June 24th, 2013
08:39 PM ET

U.S. says it didn't blunder when Snowden fled Hong Kong

By Jill Dougherty

Obama administration officials, including the head of the FBI, have been burning up the phone lines to Moscow, urging the government of President Vladimir Putin to arrest Edward Snowden and send him to the United States to face espionage charges.

The last thing they want is a repeat of what happened in Hong Kong, when the admitted leaker of national security surveillance programs was able to fly to Moscow on Sunday.

Some critics call the episode a blunder by the administration.

They point to the time line:

On June 14, with Snowden believed to be hiding in Hong Kong, the Justice Department filed sealed charges. The next day, the United States requested the Hong Kong government to provisionally arrest him for purposes of extradition. But the State Department did not revoke his passport until almost a week later - although it stresses it did it before he left Hong Kong.

Snowden was allowed to board a plane to Moscow as Hong Kong authorities told the United States they needed more documentation from Washington.

Justice Department officials, however, say there was no indication from Hong Kong until the last minute that anything was missing or amiss.

In an interview with CNN, Secretary of State John Kerry denied the administration misstepped, saying Snowden had been charged in a complaint that was under seal.

Some legal experts argue, however, that even though the State Department normally is not told about indictments or complaints under seal, this was not a normal case.

"Why didn't the Department of Justice notify State in advance? They will likely say because they did not see a problem coming," says CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend. "I'd suggest that's not a good enough answer given the importance of the case."

The United States also did not ask Interpol to issue a red notice to arrest Snowden.

A Justice Department official said a red notice is sent when a fugitive's location is unknown. In this case, it was clear that Snowden was in Hong Kong.

A furious White House said on Monday that Hong Kong and Beijing knew exactly what they were doing in allowing Snowden to board a flight to Moscow.

"We are just not buying that this was a technical decision by a Hong Kong immigration official," said spokesman Jay Carney. "This was a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the U.S. China relationship."

The State Department is warning of consequences, but is not saying what those might be.

"If we can't count on them to honor a legal extradition treaty, then there's a significant problem. So this is something we're raising very directly with the Chinese," spokesman Patrick Ventrell said.

Douglas Paal, a China expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, tells CNN that retaliation against Beijing or Hong Kong could be "counterproductive at best," given the economic relationship with China as well as pressing international issues like Syria.

The Obama administration also doesn't have much leverage with Moscow, says Matthew Rojansky of the Carnegie Endowment.

"Anything we do is likely to perpetuate one of these negative cycles where we suspend some kind of cooperation and the Russians ... responds disproportionately so it hurts the United States more. We really need Russian cooperation, I think, much more in most areas than the Russians need us," he said.

"We saw the results with the Boston bombing," he added. "We saw the difficulty that that put us in in Afghanistan. We see the difficulty that this puts us in right now in Syria, potentially dealing with Iran. We really need Russian support on a lot of these problems, because they're problems for America."

soundoff (103 Responses)
  1. helenecha

    After the leak, why couldn't the U.S. consider that protecting Snowden from meeting further troubles abroad by itself is America's first priority? Not only is Snowden an American citizen, but also he is one of the members of CIA team. Could it be said that the more troubles Snowden will meet abroad, the safer the national interests of the U.S. are going to be?

    June 26, 2013 at 12:11 am | Reply
  2. California

    The one thing you can count on that this administration will always do is LIE.

    June 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  3. Alex279

    White House is furious... ...In fact, it is so furious, in became pink!

    June 25, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  4. Joe

    The arrogance of the US Government will lead us to a Global mess, but that was how the Nazis where stopped.

    June 25, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  5. MichaelK

    US Should stop digging into other peoples nose first. Look into yours first and then others. The longer they poke their filthy nose the harder it will hurt ..slowly but steadily in the long run.

    June 25, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Reply
  6. Julian Assange

    Even Al-Qaeda terrorists fill forms better than the once powerful United States of America...
    What a JOKE!

    June 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Reply
  7. HK Chinese

    Exact copy of the official response from the government of Hong Kong S.A.R.

    No delay in Snowden case: SJ June 25, 2013 HK time

    Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen has refuted claims that the Hong Kong Government deliberately delayed or obstructed extradition procedures in relation to Edward Snowden.

    Mr Yuen told the media today that to issue a provisional warrant of arrest, the alleged offences would have to satisfy the dual criminality requirement under Hong Kong law. The Government has acted in full accordance with both the Fugitive Offenders Ordinance and the extradition treaty signed with the US in 1996, he said.

    Hong Kong's Department of Justice wrote to the US Department of Justice on June 20 and 21, seeking clarification of certain legal and evidential matters, including Mr Snowden's full name and passport number, details on the charges, and what evidence would be relied on for prosecution. He said without this requested information, the department was unable to determine whether the charges fell within the scope of the extradition agreement.

    It also sought clarification on whether US government agencies have hacked into Hong Kong computer systems as reported in the media, as this will affect the department’s consideration of whether the allegations against Mr Snowden are of a political nature, he said.

    As US authorities still have not replied to requests for further information and clarification, the Hong Kong Government had no legal basis to ask the court to issue an arrest warrant, nor to stop Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong, he said.

    When asked whether the Government had asked for the Central Government’s opinion in handling the matter, Mr Yuen said normal communication with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ office in Hong Kong has been maintained, but legal decisions are made by the department itself in strict accordance with the law.

    Source: http://www.news.gov.hk/en/categories/law_order/html/2013/06/20130625_175835.shtml?pickList=topstories

    June 25, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Reply
  8. Владимир

    Snowden has shown that there should not be in democratic country. No democratic country in the world is not arbitrary such surveillance of foreigners and especially for their own citizens. U.S. fears someone much more than anyone in the world?

    June 25, 2013 at 11:41 am | Reply
  9. Marc

    Now I wonder how people would think when they sing the part of the anthem that says "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

    The Land is no longer Free, and the Brave one does not want to come home.

    June 25, 2013 at 10:40 am | Reply
  10. jeng

    If USA submit the request in Chinese, this kind of mistake would have been avoided. It is only USA to blame.

    June 25, 2013 at 10:20 am | Reply
  11. Mark

    From Hong Kong’s justice secretary said on today, Tuesday the United States had failed to provide crucial information necessary to support its request for the arrest of whistle-blower Edward Snowden before he had left the city.

    The missing information included things as basic as a confirmation of Snowden’s full name and passport number etc.

    June 25, 2013 at 10:07 am | Reply
    • Dontbefoolish

      In addition to wrong name and missing passport number, the US government chose to ignore the HKSAR government's enquiry whether any law enforcement body of the US government has hacked any computer in HK. HKSAR government made it very clear that if US has hacked the HKSAR computers, Snowden will not be classified as criminal under HK law, and he will be considered as a dissident.

      US seems to choose this important point, and is now talking about retaliation!

      June 25, 2013 at 10:54 am | Reply
  12. Richard

    It is pathetic for the US Govt. to expect HK Govt. to arrest Snowden, after the whole world knows that the US had conducted a covert operation that infringed the privacy of many countries and their peoples. Perhaps, even this comment is monitored and analysed. Come on be practical as, if you don't, you will never be able to get anything done from other victimized countries, unless you use your military power!

    June 25, 2013 at 8:21 am | Reply
  13. Central Finger Up

    US Gov did not provide correct name and passport no. of Mr. Snowden.

    Basic information require to issue a warrant.

    Bureaucrat don't know how to do a simple job.

    June 25, 2013 at 7:43 am | Reply
  14. joe c

    US government blunbered when it outsourced this type of work. they are responsible, our 8% approved congress is totally responsible and should hang for this just like they should hang for the lies of WMD, borrowing money from china and taking blood money from the jewish parasites called AIPAC

    June 25, 2013 at 7:11 am | Reply
    • StanCalif

      Agree!! Our Congress is controlled by Jews, so is Hollywood. What do we expect?

      June 25, 2013 at 7:28 am | Reply
  15. VMR

    It is ridiculous to discuss about a traitor like Snowden. He put many lives in risk and negotiating a better price for everything stolen from US. If Snowden interested in justice, he should have gone to US media and should have hidden in a place in USA. After all, USA authorities would kill him for exercising his right rather he may turn into a hero after some time like King, Jefferson, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi etc. I believe he is a traitor and opportunist.

    June 25, 2013 at 6:51 am | Reply
    • StanCalif

      Snowden should be regarded as a hero, not a traitor. The real traitors are our "elected congressional representatives" who supposedly knew about this for many years!
      Our stupid leader, GWB, chose to make Iraq pay for 911 when it was really a Saudi scheme! Sadaam was a fierce opponent to Iran, now, the "democraticaly elected" government of Iraq is best friends with Iran (not the US)!
      MISSION ACCOMPLIHED!!!!

      June 25, 2013 at 7:41 am | Reply
    • cassius

      we should put up a 10 million$ price on his head, dead or alive. some industrious young lad would extradite him for us..Maybe even the people that really run russia, the russian mafia

      June 25, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Reply
  16. StanCalif

    US foreign policy has been disaster for decades! Our policy has been to "buy" friends and allies. Those who we believe to be our "friends" are quick to turn on us. Listen people, the US government has NO friends – not abroad, not even here at home! Our political "leaders" just don't get it!
    Name one country (we have been involved with) that is a true friend and ally today. NONE!
    Iraq is now Iran's friend. Afghanisan is run by the world's biggest crook. Does Pakistan love us? Is Egypt now a better friend? Libya? Somalia? Any South American county, name one! Russia (we had a chance, but blew it), China?
    We have NO friends anymore. We are on our own and should be investing in our own country. Decades of neglect here at home is now coming to haunt us!

    June 25, 2013 at 6:51 am | Reply
    • StanCalif

      When GWB declared "Misson Accomplished" this was a bigger lie than when he sent Colin Powell to speak to the UN about Iraq's WMD's. Sure, GW bombed the country of Iraq with his "Shock and Awe", assuming that the people of Iraq would love us for ending Sadaam's rule. Stupid George had no plan what to do next. He was only listening to Dick Cheney about all the oil we would get! "Mission Accomplished" was not even deivered on Iraqi soil, but on aircraft carrier at sea! The "conquerior" could not step foot on the soil he claimed!

      June 25, 2013 at 7:16 am | Reply
    • Владимир

      In politics there are no friends at all. But if peoples retain the ability to think clearly and do not lose their moral values, among such peoples possible friendship. Then politics do not matter. The policy itself altered by the action of the public consciousness.Most people understand that the American people is not to blame for the actions of their government, it is the fate of all nations, where the government does not depend on the will of the people, but from will of the bankers.

      June 25, 2013 at 10:15 am | Reply
  17. J. Reyes

    First, I am not sure I should post here. They checked and spy on my computer!!! Haha! Fear not, they can't even catch a Snowden! USA is a totalitarian state and America thinks it can control the world with its president as the dictator of the world. OMG!

    USA should apologize to China and continuing to give itself (USA) a tight slap. Fortunately, we have people like Edward Snowden or people outside of the US will think that the US is a land full of crooks and hypocrites. It is the government and the political system rotten and corrupt to the core.

    Americans should not be swayed by the propaganda of the US FBI and CIA, the most evil machinery in the world. If the US continues to run itself this way, it will continue to decline. Snowden is a hero! Well done, Snowden!

    June 25, 2013 at 5:26 am | Reply
  18. clara

    I do not know US laws, but didnt snowden have the responsibility to protest against spying on millions of citizens all over the world and reject to do it? Or is it really legal in US to spy on everyone in the world, hoping to find a terrorist stupid enough to tweet "lets do it"? I guess I should use Tor, VPN etc... not because of evil countries like north korea, but because of US?! Sadly, even after this, it will continue and other countries will do it too. So from now on, I will have to write some more greetings under every mail...

    June 25, 2013 at 4:07 am | Reply
  19. Michael

    YES WE SCAN. US is no-longer a safe and good government. This will surely one day lead to its own downfall.

    June 25, 2013 at 4:01 am | Reply
  20. John

    You know, China and Russia are obviously doing this to thumb their noses at the yanks, but strangely they are actually doing the right thing.

    Snowden is a whistleblower, not a spy. The US Government should act with more decorum.

    June 25, 2013 at 2:52 am | Reply
    • Amanda Lynn Case

      Well, like it or not, right or wrong, his actions are treasonous, particularly offering and sharing our intelligence strategies with China and who knows what other countries. He may be a whistle blower but...he has now put our national security ar risk. He could have and actually was...a legitimate whistle blower until...he shared information with China. China has absolutely nothing to do with the point Snowden was trying to make unless of course...he supports China over the US.

      June 25, 2013 at 3:24 am | Reply
      • AM

        What exactly did he tell the Chinese or Russians? Where did you get your information from?

        June 25, 2013 at 3:55 am |
      • James

        AM
        Republicans dont need facts they just spew whatever they hear from other non-informed people they speak with. They are like parrots. Remember Iraq was also responsible for 911

        June 25, 2013 at 4:11 am |
    • James

      Yes sort of like the US thumbing their nose when the rest of the world did not want to go to war in iraq. Why should any country do waht the US wants? He is a hero and should be protected from other countries as well as people of US. He did you a favor

      June 25, 2013 at 3:50 am | Reply
    • Stephan

      I don’t like to talk about politics but in the Snowden case,
      the US Government is really acting like a little baby or offended child.
      The problem is that many officials in the US have no idea about China and Hong Kong S.A.R.
      and how it works !!! Now the President’s spokesman is blaming Beijing that Hong Kong S.A.R.
      let Snowden leave the territory. This is very ignorant !!!
      Those guys should know that Beijing is not interferring directly on matters of Hong Kong sub-authorities
      like the Immigration department which is subordinated to the Hong Kong Government !!!
      So there is no way whatsoever to blame Beijing in this issue and make a big fuss and create diplomatic tension !!!
      Probably it is a good idea that US top govenment officials take a look at the current political regulation between mainland China and the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and learn at least the basics...

      June 25, 2013 at 4:15 am | Reply
      • James

        But that is americas strong point: not understanding other countries, making things up they want to believe, selling it to the stupid masses and then invade the country.

        June 25, 2013 at 4:18 am |
  21. SWEJ

    We don't get cooperation from either China or Russia so what is there to lose? Obviously, the NSA's programs didn't do much good in this instance and brings to question whether the vast intrusion and expense is even worth the it?

    June 25, 2013 at 2:25 am | Reply
  22. Pixie Dust

    Okay, so the US government stops 'spying' on people within and out of the nation. Tell me how are they then meant to track terrorist activities? Satellite pics? Next you all will be saying, ahhh google earth is a violation of our privacy! There was a big cry as to why 9/11 plans were not discovered earlier. Well hopefully with all these new measures put in place such heinous attacks will be stopped. If you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

    June 25, 2013 at 1:31 am | Reply
    • Naresh

      So where does one draw the line ? Agreeing that it is essential for security, why cannot the government openly say beforehand that it is going to take such a step instead of explaining afterwards ?

      June 25, 2013 at 3:19 am | Reply
    • Amanda Lynn Case

      Point well made. Also, don't ever forget, the 9// plans were made available to the President in advance of the attack. He chose to ignore the intelligence information.

      June 25, 2013 at 3:26 am | Reply
    • James

      Here is an Idea. Stop trying to play world police and other people want care about the US. Look at your world politics, you have created more terrorist than you have killed. Why should other countries sit back and watch you wage war on the world and do nothing?

      June 25, 2013 at 3:53 am | Reply
  23. lewtronix

    Privacy and bandwidth are inversely proportional relationships. National security and faster internet is the soup of the day. This is a hard pill to swallow but that’s where we are as a connected society. It’s incredible, 100 million internet junkies in the US alone. The minds of those who cannot unplug will be controlled by their Governments and evil spirits. This is the FORWARD moving CHANGE you can believe in! Everything is proceeding according to plan. Thanks Edward.

    June 25, 2013 at 1:20 am | Reply
  24. Nobama

    best. news. cycle. ever!

    June 25, 2013 at 1:18 am | Reply
  25. Zoglet

    In fairnessto HK, itsnot like the US are known for admiting their mistakes now is it?

    June 25, 2013 at 12:38 am | Reply
  26. Adman

    WHY DO COUNTRIES SPY ON THE ENEMY. IT IS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. WHY IS SPYING DESPISED.? BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE MORE ENEMITY WHEN DISCOVERED. THEREFORE IT IS CLANDESTINELY DONE. THE PERIL IS IT GENERATES DISTRUST AND DISDAIN OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING SPIED UPON.

    When Government spies on its own people, what do the people think? They think they are becoming the enemies of the Govt that's why Govt is spying on them. Or, they are enraged... how dare the Govt they elected mine their data and emails and record their phone conversations without their consent? Its invasion of their privacies.

    Who are the leaders that want Govt whistle blowers in chains? Let them come out of the woodwork and let the public see them defaced. Let the public mine their data and record all their phone conversations and emails all under the name of their SECURITY!

    If the Government propaganda is that they are doing all the data mining and phone recording for our security, WHY IS IT MAKING THE PUBLIC FEEL MORE INSECURE?

    Our leaders like Chuck Schumer, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Obama are among those that do not understand that when you spy on one another, there is no blessing in it. The one thing it surely builds is PUBLIC DISTRUST.

    There are lot of ugly old school Congressmen that need to retire and let the new generation take over to do a better job.
    Heads must roll in Congress, their evil defaced and their policies overhauled. If not US is soon gonna become the enemy of most of the world. One billion Chinese whose phone texts are US mined already to not have a high opinion of US. The several hundred million US citizens are developing similar thoughts. The best way to collapse this country from within is to spy on its own citizens 24/7. Hats off to NSA!. You did a fine job!. Now get the #@#ck out.

    June 25, 2013 at 12:32 am | Reply
  27. Jason Glugla

    We should thank our dear friends in China by boosting up their most favored nation trade status to we will bend over and you can stick it in trade status.

    June 24, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Reply
  28. Wladimir

    For the government of the country, which declares in the world the principles of freedom and democracy, such an action is unacceptable. These actions are clearly excessive in nature and can only speculate about the true purpose of such control. Signs of total control over the citizens.

    June 24, 2013 at 11:40 pm | Reply
    • onemore fakefbpage

      Pursuing someone who appears to have broken the law seems to be the right action.

      June 24, 2013 at 11:46 pm | Reply
      • Wladimir

        appears to have...? or you are sure that he had violated the law? What is main, principle of freedom or a law about control? If the law is main, so must to say: we can't to be free, we can't have full democracy, we must control anyone to be in safety. It will the truth, but they don't want say the truth, in it is problem.

        June 25, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  29. Paris

    The world has enough of American arrogance. US doesn't honor international law and wants other countries to be subject of US law. American government is owned by big corporations, including media who brainwash ordinary citizens. I hope Snowden will safely land in some country that respects human rights. US has a long history of violating human rights and international law.

    June 24, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Reply
    • kwang leong wen

      Wait till you see China's and Russian arrogance. Do not be too quick to judge the United States.We are all benefactors of US power.

      June 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Reply
      • Wladimir

        Do not wait, check it ou nowt. Show us the arrogance of Russia or China now . Dissatisfaction with the arrogance of Americans in many countries do have, but most people realize that the policy makes the establishment, ordinary citizens are not to blame.

        June 25, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • Zach

      "I hope Snowden will safely land in some country that respects human rights." Such as?

      June 24, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Reply
    • .

      Arrogance ? . . . Coming from France ? (Paris) LoL

      June 24, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Reply
    • woodie

      Well if you trust Russia or China with your future, good luck.

      June 25, 2013 at 12:24 am | Reply
  30. wendy

    Great! Now he runs to the embrace of Russians. I am sure he will be treated real nice before he gushes out everything he knows.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Reply
  31. rich dix

    The quick and dirty way to deal with China is to repatriate all the Chinese students in U.S. colleges and make room for American students.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Reply
    • triple coks

      then you will loose a lot of money from them and go back to eat your ass

      June 24, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Reply
    • Adman

      Dick, they will also pull out all the money they pay the colleges and the donations they have to make to be there . Colleges thrive on income from foreign students. You take the Chinese equation away, they will raise your college fee to fill in their deficit.

      June 25, 2013 at 12:07 am | Reply
  32. david

    I support my country and my government. theres nothing in my life that their interested in. they would have to hire a hundred million americans or more to read our emails or listen in on our phone calls. people get a grip. your coming across to the rest of the world like idiots. turn your angry the other way out side of our borders there are a lot of people that want you your mom and your babies dead.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Reply
    • skullaria

      I don't think some people understand that the data collection is automated. No one sits there and listens to you in real time most likely. The problem is they can input your name or other ID'ing information, and pull up EVERYTHING you've ever done...where you go..who you talk to...websites you visit..ad NAUSEUM

      June 24, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Reply
      • dave

        You still miss my point theres nothing in my life that the government is interested in. they want the osamas

        June 25, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • Bob Brown

      You should be ashamed of yourself! Americans have fought and died to preserve "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures..." You would sign it away because of the tiny chance that someone would hurt you? For shame!

      Americans do not knuckle under to terrorists.

      June 24, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Reply
      • CraigRB

        Unfortunately, they've "fought and died" so corporations can make more money....ie: Cheney and Halliburton.

        June 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
  33. a-different-take

    The administration fumbled the ball here. NSA allegedly hacked into communications of HK officials and computer systems in China and you think they will hand you Snowden? If they really want to play hardball, China can charge Snowden with espionage as part of an organization trying to gain unauthorized access to state secrets. Even worst, HK can charge Snowden for violating the privacy act, or as a material witness in such alleged hacking, and all the details of the alleged NSA hackings will be exposed in front of a court. By letting Snowden leave and wash their hands of this mess, HK and China is doing the Obama administration a big favor.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Reply
    • CraigRB

      No one has fumbled anything. More will be revealed.....and this will no doubt have a big surprise ending.

      June 24, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Reply
  34. Mike

    What a sad state this country is in. I can't believe people are standing for this. God knows what PRISM will look like in 50+ years and where that will take this country. Your kids will ask you why YOU didn't put a stop to this when you had the chance.

    June 24, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Ben

      Thank you. Our basic rights as citizens of a free country are being called into question, with the NSA having the final word. Most Americans–their online privacy and overall privacy won't even be looked at. But someone with monetary or potentially political power–those individuals could be easily "influenced" by groups like the NSA. This is very concerning indeed.

      June 24, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Reply
    • Mike

      Your kids will think it's normal for the government to see all their emails, hear all their voice communications, and know all about what they do online and offline.

      June 24, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Reply
    • Walter Euler, Sr.

      Mike: Right on! This Government today is criminal in several areas. Let us not forget the police State that existed in what was previously 'East Germany' with it's "STASI"-system. I can't believe what is happening today in this Country. So many people seem to be so ignorant and not follow up on what damage is being done to our established laws.Besides, our Presidents seem to delight in adding more and more so called 'Executive orders' that sidestep all rules and laws, without being called on them. I feel sorry for future generations when they find themselves in bondage.

      June 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Reply
  35. Buddhu

    Modus Operandi of the government of the United States of America - let's bungle what WE have to do and then divert blame to others. Incompetent imbeciles........and in this case, I am so glad they are!

    June 24, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Reply
  36. Adman

    Voices of anger and power like Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham who want Snowden in chains... must first consent to us to secretly mine their data and record all their phone conversations and emails. We will be doing it in the name of their security... of course! Self righteous bigots, that's what Congress members have become!!. The ides of serving the people and their interests take a backstage to their own.

    Its time some heads roll in Congress and Govt gets overhauled for the people... not for a few in power. From foreign policy to closure of human right abuses in Guantanamo... a lot needs overhaul. America will become the enemy of most of the world if it does not set right its course and make amends. Since when did the American people become the enemy of the Govt?

    June 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Reply
    • Gary

      Roger that!!

      June 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Reply
  37. George Patton-2

    let's boycott all dollar stores.

    June 24, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Reply
  38. George Patton

    Obama, do you trust Chinese !!!!!!!

    June 24, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Reply
    • Maha

      It's not fair to blame China. Yes, the U.S. has an extradition treaty with China, but Snowden wasn't in China, he was in Hong Kong which is a special administration region. Hong Kong does their own thing and have their own rules. Hong Kong is run like a democracy. The newspapers print whatever they want and the people can have protests, unlike mainland China.

      June 24, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Reply
  39. Ibrahim George

    USA is no longer protecting it Amendments
    Under Obama and his Muslim Brother Hood Advisers it is only a case for Sharia Law to come to USA

    When a debate comes next time US citizens will cite all these cases to say Sharia is just the same. No Freedom

    June 24, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Reply
    • Walter Euler, Sr.

      Don't forget Obama's connection with the 'ACORN' Society, or his early boyhood studies of Marxism. He was brought up as a communist . Why would he have changed after becoming President? Ducksoup for him .

      June 24, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  40. huskee

    Watch this escalate into a war with China AND North Korea. Little things snowball into big things.

    June 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      I doubt China and North Korea. It's more like Russia and Cuba. Russia will finally get mad enough and when we intercept the Cuban plan, train, or rowboat he's on, Cuba will, since they've already invaded Florida, take Georgia or Alabama and maybe Mississippi. It seems that the government is already backed into a corner now that the American people already know too much (because other governments already knew what was happening-they're not stupid), it's making a bad situation even worse by blaming the entire planet for it's own overreach in authority.

      June 24, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Reply
  41. insidejob666

    If this country does restore my rights to warrantless collection of my content in emails and voicemail from data servers of service providers I will seek to renounce my citizenship. It's really that simple. Who would want the State to exercise limitless authority to collect my content in violation of the fourth amendments right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure? I don't want to be part of a State that exercises that much authority over it's citizens individual rights. I served in the Armed Forces to ensure these freedoms and I will gladly sacrifice my life to preserve them.

    June 24, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Reply
    • TJ

      Ah, well, since they can only collect data (and right now it's only meta data, they need a warrant for your emails less than a few months old) that YOU send out into the world by running off at the keyboard or failing to shut your howling yap on the phone, I fail to see what you're so indignant about.

      If you find a country that will take you, the IRS or the US embassy will gladly help you renounce your citizenship there buckaroo! You probably won't be missed.

      June 25, 2013 at 1:28 am | Reply
      • James Clarkson

        I wish it were so easy to get rid of US citizenship. American citizenship is one of the hardest in the world to get rid of. I have a friend who is 'deemed' a US citizen only because she was born in the US while her parents were on temporary employment in the US office of their employer. The IRS wants to tax her on her worldwide income even though she has never been to the US since she was two years old and has never had a US passport. No one believes her but it is true, look it up online! Once the federal government deems you to be a US citizen it is a curse seemingly impossible to get rid of.

        June 25, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • Amanda Lynn Case

      And when you were serving your country to protect our rights, did you not realize then that our intelligence operations cross the line...all the time, even then?

      June 25, 2013 at 3:30 am | Reply

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