Russia asked U.S. twice to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev, official says
April 24th, 2013
07:15 PM ET

Russia asked U.S. twice to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev, official says

By Joe Johns, Barbara Starr, Gloria Borger and Carol Cratty

Months after the FBI cleared Tamerlan Tsarnaev in its investigation of possible connections to jihadist causes, the Russians approached the CIA as well to look into him, CNN has learned.

But what was provided by the Russians in late September 2011 was "basically the same" information that had been given the previous March to the FBI, according to a government official.

The source said the communication was a "warning letter" sent to the CIA.

Tsarnaev, 26, suspected along with his younger brother of bombing the Boston Marathon early last week, died on Friday following a violent confrontation with police.

A law enforcement official said the CIA knew the FBI had done an assessment of the elder Tsarnaev, and the intelligence community seemed satisfied.

The FBI concluded its investigation in June 2011.

At the request of the CIA, information about Tsarnaev was included in the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list, otherwise known as TIDE, which is maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center, CNN has learned.

The list of more than 500,000 names of known or suspected foreign and domestic terrorists contains detailed, raw intelligence.

The Russians provided information that included "two possible dates of birth, his name and a possible name variant as well," the intelligence official added.

The amount of information the Russians provided is at the center of a critical look at whether the government missed signals of a man described as emerging jihadist who may have been further radicalized overseas.

"We just had a young person who went to Russia, Chechnya, who blew people up in Boston. So he didn't stay where he went, but he learned something where he went and he came back with a willingness to kill people," Secretary of State John Kerry observed on Tuesday.

The FBI investigated Tsarnaev based on the initial information from the Russians before concluding he was not a threat.

A senior U.S. official with direct knowledge of the information says "the issue with Russia is that the initial information was extremely thin."

The Russians believed he was "becoming radicalized."

"There were no details, no examples, no threads to pull," the source said. "Because of the rather light nature of the information we did go back to them and asked can you tell us more. We never heard back."

"They did not give a case report back when the United States inquired," said another source with knowledge of the investigation.

Officials have said that the FBI investigation went as far as it could based on the vague information.

"I think we did everything within our legal authority to vet this individual. When all was said and done there was nothing to link him to terrorism," a law enforcement official said.

What pinged the Russian interest?

The United States still doesn't know everything. But the senior U.S. official says the American intelligence community, including the FBI, is well aware the Russian security service monitors websites and online postings of particular militant websites.

"We know the Russians had to see something to make these claims," said the senior U.S. official.

The Russians have not told the United States whether they did any surveillance on Tamerlan while he was in Russia for six months in 2012, but the law enforcement official would not doubt the Russians kept tabs on Tsarneav.

If they did, according to the law enforcement official, the Russians never came back to the FBI and said so and didn't provide any additional incriminating information about him.

If the Russians held back information, it wouldn't be surprising, said a source familiar with the intelligence process and the flow of information.

The Russians are generally "more formal, more irregular" in providing this kind of information to us.

"'There's still a lot of suspicion" between U.S. and Russian intelligence operatives, the source said. "I am not sure they would share their source information with us."

The FBI is under very strict legal guidelines and standards when investigating Americans or persons on American soil. The standards are carefully scrutinized.

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  1. Professor

    So many idiots in these comments. Try to imagine the outcry if President BUSH had ignored a SPECIFIC threat against a SPECIFIC person provided by a powerful foreign intelligence organization that is ALSO fighting Islamic lunatics. Remember the PDB and the liberal hysterics about the NON-SPECIFIC memo: 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack in U.S?' I do! Democrats would have had a cow. They would have impeached Bush.

    The U.S. could have EASILY tapped this guys lines through FISA and even federal court. They could have thrown him out of the country- and should have!!!! This is what we call a "credible tip." You can get a warrant if a Neighbor calls! Surely you can get a LOT more if a foreign intelligence agency calls- twice!

    ANY Republican would be impeached for this. Add in the cowardice in Benghazi and even the other party would go along with impeachment. Where is 'connect the dots?' Where is the criticism of a President on vacation while terrorists get into the country? What did the President know about Islamic infiltration in the United States and WHEN did he know it? Why are they letting every person who can swim, skip, or dig under the border become citizens.

    April 29, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Reply
    • Alex279

      So what is your point?

      Russians did wiretap home phone of Zubeidad Tsarnayeva (mother) in Makhachkala, Dagestan, back in 2011.

      They recorded conversations of Tamerlan with his mother at that time, which they found disturbing and extremist on the Tamerlan side and alerted US authorities. Perhaps they had some other information obtained by operative means (e.g., agents implanted into Mosque where all these people go), but in any case it was something more substantial than posting videos on youtube (besides, these videos are not of Tamerlan's own making; they are posted in many places and can be downloaded from the Internet);

      It is not clear what exactly motivated Russian to wiretap the family home phone. They clearly do not have resources to monitor every phone in the area only because a person is of Islamic faith and is known to go to a Mosque which is known to be a place where some extremists were known to show up.

      It is not known what kind of material exactly they provided to FBI back in 2011.

      It is acknowledged that copies of wiretaps of two conversations were given to US, but I have impression from the careful wording in the news reports that these copies were provided to US only AFTER Boston bombing. This is understandable, because I believe that FSB initial interest was motivated by the fact that the family got a very strange political asylum in US back in 2002 - normally the places where a person lived before truing to immigrate to US are well scrutinized looked at by INS or Homeland Security. These people were not in danger, perhaps just looking for better life in US. Yet they returned back while children left behind. Disgruntled immigrants not able to integrate into American life? May be. Or may be something else? Uncle Ruslan, a close relative, is an interesting person too. He is known to be in Kazakstan working for USAID back in late 199x. Whatever caused their initial interest to this family, one thing is clear: Russians did not have an obligation to provide in fullness everything they knew to US back in 2011. Perhaps they even suspected some play by CIA at that time. I doubt that they even admit wiretaping at that time. Today, after the fact is a different story: they are fully cooperating.

      So most likely back in 2011 they said "we have information" and asked to "check it out" without opening their cards.

      Now comes the question:

      What does it mean to interview a suspect?

      Literally, come to Tamerlan empty-handed and ask: Are you militant Jihadist planning terrorist act on US soil? The answer is: No, I am a law-abiding immigrant hoping to become US Citizen one day. Then FBI said OK, there is no evidence, case closed.

      Or what?

      April 29, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Reply
  2. Alex279

    FSB is primarily a counterintelligence organization. It is neither counterpart of CIA, nor counterpart of FBI, nor both of them combined. Contrary to popular belief, FSB has nothing to do with foreign intelligence (unlike CIA). FSB scope of its responsibilities includes border control, counter-terrorism, and... yes... figuring out and neutralizing the very same agents CIA and others alike are training and trying to implant. So their relationships are, to say it politely, adversarial by the very nature.

    Oh, yea... I forgot to mention, FSB is secretive organization as well.

    April 29, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  3. Matt

    Lets not forget a sleeper cell was busted a few years ago which was trying to infiltrate the US Government. So in relation to intelligence sharing. This investigation will take sometime and have a wide scope. At both the FBI and the CIA before any answers are given. I understand the Hill wants quick answers on this one, people are talking about an intelligence failing. It cannot be discounted at this stage that the FBI and CIA have been set up.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:11 am | Reply
  4. Alex279

    Today it was revealed that Russian FSB did wiretap the home phone of Zubeidat Tsarnayeva (mother of the bombers) in Makhachkala back in 2011 and shared some of the material with FBI, incl. conversations with Tamerlan.

    April 27, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  5. Yuck

    I think Russia is up too no good.

    April 27, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Reply
  6. Pete

    And I ask Russia why didn't they when he went overseas sometimes to Russia as well to visit relatives...Putin ,Russia obviously thinking better America than us in Russia when they bombed innocents ay Bostons marathon...Something Russia knows but won't say what in both brothers as well as their families past history..This family escaping to America as refugees of war torn Chechnya and now it seems they go back and forth overseas as if vacationing,something fishy if they were really escaping or is it a terrorist cover to get them stateside as to assimilate Chechnyan refugees here and are possibly Russian terrorists relocating here to organize a terrorist cell ..Anything in this time and space is possible,just watch tv some time...

    April 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Reply
    • Alex279

      The family actually never lived in Chechnya during the 1994-1996 war period and cannot be be considered as refugees from that war.

      Dzhokhar Tsarnayev was born on July 22, 1993 in the city of Makhachkala, Dagestan. This fact solidly places the family outside Chechnya. It is also known that Tamerlan applied for internal Russian passport in 2001 in Makhachkala police, and then in 2012 again during his visit, and again in Makhachkala. His parents live in Makhachala since returning from US back to Russia. It is also known that they lived for 5 years in Kyrgyzstan during the late 199x - beginning of 200x before moving back to Makhachala. Which means that they were nowhere close Chechnya during the second war.

      So it remains a mystery what did they claim as the reason for political asylum in 2002. But they were neither refugees from war, nor had some issues with Russian Government: they were moving back and forth apparently without problems.

      April 26, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Reply
      • Pete

        @Alex279,but those were the first facts supposidly about these two brothers that's why I think the way I posted about maybe Russias involvement..Remember Russia is still smarting from that war in Afghanistan that we were silently involved in supplying weapons,advisors in the 80s to afghan rebels and after losing to them with Russia going home with their tails between their legs after over 10 years they still would like nothing better than to get even with America just for that reason if nothing else..Remember Putin is egotistical and getting back at America would make him ,Russia proud!!

        April 27, 2013 at 11:37 am |
      • Alex279

        Complete rubbish. At first, Russia did not withdraw from Afghanistan with tails between the legs back on February 1989. Technically it was a victory of "mission accomplished" type: Russia/Soviet Union had installed a friendly government of Dr. Najibullah which remain in power until late 1992; Taliban managed to capture Kabul only in 1996. Najibullah was killed that time. Soviet Union and Gorbachev lasted less than Najibullah's government. After 1990 Russia completely cut any support to Afghanistan; in contrast mojaheeddin and laterTaliban were heavily supported by US, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

        Yes, Russia is de-facto beneficiary of this Boston bombing in the sense that Putin got yet another opportunity to say "I told you so". But so what? Russia/Putin/FSB have nothing to do with organizing it.

        Besides going this direction - the "who is to benefit?" logic - you quickly arrive to a more dramatic conclusion:

        Without any hesitation whatsoever at all, Russia is de facto number one beneficiary of Sept. 11 attack. Because if you happened to remember the rhetoric of George W, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Deusch during the period of January 20, 2001 to Sept. 11, 2001, then you have no choice that to conclude that Russia in number one beneficiary because Sept 11 terminated this trash talking in an instant. Russia was left alone for 10 years. Russia used this break first to sort out its own Chechen war, then to get economy going. It is only now Obama is back to his missile defense agenda. Bush was too crippled to push it. Yet, Russia/Putin/FSB have nothing to do with Sept 11.

        Conspiracy theories are usually product of smocking controlled substances.

        Right now this Boston bombing is 100% American problem and American pain. Putin may offer some help in investigating it, but a a matter of courtesy and good will. Russia has no obligation to do so.

        Personally I believe that Dept. of State and Dept. of Homeland Security are the ones to blame. The former is for dubious foreign policies which serve God-knows-whos interests, the latter for grantin dubious political asylum for people who were (i) not in danger of any kind, i.e., war, persecution, etc...; and (ii) hand no capacity to integrate into American society and become productive members of it. If fact they become loosers who ended up watching too much TV and Internet.

        Contrary to most on this forum I do not blame FBI. They seem to have done all reasonable steps.

        I praise Boston police for courage which obviously goes way beyond their service duty. They had all moral rights to shot the mad dogs right at the spot, yet they tried to capture both them alive, and therefore exposing themselves to enormous risks.

        I say nothing about CIA.

        I express thanks to Russian FSB for gestures of good will going beyond their direct duties.

        April 27, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
      • Pete

        @Alex279,Russia was losing more against the afghan rebels than we are now and it wasn't mission accomplished,strictly economics... It was purely because if you realize the time frame in the 80s Russia in other words was going broke because of it and their missile race to supremacy against Reagan,US and back then these two pet projects were breaking Russias piggy bank..Reagan was cutting over 70% from our nations discretionary spending to spend more on building ICBMs as well as lying to the public nationwide saying we were losing the missile race well after Russia dropped out..Reagans ICBM missile race almost broke us as well because of his maniacal plan to be king of the world at any cost,especially ours!!Just do some more research and you'll see how republicans and their ilk have almost destroyed America untold times!!

        April 29, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • Alex279

      It appears that Uncle Ruslan Tsarni [the younger of brother Anzor Trarnayev, the father of terrorists] is a very interesting person.

      Obviously he was very quick to distance himself from the family in his interview, saying that the last time he spoke with them was in December 2005, although the admitted that the two brothers grew up on his hands when they were young. For Chechen culture it is considered highly against moral (almost like a crime against nature) to not stand by his family no matter what, especially for such close relatives like brothers. So this immediately raises red flag....

      Sources say that he made a successful career as a corporate lawyer, working for companies like Halliburton, and even for USAID in Kazakstan. He was supposedly married (but divorced in 2004) to Samantha Fuller, the daughter of Graham E. Fuller, who is a well connected person to State Dept. and CIA. I do not know whether any of these facts are true or not, but these are potentially verifiable facts. If true, then it probably explains why the family who fitst entered United States on tourists visas 2002 then got political asylum with ease without going being scrutinized as any other immigrants.

      April 27, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  7. jonny

    Stop buying oil from countrys that support and finance terrorism. (saudi araiba ) They are probably the biggest financial supporters of this all over the world.

    April 26, 2013 at 9:11 am | Reply
  8. YaValioCacaWates

    I can't find any of the ammo I need a Walmart. These killers didn't have any trouble finding everything they needed. Seems like the bad guys always have all the luck.

    April 25, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Reply
  9. DrTom

    It would be interesting to know if the Waltham police investigated the victims' good friends and if they or the FBI checked to see if any of them were on a watch list – apparently either the Waltham police or the FBI, as well as the CIA, screwed up in Sept 2011.

    April 25, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Reply
  10. NorCalMojo

    FBI really screwed the pooch on this one.

    At least they've kept us safe from those hordes of evil white surpremacists they're always obsessing over. I haven't read about any actual attacks by white supremacists, but the FBI has kept telling us they're the biggest threat.

    I guess chasing bubbas through trailerparks is more important than stopping Islamic terror.

    April 25, 2013 at 11:48 am | Reply
    • DrTom

      Well we do have to remember that of the million or so people murdered in the last 20 years only about 3500 have been killed by terrorists, most of them on 9/11.

      April 25, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Reply
      • Hahahahahahahha

        You mean the CIA are terrorists. Hahahahahahaahha

        April 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • michaelw777

      To me the takeaway from what you said is that the FBI has its hands full trying to monitor all the potential threats to public safety out there. And you shouldn't underestimate the potential for violence from radical supremacist groups in this country. They are capable and willing. That said, I consider this a major bureaucratic screwup. I could give the FBI an initial pass on not acting more forcefully with the limited info they had on the first warning – but when the Russians came to us AGAIN through the CIA, there should have been far more interest the second time around.

      April 25, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Reply
  11. DrTom

    Does the CIA databases include newspaper references? If so, maybe they should have noticed that Tamerlan's best friend and two other men (two of whom or all three were Jewish) were murdered by having their throats slit and nearly decapitated on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Money and pot were strewn over their bodies, with thousands of dollars left in the appartment. The victims knew their assailants according to the police.

    April 25, 2013 at 11:33 am | Reply
  12. John

    This is total BS. Russia informed the USA to put this guy on their watch list, but now the FBI is saying that they gave them nothing specific? The guy was a Muslim from a terrorist region with tied to al Qieda for Pete's sake. I'm retired from the government and this sounds like a government employee blame shifting and refusing to take resposibility if I've ever heard it. He simply does not want this to affect his performance appraisal and future retirement. But by giving even a generic "heads up," Russia did much for us and showed themselves to be wanting to help. The buck stops with that Federal employee... AND with freekin OBAMA.

    April 25, 2013 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • PublicDainBramage

      yeah, reminds me of Benghazi, the Mexican gun debacle, the Fed debt, the economic freefall, obamacare, etc, etc – it's always someone else's fault with this adminstration – not a single time has any stood up when something goes wrong. They are very quick to accept adulation from the hordes though....

      April 25, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Reply
  13. George

    CNN is trying to hide the fact that this is an islamic attack, following the failed obama policy of protecting islam at all costs, even if that is and will compromise the most obvious interests of the USA and of the american people.CNN gives voice only to people who LIE to reporters, too currupt and compromised to ever ask the mother, uncle, father and other muslims who kew all about these attacks, but that, to deffend islam will LIE-taqqya- even if we know they are lying. how more stupid (islamophilic)can obama dn the american authorities become?

    April 25, 2013 at 11:07 am | Reply
  14. always awaiting moderation

    A man that was not supposed to have been President, Harry Truman, said it best about the office of President."The buck stops here."

    April 25, 2013 at 10:49 am | Reply
  15. us_1776

    Putin was right.

    These Islamists are nothing but trouble.

    .

    April 25, 2013 at 10:43 am | Reply
    • always awaiting moderation

      Immigration loves everyone,a potential liberal voter is welcomed no matter what they bring.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:51 am | Reply
  16. steve

    I dont know... you are sounding kind of radical.... maybe FBI needs to drag you off to gitmo. Should be ok, you dont care about rights anyway.

    This is the type world you are proposing anyway, where anyone who acts out is immediately subject to any trial the fbi can think of. You are bringing terror TO the world my friend.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:42 am | Reply
  17. PeterD

    Why it takes Fouir Journalists to write one simple article at CNN to confuse Americans? How efficient this News Network is.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • Alex279

      Because one person would probably make a more coherent story.

      In rearity they keep writing one article after another adding only a tiny bit of new material every time, sometimes merely a speculation. There is enormous confusion, even the timeline of where did this family live starting from early 199x is not clear yet.

      But this is exactly what keeps the public agitated: if one person would make the story straight, there well be nothing to write about for all others.

      April 26, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Reply
  18. sergio193

    This is unbelievable, they have signals, but signals were not enough for them?
    Are they investigation bureau or what?
    I suggest FBI to be closed and their functions outsourced to russian FSB.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:23 am | Reply
    • D9

      Read the story again...you'll get your answer. How much and how long do you think the FBI should investigate you to determine you're not a terrorist?

      April 25, 2013 at 10:40 am | Reply
      • michaelw777

        I'll grant you that the FBI might have gone as far as they could with just the one warning with limited info. We can't just lock people up because they MIGHT do something. But when the Russians came to us again through the CIA, this should have been the reddest of the red flags. The CIA's mission is a different one, and different rules apply. It was a huge mistake to simply run to the FBI files and do nothing more. Furthermore, the Russian/American Intelligence agencies are not the best of friends as the article noted. This means the Russians were desperately trying to tell us something without compromising their own sources. They did what they could. In fact I think they did more than they needed to.

        April 25, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Fred Evil

      "This is unbelievable, they have signals, but signals were not enough for them?"
      How many signals do they check out per day? Those signals have to LEAD to something, something actionable, something of value. Part of our freedom is the unfortunate limitations that are put in place on investigative bodies like the FBI and CIA. I'd like to think they weren't incompetent, but that their hands were tied by the laws and regulations regarding how deeply they can look into someone's activities/finances etc.
      But when folks are set on a witch hunt, they don't care about the facts or laws, they want a scapegoat.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:53 am | Reply
      • michaelw777

        Maybe it's a witch hunt. Maybe we're looking for a scapegoat. Or maybe we're trying to figure out how our intelligence services failed us, learn from it and correct the problem so it's less likely to happen again. It's true that blame is rarely useful as a corrective – but uncovering a chink in our armor or a bureaucratic inter-agency failure would be very useful.

        Could we have stopped this one? It's hard to say. But it seems clear from what I've read so far that we didn't take the Russians nearly as seriously as we should have, especially when they came to us a second time.

        April 25, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
      • mcfarlas47

        Since when are the FBI/CIA limited when investigating someone who is a non-citizen?

        April 27, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • Alex279

      Or, a better solution: Abolish both CIA and FBI because they obviously failed to communicate to each other on this subject, as well as one many others before. Create a unified agency which would do both external and internal intelligence. Name it Federal Security Bureau, abbreviated as FSB.

      April 26, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Reply
  19. Tulsatime

    If the FBI and Homeland security cannot be held accountable for missing the ball here then what is the point of their jobs? All I here is whining, the Russians (not even our allies people) warned us twice, he had crazy terrorist postings on his website, he traveled to an area of terrorism for 6 months and came back into the country with a false passport. This was not a quiet guy holed up at home, he loudly proclaimed his ranting everywhere in Boston and was kicked out of his mosque twice. The FBI whined yesterday on T V that all people in this country have rights not to be looked at too closely. I say the innocent people who have lost their lives, limbs and hearing are the ones whose rights should be protected. The right of assembly by Americans to cheer their loved ones at a race without being maimed is WHY the FBI are PAID and HIRED to protect us, the Russians are NOT.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:20 am | Reply
    • Wasnt Mee

      Exactly. Hold these agencies accountable. Are these agencies any better than 9/11 where their team work plain sucked. Does it still? If anyone deserved to be on a short list; this guy was it.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • Rose

      People like you gripe about the FBI not doing enough to investigate terrorism in the US, but then you don't want Americans to be subjected to investigations by the FBI. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:40 am | Reply
    • Sidewinder

      There is no way to 100% guarantee that no terrorist event will happen any where. Not here, not in Russia, not in Norway, not Spain, not the UK. Nowhere can you be completely safe. So, once you accept that really obvious fact, lets count up the number of terrorist events in all these countries with the number of deaths, injuries, and amounts of property damage since 9/11. Guess who comes out with the least damage? The US, by far. So having established that...how bad a job is DHS really doing?

      April 25, 2013 at 11:04 am | Reply
      • michaelw777

        I agree with what you said, except for one caveat, which is that Europe is contiguous with the rest of the continent, which makes overland travel much easier than overseas travel. If say Mexico or Latin America harbored and trained terrorists, we'd have a much different scenario. If you think we'd actually do any better – then our War on Drugs would be a success, and our ability to keep illegal immigrants out would have a better track record. So yes, we have heightened security and it's been pretty successful, but saying we're actually doing a better job than Europe isn't necessarily so.

        April 25, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • Vladchan

      FBI assumed Chechens blow up Russians not Americans so they went through the motions of checking this guy and dropped the matter.

      They assumed incorrectly.

      April 25, 2013 at 11:21 am | Reply
      • Andrei

        Hah, Exactly. The enemy of your enemy is your friend right? So was the Taliban...

        April 25, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
  20. H. B.

    It's easy to blame the CIA and FBI, but that doesn't make it justified. It's easy to lay blame where the accusation can't be challenged. They investigated as best they could. They had no reason at all to want to let the guy pass when they had reason to believe he was dangerous. The subject had a green card. All the rights due to Americans were due to him. Had they taken action against the older brother with inadequate evidence, they'd be blamed for violating his civil rights. Blame, either way, seems just fine to many people, though. They asked Russia for more info and got no reply; probably because there wasn't more to give.

    They got info from Russia which was rather "thin." That isn't necessarily Russia's fault, either. Unless they knowingly withheld info that could help the Americans to learn what they needed to know, I can't blame Russia, either.

    I do have to wonder why the Russians didn't nab him when he went over there for six months.As I understand it, they were keeping tabs on him the whole time. If they were that sure he was a potential terrorist, surely they'd have removed him from circulation and he'd never have come back to the States. If they didn't, it's probably because they, too, lacked enough evidence to act on. OR, they might have preferred to leave all that to the Americans.

    Let's get something straight here about the word "radicalized" which is bandied about everywhere. Radicalizing a Muslim is convincing him that now should be his time to do violent jihad. It is NOT teaching him anything outside of the faith. It is just laying heavy emphasis on the mandate to jihad, and perhaps helping him train to get the skills needed to do it optimally. Radicalizing is STILL ISLAM. It's not something apart from it.

    It's as though we're supposed to think that radicalizing him has torn him from his faith and brainwashed him into becoming a monster. Not so.

    Muslims can say they hate terrorism, and they can even MEAN it. But it's a matter of definitions. To them, a terrorist killing for the faith is a noble Muslim doing his jihading and serving the faith. Therefore he's not a terrorist. A terrorist, to them, is someone who attacks THEM. Even if another Muslim, usually from a different sect. They don't define terrorism the way we do. So if they speak about terrorism, we have to narrow down their definition of it in order to know what they really mean. Note, too, that peace and tolerance are only for other Muslims; for us infidels, there ARE NO RULES. So definitions are important, especially when dealing with Muslims. They define freedom, rights, democracy and liberty in a way that is also opposed to our own definitions. Nor can any Muslim EVER be your true friend unless you're also a Muslim. No matter how sincere the friendship feels, it is being faked. Unless he's faking being a Muslim. He can't both be your real friend and also be a genuine Muslim. Can't. Not allowed. Also, lying to infidels is a virtue in Islalm.

    Please note that every effort is being made by government and media both, to convince us that there is SOME connection with al Qaeda to these bombers. Why is that important to them? Because we've also been manipulated into the notion that al Qaeda has no real connection with Islam, or that it's a perversion of Islam. This is also not so. It's just more loudly vocal and more activist than the average Muslim.

    The need to connect every act of Islamic terrorism to al Qaeda is vital in keeping the public convinced that Islam is peaceful and tolerant. We're supposed to believe that Islam isn't capable of engendering these "extremists" and "radicals." The only real difference between them and the average Muslim is that the extremists are acting for their faith, whereas the other Muslims of the world haven't yet decided on when, where and how they will do their personal jihading. Islam leaves it up to the individual Muslim about that, but ALL Muslims MUST do violent jihad at least once in their lifetimes or answer to Allah why they failed to do so. It isn't an option to become like these "extremists." The only option is when, where and how a given Muslim does it. The ones not acting yet are therefore waiting. But they'll be just as vicious and violent when their own time has come to jihad. Count on it.

    Is someone who believes in jihad and terrorism NOT a terrorist unless he really DOES act on it? His mindset is still as terrorism-oriented as the ones acting now. I can't hold such people as truly innocent in this situation, because their sympathies are ALL on the side of those "extremists". The only way a Muslim can avoid jihading is to quit the faith. And then hope he isn't killed by other Muslims. Any Muslim who doesn't believe in jihad isn't a Muslim. Can't be. Islam is an all-or-nothing, absolutist faith. You either buy into the whole kaboodle or you're a false Muslim or an infidel.

    In any other faith, people can "cherry pick" the parts they want to believe in and carve out of their belief the parts of scripture that are odious, like slavery, stonings, holy wars, etc. This can't be done in Islam.

    These two men killed for Islam. It doesn't matter what motivated them to stop "waiting" for their chance to jihad. The fact is that they did it. Entirely of their own free wills, and for the glory of Allah.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:17 am | Reply
    • Wasnt Mee

      Well thought out but I think your intention may be better defined by adding "it is Islam's perception" or some other words. Including them all quickly invalidates your well thought comment.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:22 am | Reply
      • always awaiting moderation

        As long as we keep making excuses for screw ups we will never quit dying.With the money and resources wasted every year by the people who are supposed to be protecting us it should be safe here. If not, run all of them out of the country that their religion tells them to kill. II do not care about some rumble the Jews and the Arabs have had for centuries.This is the modern world and it is going to take someone with some brains ,and not cult thoughts, to keep this world intact in the future.It is surprising we are living in a mystic world that is not even close to reality.

        April 25, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Getsome

      WHAT? Could you repeat that

      April 25, 2013 at 11:04 am | Reply
    • michaelw777

      Pretty well said, except that I disagree with your overall assessment of Muslims in general. EVERY faith has its extremists. There are the fanatic of any faith and there are the devout of any faith – they are essentially polar opposites. Christianity has her extremists, so do does Hinduism. So do Mormons. Nor do I mean to single those out in particular, they're just examples – pick any religion. There are indeed plenty of moderate Muslims. Human beings of any faith cannot be classified strictly along faith lines like that. It's like saying all true Christians are conservative or all true Christians are liberal. While faith may be central to many people it isn't so with all people of any faith. There are varying degrees of fervor no matter what religion they espouse. If all Muslims are truly extremist as you advocate then we would have had zero success in both Iraq and Afghanistan. But that wasn't the case, in spite of the fact that many innocent people were killed in collateral damage during those wars. There is in every war, but it still doesn't endear us to the victims. Nor could we have continued to operate there without the consent of the majority of the citizenry.

      April 25, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Reply
  21. allens

    russia gave no threads to pull? this is the fbi, a investigative agency isn't it? did russia apologize for not doing the fbi's job? this organization should be eliminated.

    April 25, 2013 at 10:08 am | Reply
  22. PeterD

    I will Do Anything for You to Save Your Rear Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    – CNN Dance Song

    April 25, 2013 at 9:45 am | Reply
  23. George Patton

    I think FBI/CIA, dropped the ball, if some good samaritan warns you that your kid is taking drug, that's is more than enough to do something. It is your job to go to the bottom of it; if your kid dies out of drug overdose, you can't just shrug shoulders and say well the information was not good enough to stop him.

    April 25, 2013 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • jim

      Your right, FBI,CIA,NSA are detectives. Go and detect.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:49 am | Reply
  24. George Patton

    The list contains only 500,000 names !!!!! that's all !!! why our government spends billions on watching 500,000, while there are close to billion out there unwatched !!!

    April 25, 2013 at 9:25 am | Reply
  25. Matthew

    I wish we had a government like the Roman Empire, here is how history would have changed:

    Iraq – Occupied, Baghdad destroyed, Iraqs enslaved. Iraq made US state with Oil production and economic growth to the US

    Afghanistan – Occupied, Kabul and Kandahar destroyed, Taliban crucified, Bin Laden executed and head displayed in Washington as trophy of victory. Al Quada arrested and destroyed. Afghanistan made Province.

    Islam – Mecca and Medina destroyed for angering the Roman Senate

    Our borders would be safe, our economy would be flourishing from our recent conquests, and our nation would be prosperous. Argue against it. Our own Human Rights and weakness is what keeps us down. Imperialism is the way to go folks and every since the West abandoned it we have weakened. US would not be as strong had we not taken California and Texas from the Mexicans or the entire West from the Native Americans.

    Nations like Rome and Mongolia knew what was up and how to handle foreign enemies.

    April 25, 2013 at 9:24 am | Reply
    • zaphed

      Be my guest go back in time and live in the roman stupid empire. Remember they crucified Jesus. You are out of it.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:38 am | Reply
      • Mo_ron

        But at the same time we don't really know if that dude was real. Oh and back your self with something scientifically proven, not the Bible.

        April 25, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Chuck

      But there would be slavery. What about those enslaved Iraqis? Why should they pay such a heavy price simply for being born in the wrong country at the wrong time?

      April 25, 2013 at 9:47 am | Reply
      • Matthew

        They took arms against our Empire. Plain and Simple. If you surrendered and did not fight, you were granted citizenship in Rome and your land prospered (see Pergamum, Thrace, and other Roman allies that were never conquered because they allied with Rome). However you stood against Rome and you were utterly destroyed (Carthage, Gaul, Corinth).

        Why allow an enemy to gain strength and become a greater threat in the future when you can defeat them now?

        April 25, 2013 at 10:01 am |
    • George

      If that is true, why the hell isn't Rome still in power?

      April 25, 2013 at 9:58 am | Reply
      • jackinbox

        They become a nation of food stamps.

        April 25, 2013 at 10:01 am |
      • Matthew

        They lasted 2000 years, America will be lucky to last 400. Also Russia and most of modern Europe is extensions of states formed by the Romans. Roman culture changed, however as Rome in 400 A.D. was not the same people as Rome in 1 A.D. America has done the same thing. Americans in 1850 are not the same as Americans in 2012.

        April 25, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • jackinbox

      I 100% agree with you. One needs to look in the mirror and say "I shall put cheese on that burger". But then we only go there to liberate their women and let their gay to marry, no wonder things turn out as they are.

      The enemy of our Russian enemy is a freedom fighter. Otherwise, the FBI may keep an eye on him, track what he is buying, require a background check when he wants that toy car remote.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:59 am | Reply
    • duper

      Where is the Roman Empire now?

      April 25, 2013 at 10:02 am | Reply
    • Ank

      It is funny you mentioned Mongolia. Tamerlan is named after the infamous Mongolian war lord.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:25 am | Reply
    • Jackie Treehorn

      And don't forget another part of Roman USA history:

      Matthew: Makes smart@$$ post insulting Emperor Obama. Gets head cut off.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:59 am | Reply
  26. John

    Stop blaming the Russians. This is your country. They already gave you multiple warnings and it is not their responsibility to give you "threads" to pull. Monitor him. Create your own threads you lazy bums.

    April 25, 2013 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • michaelw777

      I agree. The Russians came to us not once but twice. The second time was a serious red flag. They were desperately trying to tell us something. "no threads to pull" is a lame excuse. Intelligence should have recognized Russian Intelligence was unwilling or unable to give more source info, but the second warning should have been taken much more seriously than it was. This strikes me more as bureaucratic stupidity at work than a real failure of intelligence. The CIA should not have allowed the FBI info to taint their own investigation.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:29 am | Reply
  27. The_dude

    I love how CNN tries to spin every which way to cover for the most incompetent administration in USA history

    April 25, 2013 at 9:16 am | Reply
    • romoownssteveyoung

      actually thatd be previous administration...

      April 25, 2013 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • ninechars

      incompetent administration? not even close... try Bush

      April 25, 2013 at 9:28 am | Reply
    • zaphed

      i disagree, Bush is the man who started all this.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:39 am | Reply
    • Wasnt Mee

      Dude, this isn't a political agenda. No president can "oversee" these agencies. Politics divides us all and the politicians thrive on this. That's why they are welcomed into the "club" where we, as Americans support so much. Congress is a gentlemen's club don't you know. And each department is a frat club. And we sit back, support it; and then debate each other to death. Terrorism isn't a political deal for us. It's an American deal. Period.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:57 am | Reply
  28. Skeptimist

    The news media needs a better class of writers.
    Finch and Reese would have had this wrapped up in one episode.

    April 25, 2013 at 9:03 am | Reply
  29. CHuck

    So the FBI coudln't flag his passport to know if he left the country ? Would that have been to hard to do ?

    April 25, 2013 at 9:01 am | Reply
    • shades

      Everyone Obama appointed to head anything has turned out to be incompetent, Obama himself is not qualified to appoint. So what did we expect, now he has more blood on his hands, and everyone that voted for him shares it.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:05 am | Reply
      • ninechars

        how is he incompetent? just saying something dumb doesn't make it true

        April 25, 2013 at 9:29 am |
  30. Beavis

    Another stain on the Obama Administration.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:52 am | Reply
    • romoownssteveyoung

      Hey Beavis, can I ask you something? Can you tell me where your out-rage is for the 10 embassy attacks and 60 deaths at said embassy under gwb? Just wondering...To borrow a line from that disgrace of a human being sean hannity " selective moral outrage "

      April 25, 2013 at 9:01 am | Reply
      • Maxim

        Hey Romo, can I ask you something? Since when is the US responsible for attacks on the Danish or Indian Embassies? Please grow a brain. Thanks

        April 25, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      Another stain on the Obama administration? Really? You conservatives are so pathetic and shameless. First you plea for LESS GOVERNMENT and NO background checks but now you're blaming and accusing the Obama administration of not conducting background checks on terrorists GWB brought into the country? No, I think the stain lies with you worthless incompetent deceitful shemeless hypocritical right wingers.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:04 am | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      THE GOPT: We don't want background checks...we want back ground checks...we don't want background checks...we want background checks...we don't want BIG government...we want BIG government...we don't want BIG government...we want BIG government...drones shouldn't be used on Americans who harbor terrorism...drones should be used on Americans who harbor terrorism...drones shouldn't be used on Americans who harbor terrorism...drones should be used on Americans who harbor terrorism. Flipflop...flipflop...flipflop...flipflop! Pathetic conservative IDIOTS!

      April 25, 2013 at 9:18 am | Reply
      • StanCalif

        Well said!
        Cut funding for embassy security and a prominent ambassador gets killed! Must be Obama's fault!!!
        Sequester kicks in and airline flights by the thousands are delayed, must be Obama's fault!!!
        McCain, and others, insist the "red line" has been crossed in Syria, "Time to attack!" All without verifiable facts!!! Just like the Iraqi WMD debacle!!! It takes "big government" to wage war, yet big gov. is bad! It takes big taxes to pay for war, but "no new taxes"!!! What is the GOP thinking? They just hate Obama! This hate gets in the way of any progress!

        April 26, 2013 at 7:36 am |
  31. StrtUpTrth

    I've said this since the American government passed the patriot act, "It doesn't matter what laws you pass, or what measures you take." If an Individual or people decide to commit a terrorist act, 9 times out of ten you cannot stop them until they have already done the terrible deed. End of story!

    April 25, 2013 at 8:52 am | Reply
    • Skeptimist

      You're exactly right. But news media and politicians cannot afford to admit to "End of story".

      April 25, 2013 at 9:09 am | Reply
  32. romoownssteveyoung

    here's the problem with Fox News shutting down their comment boards....we get all of the tea party idiots here now, that thing they're really funny, when all they are doing is displaying their mental defectiveness....CRUZ IN 16! Cruz: NO FEDERAL AID FOR SANDY...FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SEND ALL POSSIBLE RESOURCES TO WEST, TEXAS!....yeah, no thanks. Rubio: Lets cut federal funding and aid for college, EVEN THOUGH, that's how I got through college and my parents in their retirement years lived off medicare...yeah, once again no thanks....tea partiers are all a bunch of @$#@ing morons, dumb as or dumber than sarah palin, which is bad...Tea Party of america...$#@$ yourselves in the @$$...dumb imbred rednecks, the gene pool just keeps getting shallower and shallower.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:51 am | Reply
    • shades

      you poor coolaid drinking fool

      April 25, 2013 at 8:56 am | Reply
      • romoownssteveyoung

        Yeah tell me about as you support the party that supports glenn beck, who's first response after the boston attacks was " The government is manipulating gold, buy gold " keep your pity for your self bub, you'll need all the brain power you can get to wipe your own butt on the toilet in next few hours ;)

        April 25, 2013 at 8:59 am |
    • shades

      you poor little man

      April 25, 2013 at 9:03 am | Reply
  33. Futurewizard

    Seriously, You expect Russia to provide all that information so that they can blow up their national intelligence cover or whatever KGB do? Do they work for CIA/FBI?

    First of all it was great that Russia provided that information and not once twice. Can we expect more from cold war's biggest enemy or some one still in opposite block? if they came back twice, it does show how serious they were and wanted to alert USA. Why did not we approached Russian Gov. and requested more information, if we did not find any thing against this dude? I think we (CIA/FBI) dropped the ball here, and now running for cover.

    Feel free to disagree with me.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:46 am | Reply
    • shades

      of course the administration, as a whole, dropped the ball. AND in typical Obama era fassion, they are blaming someone else, "the russian info was too thin, we asked for more and they said nothing"

      April 25, 2013 at 8:58 am | Reply
      • Futurewizard

        @Shades: I do not believe, FBI and CIA was created by Obama admin and their employee are on payroll or any individual. So I completely reject the notion of blaming any key administrative official for this fault. At the end individuals working for FBI/CIA and their supervisors who finally decided not to peruse this any further.

        Feel free to disagree.

        April 25, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Matthew

      Also Russia doesn't have all the requirements for evidence that the US needs in place to bring someone in or punish them. They likely didn't have the detailed information that the US was requesting on the guy.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:58 am | Reply
      • shades

        when a "government" issues a warning on an individual, and then that individual travels to a haven of terror and returns and you dont know about it, you are incompetent, top to bottom this administration of clowns

        April 25, 2013 at 9:02 am |
      • George Patton

        Mathhew, if some good samaritan warns you that your kid is taking drug, that's is more than enough. It is your job to go to the bottom of it; if your kid dies out of drug overdose, you can't just shrug shoulders and say well the information was not good enough to stop him.

        April 25, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • michaelw777

      Nope. I agree with you. This smells like an inter-agency snafu. If I were personally to guess, I'd take a hard look at the CIA decision-maker who decided the FBI info was adequate and did no further follow-up – DESPITE the fact that the Russians came to us a second time. The request for more info not forthcoming as a reason not to pursue independently on our own looks professionally negligent to me. Surely SOMEBODY was asking why they came to us a second time – and to a different agency. The Russians were trying their best without compromising their own sources.

      Could we have in reality stopped this from happening? It's hard to say. Maybe. But our resources are not unlimited, and you can be sure this was one possible threat among hundreds or thousands.

      That said I feel we failed to take Russia's effort seriously enough.

      April 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  34. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Blame GWB for harboring the terrorists! First he let OBL off the hook and helped him escape into nuclear-based Pakistan to recruit and plot more attacks on America. Then he let these terrorists into the country! He should be hanged at his un-presidential library.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:40 am | Reply
  35. al

    Fairly clear to even a liberal....Obama and his lackies were asleep at the wheel. Just like always. We have had more attacks on us under Obama than we even dreamed of under Bush. Pretty clear even to a liberal IF they can read the facts.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:40 am | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      Sure...like Bush would have placed an armed security guard at every trash can across America. You conservatives are pathetic. You people decry background checks for domestic terrorists and the mentally ill but when things go bad, you do a 360 and call for background checks on immigrants. Worthless incompetent right wing pigs.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:44 am | Reply
      • shades

        have another cup of coolaid

        April 25, 2013 at 8:59 am |
      • BobbaFett

        You disgusting little worthless wretch. All you can do is insult conservatives, eh? You are an intellectual moron, you filthy pile of steaming excrement.

        April 25, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      What was the FBI to do, ban nails and pressure cookers? GWB brought the terrorists into the country. BLAME Bush!

      April 25, 2013 at 8:56 am | Reply
      • shades

        of course, "balme Bush" where have I heard that before, "you represent the lollipop kids, the lollipop kids"

        April 25, 2013 at 9:00 am |
  36. JK

    If iw walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck........The FBI blew it...they should have had these two under surveillance.....Time for a major shakeup of the FBI

    April 25, 2013 at 8:34 am | Reply
    • nclaw441

      As Hillary Clinton said of the bungling of Benghazzi: "What difference does it make?" Those who lost their lives or limbs will not get them back. There is nothing to see here. Move along.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:38 am | Reply
      • michaelw777

        No, they can't get those limbs back. But if we can uncover a flaw in our intelligence system and fix it – then maybe some other people won't lose THEIR limbs in the future. Blame isn't very useful, but fixing a flaw is very useful. And you can't fix it until you find it, and you can't find it until you look for it.

        April 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
  37. Willie12345

    No one in Washington is responsible. It's always someone else's fault. Excuses, excuses, excuses !! When will we see some real leadership in our government ? At least he didn't say it was Bush's fault.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • always awaiting moderation

      People need to take voting very seriously and look through thieves bearing gifts.

      April 25, 2013 at 10:44 am | Reply
  38. PeterD

    Do not try to Blame Russia here. Boston Bombing is a Classic American Collosal Failure from FBI, Homeland Security, US Intelligent and State Department after spending nearly $1T every year all together in these agency combined.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:27 am | Reply
  39. Fred S

    IF a foreign government calls you to give a heads up on a possible terrorist, you should listen, no matter how faulty you think the information might be. It is a serious deal when a government
    gets in touch with another to offer a warning. To try and blame the Russian government on "weak information" is simply attempting to pass the buck. Is it any wonder why Americans have such poor relations with the rest of the world

    April 25, 2013 at 8:17 am | Reply
    • Futurewizard

      @Fred S: Yes, I totally agree with you, specially a country like Russia which is not the best friend of USA.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:48 am | Reply
      • always awaiting moderation

        Need to read up why they are not our friend, not what Wolfy and his cohorts tell us.Read the history of the time after the fighting stopped. Russians did not like the company we brought home.

        April 25, 2013 at 10:47 am |
  40. Andrew

    I like how the CIA can do incredible things globally, yet not follow up on a tip if it's not served up on a plate with gravy.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:14 am | Reply
    • One L

      The CIA is prohibited by law from conducting spy activities in the US

      April 25, 2013 at 8:33 am | Reply
  41. eyedesigned

    I like how Russia gets blamed now. I guess they expect Russia to do their job right now. They should say thank you at least for what they got. Who is to blame it slipped through cracks on this side of the world?

    April 25, 2013 at 8:06 am | Reply
  42. Nick

    And once again we see the failure of Napolitano's DHS. Between her and Hillary (Iran, North Korea, Benghazi, etc.) this administration is a laughing stock.

    April 25, 2013 at 8:03 am | Reply
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      And GWB brought the terrorists into this country. But nevertheless, give him credit...at least he drove OBL and al Qaeda out of Afghanistan, that is into nuclear-based Pakistan to recruit and plot more attacks on America again! Hope they remember to put that in his un-presidential library.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:12 am | Reply
    • Mike Lake Orion Michigan

      I agree 100%. Both Napolitana and Clinton were figure heads being paid big money without following up on what their employees were doing. They were lucky up until this bombing!

      April 25, 2013 at 8:20 am | Reply
    • Willie12345

      Nappy ain't to snappy. She isn't too bright either.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:31 am | Reply
  43. conchytonker

    Now this is unique! Blaming Russia instead of Bush?

    April 25, 2013 at 7:49 am | Reply
    • MIke S

      Well, they already used the Youtube excuse.. They need to come up with a new scapegoat.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:52 am | Reply
      • conchytonker

        Ummmmm, it’s the Congressional Republicans’ fault?

        April 25, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • mm

      All that smoke about most all countries hating Bush....all that was just pretense.

      Bush just made them all look a whole lot better, by not even doing anything.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:10 am | Reply
    • conchytonker

      Or....er, how about Tamerlan Tsarnaev's name was misspelled? Global Warming? The greedy rich people? ATM machines....?? One things for sure.....NOTHING is the Obama Administrations fault.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:14 am | Reply
  44. MIke S

    Wait a minute. The Russian sent two warnings and the U.S. is complaining that the Russians should have sent MORE detailed information? After the warning isn't the job of the U.S. to do the detailed investigation? Or do you want the Russian to do the work for us?
    Let's face it. The agencies became complacent.

    April 25, 2013 at 7:42 am | Reply
    • Fedweb

      Actually it was more like the Russians wanting us to do their work for them by keeping tabs on every Chechen who ever traveled between the U.S. and Russia.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:20 am | Reply
      • nclaw441

        Fedweb, the bombing didn't occur in Russia, though.

        April 25, 2013 at 8:41 am |
      • emi

        @Fedweb:
        you get a tip and you are ungrateful???Also, Russia sends a tip o the government which openly supported Chechen terrorists (in their conflict with Russia). Still, Russia`s fault?! Why don`t you open your eyes? When Russia was fighting with such terrorists, the USA used to call the terrorists humar rights fighters etc. Now those fighters dare do unspeakable things . Instead of fighting such terrorism together with Russia, somebody is trying to be clever and to blame Russia. Utmost stupidity.

        April 25, 2013 at 9:33 am |
  45. Wasnt Mee

    Certainly the 2 government "intelligence" agencies don't trust each other. Russians were warning us about extremists that concerned them. But Russians were the enemy to these terrorists not the US. In fact, we probably helped them in their fight against Russia. That's why it didn't concern the US. They thought he was gearing up for something in Russia, not US but cannot admit that publicly.

    April 25, 2013 at 7:33 am | Reply
    • L

      Yup, that's my theory as well. The FBI thought that since he was ethnic Chechen, he was going to be Russia's problem. Can't tell what Russians thought...

      April 25, 2013 at 9:48 am | Reply
  46. Jason

    It's just disgusting that the FBI is trying to shift blame to Russia for not providing enough information to go on. They gave you his name and told you he was a radicalized Islamic terrorist. They did 99% of the work identifying him and the FBI couldn't bother to do a little work on their own? Shift the blame, shift the blame, shift the blame.... I guess when it's all your commander in chief ever does it's easy for the rank and file to fall into the same pattern. Looking at it that way I guess I'm just happy the FBI didn't say it was Bush's fault.

    April 25, 2013 at 7:27 am | Reply
    • Wasnt Mee

      Ah Jason, I was with you until it got political.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:35 am | Reply
      • conchytonker

        But Jason is 100% spot on......

        April 25, 2013 at 7:56 am |
      • nclaw441

        Thank goodness the Democrats never politicized anything Bush did regarding the war on terror.

        April 25, 2013 at 8:42 am |
      • michaelw777

        I agree. And no conkytonker, he's NOT spot on. Blaming Obama for Boston is like blaming Bush for 9/11, or for the invasion of Iraq. If there are failures here, they're intelligence failures or inter-agency bureaucracy failures.

        April 25, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
  47. SP Fix

    Since when do we outsource our intelligence to the Russians? We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on our own intelligence services. We need to find our own "threads to pull."

    April 25, 2013 at 7:26 am | Reply
  48. Darrell

    No threads? They told you he's a freaking terrorist, what other threads do you need?

    April 25, 2013 at 7:23 am | Reply
  49. Question

    Very interested to know this information as the bombing brothers lived in U.S. for a long time. Actually they lived in U.S. so long that the younger one got naturalized, so FBI/CIA was supposed to know more about the bothers than Russian federal. What a shame for CIA to cry for no sufficient help from Russia!

    April 25, 2013 at 7:15 am | Reply
  50. freddy c

    This is just great. US police organizations got information on this guy handed to them on a platter... and they are still too lazy and stupid to pay sufficient attention to the matter. What will they ignore in the future? Very scary!

    April 25, 2013 at 6:49 am | Reply
    • Guest0001

      Its funny how people post comments. They indicate they are patriots and care about America... and the next sentence is say something nasty about president or FBI or Homeland security.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:54 am | Reply
      • tanama75

        You can be a patriot and still point out errors done by the agencies that are here to "keep us safe"....Now I know that in order for you to be a patriot you have to be an idiot and not notice anything and not ask questions....Look up "Operation North Wood".....see what the government is capable of wanting to do.

        April 25, 2013 at 7:25 am |
      • conchytonker

        Guest0001....ignore the obvious? Don't question our "leadership?" Right out of the Liberal handbook.

        April 25, 2013 at 8:03 am |
  51. Trayvon

    If the Russian's had such great information, why didn't they act when he was in Russia? Silly people.

    April 25, 2013 at 6:49 am | Reply
    • Guest0001

      Good point.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:55 am | Reply
    • mm

      Because they didn't have anything THEN.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:09 am | Reply
    • Sunandan Kaul

      Because if they, you would been now shouting at the top of your throat about violation of the poor kids' human rights and how the Russian intelligence kidnap ordinary folks and harass them.

      Com on, accept it. You have nothing better to do in life than criticizing someone.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:17 am | Reply
  52. Guest0001

    If you want to drive back ground checks necessary, If you want to work and contribute to economy you need to get e-verified. But if you want to get a gun and go hunting, either in woods or in cinema theatre, then no need of back ground checks. Does it sound reasonable?

    April 25, 2013 at 6:48 am | Reply
    • Dave

      What does your gun control talking point have to do with this article? Or maybe I misinterpretted your statement and you think there should be background checks for everything, up to and including bomb making? Furthermore, most states have firearm background checks already on the books, and they have not helped.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:22 am | Reply
      • conchytonker

        Over 16,000 fellons tried to purchase firearms in 2012. 44 were charged by Obama's Dept of Justice. Wow! The Obama Regime cares?

        April 25, 2013 at 8:09 am |
  53. jax

    FBI fail !!!

    April 25, 2013 at 6:37 am | Reply
    • Guest0001

      I dont think so. If some foreign government asks to inquire about you, and if FBI follows your every move until you die, do you approve of that?

      April 25, 2013 at 6:50 am | Reply
  54. Henry

    Homeland security has been busy doing its PC propaganda but not the real job of preventing and protecting the nation from harms.

    April 25, 2013 at 6:21 am | Reply
  55. Reggie

    A federal ban on getting blown up could have prevented this.

    April 25, 2013 at 6:00 am | Reply
    • Bill

      Now if only we could have a federal ban on preventing things like from happening...We can dream!

      April 25, 2013 at 6:20 am | Reply
  56. jerpell

    Why aren't we banning pressure cookers? Why aren't we banning boats to hide in for safe harbor?.....Oh. must not fit on the liberal Obama agenda!.....Better yet, lets disarm our law abiding citizens...Now we're talking!

    April 25, 2013 at 5:45 am | Reply
    • Dave Green

      At this point, if we're going to ban anything, it should be people's right to ask why we aren't banning stuff, to drive the same point into the ground until it's nothing but particle dust! We get it!!!!

      April 25, 2013 at 5:55 am | Reply
      • nclaw441

        Dave, and yet there are still calls for bans. If we really got it, that stuff would stop.

        April 25, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Dave

      Not only have we heard this, it is not in any way original, but it is also a fallacy that a 6th grader could see through. Pressure cookers are not an epidemic in mass murder in the US. Guns are.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:21 am | Reply
      • Dave

        no. they. are. not. Gun violence has gone DOWN over the past decade. you know, since the assault weapons ban expired? Do your own research for crying out loud!

        April 25, 2013 at 7:24 am |
    • Bill

      Except no one has stated that they want to take away the guns of "law abiding" citizens....All President Obama has asked for is a ban on assault weapons and universal background checks....Seriously if you need an assault weapon to go hunting, then you are just a crappy hunter, plain and simple....And universal background checks sounds pretty reasonable to me.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:22 am | Reply
      • Guest0001

        If you want to drive back ground checks necessary, If you want to work and contribute to economy you need to get e-verified. But if you want to get a gun and go hunting, either in woods or in cinema theatre, then no need of back ground checks. Does it sound reasonable?

        April 25, 2013 at 6:48 am |
      • Dave

        Please inform the rest of us... how many americans are killed by assault weapons per year?

        April 25, 2013 at 7:26 am |
    • surannah

      This made me laugh. I sincerely hope it was irony.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:34 am | Reply
    • Guest0001

      How much more insane arguments you can make to advance your cause?

      April 25, 2013 at 6:46 am | Reply
  57. gossipmom07

    from seeing that bullet infested boat, it appears that the kid didn't do any shooting. In fact, where were his weapons when he came out of the boat? The story seems fishy..

    April 25, 2013 at 5:24 am | Reply
    • Dave

      I think they used thermite.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:22 am | Reply
    • nclaw441

      He didn't do any shooting, perhaps, but he didn't do any surrendering, either.

      April 25, 2013 at 8:47 am | Reply
  58. SixDegrees

    '"We know the Russians had to see something to make these claims," said the senior U.S. official.'

    Sure. But we're talking about the Russians here. There's a high likelihood that what they saw was the word "Chechen", and in their eyes that was enough to file warnings with foreign intelligence services. I'd guess that the number of Chechen expatriates identified as terrorists by Russia is somewhat north of 100%.

    April 25, 2013 at 3:10 am | Reply
    • drddr

      Ahem, have you missed the news, they were actually telling the truth? Your mistrust theory has had some rather large costs to the nation...

      April 25, 2013 at 5:28 am | Reply
      • djmatte

        it's not a matter of mistrust. it's a matter of " tell me something I didn't already know". Russian history with Chechnya leaves them VERY on edge with terrorism potential. but a notification of this guy might be radicalized and nothing else to prove it limits anyone's ability to investigate or prosecute

        April 25, 2013 at 5:45 am |
    • Dave

      Whaddya know? They were right this time! Again our intelligence agencies have failed us. 9/11 "Oh, that could never happen" Boston "Oh, they hate all Chechens".

      April 25, 2013 at 6:25 am | Reply
    • sarah

      yes but you must also take into account that they only named the elder brother Tamerlan when they approached the FBI and the CIA

      April 25, 2013 at 8:23 am | Reply
  59. Will Beararms

    Heard frequently these days: "Don't jump to conclusions." "We are trying to find out what their motivation is." "They acted alone."

    "Duh........Which way did he go George?" Do they really believe most of us are this stupid? Speed Bump went to Dagestan for training. This was a coldly calculated and well designed terrorist insurgency.

    The same people people telling you this dribble want your firearms. The hunt for these demons is a text book case of why we the people have the right to keep and bear arms. There are some areas in this nation where these two devils would have feared law-abiding citizens more than the authorities.

    April 25, 2013 at 2:33 am | Reply
    • chicadow

      Yes, if everybody at the marathon had a gun, they wouldn't have laid backpacks on the ground. And the planes wouldn't have hit the WTC. Wow, thank God for guns. When women carry them they even have an excuse for their asses looking fat.

      April 25, 2013 at 2:48 am | Reply
      • mark

        a gun may have been useful for the guy who got carjacked by the two bombers

        April 25, 2013 at 3:02 am |
      • mark

        also may have been useful for the pilots of the planes

        April 25, 2013 at 3:03 am |
      • Dave

        @Mark Because firing a gun in a pressurized cabin is always a good idea. Jeez.....

        April 25, 2013 at 6:27 am |
      • Dave

        @ Dave – you are so right! Pressurized cabins do much better when they slam into skyscrapers!

        April 25, 2013 at 7:30 am |
      • Will Beararms

        I am not saying gun ownership is a panacea. It's not. I am saying I would much rather be legally and responsibly prepared to defend my family than to cower in fear unarmed in a city-wide lockdown aka Marshall Law imposition ergo Watertown.

        I am saying the same lunacy exercised by our government which currently places political correctness above the welfare of its citizens is akin to the insanity of disarming rational people with measures that criminals will not abide by.

        To suggest we do not know the motivation behind the Boston Terror Attack is madness. It's freightening--disheartening. It reinforces the notion that we cannot rely on government to do for us what we should do for our families.

        To continue to allow people in our country who purpose to destroy us by virtue of their deeply held faith putting innocent women and children in harm's way let alone support these terrorists on our dime is beyond stupidity-–it's evil.

        April 25, 2013 at 8:47 am |
  60. mark

    then the home owner, who I'm surprised didn't get his head blown off when he looked into the boat, alerted police who came and shot two or three hundred rounds at the boat and the bomber still climbs out of the boat under his own power!

    April 25, 2013 at 2:06 am | Reply
    • SixDegrees

      Uh – what are you babbling about? There was no exchange of gunfire at the boat.

      April 25, 2013 at 3:11 am | Reply
      • mark

        http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/23/article-2313429-1972D34E000005DC-114_634x397.jpg

        April 25, 2013 at 3:25 am |
      • mark

        babble that pic

        April 25, 2013 at 3:30 am |
    • Dave

      Good thing they had guns huh?

      April 25, 2013 at 6:28 am | Reply
  61. mark

    i also don't get why 9,000 law enforcement people didn't find the guy hiding in a boat!

    April 25, 2013 at 2:01 am | Reply
  62. omama

    CNN again trying to protect the prophet Obama by implying that it was the Russia's fault that we didn't act on our received information. The blame here rests solely on both the FBI and CIA. And if we couldn't act due to legal reasons, then it just underscores the point that our Judicial system that needed to be revamped more than our Healthcare system. Will a Lawyer (admittedly, a crappy one) revamp a Doctor? yes. But will he revamp another Lawyer? Hell no.

    April 25, 2013 at 1:56 am | Reply
    • Trayvon

      What does Obama have to do with this? You're a lunatic.

      April 25, 2013 at 6:46 am | Reply
  63. kumars

    Why would anyone make excuses on behalf of the intelligence agencies ? They are the specialists, not us. They failed.

    April 25, 2013 at 1:49 am | Reply
  64. Victoria Dawn

    Sorry for my miss spelling! *Dagestan*

    April 25, 2013 at 1:30 am | Reply
    • mark

      there is no excuse for misspelling dagestan! just kidding haha!

      April 25, 2013 at 2:19 am | Reply
  65. Dave Green

    So the Russians tell the CIA that these guys are becoming radicalized. The CIA asks for more info and is ignored. They investigate and can't find any link to terrorism, so it goes on the back burner. Over a year goes by and they set off bombs in Boston.
    Reaction: You dropped the ball! You were warned and failed to act.
    Seems reasonable, but what should they have done? Had they black bagged them and dumped them into gitmo, they would have been blasted for infringing on their rights and rightly so. At the time, they weren't guilty of anything.
    Once again, this is a matter of hindsight being 20/20. How many leads and warnings does the FBI and the CIA get? How many never pan out to anything? It seems to me, the same people who complain endlessly about losing our rights for the sake of security, are the first ones to call incompetence when something happens. Make up your mind? Is it okay, for the FBI to arrest someone based on a tip from Russian authorities, with no other evidence? Yes or no?
    You can argue they should have kept a closer on eye on them, but again, how many thousands of leads do they get? They can't watch everyone 24/7 forever. Where do you draw the balance?

    April 25, 2013 at 1:24 am | Reply
    • Ted

      I tell you what you do. You take his green card and you put him on a plane bound to Dagestan as he was not a US citizen. Then he ends in some Russian interrogation room with the SVR, FSB, GRU agents and he is never heard for again. Boston bombing then never happens and no innocent civilians are blown apart. Case closed

      April 25, 2013 at 1:43 am | Reply
      • Dave Green

        Yeah, maybe so. Thing is, it's not like Russia is our best friend or anything. they could have been trying to get us to do just that, in order to get us to deport them for some reason. Hard to say, but while I think your point is valid, I still have to stand on the point that hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to know what to do after the fact. The trick is figuring it out before it happens and all I can say is I'm glad I'm not the obne who has to make those decisions.

        April 25, 2013 at 2:13 am |
    • Notscott

      I agree with you completely. Like everything else, deciding what to do with a could-be/would-be terrorist is probably easy to talk about and hard to decide on when you're the one responsible. It's a gamble either way so, like you say, what do you do? One way could have bad consequences if he is let go and is a terrorist, on the other hand it is arguably worse if he were innocent and we "black bagged" him. That would be a terrible thing to do to someone who is just trying to get by. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose but I wouldn't be very fast to send someone away to death, or worse, the Russians, unless our guys were pretty sure either.

      April 25, 2013 at 2:01 am | Reply
    • patrick

      I was about to write the same thing. We need to know if it would have been possible for the uncle (the brave well-spoken one who said that he had broken off with them) or for the imams to have done more. Other than that it's very hard to see anything sensible to do about this particular case. However, more generally, one could:

      control guns and ammos (oops)
      have an alert system whenever a male buys a pressure cooker

      April 25, 2013 at 2:14 am | Reply
      • Josh

        I lol'ed

        April 25, 2013 at 3:18 am |
    • Sam

      Russians tipped Americans more than once.
      He travelled to Dagestan and Chechnya for half a year. What for?
      Three of his Boston area friends were killed execution style, throats slit ear-to-ear (Chechen fighters trademark execution). He was part of investigation, the last person to see them alive. No proof he killed them.

      No red flags here. He is pretty normal. No reason to worry. Yeah, right.

      April 25, 2013 at 4:02 am | Reply
      • Dave Green

        Sam, do you have a source for the 3 execution style murders that this guy was linked to?

        April 25, 2013 at 4:17 am |
      • Sam

        http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-area-homicide-investigation/index.html#comment-874742633

        April 25, 2013 at 6:21 am |
  66. James

    DHS was created to combat terrorism however they were never given lead investigative authority do to politics and ego.
    The FBI which did not care about terrorism till post 9/11 has the national security branch. All counter intel and terrorism is run from there.

    What should happen is the FBI should focus on major crimes.

    HSI will take over the national security branch and fuse all the information into response plans. HSI would now have the lead.

    While we are fixing things. We need to merge USSS, NPPD, and TSA into the protective ops directorate. Streamlining DHS.

    Both Secretary Chertoff and Napolitano are lawyer with no operational experience our next secretary should be like Admiral Thad Allen of the USCG. Familiar with the military and civilian way of doing thing, familiar with natural disasters and law enforcement.

    April 25, 2013 at 1:20 am | Reply
    • Jeffrey

      James,

      Based on your comment, I'm assuming you're at DHS. Do you really think it makes sense to centralize authority over such culturally and capably distinct organizations as USSS and TSA? (At least, the airport-operations division of TSA?)

      April 25, 2013 at 5:51 am | Reply
  67. IntelWeenie

    First of all, TIDE does NOT contain "raw intelligence". Secondly, the FBI performs investigations, as their name suggests, not intelligence activities....they are not in the "American intelligence community". Get your facts straight before reporting on something you have no knowledge of.

    April 25, 2013 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • James

      FBI is the lead counter terrorism and runs JTTF also FBI is the lead COINTEL agency. Its just they have always advanced major crimes over CT and CI work.

      April 25, 2013 at 1:23 am | Reply
  68. Victoria Dawn

    No one is asking something I would like to know. How did Tamerlan come to the attention of Russian Intelligence to begin with? How did they (Russian Intelligence) know he (Tamerlan) was planning to travel to Dagestain?

    April 25, 2013 at 1:06 am | Reply
    • leprekan

      Pretty sure the article mentioned this explicitly, it may not have been answered to your satisfaction, but it has been asked.

      "What pinged the Russian interest? The United States still doesn't know everything. But the senior U.S. official says the American intelligence community, including the FBI, is well aware the Russian security service monitors websites and online postings of particular militant websites."We know the Russians had to see something to make these claims," said the senior U.S. official."

      April 25, 2013 at 1:21 am | Reply
    • Sam

      He had a buddy in Chechnya, major rebel fighter. I forgot his name. Old brother even had a YT channel with a video from this guy, calling for jihad. So Russians could have known about the connection, and they knew he was coming to visit Chechnya.
      When was the last time I took a half year vacation? Let me think...

      April 25, 2013 at 4:13 am | Reply
      • Jeffrey

        The "vacation" is less telling than you might expect. He had family in the region, and a lot of Caucasians (from the Caucasus) living in America return home for long stretches to marry, assist older relatives, or launch businesses. That trip probably should have been the least alarming of all of his activities.

        April 25, 2013 at 5:55 am |
  69. mark

    man the russsians are impressing me. they have the only space craft able to reach the international space station. their citizens have dashboard cameras as recorded the recent meteor. and they also sent us warning of the eventual boston marathon bomber which we somehow ignored. we need to tighten as a country big time!

    April 25, 2013 at 1:05 am | Reply
    • lerianis

      We didn't ignore it. Russia didn't give us enough information to follow up on or it didn't get to the proper people.

      April 25, 2013 at 1:23 am | Reply
      • mark

        im just saying somehow we need to do better all around. seems as though many countries are ahead of us in many ways!

        April 25, 2013 at 1:36 am |
      • Jeffrey

        Meh. The space station's for national pride (and largely funded by the United States), the dash cams are to prove fault or deter police fraud on Russia's notoriously dangerous highways, and the Tsarnaev warning was likely little more than a shot in the dark by a government that wants to generate international sympathy for its actions in the Caucasus. Russia is not in contention with America for national advancement.

        April 25, 2013 at 6:00 am |
    • Matthew

      They also banned gay parades and liberals. It is sounded like the place to be right now.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:11 am | Reply
      • Fred Evil

        For bigots and the amoral, sure. Don't bother coming back.

        April 25, 2013 at 11:13 am |
  70. Ranger

    Reading through the comments, people's expectations about capabilities and resources available to government agencies are not to realistic. Probably too much time spent watching cop shows that a) contain technology that does not exist or is not affordable/possessed by law enforcement, b) somehow allow the investigators in the show to focus on one set do not have enough personnel to give each individual attention to each potential threat, and c) they have a ton of other things going on, white collar crime, missing children (800K reported per year), corporate espionage,etc.

    April 25, 2013 at 12:45 am | Reply
    • TheGreatUSA

      Kind of thinking about "SALT' movie...Russia is involved in this incident. Chechnya is not on Mars it is in Russia...

      April 25, 2013 at 1:01 am | Reply
    • James

      True but time for FBI to turn over the National Security Branch to HSI. I mean we spent billions upon billions creating DHS to combat terrorism only to give them no teeth. Appeasing the FBI ego on something they never cared for till 9/11. Enough is enough. We have a lot to fix operationally that lawyers like Chertoff and Napolitano do not get.

      April 25, 2013 at 1:27 am | Reply
  71. Aloes

    You Americans thought you would ride the Islamist tiger, manipulating 'good' terrorists where you need (be it against Putin or Assad) ?
    Now welcome to the real world.

    After your support of anything anti-Russian, naming any anti -Russian terrorist freedom fighters, After Dept of state refusing to seize contacts with those 'rebels' after Beslan – iI am surprised that my government is dealing with you at all.

    April 25, 2013 at 12:44 am | Reply
    • Dave

      right, because russia always was waiting for us, holding out an olive branch. Give me a break.

      April 25, 2013 at 7:36 am | Reply
    • Matthew

      Agreed Aloes, America is ran by idiots now. Russia and US were friends before Soviet Union days and even during WW2 but we cannot get over the Cold War even though it is 20 years ago in the rearview mirror. Russia warned our dumb government about Syria and we didn't listen.

      Russia needs to stand on their own and rebuild. Reacquire Ukraine and Belarus. Aid Serbia and Greece and take back Constantinople (that was your goals in 1800s but stupid Britts and French stopped you in Crimean War). Any nation that beats up Islam is a friend of the West right now and maybe Russia can be that new nation to restore a new Byzantine Empire in the Middle East.

      April 25, 2013 at 9:14 am | Reply
      • Matthew

        If US government had any sense instead of helping Islamic Brotherhood, etc. We would have helped the Coptic Christian Egyptians take back their nation from the Arabs and put a Christian nation with the native people (Coptics are descendants of the Egyptians that built the Pyramids, the 80% Muslim population in the nation is Arab invaders that came in during Middle Ages and engaged in ethnic genocide).

        Egypt would then be a Christian nation and ally of Israel, Russia, and US against Islamic Arab aggression.

        April 25, 2013 at 9:16 am |
  72. Who Knows

    Yeah, sure. They acted "alone"......NOT!

    April 25, 2013 at 12:08 am | Reply
  73. ney

    I guess we are now a the new kid in terrorismtown. Enetring the biblical era wars in the midle east, was, and is not that great. After all. Many of our young will never be back. The question is how many more will have to died? Do we really care? Love your neighbors. Peace to all. An eye for an eye has left the world blind. Ghandi

    April 25, 2013 at 12:07 am | Reply
  74. dr.correct

    Americans dare not to question Russians Russians are very intelligent brave and also more powerful than Americans. So it is better Americans tuck theirs tails and run away rather than questioning the Red Army.

    April 25, 2013 at 12:02 am | Reply
  75. amazed

    It appears to me the Russians did their part.

    April 24, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Reply
  76. Anonymous

    Translation: The FBI and DHS were too busy wiretapping Occupy hippies in 2011 without warrants to care about an actual terrorist. Oh what a world...

    April 24, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Reply
    • Yon

      Translation, the FBI was not allowed to even say Islam

      Obama administration pulls references to Islam from terror training materials, official says
      The Daily Caller – Thursday, October 20, 2011

      Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole confirmed on Wednesday that the Obama administration was pulling back all training materials used for the law enforcement and national security communities, in order to eliminate all references to Islam that some Muslim groups have claimed are offensive.

      “I recently directed all components of the Department of Justice to re-evaluate their training efforts in a range of areas, from community outreach to national security,” Cole told a panel at the George Washington University law school.

      The move comes after complaints from advocacy organizations including the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and others identified as Muslim Brotherhood front groups in the 2004 Holy Land Foundation terror fundraising trial.

      In a Wednesday Los Angeles Times op-ed, Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) president Salam al-Marayati threatened the FBI with a total cutoff of cooperation between American Muslims and law enforcement if the agency failed to revise its law enforcement training materials.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Reply
      • johncrock

        Stop misleading. That's not it. What about the time the so called "underwear bomber"'s parents told the US Embassy in Nigeria they thought their son was up to no good. FBI didn't look into that either.

        April 25, 2013 at 12:12 am |
  77. Prs

    Out of billions of people FBI got a notification to suspect one guy, twice ...... that tells everything – BIG FAILURE

    April 24, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Reply
    • Yon

      By Obama who pulled the word Islam

      April 24, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Reply
    • LoveMom

      The FBI may not have been given any new information in late Sept 2011 BUT, by then Tamerlan's close "friend" Brendan Mess had been brutally murdered just a couple weeks before, along with his two other friends, on Sept 11, 2011 in an execution style murder of three Jews. If I were investigating someone who the Russians were saying was becoming a radicalized Islamist, a quick check with that suspects friends or members of his boxing facility would certainly have revealed the grizzly murder of the suspect's friends, murdered on Sept 11, on the ten year anniversary of 9/11. Someone simply didn't do any follow through. And that includes CNN here with this reporting, because CNN is aware of the timing of those murders, having written articles about them just yesterday. There seems to be a lot of bending over backwards not to connect dots. SAD because the bombings could have been averted had the follow through occurred.

      April 25, 2013 at 12:57 am | Reply
  78. JacobWagner

    Yep ....I knew Obama would blame Russia ...he couldn't find anything to pin it on Bus/Cheney

    April 24, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
    • JacobWagner

      Bush/Cheney

      April 24, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Reply
  79. Andrey

    He has got radicalized on US soil, before going for his trip to Russia, he was living in Boston for a number of years then.... Russians somehow noticed that from across the ocean and have warned FBI. The information they provided was very thin CNN's source close to FBI says: FBI was only able to identify the subject, interviewed, investigated thoroughly, but could not find anything wrong. Obviously Russians could see more from another side of Atlantic but decided not to share that: "If the Russians held back information, it wouldn't be surprising, said a source familiar with the intelligence process and the flow of information." That is an excellent analysis I must say: Bravo CNN!

    April 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • LoveMom

      Russians basically point to a guy twice; the second time is after that guy's sparring partner has been brutally murdered... I wonder if the detectives investigating Brendan Mess's murder were ever informed of the Russian tip. Thin info or not – that is a day-glow target on Tamerlan's head to be at least questioned in the murder of Mess & his two other friends.

      April 25, 2013 at 1:00 am | Reply
  80. Yon

    Obama administration pulls references to Islam from terror training materials, official says
    The Daily Caller – Thursday, October 20, 2011

    Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole confirmed on Wednesday that the Obama administration was pulling back all training materials used for the law enforcement and national security communities, in order to eliminate all references to Islam that some Muslim groups have claimed are offensive.

    “I recently directed all components of the Department of Justice to re-evaluate their training efforts in a range of areas, from community outreach to national security,” Cole told a panel at the George Washington University law school.

    The move comes after complaints from advocacy organizations including the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and others identified as Muslim Brotherhood front groups in the 2004 Holy Land Foundation terror fundraising trial.

    In a Wednesday Los Angeles Times op-ed, Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) president Salam al-Marayati threatened the FBI with a total cutoff of cooperation between American Muslims and law enforcement if the agency failed to revise its law enforcement training materials.

    April 24, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Reply
  81. Jiang

    So stupid, killing AMERICANS cannot help free their brothers, but if kill Russian Slavs, then CAN FREE.

    April 24, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Reply
    • Andrey

      So stupid: believing every world CNN says will not help you to understand what is really going on.
      They wanted to kill Americans: is that so difficult for you to understand? So it you recognize that fact: how can you still believe CNN that it was all about Russia or Chechnya? Are you really so brainwashed, or are you so dumb that the common sense is simply beyond you? How can anybody with a brain even come up with such a stupid question?
      Haw do you type: there must be somebody else doing it for you!

      April 24, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Reply
  82. pat

    Ruskies say " there is danger coming to you"

    FBI : "we have concluded the case against the danger that has come to us."

    should have been 24×7 surveillance

    Questions: will the FBI listen closer next time? How large of a notification is needed when the term "Radical" and "Jihadist" is used in near this text/ context:"We know the Russians had to see something to make these claims,"

    its pull for the plot of enemy of the state. whos gunna monitor the monitor of the monitors?

    April 24, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • John

      Obama removed the words radical Islam from everyone procedural manuals. He did! It is his own darn fault!

      April 24, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Reply
      • Fred Evil

        Typical con response = Whaaa OBAMA!!!

        April 25, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • Chaz

      You know their list of "radicals" had 500,000 names on it, right? You might have been on their list, for all we know. 24/7 surveillance for everybody!

      April 24, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Reply
      • Yon

        Obama pulled the name Islam from being discussed ar all

        April 24, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
      • Fred Evil

        @Yon – He did? When? How? Citation?

        April 25, 2013 at 11:12 am |
  83. Martina

    Russians are extremely difficult to deal with. They still have their mentality of secretiveness. And they are so corrupt, you may actually have to bribe them to extract any useful information. That's how they operate. Rotten corruption from the top to the bottom.

    April 24, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Reply
    • Eugene

      Please do not try to explain FBI incompetence with something that you do not know about. there is no corruption here, just plain FBI incompetence.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Andrey

      At the time Russians delivered their warning the guy was an American citizen and lived in Boston for a number of years. And he did not travel to Russia yet: check the dates before posting something that stupid! Do you people could be ever bothered to thing to themselves or you outsource that function to CNN and your politicians? It is really disheartening to see how fat and lazy your minds are! It is really disappointing: if I were an American I would be really ashamed of that situation in my country!

      April 24, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Reply
    • Mark

      Actually, they are a very nice people.. We as Americans have lost most of our rights since 9/11.. There is many very good articles on how the US has fallen behind even Russia on freedoms of its citizens...

      April 25, 2013 at 12:02 am | Reply
    • Ted

      Have you ever been in Russia or been subject to Russian corruption?

      April 25, 2013 at 2:00 am | Reply
  84. Victor

    Strange thing, they (FBI) failed to heed to Russian warning after twenty years of signature Chechen terrorism in Russia left thousands upon thousands of people dead. Hard to mistrust those who had a dozen residential houses blown up, countless trains sabotaged, the Beslan school tragedy, the Dubrobka theater hostage taking, several passenger planes downed, etc. It suffices a vigilant FBI operative to go on You Tube for 2 hrs to be very alarmed. If you start searching Chechen Jihadist terrorism in Russia, one year will not be enough to watch and read everything. However, I am willing to write for the distrusting and much glorified secret service a Chechen Terrorism Giveaway Book for Dummies in a standard yellow wrapper of this popular "how-to" series.

    April 24, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Reply
    • Faber

      The situation is far more complicated than you think. There is much more Russian involvement in this terrorism than you realize. They make the Chechens to look like terrorists as a whole so people in other countries won't get involved. If you want hours of research, look up Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litivenko, Mikhail Trepashkin, the Ryazan controversy, the Volgodonsk incident ansd you will see how Putin's Russia operates. Besides, most of the deaths in Beslan and the Moscow theater were caused by the Russian's bang up job of storming the buildings.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Reply
      • Andrey

        You are so full of it Faber! Russians do not play with terrorism like Americans or your people do! They have never supported Jihadists no matter the country and how it would fit their own agenda! So keep your hours of research to yourself rotten liberal and terrorism supporter!

        April 24, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
  85. Sheila

    You don't give up your rights here in America because Russia doesn't like you. For a long time, the idea that Russia didn't like you was grounds for hero status in America.

    April 24, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Reply
    • Andrey

      Oh common: it IS even now! So have your heroes: you can keep all and every one of them! You are still afraid of Russia, full of hate and keep your Cold War mentality! So good luck with standing up all alone: nobody will miss you when your country crumble down under its own weight!

      April 24, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Reply
      • Chris

        Oh.... you mean like Russia already did once? Just because there no "cold war" or "communism to fight" any more doesn't mean the corruption, hate, and fear mongering is one sided, i.e. is exclusive to America... if you and fellow citizens believe that then you are the naïve one whose country will crumble... Again....

        April 25, 2013 at 2:21 am |
  86. allan wrench

    Historically the Russians are very good at human intel. Our agencies should do a better job of listening.

    April 24, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • cesar

      Maybe we should hired a few Russians for the FBI or CIA. It seems like they do a better job identifying suspected terrorist.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Reply
  87. Raju Sharma

    Its odd that the FBI can monitor people yet after a warning from The Russians they did not watch this guy. Had he been an Arab would they have watched him? There are questions to be answered here. They have failed badly with this and now it seems they are blaming Russians who were under no obligation to warn America in the first place. Its quite simple – they were warned and did not do enough. American people must demand a better explanation from their Government on this one.

    April 24, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Reply
    • dongbdong

      The second to last sentence of this article : The FBI is under very strict legal guidelines and standards when investigating Americans or persons on American soil. This is a clear statement, which tells us that FBI had to stop investigating when nothing of substance was produced in their evaluations. To read more into this article is worthless and speculative at best.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Reply
      • Freddy Canuck

        You Americans believe in the Rights of Individuals over the Rights of the State to such a degree that unless the FBI has a smoking gun, they can't do anything. Don't blame the FBI or the CIA, blame your culture of Individualism being paramount.

        If the FBI was allowed to grab this guy off the street and "get" the truth out of him, America could be safer. If the FBI were allowed to wiretap and eavesdrop without warrant, America would be safer. Obviously, these types of behaviors could easily to misguided, and aren't practical, but they serve as an example of the type of 180% turn you Americans smucks need to consider.

        April 24, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • nugun

      Had he been an Arab, would they have monitored him.... NOPE...

      But had he been a Tea Partier, you can betcha they'd have him followed for months.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Reply
    • Sam

      I think the Russians were hoping the US would arrest him, and Russia would be rid of someone they considered a threat to their own security.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Reply
  88. cudgelmckickstomp

    We have never listened to the Russians re Chechnya. "Political Correctness". BIG MISTAKE.

    April 24, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Reply
  89. orangeyellowdog

    For John Kerry to say he "came back with a willingness to kill people" is gross misstatement. Russian was concerned when he applied for a Russian visa which means they detected that willingness to kill people before he ever visited Russia. Everything you need to learn about killing people is unfortunately available in the USA.

    April 24, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Reply
    • cudgelmckickstomp

      It's available on the Internet, bonehead. Anywhere.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Reply
    • Ilya

      I don't believe he needed a Russian visa, as he kept his Russian citizenship

      April 24, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Reply

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