonesians, Chechens and the like) look down on Pakistanis.

        June 22, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
      • Qabb

        I visited with many UAE Emirates and they didn't have any issues with Pakistani Nationals nor any negative opinion. After all the Pakistanis played a major role in building the entire infrastructure of their country via labor and professionals. Perhaps Jerry only communicates with racist bigots like himself? No great achievement on your part, those can be found in any country.

        June 22, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • khan

      hmm, 95 % people on this forum dont have any clue about pakistan and yet they are writing crap. to me, there is no diference between you and those extremists. grow up. dont insult 180 million people.

      June 22, 2011 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  43. RM

    Seems like the american foreign policy is creating more militancy. Our tax dollars at work to make us safe?

    June 22, 2011 at 10:09 am | Reply
    • Pakcop

      When USA nuked Japan, they proved the Nuclear power is important. When USA Attacked countries with NO NUKES it proved again, Nuclear power is important. So all you MoreONS think 9/11, 7/11, Madrid bombing, Iraq war, afghan war is all REAL, here is a FACT for you you all Dumb A.S.S ppl. Pakistan is the first and the ONLY country with Nukes.... Connect the dots and you will find OSAMA, OBAMA is all DRAMA to reach Pakistan.

      June 22, 2011 at 10:12 am | Reply
      • Seraphim0

        Heh. Thanks, Pakcop. Needed a good laugh this morning.

        June 22, 2011 at 10:44 am |
      • dsp

        hahhahah yea all this stuff happens just to get to pak ... cos it was such thriving economy and every country was scared off pak ... jeeeeees thats what happens when moolas fock pigs and retards like you are born

        June 22, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
      • Bob

        I connected the dots and came up with a Pakcop. I have no idea what one is.

        June 22, 2011 at 3:36 pm |
      • NorCalMojo

        it's like a different planet.

        June 22, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
      • A

        HAHAHAHA @PAKCOP u r really hillarious. thats what happens when u attend those madrasas!! keep it up with your stupidity...

        June 23, 2011 at 12:30 am |
      • hn

        The problem with what you say Pakcop is that you and your countrymen have no credibility. You have not given the world anything other than terror. You have not taken care of your people, America does. They pay for your regular schools. Saudi pays for your madrassas and you guys pay your army to support Taliban. Your real enemy is your army not US or India or Israel.
        US saved you from Russia. Now they are trying to save you from Alqueda but you guys have no clue what your need is so you are in bed with Taliban.

        June 23, 2011 at 2:07 am |
  44. PJ

    Only a matter of time before the ISI passes nukes directly to A-Q. Best be checkin' those boats, boys...

    June 22, 2011 at 9:58 am | Reply
    • Pakcop

      When USA nuked Japan, they proved the Nuclear power is important. When USA Attacked countries with NO NUKES it proved again, Nuclear power is important. So all you MoreONS think 9/11, 7/11, Madrid bombing, Iraq war, afghan war is all REAL, here is a FACT for you you all Dumb A.S.S ppl. Pakistan is the first and the ONLY MUSLIM country with Nukes.... Connect the dots and you will find OSAMA, OBAMA is all DRAMA to reach Pakistan.

      June 22, 2011 at 10:14 am | Reply
      • Bob

        Ah, I get it. A Pakcop is a broken record.

        June 22, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
      • Total nonsense

        If Pakistan has nukes... then is must be complety destroyed at ONCE... you cannot have a Islam country got any kind of firepower..... Islam is the enemy of this planet and it must des VAPORIZE....

        June 22, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
      • KS1974

        TN.. You'll get vaporized. Just wait and see..

        June 22, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
      • boznon

        @totalnonsense. you named yourself well.all you say IS total nonsense.

        June 23, 2011 at 2:30 am |

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