Palestinian bid could put U.S. funding at risk
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton meets with Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, on November 21
November 29th, 2012
01:14 PM ET

Palestinian bid could put U.S. funding at risk

By Elise Labott

If, as expected, the United Nations General Assembly votes Thursday to upgrade the Palestinians to non-member observer status, it could put about $500 million in U.S. aid at stake - not to mention the $100 million in monthly tax revenues Israel is threatening to withhold.

The new status would fall short of triggering U.S. legislation that automatically cuts all U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority and any programs in the Palestinian territories, as well as aid to any organizations that recognize Palestine as a state. That's because the non-member designation falls short of being a full member state, which would give Palestine full voting rights in the in the U.N. General Assembly. The United States is vehemently opposed to member-state status for the Palestinians that doesn't stem from a peace deal with Israel.

But while Congress isn't mandated to cut U.S. aid, that doesn't mean it won't. Various senators are already proposing language to the National Defense Authorization Act to cut assistance to the Palestinians by 50% and U.S. fees to the United Nations by the same amount, should the effort by the Palestinians to gain recognition as a non-member observer state succeed in the General Assembly. It would also cut by 20% U.S. aid to any country voting to approve such a move. A larger group of senators proposed cutting off all funding if the vote goes through.

That threat was repeated Thursday morning in Washington.

"The last thing we want to do is break a relationship between the Palestinians that is mutually beneficial. But the day that the Palestinians use their UN status to try to marginalize Israel in the international criminal court it will be clear to us that we are investing in an unreliable partner. We are broke," said Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Two congressional committees partly cut off funds in the wake of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' bid for statehood in the U.N. Security Council last year. The hold on the security aid was lifted, but about $200 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance is still blocked. Given that the vote is largely symbolic, Congress may not take that step. But should the Palestinians move to take action against Israel in the International Criminal Court, which a non-member state is entitled to do if the members agree, aid would almost certainly be cut off. This would leave the Palestinians in dire straits, strengthen Hamas and risk the collapse of Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, which could lead to renewed violence.

The vote will be seen as a diplomatic failure for the United States, which pressured the Palestinians against the move and lobbied hard with its international allies against voting for the measure. Its consequences will likely move the parties further away from the peace table. Not only has the Obama administration failed to forge a peace deal in its first term - something President Barack Obama pledged to do days after taking office - but whatever hopes Obama had of re-engaging in Mideast peacemaking during his second term will be close to impossible in the near term.

 

soundoff (153 Responses)
  1. judith kay

    FSA Don t allow peacekeepers back in Syria post Assad..

    December 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Reply
  2. gman tello

    everyone should quit fighting and support the one who still are...our troops

    http://www.airsplat.com/support-gi-troops.htm

    November 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  3. DickPerry

    Ah. Threats. The american way. I do remember G.W Bush.. "Either you are with us or you are against us". Nothing has changed now then.. Except that the rest of the world is starting to wake up from the american dream.

    November 30, 2012 at 7:51 am | Reply
  4. fiftyfive55

    What is actually so wrong about Palestine becoming a state,like Israel ?

    November 30, 2012 at 7:40 am | Reply
  5. Billy Poole

    I say, stop giving money to anyone. We could use that money for the Homeless, drug addiction programs, out reach programs for youth, children who go to bed hungry. This is the problem, we are in Debt, we are slaves into Debt that the US Government has created!!! Stop funding other countries!!! WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS IN THE US!!!

    November 30, 2012 at 6:23 am | Reply
    • fiftyfive55

      Amen to that.

      November 30, 2012 at 7:43 am | Reply
      • Sam

        Well the problem with your line of thinking is that we're talking about peanuts – PEANUTS – compared to the boatloads spent on wasteful defense spending and corporate subsidies. Please check your actual facts and figures before mindlessly spouting off threats that will only serve to lead America backwards!

        November 30, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  6. Ausjac

    USA & Israel says this has no importance yet have pleaded, screamed, threatened the rest of the world not to vote for it.
    USA & Israel says the UN is not the solution to establishing a permanent state...yet this is how the state of Israel was formed.
    USA say the Palestine should not join the ICC as it will be a hindrance to the peace process, yet in every other conflict throughout Africa, middle east and Europe they insist on it.
    Finally I thought the USA, Israel & Canada were somewhat isolated in their campaign until I saw,a further 6 pillars of western society (Czech Republic, Palau, Panama, Nauru, Mirconesia and Marshall Islands), join ranks and vote No. Mind you their vote was not based on common sense and justice....just to preserve their aid from the god ol' USA.

    November 30, 2012 at 4:41 am | Reply
  7. Thay

    I agree that the best way to establish peace and a two state solution is direct negotiation – but this UN upgrade should be seen as an opportunity to kick-start these negotiations. And for the USA to threaten withdrawing aid to nations that don't agree with them at the UN – what message does that send about one of the oldest and greatest democracies. US allies won't be impressed – thats probably why most of them ignored the US.

    November 30, 2012 at 4:17 am | Reply
  8. Jack

    I think best bet is no money to no one unless we get what we want can't buy rockets with charm or votes for good licks we need the Money here to spend on people who lost their homes in the huricane with no insurance or lost their jobs on factories that moved to china or lost their ambition to look for a job after reciving a diploma and no were to go exept a unemployment line

    November 30, 2012 at 2:43 am | Reply
  9. rory

    Soon USA is out of the question to solve any problem.Around the world people see Americans as the trouble maker of the world rather than the problem solver.

    November 30, 2012 at 1:54 am | Reply
    • A plague on both your houses

      This is a real pity – The World see the USA as bullies not as saviors and this is so true. I live in Australia and travel widely and the statement is spot on.

      Nearly everyone I meet, white, black, brown, brindle, or yellow feel the same about the US – independent of their politics.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:03 am | Reply
    • J Hyde

      It seems obama with his slave mentality is slowly turning US in the big satan with no respect for world opinion.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:08 am | Reply
      • A plague on both your houses

        The reality is that it has little to do with Obama. The contempt that the USA held in right now goes back to just before the Korean War in the 50's. After WWII with the rise of Communist Russia the US went a little crazy with fear and decided to try and govern the world and turn every country into a democracy – as they saw democracy. Few countries saw it the same way. All they saw was a bully trying to get their own way.

        If anything, Obama has started to regain international respect for the US. Bush was the last straw for even hardened US supporters.

        November 30, 2012 at 3:22 am |
      • Lee

        @ a Plague it's obvious you really have no idea what you are talking about. Please tell me you're not Australian by birth, I'd hate to think your ignorance represents my adopted country.

        November 30, 2012 at 5:55 am |
  10. bribarian

    "we are broke" but dont worry israel will still be collecting 3 billion a year

    November 30, 2012 at 1:01 am | Reply
    • cactus

      Obama will continue to fund the palestinians no matter what.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:54 am | Reply
      • A plague on both your houses

        We need to get the story straight – we have as many people who think Obama funds the Palestinians as we have people who think he funds the Israelis. Someone please let us know the truth.

        Actually don't – I really couldn't care who the US funds or doesn't fund as in the long-term it won't make any real difference.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:00 am |
    • cactus

      I think we should stop funding all muslims like the Palestinians, Egypt, Libya etc etc and give all that money to Israel. They are the only country in the middle east that doesn't want us killed.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:57 am | Reply
      • john

        Right, like how they don't want to kill Americans during the USS Liberty attack

        November 30, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Fawlty

      Now this is a true statement!

      November 30, 2012 at 2:17 am | Reply
  11. bribarian

    As if we needed any more proof israel is running America into the ground....

    November 30, 2012 at 12:59 am | Reply
    • calfmeat

      Huh?

      November 30, 2012 at 2:17 am | Reply
  12. Not Surprised

    First off, I am fairly certain that a majority of these comments are coming for either one person, or several working to show some popular support of this anti israel cause with VERY western names. I am surprised that John Wayne hasn't been used but whatever. The very real truth is, War sucks, especially if you lose. Sorry, but you brought war to Israel and Israel won, time and time again. Really, how did that short war work in the 60's? Egypt calling for Israels destruction, massing troops all along its boarders, casting out the UN peacekeepers? Thats right, pretty much the destruction of Egypts military might, jordan reluctantly having to fight a war it really didn't want and syrians forces hiding around its capitol. The Golan heights, west bank, gaza, all gone and Israel could have taken more, history shows who asked for the ceasefire and the side that accepted it.

    November 30, 2012 at 12:17 am | Reply
    • Fawlty

      You live in your own universe. Ever applied for a passport and traveled the world ? Try it , will help you to know the world and understand people.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:18 am | Reply
      • Rudy1947

        I agree with "not surprised" and consider his universe as real. The Arabs sided with Germany twice and lost. The Arabs tried twice to eliminate Israel twice and lost. The Jews were/are the collective goats of the world unfortunately and the Arabs are the collective whiners of the world. I guess the Arabs are still agree about losing the Ottoman Empire as well.

        November 30, 2012 at 5:13 am |
  13. Julie

    Why is our great nation threatening economic terrorism against a nation seeking statehood, are we that beholden to israeli special interests!?

    November 29, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      The nation you speak of is ruled by terrorists. Please try and get your brain to work.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:59 am | Reply
      • Fawlty

        True, US is controlled by the terror State of Israel. More and more Americans are learning the truth. Glad you did too!

        November 30, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • Munir

      YES. Someone needs to figure this out!! It is no complicated. Palestinians are not all Muslims. But that should not matter. We just want them to worship us because we give them $500 mil/year? Money no longer buys SLAVES!!!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Reply
  14. Alain

    Good lord, we're the slave of the Israelis. What crazy senators want to cut aid to Palestine for something as simple as this? Rather than supporting the oppressed, unfortunately, we're siding with the oppressors.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      Unfortunately you are as wrong as you can be. Only a palestinian can support such worthless people.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:00 am | Reply
      • Munir

        Since when people are worthless? Nice thinking, now we know ho is WORTHLESS!!!

        November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • calfmeat

      Palestinians have been digging their own weird deep hole for decades. Why wouldn't aid stop eventually? Iran seems more than happy to take on the burden much like China took on North Korea as its private little pet pit bull.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:20 am | Reply
  15. Rick Buggy's Rants & Ravings

    They had better withhold any money from these terrorists.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Reply
    • Fawlty

      From Israel, I agree. Such freeloaders.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:30 am | Reply
  16. joe

    How in the world is aid to the palestinians mutually beneficial?

    November 29, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Reply
    • Dan

      Aid to the Palestinian Authority is mutually beneficial because is gives more legitimacy to Fatah, as a governing body, over Hamas. There seems to be a struggle within Palestine for the hearts and minds of the people and lately Hamas has been the only one of the two who has been able to project any degree of power. Unfortunately, that came in the form of rockets fired into Israel. Fatah needs to now project some power and reassert it's legitimacy. A peaceful bid for recognition at the UN seems to be a better alternative to firing rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. The timing is actually very good and it is a win to all who prefer peaceful negotiations over terror, which appears to be the way Hamas does business.

      November 30, 2012 at 1:17 am | Reply
      • cactus

        Bull feathers.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:01 am |
  17. Lardeau

    Why do we keep pumping dough into this area in the first place ?? Aid ?? How about aiding America first ?? No wonder we are broke !!!

    November 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Reply
    • A plague on both your houses

      The US ended up broke because they passed off worthless bits of paper (greenbacks) for real products for decades after the end of WWII when the USA $ became the default currency for world trade. Now trade occurs in almost every currency in the world and the US doesn't have a monopoly on the currency used.

      This means that now the demand for US $'s has dropped and peole now want to return their greenback to the USA to buy REAL products rather than just trade for more paper money.

      Now all those trillions of $'s are coming back and REAL stuff is being asked for. The US cannot sustain all that paper money flooding their economy and REAL good going out through it's borders.

      The American people have had a free ride for about 60 years now, buying products in exchange for what is now a weak currency, and it's coming to an end and there is nothing the US can do to stop it.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:29 am | Reply
  18. Sha

    So since the US and Israel didn't get it way they are going to basically say we are taking our ball and walking away. How childish.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      I hope America does stop all aid to the Palestinians but since Obama is a muslim I doubt that will happen.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:02 am | Reply
      • A plague on both your houses

        Please not this old crap about Barack. Not born in the US, Muslim, next you'll be telling me he's really a GOP mole sent in to bring down the Dems ...

        November 30, 2012 at 2:06 am |
      • Lee

        @ a Plague This is the only intelligent comment you've made. Have you taken your medicine or something?

        November 30, 2012 at 5:58 am |
  19. Voiceinthewind

    Cut off the 5 billion in welfare we send to the Evil Empire to begin with then make them give the Palestinians back thier land and dignity, this would be a good starting point for peace in the world.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply
    • erin111

      US and Israel formed a symbiosis. From American Military Industry point of view, any conflict is good...it brings PROFIT!!! They can sell their products!!! Israel at the same time tries to fulfill it's aggressive ambitions of the "chosen nation".

      November 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • Jerry

      Biggest problem with that? The land is NOT the so-called "Palestinian's" in the first place. Even the land they squat on now is Israel's by right of precedence as well as by right of might. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian", just the descendents of Arabs who stole the land from the Jews they enslaved and murdered 1300 years ago. They should round up all these descendents and send them back to Arabia where they belong.

      Being Irish/Native American I know a little bit about having your ancestors enslaved and/or murdered and your lands stolen by invaders. The Israelis make far more concessions to the Arabs in the name of peace than I ever would. They should be thankful that Israel doesn't just practice the "kill 'em all & let the mythical deity of your choice sort 'em out" philosophy!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
      • In your face

        don't mess with the chosen people! period

        November 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
      • A plague on both your houses

        One of the most offensive issues for me, when it comes to the religious aspects of the conflict, is that both sides, just like in most wars, think that God,whoever and however you define her, gives a care about either of you.

        The Jews believe themselves to be 'God's Chosen People' and the Arabs feel that Allah is on their side now and forever. This kind of thinking will never allow the resolution of problems between different people who hold these sorts of religious beliefs.

        You would think that the Roman responses to the Jewish rebels in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple would convince then that God really doesn't care very much for their fanaticism and the same for the under privileged, uneducated, fanatical Muslims wherein Allah doesn't seem to care very much about them either.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:59 am |
      • Tom

        Lets start with US. Why go only 1300 years, lets go further. US should vacate North America and hand it all over to Natives, and leave for Europe !!!

        If Israel really wanted peace, it would have stopped further settlements and agreed to 1967 borders. It is far more territory that Israel started with in 1947. Offering thousands of miles and then offering a few hundred back does not make Israel magnanimous!

        November 29, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
      • Who Cares

        I never respond to these, but let us just look at your statement. So, the land is not the Arabs' land, because they have only lived on it for the last 1300 years? It is the Israelis land because they lived on it 1300 years ago? Let us ignore the fact that the Arab speaking people in Palestine and Israel today are actually descendants of the people living here 1300 years ago. The Arabs who took over the area did not kill everyone, they assimilated the population. Let us also ignore the fact that the Jews were not the dominant population in the area 1300 years ago. For that you actually have to reach back to closer to 2000 years ago. Even 2000 years ago, the Jewish people were a tenuous majority at best, since they had conquered the land themselves from many other tribes and people of other lands had also moved in. There were many major cities in what is now Israel 2000 years ago, where the Jews were greatly in the minority. By 1300 years ago, the area had long since been populated mostly by Hellenistic people and other semitic tribes, like the tribes from what is now Arabia.

        Let us focus on the insanity of giving a land back to a people and saying it is rightfully their's because of your belief that they owned it 1300 years ago? Then by all rights, if we are giving the land back to the people who owned it 1300 years ago, we should give it to the Greeks. They are the closest descendants to the Byzantines, who owned the land 1300 years ago. Want to go back 2000 years, then we give it to the Romans. In all truth, over the grand scale of history, the Jews only owned it for a thin sliver of time. It has exchanged hands many times. Also using your theory, we should give the UK back to the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, since that was pre-Norman conquest. Good luck finding them. Turkey also should go to the Greeks, since that was pre-major Turkish invasions. We must give Iraq to Iran, since it was part of the Persian Empire 1300 years ago. Finland should take a huge chunk of northern Russia, since they were the majority of the people living there then. Exactly what point in history do you want to recreate the world at? It has been fairly fluid.

        I am not saying Israel should not exist, but the argument that the land is not the Arabs, because they have only been living on it for the past several thousand years and the Jews once controlled it a over 2000 years ago for about 700 years, is plain stupid. Stop arguing over whose land is it. If living on the land and controlling the land for at least 1000 years, does not give you ownership and some rights to it, we all might as well try to cram ourselves back into some tiny spot in Africa, since that is where we all came from and we have all been transients since then, by your definition. Heck, why not try to clone the Dinosaurs and give everything back to them, since we have only been squatting on their land for the past couple of 100,000 years. By all rights it is the Dinosaurs' land and we should give it back to them. Their direct descendants are the alligators, birds and other reptiles, so we should abandon the Earth to them, since it is theirs.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:39 am |
      • Jerry

        Right of precedence AND right of might, Tom: not only are the lands in question historically Jewish but the modern Jews were strong enough to take it back and are strong enough to hold it. If we Native Americans could take back and keep our lands by might of arms then, yes, we should have it. If we Irish could seize British Occupied Ulster and keep the Brits from taking it back by might of arms, we should. That neither of these scenarios will ever come to pass because that might just doesn't exist does not in any way devalue the claims of the Jewish people to what they now hold.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:40 am |
      • Fawlty

        Are you related to Hitler and Netanyahu by any chance?

        November 30, 2012 at 2:22 am |
      • Who Cares

        Jerry, Pick your poison, either might makes right or it should not be taken by force. The whole thrust of your argument was that the Israelis have a right to the land because they had it in history. To quote you, "The land is NOT the so-called "Palestinian's" in the first place. Even the land they squat on now is Israel's by right of precedence as well as by right of might. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian", just the descendents of Arabs who stole the land from the Jews they enslaved and murdered 1300 years ago. They should round up all these descendents and send them back to Arabia where they belong."

        You are saying that the Arabs have no right to the land, whether by might or precedence. The precedence is that the Arabs as the direct descendants of the people who have occupied the land for 1000s of years, have a greater right of precedence to the land than the Jews who have not controlled the land for about 700 years and represented a significant population for a few 1000. All of those years were at the same time that those who we currently call Palestinians were on the land at the same time. There was never any point in history when the Jews made up 100% of the population. Those people that were not Jews, did not disappear. They became the people we now call Palestinians. Your argument of precedence does not hold water and leads to crazy scenarios. Additionally, the vast majority of the Jews today, have little blood in common to the Jews who originally populated the area. They are greatly ethnically diverse. DNA evidence shows that the Jews from Europe have little in common with the Jews who stayed in the region. The Arabs and original Jews are both semitic people. The Arabs have more in common with the original Jews than the Jews from Europe. Your argument of precedence has little merit, but it was the main thrust of your argument.

        Right of might gives you a much more firm ground to stand on, but flies in the face of your seemingly beloved Native American and Irish blood, which we share in common. Even on that count, I might agree, if the Israelis did not win the '48 war mostly because of assistance directed to them by the USSR. Also if they did not get a free gift of between 1% and 2% of their GDP from the US. 20 years ago that was up near 10% of their GDP. If it was just the Israelis against the Palestinians, I would not have a problem. I just wish my country would stop supporting them with billions every year.

        November 30, 2012 at 3:55 am |
    • cactus

      You are aptly named, you are a voice in the wind, south wind that is. You cannot give diognity to Arabs, they do not understand that word. A wise man once said that there will be peace in the middle east when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the jews. I say that time will never come.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:06 am | Reply
      • A plague on both your houses

        I hope that times comes for all of us.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:07 am |
  20. Peter

    In a democratic country, can individual taxpayers threaten to stop paying their taxes if their candidate for president is not elected? Should those same taxpayers threaten to stop donating to the Red Cross, for example, if their candidate loses? I would hope not. There must be a better way to get your opinion heard and convince others that you are right and they are mistaken.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:55 pm | Reply
    • erin111

      You are right. US is just a bully state.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Reply
      • cactus

        You are wrong but then you know that without me telling you that. You are also wrong headed and that can't be fixed with knowledge.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:08 am |
      • A plague on both your houses

        Maybe Americans do not see themselves as a Bully State but most of the rest of the world does. Does any bully see themselves as bullies – I'm not sure they do. It is usually their victims who see them that way and observers of their behaviour (Before you comment on my spelling I am using English, New Zealand, Australian, Canadian, South African, in fact the spelling of any country where ENGLISH is spoken other than the USA).

        November 30, 2012 at 3:33 am |
    • Lance Chambers

      I find this a very good and cogent point on the whole issue.

      Well done.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      What do you think, Peter? From reading your post I get the impression that you can't really think. Am I right?

      November 30, 2012 at 2:09 am | Reply
      • Peter

        Cactus, you attack my ability to reason only because you can't find fault with my statement. Try to stick to the issue at hand. We are trying to determine who is right and who is wrong not who is intelligent and who is less so.

        November 30, 2012 at 10:24 am |
  21. Lance Chambers

    In the near future I can see China being the largest financial contributor to the UN – especially if the US AGAIN refuses to pay it's dues.

    I wonder what would happen to US credibility if the UN moved to Beijing? Not as silly an idea as it may sound and could probably be a serious consideration within a decade or two.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Reply
    • b4bigbang

      Lance Chambers: "In the near future I can see China being the largest financial contributor to the UN – especially if the US AGAIN refuses to pay it's dues."

      Speaking of payments, does anyone here know if the other UN member nations are paying the US any rent money for the use of its valuable real estate?
      And if they are, does anyone know if they're paid up or late on rent?
      Btw, why shouldn't the US allow itself to be exempt from dues since the UN is using US real estate for its HQ?

      November 29, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply
      • Lance Chambers

        I guess, but to be honest do not know, if the UN pays rent on the land and building or if these were purchased by the UN. But maybe, like the International Court in the Hague, I would hope that any country hosting bodies of this type would NOT be charging them anything for their services to humanity.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
      • Wahine

        I for one would be more than happy to have the headquarters of the UN moved.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Who Cares

      China does not hardly pay anything into the UN. UN dues are basically apportioned by size of economy. That is not exact, but a good rule of thumb. You look at any country's percentage of the world economy and you get a close estimate of the percentage of the UN budget they pay in dues. The US has always capped their's at no more than 25% of the UN's budget, and since the US's percentage of the world economy has been greater than 25% we have traditionally be in arrears.

      So, you might be thinking that China will surpass the US because their economy may soon surpass the US economy. That would be wrong. By an agreement signed around the establishment of the UN, poorer countries only have to pay about 1/10 of what they normally would, if they paid their percentage of the UN budget as their percentage of the world economy. That means some countries pay nearly nothing. It also means countries like China, India and Brazil really pay very little in dues to the UN. So, since the Chinese only pay about 1/10 of what they would if they did not have the special exception, the Chinese economy will have to be about 10 times the size of the US economy in order for them to pay more, I do not think anyone sees that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

      Who picks up the extra? That would be the western European countries who pay a greatly outsized proportion of the budget in comparison to their percentage of the world economy.

      November 30, 2012 at 12:55 am | Reply
    • cactus

      If the people of the U.S. could only be so lucky. The greatest thing that could happen to this country would be for that evil monster now residing in NYC would move anyplace else. Equally great for the U.S. would be if we cut off all funding to trhe UN and let it die on the vine.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:12 am | Reply
      • A plague on both your houses

        The UN would not 'die on the vine' as you suggest it would simply not have to listen to the American delegation any more. How would that be a good thing for the USA?

        The world's largest body dealing with world events and the US wouldn't be at the table. That's a recipe for madness.

        November 30, 2012 at 3:16 am |
  22. Jcube

    On one side you have a people that launch missiles into populated areas with no regard to who gets killed or injured; on the other a country that drops fliers warning the people inside a military or police facility that it will be bombed at X time of day. Now who would you prefer to live next to?

    November 29, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Reply
    • Lee

      I didn't realize the Palestinians were giving warnings. That makes me even more on their side now. I assume you were saying Israel is the side that is "....a people that launch missiles into populated areas with no regard to who gets killed or injured considering the number of innocent men, women and children they have killed.

      November 30, 2012 at 6:10 am | Reply
  23. PJacky

    "It would also cut by 20% U.S. aid to any country voting to approve such a move" – money which is also used for education, building schools, water and road infrastructure,... and the US calls itself a freedom and democracy loving nation, HA! Blackmailing, that is what is they can do best... Stand up against your criminal government, Americans! Don't let the Israelis determine what your own country should do

    November 29, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Reply
    • Canuck

      Why should the West be paying for schools, roads etc in a another country. Heres an idea how about you use your own money to build your infrastructures.

      Criminal government that's hilarious. The US gives out more aid than any other country and same goes with Canada, maybe you should think before you post lil guy. I'd cut that aid and use that reclaimed money to pay down the debt, instead of raising taxes and giving out handouts to ungrateful countries.

      The West is about freedom and democracy I can say what ever I want and I dont have to worry about going missing in the middle of the night, how about the people in the middle east, russia, or china do they share that same right?? Im pretty sure I can send my daughter to school without the risk of her getting shot, beheaded, having acid splashed in face etc... what about the people of the middle east do they ALL share that basic right. Give your head a shake man just so you can see if there's anything in there!

      Cut AID divert to our own countries and to people who deserve and appreciate it and who will someday make the world a better place to live in. Instead of funding governments who then use that money to fund terrorism and spread hate against the west.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Reply
      • Jc

        Aman to that Canuck.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
      • elena

        Canuk you must be a jew who cant not accept that the vast majority of canadians do dupport a palestinian state.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
      • Canuck

        Im not Jewish. And I never said I don't support a Palestinian State, it is the way they are going about things that undermines the peace talks/efforts. Just must be a dumb a$$

        November 29, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
      • Tom

        Thats the price US pays to remain a superpower. Cut aid and nobody will support US at United Nations thereafter. US will solely have to rely on military might to fight almost all the countries in the world except a handful like Canada, UK and Australia.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:00 am |
  24. Ricksta

    Aha! So we see there is a slight possibility that 9-11 did not occur because Arabs hate our freedom.

    November 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Reply
  25. Canuck

    The UN is a joke the US, Canada should leave. Russia and China made the UN a useless organization and a prime example is Syria. Not saying there isn't extremists there but murdering your own citizens because you (Assad) wants to hang onto the power he inherited from his father is unacceptable. Eventually when no one comes to your aid the FSA was forced to accept extremists to stand a fighting chance. Funny how 40000+ die in Syria and none of you say anything but when 200 are killed (mostly Hamas terrorists) some being civilians used as human shields by the "brave and honourable" Hamas you start on your anti-Israeli banter, and the UN steps in.

    I hope the West cuts of all aid then the Palestinians can see that none of their so called muslim brothers (Iran, Egypt etc..) will give them a dime. They don't care about Palestine and their people, they just care about screwing over Isreal.

    Way to go UN, can't wait till Al Qaeda gets their own state too, terrorism = results I guess.

    Palestine should have went to the bargaining table without preconditions and then they would have gotten what they want, because Israel would then have no reason and no support from the entire international community not just the anti-Israeli community. This was just a desperate move by Abbas to look like he's still in charge when Hamas really runs the show. I feel sorry for Palestinians because this will just make it harder to negotiate with Israel.

    Pull all aid and help our own people, let them kill each other in "Peace".

    November 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      I don't think you saw the vote margin. Nobody supports Israel, there is an outpouring of sympathy for Palestine even if Palestine sets pre-conditions. In fact their pre-conditions are very legitimate demands and this vote proves that a big majority of the world agrees.

      November 30, 2012 at 12:03 am | Reply
      • cactus

        Well then, let the rest of the world send aid to the Palestinians and let the U.S. send their foreign aid only to Israel. That sounds like a win win situation to me. If the rest of the world is so stupid to believe the infantile lies of the Palestinians, they deserve each other. The UN seldom supports the U.S. anyway. I have long wanted the U.S. to pull out of the UN and evict them from our country.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:21 am |
  26. mineta

    also not for post below ..if you dont like arabs too ..press 9 ..
    or else press 0 to return to the next option...
    the more you hate ..the better for the arab..
    ish bin nisht superman lol ... heil hittler imao

    November 29, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Reply
    • Jerry

      That would be "ich bin nicht ein Übermensch", dummkopf!

      November 30, 2012 at 12:07 am | Reply
  27. JackLBerry

    Detroit could really use that $500 million.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      Detroit could better use a nuclear explosion.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:22 am | Reply
  28. mineta

    if you don't like terrorists ... you are not alone ..
    dial 999 to get free pizza

    November 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  29. Wahine

    I am very proud that my country voted yes. This is a huge step forward in the peace process and clearly shows that the majority of the world have had enough of this very one sided conflict.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:32 pm | Reply
    • Ayman

      5 millions Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) live behind Israeli borders (occupation) ! Only 1.8 millions have the right to vote(Israel recognize them as Israeli), others don't have any right even the right to move (Apartheid) or build houses or even sown trees. Israel doesn't want Peace, Israel keep killing Palestinians, Israel doesn't want to stop stealing the Palestinians land or even declare stop build Jews settlements on Palestinians land.

      November 29, 2012 at 5:43 pm | Reply
      • Jcube

        And why is it that Christians and Jews live in fear in Muslim countries? Why are there so few living there? Why are there so many stories of attacks on groups of one people on the other in these countries? Israel at least allows religious freedom, and yes, no Jews hold office...can you say the same about ANY other mid-Eastern or Asian Country? No.

        November 29, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
      • cactus

        I wish Israel could become a little more efficient in killing the Palestinians. Thney launched hundreds of air sorties and dropped hundreds of bombs and fired hundreds of rockets into Gaza trying to stop Hamas from sending rockets into Israel, and they only killed a hundred and maybe fifty Palestinians.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:27 am |
  30. Falconer375

    Interesting point as to the US potentially not paying its dues at the UN....from what I gather if a nation gets 2 years or more in arrears they can potentially be removed.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      We couldn't be so lucky.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:28 am | Reply
  31. brown

    Shameful! America is on the wrong side of history.

    November 29, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • Canuck

      wrong. US is on the right side again. PLO should have went to the table without preconditions instead of trying to weasel into the UN. Both sides have to meet in the middle, act like adults and achieve a lasting peace, it is truly sad that two great peoples (Palestinians and Israelis) will have a longer drawn out conflict now. This all plays into Iran's plan to delay the UN from investigating them so they can get a nuke to use for either intimidation or murder.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:21 pm | Reply
      • RonMd

        Countries and land can never be negotiated – It has to be won. Did we negotiate Britons in 1775?
        Palestine negotiated for over 65 years while Israel kept gobbling up the land.

        November 30, 2012 at 12:12 am |
      • Fawlty

        Israel love to talk forever, while they steal land. I hope Palestinians get more help from the Arab countries in the future with weapons they need to fight Nazi Israel.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:35 am |
    • cactus

      And you are on the wrong side of sanity.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:29 am | Reply
  32. stan

    Israeli Lobbyist own our government

    November 29, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • Faraj Gazzah

      A sad state of affairs indeed.

      November 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • Jcube

      False.

      November 29, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Reply
  33. OneTime

    abbas is a terrorist.....Russia poisoned arafat....

    November 29, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Reply
    • Faraj Gazzah

      Too silly to comment

      November 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Reply
    • adam

      This is the logic we are using right now:
      If you ask to be recognized at the U.N and try to sue israel for war crimes, we will cut the $500 million support we send you and israel will seize the $100 million taxes that are getting collected from the Palestinians themselves. I thought it should be the other way around, if israel commits more war crimes against the Palestinians, we should stop sending them the $3 BILLION every year.

      November 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Reply
      • cactus

        Nice try but we won't. Israel is the only democratically elected government in the middle east that functions like a democracy. Israel is our only ally in the middle east. The muslims would turn on us and kill all of us if they only could.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:32 am |
    • Fawlty

      Arial Sharon and Menachim Begin – Terrorists

      November 30, 2012 at 2:36 am | Reply
  34. American Military

    Sure lets let all terrorists have their own state...TERRORISM WORKS.........next in line Al qaida gets a state in New York or Washington......the US should pull all funds from the UN...

    November 29, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Reply
    • adam

      It did work for israel, hove you Googled it.

      November 29, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Reply
    • Palestine wins

      Are you mad. We will win, you can protest. Doubt it will go far though. Have fun trying

      November 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • Hoze

      Terrorism exist in the first place because of the lack of freedom. Imagine somebody kicks you out of your home and you are living in streets with constant fear of oppression, no food, no education, no future. Worst of all no one supports you and tell you that you never lived here in the first place. This is the current situation of Palestinians. It is easy for bad people to brainwash them.

      No state can be a terrorist state, there are good and bad people everywhere. For once lets see their pain and look the world from their side then only we will b able to bring peace in the world. Free Palestinian state with economic, education, and social freedom is the right way to go

      November 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Reply
      • Lance Chambers

        I completely agree with your sentiments but I do have to ask why don't all those people who are oppressed in this same way by their own rulers revolt to overthrow them? Maybe the first place to start fighting is in your own countries against your own, home grown, oppressors.

        It is the dictators that convince most 'freedom fighters' that it is The West, the foreigner, the Banks, the Rich, the Big Corporations, etc., etc. who are the enemy when all the time the real enemy is your own rulers.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
      • cactus

        A free Palestinian state is impossible. Show me one free muslim state anywhere in the world. Look at Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, Joprdan, Saudi, Yemen, Somali, Sudan, Ethiopia and all the others. Turkey is the freest of them all and I still would not want to live there. If Palestine becomes a state it will Immediately be armed to the teeth by Iran, will start a real war with Israel and the Israeli's will level the place.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • Fawlty

      As Adam noted it worked for Israel. Learn history.

      Google Stern Gang and Irgun. Google Arial Sharon and Menachim Begin. Talks won't get you anything, terror will. Israel proved it. Palestinians following the same method, without the fire power Israel had.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:39 am | Reply
  35. Andrew

    Palestine is not asking for much. This will help protect them against further "forced settlement/theft of property". I'd rather Palestine rule the region rather than Israel. Israeli soldiers are like dahhh let's fire rubber bullets at people because of orders.

    November 29, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    • Seal

      They are not asking for much? Are you stupid? They are asking for a state/land that NEVER belonged to them to begin with...go read a book dummy...

      November 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Reply
      • ED

        ->Seal
        Never belonged to them? Are you mad? Arab population in the territory now known as Israel in 1914 was of 700,000, compared to approx. 60,000 Jews. Israel established their state by using very similar methods the Palestinians do now, except on the British occupiers after WWI... you know after the ARAB army's fought off the Ottoman empire. Arab occupied that land for over 2000 years. Because it was never theirs in the UN, it doesn't mean they don't belong there.

        November 29, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
      • Faraj Gazzah

        When one is bankrupt one calls others names.
        Insulting people does not make you right.
        The Palestinians were there, like it o not.

        November 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
      • Falconer375

        Never existed huh, haven't read your Bible in a while....the Philistines (what the Palestinians these days were called) were mentioned hundreds of times in that particular text.

        November 29, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  36. Bagudu

    keep the bloodmoney

    November 29, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Reply
  37. john2397

    Obama can make an history reading the real meaning of the U.N. vote for non-voting right membership of the Palestine Authority. Without wasting any more time, he should dispatch President Clinton to the middle east instructing him to explain the real and serious fact to the Israeli leaders (ii) very short time left for Israel to make peace on right platform accepting Palestine on 1967 borders with some adjustment and transfer of population (iii) 20-40 billion dollar seeding fund to the new government (iii) accepting 500,000 refugees from the Arab countries; half in Palestine and half in Israel (iv) peaceful and very broad peace treaty with not only Palestine but all the Arab countries. Or President Clinton should tell them that; the civilized world will not allow Israel to continue the illegal, apartheid and barbaric occupation any more. Down the line, Israel will be totally isolated in that part of the world and nothing else will be left for Israel but to accept a single state solution under majority of fierce and militant Hamas and their goons.

    November 29, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • cactus

      You are living a fantasy. You people have been playing this game for years, yoiu have fooled the world but not the U.S. and you never will.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:41 am | Reply
    • Fawlty

      Only if Obama had a spine and a couple of balls. No US President has/had courage to stand up to AIPAC and Israel. Pathetic. Who's the real super power?

      November 30, 2012 at 2:42 am | Reply
  38. Jack

    Interesting how Congress wants to punish countries financially when it doesn't get their vote in the UN. So much for our belief in democratic principles.

    November 29, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Reply
    • Lance Chambers

      Absolutely right. Well put.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Reply
  39. ilhan

    I personally don't understand the need to support Isreal when they are the oppressor of so many people iincluding Americans

    November 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Reply
    • JJ

      Oh really? Who do they oppress? You ignoramus...you are not American and have no money to give anyway...you also dont know how to spell Israel....

      November 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Reply
      • Lance Chambers

        If you can't contribute anything useful then please refrain from commenting at all.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Jim

      ilhan, obviously a muslim......no education, no writing skills....go take your lies somewhere else....Americans dont listen to or believe muslim propaganda and lies....

      November 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Reply
      • Faraj Gazzah

        Americans are waking up.
        Anyway if it had not been for israel the U.S. would have had no enemies.
        I hope the English pleases you.

        November 29, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
      • Lance Chambers

        I'll say the same to you – post useful information or, please, go away.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • cactus

      We realize you have a problem understand much of what occurs in the world. It is called a very limited thought process.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:42 am | Reply
      • Munir

        You sure have it. 38 to 9 of which 5 Are populated with less than 50,000 combine? They did not vote, they just followed the MASTER.

        November 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  40. True

    So Palestinians can't go after their rights because Israel may be taken to court? Yea that's logical and completly in line with the principles and ideals that America was founded on. American values (and soverignty) are being eroded for the benefit of another nation (Israel). No other nation on the planet allows itself to be so manipulated by another the way the US allows. It's time to be American and press for freedom, democracy, rights, and justice for all not just for those who we support because some book (Bible) tells us to support them.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
    • Jack

      Actually, the Bible does not even tell us to support them. It is just people's interpretation.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
      • Constantin

        the Bible speaks of : whomever blesses Israel will be blessed by God... so common sense say: ... and the reality is... I'm not an american but US has been blessed very much since they rallied behind Israel few decades ago. just a thought

        November 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Seal

      You actually believe the US supports Israel because of the bible? Are you 2 idiots slow? Do some research on all of the advantages...who would you rather them support? Terrorist muslims who kill babies and make war around the world? Israel has the most nobel prizes per capita in the world......some of the best technology in the world.....the US gains from supporting Israel....go spew your junk on the tehran times......

      November 29, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Reply
      • Hoze

        Seal, because of people like you there is so much hatred in this world and no peace

        November 29, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
      • dave

        most of you are freeking morons...religion is the root of all evil

        November 29, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
      • Lance Chambers

        The ROOT OF ALL EVIL is not religion, or politics, or the rich, or the poor. It is humans.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
      • Fawlty

        Supporting Israel = Supporting Nazi Germany

        November 30, 2012 at 2:44 am |
  41. Jannani

    US is a failed state with huge debt. Its debt will be 22 trillion by 2015.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
    • George

      All muslim states are failed states....

      November 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Reply
      • Lance Chambers

        It seems that today all states are failed.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Ayman

      5 millions Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) live behind Israeli borders (occupation) ! Only 1.8 millions have the right to vote(Israel recognize them as Israeli), others don't have any right even the right to move (Apartheid) or build houses or even sown trees. Israel doesn't want Peace, Israel keep killing Palestinians, Israel doesn't want to stop stealing the Palestinians land or even declare stop build Jews settlements on Palestinians land.

      November 29, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Reply
      • cactus

        Israel needs to lower the population of the Palestinians living under their control.

        November 30, 2012 at 2:46 am |
    • cactus

      That is why we need to stop supporting the Palestinians and thje UN. WE need only to support Israel and ourselves.

      November 30, 2012 at 2:45 am | Reply

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