March 3rd, 2014
08:01 PM ET

West may ultimately have to accept Crimea as part of Russia

By Jim Sciutto
The names involved in the escalating crisis in Ukraine - Crimea, Sevastopol, Simferopol - make it sound far away and far removed from America's allies and its interests. But the tensions there in fact hit very close to home for the United States.
     
First, Ukraine is not a distant empire but an integral part of Europe. Its capital, Kiev, is just a short flight from cities Americans visit all the time: Rome, Frankfurt, Paris.
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  1. 家庭自種

    Yes! Finally someone writes about 魚菜共生.

    July 11, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  2. soulcatcher

    I'm trying to look at this from all perpectives. I feel that the Russian perpective on Crimea is bit akin to US and Panama Canal, but even deeper still because of it's Russian makeup. On the Ukranian perspective their ousted leader was corrupt and making bad decisions not in the best interest of their country. Why don't they impeach him? I really haven't seen an indepth and balanced article on his actions. I understand debt was the issue. Foreign debt with any country is no pancea. See Greece and Mexico Cinco de Mayo. Perhaps the best thing the Ukrainians can do is negotiate a sale of Crimea or long term lease or somethign Joitn? On the other hand, what if the Ukrainians go nuclear again? As westerner the Ukranian(or Russian) nationalism scares me, as one of Polish descent whose family history in Poland was wiped out in world war 2.

    March 11, 2014 at 9:33 am | Reply
    • BP

      I would like to remind my Russian friends, who posted more 90% of the content for this article, that one should not throw stones when one resides in the glass house. Your argument for keeping Chechnya in 1994 was territorial integrity of Russia, therefore, you cannot have it both ways and invade Crimea. Yes, I'm talking about double standards in Russian foreign policy.

      March 12, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Reply
  3. Xu Xui

    Let the 1% send their sons and daughters.

    March 10, 2014 at 7:28 pm | Reply
    • Xu Xui

      Sowwy! I are a tiresome ho, you know! HEHEHEHEHE! I shut up now, Ok? Ok.

      March 11, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  4. Xu Xui

    Perhaps if the West had considered the implications of surrounding Russia, we would not be

    in this position today. The West must learn to accept the results of elections rather than trying to

    change the results. Russia will never allow a repeat of WW II in their country, tread lightly or the

    the nuclear holocaust will become a reality.

    March 10, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Reply
  5. Jfghfhk

    Where you to this day can step on a land mine like 5 people a day do everyday anyplace in Cambodia to this day.

    March 10, 2014 at 7:35 am | Reply
  6. Jfghfhk

    Crimea-river Putin the land mine planting Getto Hitler has the recruited White Supreamists on the march attacking protesters and blowing up Dog/pets with the land mines. Too bad land mines once planted kill and mame 1:1 without fail until every land mine planted has done its job as its planter intended...its a regular old holiday in Cambodia.

    March 10, 2014 at 7:30 am | Reply
  7. someyoungguy

    words from a wise man. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!

    March 7, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Reply
    • George patton

      Well said, someyoungguy. Unfortunately, the right-wing thugs in Washington aren't buying into it! These people know only greed and cruelty!!!

      March 9, 2014 at 11:24 am | Reply
  8. Hfhkfghk Dfghkh

    Crimea-a-river-Putin Is a Ghetto...Hitler knew all about Ghettos.

    March 6, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  9. Hfhkfghk Dfghkh

    .

    March 6, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Reply
  10. Grafted Oilive Branch

    Crimea is Russian. No doubt about it.

    March 6, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  11. Hfhkfghk Dfghkh

    RU should shut off all gas everyplace.

    March 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm | Reply
  12. Hfhkfghk Dfghkh

    Why should RU have anything if no one else is allowed to have anything.

    March 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Reply
  13. Peace

    Piper plays....'Shake ,Rattle and Roll..by Big Joe Turner." Pentagon sending fighter jets to boost NATO presence amid Ukraine crisis. F-15's and KC-135 to augment the mission per Fox News ! Ed Henry at White House.....diplomatic exit ramps is what he's hearing and trying to calm the situation down and Putin's economy fragile. What's up with this oil deal Russia is alleged to have with China for trillions of dollars and they report Putin's economy is fragile ?

    March 5, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Reply
  14. Random

    What a eureka moment, so we have to accept the will of people over what we want.... DUH~

    So when an entire country riots, waving russian flags, openly desiring to be part of russia who the hell are we to stop them? Meanwhile terrorists make gains and we dont respond.

    Try keeping your noses out of other peoples business , and worrying about our problems instead of constantly trying to police the world when you cant even do right by your own.

    March 5, 2014 at 2:56 pm | Reply
    • 78gdetotak

      bingo

      March 12, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Reply
  15. stan

    states are not expanding medicaid so the people below the poverty line do not get Obamacare subsidies even with zero income. that is wrong but not being addressed because those states are republican. We are cutting food stamp amounts, will not extend unemployment and now we can come up with 15 Billion dollars for Ukraine for what we never get any return Russia will do what they want anyway and we will just continue to hand out more money that should be spent at home.

    March 5, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Reply
  16. DP

    so who was killing people in Kiev ? it turns out – pro-Western opposition paid by US ... yet another intercept by Russian intel services :

    On the Telephone Conversation between Foreign Minister Paet and EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton
    05.03.2014

    The recording of a telephone conversation between Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and High Representative Catherine Ashton that has been leaked online is authentic.

    The conversation between Paet and Ashton took place on 26 February after the Estonian Foreign Minister’s return from his visit to Ukraine. His visit took place last week, soon after the end of street violence in Kiev.

    Foreign Minister Paet was giving an overview of what he had heard the previous day in Kiev and expressed concern over the situation on the ground. We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence.

    `It is extremely regrettable that phone calls are being intercepted,’ said Paet. ’The fact that this phone call has been leaked is not a coincidence,’ added Paet.

    Dear journalists!

    Today, at 5 pm Foreign Minister Urmas Paet is answering journalist´s questions in the Foreign Ministry.

    Please enter through the guest entrance, Lauteri 2.

    SPOKESPERSON´S OFFICE
    637 7654
    533 66 159
    press@mfa.ee

    March 5, 2014 at 12:57 pm | Reply
  17. John Smith

    America is the root of all terror. America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2.
    In 1953 America overthrow Iran's democratic government Mohammad Mosaddegh and installed a brutal dictator Shah. America helped Shah of Iran to establish secret police and killed thousands of Iranian people.
    During Iran-Iraq war evil America supported Suddam Hossain and killed millions of Iranian people. In 1989, America, is the only country ever, shot down Iran's civilian air plane, killing 290 people.
    In 2003,America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and 4,000,000+ Iraqi people were displaced.
    Now America is a failed state with huge debt. Its debt will be 22 trillion by 2015.

    March 4, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • George patton

      shut up you terrorist. Pack your bags and go to the country you love.

      March 9, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • guardian484

      putin can go suck a big one!!!!!

      March 13, 2014 at 12:03 am | Reply
    • Also John Smith

      I see you've forgotten about the Korean Airliner that Russia shot down. Big difference is The US shot down an aircraft that did not identify itself and was on a similiar flight vector to the one that was used by an Iranian Fighter that launched two Excocets at the USS Stark not long before. The Russians used a fiighter to fully capable of making a positive ID on the 757 they shot down. Nice try at the revisionist history though.

      March 13, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Reply
  18. George patton

    Since 79% of the Crimean people are ethnically Russian anyway, it would be a great idea just to have that country join Russia. Unfortunately, the right-wing thugs in Washington don't want to see it that way since they need an excuse to worm their way in on this although they have no business doing so!!!

    March 4, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • George patton

      here we go again, terrorist huger Phunnie boy is trying to make me look as dumb as he is. I did not make above post guys.

      March 9, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Reply
  19. Joe Stone

    The king is naked, but not everyone can see this. Firstly, someone is paid to tell that is all right, although the king is naked. Secondly, someone is not able to see this by him self and believes to all what others say. (As long as others help with a bread and a free booze). Thirdly, not everyone cares about it as long as their own house and family is safe.

    Based on a recent human history, a guy named Adolf Hitler was smart enough to use all above mentioned (some call it a geopolitics), for the kicking the ball in direction where he wants, how he wants. It is so easy to say that the black is white and opposite. The same is happening now in Russia with Ukraine, just we have another hero. This time he is called Putin.

    Remember, that when Hitler "peace corps" were "liberating" Austria and Poland, they where just protecting local, poor germans. So it is now with Ukraine, so was with Georgia. Which country will be next?

    March 4, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • George patton

      Here goes another Tea Partying idiot above ranting against Vladimir Putin. Evidently, this bozo never got past the 5th grade!!!

      March 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • A

        And here comes a liberal who never past the first grade. Putin is an overrated sack of cellulose

        March 4, 2014 at 11:44 pm |
      • George patton

        I did not post above comment. Phunnie boy did.

        March 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm |
  20. Marty

    Ya got that right!! " Barack, John go sit in the corner and take a time out until I tell you it's OK".

    March 4, 2014 at 10:58 am | Reply
  21. saeed

    Russia should invade Ukraine just as USA invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya USA is not helping Ukraine USA is doing this because of direct and indirect benefits. As for the harsh economic sanctions USA is talking about they will not hurt Russia because Russia is a capitalist country it will produce or import the things it needs from other country’s so Russia should and invade entire Ukraine and if USA try s anything then nuke USA and Britain.

    March 4, 2014 at 9:33 am | Reply
    • Kraznodar

      Please quit feeding the crazy Muslim nut job stereotype.

      March 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Reply
    • A

      You do know that US and Brittan have more nukes then Russia will ever dream of right? Not to mention ballistic submarines and tactical bombers on a ratio of 10:1. Russia has a budget of 90.1 billion while the USA has 600 billion for its armed forces. USA has over 30 bases all over the world while Russia has only maybe 4. Which means USA and Nato forces can mobilize a lot more quicker than the Russians and can easily surround them. Russia's navy is a joke and don't let me talk about their air force. The only formidable part of their armed forces is their air defence.

      March 4, 2014 at 11:50 pm | Reply
  22. Hhfgfd Bkhfdgf

    Putin the Power-tool:
    central bank of RU just hiked RU key lending rate up 1.5 percent from 5.5 per cent bexause local stocks plunged sending the trouble spelt "rouble" to a record low.

    March 4, 2014 at 12:54 am | Reply
  23. Shawn Davis

    This isn't about Russia to me as much as it's about the US and the extent of American influence left in the world. Apparently, no one cares what we say anymore. It's not Obama though - too simple to say that, it's been a long time coming. The Europeans, except Britain and some Eastern nations, are falling back into their predictable patterns of appeasement and denial; not good. When Russia really gets emboldened after this, I hope we stay out of it.

    March 4, 2014 at 12:06 am | Reply
  24. Jdfhj Fdghk

    Do Oligarchs collect skulls or just pictures of skulls...they probably pass the skulls down generation to generation complete with map.

    March 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm | Reply
  25. Jdfhj Fdghk

    This could be an Ali-G short.

    March 3, 2014 at 10:50 pm | Reply
  26. Jdfhj Fdghk

    So... Russian forces are going to start killing themselfs where they stand. Putin is a cheap money grabbing Power tool doing Satans work. Any bets on how many White people Putin will kill to stay the Worlds richest oligarch.

    March 3, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Reply
    • Kraznodar

      As long as you are one of them who cares?

      March 4, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  27. Donald George MacDonald

    And the Machiavellian leaders of nations, movements and religions are still, somehow permitted by a majority of their followers to issue ultimate threats of wars even when each new battle has taken an increasing toll. Many millions of our world citizens have already bravely sacrificed their health and lives for and because of the causes and conflicts created and continued by the leaders. Yet still, leaders are somehow permitted to coerce or order our finest youths to defend more of their chosen causes and to attack more of their chosen foes.

    March 3, 2014 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  28. Donald George MacDonald

    Past and continuing world militarism provides the fear and self-justification that malleable masses need in order for them to further endorse their Machiavellian leaders' expanding and modernizing military might.

    And the expanding and escalating cycle of continuing world militarism thus feeds itself and prospers, like a self-perpetuating social and moral virus allowed to further drain our global health and wealth.

    The majority of our world citizens, led by leaders of nations, movements and religions and the media, continue to forget that this social and moral virus is reversible, is curable and is not yet terminal.

    March 3, 2014 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  29. peteybee

    Russia is acting in accordance with the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive action against the possibility of having its hegemony challeneged. The Bush Doctrine has been around for 10 full years now, and has not faced any challenge whatsoever in international law, and has therefore become accepted precedent. Thus Russia is acting within its rights, and there is nothing the US can do about it except for also invoking the Bush Doctrine and pre-emptively attacking Russia.

    In other words, they're a bunch of hypocrites, and should stop pretending like they give a crap about international law or moral considerations. Those things are gone with the 20th century. Or was it the 19th century? Not sure.

    March 3, 2014 at 8:40 pm | Reply
    • Alex279

      This has nothing to do with Bush doctrine. Do the math:

      1. There were no troops jumping from Russia to Crimea: no transport planes have landed, no operation of ferrying troops across Kerch strait - Russia has this capability, but it is impossible to do in such scale without being noticed from satelites. I am sure that US military is watching closely right now.

      2. Therefore the troops were already there in Crimean peninsula.

      3. Russian Black Seal freet? In consists of 1 (one) Slava-class missile cruiser called Moskva and 1 (one) large antisubmarine ship (by Russian classification) of Kresta-class called Kerch (in fact, this ship in 40 years old, but kept in reasonably good shape. This is the last surviving kresta-class ship; all others were decommissioned already) + there are 2 smaller Krivyak-class ships (obsolete by modern standards) and several supply ships as well as three transports which can do landing operations. The combined crews of all these ships does not exceed 2000 men. In addition to that there are obviously some men to guard the base and some support personnel. This is it.

      4. The scale of the operation requires securing every airfield, every government building, installing block posts on every road entering/exiting any city within the peninsula. The total population is 2 million people, including 7 major cities: Sevastopol, Simferopol, Yalta, Kerch, Aushta, Feodossia, Evpatoria - everything is taken upder control. We are talking tens of thousand of soldiers.

      5. So there are simply not enough military personnel in Russian Baltic fleet, even if you mobilize every secretary, typewriter, and accountant.

      6. So where do they come from?

      Guess what: they are local. Just recrouted from local population. Basically the very same Ukrainian Army made of 18-19 year-old conscripts who are from locals just serving there not far from home. Of the 2 million poputation 1 million are males, and of these 1 million 30 thousands are males of 18-19 yeras old, perhaps half of whom were in the army as consrcipts (others had excuses to didge draft) + local police + Berkut + Berkut from other parts of Ukraine who were kicked out of job + Cossaks + "Afghans" - then the numbers add up.

      March 3, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Reply
      • Kraznodar

        Even if they are Russian troops, they had to be there already. Russia has troops in a lot of countries. Most of them are there by invite. Personally, I think that any group that wants to be part of a different country should be allowed to. Russia can have Crimea, Tibet goes its own way and Texas gets kicked out of the USA. Quebec gets to be a separate nation. Then no one has grounds for all of this silly fuss.

        March 4, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
      • Alex279

        Generally borders of sovereign countries should be respected. However so do rights of people, including the right to speak their own language, the right to not participate in wars and squabbles which are not theirs, and to which they are not party, and have no interests.

        NATIONAL BORDERS MUST BE FAIR TO BE STABLE.

        Ukraine had 22 years to mature as an independent state. It failed to do that. It failed to recognize all its citizens and equal citizens. It still tries to divide it into Ukrainians and others whom they consider foreigners or newcomers, even thought they lived there for centuries. This failure applies to all levels, from thugs weaing Nazi insignia on the streets of Kiev all the way to Ukraine Ambassador who claimed yesterday that war climes 14 Waffen SS Grenadier division Galitchina were falsification of Soviet Union. Enough is enough.

        In contrast, Crimea showed that it successfully graduated the emerging country school and it is now behaving like a self-sustained state. It managed to control its territory and secure peace on the streets of its cities in such a way than nobody gets hurt, even thought people have different opinions.

        March 4, 2014 at 4:46 pm |

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