Pentagon outlines how shutdown would impact operations
September 27th, 2013
02:31 PM ET

Pentagon outlines how shutdown would impact operations

By Jamie Crawford

The Pentagon issued guidance on Friday on how a potential government shutdown, which would begin on Tuesday absent a congressional agreement on spending, would impact its operations.

"All military personnel will continue in a normal duty status regardless of their affiliation" under a shutdown scenario, Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter wrote in a memo to military commanders and other senior defense officials.

But continued service could present complications for the troops themselves, Carter added.

"Military personnel will not be paid until such time as Congress makes appropriated funds available to compensate them for this period of service," he wrote.

This would include troops currently fighting in Afghanistan.

In addition to carrying out their presently assigned duties, Carter said military personnel may be permitted to carry out the activities of personnel who are furloughed as a result of any shutdown, so long as that activity can be done without incurring any new obligations.

Active reserve components in the military would also continue to report for duty to carry out existing authorized duties.

Reserve personnel would not be ordered to active duty, an accompanying packet of guidance to Carter's memo said, unless that duty was in support of military activities deemed necessary for national security, including the fulfillment of any associated pre-deployment activities.

Orders for National Guard units that are in effect at the time of a shutdown would terminate unless they were being done in support of any activity that was deemed an exception.

On the civilian side, the guidance said only the "minimum number of civilian employees necessary to carry out excepted activities will be excepted from furlough."

Those civilian employees who are not furloughed "also will not be paid until Congress makes appropriated funds available," Carter wrote in his memo.

It is expected that should a shutdown occur, civilian employees would have to report to work, but then would be told who is essential and must continue their work, while others would be sent home.

The shutdown could also impact death benefits and emergency payments going to families of any service members killed in action during a shutdown.

Defense officials who were appointed by the president and subject to Senate confirmation would not be subject to furlough. Any staff member working for those officials would be exempted from furlough at the discretion of the specific appointee.

The Pentagon said any contractors working on projects fully funded prior to a shutdown would be able to continue regardless of whether the project applied to an excepted activity or not. New contracts however, could not be executed unless they were in support of an excepted activity.

In his memo, Carter stressed the guidance did not identify every sector or activity that was deemed excepted during a shutdown, but was to serve as a template for "prudent" planning.

"It should be applied prudently in the context of a department at war," Carter wrote, "with decisions guaranteeing our continued robust support for those engaged in that war, and providing assurance that the lives and property of our Nation's citizens will be prosecuted."

–CNN's Barbara Starr contributed to this report.

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  1. grecipatri

    God is talking to us on Time!!!
    Luke: 21:22 to
    the Lord Say :
    FOR THESE BE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE, THAT ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BFULFILLED.
    AND THERE SHALL BE SIGNS IN THE SUN, AND IN THE MOON,IN THE STAR; AND UPON THE EARTH DISTRESS OF NATIONS, WITH PERPLEXITY;SEA AND THE WAVES ROARING;
    MEN'S HEARTS FAILING THEM FOR FEAR, AND FOR LOOKING AFTER THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE COMMING ON THE EARTH;FOR THE POWERS OF HEAVEN SHALL BE SHAKEN.
    AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.

    AND WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS; THEN LOK P, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGHT.
    AND HE SPAKE TO THEM A PARABLE;BEHOLD THE FIG TREE, AND ALL THE TREES; WHEN THEY NOW SHOOT FORTH, YE SEE AND KNOW OF YOUR OWN SELVES THAT SUMMER IS NOW NIGHT AT HAND.

    SO LIKE WISEYE, WHEN YE SEE THESE THINGS COMO TO PASS, KNOW YE THAT KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND.
    VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.
    HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY; BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.
    AMEN.
    GOD BLESS YOU GUYS ....

    October 3, 2013 at 12:14 am | Reply
  2. ShiverMeTimbers

    Israel is America's real enemy. No more tax money for Apartheid Israel.

    October 2, 2013 at 3:41 am | Reply
  3. john smith

    America is the root of all terror. America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2.
    In 1953 America overthrow Iran's democratic government Mohammad Mosaddegh and installed a brutal dictator Shah. America helped Shah of Iran to establish secret police and killed thousands of Iranian people.
    During Iran-Iraq war evil America supported Suddam Hossain and killed millions of Iranian people. In 1989, America, is the only country ever, shot down Iran's civilian air plane, killing 290 people.
    In 2003,America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and 4,000,000+ Iraqi people were displaced.
    Now America is a failed state with huge debt. Its debt will be 22 trillion by 2015. ha ha ha

    October 1, 2013 at 3:01 am | Reply
    • ShiverMeTimbers

      You give us too much credit. Don't forget Apartheid Israel. Those scoundrels are always up to no good.

      October 2, 2013 at 3:42 am | Reply
    • steve

      my god your an idiot

      October 2, 2013 at 11:49 am | Reply
      • David

        Though I agree with the essence of your post...

        Never, ever post the phrase "your an idiot".

        October 2, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
  4. joe d

    lets give more money to israel...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...how's that working out for you idiots

    September 30, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Reply
  5. RC

    Why do the President and Congress keep getting paid but the military that we need do not?

    September 30, 2013 at 11:52 am | Reply
  6. John Longshore

    This really chokes my goat! Things have changed since my day when contracters could get in the pay line at the end.

    September 30, 2013 at 10:41 am | Reply
  7. David

    I have no problem with all government employees being paid – but all pay should be dramatically cut, including the military's

    Pay and benefits and pensions at the federal level (especially the military) have gone through the roof since 2000. If we had a balanced budget, fine, but we don't. Pay should be in accordance to revenue and even then it should be examined for reasonableness.

    Examples: Chairman JCS 2000 made $135k, in 2012 over $300k.
    Colonel retired today after 30 yrs (age 52) receives over 120K a year plus benefits for life.
    In 2010 the FAA went from having only 3 employees making over $170K to 1700 employees making over 170K

    September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am | Reply
    • Gaven

      You are so grossly misinformed. You make it sound like everyone in the military retires at the rank of O6 at 30 years. You used one example of a high-end rank and time in service that few, relative to the total number of personnel that actually serve in the military, will ever attain. Regardless, that 30-year O6 you are drawing into your figures will take home about $90-95k after taxes, not $120k.

      That's great that you "have no problem with all government employees being paid", which is awfully considerate of you because, you know, people that serve their country and in harm's war should really work for free or, at most, for peanuts. That's how you come across...as if "dramatically" cutting military and government employee salaries is going to solve everything.

      The highest pay raise we received in the last 13 years was 4.8% in 2000. Since then, we have consistently received smaller raises that do not keep up with the annual cost of living increases. In 2011 is was 1.4%, in 2012 it was 1.6%, in 2013 it was 1.7%, and we are slated for a whopping 1% raise in 2014 unless Congress says otherwise. Ohhhh! Ahhh! “Through the roof!”

      The solution is not paying military and government employees less; the solution is downsizing our military as a whole. We have at least one base in over 180 different countries, all of which we have to lease land from any given country's government as well as pay all upkeep and infrastructure costs. We spend more than the next top 10 countries combined in military spending. We could spend half that amount and still be an extremely effective DEFENSE force, provided our representatives doesn't insist on forcing our military to play the role of World Police every time a dictator has issues with his civilians and strife occurs.

      The last thing you want to do is place a pay cut on the very people that protect your ability to write the nonsense that you are spewing. To retain highly trained and properly qualified military and government employees, you have to pay them what their civilian counterparts earn. Oh, and by the way, I don't see any 4-star Admirals or Generals making $20M a year like CEOs do, yet they are in charge of just as many (if not more) people than many of these CEOs are, have much bigger decisions to make that effect not only their personnel but America's defense, and not to mention many have been out there in harm's way and in some way laid their life on the line to serve America. Find me one CEO that does that for America. Until you do, your argument is invalid.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:53 am | Reply
      • Caleigh Kincaid

        Your entire post is incredible. 5 stars! (seriously, best thing i've ever read in my life.)

        September 30, 2013 at 9:21 am |
      • Jim

        Well said!

        September 30, 2013 at 9:37 am |
      • AdamQ

        Very good point here. Too bad nobody will ever listen to the opinion of an everyday American.

        September 30, 2013 at 11:07 am |
      • David

        Grossly misinformed? Everything I stated was a fact.

        I do think that when I was in the military, it was an underpaid job, but it has been turned from service into a multimillion dollar career with retirement at middle age.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
      • Tony

        Much as I agree with your overall post, your "takes home only..." as opposed to "receives" in the post that you replied to is a bit disingenuous.

        Using such tricks to support your argument, no matter how sound, tends to weaken it instead.

        September 30, 2013 at 11:24 am |
      • RC

        You should be writing for CNN and FOX.

        September 30, 2013 at 11:54 am |
      • Trevor

        David- When you said that we in the military can "retire" at middle-age...are you inferring that the retirement check we will receive will allow us to "retire" (ie not work)? I'll hold follow-on comments until you respond...

        September 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
      • David

        That depends how comfortable you think you should live. Consider I just talked with a guy at work (his choice to keep working of course), who takes in 57k per year after just 22 years of service, some of it tax free (everyone tries to get some sort of disability). He's in his forties.

        I mentioned colonels with 30 at age 52 take more than 120k per year. All this with automatic adjustments for cost of living. A retiree could live to be 100 and have collected for over 50 years! 100 may not be that uncommon by the time 2060 rolls around.

        September 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
      • Trevor

        David- I suppose if you're willing to take a 50% reduction in salary in your early 40's most likely with kids on their way to college then have at it...

        September 30, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • Dee

      You are so very wrong. My husband retired as an E7 after 27 years in the military. His monthly retirement is just over $2000. You want to talk about benefits for life. He appears to have the beginning effects from Agent Orange exposure. We just spent over 6 hours trying to get through all the paperwork to get him into the VA system...We still don't have an appointment to see a Doctor, we still don't know when we will get one. So all that money and all those great benefits – you better think again. Of all the things to insult our military by telling them that the price tag on them putting their life on the line is to high. Well you can thank my husband and all the military before him and after him that you can still insult them like that – they fought for your freedom! Oh and by the way – take a note of the 6 hours just to enroll and then the waiting game – people thought the Govt running their health care was a good idea....you might want to think again.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Reply
      • David

        Dee,

        I totally understand your point. In fact, what you wrote is the common misunderstanding of today's military. If your husband suffered from agent orange, he was Vietnam era. The military was underpaid in those days.

        Today is a different story. I know many people in the military today that tell me what has happened with the skyrocketing pay, benefits, retirement and bonuses. You have no idea what it has become.

        September 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Bobpitt

      David you butt is being kick in and rightfully so, quit now and go and lick your wounds..

      September 30, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Reply
      • David

        As a guy that served in the military, had a father that retired as a 30 yr colonel with 2 tours in Vietnam, a mother that still collects his pension, works with dozens who are already collecting active duty retirements or double dipping with the reserves, I think I know what I'm talking about.

        See, I am informed. Those posting here only have their imaginations and a belief in what they wish the world was like. It just isn't that way.

        September 30, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
  8. Steve

    So the troops will have they pay suspended yet the politicians are creating this nightmare still get paid on time. This entire situation is a disgrace to our country. Our representatives in Washington better get their act together and learn how to make intelligent decisions and reach compromise. Our great country deserves better.

    September 30, 2013 at 8:08 am | Reply
  9. sam

    I take nothing away from our military members, especially those deployed and fighting, and I believe they SHOULD be paid on time and in full. That said, I do grow a bit weary of the "fighting for your freedom" line. Look, let's be factual here. The last time the US was actively involved in a war that potentially threatened the continental US was maybe WWII.
    Now, if the cold war had turned hot, we would have had a global mess that would have made WWII look like a minor event. So, with that, again, taking nothing away from current service but I don't believe that we are currenty "threatened" in a substantial way.

    September 30, 2013 at 5:17 am | Reply
    • Renee

      Tell that to my kids as their dad leaves in 2 weeks for a 3rd deployment to Afghanistan. Right or wrong those deployed are still risking their lives and are "threatened" and "fighting for freedom".......out of sight and out of mind to the American people.

      September 30, 2013 at 5:30 am | Reply
      • nhguy

        you volunteered. deal with it.

        September 30, 2013 at 7:49 am |
      • Trevor

        nhguy- She didn't "volunteer" jack@ss, her spouse did, and he "deals" with it EVERYDAY. You sir, in no position to tell ANYONE who has "dealt" with it (not knowing if their life may come to a screeching halt if their husband or wife dies in combat) to do ANYTHING...

        September 30, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
      • johnharry

        Renee,

        welcome to the club, 7 deployments.

        September 30, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Lamont

      Comments like that Sam should stay in your head or spoken at some other venue. I don't even know exactly what point you were trying to make there, but as a 27-year retired veteran of the United States Army who has seen plenty of war, I take your rant as being both insulting and disrespectful.

      September 30, 2013 at 6:47 am | Reply
    • Marine Chick

      We fight the enemy on their turf, so they don't bring the fight to ours.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am | Reply
      • Dave

        Amen! Well said!

        September 30, 2013 at 10:38 am |
  10. California Conservative

    Just the fact that the government will still be drawing their regular pay checks tells us something. It tells us they live by a different set of rules and laws. This is truly appalling to say the least.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:43 pm | Reply
    • ShiverMeTimbers

      yes

      September 30, 2013 at 3:42 am | Reply
    • ShiverMeTimbers

      They should stop giving our tax money to Apartheid Israel, maybe then we could close the budget gap.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:44 am | Reply
      • johnharry

        have you actually been to Israel? go back under the rock you crawled out of.

        September 30, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
    • Goodguy6410

      It tells me that the military is deemed "essential", which...it kinda is, let's face it...as opposed to a gaziilion federal employees who get paid pretty much just for showing up.

      September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am | Reply
  11. Mark

    If this drags on for a long time, one of two things will happen when you don't pay your military and federal police forces. They either take over the government and pay themselves, or they stop coming to work... who's going to arrest them?

    September 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Reply
    • ShiverMeTimbers

      Stop giving our taxes to Apartheid Israel

      September 30, 2013 at 3:46 am | Reply
      • Jeff

        You must be talking about the money we are giving Egypt, Libya, Saudia Arabia, etc. You know buying our FRIENDS in the Muslim world, now that is really what you should have been talking about!

        September 30, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
  12. California Conservative

    Obama with his signature fear mongering.

    September 29, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Reply
    • joe

      I get the feeling you post that comment on every article no matter what the article is about or whether your comment is relevant to anything

      September 30, 2013 at 1:16 am | Reply
  13. Tara S

    My husband is retired military and my two children are preparing to enlist, so I know no one gets rich on a military paycheck. Despite popular belief, military members do pay something for the health and education benefits they and their families receive. Congress members and their families pay nothing for the premium health services and free college educations they get. I think we'd quickly find some funds to keep the government afloat if that free ride ended!

    September 29, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Reply
    • Col. MUSKET

      Ya vote for monkeys – - ya git monkey rules, . . . but the monkey feed may come later. Soldier Tommy will work regardless, but Federal Freddy will be "On Fer-low". No work, but will get paid for his strife later.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:50 am | Reply
    • Lamont

      Amen!

      September 30, 2013 at 6:29 am | Reply
  14. Tara S

    My husband is retired military and my two sons are enlisting soon. So I can tell you that nobody gets rich on a military paycheck! But did anyone know that the families of Congress members get free college educations, free health benefits, and a variety of other perks even after the Congress member has retired? And unlike active-duty military members who have deductions from their checks for pensions, education, and family health care, Congress members do not have to pay anything for their families' benefits. There's your freeloaders!

    September 29, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Reply
    • Stacey stump

      I agree with Tara S.

      September 30, 2013 at 12:51 am | Reply
  15. Pete/Ark

    The members of Congress who support the shut down will continue to get paid ... troops under fire may not ... cut the rest of the bull, THAT is not acceptable ... judge traitors and seditionists by their vote ... the House majority are on the brink of giving aid and comfort to the enemy ...

    September 29, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Reply
    • Jim Bob

      while I hear you on the concern of troops not being paid, but at least they did authorize that...As far as the GOP being the bad guys, I'm not so sure. One party is the tax and spend and the other is the don't tax and try to figure out what to do. Both are unacceptable given the state of the national debt. I think it's time to do something and at least the GOPs in the House are making it an issue that people have to consider. If they don't/didn't, we'd all forget about it by tomorrow..."Oh good, they raised the debt ceiling and now we have National Health Care and the government offices are humming right along." What debt crisis? I'm starting to move toward Cruz and his wacko tea party friends. Although I'm one who could pay in a government shutdown, I say cut spending first and then talk about the rest later. It's the Senate who needs to wake up and Obama needs to stop listening to Hillary Clinton and hold off on his pet project- at least until Congress can figure out a way forward rather than these violent pendulum swings.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
  16. carla

    For the idiot that is saying that the military are freeloaders, what have you done for our country lately? If they don't get paid and end up on welfare, you'll be complaining about that next. My son has been deployed 4times. Risked his life for YOUR safety. He has a wife, son, mortgage, and provides for his family on cruddy pay. He enlisted after 9/11 because he believed he needed to. If any other company ran a business like our government does, they wouldn't stay in buisness and people would get fired. Why does congress still have their jobs. Please remember this when its time to vote.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • Jim Bob

      Nice. You tell 'em! Less than 1% of the American population is now affiliated with the military. The rest of us are the freeloaders!

      September 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Reply
      • Trevor

        Thats not what Carla said...she was referencing a targeted group of individuals that were clearly stating that we in the military don't "earn" our pay and benefits. Comprehension 101 for you = FAIL.

        September 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
  17. NMFAJoyce

    Thanks for highlighting the potential effects of a government shutdown on our service members and their families. While service members will get paid this week, a shutdown of more than a week could delay their October 15 paychecks, causing our service men and women still at war, working to support those at war, and deployed to many other locations around the world financial concerns for themselves and their families. A shutdown will also affect support services, including health care, for military families. The National Military Family Association has posted a government shutdown resource on its website (www.militaryfamily.org). We want to make sure families know what to expect and what resources are there to support them should our Nation's leaders be unable to keep our government running. We want to lower the stress levels of our military families by providing good information for them. Keeping the government open AND ending sequestration would be a bigger help in lowering that stress.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Reply
  18. SeanInTokyo

    The military will get paid, eventually. When the time comes, they will get back pay. Will there be financial errors for and/or against individuals.....yes, definitely. And it's entirely possible, the gov't (no matter how childish they are) will pick up the tab on most of late fees for mortgages and other payables the military men and women have.
    Does it suck? HELL YEAH! But not being able to go out drinking for a few nights won't hurt anyone. In fact, this is an excellent opportunity for MWR/Services/FSS to step up their game, and provide games, sports, and activities to keep people busy.

    September 29, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Reply
    • carla

      I don't know about you, but most companies could care less why your late on your bills. This can affect peoples credit. Sure they will get paid "eventually" but it's still late. There is no excuse for this happening. None. Fire all of them.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Reply
    • Pete/Ark

      Please stay in Tokyo ... you have no place here ...

      September 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Reply
    • Al Simoneaux

      Look SeaninTokyo in the real world the government WILL NOT pay late fees or anything else. They will only say you should have planned better. I learned that after 16 years!!! So it sounds like you know a little about the military so you should KNOW BETTER. Then again you are faking it right! Good luck to you guy.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • Mark

      You apparently don't realize that the civilian MWR people will be furloughed and not be getting paid, so there will be fewer services, not more. Nearly all of those billets are now civilian. Some may be contractors, so I don't know if the contracting companies will continue to get paid, and therefore be able to continue to operate.

      BAH/BAS will also not be dispersed. There are a lot of military people with families who pay rent and buy food with that money. Everyone in uniform isn't going out and spending their cash at the bar. Some are buying diapers and food.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Reply
  19. S. Pyeatt

    Mr. Smith–Please agree to come give me your opinion...face-to-face.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Reply
    • SeanInTokyo

      The military will get paid, eventually. When the time comes, they will get back pay. Will there be financial errors for and/or against individuals.....yes, definitely. And it's entirely possible, the gov't (no matter how childish they are) will pick up the tab on most of late fees for mortgages and other payables the military men and women have.
      Does it suck? HELL YEAH! But not being able to go out drinking for a few nights won't hurt anyone. In fact, this is an excellent opportunity for MWR/Services/FSS to step up their game, and provide games, sports, and activities to keep people busy.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Reply
      • jm

        YOU ARE A DUMMY

        September 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
      • Lamont

        I agree: You are a dummy!

        September 30, 2013 at 6:32 am |
  20. Jay Studley

    So, some of you should read the news and see that a separate bill was put out to pay our military and civilian employees. I also read that there is no democratic opposition to that bill, It's separate from the other bills. The military will be paid.

    September 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm | Reply
    • U.S.M.C. 1371

      They always get paid. I served threw two shutdowns and never missed a dime. A soldier in the army stated he was paid a month late.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Reply
      • Mark

        During the shutdowns in '95 and '96, the DOD budget had been passed and approved, so that part of the government continued on. This time, NOTHING has been passed, so no one gets paid without a CR.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • tom

      It is you who should read the news. A bill was introduced, sponsored by a republican and democrat, to continue military pay during a shutdown but the bill went nowhere.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Reply
    • ShiverMeTimbers

      Netanyahooooo came to see President Obama. He wants to make sure he gets his share of Welfare. Israel will get its pound of flesh even if there are homeless, hungry Americans in the streets. You betcha!

      September 30, 2013 at 3:50 am | Reply
  21. Bud

    For those thinking this isn't a big deal to military families.....When was the last time you worked a 60 hour work week for free?...And tried to find a way to make ends meet while working such a schedule?

    September 29, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Reply
  22. Ilovemysailor

    What do you think all those people in their expensive jackets would say?

    September 29, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Reply
  23. Brian Smith

    "It should be applied prudently in the context of a department at war," Carter wrote, "with decisions guaranteeing our continued robust support for those engaged in that war, and providing assurance that the lives and property of our Nation's citizens will be prosecuted."
    Perhaps if you had a fourth-grade education you would know the word you meant to say – "Protected" instead of "Prosecuted".

    September 29, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Reply
    • tom

      Brian Smith, is that your real name, troll.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Reply
  24. Brian Smith

    If you are in the military because you 'want to defend your country' – then you shouldn't stop just because you're not going to be paid for it. If you joined the military for 'steady employment, discounts, benefits, easy street in a fantasy world, the GI bill, and because you can legally get paid to kill civilians' – then I'm afraid we just can't afford to keep you paid, sorry. Just more government freeloaders like those on welfare.

    September 29, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Reply
    • Erik

      What a crock. You are the lowest of low. You completely ignore the fact that those who joined for what you consider the "right reasons" will still not be paid. Those members still have mortgages and other substantial bills. And those that joined for the "wrong reasons" under your logic are justified in being screwed. All members, regardless of the reason that they joined, are performing a service. And that service is ultimately for the betterment of their country. To make military members suffer without pay while they are making the ultimate sacrifice is reprehensible,regardless of their motives for joining.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Reply
      • Ron Smith

        + 1 Erik. You said it all.

        September 29, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
      • sushilti

        ditto!

        September 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
      • John

        As a service member I completely agree Erik.

        September 29, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
      • Geoff

        I agree Eric. More importantly, I know even though I joined the military voluntarily, my FAMILY did not. I joined the military knowing full well the sacrifices I would personally have to make. My family however never signed a dotted line, and it's my family that will suffer the most under this, not me.

        September 29, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
      • Augustus von Laendlerhaus

        Schwein

        September 29, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • milchuck

      What an idiot....you sound like somebody who tried to make it in the military but couldn't so now you're made at the world in your minimum wage job. BTW, the word "prosecuted" was used properly since it also means "to continue". Maybe you should have paid more attention in 4th grade.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Reply
      • Augustus von Laendlerhaus

        90% of Americans never serve – ever. That's all walks of life. It's easy to talk the talk, as long as you don't ever, I mean EVER have to walk the walk – i.e. put yourself on the line. Speaking of "freeloaders... isn't wrapping yourself in the flag of freedom, insulting the ones who unselfishly provide an avenue to conduct themselves, free to hide behind a monitor, safe from a punch in the mouth – you enjoy something that the very few supply your worthless carcass – the liberty and freedom to insult without risk. Just another one =so many ingrates – just another "freeloader". No skin in the game, not now, never. Wasn't this kind of ilk the same kind of slime that slithered off to Canada with their "partners", free to live the lifestyle aka "perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable."?

        September 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • Davis

      Although its your opinion, I must say its a stupid one! Do you even know what recruiters are telling kids nowadays, just to fill their quota? Little to do with serving the country. Its about the benefits they sell to these kids today. Education, travel, and pay! Yes, hopefully the kid isn't too ignorant to not know that first and foremost you will be serving the country and everything else comes second, third, fourth, etc. But for you to say to the military community to basically shut up and color without pay, is just negative on your part. Have you served or currently serving? Some people have families you know, and some families have their sponsor serving in a warzone right now. So think about that before you ramble on calling folks in the military equal to those that get welfare when we don't get paid! I would love to see how many people would actually serve if they weren't getting paid, putting their life on the line for no benefits. I guarantee the draft would need to be executed due to a low count of personnel.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Reply
    • Tofi

      YOU JERK!!!!!!!!! Not everyone who joins the military want to join for that reason only. When they join the army, they join for OPPORTUNITIES!!!!! FOR A FUTURE!!!!!! TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILY!!!!!!!! To make their family proud!!!! for family honor!!!!! or even for their countries honor!!!!!!!!! Its not just about the money, BUT! having to have something in return for their SERVICE!!!!! FOR THEIR SELFLESS SERVICE....IS A BONUS!!!! Not everyone can be in the most prestigious organization there is in the army!!!! not everyone can survive the training that the military do!!! AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE SPOUSE AND THEIR KIDS IN THE REAR???? what do they get? A " Hey, thank you for lending us your husband/wife/child/grandchild/sister/brother/etc to help defend in the name of the US..HAVE A GREAT DAY!"....MILITARY PAY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT..TO HELP WITH THOSE FAMILIES WHO ARE ON THE REAR WHILE THEIR LOVE ONES ARE OUT THERE PUTTING THEIR LIFE IN DANGER EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR YOUR DAMM FREEDOM!!! AND WHAT YOU COULDNT DO!!! THE SOLDIERS HAVE FAMILIES WHO ARE LEFT AT HOME TAKING CARE OF HOME TILL THEY GET BACK SAFE AND SOUND..... MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING....AND ITS CERTAINLY NOT WORTH SOMEONES LIFE. BUT THATS THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE THE MILITARY IS WILLING TO GIVE..... ITS THE LEAST THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO FOR THE MILITARY FAMILIES WHOSE LOVE ONES ARE SERVING AND HAVE SERVED...AND TO THOSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE LOST IN ALL THESE WARS WE'VE BEEN IN YOU JERK!!!!!!!!!

      September 29, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Reply
      • Tofi

        and to add on onto your stupid statement about–"legally kill civilians"- SERIOUSLY??????? you idiot!!!! you probably was one of those who tried to join the service and couldn't get through...seriously, educate yourself before you publicize your opinion so you don't come off as ignorant and stupid like how you already are...smh..smh..

        September 29, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • Terik Ororke

      If you are in the military then you may be in harms way - you also have dependentd-those in offices are not in the same situation. The military should be paid and the members of congress have 20k deducted from their salaries.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Reply
      • Ilovemysailor

        Thank you! I was just talking to my husband about the exact same thing. 20k would pay 10 E-6 or 12 E-5 or 15 E-4's and the list goes on and on. I am sure any senator or representative gets paid much more than 20k every 2 weeks.
        Why do BOTH Democrats and Republicans feel it's ok to trample on the soldiers that work so hard. These senators and representatives fight and fight and fight for what they want but they take us between their feet, step on us and leave us hopeless.

        September 29, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
    • Tim B

      even if they joined for the benefits... which would be 99% of the military... They are definitely not free loaders and are required to earn that shi*ty pay that the government claims is more than enough.

      You're an ass.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Reply
    • Rob

      What an interesting idea... the "right" reason. Mr. Smith apparently has no idea to what he is referring. There is no "right" reason. All military members understand that regardless of the reason that they joined the armed services, they have obligations to fulfill, whether that is to prepare for engagement with the enemy, to maintain the administrative functions of the military or to train the warfighters.

      I'm confused as to exactly what the "right" reasons are in Mr. Smith's mind. Are we, the members of the armed services, supposed to work 50-60 hours a week for patriotic thoughts, 3 meals a day, and the love of our fellow countrymen? If so, I fear that we are being sadly underpaid by a portion of the country (specifically the costal regions).

      We work long hours in extremely dangerous conditions, are subjected to public scrutiny above and beyond any other worker, equally hated and loved by the public, and have the distinct duty to leave our home and loved ones for months and years at a time... and at times, we lose our lives in defense of our nation.

      While you sit in your safe work environment and are afforded the chance to go home every single night to your home, remember that regardless of why a person joined the US Armed Forces, they are still very busy protecting you and your right to have your very narrow minded, uninformed opinion of us. We will wake up in foreign and hostile locations, work for hours on end to accomplish a mission without ever having the benefit of overtime, and stare down the enemy, regardless of what brought us to the recruiters office in the first place.

      Mr. Smith, if you still think that we should not worry about pay, our bills, our homes, vehicles... so be it. Remember also, that the UCMJ has punishments for people who don't pay their bills. So, we are now in a catch 22 situation by our employer. Our employer won't pay us and will punish us for not paying our bills. On top of that, our credit score is being hurt. If we have too low of a credit score, we struggle with getting a security clearance, which is mandatoy for most of our jobs. So, please, if you would go to work and forfeit your enitre pay while we are forced to, you can come stand beside us and defend the country.

      Until then, please turn your attentions back to your job and keep your opinions about a matter that you cannot fathom, to yourself.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Reply
    • Your military...

      Brian,
      Regardless of motivation we still have bills to pay. We provide a service & without it you would be struggling to learn a second language in a prison camp. Why the hostility? We pay taxes too. Maybe you should direct your anger towards the "Federal" Reserve, congressmen bought & paid for by corporations & failed international policies. Read as much as you can on why our government does what it does. I believe in you.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Reply
    • Grady Roberts

      People, this guy is blatantly leaving ridiculous responses for negative attention, in hopes of getting a reaction from others. The content of his post does not actually have a meaning nor actual feelings behind it, it was obviously just designed to upset others. It is kind of amusing that there are actually people out there with such minimal lives that they have time to spend their days in this manner. It kind of reminds me of how my neighbor's 5 year old daughter makes up stories about seeing monsters roaming our streets in order to get attention.

      September 29, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Reply
    • SCOTT CLIFFORD

      People like you make me sick. "Government freeloaders" these people are putting their lives on the line. What higher price can they pay? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe many of the service members might not agree with the current mission? but they still get up everyday and stick it out. I hope your Starbucks expresso spills and burns those little things you call balls between your legs... but then again... I believe you have demonstrated you don't have any. I welcome you to express this narrow minded opinion of yours to the the people who defend this country (popular policy or not) Must be nice to be in the ivory tower looking down on the peons "Brian Smith" lol

      September 29, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Reply
    • Guest

      Brian I have been in the Army for 18 years and have been in combat four times. If you were standing in front of me I would smack you in the mouth. How long did you serve? What have you done for your country? Idiot! You are the problem and if you think the Military is Welfare, come take a ride with me through Kandahar and see if its Welfare

      September 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm | Reply
      • SCOTT CLIFFORD

        Thank you for your service..."Guest" Would you mind if I called first dips on slapping "Brian Smith"? People like this guy make me laugh. Where would the U.S be without people like him throughout history? lol! I think that disagreeing with the current mission is understandable, it's confusing to the public... we get that.. but this guy seems to equate every service member as a free loading leach. This strong shall devour the weak stuff coming from people like him make me laugh. I guess I'll just refrain from going any further, I get the feeling I'm being winded up from some goofball playing xbox in his basement.

        Ps. Thank you to all of those who have volunteered and are and have served our nation. Someone I think the only thing "Brian" has volunteered for is who gets to get the boss coffee!

        Take care!

        Scott Clifford

        82nd Airborne 2005-2009

        September 29, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • tom

      Brian Smith your comments are disrespectful, rude and plain wrong. You must be a A * * of the highest order.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • Mark

      Spoken like a child who has no idea what the military is like. I've know people who hated the military, but they respect that it is not easy. I was anti-war in terms of Iraq... and I went there with my Reserve unit. Grown ups do things like that child.

      September 29, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Reply
  25. Chuck

    Proaganda

    September 29, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Reply
  26. Randy

    So if we have a government shutdown, the military won't get paid. People who work for the Government won't get paid. People on welfare will get paid though. So will the President and Congress, the very people who shut down the government to begin with. Oh, and they are all rich too. What are we paying them for?

    September 29, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Reply
  27. dave

    It makes no sense to keep paying the military, and continuing the wars, if your concern is about debt. The military is our largest contributor to debt, high taxes, borrowing, spending. If you don't want to do anything about the military spending/borrowing, then you really don't want to do anything. The republican objective must be to eliminate all spending/borrowing, except for the military. That way when we pay our taxes we just pay for the military and more wars, nothing else.

    September 29, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • Ed D

      "It makes no sense to keep paying the military, and continuing the wars, if your concern is about debt."

      Really?? So, you think military payroll is what people are talking about when they mention 'military spending'. Wow. Believe me, that's not the main consumer of DoD funds.

      Military operations and the equipment needed to make those operations run is what they mean when referring to 'military spending', and not their salary.

      September 29, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Reply
      • Brian Smith

        So you're saying paying 3 million people steady above-standard income each month is worth the return on our investment? wow. Also this probably includes DARPA – we need hypersonic missiles that can destroy our enemies all over the world in less than five minutes. That's a lot more than the government shells out for food stamps.

        September 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • nic

      your are an idiot to society

      September 29, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Reply
    • Jeff

      Hey Dave – we in the armed forces do a job...we should be paid for it. We have lives too...bills to pay, rent to pay, and need food for our tables.

      September 29, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Reply
      • Jeff

        And no one is say you should not get paid, bet we as in this nation cannot continue to spend 600 billion a year on the military, if we do we have to raise taxes it's finance 101, we spend more than we make, you cannot live like that forever.

        September 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • Steve

      Social Security and Medicare spending outweigh defense spending by 2:1 you dolt. Educate yourself before you spew that nonsense, dave

      September 29, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Reply
      • Jeff

        Steve, SS and Medicare have their own separate taxes and funding streams which as of today are in the black, if you look at your pay stub(if you have one) you will see this, as far as the normal federal tax we all pay, for every one dollar of tax, fifty cents goes to DOD and 50 cents to everything else, so you might try doing a little readying before you post....

        September 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • shipwreck73

      Efffff U Dave, signed the armed forces

      September 29, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Reply
    • Tim B

      So if we should stop paying the military... Who is going to protect our homeland when no one will join and countless service members dont re-enlist and/or take their retirement instead of leading the newcomers? you sure cant count on other countries to protect us.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Reply
    • eric375

      Yes, lets just stop paying the military. Brilliant!!!

      September 29, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Reply
  28. cranston hoelle

    if you read page 13,764 section 8834.456 of Obamcare law it all makes since now!

    September 29, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  29. StanCalif

    All government spending is approved by the House of Representatives, ALL! They are the ones who rack up the bills then don't want to pay! The annual budget debate has nothing to do with future spending bills, it's about paying for everything they have already approved! Every year it becomes a bigger circus to blame the President, or anyone else! Look in the mirror, Congress, and you will clearly see who is to blame!
    The last week of September is not the time to begin thinking about the budget! Do your work, starting in October, to prepare for next years debate. The budget is gloated with thousands of items we spend money on that are no longer relevant. Ie: Why do we still protect Germany from a potential Soviet invasion, why do we continue to protect England from German missiles? This, and other outdated programs, continue to cost real money. Yet, all you can think about is how to dismantle a program to provide health care to us real Americans! Isn't this just plain stupid?

    September 29, 2013 at 7:52 am | Reply
    • StanCalif

      Every member of the House should be required to actually read what's in the budget! None of them do this! Thousands of irrelevant and useless programs continue year after year. Start in October to eliminate useless programs that cost real money. In other words, DO YOUR JOB!
      As for ACA, this is just a start at fixing America's stupid health care system. Other "civilized" countries provide health care at a horrendously lower cost. ACA was dubbed "Obama Care", in reality is should be named "Pelosi Care". Republicans were invited to participate in it's creation, but refused to cooperate. Now, they whine and complain! But NO Republican offers any better solution! As Romney said "You're on your own"!! Fortunately, he lost.

      September 29, 2013 at 8:26 am | Reply
      • Steve

        Both parties created this situation. The GOP are being destructive in this instance but if you think they have a greater capacity for irresponsible behavior in pursuit of self-interest than the Democrats you are delusional.

        September 29, 2013 at 11:35 am |
      • sharon

        seems like the American people wish a bill had been passed, that if this isn't settled by Monday night,
        our elected officials will get their two week notice, with one week of pay

        September 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
  30. john smith

    Coups Arranged or Backed by the USA
    Since 1945, the USA has been responsible either directly or indirectly of helping remove dozens of governments, many democratically elected, around the world. Sometimes the events are kept secret for years and only slowly come out. Other times, the events are the cause of demonstrations, anger and resentment at the time they occur.
    Whenever, an event like this occurs there are two reasons to be considered.

    Reason 1: The reason given by the USA, its media and its friends around the world. Reasons like Communism, Terrorism, Human Rights, Freedom, Liberation, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc.
    Reason 2: The actual reason. This is usually hidden from the general public and has to be looked for in quotes by under-reported officials or subsequent events on the ground. Often, the victims of the change of government know the real reasons better than the populations of the Western countries. Real reasons are many but usually include Business Interests, Access to Resources, Markets, Military Bases, Strategic Value, or Political Support.
    In the list below only successful changes of government are listed. Many attempts have failed. Cuba is the best example of this.

    September 29, 2013 at 2:37 am | Reply
  31. America1st

    Tea Slags. Unreal.

    September 29, 2013 at 2:21 am | Reply
  32. America1st

    Osama Bin Laden would be proud of these tea party slags. They're about to do more damage to our economy than he did in all those years on the run. Anarchists. Radicals – TEA PARTY.

    September 29, 2013 at 1:54 am | Reply
  33. Random

    I demand we update the laws that if:
    1. The government stalls due to inaction
    2. In the future if it gets this far even, it should be handled in advance
    3. The countries lively hood is held hostage by the politicians

    All serving politicians take a 75% paycut effective immediately. All former politicians on that cush deal where they get paid for life , Instantly lose their paychecks for doing nothing. All vacation time for politicians is immediately spent. All of them lose their life long paychecks instantly.

    What is happening here is we are being thrown under the bus. The politicians are taking vacation after vacation on our dime and not doing their jobs. This is the type of thing the forefathers revolted over. This is real simple. Do your jobs or go home, with out life long checks.

    I support our military. Pay them. On time. (thanks for serving.)
    Hold the politicians pay until it is resolved. IF they complain say what ever they told the military.

    September 28, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Reply
    • Ilovemysailor

      Thank you!

      And what they told every military member was "you will still show up to your duty station regardless of your financial situation (whether your rent is paid or not) and if you need food relief for your family go see if Fleet and Family might have a few spare cans of food for your kids".

      September 29, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Reply
  34. John Smith

    America is the root of all terror. America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2.
    In 1953 America overthrow Iran's democratic government Mohammad Mosaddegh and installed a brutal dictator Shah. America helped Shah of Iran to establish secret police and killed thousands of Iranian people.
    During Iran-Iraq war evil America supported Suddam Hossain and killed millions of Iranian people. In 1989, America, is the only country ever, shot down Iran's civilian air plane, killing 290 people.
    In 2003,America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and 4,000,000+ Iraqi people were displaced.
    Now America is a failed state with huge debt. Its debt will be 22 trillion by 2015.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Reply
    • mike jones

      central bankers are (imf, fed, ecb etc.) are responsible for this. they own the media, and elect (choose for us) our government officials. This is world order stuff for sure.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • Uhmerikwa No Numba One

      The said part is that most Americans are too stupid to realize just how evil their government is.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Reply
    • Balls

      I've never met an Iranian named John Smith. Your country (Iran) supports genocide and international terrorism, 1 trillion times worse than what American has done in any war. Additionally, Iraq seems to be the only country where America made a mistake, all the other wars stopped bad people from doing bad things or were in reaction to an attack.

      September 28, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Reply
      • john smith

        Take your medicine. Which genocide?

        September 29, 2013 at 2:28 am |
  35. wandakate robinson

    "IF" the President couldn't feed his wife and those girls of his he would not be very happy. They however expect our servicemen to not get paid, but they still expect them to show up for work and do their job all day long. I would say that's not fair, what do you say. My husband served his country for 23.5 years, my youngest daughter served for 13 yrs. and my X-son in law is still serving as a major in the Army. I've been there and I know it's tough enough, and without a paycheck it would be unreal. Obama isn't going to worry about that and neither are congress or the senate, no, for them life will go on as usual, pass the wine, oops, I dropped my linen napkin, but my butler will pick that up for me...

    September 28, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Reply
    • huggylove

      TY for your service to Our Country

      September 28, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Reply
  36. Guest

    Real easy to pretend it's that simple. You don't think pay matters to us? Tell yourself that my sentiment isn't prevalent among the troops and hope no one tests it. Every major nation in human history that failed to pay its armies met its end. Eventually, I have to find a way to feed my family if I can't count on the government to keep its promises. Incidentally, I doubt you ar an officer. Sounds like you learned what AWOL is from an episode of NCIS.

    September 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Reply
  37. tj

    If the government won't pay the troops; I say fine, let Mr. Obama sweat it out as well. Don't pay him.

    No more golf trips; no more european trips for Michell and those bratty kids of theirs. No more Jay-Z / Beyonce' vists either. If the Obama's want to eat; take a little trip to the local McDonalds and pick something off the dollar menu.

    No two ply toilet paper. They can wipe their butts on their sleeve.

    Now would be a good time for Michelle to start wearing sleeved shirts.

    September 28, 2013 at 11:26 am | Reply
  38. Parris Larrain

    Hope all you smug people gloating over your Congressman Cruz's illogical, ill-founded, ill-thought-out, noon-cooperative ploy to make a name for himself, are happy. Soldiers without pay, no government services, and stock market plunging! How foolish can you be? Still gloating? Do you think the terrorists looking to destroy the west don't see this as a major opportunity?

    September 28, 2013 at 9:04 am | Reply
  39. Vote Them Out

    Our government officials (Rep & Dem) are all to blame. Our troops get 30 days a year leave(weekends included) and our officials have all the vacations and breaks they want. Some call it a recess. I thought kids in elementary school got recess. Then they claim that there is not enough time to complete the Budget. If they want to go on recess, lets get some adults in office that will do the will of the people, not the will of the party. If our troops pay is affected then the pay of our officials should be also affected. STOP HOLDING OUR TROOPS PAY HOSTAGE.

    September 28, 2013 at 6:46 am | Reply
  40. Guest

    Dear Congress,

    If you don't pay me, I won't show up to work.

    Sincerely,
    A member of the military

    September 28, 2013 at 6:32 am | Reply
    • Guest

      If you are in my command you will receive an Article 15 and be declared AWOL. Service is not about the pay... And for those who don't know, Article 15 can equal a months pay taken away. If you are a leader and saying this then you might as well get your resume ready because that is not compatible with duty.

      September 28, 2013 at 11:36 am | Reply
      • Bob

        Guest (the one threatening the Article 15),

        You want to work for free, knock yourself out. Hope your family can eat your sense of duty. Mine like food so eventually I have to come up with something if there is no pay. Good call on the resume though, probably best to go somewhere our skills, experience and training are appreciated.

        September 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
      • Guest

        It is simple regulations Bob. The military is not like other places to work. If food is the issue/ rent, USAA is offering 0% interest loans and Most services have relief funds. Also any shutdown won't affect 1 OCT pay, and it's hard to see this thing going beyond mid-month... Let's put it this way, would you want to go to combat with someone who will quit if their pay is going to be late. The US Armed forces are not mercenaries. We will do our duty and leaders should be prepared to enforce standards on those who decide to break regulations (not showing up).

        September 28, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
      • Guest

        Senor leadership in the military has absolutely lost its fcuking mind.thats why we are going downhill so many señor NCOs nd brass afraid of loosing they're career instead of taking the moral high road,how about instead of the brass Sh$$ing on us they say hey mr. President your going to pay us or we are going home,it's not right for you and congress to get paid and welfare to be distributed if we dont.right?because that would go along with every gay acronym theyve invented and honor and loyalty and what not to their men

        September 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
      • Bob

        So I should borrow money to buy food over this? Thanks for the tip. If you think this doesn't impact good order and discipline you are a fool.

        September 28, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
      • Guest

        Did I say there would be no impact? I merely stated that when you swear your oath... Which all servicemen and women do, there is no clause that states. "All this is optional if the government shuts down for a day"... I am far from a fan of senior leadership. If the military did a furlough that would be another thing, but they do not. That means servicemen skipping work will get back pay as soon as Congress comes up with a solution. So you are saying they should not show up if there is a shutdown and still expect their back pay? This brings me back to the point that the US Armed forces are not mercenaries. I pity the citizens of our country if that day ever comes, and that fact makes us different than most other militaries in the world. Good day to you, and thank you for your two cents.

        September 29, 2013 at 2:01 am |
      • Bob

        I also signed a contract that says I will be paid. Why are they exempted from their obligation but I am expected to keep mine? Duty and patriotism are all fine but at the end of the say this is a JOB first for me. I guess that sort of does make me like a mercenary.

        I've been deliberately hyperbolic here. Most service members can swallow a delay of a week, and assist those of us who run into trouble. What I don't like is putting my trust in a group like Congress (and I mean both parties) that has proven itself unworthy of that trust time and again. That trust does have an end. I'm not even sure where that limit is myself but I don't want to find out.

        September 29, 2013 at 6:19 am |
      • Retired

        In a sense, our military personnel are mercenaries. Remember, we now have an all volunteer mitary. As an officer, one can resign at any time. Enlisted can simple not re-up. As one commentor noted, it may be time to dust off the old resume. Push hard enough and the government may have a difficult time recrutting replacements. In the past that was done with the lure of bonuses. Without cash as a carrot who's going to join up?

        I've watched our government in action for a long time. If it isn't in fighting among the parties, then it's dealing with lobbyests. It's no longer the will of the people that elected them. It's the will of a few.

        September 29, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
  41. T Kozubal

    Just remember you republicans that the military are the ones who carry the weapons and protect your ass all the time. If there's a slowdown, you will see that slowdown when you're being shot at. There is nothing worse than a traitor in politics. I hope you don't eat your lunch.
    Boehner will make sure that they continue to build those tanks in Ohio even though they'll end up parked in the northern desert of California next to the thousands already there.
    Just remember you are serving the will of the rich who deserve every ounce of your service.

    September 27, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Reply
  42. Fubarack

    More Bullshiite, they make it sound like they normally do payroll everyday. These shutdowns are always so short lived they are just symbolic.

    September 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Reply
    • sylvia

      ... not only short terms but the big money keeps on flowing i.e...... corporal, generals,commander, secretary of defense, ALL pentagon personnel , all your funds in swiz banks for covert operations and let us not forget all the wining and dining at the capital... give me a break... but they are going to cut the poor slob working in the National Park but not the National Park Service Director..... really ....they thought to scare the Social Security ck people but that would have political downside...so they threaten the "children breakfast program" (of course that is one Huge expense...really??)

      September 27, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Reply
  43. Anne L.

    It is not just a repulican issue. It is all governments fault. A bunch of useless, overpaid, bigmouthed ELECTED idiots. If we don't vote for them they can't win. My sons are in the military, one is oversea's right now and he damn well better get paid before any of these losers.

    September 27, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Reply
  44. World Chaos News

    Reblogged this on World Chaos News.

    September 27, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Reply
  45. Alan King

    Obama is no worse then Bush they are all low class corrupt elected officials that just want to buy the vote. It is time to get rid of them and their perks.

    September 27, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  46. Alan King

    Will our corrupt elected officials get paid? It's time to vote them out. The Republican Party is a dead party

    September 27, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Reply
    • skybill40

      Because it's only the fault of the Republicans, right?

      September 27, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Reply
      • Doug Oz

        This time, yes, IT IS ONLY REPLUBICANS. Whether or not you agree with their cause or not the voting is straight across party lines to tie funding for the ACA to paying our bills. The tactic is all Republican.

        September 27, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
      • Guest

        The tactic is a symptom of a broken system. Both parties are responsible for the state of affairs that gives rise to tactics like this.

        September 28, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • johnharry

      yep we know the democrats aren't passing spending bills either.

      September 27, 2013 at 9:42 pm | Reply
  47. WantingBalance

    And in the meantime, its a billion or so worth of assault weapons to be shipped to the criminals in Syria.

    September 27, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Reply
    • Gerald O'Hare

      How so very true that rings, WantingBalance! Come what may, the right-wing thugs in Washington will always find a way to bail out the riff raft in Syria trying to oust the Assad regime, no matter how many atrocities they commit against the Syrian people. It is also probable it was they who gassed those 1429 people on Aug. 21, last!

      September 27, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Reply
    • tom

      huh? assault weapons for Syria? What exactly are you babbling about? Now I have heard it all.

      September 29, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Reply
  48. WantingBalance

    The Secretary of Defense has control over his department's spending. Since 1994, all military contracts for construction, build/buy/lease programs and outside contracting have a clause that allows the Department of Defense to suspend payment for any good or service not built (completed) or not delivered (services). In that personnel costs were 27% of the defense budget in 2012, we can easily see that in order to make it appear that the GOP is against our soldiers being paid, the secretary of defense has elected to not pay American soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen to make a point.

    September 27, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Reply
    • maddad

      Really, where did you find that BS at. All the "Republicans" have to do is pass a temporary spending measure. But oh it's not their fault that "they" refuse to fund the military unless "they" get their way. Who do you think would contract with the government if at anytime the government could just say we are cancelling that contract you will no longer be paid. The SECDEF nor the President has that kind of power. Neither does congress. They won't be able to buy airplanes, or ships or tanks, or bullets or rifles either. Except for the battlefield. The SECDEF himself is a Republican by the way. I would assume those of us who are Military retirees will not be paid either, though it wasn't mentioned in this article. It just amazes me that people always want to blame it on "Obama".

      September 27, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  49. Alan

    I wonder how many military suicides will occur after families are evicted, foreclosed on, or become homeless due to the delay in their pay. I wouldn't be surprised if many can't even afford lunch at the cafeteria of the government building where they're forced to report.

    September 27, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Reply
    • Alan King

      We have to take it to our elected officials and vote them out of office. They are the lowest!!!!!

      September 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  50. Jason

    "and providing assurance that the lives and property of our Nation's citizens will be prosecuted." Seems to be the case!

    September 27, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  51. R. D'Andrea

    How facinating that the pieces of S%$# politicians get paid but our armed forces that are in harms way do not they all a piles of S$%^!!!!

    September 27, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Reply
  52. Bob

    Isn't it amazing that the loss of funds due to a shutdown would disproportionally affect the sensitive troop salary requirement, a very, very small fraction of the DOD budget. Such decisions are usually made by generals; it is a sign of disloyalty to their Commander in Chief.

    September 27, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Reply
    • Jerry Rustin

      Any mention of disruption of WELFARE checks or FOODSTAMPS due to shutdown? Why is it always military pay, military retirement pay, and social security, something I paid into for 50+ years. It seems the money that people earned is withheld, while they government always finds money for handouts.

      September 27, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Reply
      • U.S.M.C. 1371

        All about buying the vote

        September 27, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • Anne L.

        Because the troops in the military are actually working and trying to protect us. What are the people on welfare and foodstamps doing to earn their pay?

        September 27, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
      • tom

        Handouts? We pay taxes and if we lose our job and request assistance, how is that a "handout"?

        September 29, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
    • skybill40

      Disloyalty to the CIC? Give me a break. If anyone here has been disloyal to the troops and the rest of the American citizenry, it's been that clown.

      September 27, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Reply
      • johnharry

        lol another a-clown knows it all i see.

        September 30, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • WantingBalance

      The director of defense is a political appointee of the Obama administration. Obama has been successful at blaming everything on Republicans. Despite the fact that personnel costs are 27% of the DOD budget, the director is making a point by not paying service men and women and blaming it on the republicans.

      September 27, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Reply
      • johnharry

        what is a director of defense? here we go people just making up names again. next thing you know we will call them Secretary's of Defense, maybe even Secretary's of ARMY, NAVY and Air Force. The Secretary can't not pay people without funds that are not in his budget. which is what this whole fiasco is about.

        September 30, 2013 at 7:44 pm |

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