January 23rd, 2013
03:21 PM ET

Military to open combat jobs to women

By Chris Lawrence, with reporting from Barbara Starr

[Updated at 9:30 p.m. ET] The U.S. military is ending its policy of excluding women from combat and will open combat jobs and direct combat units to female troops, multiple officials told CNN on Wednesday.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will make the announcement Thursday and notify Congress of the planned change in policy, the officials said.

"We will eliminate the policy of 'no women in units that are tasked with direct combat,'" a senior defense official said.

The officials cautioned, however, that "not every position will open all at once on Thursday." Once the policy is changed, the Department of Defense will enter what is being called an "assessment phase," in which each branch of service will examine all its jobs and units not currently integrated and then produce a timetable for integrating them.

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The Army and Marine Corps, especially, will be examining physical standards and gender-neutral accommodations within combat units. Every 90 days, the service chiefs will have to report on their progress.

The move will be one of the last significant policy decisions made by Panetta, who is expected to leave in mid-February. It is not clear where former Sen. Chuck Hagel, the nominated replacement, stands, but officials say he has been apprised of Panetta's coming announcement.

"It will take a while to work out the mechanics in some cases. We expect some jobs to open quickly, by the end of this year. Others, like special operations forces and infantry, may take longer," a senior defense official explained. Panetta is setting the goal of January 2016 for all assessments to be complete and women to be integrated as much as possible.

The Pentagon has left itself some wiggle room, however, which may ultimately lead to some jobs being designated as closed to women. A senior defense official said if, after the assessment, a branch finds that "a specific job or unit should not be open, they can go back to the secretary and ask for an exemption to the policy, to designate the job or unit as closed."

The official said the goal remains to open as many jobs as possible. "We should open all specialties to the maximum extent possible to women. We know they can do it."

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Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who spent six years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War, said he supports lifting the ban on women serving in combat, pointing out women are already serving in harm's way. But he said the move should not fundamentally change the military.

"As this new rule is implemented, it is critical that we maintain the same high standards that have made the American military the most feared and admired fighting force in the world - particularly the rigorous physical standards for our elite special forces units," McCain said in a statement.

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Thousands of women in the military have already found themselves in combat situations, said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington. Recent wars such as Iraq and Afghanistan have lacked a real front line, and women serving there have come under fire and had to fight back alongside male counterparts, she said.

Murray, who leads the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee and is a member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, called Panetta's decision a "historic step for equality" that recognizes the role women play in the military.

The Pentagon must notify Congress of each job or unit as it is sent up to the secretary to be opened to women. Then the Defense Department must wait 30 days while Congress is in session before implementing the change.

It is a marked difference from the way the military ended the exclusion of gays serving openly, or the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. In that case, there were no stipulations attached to openly gay service members. There was no staggered approach that integrated openly gay troops into units. It was instead done all at once, across the board.

A senior defense official explained the Pentagon's reasoning behind the different approach: "You're talking about personal choice of behavior versus physical capability. And they were already in the units. If you take a unit that's never had women before, that's quite a culture change."

Another senior defense official said the goal is "to provide a level, gender-neutral playing field."

The American Civil Liberties Union recently filed a federal lawsuit against the Department of Defense, charging that combat exclusion is unfair and outdated, harms America's safety and prevents women from receiving training and recognition for their work. The plaintiffs, who include women awarded Purple Hearts, say the exclusion places them at a disadvantage for promotion.

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The ACLU said it is thrilled about Panetta's planned announcement.

"But we welcome this statement with cautious optimism, as we hope that it will be implemented fairly and quickly so that servicewomen can receive the same recognition for their service as their male counterparts," Ariela Migdal, senior staff attorney with the ACLU Women's Rights Project, said in the statement.

Earlier this month, the Army opened the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment to women, and it has begun recruiting female pilots and crew chiefs. The Navy has put its first female officers on submarines in the past year, and certain female ground troops have been attached to combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 800 women were wounded in those wars, and at least 130 have died.

soundoff (3,527 Responses)
  1. NorCalMojo

    Until they're required to register for selective service, it's just a first world indulgence.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      This has nothing to do with "equality" – it just sounds politically correct. They will not make women register for the draft – they would lose too many women votes. Just like men, women prefer to let "someone else" actually do the combat.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Reply
  2. Hitman

    I hope that every woman in the u.s. enlists. Then my son won't have to fight the wars brought on by u.s. corporate greed!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  3. David

    Men and women are not the same, why can't people accept that. Let's see how people feel when they start seeing their mothers, daughters, wives, and sisters coming home in body bags.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Reply
    • Sammy Z

      You mean as opposed to our: Sons, brothers, husbands and fathers?

      I'm amazed by your intellectual acuity. Our: Mothers, Daughters, Sisters and wives are already coming home with psychological scars, physical damage, missing limbs and in body bags.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Reply
      • ben

        Yes. More women suffer and for doing a lot less. There are more women in VA hospitals being treated for combat fatigue then men and they were never in combat. More men will die because the female soldier in their platoon will not be able to carry her own weight.

        January 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
  4. Lee

    About time! Equal rights come with equal responsibility.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
    • squantojoe

      About time??? Are you serious? This is not a political corectness issue nor awomens rights issue. This is a degradation of society and a destruction of family perpetrated by the establishment whom by the way is run by foreign banks.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Reply
      • pat

        Dude, I hate to tell you, but the biggest banks running this country are right here. Now don't get me wrong they do their best to F/// us every chance they get, but there isn't some big foreign power here.

        January 23, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
  5. phearis

    Okay, now about shaving their heads in boot camp and holding them to the same PRT regulations as men? Women want to be treated equal, then treat them equal.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • 7th ESB Utilities Platoon eerrrrrrrr...

      @ phearis......Women can not shave their heads in the Marine Corps it is considered "eccentric" there are strict conservative guidelines on dress and grooming standards in the Corps

      January 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Reply
  6. gmenfan54

    "I have PMS and a Gun...any questions?"

    January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Reply
  7. Olaf Big

    Everybody wants lower taxes and spending cuts. This is where your tax money goes to waste. Can you imagine what it costs to accomodate gender divide in combat units? Our only concern as citizens and taxpayers should be how to make our military better and more efficient at defending the country. Yet, we are allowing women in combat not because this will make our military a better fighting force, but to accommodate a small but very vocal activist minority that sees this as a political issue. At the very least, women who want to serve in combat should meet the same performance standards as men, including physical fitness, and not demand special accomodations in units where they are a small minority. Under these conditions, the very few women who want and can serve in combat alongside men will be able to do that, but the rest of us will not have to foot the bill for their career choice.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • pat

      Who's saying there should be different standards for male and female soldiers.

      If it's any help, the reason behind this is to make jobs previously closed to women that should have indeed been open actually open. See the last paragraph in the article, "Earlier this month, the Army opened the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment to women, and it has begun recruiting female pilots and crew chiefs. The Navy has put its first female officers on submarines in the past year......"

      January 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Reply
      • rogerr

        Because those are not direct combat roles. This is painful to see someone push their feminist agenda without knowing some of the basic history of the matter. Look up the Marine Corps times article about two female Marine Corps Officers who attempted the infantry officers course and quit after 20 days. Not failed, quit. Also look up what General Gray had to say in 1994 to Congress about women in combat...this is coming from a guy who served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, all as a commander in the infantry community.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
  8. squantojoe

    Impeach NOW

    January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • GeorgeW

      consider. -another try at ANYTHING other than concentrating on fixing this economy. Taxing the "rich" isn't going to do it, even at a 200% tax. This topic is just another DIVERSION to get america divided and not watching the next $35Billion increase in China trade deficit this next month or the several thousand more jobs being outsourced, or gathering information on the hundreds of thousands of jobs outsourced that our graduating college seniors should be taking, as the IRS continues to allow those expenses for outsourcing to be tax deductible, shirking US payroll taxes, local, state, and federal income tax as well.

      Its also really interesting how this hits the media, just as the gun ban talks run out of gasoline. Why are we wasting our time on any of these laws that are trying to "fix" something that isn't broken. It's our ECONOMY that is broken, largely due to corporations given tax breaks and being allowed to deduct expenses of outsourcing jobs. It's our ECONOMY that is broken, largely due to corporations given billions of tax dollars in federal contracts and being allowed to deduct expenses of outsourcing jobs. Its about having unfair trade policies with China and no protection to the US economy, while the US treasury prints another wheelbarrow of money to buy bread with. Good diversion folks !!!!

      January 24, 2013 at 2:10 am | Reply
  9. Saint

    Going the Gaddafi/ Assad way.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Reply
  10. gadzod

    What is a female going to do when they're out in the desert, no water, no hygiene capabilities, no nothing? Its not just a physically demanding job. A male can go long periods of time without having to clean themselves. Females can get some serious health problems if they are not able to clean themselves. Some of these combat soldiers go weeks, sometimes months without a means to cleaning themselves....

    January 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Reply
    • 1775

      Babywipes... just like the males do

      January 24, 2013 at 7:48 am | Reply
    • Moggie

      The female reproductive tract is relatively self-cleaning. All those baths with scented soap are an affectation. It's true that a woman who has to go a few weeks in a hot, humid environment without a shower or change of undies might get a yeast infection–her male comrades might get jock itch in the same conditions.

      January 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  11. Jim

    Presumably if the draft were to be reinstated, women would now be equally likely to have their number called? Fair is fair. I don't want to die in some jungle in Vietnam looking at Bubba if it could have been Marisa Miller.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Reply
  12. nick

    i am 1000% for women's rights, but this is a freaking joke. this is taking "equality' to a level of failure.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Reply
    • Andrew

      How do you figure? Women were handed the vote while at the same exact time 18 year old males who couldn't vote yet were fighting and dying in Europe. Men have long understood that the rights we enjoy in this country are not free. Thomas Jefferson knew it "“Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.” It's about time women actually paid for the rights they were handed.

      January 23, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Reply
  13. Clinton

    BAD BAD Idea....
    I'm sorry as a Former US Army Soldier, i can tell you this would be a bad idea... women in the Military do great things for us right now but one thing they always lag behind in is physical fitness, and that's not a knock on them, it's just biology, Men's hearts are 40% larger than women's on average... we're built to be stronger, faster, etc. and Women can't keep up... I know this for a fact... I had very smart helpful, brave female comrades in the Military with me, but i know for a fact putting them in a line unit would be a terrible idea... on the line, being strong matters... being able to carry gear and move fast and have that endurance... matters... and the bottom line is, Women can't keep up with that... Just leave it as it is... women do great things in the military now we should be happy with the way it is now.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Reply
    • Navid

      Well also consider that as pow's women will be likely to be raped more frequently then the males.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Reply
  14. Michael

    This is an atrocity! What next equal pay? A woman president?! I am FREAKING OUT HERE. (sarcasm)

    January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
    • rogerr

      Thanks for your imput Michael. Having never served in combat, I'm sure you are a good judge in these matters.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
      • Michael

        Actually, I have! Surprise moron I am an OIFV AND I just got back from Helmand Province 6 months ago.

        'input' not 'imput'

        January 23, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
  15. Joe

    Didn't the supreme court sight the combat exclusion as the reason why women didn't have to register for selective service?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
  16. Franky

    I'm sorry this is a dumb idea. I have no problem with females fighting but IMHO not until you run out of men to do it. If say we are invaiding a nation, I see no need to send females into combat roles, if we are being invaded, obviously it's a different story.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
    • braydenmaine

      we arent sending them out there to do it, they are volunteering. this isnt a draft. if the women want to fight fore their country, let em.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  17. Stanley

    I would welcome it if I were a male soldier. Our guys deserve to get a little tail while they are in combat.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
  18. Edwin Segura

    What would the taliban do, if they capture a platoon with 20 female soldiers?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
    • tethys

      If the women don't care, why should you?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Reply
    • pat

      Probably the same thing they would do if the capture 20 male soldiers. Rape, torture, and kill them. The risks are no different.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
      • Edwin Segura

        They rape male soldiers? didnt know that one but one thing is for sure. not matter how long you keep raping a man, even if the soldier cooperates and tells you he can take more punishment. He will not get pregnant.

        January 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
  19. Nat Reader

    People (mostly older men) here are acting like women in the military or combat is novel. Surprise...we are one of the few countries that does not have it. And having met soldiers from around the world, they talk of women just as brave, strong as they are. There have been women POWs who have endured torture. There have been women carrying packs....it is about time the gold OLD boys here realize we are one of the few countries left that bask in male tainted views.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Reply
    • George

      Yes, but we're also one of the few countries on earth that fights real wars, not just peace keeping missions or parade duty. Just look at the Israeli example for why this is a bad idea. They tried it, it was a horrible failure. Social policy makes for bad defense policy imho.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Reply
  20. laura

    Finally! Now I need to write my heated letter to Treyarch, creators of Call of Duty Black Ops. There are no female soldier avatars. However, there is a variety of different races and languages so making a female avatar shouldn't be hard. Starting in on one of the multiplayer games, you can hear an officer say, "Pick it up, ladies!" Very upsetting. Many of the males playing have disgusting self-made emblems that are disrespectful to women such as a woman's private parts. I am sick of it! Maybe they will listen now...

    January 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      Yes, they need to redo the game so they guys wear skirts and carry tampons in their purses...... Call of Duty III: Balls in Your Wife's Purse

      January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Reply
      • laura

        You sound just like all the other guys who play this game. They get mad when I say there needs to be a female avatar and when a female does better then them. I also don't use a purse, not every female does. Figure it out!! Get a new name. Common sense more like Loser in Denial. We aren't in the 1950s!

        January 23, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
  21. Buck

    Since NASA allows women to 'fly' up to the International Fake Station, then they shouldn't be limited to faux duty....

    http://www.fountainsofthegreatdeep.com/IFS.htm

    January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  22. Hitman

    The sky is falling! What's next?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
  23. SeeThruIt2

    Can women carry the same load (ie. a 100 lb ruck as a radio operator in addition to the weapons & ammo) and live within the same hygene standards (ie. no separate toilet facilities) when a small 10-12 person team deploys for weeks in hostile environments? (And we don't allow individuals to wander off for bathroom breaks.)

    January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • Nat Reader

      hmmmm....yes

      January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
      • Dawn

        ... No. No, they can't. Flail about screaming "Women's Lib" all you want, a physical fact is that men are created *stronger* than women.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
      • rogerr

        Actually no, read the Marine Corps times about two female officers who attempted the Infantry Officers Course and quit, not failed, quit, after 20 training days. Women are built different then men. And until we start fighting strictly female enemies, we should continue to pit man against man.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • Eep

      Why not?
      I'm not in the military and I carry a 60lb pack regularly.
      And if you arent capable of squatting and taking care of business outside
      then you are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  24. Retired AF

    I recently retired from the military, and I can tell you that the biggest issue with females in deployment zones is ADULTERY and getting PREGNANT and requiring immediate departure for the states with no replacement. This is not going to make this issue any better. This is a big mistake based on these two factors alone.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • tethys

      "Keep it in your pants and it won't be a problem" Or don't men have enough discpline for that? And all the women in the military that I know are on a sub-cue, so I don't see how pregnancy matters a bit.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Reply
      • squantojoe

        You are undoubtedly an uninformed female? Probably you need to forget the womens lib deal on this, war is not a place where woman should be, God certainly knew this. Common sense is not common

        January 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
  25. Phunnie boy

    As long as I have been trolling George Patton and his moderate ideas as a Tea Partier, even I get sick to my stomach at the idea of these sick minded killer broads. They must be morally depraved if they want to kill babies!!!!!!!!!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • Travis

      Thank you, Phunnie boy. That's the first sensible thing you ever said on this web page and I totally agree!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  26. blanketjackson

    Congress and the White House are being pressured by feminist groups who complain that there are no Medal of Honor recipients who are female. it won't be long before the first female MOH winner emerges.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Reply
    • Hitman

      It won't be long before we see a headless woman's body being dragged through the streets in Kabul either!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  27. afatcow134

    Don't let the rage wearing monkeys near them, who knows what they will do to American women..

    January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  28. John

    People discuss that women and men can be equal in the military... If that is the case than why are there two different Physical Fitness standards. A man can run beside his wife for the Physical Fitness test, and she can run the Maximum standard for women, and the man would fail. Somebody should either make the standards the same, if they are facing the same danger, or notify the enemy that they need to run slower if chasing a female....

    January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  29. SAN DOG

    Its a sad day when this country's men lets their women do the fighting for them. The pussification of the American Armed Forces by the liberal left is now complete. I dont recommend military service to anyone anymore and I work around the military everyday, and they wont ever be getting my son. By the way, between myself, my father, and my sister (Air Force Nurse) we have 78 years of service between the Army, Navy, and AIr Force.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • Nick

      I served in 'San Dog' myself for 7 years in the USN...on a little base on the strand...anyway...i couldn't agree more. Political correctness is our weakness as a country.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Reply
    • Glad to Write

      Glad to know you still care about your country. :) *chuckle*

      January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      Why can't my hampster enlist!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  30. ilooklikemyself

    Obama administration declares War on Women!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • CommonSense1987

      +100 points for the post "Obama's War on Women"

      January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
    • alexusf

      Nahhh.. he will probably be sainted for this one.

      January 23, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Reply
  31. creolecafe

    The Pentagon will open some first line combat units to women yes. But be rest assured the big dawgs like the Navy Seals, Marine Recon, etc. will still be off limits. That's that wiggle room the Pentagon speaks of.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  32. Already

    This is going to be a logistical nightmare. Women have different needs then men do. These specific needs can not be provided for on the front lines. Men and women are built different, yes there are some women that are stronger than you average man. Your average grunt is not the same as your average man though. Your average grunt takes everything he will need for days, weeks, or even months on his back and walks. There pack usually weighs about 60-70lbs on top of their flack, kevlar, weapon, ammo, and water. All in all your average grunt will have an extra 100lbs that he has to move with and keep up with the unit. Are there men that have the same issues, yes, but they get weeded out. The anatomy difference between men and women make this even more difficult for a woman to accomplish. Female Marine Officers already volunteered to go to the Infantry Officers Course and withdrew themselves from the course because it was too difficult for them. There may be women that can hack it, but the majority of women in the service will not be able to and they will be the ones that will put the negative stigma on those that can. I do agree with those that have posted earlier, if women can now be in direct combat they should have to register for the Selective Service.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  33. Franky

    Yeah, but you are far likelier to get "raped" in a combat zone where the enemy is there to capture or kill you, and of course will rape you if they capture you versus walking to your car. I mean if you don't have a problem with it. I don't. I guess a man could get raped too but ...somehow i think it's going to happen alot more to a female POW than a guy.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • 7th ESB Utilities Platoon eerrrrrrrr...

      That's if you get captured Franky...... and Marines don't get captured ;)

      But yes, rape is a possibility and so is dying and that is something women and men should think about before joining the MIlitary.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Reply
  34. 7th ESB Utilities Platoon eerrrrrrrr...

    To all of you people who think that women can't hang in combat, guess what, we already are in combat. I was in the Marine Corps from 00-04, and was deployed in 03 when we first crossed over from Kuwait to Iraq. The women in my Platoon went through the same experiences as the males, we are not separated we do all the same ish! Granted we were in support positions (7th ESB Engineers I was an electrician, we had combat engineers and water purification specialist too) but we were out there digging fighting holes, on watch in the dirt, protecting our positions just like the duded. The reason is because when you're in a combat situation you have to do what you have to do to accomplish the mission. No one is going to sit there and feel sorry for you when you have your period, you are expected to do your job no matter what, at least that's how it is in the Marine Corps. Speaking of periods When I was in Iraq I couldn't take a shower for a month and yes I got my period, but you use baby wipes and make due with what you have even if its getting a cup full of water, ADAPT AND OVERCOME that's what the MArine Corps is all about! I was in a support position but we were in the ish man! But we did have the Grunts and LAV in front of us so we were always protected. I never discharged my rifle, but If it came down to it I would of had to.

    The question we should be asking is, what combat jobs are women going to be allowed to enter into? I had female friends in Artillery in support roles (electricians). Will they be allowed in tanks, LAVS, infintry positions (mortarmen, etc.)? It is true the men have a totally different culture in their batallions, so that will have to be changed. Men in the military like being men, they can cuss, talk about all the nasty perverted stuff they want to. If women were to come in the picture then these units whole cultures would have to change. This is going to take a long time before women will be accepted into combat units by their male counterparts in my opinion. Also, physically I'm not sure how many women will be able to keep up with the grunts physical training, they would have to be able to keep up of course, they do Hard Corps stuff, no one is there to babysit a weak female. The grunts are lean, green, mean killing machines and I know I'm not strong enough to keep up with them (and I was pretty damn Hard Corps myself ha ha) That's the only concern of mine, will most women be able to keep up physically? I know mentally we can do it because we're already out there in the dirt in support positions, driving trucks, etc. I could possibly see women being in Tanks, LAVs, Arty maybe, but again there would have to be a whole culture change within these Combat units (Don't know about ground pounding Grunts though).

    Also, i'm reading comments on here from people who have never been in the Military acting like they know something about the military. If you have never been in then shut the uck up! You have no room to talk, you have not sacrificed what we have and put your body through the rigorous training that we have so you have no room to talk, especially negative about females in the Military!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      "especially negative about females in the Military!"

      Typical feminist!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
      • 7th ESB Utilities Platoon eerrrrrrrr...

        Yes Common Sense I am a Feminist, but did you read my earlier post I said I don't know if women can do what grunts do physically, but maybe they can be in tanks or Arty, something like that. I'm not one sided on this issue because I know the complexity of the change for the Military culturally and physically

        January 23, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • ArmyVet

      Well said. I am an Army male veteran of 22 years and have utmost respect for our female counterparts. They in every respect can accomplish the mission. It depends upon the "individual". Some females might not be comfortable in a combat role just as MANY male counterparts are not. It iss not a matter of testosterone, but a matter of sacrifice and a willingnerss to serve.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
    • StlJarhead

      "It is true the men have a totally different culture in their batallions, so that will have to be changed."

      Ummmmm....WHY? We have been fighting and winning wars for over 200 years with this "totally different culture"–but if it ain't broke, I guess we'll have to "fix it" to make you happy, sweetheart?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Reply
    • Marlon 45

      As the Son of a Combat Veteran of Both WWII & The Korean War serving for 12 years & The youngest Brother of a 10 years Vietnam Marine Gunnery Sergeant, both served & paid my dues So I can contribute what ever I want on this Subject, The only reason I did not Join the Corps was several College recruits felt I could contribute to their Football Program & both my Father & Brother supported my decision, Had they were given that opportunity, Just because a person never served, doesn't mean they cannot voice an Opinion Most contribute by working & paying Taxes which is used to Fund the Military

      January 23, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Reply
      • StlJarhead

        Nobody "pays your dues for you". My Dad flew B-52's in Vietnam, and my Grandpa was on subs in the Pacific, that doesn't mean I knew what it was like to serve by listening to their stories. Until you've humped 20 miles with 100 lbs of gear on your back, with your own diarrhea running down into your boots the entire way, you haven't "paid your dues". You have a right to an opinion, you have a right to voice it, and I have a right to tell Stephen Hawking about my theories on space and time. I'm just as qualified to do that, as you are to opine on the cultural and physical issues of women in combat.

        January 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
  35. Imjesayin

    Send them out when they are PMS'ing.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  36. cpc65

    If they have them fight just three days a month even the most bloodthirsty jihadists wouldn't stand a chance. All joking aside, I have no problems with this as long as they pass the training the same as any soldier, and I think it's high time they get their shot to show what they can do. Kick some butt, ladies! My only concern is the rape issue, as others have brought up, as some of our current foes treat women as being lower than livestock.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  37. George Patton

    A CHANCE TO KILL, WHAT A THRILL!!! Now I want to vomit!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
  38. Lexxs

    First there was abortion (slaughtering babies), then feminism, now this. The degradation of women is nearly complete.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Cindy

      Yea I guess we're almost as degraded as men huh?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
      • GOD of the GUNS

        I am rushing to sign up my 3 ex-wives now

        January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • pat

      What one person calls degradation another calls equality.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Reply
    • wjmccartan

      Well put, Lexxs.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Reply
  39. 4toursinnam

    Female Viet Cong, "Long-haired Charlie," could kill American GI's in Vietnam just as well as old Charlie himself. They were some devious and very capable soldiers.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  40. Mon

    Who cares. As long as they can pass all the same physical tests set for men then bring 'em on. I mean, really, wouldn't you rather have some burley woman who ran circles around all the guys at bootcamp fighting next to you than some puny man-runt who barely passed the tests?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  41. edc3

    Many commentators here seem to believe that men are somehow the gold standard that we all must measure ourselves by. I think not. Throughout history women have fought and died in wars and other insurrections all over the world. To actually be paid and earn the benefits that come with that seems fair, finally. We certainly can't screw things up any worse than the men have.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • Travis

      Its not about a willingness to die for you country you ignorant turd. Its about limiting deaths

      January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
      • pat

        There's better ways to limit deaths than opposing gender equality. If the military really cared about limiting casualties don't you think they would have bought body armor for our front line troops

        January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • edc3

        Limiting deaths? What a joke. If men truly want to limit deaths then stop killing people. You moron.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
      • Harrison_RW

        Patty Cakes, do some reading. She never actively participated in combat.

        "She was also responsible for outlining military strategies, directing troops and proposing diplomatic solutions to the English (all of which they rejected). Despite her distance from the front lines, Joan was wounded at least twice, taking an arrow to the shoulder during her famed Orléans campaign and a crossbow bolt to the thigh during her failed bid to liberate Paris."

        She was very heroic and did great things, but we are talking about the frontline here.What Joan of Arc did women are doing already which is great. Frontline is a different ballgame.....

        and unlike most people i wll site my source: http://www.history.com/news/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-joan-of-arc

        January 24, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • Common Sense

      Yeah, my bad, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great and Napoleon were all chicks....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Reply
      • pat

        Joan of Arc was pretty bad ass

        January 23, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  42. BLee

    As a former Marine and a person who works with Marines I have had the privilege of working with and observing females who are amazing and would have little if any problem with the mental and physical requirements of a combat environment. The females would have to endure the same tough training and be held up to the exact same standards as the males. If not they would either be moved into a more suitable MOS or in some cases discharged. Females would not just be given a gun and told to shoot... They will be just as able to carry on as the males, due to extensive training and education. They will not be set up to fail either themselves, their fellow Marines or their county.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      Sure the Obama Administration is going to go along with the concept of discharing women that don't make the cut. Keep dreaming and face the fact that all will be Marines because it is now politically correct.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
      • Sammy Z

        You're just being dumb.

        I served "Shohna ba Shohna" with females in Afghanistan and they performed just as well as my male Soldiers. One was even awarded an Army Commendation Medal with "V" device. That means, for "Valor."

        January 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
  43. spockmckoy

    the next thing in the corps: Mrs. Senator X, " How come the women aren't graduating?" Sarge: "cause they can't do the same physical tests a man can, they're built differently." Mrs. Senator X "So, make the test easier then, we don't care if they can do the job, we just need them in the corps for fairness"........

    January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • edc3

      Quite the simpleton, aren't you?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
      • MLD

        That is exactly what will happen edc3. They won't meet the physical same standards as men. The politicians will put pressure on senior military leaders to get the numbers up. The standards will lowered or be falsified. Then the combat units will continue to be down graded based on political correctness.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
      • alexusf

        Could you please enthrall us with how his statement is inaccurate? Women are not now, nor will they be required to pass the exact same physical tests as men.

        January 23, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
    • Lexxs

      Anyone with even half a brain can see that your point is completely true.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
      • pat

        Congrats on only having a half a brain

        January 23, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
  44. peopleq

    i believe that woman are more than capable of mentally adapting to combat roles, i dont feel that it would be fair to the rest of the unit relying on brains and bronze. It might be just me but i want the person watching my back to be able to bench 250 easily and know how to fight in combat. Not to mention you would have every terrorist back army trying to capture those woman

    January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • liquorstoreman

      ........It's BRAWN. Brains and BRAWN. You're WELCOME.

      January 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  45. Navy

    Women are approaching this from an invalid point of view. They are going on the premise that men and women are equal, they are not equal. Men and Women have equalties, but they are not equal. Is there a difference between a man and woman driving a car, no. Flying an airplane, no. But the foot slogging grueling nature of extended field combat woment can not do the same as men. The law preventing females from combat is for all women, not the one ot ten who could possibly pass Ranger, or Spec Ops training, opening this up to women, repealing this law, now puts everyone male and female available for the draft, so if a war does break out and we start up the draft again, everyone 18 year female, the HS cheerleaders, and drama queens will be sent to boot camp and to war along with every 18 year old boy. Next is the phsylogical aspect, what if the emeny sets up afirebase/position next to a school, or hospital, and you have orders to take that position out.... could you/they

    January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • NoNo

      And if there is a draft people are placed to tasks that their physic allows them to do... so, ergo, it won't be an issue. Not every man is built to withstand combat operations either.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  46. TiredOfAllThis

    Because it's the PC thing to do.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • ej

      I am for it, let them all serve as they have whined about for years. And by the way, they no longer much easier PT tests as well. I want to see them run 3 miles in 18 mins, 20 dead hang pull-ups, and do 80 crunches in 20 minutes. You want it you got it, no longer a double set of standards...

      January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  47. Rob

    For all of you out there who think women wanting to go fight is not a thing, take a moment and listen to me.
    I recently retired from the Army and let me tell you, some of the female NCO's and officers I've personally worked with, and for can keep up and exceed the males in terms of athletic ability, intelligence, marksmanship and by-god zeal for the team. There are some very dedicated and professional leaders in our forces that would be an enormous asset in the field. Not only are they ready to go, they WANT to go. It's not about proving anything, it's about being able to use the skills you have been taught and the ability to remain a part of a team, a unit and ultimately a family. This should have been done long ago. If any of you think women can't hold their own when the bullets start flying, you don't understand the modern military. Women do not have a "place" to be. They are soldiers. About time we all accepted it.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • Engy

      Then they should be able to be drafted, same as adult males. Remember, aren't equal rights under the law what these people were fighting for?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
      • Rob

        There has not been a draft since Vietnam. What draft are you referring to? It's an all-volunteer force.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • Engy

        You are required by law to sign up for the selective service. The selective service is the way that a draft can be easily resumed. Its the same thing, just a little more complex

        January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
      • Rob

        We'll see what changes will be made to the laws when they come. A modification of Selective Service wouldn't surprise me at this point. I highly doubt there will ever be a demand for a draft again anytime soon, though.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • CB

      Well said, and Thank You for your service.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
    • Travis

      Spoken like a true POG

      January 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • Bill Johnson

        Awesome....I was thinking the same thing. NOT....a trigger puller.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • Bill Johnson

        Travis....were you an 03** marine.....

        January 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • Rob

        Correct, I was not an infantryman. But you know as we'll as I that we were all prepared to be. Just like a Marine is a Rifleman first, Army has to do Infantry whenever anyone needs it. Doesn't matter. Soldiers are soldiers. If the male-only units don't like the inclusion of women into the clubhouse, too bad. Suck it up and drive on. Complete the mission.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Al

      And being in the Army I'm sure you realize that physical fitness among infantrymen is far better than in other units.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • nathan

      Should physical requirements be lessened to allow more women in, or should they keep all requirements the same, which would result in relatively few women qualifying?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
      • Rob

        You realize that members of the Armed Forces work out and train their bodies about as much as, if not more than some professional athletes? I'm sure a standard will be set. This has been a long time coming. DoD has some data from pilot units from this program already.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
    • gildersleeve1730

      Interesting that we are hearing the same arguments raised when woman became cops, firemen, fighter pilots and every other skill or physical hurdle men have tried to keep them from doing. As a long time Specail Forces operator, there have been woman recruited for spec ops missions that were as capable and as deadly as any man. They are not forcing woman into these occupation specailties-they will all be volutneers, with the same physical challanges any man must face-these are not drama queen princises-these are strong cabable woman. I can garuntee in 5 years this will not even be an issue, just like cops, firemen and fighter pilots

      January 23, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Reply
  48. TiredOfAllThis

    I'd like to volunteer my ex-wife. Sign her up, send her to the middle east and all the bad guys over there will run for the caves.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
  49. Engy

    So women are exempt from the draft AND they can fight in open combat only if they want to.... Wow. Just wow. I'm all for equality, but this isn't the case. As an adult male, I can be drafted into the military at any time and cannot refuse. But now women can serve in combat only if they want to? If women can serve in combat, then they should be able to be drafted. The military can screen those who are unfit for combat, so those who aren't able to wont have to. Full equality is what is needed, not just where you want it.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      You only have to (really) sign the selective service paperwork to get federal funding to go to college. Quit crying and go to class.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
      • Engy

        All you've shown me with that post was that you are unaware of the laws which govern you and that you will resort to Ad hominem. Thank you for educating me.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • thorgold

        Unable to get federal funding for college because, you know, jailtime gets in the way of that.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
      • Matt

        You should thank us all for educating you! That is, unless you signed the selective service paperwork out of a moral obligation to obey law. There is no legal obligtion (at least, no one has been prosecuted in the last 30 years.) That's why to receieve any federal student loans, federal jobs, naturalization, etc. it is leveraged with the requirement to be registered with selective service. That's also why they can only estimate the sign up rate to be at 92%, it's practically untraceable. So please don't cry like someone "made" you do it. Either you did it because you chose to, or because you needed something.

        January 23, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Ann

      The U.S. ended conscription. You won't be drafted. Congress will need to pass legislation to open the draft back up.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
      • Engy

        The selective service is essentially a contingency that by law requires young men to register. That way a draft can be resumed at any time if required. So its essentially the same thing, just more politically muddled.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • cpc65

      I have to agree with Engy on this one as he makes a good point. I am 100% all for fair and equal treatment, provided that it is actually fair and EQUAL. When some of the women where I work don't want to do something, like empty their scrap cardboard bin (it's just empty cardboard boxes) they'll use the "I can't do that because I'm a women" excuse. But if you were to tell them "You can't do this because you're a women" they would flip out, and rightfully so. You can't have it both ways. I have no problems with them in combat, but earn that right to fight, like men, by being eligible for the draft. Fair is fair.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  50. yourcongress rep

    LETS FACE IT PEOPLE......YES WOMEN HAVE BEEN IN COMBAT.....ONE FEMALE SOLDIER GOT A SILVER STAR IN IRAQ FOR KILLING INSURGENTS LAYING DOWN COVER FIRE FOR A CONVOY.....SO THEY HAVE BEEN IN COMBAT FOR A WHILE.....QUIT B#@$%ING AND ACCEPT IT.....IT IS NOW OFFICAL

    January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • cpc65

      A) Turn off you Caps Lock key, please. I'll wait.
      B) If you're talking about Jessica Lynch, the whole thing was a publicity sham. She was badly wounded, her gun was jammed and she lost consciousness shortly after a blast from an RPG. She came forwarded and testified before Congress that the military made the rest up. That is not to detract from her whole ordeal and I'm glad she was promptly rescued and made a full recovery.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Reply
  51. Terry

    Welcome to the new America. Before long, everyone will look the same, act the same, talk the same, and have the same stuff.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      Welocmr to the Obama vision for this nation – comrade.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • sam

      The aluminum foil for your hat willl still be cheap, though.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • fenson76

      and what are you doing to make the country better in your eyes? Sitting around complaining behind a computer screen. I bet if the news was "the sky turned green today" you would say it's Obama's fault. The only people that make this country suck are people like you that complain about non issues.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • Brian

      I'm trying – I really am – but I just can't for the life of me see how opening up combat positions to women is the same as communism.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Reply
      • Ed

        It's not communism. It is just the image of American men being O.K. with or hiding behind women on the battlefield – no real man would do it but not many of those around anymore.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
      • Mart

        Well its simple realy during world war 2 women served in lots of combat roles in the Russian Red Army and were equal to their male counterparts. So there you go commrade.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
  52. Quigley

    I'm getting very nauseated at all these ignorant comments here about these nihilistic, blood thirsty broads on this web Page and all the right-wing bla-bla-bla about them wanting to "serve the country" and "fight terrorism". There is nothing glorious about killing people who don't deserve to die. It's this kind of ignorance that will bring this country down!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • wjmccartan

      You're not the only one here who fells that way, Quigley. After reading all these ignorant posts touting these broads, I see why they call ours a sick society!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  53. Paul

    As long as they are not the daughters of any congressman will be fine. I am still waiting for the Bush girls to enlist.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • Cindy

      What has Bush got to do with this? Not every woman wants to fight.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • Becky R.

      I expect the Bush girls would serve just as enthusiastically as their daddy did.

      January 23, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Reply
  54. cpc65

    Have fun storming the castle, gals!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
  55. Ed

    Great. Finally women in the military will indeed have equal work for equal pay. Just hope they can carry their own weight and understand they will be raped, tortured and mutilated before killed if they are captured by terrorists and most third world military. That is the reality of being in combat – which the politically correct forget to mention.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • Nat Reader

      Maybe you missed the part about them ALREADY being in combat. And for your information...male or female, none do well being tortured. Rape? Considering what is already going on in our military academies, they are already at risk. Ed, you are probably old school because if you were in Iraq or Afghanistan in the last couple years you probably would have fought alongside women who were as brave as the rest of us.....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
      • Ed

        They are indeed already in combat in specific situations with little chance of being captured or killed. We will see how well this sells when the taliban parade captured women soliders in front of cameras and execute them and mutilate their bodies. Then the reality sets in of this 'politically correct" policy. No real man would be happy about it – of course there are few of those left in this country.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • pat

      Yea, equal work for equal pay is a bad thing right?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • milpitasguy

      I wonder how America would feel about this after we have another Bakaara Market situation and dead female soldiers are dragged thru the streets while tied to the back of technicals.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Reply
  56. NBA

    That's they way it SHOULD be!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      Yes indeed. All real men hide behind their women on the battle field. Makes you prode to be an American.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
  57. Cindy

    Posts on this thread keep mentioning rape. Do you think women don't think about that threat DAILY? Do you think we don't walk to our cars with our keys through our fingers? You talk about barbaric enemies of the US as though us ladies would be safe if only we stayed home and made your sandwiches, and at the SAME TIME you talk casually about raping female fellow soldier in the field. The world isn't safe. It probably never will be. But women deserve to live in it in whichever manner they see fit. And for the record, I do mean providing they pass the SAME fitness standards. And yes, I do believe us women should be required to register for selective service. Lastly, you realize that if women are eligible for the draft, and that day ever comes, that does not mean that ineligible women will be serving in combat. The physical requirements will still apply.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • prometheus

      EXACTLY, thank you!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • sam

      I applaud you.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • pat

      How dare you stand up for yourself and demand to not be treated as a 2nd class citizen. When all of the able bodied men left for WW2 women clearly demonstrated just how unfit they were unfit to do a "man's" work.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Franky

      Yeah, but you are far likelier to get "raped" in a combat zone where the enemy is there to capture or kill you, and of course will rape you if they capture you versus walking to your car. I mean if you don't have a problem with it. I don't. I guess a man could get raped too but ...somehow i think it's going to happen alot more to a female POW than a guy.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
      • Nat Reader

        http://www.army.mil/article/54136/

        January 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • pat

        My guess is you're far more likely to get raped while on base than you would in a combat situation.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
      • Ed

        Nice speech. Only means anything if YOU sign up and YOU face the reality of what happens if YOU are captured. The i will listen to you roar.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
      • Franky

        So, you think you are more likely to get raped in a base than as POW in an enemy camp? ARe you listening to yourself. While I see your argument, but a base you have some sort of potential refuge, and you are expressly there to likely be tortured as a POW, there is no uch illusion. The argument you make is simply silly to me. Like I said if the women who sign understand the consequences if captured then, you like it , I love it. I don't have any kids, but fxi.k no would I ever encourage my daughter to be in that position, I'm sorry. Call me old fashioned but in some regards men and women are not equal , and I'm ok with that. I have no problem with differences.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • Nat Reader

      Bravo

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      Cindy, in theory, right... In actual reality..... Not really......... First, women are not built for combat, it's nothing personal, just what nature intended. Second, what happens when you get knocked up in ground zero, have to use the bathroom?. Third, the Taliban are probably going to see that rare combat woman, target her and put unneeded attention on the rest of the unit.. I for one would not want to be on a unit with a woman, talk about unwanted attention.....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Reply
    • Mon

      Preach!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      Taking the "chance" of being raped "everytime you leave your house is one thing. To be raped, tortured and then killed as a "prisoner of war" is another thing. I have no problem if this is what a women wants as their "destiny" – just don't make a big deal out of it when it happens and question why it happened. The truth is women in combat are better dead then taken as prisioners by terrorist and most third world militaries. The media and military should tell the truth about this nice sounding politically correct policy.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Reply
    • Ed

      Nice speech. Only means anything if YOU sign up and YOU face the reality of what happens if YOU are captured. The i will listen to you roar.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Reply
      • Cindy

        I'm a veteran. Five deployments. As combat as they'd let me get.

        And since you asked no nicely. ... Roar.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
  58. Steve

    Political correctness run amok. Thats all this is.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  59. prometheus

    it seems to me that most of these comments are either intellectually or emotionally stunted. I am completely dumbfounded that anyone takes seriously commets about women nagging and pms-ing. The truth of the situation is that it isn't about the "anything you can do I can do better" debate, it's about who is qualified. Most of these comments discount the knowledge that women have already served and died for our country. It also assumes that women will be raped by opposing forces when women in the military are far more likely to be raped by their fellow soldier. It is upsetting and annoying that most of you choose to post with no actual bearing for what the truth of this situation is. I see an abundance of posters opening their mouths and removing all doubt.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • pat

      +1

      January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
  60. squantojoe

    WOW, well it is merely another incremental step towards total de-humanizing and destruction of the American society by the "Establishment" . No other cultures send their women to battle. For many reasons obvious and not. I pray that no woman soldier will be willing to entertain the idea of this. panetta needs to be tried for treason as it is, and this is just another insult to ALL AMERICANS.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • Al

      It's primarily some people in congress that pushed this, not entirely Panetta's fault.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • smcsea

      Israel does.

      January 23, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Reply
  61. HeyHey

    Feel better about yourselves? In the man game now.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  62. afkbrad

    More women learning how to fire "assault rifles" is a good thing. They'll learn how to use a weapon properly and respect it.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • squantojoe

      You truly do not believe that do you? Regardless of their profiency as a marksman nor their purported higher level of respect for the weapon makes this a good idea. No cultures historically have not let their women fight. The reasons are numerous and I thought obvious too.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Common Sense

      God help us during PMS....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  63. False Prophet

    Dear Comment Trolls –

    How about instead of assuming that women are or aren't ALL fit for combat duty, we just take gender out of the question and ask whether or not the human is cap[able. If a chick is too weak (or whatever your issue you think there will be) then let them get weeded out with all the males that get rejected because they aren't physically fit.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • afkbrad

      Why should women be weeded out? If they can hold a rifle and a few rounds of ammo they're strong enough to charge enemy machine guns. An American woman makes the same size target as an American man. Their flesh is just as good at stopping bullets as men.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • Scott

      It'd be interesting to meet the woman that can carry 120lbs of equipment, make a 20 mile forced march into battle, and then not sleep or eat for 3 days while the battle is played out...

      January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
      • Rob

        Scott, I worked for one. And she'd outpace and outdo almost anyone I know. They exist. And I'd have had 0 problem following her into battle.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • gadzod

      Because you get no second chances or mulligans in the combat zone. You make a mistake, and people die. This type of thing shouldn't be a "experiment" or whatever.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • RedLeg1

      Unfortunately you and your forward sighted thinking are not the US Military. The standards will not be equal. The DOD will always differentiate between a woman and a man. That is why a woman of my same age group can run her 2-mile run 2 minutes slower than me, but score higher. I MIGHT consider agreeing with integration if equal standards were guaranteed ... but it won't happen and we are fu@ked.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • InfantryMAN

      They're is alot more to fighting to pulling a trigger.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Reply
  64. DFW_Flyer1

    This is disgusting. The fall of a great nation begins. The liberals know that this will weaken the military. The poopie pants liberals will stop at no low to weaken America's greatest line of defense.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
    • sam

      Hey look, another armchair tough guy.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
  65. spockmckoy

    Let's see what happens the 1st time the Tallywhackers rape/record/put on the web an american female soldier. ya, this is a great idea.........

    January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  66. Steve

    I hope they can fight with veils on in the Middle East. Otherwise the male populas will be offended

    January 23, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • What

      Just as long as they don't make eye contact with male arabs.
      They will be fine.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
      • prometheus

        you do know they aren't "arabs" right?

        January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
  67. Scott

    I fell down and broke bones at an elementary school campus as a grown man (6'2, 190lb... and no man worked on campus. The women lacked the body strength to even get me up off the ground so an ambulance had to be called. So how are these chicks going to carry wounded men on the battlefield whe hey can't even carry the combat packs men have to wear in battle?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Reply
    • Cindy

      Well Scott... I'm assuming they were teachers, and therefore had no physical requirements. Also they probably just didn't want to touch you. Aso... you fell? And broke bones? Weak sauce Scott. Weak sauce.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • Ben

      I see that you think that women in the military are in the same shape as women who work at an elemantry school. Interesting theory and I *can't* see a single problem with it. Everyone knows that nobody in the military works out!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • agalag

      So Scott: Were those women at the elementary school trained soldiers? Were they in peak physical condition and taught how to lift an individual that is larger than them? Doubtful that a man not trained to do so could lift you either. You gents need to get over this. If the women can't take care of themselves in combat, they will die. Period. Most of them know this, and they still volunteered. Try and give 'em a little credit?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Sheona

      As a woman - I agree with you. I am all for equality, but there are certain 'jobs' women are just not 'designed' for... I can't imagine being on front line PMS-ing or being on my period... No joke.
      I was all 'high and mighty' before, and could have argued this in the opposite way, but I have girlfriend who was in Iraq and in reserves, and she is though – even she says, there are things women cannot and should not be doing.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
    • jonathanweeston

      Rumor is: women working at a civilian school are not the same as women trained and in peak physical shape in the Armed Forces.

      This is just a rumor though, so you can get back to your illogical straw man argument.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Reply
    • Paul

      I was in a motorcycle wreck, when the EMS show up "maned" by 3 women they had to ask the male cops to help them lift me into the truck. I'm 6'5" and weigh 230.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  68. vic

    Better still, there should be no segregation in sports. Let only the fastest and strongest athletes compete, with no regard to gender.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Reply
  69. gadzod

    Since they are allowing it, I expect females to not have higher female requirements. I expect them to have THE EXACT SAME requirements as a male. Front line combat is physically demanding. The weights and muscular endurances don't change because you're a woman. So why drop their standards?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • Jimmie Russells

      Because this is all about expanding womens' promotional opportunities. Has nothing to do with actually placing women on the "front lines" of combat.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  70. MajorFail

    Didn't this administration wan't to limit the number of deaths due to a gun?

    More women will die in combat now than the number of deaths due to mass shootings.

    Fail after fail.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Reply
    • Jimmie Russells

      Because only womens' lives are important.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Reply
    • cedar rapids

      thats it? that is your moan?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  71. dadguy

    The quest to undermine military readiness takes a giant leap forward.
    The public had also better prepare themselves for female POW's and the power of the internet.
    It's a sad day.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Reply
  72. lance

    The article did not point out, although other sources did, that there has been no rush by women soldiers to sign up for combat.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Reply
  73. What

    *The Dulcinea Effect

    Apparently, the Israeli army had to confront this issue when they found that for integrated squads, the casualty rate for men was unusually high. The men were throwing themselves into danger to protect their female comrades, entirely for chivalry's sake.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Reply
    • Cindy

      Of course. Because men are falling all over themselves to be polite and chivalrous back at home.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Reply
      • agalag

        Good one, Cindy! I honestly don't think that we will have massive amounts of male soldiers throwing themselves in harm's way for the females. Tough to get a guy to even pick up after himself and he's gonna take a bullet? LOL. Funny stuff.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
  74. vromo

    ...Why does there have to be combat?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Reply
    • BKLNUSMC

      Oil? Money? Corporate profits? Your pension or 401(k). Take your pick.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  75. RedLeg1

    I'm tired of people saying that I'm a bigot because i don't want females in line units. I have no problem with women doing 99.9% of the occupations in the world ... being my foxhole mate isn't one of them. Tell you what ... I’ll make a deal with you Leon ... leave my combat arms alone and females can have the sole rights to being pilots. I have no problem with that ... matter of fact, most stats show that women make better pilots (combat or otherwise) than dudes. No problem talking to a female fly-girl bringing in fire support ... as long as she's not the one responsible for keeping up with my M240B gunner with his ammo.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Reply
    • Kareful-Kay

      You obviously are not enlisted, nor go into combat. The only combat you see is on your television playing Battlefield 3 you gypsy.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
      • RedLeg1

        Wow ... I'm obviously both thank you very much. Fobbit much!

        January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • neednewgov

      foxhole? it seems you are dating yourself. Women can be just as dangerous as guys.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
      • Paul

        If you count "just as dangerous" as cutting a man's junk off when he's drugged and tied up then I'll have to agree.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Ben

      Translation: I'm tired of being called a bigot when I show that I'm a bigot. Everyone feel sorry for me please!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  76. Dave

    So how are they planning to deal with the first cases of rape, torture and/or murder of a woman in Afghanistan? They also will need to find women that are capable of carrying a large male with gear who is wounded and has the physical power and stamina of a combat trained male. I'm all for women's rights and women in the military, but I do not support this. This will be life and death and is no place for this kind of experiment.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Reply
    • sam

      The same way they deal with it now when a female soldier is sexually abused by her unit: cover it up.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • Ben

      Yeah because no women are raped in the military... And anyway, women are already in Afghanistan.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  77. dru

    any before anyone brings up israel and russia in WW2 again, please understand that it was done out of necessity. they need the bodies, plain and simple. we can afford to be more selective, and therefore should make the effort that only the very best make it.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Reply
    • dadguy

      right, and it will likely mean an adjustment of the standards de corps such that male and female combat recruits can graduate together.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  78. Mike

    Can ya at least give them some roids?

    January 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  79. John

    My experience is that females in the military were doing everything they could to get out of work...I never thought they would be fighting for combat positions.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • Scott

      They're not... people outside the military are pushing agenda's.

      So get ready ladies... You get to sign up for the DRAFT! lol

      January 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  80. Tim

    Equality for women is another step forward for the United States as a nation, and another nail into the grave of Republican Theocracy.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • Al

      You sound like you should be a politician...

      January 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Reply
    • John Galt

      The common good over individuals. Hmm... interesting? Sounds like a good idea...

      January 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Reply
  81. pat

    I'm glad to see that bigots are still alive and well in the military.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Reply
  82. What

    Did you know Israeli units that where mixed suffered HIGHER male casualties?
    Go check that out.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Reply
    • Shelter

      yup but ONLY probably because the MEN had to try to SAVE the women....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
      • What

        Watch.
        Death rates of males in mixed units will soar.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
      • BKLNUSMC

        If my lover got hit, I would try to save her too! Case in point, if the chick that I am porking got shot, I would try to rescue her over my buds.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
  83. DeepeThought

    We could not win the Vietnam war due to public resisence in the USA. Just imagine the resistence to combat when it is learned that captured women soldiers are raped daily. Unfortunately, war is necessary sometimes.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Reply
    • pat

      Rape in the military is pretty commonplace and in most instances swept under the rug. What makes you think our military cares if the enemy does this when we turn a blind eye when fellow soldiers do it?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • Scott

        He's talking about our POWs getting raped daily by the enemy... which compares in no way to an general military atmosphere that frankly women shouldn't be a part of and obviously are capable of and every now and then something bad happes.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
      • Stopsign

        Pat – are you in the military or were you ever in the military?

        January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
  84. JFLYS

    I'm a man and protecting women is not my first nature. But seriously, you can't expect the average female to pass the physical requirements of infantry school so what exactly does the military mean when they say they're allowing women into combat. Flying a jet and leading a squad with a ruck sack and SAW are two different things. Most of my male buddies couldn't pass infantry standards.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      CIB holder myself. Couldn't agree more. I'm OK with it. The ones that do make it will be badass and will be able to take care of themselves. Plus, Armor and Artillery still qualify as combat arms and that'll open up. I've got no problem with a woman TC on a 155. A woman at my house rains down fire all the time, whay not let women do it in the Army?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
      • agalag

        You are a good and fair man, Matt. God bless you.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
      • Seadog

        I feel for the enemy that comes under my wife's wraith too Matt.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Most of my male buddies couldn't pass infantry standards'

      then whats the issue?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
      • BKLNUSMC

        Cedar Rapids, it is obvious that you have never been in the military. Do you even know what combat arms means? I too have no problem with women in armor, artillery...but, the infantry is a different story because it is a physical job....and a damn dirty job.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
  85. Pg

    So now that they are allowing women to participate in frontline combat, its strictly the choice of the women.
    How lomg will it be till they sue the us military for allowing them to participate, once lives start to fall

    January 23, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
    • JR

      Front lines???? Are you in WW I?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  86. Travis

    This is stupid. I like how its always some 3rd party interest group or some knucklehead that never set foot in combat that comes up with these ideas. Now I cant speak for other combat arms other than the infantry, thats what I did for 5 years and 2 combat tours. People have to understand that GI Jane does not exist! I for one feel for my brothers who will have to deal with this experiment that just sets the military up for failure. It will cost lives. If you can find a woman that can carry the heaviest man in full gear after a 12k force march in 110 degree heat after bounding through the hills in a react to fire drill then sure but good luck finding one of those. Then you get to hygiene and living with males. Are they gonna say "no we cant set up an outpost here" cause their are not enough facilities to accommodate women? They dont allow Woman to live in the same barracks as men in garrison but its ok in a combat situation? There seems to be a lot of feel good stuff going on here that sounds all good and equal and woman's rights and bla bla bla. I would never join the military at this point, glad I already served.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
    • cedar rapids

      'If you can find a woman that can carry the heaviest man in full gear after a 12k force march in 110 degree heat after bounding through the hills in a react to fire drill then sure but good luck finding one of those.'

      you trying to claim all the guys could do that?

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
      • Travis

        Yes, all the ones I served with

        January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
      • BKLNUSMC

        I agree with Travis. Why? Because if you couldn't do it, they wouldn't even let you in!

        January 23, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  87. John

    A woman on the front lines can't do any worse job than a whiny, male liberal would.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
    • ohmyohmy

      But way better than an brainwashed, idiot Republican.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Reply
    • Shelter

      I bet she CAN do worse when she is RAGGING it on her time of the Month.... Nothing but bad will come from this, but hey women want Equal Rights, so they TOO should be allowed to Serve our Country with Full Support....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  88. D Lewis

    Now we need to change things just a little bit more. REQUIRE ALL FEMALES to have the same responsibilities under law that men have. Require females to register with selective service, participate in any future draft, and serve on the front lines without any female privilege to avoid equal responsibility. When that happens, the country will be less misandrist and females will be closer to equality. Until then, I don't care at all about the females whining about supposed discrimination.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  89. Redeye Dog

    As usual, outgoing SOD needs a feather in his cap. Women in combat was a bad idea yesterday and will be a bad idea tomorrow.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Reply
    • FutureSEAL

      Yeah there is no way a 5'5 110 lb female could keep up with any man in infantry.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  90. Jessica Lynch

    Wait until the first female soldier gets captured or separated from her unit. Then we won't be hearing about Lance Armstrong and Justin Beiber on the news for awhile. And when a team of special forces risks their lives to bring her back from hell, you'll be able to watch the movie on Lifetime. She'll be famous and get a book deal...

    January 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Reply
    • pUCKELS

      Why don't you go live in Saudi Arabia where you belong? You are a MORON.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Reply
    • ALAL

      You are the type of woman who makes a bad name for women. Let me guess, you rely on men for everything and are pathetic and weak???? Thought so.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Reply
  91. Selfish

    Having served during Vietnam a long time ago, I want a male next to me in combat. Not a female and worse, not some 45 year old pudgy male who BSs at the VFW hall. You need order-obeying males at their physically strongest point and not yet mentally afraid. On second thought, if the chips were down and picturing a couple of guys at the hall, I'll take an an able and stong female first.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • Nat Reader

      Good thing you are not part of our current generation.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Reply
  92. Baker

    So does this mean they will have to sign up for the Selective Service too? Only seems fair.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • MindBoggledMan

      This is the first thing I questioned. As someone else pointed out, Women are not too eager to join the service at this point in time. If this measure requires women to register with the selective service– which it should in total fairness–, it would be interesting to see how women to react if the draft was reinstated. Although in all probability, women would be exempt if armed forces felt it jeopardized the moral of the troops.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
  93. Bob

    Female soldier captured by the Taliban..... what comes next? As long as these ladies know what they are in for go for it.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • Nat Reader

      http://www.army.mil/article/54136/

      January 23, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Reply
    • BKLNUSMC

      Gang banged by the Taliban.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
  94. Bill Johnson

    My question......is why the female in the middle of the picture has her ejection port cover closed and the ones on each side of her are open? Attention to detail, son!

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • RedLeg1

      THANK YOU!!!!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • Jon

      Good eyes, sir.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • Joe

      She's the smart one, that way her weapon won't be as dirty!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Reply
      • Bill Johnson

        Nice comment....1: You have obviously never drilled with an M-16 before. 2: You have no respect for attention to detail. 3: I probably wouldn't want you watching my six for any duration of time.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • 0311Vet

      Good eye. BOOM

      January 23, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Reply
    • paintrain

      SAFE-CLEAR-SAFE

      January 23, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      They are performing "inspection arms". If you look at the other two, not only is the ejection port cover open, but the bolt is to the rear. The one in the middle has the ejection port cover closed NOT because she is keeping it clean, but because she is NOT STRONG ENOUGH to pull the charing handle to the rear.....yet somehow is strong enough for combat.

      Sad state of affairs we are in....

      January 23, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • Bill Johnson

        Awesome answer......

        January 23, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
  95. RedLeg1

    OMG!!! Just look at the photo of the female Marines posted with the article if you think this is a good idea!! An entire 100 woman platoon of recruits and my Ruck Sack is heavier than all of them ... and for you non-military types who think I'm being derogatory toward women ... by Ruck Sack I am referring to the pack that I have to live out of for days to weeks at a time...

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • ohmyohmy

      Idiot! Men in Asian armies aren't big like ox...yet they kicked our asses. Hummmmm.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
      • RedLeg1

        Its called muscle mass and boty fat percentage you-hoo! That Korean Marine is 12% body fat at 140lbs ... I really doubt any of those recruits are under 20% ... not their fault ... its just biology.

        January 23, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
      • JR

        Well, when 1 million Asians come running over the moutains I don't think anyone can do much about it. Especially when the politicians tie your hands behind your back. Should of let McArthur have his way

        January 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • RedLeg1

      Mmmm ... well, that just got racist!

      January 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  96. JT

    Get out there and fight, equal doesn't mean just the cushy jobs.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
  97. Chang

    Sign up all my ex-girlfirends, they won't need guns cause their mouths come well equipted. 2 birds with one old stone.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Reply
  98. George McCasland

    OPEN THEM? How about making it the same requirement as they do on men? Further, start requiring women to Register for Selective Service. Most men are not given the choice in the military of whether they will serve combat duty, so it should be the same on the women. Of course than the women will oppose it, just as they oppose being required to register for the Draft.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Reply
    • Baker

      I agree, but the SS and the draft are the same things.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  99. tr0ll

    the girl in the second row of that picture needs to be in horror films, not in the military

    January 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Reply
    • cpc65

      You f@pped. You know you did.

      January 23, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Reply
  100. ConcernedCItizen

    Great now we can have young women chanting kill babies as their marine battle cry....or singing songs about mowing down kids at schools in the middle east as they taught at the core ......sad enough some of my buddies thought it was cool to shoot civilians over there in Iraq...but im sure the news will start leaking that all out real soon ...the truth always comes out.

    January 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Reply
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