December 12th, 2012
07:57 PM ET

North Korea may not have 'full control' of satellite, U.S. official says

By Barbara Starr

There were preliminary signs on Wednesday that North Korea may not be in total control of a satellite less than 24 hours after it was blasted into orbit, a U.S. official told CNN.

"There are some initial indications they might not have full control," the official said of the device that was the payload for North Korea's first successful long-range rocket launch.

The official, who has access to the latest U.S. assessment, declined to be identified by name due to the sensitive nature of the information.

The satellite, described by one U.S. defense official as a rudimentary communications satellite with limited capability, is on a Polar orbit, meaning it is moving between the North and South poles.

Success raises stakes for U.S. missile defense system

 

Since there are issues about control, the United States is not certain the satellite is in a fully stable orbit.

"We don't know. We are still trying to figure that out," the U.S. official said.

However, he also cautioned the satellite could stay in its relatively low altitude orbit for months before either burning up or falling back to Earth.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta alluded to the problem in an interview Wednesday that was to air on CNN's 'Erin Burnett OutFront."

"I think we still have to assess exactly what happened here," Panetta told Burnett in the interview.

Rocket launch causes worries about nukes, Iran and the Pacific

 

Panetta said part of that scrutiny was to look at the final stage that launched the satellite into orbit "to determine whether or not that did work effectively or whether it tumbled into space."

The official cautioned that the North Koreans could resolve whatever technical issues they may be facing. While not necessarily fully handling the satellite, it is not thought to be spinning uncontrollably.

In a key indicator of a potential problem, there was no indication that North Korea's ground control had sent a crucial radio signal to the satellite, the official explained.

That type of signal is expected almost immediately as it is used to order the satellite to deploy solar panels that power its electronics.

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    April 8, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Reply
  2. Jay Dee

    I'd be more worried about a quarterback sneak, i,e., North Korea loading a nuke on another missile claiming it is another long range rocket launch test while it is already enroute to a destination. This guy is like an old western cowboy looking for his last hurrah.

    January 24, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Reply
  3. francoyolo

    why dont they send anyone there to destroy the missles? operation yolo

    January 24, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Reply
  4. outspoken

    I thought those yellow man did send some toys in orbit but it seems to me know that it is real thing.
    there is another dog in the fight.

    December 18, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Reply
  5. Chairman Meow

    War with NK means ~2,000,000 dead South Koreans from automatic northern artillery strikes. That, and who knows China's reaction.

    North Korea needs to be taken out 'quietly'; perhaps via some viral outbreak, genetics manipulation or induced cataclysmic natural disaster (HAARP?).

    December 14, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
  6. Annoymous

    Why take the chance of having them even attempt missile launches this satellite could be a lil out of there control or whatever bull there telling us. but why take the chance to even let them shoot it into space and have it be roaming ? so they can later say we are sorry we didn't expect this to happen after millions of are people die from them attacking us ? i have complete trust that we can defend our self's if a treat were to occur but why even give them the chance ? i say blow the damn thing out of space or disable it completely behind there backs with EMP if it is there first launch then and it is apparently not fully under control then how will they even be able to know if we disable it 100%

    December 14, 2012 at 5:10 am | Reply
  7. Dr.Cultivator

    That rocket is so archaic looking they might as well had shot a 36 buick up there or something.

    December 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Reply
    • jonz

      amen to that doc... what i can't figure out is where did they find anyone tall enough to run up there and light the fuse...?

      December 18, 2012 at 7:51 am | Reply
  8. EMP

    All they have to do is launch a nuke into orbit over the US and detonate it creating an EMP. In theory, it would knock out all electronics that are not hardened against EMP, effectively shutting down the country. That should be the main concern.

    December 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Reply
    • No_Name

      It would take rather more then a single, low yield, atomic weapon, to emit an EMP that is powerful enough to KO the entire country.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:12 am | Reply
  9. MAYOMANN

    Wait for it, Kim Juag yohoo is going to jump out of it and break the skydiving record

    December 13, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Reply
  10. Bill FFX

    I shot an arrow in the air.........

    December 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  11. gus1117

    its probably not even an active satalite, just an uncontrolled hollow shell.thats probably why no controll signal was sent.
    they only wanted to test a long range missle but are using the satalite as an excuse

    December 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Reply
  12. us_1776

    Sorry warmongerers, the Treasury is now closed.

    .

    December 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Reply
    • wilburf

      stupid comment alert

      December 13, 2012 at 6:06 pm | Reply
  13. Basher

    Or they planned it that way so they could disrupt other satellites.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Reply
    • Dandy

      Remember that spy plane we just launched recently that looks like one of those whoa fully obsolete space shuttles ... well perhaps it needed a target and the NK decided to help us out.. ?? ;-)

      December 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm | Reply
  14. guest

    You mean NK sent a satellite up there and we made it out of control???? hmmmm.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Reply
    • wilburf

      stupid comment alert

      December 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  15. Lifes short

    Waste more of that Chinese money. Keep trying. Cheers.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Reply
  16. billy knows

    This satellite is actually a golf ball hit by Jung's grandfather at the 1984 Long Drive Championship. It is widely known that he was perhaps the worlds best golfer, firing a 53 the first time he played featuring 5 hole-in-ones with several lip outs during that historic 18 hole round. Although small in stature he certainly could hit it a "mile or two". Rumor has it, there are several other of his tee shots still in orbit accounting for about 80% of the present day space junk. Isn't it about time he is voted into Golfs Hall of Fame.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Reply
    • Robert

      Actually, the legend spread to the masses is that he Aced out the 18 holes on his first ever outing.

      December 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Reply
  17. Old news

    Wow! North Korea can finally do what many other nations have been able to do since the early 1960's: launch a satellite. If North Korea really wants to impress us, they should try something that most other nations mastered long ago: feed its own population. Instead if devoting its limited resources to get bragging rights over South Korea (which plans to launch a satellite soon), North Korea should look at the big picture. Launching a satellite while its people starve only makes the North Korean government look vain and silly. How sad.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Reply
    • Just a thought

      Have you noticed the food shortage in America lately. We have Children and Old people going hungry here too.

      December 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  18. George

    Now really - are you surprised that it's out of control???

    December 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  19. palintwit

    We should hire North Korea to nuke each and every trailer park south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Voila! No more teabaggers!

    December 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  20. Grim

    All I know is when a dictator launches a rocket you better pay attention, now it seems they may be inept too, double trouble.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Reply
  21. Shelby

    "rudimentary communications satellite with limited capability"

    It's their first satellite. A snarky reply like this by a "U.S. defense official" sounds like Kruschev's taunts after Explorer 1 was launched. Just acknowledge the benchmark without editorializing. It's unbecoming and sounds paranoid.

    December 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Reply
    • MC

      Uh, it' just a fact, dimwit. You can't "acknowledge the benchmark" without saying what the benchmark is.

      What a freak.

      December 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
    • Dandy

      In the meantime we get our astronauts to the space station via a taxi ride via Russian rockets .. yeah, sure.. we are advanced. :-( In breaking news, Ford Motor Company re-introduces the Model T..

      December 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  22. Alfred E. Neuman

    So which is it? On the one hand the satellite may be in trouble on the other hand we just don't know.

    December 13, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Reply
    • rafael

      I guess you don't understand the nature of evidence and how conclusions are drawn.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Reply
    • Kay

      Saying "it *MAY* be in trouble, but we just don't know" doesn't sound contradictory to me. Why does it to you? Just curious.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Reply
  23. Alfred E. Neuman

    x

    December 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm | Reply
  24. unconcerned

    Am I the only one who's not really concerned after this launch? Maybe I'm ignorant, but my anxiety level didn't shoot up following this launch. To me, this just seems like baby in the corner screaming for attention. Now I ask this honestly: do we have any indication that Kim will use ICBMs against us or our allies?

    December 13, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Reply
    • JimR

      It's people like you who will shout the loudest when something does happen as to why nobody did anything. The big concern is what will N.Korea do? If they are, like you, "Unconcerned" about the Satellite being unstable in orbit, then the answer is clear.

      December 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Reply
    • Kay

      I'm not concerned about the launch, either. Theere's absolutely nothing that I can do about it, so why should I get stressed about it?

      And the fact that they *finally* got a rocket to actually work doesn't mean they've suddenly become any more of a threat than they were before.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Reply
    • dt

      No, your not. The Germans designed and built rudimentary ballistic missiles in 1944 that were very advanced for their time while their factories were being bombed nightly. Their guidance was immature but with GPS this issue is pretty trivial now if your target is a static structure. If North Korea wants to behave as they have they will ultimately find themselves surrounded by very hostile neighbors – much more than today. We should just watch and wait.

      December 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  25. Miyafuji

    Also in the article it says assess, isn't it access?

    December 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Reply
    • Miyafuji

      Oh shoot... never mind. I wish i could delete that comment.

      December 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  26. PA_Astronomer

    Late-breaking hubble space telescope images of the wayward satellite revealed Thursday that the new North Korean space asset is actually a 25kg ball of wadded up aluminum foil with 7 helium balloons attached to it.

    December 13, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    • ash

      now that is funny

      December 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Reply
  27. Big Mike

    Well,like someone commented,we shouldn't get our panties in a knot quite yet.Getting something into orbit is only half the problem.Getting it back down is another-you need a re-entry vehicle to deliver a bomb to the target.

    December 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
    • JimR

      Except that for a ICBM, you don't really need it to go into space, since the whole idea is for it to come back down!

      December 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Reply
      • Jim

        Uh-no. Actually, that is the idea. You launch the rocket into space in a massive arc over the planet. That way it strikes it's target from as sharp an angle as possible.
        Bear in mind, ICBMs were around before the advent of integrated missle defense systems like the aegis cruiser.

        December 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • MC

        ICBM's do launch into space, dimwit.

        December 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  28. Badly-Bent

    Just maybe, they will know more about the magnetic fields than anybody else? More aurora borealis for Kim!

    December 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  29. ramble3144

    Obama is also partly out of control.

    December 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • Ramble or Rubbish?

      Why do conservatives bring President Obama into *every* discussion about any topic? That's so very weird. Seek help, son. There are very good meds for your condition.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  30. Boba

    What?? Something probably went down in their vintage control room. Hopefully the solar panels aren't working so the thing doesn't flail out of control too long and cause damage.

    December 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    • runswithbeer

      not a coincidence that the US Air Force sent up the Space Shuttle on the same day.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  31. make yer jump!

    Any moment we're going to see some poor North Korean slave dive off the satellite for what will be the highest space jump to date...Kim Jung is just trying to clench the world record from Felix Baumgartner, and show the world how totally rad North Korea is!

    December 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
    • Boba

      My money is on one of those underground unicorns.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
    • A Reply to

      Some bowl-cut heads will roll when that guy simply stays up there drifting away from the satellite... in orbit... whizzing from pole to pole and back again at 17,000 miles per hour

      December 13, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  32. Joe M

    What makes them think North Korea has any intention of actually controlling the satellite? If the working theory is that the satellite launch was simply a cover for the long-range missile test, then NK probably does not care what happens to the satellite one way or another.

    December 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
    • Rocco Santana

      Agree.

      I saw this in a moveie once. The satellite is actually "a shoddy bomb casing, filled with used pinball machine parts."

      Anyone?

      December 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
      • Putz

        But did the rocket have a flux-time capacitor and was it built out of a DeLorean?

        December 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  33. rafael

    Wow USA knows everything around the world,what a smart country and peoples,it is Increable how the USA Gouverment
    Wants everybody around the world to believe in everything they say.it is as if we the rest of peoples around the world need and have to Agreed with all the Crap that Americans says,the Americans are very wrong they think that we still in the 70s,80s.

    December 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • Bryansco

      Dude, the US has rover ont he planet of MARS!!! I think we know more than others when it comes to satellites and putting things into space. We may not be perfect but compared to N. Korea who is doing this for the FIRST time, again, I think we are more knowledgeable.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
    • Mike Mc

      No, I think the US is just pointing out the obvious. North Korea doesn't really have fulll functional control of their satellite. This is something the US can determine.

      It's not an edict, just a statement of the present situation.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Reply
    • Archfiend

      Spell much? Fool!!!

      December 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Reply
    • Doctor Evil

      Huh?? The North Koreans, with theit Sputnik-like launch, are 55 years behind the Private US company SpaceX.....

      December 13, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • phearis

      I believe you should use spell check. Am I wrong?

      December 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
      • Crow

        ONT: Optical Network Terminal An ONT is a media converter that is installed by Verizon either outside or inside your premises, during FiOS ... Copyright 2011 THEIT Designs All Rights Reserved.

        The spelling was fine the grammar atrocious.

        December 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
      • Putz

        I don't know, Crow. I think Rafael's grammar and spelling issues are legitimate. Notice the odd capitalization and the weird spelling of 'government'...sort of a cross of Germanic/Slavic noun capitalization and mis-understood spelling variations between Queen's English and US English. ...I think 'Rafael' is an online Alias for Kim Jung Un. He did say, "WE still in the 70s,80s" No Kim...we do not think you're in the '70's yet.

        December 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Brian P

      An out of control satellite can become a hazard to other satellites in Space.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • Bogden8762

      The words are all English (mostly, allowing for misspellings), but they don't make much sense arranged in that particular sequence. The poster thinks the USA sucks, I guess? Because the USA, well, I can't really tell why the poster thinks the USA sucks.

      December 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  34. FRANK!

    It's time to show Kim Jung Un and his hungry North Korean Army OUR missile capabilities and blow that sucker into dust.

    December 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Reply
    • dana

      Why is war your international policy? Perhaps a policy of peace is in order. War certainly hasn't worked.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
      • Erik

        Mind your business Dana

        December 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • lucianne

        Attention Erik: Assuming Dana lives on the planet Earth, this is her business. Assuming you do, perhaps you should move to another planet, because we certainly do not need more war freaks.

        December 13, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
      • Bryansco

        Dana, I agree with you to a certain extent. There will always be people who want to rule the world and they will do whatever they have to do to gain that control. There are many power hungry people and that will NEVER go away. You want people to live in a fantasy world, which I wish it was that way but it will not!

        December 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • Doctor Evil

        Dana: Its fun.

        December 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
      • Willy

        War and destruction is never desirable. I do find it interesting that USA, Russia, China and other countries that have nukes have the power to make other countries into radioactive dust piles in a matter of minutes but they have not done so. If those countries acted like some of these little countries that are acting like spoiled brats they would not hesitate to use such weapons. This would not be a war though. Boom, boom, boom! silence. Not a war.

        December 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  35. Whome

    Remember the last time we went to war with Korea, we lost, and Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq was certainly no resounding victory.

    December 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply
    • FRANK!

      "Winning" in Korea would have meant going to war with China, and that would have been a very bad idea since they like having N. Korea as a buffer state.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Reply
      • Star-Spangled Bullsh!t

        With 500,000 + casulaties for China, I'd say they were deeply involved.

        December 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Rose

      If you remember correctly, during the Korean War, the Soviet Union and the Chinese help and supplied North Korea with ammo and whatever needs they needed. It was not just the US fight the North Korean's, we were also against Soviet Union and China. Please read your facts before making statements.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
      • Star-Spangled Bullsh!t

        Toatl UN dead; 178,698 – of which 36,940 were American.
        Total UN wounded; 550,022 – of which 92,134 were American.

        December 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • JWD

      Let's revisit history. On the orders of Russia and China the North Koreans invaded South Korea. The US and the troops of the UN soundly defeated the North Koreans and pushed them back across the 38 parallell. Then the Chinese sent a few hundred thousand troops across the Yalu river and kept the war going until their ultimate defeat. MacArthur asked to use nuclear weapons against the Chinese who instigated the war, and were the "real" enemy. Too bad Truman didn't allow him to wipe the Chinese out in the early fifties, it only delays the inevitable reckoning the Chinese have brought upon themselves.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Reply
      • Putz

        You know JWD, you put the point of war in fine context. Now, I'm not saying I am particularly fond of war. However, I do know that any General/Military leader believes IF (the 'if' needs to be a big 'if' with all other options failed) you ARE going to go to war, then you do it to win. The longer you draw it out (Nam, Korea, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan...and more on the way when a democratic society is gun shy about this fact) the more both sides lose. There is something to be said for playing your biggest guns early on if you want the enemy to stand down and desist. In fact, in that context, we have the capacity to refrain from involving a single one of our soldiers...The war would be over almost immediately. The problem with that of course is that none of us like unfair advantages, bullies, or innocents sacrificed. Hence my own aversion to war. But again, IF you ARE involved in a war, do it to win, and win it quickly so your side doesn't suffer (casualties, economically, socially, psychologically, etc).

        December 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Crow

      The US and it's allies did NOT lose the Korean War. We brokered a ceasefire and set up a buffer zone between the North and South. The Korean War itself is still officially a war.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • paul321

      The last time the United Nations (some 20 countries of which the US provided aproximately 88% of the troops) went to war with N Korea we STOPPED.

      December 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  36. Whome

    Partly out of control, is that like being kind of pregnant?

    December 13, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply
    • J

      Actually No. When your car starts to slide on the ice, do you cover your eyes and wait for the crash? (I hope not.) Flying a satellite can at times be a very hands-on operation, and until it crashes...it hasn't crashed yet.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Reply
    • Knucklehead

      No...more like being partly drunk...I mean party drulunk....I mean...

      December 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
    • Huck Finn

      Actually, it's more like being a nudist in San Francisco

      December 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
  37. Decompensating Kim

    If the crazies in North Korea ever shoot a nuclear missle at Seoul or Tokyo because its leader forgot to take his medication, everyone will be asking why someone didn't do a surgical strike on its nuclear facilities and liberated these folks from their brutal regime. Very few times in history was a preemptive strike ethical, but I fear this may be a case where it might be..

    December 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
    • Knucklehead

      Right...China and the rest of the world would have no problem with that...it's not as complicated as people like to make it out to be...just give them a little "shock and awe" and the people will welcome us with open arms...you should be Sec'y of State...

      December 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • Brain Hertz

      ...and the answer to that question is that NK has a very large number of well-hidden and well-distributed conventional artillery pieces all along the DMZ that could cause mass casualties in Seoul long before we could take them all out. A "surgical strike" might sound like a great idea if you don't happen to be living within range of their artillery, but it wouldn't end well.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Reply
  38. Mike

    Great Job North Korea!

    Now what's for Dinner?

    Oh, that's right you are all starving because you blow money on the fat kid's hobbies.

    December 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    • bob mackay

      i thought maybe your comment was about Unired Ststes "defense" (when was the last time any country attacked us?) spending, We ALSO spend much much more on building missiles and weapons, than we do on feeding the hungry in this country, helping America's poor, building schools, etc. So why shouldn't other countries follow our lead?

      December 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
      • Guest

        Actually, Bob, as a percentage of GDP we're below a lot of other countries in terms of defense expenditure. We spend a lot in straight comparison with other nations but I can see why you'd leave that little tidbit out. It probably messes too much with the worldview that you have no intention of changing.

        December 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
      • Jason

        Name a country (other than North Korea) outside of the middle east that spends more on the military than the US? Oh, you can't. But way to try to deflect from his valid point that we spend way too much on the military.

        December 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
      • Putz

        Uh...Jason...he said "as a percentage". Or did you miss that part? His is also a valid point. You would expect the largest GDP (although soon to fall behind China as the 2nd largest GDP) the US would naturally also spend a heck of a lot of money on defense...as the largest GDP, it would be likely to expect it to be the greatest numerical amount for defense too. But as far as his point was stated, "as a percentage" he's quite accurate.

        December 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Rose

      OMG...To funny

      December 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Reply
  39. aktap

    It really blows my mind reading these post, Yes we have been at War with north Korea for all most 70 years now! there has never been a peace treaty between the USA and the North. its our longest war, its not a policing action! all that's stopping the fighting was a deal cut back in the 1950's at the U,N too stop the killing. If I remember right, it was in 1979 that the last American serviceman was killed there? but many more have been wounded over the decades, the North never has stopped trying to kill Americans any time they get the chance. Sadly even in the South, the Koreans pop charts are full of songs about killing U,S servicemen and gutting hole American families! Songs like that are not the odd ducks of the group ether, they're the number one hit songs in that country! And That's South Korea no less a place by the way, that our American elites rebuilt from ash's with American blood and by shipping millions of middle class jobs too! O but they do love our leaders you say! but buddy they hate and want to kill me and you Joe six pack! Guys its time we let China handle its own dysfunctional family problems, the Korea war would be over along time ago but for China's cultural fingers in that pie. And yes We tried very hard to help them to have a democracy! but you can't save people hate you, who openly sing of killing your wife and kids! and that's just the guys on our side? Green on blue is nothing new! its time our children and money come home and the to hell with the Korea's and China too!

    December 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
    • Sean

      Holy xenophobia! Almost everything in your post is wrong!

      December 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Reply
  40. guest

    Is it going to fall on 12/21/2012. Yikes????

    December 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
    • A Reply to

      It's full of Jong spores.

      December 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  41. CommonSensed

    If the satellite drops onto US soil (yes – a very small chance given the surface area of the earth) then we should consider it an act of war and drop a few missiles on their launch sites.

    December 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Reply
    • John

      How about we not drop missiles on them and instead put the money down towards the debt, or I dunno, feeding the poor or doing something good for society. :p The last thing the US needs is yet another war that drains more resources out of the country. History should have taught us that too many wars over too short a period has been the downfall of many countries and/or empires.

      December 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
    • Michael

      I've never seen any country "drop a missle" on an enemy. Is that some kind of Black Project ?? Sheesh ....

      December 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Reply
    • Putz

      No, but we could pull an Iran even if it didn't land on our soil and claim we've reversed engineered it. Oh...wait...we already have toasters.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Reply
  42. A

    Remember that mysterious space plane we launched a few days ago? Coincidence? I don't think so.

    December 13, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
    • Guesteppi

      huh?

      December 13, 2012 at 11:35 am | Reply
      • po

        woosh

        December 13, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Lee Enfield

      That was just the aliens returning home.

      December 13, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply
  43. more2bits

    It's probably deliberate as the satellite is actually a nuclear bomb designed to fall out of orbit right onto the Pentagon in DC. Afterwards NK will say it was an accident from an unstable orbit. Yeah right.

    December 13, 2012 at 11:08 am | Reply
    • Brian P

      The satellite is already in an orbit that can't change very easily because it requires huge amounts of fuel. If its orbital path isn't over an area of concern, then it will never be. To use a satellite as a space weapon, it would have to be parked in a geosynchronous orbit. Space weapons have be banned with the SALT treaty, and if any country put one in space, that would be considered an act of war. This satellite is none of these things, and North Korea wouldn't have the sophistication to do it. We don't even have one.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
      • musmess

        As the satellite is in a polar orbit, every part of the world will be in its path at some point. It might take awhile until the right part comes up, but if its a FOBS, we'll find out soon enough.

        December 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Mike

      Delivering nuclear weapons from orbit has been considered before. The Soviets had such a system (FOBS) in the 1960s that would allow weapons to approach the US from the south, rather than over the north pole, to avoid ground-based US/Canadian detection systems. However, placing a bomb in orbit and then deorbiting it on command with any accuracy is well beyond NK's reach for several reasons. First, the weight that must be put in orbit is greater, as they need a precision control deorbit engine and guidance system. Second, terminal accuracy of deorbit systems requires a world-wide network of ground-based sensors as well as very precise inertial guidance system (GPS doesn't cut it) to have any chance of hitting a target smaller than a major city. Third, the reliability of a nuclear weapon after cold storage in space is unknown. Dropping a dud nuclear weapon in Ontario or Pennsylvania would be the end of the DPRK, as would an "accidental" deorbit on or near any populated land mass on the planet.

      December 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
  44. Dave

    Let's hope it doesn't crash into some mini van of kids driving down the highway.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
    • Hoser

      The NK's have already said that they are having it land in Iran so that the Iraians can see what a great job they did and buy some from them

      December 13, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply
  45. Slightly Pregnant?

    Partially OUT OF CONTROL!

    December 13, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
    • crsmith12

      Yeah. kinda like my kids.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
  46. CynicalOptimist

    Maybe it only looks like a satellite, but in reality is the equivalence of catapulting a big rock into space and having it crash down. Maybe even a strategically placed crash.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • stina

      It's very hard to have a controlled de-orbit due to variations in the upper atmosphere and ionosphere. Even NASA can't predict where something will land with high accuracy. The best one can get is usually 'in the ocean somewhere'.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:58 am | Reply
      • BPETERSELL

        DOES NK HAVE RTG TECHNOLOGY. REMEMBER THE RUSSAN RORSAT THAT CRASHED IN CANADA BACK IN THE 70'S.

        December 13, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Tom

      Maybe it's Sputnik. Maybe Putin sold it to NK for a billion and they shot it into space. They probably don't have the capacity to produce an actual satellite.

      Or maybe it's a flashing neon sign "Eat at Joe's". The article said it's a primitive communications device. That would fit the bill.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Reply
  47. St Xavier

    This inaffective success was expected to happen, here is a simple way to explane what North Korea has acomplushed, compairing Norht Korea to early cave man when the cave man made his first sling shot an lounch a rock off into the sky. North Korea has a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to go to be any real danger to the US. Whats so sad about this lounch is it took food away from the Norht Korean people. It says a lot about shelfish an greedy people who want POWER an will sacrifice their own people to get an hold on to it.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:29 am | Reply
    • Ya gotta love you Republiturd's hypocrisy

      It's the NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT'S responsibility to feed their people instead of "defending their country" but suggest that we take money from OUR defense budget to pay for more Food Stamps here in the United States and you'd be screaming bloody fecal murder!

      You know you would.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • wjmccartan

      I agree that America doesn't have to worry about North Korea, but the white house probably thinks South Korea may have something to worry about. That's the danger when tools like unpuckchuckduck get weapons like the one they've just tested.

      December 13, 2012 at 11:17 am | Reply
  48. BenjaminsWorking

    Enough of the lies about the Wars being republican.

    Afghan war received 100% Senate Support
    Iraq war 37 of the 49 Dems voted for it.

    Stop being sheep, you act like the two parties are different. They are the same. Clean it up people, clean it up.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:28 am | Reply
    • BenjaminsWorking

      Only difference with Egypt, Libya, & Syria is we have a goon who thinks he's a Monarch and skipped Congress.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
      • Howie

        Exactly what Bush did with Iraq. Congress was not consulted until after the fact.

        December 13, 2012 at 11:10 am |
      • wjmccartan

        America has a goon like that and his name is Boehner....

        December 13, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • Matt

        this goon is better than the grimy used car salesman that ran againist him

        December 13, 2012 at 11:22 am |
      • muri

        Might want to read up on the protocol for War Powers Resolution. While I completely agree that we had no place sticking our nose in there, the POTUS acted well within the boundries of legality.

        But you know, facts are such inconvenient things to manage.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
      • Putz

        LOL, Muri! You and I are very like-minded on this.

        December 13, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • DuckPhart

      Shut it crybaby.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
  49. Strikeforce

    So now serious question. If this contraption from the 50's that NK sent up falls apart and crashes somewhere in the USA does that count as an act of war?

    December 13, 2012 at 10:27 am | Reply
    • swohio

      Would it count as an act of war if one of Russia's satellites fell apart and crashed in the U.S.? Or if one of ours fell apart and crashed in Russia?

      December 13, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
    • David

      Irreverent, seeing as we're already at war.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:39 am | Reply
      • DuckPhart

        "irreverent"?

        How so?

        December 13, 2012 at 10:48 am |
      • Jamie

        Do you mean irrelevant? Pleas do not troll drunk .

        December 13, 2012 at 10:49 am |
      • Star-Spangled Bullsh!t

        Really? With whom? Where was the formal declaration? Nice malapropism, though.

        December 13, 2012 at 11:03 am |
      • WDS

        "Really? With whom?"

        Look up the Korean War. It never was finally settled and there is currently just a cease fire between the US/ROK and NK. I guess it really is the forgotten war...

        December 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
      • Pat

        Actually, the US never declared war against North Korea. Our intervention there was the result of a Presidential Executive Order with the subsequent approval of Congress. The cease fire agreement in 1953 thus officially ended open hostilities between North Korea/China and the US. However, South Korea still remains officially at war with the North, as they did declare war and never signed a peace treaty.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
      • Star-Spangled Bullsh!t

        If I'm not mistaken, the euphemism for the Korean War was "police action."

        December 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  50. pimpdaddy

    I hope that SON OF A GUN FALLS OUT OF THE SKY and SMASHES THEM ON THE HEAD.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:01 am | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      Look Up: Range Trajectories And You

      Stooge.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply
  51. Ari for Peace

    Ronald Reagan when meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev said something to the effect that if martians were to attack, the USA and Russia would be allys. It would make more sense for every nation in the world to develop and contribute a UN administered World Missle Defense System that would protect every nation against attack. These nations incude Iran, North Korea, or any other unstable nation. Also, this should protect the Super Powers against another Super Power threatening it with weapons of mass destruction. Additionally, the system might have applications from defending US from Extra-terrestrial threats like comets, asteroids, and other risks.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • Michael Schafer

      You're talking about something like major computer from this movie. And look what happened there. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Exactly whom do you suggest would have 'control' of this defense system?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forbin_Project

      December 13, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
    • bill.x

      Too late. Those ET Republicans have already taken over a great deal of the USA.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:15 am | Reply
      • Dave

        You are un Fn real....please if you don't already, move to Canada.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Bill

      You want the UN to administer it?. That is a true recipe for disaster

      December 13, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
      • ROCKET MAN

        yes – lets let the UN handle this situation...I am sure it will be a success now

        December 13, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Lee Enfield

      If the UN were to be the administrators of a global missile defense system, they would deploy the components around the world, paint them white with little powder blue tops, then have them sit around and do nothing while the world went to hell in a hand-basket around it.

      December 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
    • Bob Bales

      It would defend every nation that its controllers at the UN decided to defend.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • Putz

      Boys, Boys, Boys! I think he's got a sincere thought, misguided as it may be. Essentially, you're saying, build Iron Domes for all nations, AND! It can double against natural threats as well. Good idea...in its basics. Every nation's citizens deserve defense against missiles/attacks/asteroids. The problem is what the rest of your responders have said about managing it (even if it was an automated system for defense, whomever funds, controls.) In addition, you're categorically stating that each nation and their associated borders would hence forth be locked in position. Well...that my friend, for now, is a very big pipe-dream. We still have MANY areas where territory is disputed...and that's aside from philosophical, economical, governmental and societal changes within a nation...see: break up of USSR.

      December 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Reply
  52. Logic

    Yo, NK, Russia is calling, they want Sputnik back.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      Sputnik was a success.

      Your post is a failure.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
  53. jim

    Please...The US had multiple ships and satellites watching the rocket. They new exactly when it launched.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
  54. Dave

    Placing a satellite in orbit was not their primary concern...so do you thing NK really cares? The ICBM works...that is what they really care about.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • tajw

      Another thing not made clear in this article is that 'communication' satellites are rarely put in a polar orbit. They are normally in a geosynchronos orbit (22,300 miles in space at the equator). Polar orbits are typically reserved for what are referred to as 'spy' satellites. And while a launch system designed to put a satellite in orbit could be used to deploy a nuclear weapon, that's probably not what North Korea was testing with this launch.

      It's still something we need to be very concerned about, both from the perspective of what was actually deployed and what could be. North Korea is very much a rogue nation, and nothing they do in this arena is benign.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:23 am | Reply
      • Putz

        Nail on the head. Notice also that it says our government has not detected any signal being sent from NK yet? They say that is the sign there may be trouble because a signal would be sent to open solar panels or...SOMETHING! if it was a legitimate communications satellite. Perhaps it's so old tech/poor design it's just supposed to take a sweeping ping of the entire planet as it rotates underneath this satellite running from north to south. But really, this screams of 'hoax' when it comes to the actual 'satellite' that they were attempting to launch. (Bet they didn't think we'd be listening for some sort of command signal...)

        December 13, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
  55. w5cdt

    Looks like the Radio Shack kit is acting up.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:34 am | Reply
  56. Jack

    North Korea may not have 'full control' of satellite, U.S. official says

    By Barbara Starr

    There were preliminary signs on Wednesday that North Korea may not be in total control of a satellite less than 24 hours after it was blasted into orbit, a U.S. official told CNN.

    "There are some initial indications they might not have full control," the official said of the device that was the payload for North Korea's first successful long-range rocket launch.

    Do we need to be told the same thing 3 times? Do you have a word quota or something? If this was for a college assignment you were get a 'C', if the teacher felt generous.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
  57. bspurloc

    i thought "WE" said no satellite was places on the rocket...
    so what is it that was deployed? Unicorns?

    December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
    • Jack

      No one has said they did not send a satellite. What has been said is that the satellite launch is really only being conducted to test their long range missile capability.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:35 am | Reply
  58. Sagebrush Shorty

    The whole world is out of control, not just North Korea.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      But if we can focus on another "bad guy", we dont have to address the issues we CAN control.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
  59. Propaganda

    This article is nothing but lies. NASA and the USAF know every single detail concerning this satellite. Hypothetically if they didn't, everyone should stop paying taxes. Even though this is nothing but propaganda, it makes our military look incompetent.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
    • Sigh... yet another consiracy theorist

      You do have a reliable source, don't you? I didn't think so.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:11 am | Reply
      • DuckPhart

        Whats a "consiracy theorist"?

        Your screen name is a failure.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Jack

      You are an idiot. Nasa is not paid to track anything other countries are doing.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
      • vbscript2

        Actually they are (at least NORAD is.) They do indeed track every object known to be orbiting the earth. However, 'tracking' and 'knowing every detail about' are two very different things.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • w5cdt

      Three-line orbital element sets available for downloading now.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
  60. Dustin

    Welcome to the 50s North Korea!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
  61. humanbean

    This launch had nothing to do with putting some crude satellite into orbit. Why waste resources like that? No, it was done under a disguise to something much bigger. The testing of a long range ballistic missile performed right out in front of the whole world.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • mike

      In order to deliver a warhead, the rocket must be capable of putting the warhead into orbit

      December 13, 2012 at 9:07 am | Reply
      • vbscript2

        Umm... no. If it put the warhead in orbit, it wouldn't fall. All rockets can deliver warheads. They only questions are how heavy of a warhead they can deliver and how far they can deliver it. Attaining orbit is neither necessary nor desired when launching a warhead. The trajectories are completely different.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • bspurloc

      odd.... cuz before the launch it was reported no satellite was placed on the rocket..... so what is it then? food crate we sent them?

      December 13, 2012 at 9:16 am | Reply
  62. wjmccartan

    Finally the North Koreans have a weapon to defeat Mothra and Godzilla, they had me worried for a second. I still think their going to need more fire power thought if their going to defeat the Power Rangers.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:42 am | Reply
  63. M

    Faulty. Great. Because the money it took could have fed.......worthless people.

    Rise up already.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:39 am | Reply
  64. northerstar

    NK has no interest in the satelite. They only wanted to launch a rocket and used the satelite as justification. If they really wanted to ONLY put a satelite into orbit; there are plenty of commercial companies that could do that or other countries that could. For a country that is starving its citizens to death, money could be spent in other ways if they really wanted to. This launch is part of NK long term goal to be a NUKE power with the ability to deliver the NUKE anywhere it wants to.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:38 am | Reply
  65. jorge washinsen

    We might as well get use to the fact that we have peddled this information around the world and might as well get use to it being used against us.The more Democracy we spread the weaker we get.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:33 am | Reply
  66. jorge washinsen

    The North Koreans probably have a space Czar,or did have until recent happenings.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:30 am | Reply
  67. jorge washinsen

    There was a time we did not have complete control of things,then we did,now it is gone again.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      You are delusional if you think any country can take control of the entire world.

      EVER.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
  68. DC Observer

    Not in "full control" OMG Lindsey Lohan is driving the satellite!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:24 am | Reply
    • Putz

      Bravo! (Actually, this makes me think of 'Big Bang' when Howard crashed the Mars rover. Did Kim have a 'friend' tour the facility with him?)

      December 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  69. merlinfire

    Didn't we in the US use the space program in the early days to further rocket tech that could be used militarily? Odd how we then condemn other countries for doing the same thing we have done.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:22 am | Reply
    • northerstar

      Possibly the rocket technology could have dual purposes. However the US was in a race with the Soviets who had already launched a satelite into space. WHO is NK is a race with. They could be spending the money on FOOD for their people who are starved to the point that they are nationally several inches shorter than they should be.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:41 am | Reply
    • Gas Predictor

      The U.S. in an era of great prosperity and economic growth channeled some of its technology into a space program which did, as you say, have military applications.

      North Korea in an era of famine and humanitarian catastrophe begs international aid and can feed its own population a starvation diet only on handouts from China insists on using some of its meager resources to develop nuclear weapons and a space program that it doesn't need.

      No, it's not the same thing that we did.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
      • David in FL

        well said

        December 13, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • vbscript2

      Actually, it was more the other way around. We used the technology that we developed for ICBM's to start the civilian space program. The Mercury missions were all essentially launched by ICBM's. Both us and Russia still use old ICBM's to launch commercial satellites into orbit.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
      • DuckPhart

        Indeed.

        The German scientists who created the V-1/V-2 rockets used in WWII were tapped to evolve those simple designs into the Redstone and other launch vehicles.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:56 am |
      • Michael

        @DuckPhart – With all due respect, the V1 was a pulse jet powered semi-autonomous bomb whereas the V2 was a true ballistic missle. The Redstone rocket that launched Shephard and Grissom on suborbital flights was a direct decendant of the V2.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  70. FreddyKrooger

    Uh oh, Some North Korean rocket scientist is going to get executed for this screwup, lol

    December 13, 2012 at 8:20 am | Reply
  71. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Prior to NK's previous attempted launch which failed, the U.S stated that all of NK's previous attempted launch was followed by an underground nuclear test. However, to my knowledge, this did not happen prior to or after the previous launch. Perhaps this launch is for peaceful purposes and has nothing to do with future attempts by NK to attach a nuclear warhead. I believe its important for the U.S. and the international community to try to establish dialogue with the young leader first before isolating and alienating NK further by establishing more sanctions.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply
    • Greg

      Launching satellites into space does not require ballistic missile technology.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
      • soulcatcher

        What other ways are there to deploy a satellite into space?

        Warp drive?
        Balloon?
        Flapping wings?
        On the back of a Jet Airline?
        Illustrius leader wishing it into space?

        December 13, 2012 at 8:44 am |
      • Gas Predictor

        Launching satellites into space _IS_ ballistic missile technology.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:53 am |
      • J

        So a rocket is...what? With our current technology, a ballistic missile is the ONLY way we get into space. Or until recently, two missiles with a big fuel tank between them.

        December 13, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • northerstar

      The Nuke test did take place.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:42 am | Reply
    • eric

      you can't negotiate with a madman, this one is just as crazy as his father.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:29 am | Reply
  72. Bart Fargo

    And what if the satellite has no solar panels?

    December 13, 2012 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • macinator1177

      Then it will be a very short lived sat.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:04 am | Reply
    • bob

      It won't be able to charge it's fuel cells with solar power and will die.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:12 am | Reply
      • kip

        fuel cells run on oxygen and hydrogen. solar not required

        December 13, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • ChiefGunner

      Without power it is simply a piece of space debris.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply
    • 4th wright

      That's certainly a possibility. Sputnik had no solar panels. It may be designed to be short-lived.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:20 am | Reply
      • DuckPhart

        Sputnik did not recharge

        December 13, 2012 at 10:45 am |
      • PaddingtonPoohBear

        Where did he say that Sputnik recharged? As much as you say people's posts or their screen names "fail" and given the number of times you have posted I'd have to call THAT a failure – Mr. "DuckPhart" =P Lighten up!

        December 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Jerry

      Really. A satellite doesn't need extensible solar panels to operate; many simply have the outer surfaces covered in solar cells.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:25 am | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      Its an expensive Yugo.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:51 am | Reply
  73. 60percentstupid

    This is a big deal and I am concerned about this launch only in that it demonstrates North Korea can launch a satellite into orbit. With a nuke or chemical warhead onboard, you could orbit a few revolutions around the earth, deorbit at the right place, and hit anywhere desired on the continental United States with a bad version of Gap Band's "You Dropped The Bomb on Me".

    December 13, 2012 at 6:52 am | Reply
    • Brian

      While this is true, North Korea is not completely stupid. Maniacal yes, stupid no. You don't lob a nuke at someone who has 8000 of them, and has a proven delivery system.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:12 am | Reply
      • eric

        I am not so sure this kid has had so much smoke blown up his ass all his life he thinks he is a god. he may believe his own press.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Nick

      Seriously you think that they have the know how to do that? Not a chance, they still have no way or capability to make nukes small enough to go on a ICBM. But hey you go hide in your basement and wait, have fun

      December 13, 2012 at 8:40 am | Reply
  74. Kim Jung Il

    Frills ru Arwik Braw-vim!

    December 13, 2012 at 5:45 am | Reply
  75. Wefastdeliverkimchi

    An impressive accomplishment, since it is still 1959 there.

    December 13, 2012 at 2:07 am | Reply
  76. Harvey

    Communications satellite my butt. In polar orbit the only thing it is good for is for recon. However, if you look at a map; due south is the only direction they can launch is due south without flying over someone's territory.

    December 13, 2012 at 1:46 am | Reply
  77. Alex279

    So... Yesterday I saw video with Bill Richardson giving an interview and saying that "he does not want to be in the position of NK space program chief" because the launch was a failure. (What happened to this video today?)

    Then I saw an article asking why NK did that and reminding that King John Il died almost exactly one year ago and reminding about all irrelevant detail, as well as speculating about the potential internal stability problems of the regime. It was a lengthy article, the answer to the question did it make it to the orbit, yes or no? was nowhere to be found.

    Then another pundit wrote an article saying that it is a Pyrric victory, however the article did not explain what and why it is a victory.

    Then another article speculation about costs of the NK launch program and how this money would better spent feeding the poor. Still no word about whether it was a failure or success.

    Then another article claiming that NK may not have full control over the satellite. ....so it was a satellite? made it to the orbit? or what? Did it make it to the orbit? And what does it mean to be in control? It is probably a simple transmitter broadcasting songs about glory of King John Il (or King John ЫN, whatever) as long as batteries did not run out. What control do you need? Volume control?

    ...poor Bill Richardson.

    Why don't we acknowledge what is obvious and CONGRATULATE NORTH KOREAN SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS WITH THEIR FIRST SATELLITE ON ORBIT, regardless of someones political paranoia.

    December 13, 2012 at 12:52 am | Reply
    • somebody's uninformed

      *facepalm*

      December 13, 2012 at 1:22 am | Reply
      • ThatMattersRight

        Why? Because he is paying attention and starting to see through the western mainstream circus?

        Do ur little facepalm act.. it still looks ridiculous with the (fat) glasses on. (you're informed)

        December 13, 2012 at 5:29 am |
      • DuckPhart

        @ThatMattersRight:

        Unbunch your panties.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • NotMeMoNotEver

      KING JOHN IL...

      December 13, 2012 at 6:08 am | Reply
    • eric

      congratulate them are you out of your mind? his people starve to death while he and his cadre of fat ass morons live in luxury, screw little girls and boys and ignore whats really going on in their country. just for giggles why don't you look at a scan of the country at night from space, see any lights on?

      December 13, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
  78. pbernasc

    NK or not .. putting a satellite in orbit is still an achievement ... perhaps even a crappy one and not working .. there are not many countries that can do that .. on their own without any sort of external support ..
    that they are likely using the experience learned to develop weapons .. it's not surprising ...

    I say kudo to the engineers .. too bad they work for a mad fool

    December 13, 2012 at 12:38 am | Reply
    • anti comunist/socialist

      If any of you think that China is not helping NK with anything having to do with space or missles, you are pretty naive.

      December 13, 2012 at 12:52 am | Reply
      • Risu

        China isn't showing any support for the new North Korean regime under Kim Jong-un.

        December 13, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • joe

      your absolutely right, and they did it with virtually no outside help, and people actively trying to sabotage their operation. The Korean people are hard workers, and some day they will again be united.

      December 13, 2012 at 12:53 am | Reply
      • ML

        The day they are reunified is the day Kim Jung Un publicly dances his fat a$s to K-Pop.

        December 13, 2012 at 4:53 am |
      • humanbean

        Slaves with their lives constantly on the line usually are pretty hard workers. Have you ever heard of Camp 14? Google it. Read it. It's unbelievable that this kind of thing could be going on in the world today. It's horrific what that regime is all about.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • mattski

      Putting a manned craft into orbit and returning it safely to earth is an achievement. Hobbyists can launch satellites.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
      • Gas Predictor

        Hobbyists can launch satellites?

        I deplore North Korea's decision to apply so much of their resources to weapons and space technology they don't need while their people are starving, but the fact is that placing a satellite in orbit – even an uncontrollable satellite in an unstable orbit – is no hobbyist' s accomplishment.

        December 13, 2012 at 9:04 am |
      • vbscript2

        Actually, Mattski is pretty much right. As long as you don't care about safety or cost (which NK obviously doesn't,) launching a satellite into orbit really isn't that impressive. Even if you do care about safety, it's still not a huge accomplishment today. All of the fundamental knowledge needed to launch a satellite into orbit has been pretty much public knowledge for at least 4 decades now. Anyone who has taken a college freshman-level physics course knows the theory required to place something into orbit. Any half-qualified team of engineers with enough funding could do what NK did. It's not a weekend project or anything, but it's hardly the space shuttle (which itself is 30-year-old technology now.)

        December 13, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  79. Jim

    I read somewhere that the rocket launch was an elaborate escape plan by Kim Jung Un's wife. He is apparently the worst lover in North Korea. But seriously, why don't we use the satellite for target practice. Zap. Zap. Hah, hah, North Korea. You wasted all that money for nothing. Why don't you spend your money on something productive, like food, or electricity?

    December 13, 2012 at 12:29 am | Reply
  80. HawkeyeNFO

    Since the launch happened in clear weather, I'm pretty sure most of the countries with space-based surveillance capabilities could detect the launch almost as soon as the engines were turned on. The launch of a rocket with that kind of range is easily seen by the satellites designed to warn of a ballistic missile attack. The aspect of the launch being a surprise is more of a matter of knowing in advance when exactly the launch would start. You would probably need someone on the inside to get that sort of information.

    December 13, 2012 at 12:23 am | Reply
  81. haha

    When Bill Clinton had his Reset North Korea became a Permanant Nuclear Threat. This Reset has given that Permanant Nuclear Threat Orbital Ability and the Ability to Deliver Nuclear Weapons anywhere in the world. Are we seeing a pattern here?

    December 13, 2012 at 12:10 am | Reply
    • pbernasc

      yes the pastern is that u r an idlot

      December 13, 2012 at 12:39 am | Reply
      • DuckPhart

        "pastern"

        So, he is Pasternized?

        Is he the head of an illiterate church?

        Is he covered in dried paste?

        December 13, 2012 at 8:56 am |
      • pbernasc

        pattern ... not pastern ... sucker .. never miss-typed something ... ? super patented double doped ultra mega galactic sucker. How about you? Let's see ... oh your screen name.
        DuckPhart ? Really ... duck phart? and you tell me about typos ?? .. you gotta be kidding ...
        can't you come up with a smarter screen name ....
        duck phart .. can't believe it , you identify yourself with the stinky gas emanating from the rectum of a duck, now that's an ambitious state of achievement.

        Duck Phart ... ah ... dope

        December 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  82. The other Mr Kim

    It's not actually a satellite... it's a chimp in a box. He'll stop feeling dizzy soon

    December 12, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Reply
  83. Whombatt

    Let's see–our vaunted intel gurus didn't (couldn't?) detect the launch but we somehow can tell that the satellite is out of control?

    Quick reaction to cover our original screwup.

    December 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Reply
    • ItsAMirage

      Just say it.....

      It's Pres Obamas fault!!!!

      December 12, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Reply
      • DC Observer

        Why would it be Obama's fault? it is not as though he is in charge of ......uh, never mind.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Frank

      Another angry, disillusioned cynic. Next!!!

      December 12, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Reply
      • Rogue351

        Yes call it Obamas fault. Because if it was a Republican presidents fault we would be in yet another war. You see war is the republican way. It is how the bolster the economy. It is how they thin the herd. It is a solution to everything. Problem is you can only fight so many wars and make so many enemies before your the target of all of them. Oh thats right the reason everyone hates America is because we have better stuff. Wrong, we buy out stuff from China, Which China imports sky rocketed while Bush was in office. War is not the answer, the republicans are not the answer and religion is certainly not the answer as we have seen from so many radical muslims and Christians over the years. The only way this gets better for us is if we stay out of it and let China handle it. And let Saudi handle Iran. Not our war, no need to spend money we don't have fighting a war that is not ours. But listen to McCain and we should have boots on the ground in both places tomorrow. Well wake up this is not your grand parents world we are living in. More can be accomplish via negotiations, sanctions, and maybe a show of our strength when needed, But another war, no thank you. Why did Mittens loose. Because that is exactly the way he would have went. Over reaction, with McCain whispering in his ear the whole way. Had Mitt been elected it is possible that december 21st would be the end of the world. So to you war mongers in the peanut gallery. Crawl back in your bunker, eat you freeze dried food clutching your gun and bible. While the rest of that are not paranoid, enjoy our holiday season not living in fear as Fox News, Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh would like us to. Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

        December 13, 2012 at 1:11 am |
      • james

        @Rogue351:
        Yes, if Romney had been elected the world most assuredly would have ended on 12-21-12. Never mind that is a full month before he would have been inaugurated. I love America.
        (BTW, I didn't vote for R-Money.)

        December 13, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Dr Tom

      Uh. I think we did detect the launch.

      December 12, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • DuckPhart

      Um, there is footage of the launch.

      Why do you hate America?

      December 13, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
    • vbscript2

      I'm guessing we detected the launch within a couple seconds of ignition... Do you have some reason to believe otherwise or are you just making stuff up?

      December 13, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
  84. seanpnicholas

    Their little "Model T" comm sat is probably powered by a 1V turbine driven by a gerbil wheel. These guys are nothing more than screaming babies at the kiddies' table, hoping their bad behavior merits a little attention from the grown-ups. Instead of paying their bluster undo concern, we should just send them to bed without supper.

    December 12, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • jayman419

      We've done that several times, when we've cut off food aid that left millions starving.

      December 12, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Reply
      • John Danielson

        As opposed to when we do send aid, and it ends up feeding their military and the civilians still starve? Iraq and Afghanistan didn't need our help nearly as bad as North Korea does, but I doubt South Korea would appreciate the "help", since they are still naive enough to believe they'll peacefully reunite.

        December 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
      • seanpnicholas

        The "supper" comment is figurative, and illustrates my preferred response to N. Korean leadership behaving like spoiled, selfish children. I don't know why you choose to twist that into something about the U.S. exacerbating famine in N. Korea, but I guess you must have your reasons.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  85. b keith vipperman

    hmm n Korea is a legitimate nuclear club member ... any one ever hear of electro magnetic pulse....... hmmmm maybe both we and them do not want to turn the "sat-A-light" on unless they feel they have to.... look up what even a small a nuclear space blast would do to communication and spy satellites from all count's.. hmm stop bullying and starving North Korea and and maybe invite them to cake or cookies and teA would be my peaceful suggestion to the ignore-rant? ignorant? ...............worlL----~~~ __--~~~~-~~ ~~~~D

    December 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Reply
  86. ItsAMirage

    Or maybe the NKorens don't care about the satellite because the launch had other motives????

    December 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Reply
    • xZENTIGERx

      Maybe the real intention was to test the ability to deploy a satellite that crashes into some of ours.

      December 12, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Reply
    • Risu

      What if they actually just wanted to put a satellite into orbit and nothing more. Mind = Blown.

      December 13, 2012 at 1:16 am | Reply
  87. jerseydevils76

    Panetta's worthless. Say what you want about N. Korea's prior inabilities to send a rocket off more than a mile, the US Intelligence failed to detect the launch was imminent even though it was all over the news.

    December 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm | Reply
    • ItsAMirage

      Or the US intelligence was secretly paying attention?!

      Oh I get it, you mean to say its Pres Obamas fault!

      December 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Reply
      • DC Observer

        It is not Obama's fault. Obama has not taken responsibility for anything for 4 years, why start now?

        December 13, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  88. whyme4

    Love the way the good old USA will try to discredit anything an unfriendly nation accomplishes.

    December 12, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Reply
    • ItsAMirage

      Ha ha ha! So you telling me we should give them an standing ovation! Roses?! A new crown!?? NKorea.....you just won a newwwww carrrrrrr!!

      December 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm | Reply
      • Jay

        Nice

        December 12, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
      • vbscript2

        More like a new crayon...

        December 13, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • kamisama

      With 2 million dollars, I could have gotten a 3 stage to work with parts from Radio Shack and a good machine shop. Don't give little Dong too much credit. He is a very small tyrant, with ambitions that will never be realized.

      December 12, 2012 at 11:04 pm | Reply
  89. tez07

    Not to worry, Kim Jong Un will ride up into space on his Unicorn and correct its orbit

    December 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Reply
  90. Brad

    anti-sat test time

    December 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Reply
    • bradshaw

      The US and China have both already proven that they can knock a satellite down if they want to. It would be pretty cool if one of them did so, but probably neither will for different reasons. http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/satellites/us-satellite-shootdown-the-inside-story

      December 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Reply
  91. xrtee

    or... it means another superpower has its hand stuck up n.kor's ass and is working it like a sock-puppet

    December 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  92. Jack Alex

    Who said it's out of control, don't dryers tumble?

    December 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Reply
    • ItsAMirage

      Ssshhhh we trying to not hurt their feelings.

      December 12, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Reply

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