Arms treaty draws NRA, conservative ire
Secretary of State John Kerry signs the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty.
September 25th, 2013
02:56 PM ET

Arms treaty draws NRA, conservative ire

By Jamie Crawford

The United States signed on to an international arms control treaty Wednesday that seeks to reduce global atrocities, but the road to ratification in the Senate may prove to be extremely bumpy and, possibly, insurmountable.

Secretary of State John Kerry signed the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on the sidelines of this week's gathering of the U.N. General Assembly.

The treaty, which nearly 90 countries have signed, requires signatory countries to ensure arms are not sent to countries where they could be used to commit genocide, crimes against humanity or other serious human rights abuses.

"This is about keeping weapons out of the hands of terrorists and rogue actors," Kerry said as he signed. "This is about reducing the risk of international transfers of conventional arms that will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes."

But with the treaty requiring the consent of two-thirds of the Senate for its approval, the battle lines back in Washington were sharply drawn even before Kerry put pen to paper on behalf of the United States.

Several influential and powerful Republicans voiced their disapproval in letters to the Obama administration.

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the treaty "raises significant legislative and constitutional questions."

Corker, in a letter addressed to President Barack Obama, warned Obama against taking any executive action to implement the treaty because, in his view, the treaty required changes to United States law through legislation passed by both houses before it could go into effect.

"Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution," Corker wrote.

An even greater threat to the treaty's prospects in the Senate was echoed in a letter from Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, to Kerry. Quite simply, the votes for the treaty's passage are likely not there.

In an amendment to the budget resolution this March, 53 senators voted for an amendment sponsored by Inhofe preventing the United States from entering into the treaty. Eight of those votes were cast by Democrats - some of whom face a tough 2014 re-election climate in states that traditionally tilt Republican.

Inhofe, ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said such treaties "threaten our country's sovereignty," and warned the treaty would "collect dust" alongside other U.N.-sponsored treaties such as the Kyoto Protocol and the Law of the Sea Treaty, which were never voted out of the Senate.

While the United States is currently locked in a passionate debate over gun control legislation following several mass shooting in recent months, international events however seem to be the driving force behind the administration's push for the treaty.

As the bloodshed and violence in Syria's civil war show no signs of abating, the Obama administration is signing the treaty in part to apply pressure on Russia to cease its arms sales to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The treaty was adopted earlier this year by the General Assembly, but Russia, and Syria's other major supporter at the United Nations, China, has not yet signed on.

But detractors to the treaty see a threat to individual American freedoms hanging in the balance as well.

"The Obama administration is once again demonstrating its contempt for our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms," Chris Cox, executive director of the Institute for Legislative Action at the National Rifle Association, said in a written statement.

"This treaty threatens individual firearm ownership with an invasive registration scheme," Cox said, adding the NRA would continue working to oppose Senate ratification of the treaty.

Among the concerns of the NRA are the treaty's inclusion of small arms and light weapons within its scope, which the organization says include those same types of arms owned by law-abiding American citizens. The NRA also opposes the treaty's call for the retention of data on end users of imported firearms.

As he signed the treaty, Kerry sought to dispel those concerns by saying the United States would "never think about supporting a treaty that is inconsistent with the rights of Americans."

"The treaty recognizes the freedom of both individuals and states to obtain, possess, and use arms for legitimate purposes," Kerry said. "This treaty reaffirms the sovereign right of each country to decide for itself, consistent with its own constitutional and legal requirements, how to deal with the conventional arms that are exclusively used within its borders."

CNN's Elise Labott contributed to this report.

soundoff (97 Responses)
  1. thelurkingfear

    Before anyone gets their dander up, read the treaty first. It's 14 pages, big print, lots of breaks in simply worded paragraphs, and easy to understand, definitely not written in "legalese." Just Google "UN Arms Trade Treaty." You can see exactly what was signed.

    Takes about 5 minutes to read.

    Then you'll know exactly what the provisions are, and whether or not they infringe on your rights as a legal gun owner or FFL holder in the United States.

    October 2, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  2. saulbejarano

    I have not seen a clear response about Fast and Furious yet where we sent thousands of weapons and ammo to Mexican Cartels and Holder won't even speak about it, what's going on ?

    October 1, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Reply
    • thelurkingfear

      1400 were still missing as of Aug. 13.

      Unfortunately however, over the last five years, F&F notwithstanding, over 68,000 guns have been recovered by Mexican authorities that originated as gun sales reported in the United States, the majority from FFL dealers in the Southwest.

      Lots of problems down there.

      October 2, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Reply
  3. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    "The 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms shall not be infringed….' EXCEPT BY BIG BROTHER...AND DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT BIG BROTHER...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:49 am | Reply
  4. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    CHA... CHA... CHA... CHINA...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:43 am | Reply
  5. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    on the other hand treaties are the reason the US ecconomy was destroyed...nice nice work Clinton...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:41 am | Reply
  6. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    treatys should never be signed by anyone anywhere on anything treatys are an amazing exuse to mother fu ck ones imaginary citizens...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:39 am | Reply
  7. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    Countdown for the UN lead genocide expansion in Syria...tick tock... tick tock...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:35 am | Reply
  8. Tryijvhnk Hfghjgj

    90 Countrys who do not represent their "people" signing a law that means just the inverse of its stated intent. Now that is Israelie education for you...they should just ban education while they are feeling busy doing nothing...

    September 28, 2013 at 7:31 am | Reply
  9. TiKo

    Isn't it rather hypocritical that the reason for the treaty is supposedly to prevent sales to rogue nations and yet the democrats refused to vote for a law that forbids schemes such as obama's Operation Fast and Furious. Anybody remember that one? You know, that was where they sold guns to the Mexican drug cartels via straw purchasers. Brian Terry (remember him?) was shot and killed along with over 400 Hispanics. NICE. Remember the cover-up? Remember how obama ordered the justice department not to prosecute his boy, holder, for contempt of Congress for his refusing to supply Congress with info on it? Yep, it sure is funny that I have to be punished for owning guns and obama literally got away with a halfwitted scheme that got hundreds killed with many more to come. If a white President had gotten a single black agent killed via such a illegal scheme obama and his type would advocate mayhem in the streets. The UN somehow missed our rogue president's actions but wants to control me.

    September 27, 2013 at 7:50 am | Reply
  10. acsj

    Demand you Senator vote NO

    September 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  11. Dallas

    At the same time he signed this he is packing Automatic weapons to terrorists in Syria. The President again broke a law. When will these criminals be charged? The evidence is self admitted and overwhelming. Impeach Obama's whole chain of command.

    September 26, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Reply
  12. Name*clint

    The problem with these proposals are, they contain terms like "mentally ill", which can be manipulated or defined to include the intire U.S. population.
    The Founders were faced with much of the same situations, and they knew what a government, ran by the wrong leader, could do to the population.
    When people are disarmed, they are defenseless against any one person, or government who wishes to rule them.
    All through history the story is the same. Rise to power, disarmament,
    Oppression.
    Men have always wanted more than they have, so they take it from someone else.
    This statement applys from government, down to your naybor.
    People never tell you straight up they want to take advantage over you. They hide it in complex writing
    And flat out lies.

    September 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  13. Jack Hollis

    What Obama and Kerry need to do is to forge ahead with Iran and work to get a treaty going. Unfortunately, there is a very powerful war lobby in Washington that doesn't want and are willing to pay Congress almost anything in order to block it. It's these people along with their right-wing cronies in Congress who will eventually bring this country down!

    September 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Reply
    • hipshotpercussion

      Jack, what does any of that have to do with Kerry illegally signing a worthless piece of paper. Furthermore, the Senate has to ratify any treaty, and it is a fat chance they will.

      September 26, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Reply
      • Jack Hollis

        Let's hope that you're right, hipshotpercussion. This treaty will be a great thing if it goes through. Now let's all hope that the powerful, right-wing war lobby fails to pay off enough Senators in order to block it!

        September 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
      • Michael

        How is it illegal for the Secretary of State to perform a duty that he and his office are specifically designated to perform? Signing a treaty is part of what the State Department does. Your disagreement with the very concept of attempting to lessen the carnage due to the proliferation of firearms thereby makes this action illegal? It must be real lonely for you, up on your Almighty High Mountain, looking down your nose that the rest of us mere mortals that actually want to make things better for all ... versus better just for you. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ... or the one."

        September 27, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • Tomdog

      This is another law/ treaty which, like 0bamacare can be written and changed after it's passage. The left will stop at nothing to take the ability to protect property and life from law abiding citizens. Taking Pelosi's words, we have to pass the healthcare bill so we know what's in it. This arms treaty is no different. You leftist, socialist Communist think you know what's good for me. You try to protect me from myself. Why dont you declare your own home a gun free zone, a rape free zone, a theft free zone. Or you could just say I"M A LIBERAL"

      September 26, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Reply
      • Michael

        Actually, no, it can't. The Senate can debate and approve or disapprove the treaty. The text of the treaty is fixed. Sorry to burst your bubble ...

        September 27, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Tim

      You want these idiots to "forge ahead" with something that you have no clue what it is? Nice going Jack. Way to pay blind allegiance to self serving politicians. They DO NOT care about any of us!

      September 27, 2013 at 9:17 am | Reply
  14. john

    CNN's Elise Labott contributed to this report.
    Post by: CNN's Jamie Crawford
    Filed under: Sec. State John Kerry • United Nations

    The treaty, which nearly 90 countries have signed, requires signatory countries to ensure arms are not sent to countries where they could be used to commit genocide, crimes against humanity or other serious human rights abuses.
    "This is about keeping weapons out of the hands of terrorists and rogue actors," Kerry said as he signed. "This is about reducing the risk of international transfers of conventional arms that will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes."
    What about unconventional??????????

    Brianna EhleyThe Fiscal TimesJuly 2, 2013 – See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/02/Afghanistan-Slaps-US-With-$1-Billion-Tax-Bill#sthash.KQXpZVeO.dpuf
    The SIGAR letter is the latest in a series of revelations about U.S. government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars in the Afghanistan rebuilding effort Just last week, SIGAR warned Congress that the Pentagon was moving ahead with plans to supply Afghan forces with a $772 million aircraft system, including 48 helicopters and airplanes – that the Afghan military lacks the manpower and training to operate. “It doesn’t make much sense to give someone a Ferrari if they don’t know how to drive stick shift,” Steve Ellis, vice president of Taxpayers’ for Common Sense, said in response to the SIGAR letter.
    - See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/02/Afghanistan-Slaps-US-With-$1-Billion-Tax-Bill#sthash.KQXpZVeO.dpuf

    Now that the USA will not go through with this deal?? Unless the aircraft is for commercial use?????

    September 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Reply
  15. Oakspar77777

    So, Kerry signs a treaty for Obama that the United States Congress has already pre-rejected.

    A treaty which the President already violated in Fast-n-Furious and continues to violate in arming Syrian rebels.

    Hypocrisy and conceit put into a single signature in hopes that some future Congress will approve it and allow the international community power to register or control our small arms.

    September 26, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    • Tim

      Yep. You nailed it. We the people have been abandoned by our government. Time to rise up and take over DC

      September 27, 2013 at 9:19 am | Reply
  16. Thor

    TRAITOR!!

    September 26, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Reply
    • ACSJ

      Yep. Deman your Senator vote NO

      September 26, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Reply
  17. denverboy

    Well the NRA seems to be on the forfront of International small arms sales...Never mind about seonds amendment right...The NRA wants it's Main Group (The Arms Manufactuers ) to have full and unfettered access to sell small arms to any nut case with the money to buy there product....there prrofit for blood trade goes well beyond the scope of simply the Lock and Load simpeltons of America .. The NRA wants its benifactors the above mentioned to profit world wide from there tailsman of death ..and there willing to do anything to bring death and destruction to the people of our World... The NRA had the willingness to see every civil war armed with there product...
    How sick is this organization..How utterly without morals or humanity .. There phycopathic desire to profit from the Destruction of Human life on a global scale .. There needs to find profit in every war at any exspense for the COmpanies they represent..Is beyond Un-American..It's inhuman... They block this treaty at the exspense of tens of thousands of lives...I hope Mr Pe Pe LaPue of the NRA sleeps well at night ... and has no mirrors in his home... He has allot of soul searching to do....But perhaps he's waiting for thoes heavenly gates with twin 50 cliber machine guns mounted on either side......Oh wait a minute...that would be..Hell...

    September 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Reply
    • hipshotpercussion

      Your village called. They want their idiot back. you really need to educate your self before you spout that kind of bovine Scatoligy.

      September 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Reply
    • Three Bars

      This is the first time I've been called a "Lock and Load simpleton"....I kind of like it.

      You just keep drinking that kool aid Denver...

      BTW, try "spell check"

      September 27, 2013 at 3:21 am | Reply
    • Tim

      I have my gun and my farm. When the sh!t hits the fan and the ecomomy collapses, I also have a bullet for each lib that comes looking for food. Big City libs just have no clue.

      September 27, 2013 at 9:23 am | Reply
  18. RC

    "As he signed the treaty, Kerry sought to dispel those concerns by saying the United States would "never think about supporting a treaty that is inconsistent with the rights of Americans."

    Being in the UN and having that bunch of non-ticket paying criminals in the USA is a crime against the United States.

    September 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Reply
  19. John Smith

    America is the root of all terror. America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2.
    In 1953 America overthrow Iran's democratic government Mohammad Mosaddegh and installed a brutal dictator Shah. America helped Shah of Iran to establish secret police and killed thousands of Iranian people.
    During Iran-Iraq war evil America supported Suddam Hossain and killed millions of Iranian people. In 1989, America, is the only country ever, shot down Iran's civilian air plane, killing 290 people.
    In 2003,America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and 4,000,000+ Iraqi people were displaced.
    Now America is a failed state with huge debt. Its debt will be 22 trillion by 2015.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • AKA?

      Nice pen-name. What is it really?

      September 26, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Reply
    • Tomdog

      HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE USA.

      September 26, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Reply
  20. Tom1940

    Time for impeachment of this President.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:34 am | Reply
    • Tom from Canonsburg

      Not an impeachable offence. Period. He has done nothing even close to an impeachable offence. If he did Mitch McConnell would be dancing on the bars of DC.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Reply
  21. Jack

    Isn't the NRA a defender of 2nd Amendment of the United States? When did they get into Foreign Politics?

    Who hands in who's pocket? NRA just go ahead justify this one! And don't give me this big conspiracy theory!

    September 26, 2013 at 11:17 am | Reply
    • ACSJ

      This is a horrible treaty and should not have been signed

      September 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  22. jonny

    Canada did not sign on as our prime minister has stated we will not. The UN is a paper tiger.Waste of money

    September 26, 2013 at 8:20 am | Reply
  23. U.S.M.C. 1371

    Only one problem with this. Does anyone actually think it's going to make any difference at all? The people that want to commit crimes don't care who signed what treaty. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors to send more American taxpayers money to some gutter country that hates us to begin with.

    September 26, 2013 at 5:58 am | Reply
    • jonny

      true comment im tired of canadian money being sent to these groups as well. All they do is hate let them STAY WHERE THEY ARE AND HATE AND KILL EACH OTHER TILL THE LAST ONE STANDING, i really dont care. But i do care about my tax dollars going out of the country especially to the UN.

      September 26, 2013 at 8:56 am | Reply
      • U.S.M.C. 1371

        The U.S. needs to drop out of the UN. I can not remember the last time it did anything productive.

        September 26, 2013 at 9:04 am |
  24. Palle sol Fuoco

    In order for this treaty to be ratified two thirds of the Senate must approve. This treaty will not be ratified.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:29 am | Reply
  25. Marlene Crumley

    So Kerry signed the treaty. It had better not be ratified by Congress or some Congressmen will lose elections. The President has already issued an executive order banning the importation of historical M1 Garands from Korea. If we let the UN dictate what we can and cannot buy and the registration of what we do buy, it'll be a step toward confiscation of what we do own. Get the UN out of the US!

    September 25, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Reply
  26. Joe

    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!

    September 25, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Reply
    • tj

      The only things that stop a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun who is faster on the draw or a better shot or a law enforcement officer who sees him with a gun and makes a split second judgement that he is a bad guy and not a good guy or another good guy with a gun who thinks he is a bad guy with a gun.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  27. dotheflippin'math

    Apparently, anything that could potentially lower the NRA members' future profits, even if it means arming terrorists in foreign countries, is something they will not tolerate. The NRA is all about $$. The more killings, the more people run out and buy more guns. They sold their souls when they got their member cards. The more death, the more the NRA profits. They made a fortune thanks to the children murdered at Sandy Hook. It's sickening. They have zero scruples and no conscience whatsoever.

    September 25, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Reply
    • Me

      Ever occur to you the reason gun owners pay dues to the NRA is to avoid having us be killed by criminals.

      It seems if blood on hands is what you are concerned about, you would applaud anything citizens can do to keep themselves from getting hurt by people who are violent, up to and including arming themselves for their own protection.

      September 26, 2013 at 4:05 am | Reply
    • Dave0943

      Do the math. Do you really think registering or taking away guns from citizens is going to stop a mad man from getting a instrument of death? Get real. rethink your math.The hope is that when that mad man is doing the killing a good guy with a gun is nearby.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Reply
    • Tom from Canonsburg

      You have to be able to do the math. I find that a good number of those fighting this battle about 'gun control' do not read the legislation they are opposing. Manchin-Toomey for example, I doubt that any 'pro-gun' person commenting has even read this proposal. In reality I support the 2nd Amendment, but find the NRA and some of the other groups distorting what the Founders actually passed.

      These promoters don't see that the rules as they are now, allow the gangs to arm themselves. Simple rules like being a registered voter to buy firearms could stop the flow of arms to these people.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • BANTHEIDIOTS

      The OBama Administration is solely responsible for driving the profits of the gun manufactures due to the emotional knee jerk reactions with trash such as the AWB, Toomey-Mancin etc. Obama will be known as one of the greatest arms salesmen of all time. Until you cement heads finally realize, criminals don't follow laws and will get guns no matter what. But some still like to be the sheep and are unable to take care of or fend for themselves. The 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms shall not be infringed....not by the UN, not by Obama, no one!!

      September 26, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Reply
      • steve

        Actually it's paranoia that sells guns. There are more guns being sold , but to the same people. Same people that buy survival seeds and bomb shelters.

        September 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  28. George patton

    on serious note, America should not allow another fast and furious debacle from happening.

    September 25, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Reply
  29. BanGuns2013

    The Arms Trade Treaty" will regulate individual gun ownership all across the world. Each country will be obligated to “maintain a national control list that shall include rifles and handguns” and “to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction for conventional arms.”The treaty also bars “unauthorized” individuals from trading weapons.

    We get everything we want. Gun show loopholes closed. No more trading or selling weapons between individuals. An assault weapons ban. A gun registry and massive heavily enforced regulations on all gun brokers.

    September 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  30. Bill

    I don't know if anyone has actually looked at the "Treaty", but there are a number of items outside of our 2nd Amendment rights...like providing money, material, and/or MANPOWER to any signatory country trying to enforce the treaty. Or how much MORE money we're going to shell out to the UN to implement and maintain this mess. Anyone that thinks this treaty is a good thing needs to understand that there is nothing to our benefit in this treaty. We already have extensive laws governing the import and export of weapons and ammunition...and that still didn't stop Iran/Contra, Fast and Furious, or arms in Libya. Internationally, it didn't stop France and Russia from supplying Iraq advanced military tech during the embargo during the 1990s.

    September 25, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Reply
  31. 06steeda

    wow You antis are really cluless huh? the left will be the ultimate end of this country. Im not just talking 2A here either Every facet of our freedoms are benig attacked and no one seems to give a crap. Sickening!!!

    September 25, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Reply
  32. Denis

    " arms are not sent to countries where they could be used to commit genocide, crimes against humanity or other serious human rights abuses."

    Well the #1 country in those categories is the USA ... so no one can send arms to the USA !!

    September 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Reply
    • Tim

      Hey, Dennis the Clueless. Cite an example of how the US is number one in Genocide.

      September 27, 2013 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • steve

      US arms manufacturers are actually exporting small arms to these regions. That's why the NRA rejects the legislation. Dennis there really hasn't been any crimes against humanity or genocide in the US in the recent past if I remember correctly.

      September 30, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  33. Salty

    and republican voters will fall for it. amazing. we are an embarrassment to the world.

    September 25, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Reply
  34. boungiorno

    just dont know when to quit

    September 25, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  35. USAPeasant

    I think this is a good treaty worthy of signing, but I also can see how there is no way the Dems and GOP are going to sign on to this.

    First things first. This is not an anti-2nd Amendment treaty folks. So you can leave your stupid Anti-gun and Pro-gun signs at home. The issue of this treaty is the sale of arms between nations and foreign factions. This treaty will not make it illegal for you to buy guns. It will however make it illegal for the government to sell guns to terrorists and dictators.

    This brings us to our second point. This treaty is good because it is in both our sovereign national interest and in the interest of the World to not give weapons (most of which Americans cannot even buy themselves) to what is essentially our enemies. However this treaty will not pass the Senate because it conflicts with interests of Both Parties. If this treaty were ratified then McCain, Obama, Hillary, and Bush's plans to arm the Syrian Rebels automatically become invalid and illegal. Furthermore that 1+billion dollars the the Dems and GOP give to Egypt annually will also be gone as they have used that military hardware to massacre their own people just two months a go. Pakistan's annual allowance would also have to slashed, a good amount of the African and Middle East countries would ultimately lose their funding. The Dems don't want this because the Dems want war, even Hillary whom is no longer in politics is all gung-ho to start some more wars and suffering and has made many public statements to support this. The GOP obviously doesn't want this as the FSA is McCain's little pet project and a lot of their 2016 champions, except for Rand Paul, pretty much all espouse the same pro-war rhetoric as Hillary and Obama.

    We should stop giving weapons to terrorists and dictators. If not for the obvious humanitarian reasons, then at least for the reason that these dubious factions tend to backstab us and become our next big national security concern. Also we should stop giving these countries so much money and weapons when our own nation is so broke from frivolous Dem and GOP spending that we might not be able to give our own sovereign military their well deserved pay checks. Unfortunately the Dem and GOP Leadership just wants war and they are paling around with terrorists and dictators around the World. So until we have a REAL change in Leadership in Both Parties, our country is just going to keep making the same mistakes that every failed Empire in history has made. This Treaty should be passed, but with the Leadership of Both Parties so crooked and bent on warfare, I highly doubt it will get signed.

    September 25, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • StanCalif

      Excellent reply! While "we" support everyone's right to own a gun (or five), "we" cannot agree to provide affordable health care! Get shot, too bad! Your shooter has his rights! Go to a hospital for treatment, too bad, you're on your own!

      September 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Reply
      • USAPeasant

        Well see that's a different debate entirely. And it is pretty irritating the NRA has jumped into this debate thus bringing its followers and detractors with it. The issue with this treaty is not Second Amendment Rights. It is whether or not we should be giving weapons, much of those weapons Americans can't even buy even with the Second Amendment Rights, to non-state actors or states which commit humanitarian atrocities. Unlike the Gun Debate in America, this Treaty and this issue at hand is actually pretty straight forward.

        If you do not support the Second Amendment then you should support this Treaty because it is to curb the flow of weapons into dangerous and enemy hands. If you support the Second Amendment you should still support this Treaty because it is to curb the flow of weapons into dangerous and enemy hands.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • Greg

      The reason the NRA got involved is because of the non specific wording of the treaty. Wording that was not clarified and is left open for interpretation. That wording in the treaty could be used to conflict with the 2nd Amendment. The NRA supports the individuals right to bear arms. The biggest buyer of weapons and ammo is the United States government and they don't need the NRA to get weapons of any kind. If you think that Russia and China would not step up production to fill any weapons needs you are the ones who need to pull your collective heads out of the sand.

      September 27, 2013 at 3:30 am | Reply
    • cottonhead

      Well, hopefully because of this treaty that Eric Holder will be prosecuted for his participation in providing weapons to Mexican cartel in "Fast and Furious." Probably not.

      September 30, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  36. nintex

    The NRA has become our third political party, only they don't elect their representatives, they buy them.

    September 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Reply
    • Salty

      sad but true

      September 25, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Reply
  37. RAc

    This is another dumb mistake by Obama and Kerry. These guys live in a world of their own. We do not want or need these stupid treaty's! Where do we find such idiots? How do they get elected? Obama lied on his BAR application and did not get a BAR card. Worst thing a lawyer could do.....Kerry lied on his purple heart claims! Both are not in any way honorable men. They are no good. Why would anyone with any brain follow these fools? How did our great country get into such a mess? Oh ya, we elected fools. So we have fools leading more fools.........

    September 25, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • StanCalif

      No, we followed the biggest fool, George Walker Bush! Now we are paying for our collective stupidity! Did GWB ever tell us anything true? Did he send Colin Powell to the UN to tell outright lies! Did Cheney ever tell the truth about anything? Remember, he allowed the Gulf oil disaster to happen! Oil companies only had to promise not to harm walruses in the Gulf. Surprise, there are NO walruses in the Gulf of Mexico! "Mission accomplished"!

      September 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Reply
  38. Name*clint

    "legitimate purposes,” what are those, from a anti-gunner's point of view?
    NOT THE SAME AS MINE
    There will never be world peace because humans are involved.
    Only self preservation.
    God created man, and Sam Colt made them equil.

    September 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Reply
    • Pao

      legitimate purposes= The 2nd Amendment is not a legitimate reason to own a gun under this new treaty.

      September 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Reply
      • Steve Lyons

        That is a key factor in the issue.

        September 25, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • Stray

      Okay. Let's hear your definition of "legitimate purposes". Don't say yours are different from anyone else's. Define them.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Reply
      • Name*clint

        Because I want one, two, or thirty.
        All with 30rd clips.
        Russian, Israeli, Swiss, excet....

        September 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • denverboy

      No sir God created Man and Sam Colt tunred them into animals...

      September 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Reply
      • Name*clint

        Man has been animals every since he learned to modify his environment.
        Sticks, bones, stones, bronze, steel.
        All have been an instrument of death.
        Man kills regardless of method.
        No law will ever change that.

        September 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
  39. John McKane

    We need an international arms treaty which would hold each and every nation to the same standard. Unfortunately, we don't have one now since the U.S., Great Britain and France do whatever they feel like and have complete disregard for the plights of weaker countries!

    September 25, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Reply
    • USAPeasant

      Don't forget Russia and China in your list, they love to bully weaker nations and fund wars and terrorism/despotism too. Hey what do you know, that's the whole UN Security Council.

      September 25, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Reply
  40. George patton

    It's quite funny how the right-wing news media hardly ever mentions the atrocities carried out by the so-called Syrian "Free" army against the Syrian people, only those purported committed by the Assad regime. We are arming these so-called "rebels" to the teeth and no one seems to care. The Aug. 21 gas attack was most likely carried out by the "rebels" rather than the Assad regime, too!!!

    September 25, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Reply
    • Dan513

      we have a goverment controlled media and they won't stop until they have it all.

      September 25, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Reply
      • John McKane

        I agree, Dan513. The government does control our news media and therefore uses it to brainwash the general public! This is totally wrong. one would almost have to go to Mexico and read their newspapers in order to get the truth!

        September 26, 2013 at 8:01 am |
    • George patton

      Sorry folks, I never posted the above.

      September 25, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Reply
      • George patton

        Oh yes I did, folks! The jerk who posted the above is only trying to make look dumb!

        September 26, 2013 at 8:04 am |
      • George patton

        Oh no I didn't, folks! The jerk who posted the above is only trying to make look dumb!

        September 26, 2013 at 8:13 am |
  41. nintex

    I had to read this article through twice, slowly, because at first I couldn't believe what I was reading. So now the NRA's ability to produce and sell weapons is more important than working for world peace? Why don't we just make the NRA a third political party in this country and have them elect their own senators and representatives – oh, wait.. . .we've already done that.

    September 25, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Reply
    • taco123

      Only an uneducated fool thinks that the NRA "produces and sells weapons". Pull you head out of the sand

      September 25, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Reply
      • lesliee

        Only an uneducated fool thinks that the NRA's primary purpose is not to support the production and sales of weapons. Pull your head out of the sand.

        September 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Pao

      NRA= U.S Gun Owners and non-gun owners who support the 2nd Amendment. Members donate to the NRA.

      September 25, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Reply
      • Incredulous45

        NRA= lobby for gun manufacturers. (Other things too, but that is number 1.)

        September 25, 2013 at 6:37 pm |

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