November 28th, 2012
07:06 PM ET

U.S. had plans to nuke the moon

By Brian Todd and Dugald McConnell

You could easily skip by it in an archive search: a project titled "A Study of Lunar Research Flights." Its nickname is even more low-brow: "Project A-119."

But the reality was much more explosive.

It was a top-secret plan, developed by the U.S. Air Force, to look at the possibility of detonating a nuclear device on the moon.

It was hatched in 1958 - a time when the United States and the Soviet Union were locked in a nuclear arms race that would last decades and drive the two superpowers to the verge of nuclear war. The Soviets had also just launched Sputnik 1, the world's first satellite. The U.S. was falling behind in the space race, and needed a big splash.

"People were worried very much by (first human in space Soviet cosmonaut Yuri) Gagarin and Sputnik and the very great accomplishments of the Soviet Union in those days, and in comparison, the United States was feared to be looking puny. So this was a concept to sort of reassure people that the United States could maintain a mutually-assured deterrence, and therefore avoid any huge conflagration on the Earth," said physicist Leonard Reiffel, who led the project.

Reiffel, now 85, spoke to CNN at his home in Chicago. A 1959 report Reiffel wrote on the project, declassified many years ago, was obtained online by CNN.

According to Reiffel's report, "The motivation for such a detonation is clearly threefold: scientific, military and political."

The military considerations were frightening. The report said a nuclear detonation on the moon could yield information "...concerning the capability of nuclear weapons for space warfare." Reiffel said that in military circles at the time, there was "discussion of the moon as military high ground."

That included talk of having nuclear launch sites on the moon, he said. The thinking, according to Reiffel, was that if the Soviets hit the United States with nuclear weapons first and wiped out the U.S. ability to strike back, the U.S. could launch warheads from the moon.

"These are horrendous concepts," Reiffel said, "and they are hopefully going to remain in the realm of science fiction for the rest of eternity."

The basic plan, Reiffel explained, was for an intercontinental ballistic missile to be launched from an undisclosed location, travel some 240,000 miles to the moon, and detonate on impact. Various news reports since 1958 have said project leaders considered using an atom bomb the same size as "Little Boy," the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, near the end of World War II.

Reiffel, who was cited for that information in those reports, now says he wasn't in on those discussions.

Contrary to some reports, Reiffel told CNN, the device would not have "blown up" the moon. "Absolutely not. It would have been microscopic, so to speak. It would have been, I think, essentially invisible from the Earth, even with a good telescope."

Reiffel had some brilliant minds on his team. One of them was an up-and-coming graduate student named Carl Sagan. Sagan went on to become one of the world's most renowned astronomers, creating the book and popular TV series "Cosmos."

But after working on the moon program, Reiffel said, Sagan violated security when he mentioned the still-classified project on a job application. "He did formally break the classification status of the project", Reiffel said of Sagan, who subsequently died in 1996.

Sagan's widow, Ann Druyan, told CNN she's not sure if Sagan ever broke the classification, but if he did, she said, it wasn't intentional. "I can't imagine he would have done that knowingly," Druyan said.

By 1959, Project A-119 was drawing more concern than excitement.

"We didn't want to clutter up the natural radioactivities of the moon with additional bits of radioactivity from the Earth," Reiffel said. The project was abandoned.

Project planners also weren't sure of the reliability of the weapons, and feared the public backlash in the U.S. would be significant," Reiffel said.

"It disappeared in the files of the Pentagon", he said of the project. "They come up with what I believe was the right answer."

Contacted by CNN, the Air Force would not comment on Project A-119.


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soundoff (1,038 Responses)
  1. trigtwit palin... America's favorite tard baby

    *drool*

    November 29, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  2. Jimbo

    If we discovered any other country trying to do this we'd threaten them, declare war, etc... This is psycho, something I'd expect from N. Korea or Iran.

    November 29, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • Dexter

      That's funny because the LAST thing I expect from N. Korea or Iran is the ability to launch anything into space at all, much less to the moon.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Reply
      • Jimbo

        No sh1t sherlock

        November 29, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Mike

      China has stated they want to militarize the moon. We didn't declare war on them.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
      • Jimbo

        Because we want the Chinese off planet Earth anyways. So it's a win, win situation... nah mean?

        November 29, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  3. alex

    What

    November 29, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • Hot Puddles

      Your question can be answered by reading that long string of words above the comment section.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
  4. Fortwentt Rules

    Reiffel said that the blast couldnt be seen from the earth, but I recall reading websites a few years ago that were about people seeing meteor strikes on the moon using telescopes. So I wonder how he could say that. In any case any child could figure its not going to blow up the moon. Aliens would not be happy with us i dont think.
    Do a search on google for "meteor strikes on moon", i got over 3 mil results. Reiffel is a scientist?

    November 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • Tom Scott

      Do you have any idea how powerful a meteor strike is? Way more energy released than a medium sized nuke. Hiroshima didn't wipe out all mammals in the 1940's, yet a meteor wiped out all dinosaurs 65M years ago. You question if Reiffel is a scientist? And you are...?

      November 29, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
      • Max West

        I think you're thinking of asteroids or comets. Meteors are not that powerful and are extremely common.

        November 29, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • JMoz

      Fortwentt, seriously? Meteor strikes come in all sizes, including ones that have a much bigger impact than a nuclear bomb. The impact of a nuclear bomb is perhaps the biggest man made, but certainly not nature's biggest.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:02 pm | Reply
  5. Max

    Dear CNN, you might want to consider hiring writers who actually know what the term low-brow means.

    Was "non-descript" the term you were groping for, guys? "Cryptic" or "generic" maybe?

    When the military has a secret project code-named "Bowling Alley Boobjob" you may then accurately call it low-brow.

    November 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    • dinglederper

      LOL
      you are the best

      November 29, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Reply
    • dinglederper

      Id nuke that with my rifle

      November 29, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • derperofdingles

      good someone finally understands

      btw u make me hard

      November 29, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • derperofdingles

      good someone finally understands

      btw u make me hard:) :)

      November 29, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • kia fox

      good someone finally understands

      btw u make me hard:) :)

      November 29, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  6. candie

    Why would this happen?!?! I'm horrified! Why would anyone find it even remotely necessary to do this? As if destroying the earth isn't enough..stupid stupid mankind

    November 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
  7. krehator

    This specific plan was cancelled. Others were not. There are nukes in space. Have been for a long time.

    November 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
    • Greg

      Care to cite some independently verifiable evidence?

      November 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
      • Bob

        Greg I can see that you must be a democrat. Instead of putting your big boy pants on and doing some research, you just want someone to hand you the info...

        November 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • Hot Puddles

        Try tinfoilhat dot com.

        November 29, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
      • Also a Bob

        Bob, I can see you must be a republican. When asked for proof of a claim you choose to insult the person who dares to ask rather than just providing it like a big boy would.

        November 29, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  8. farcry228

    I got nukes up the ying yang, just let me lunch one!
    -Sir, are you suggesting we blow up the moon.
    Would you miss it, would you.

    Name that movie

    November 29, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
    • Ryan Jones

      I really can't remember but it is bugging me. I am going to guess Canadian Bacon.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
    • SteveOfTX

      Without actually looking it up, I'm going to take a wild guess and say "Dr. Strangelove". Sounds like it could be from there.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
    • SteveOfTX

      Just looked it up. Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  9. knotty

    This is how it went.
    Soviet Union: We are about to send the first man to the moon
    US: Hahaha, ya but we can blow a hole in the moon before you get there, nevermind thats a dumb idea....we'll send a man to the moon first....nanny nanny boo boo

    November 29, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
    • George Michaels

      LOL @ NANNY NANNY BOO BOO

      November 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
    • Bob in Atlanta

      We also has plans to use nukes to create a new Panama Canal or to propel spacecraft.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
  10. ffortnightly

    Does the US still have nuclear landmines?
    Grobbbbbbbbb

    November 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  11. BeerBrewerDan

    '"He did formally break the classification status of the project", Reiffel said of Sagan, who subsequently died in 1996.'

    So....breaking the classification status caused his death?

    November 29, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • Uncle Stumpy

      Yeah, they seem to have omitted a few details regarding Carl Sagan's life between the security lapse and his death, don't they?

      November 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
      • Hot Puddles

        Revenge is a dish best served 37 years cold...

        November 29, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Daud

      Yes, Dr. Sagan was executed for his security lapse.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
  12. NNN

    A plan to "look at the possibility" is not a plan. The story shows that even then the DoD was squandering money on worthless projects. Given their dismal record of failure to accomplish far less challenging engineering, they would have been working on it for another 20 years had they decided to go through with it, meaning it would have been abandoned long before they even came close to operational capability. Defense spending is the original stimulus spending, much of it is just welfare.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
  13. oreo

    More stimulative than the last bout of fiscal stimulus via O'Bombya's drones.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • mugzee

      Any better than Dubya's ?

      November 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Reply
  14. General Woody

    I'm just waiting to see how these blog trolls blame this on Obama. Suck it, moon.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
    • JJ

      You mean how obama is still blaming previous administrations 4 years later for his failures?

      November 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  15. JL

    Was this plan by chance proposed by Dr. Evil?

    November 29, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    • Mourning Wood

      For one million dollars...

      November 29, 2012 at 1:40 pm | Reply
  16. jake

    fat6yyyyyyyyyyyyyy

    November 29, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
  17. jake

    your message sucks you fat lug

    November 29, 2012 at 1:33 pm | Reply
  18. Robert

    God forbid should we ever encounter an intelligent being from "out there" who realizes our true human character. After obliterating our species, those of us left would wonder why anyone would want to destroy us.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply
    • Jodun

      If an alien race obliterated the Human Race, wouldn't that mean there was no one left to ponder why they (the aliens) did it? Not that I would blame them, we really shouldn't keep claiming to be an intelligent speciies when we prove over and over that we are anything but.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
  19. jimdog33

    Plan is one thing, how close did it come to fruition?

    November 29, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
    • David

      Either way, goes to show you we are a bunch of idiots.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Reply
  20. palintwit

    After years of study scientists working at the prestigous Sarah Palin Galactic Observatory / Bait Shop have determined that the moon is not made of green cheese afterall. This news came as a big disappointment to every teabagger south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
  21. Austin

    Is it any coincidence that Brad Bird and many Pixar autuers hold the number A-119 in high esteem in many of their movies? Did A-119 really represent a classroom number at university? Hmmmmmm... :)

    November 29, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Reply
    • Chris Anon

      Its not A-119 but A-113 that is used in Pixar films. Sorry to disappoint your conspiracy theory.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  22. John Spurlock

    Shame we didn't have a plan to nuke Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

    Think of the tragedies that could have been prevented.

    November 29, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Reply
    • Noocrat

      So childish and disrespectful. Gen-Xer.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Reply
    • palintwit

      Get back in your trailer, Spurlock. Nascar's on.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Reply
  23. jj

    Just guessing, but we've likely drawn up plans to nuke ever conceivable thing, at some point. Calling Dr Strangelove. Maybe Slim Pickens could pilot the rocket??? Yeee Haaaawwwww

    November 29, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
  24. USAUSA

    You know why we draw-up plans like this? BECAUSE WE CAN! WE'RE THE USA!!

    ahhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

    November 29, 2012 at 12:51 pm | Reply
  25. Fa Fa Fooey

    The moon controls womens cycles. We should most definitely get rid of it!

    November 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • Jeremy

      ARE YOU CRAZY!! The moon controls the women's cycle. CONTROLS being the key word. It would the end if you removed that control.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Reply
    • Lynda

      The moon does not control women's cycles. It does create the tides with its magnetic pull. Many, many animals in the sea have spawning times based on those tides, including those that make up plankton. Plankton is a major part of the ocean's food chain. The moon also stablizes the earth's poles from moving around to different directions. Because the poles are fairly stable, there is life on earth.
      .
      And it is moving away from earth at a surprising rate, too.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Reply
      • Sidewinder

        I think you mean gravitational pull?

        November 29, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
      • info

        The tides are created by the moon's GRAVITATIONAL pull, not magnetic. FYI

        November 29, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  26. /sigh

    if you didnt know this you probably went to an american school, i learned about this when i was 14.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Reply
    • Justin S

      The ignorance of your comments supersedes the ignorance of the American people (which you're trying to convey).

      November 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Reply
    • Tom Scott

      You've opened yourself up to a lot of comebacks, so here's mine: Where are YOU from? In the space below, I'm inviting you to list all of your nation's accomplishments. Tell us all about YOUR space program, moon landings, jetliner manufacturing, automobile manufacturing, expertise in infrastructures, bailing out entire continents during two world wars, providing economic assistance to half of the world...I think you get the point. Don't bash us, we just might decide to take away many of the things that brings your squalid, oppressed heck-hole of a nation into modern living conditions.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
  27. Joe Mama

    LOL @ Ron. Wow that was deep, man. You come up with that on your own? Keep posting. Your efforts are really making a difference!

    November 29, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
  28. Greg Faith

    When the Chinese are mining Helium 3 and owning all of the nuclear fusion reactors on this planet, we will have wished we were still going to the moon. It contains a very valuable element needed for endless energy here on Earth.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
  29. Look Out Moon

    We're Earthlings, let's blow up earth things.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
    • Hot Puddles

      We're going to blow it up during a full moon to make sure we get the whole thing.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
      • Galileo, grandson of Ulysses

        Why?

        November 29, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  30. walmart shopper

    we must not allow a mineshaft gap!

    November 29, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Reply
    • POE

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Reply
      • Yossarian

        This clumsy fool attempted to plant that silly camera on me.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  31. Ron

    Like I said, mankind is no dam good, what it can't control it will sh-t on or destroy!!!

    November 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Reply
    • MarkinFL

      Sounds like my dog....

      November 29, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Reply
  32. alpinequeen

    We've done some pretty stupid things over the years and planned to do even stupider things.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
    • m

      We have in deed done some crazy things as a species and will possibly do more in years to come. Even though the plan to have missiles launched from the moon or to it were never implemented the people involved were still thinking about it as a possibility. In some ways I am clad that it was not done since it could have caused some unknown results which could have had terrible repricussions on us as a whole.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Reply
  33. Lance D.

    Bonjour Street Smart - Honey Molasses invited - Does W.H. luncheon smell like "banana cheese" to everyone?

    November 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
  34. Entertained

    We looked at it, we shot the idea down. End of story. For all those critics and people with 20/20 hindisght on world events it should be interesting for for us and those in the future to see what we were right and wrong on based on our own beliefs at this point in time. And as a few said at least this is a country where this was able to be discussed.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Reply
    • Jimbo Jones

      Yeah, figuring that "nuking the moon" is a bad idea is totally 20/20 hindsight, Monday morning QB-ing. If there was an actual plan in place for it, morons in the high command were advocating for it and would have gone ahead with it.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Reply
      • MarkinFL

        Clearly not just hindsight since they did not actually do it. And the rest of your post is pure speculation.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
      • Deej59

        Exactly right, because, of course, we had no idea the moon controlled the tides back then. Oh wait, we've known since the late 1600s. Well, maybe our scientists and military folks just hadn't heard of Sir Isaac Newton.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
      • Tom Scott

        Deej: For cryin' out loud, did you READ the article? We weren't going to blow the moon up. We speculated about putting another crater on its surface to show the Soviets that we can do it. Sheesh!

        November 29, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  35. palintwit

    trigtwit palin is a friend of mine. I don't mind it at all that he drools.

    November 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
  36. Howie

    Conrad – stop being a self-hater! Women are no better equipped to rule than men. we are all human, and will all make the same mistakes for political reasons instead of doing the right thing for everyone. Look at the female politicians currently extant in the world – not exactly inspiring. Also, you ask what right we have? Give me a break. As the only intentional beings in the universe as far as we know, we have whatever rights we want to have. We are it, the be all and end all. If we want to put a few more craters on the moon and add a bit to the ambient radiation levels, there is absolutely no reason not to. It's not like there is an ecosystem there to damage or anything. as far as doing something just to make the US look good – when you are in a state of existential danger all means to compete are acceptable. Both the former Soviet Union, and the current Chinese Empire are obsessed with image, so to project an image of technical superiority will cause either to make foolish commitments of resources to counter that image. That is why we won the first cold war, and the only way we are likely to survive the current one. The Soviet Union overspent and collapsed – we can only hope the Chinese do the same.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:52 am | Reply
    • Ryan Jones

      I am sure that the Chineese Government will crumble when they are faced with their crushing debt. They will soon be forced to borrow money from America just to get by.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
  37. macthek9

    My fellow Americans. We have just shot the moon down... That's why the moon is gone. Sorry! Couldn't help myself... It appeared communist on those crescent phases.

    God bless America!

    November 29, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
    • Deej59

      Senator McCarthy approved of this plan, I'm sure. But first he'd want that communist moon to name names.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
  38. ravi

    they failed to mention that carl sagan later on campaigned against nuclear weapons and testing on animals

    November 29, 2012 at 11:44 am | Reply
    • Tom Scott

      I shudder at the thought of someone testing a nuclear weapon on small animals.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
  39. Harvey Wallbanger

    If this was top secret, it wasn't very well kept. I am old enough to remember Sputnik and the excitement it caused. I also knew about the plans to detonate an atom bomb on the moon. I had always assumed the project was dumped because it was a dumb idea. Just like trying to build a nuclear powered bomber and a 600 foot steerable radio telescope.

    The airfarce didn't want to be left out of the nuclear game. The navy had nuclear powered boats and the army had the Davy Crockett nuclear cannon. The idea behind the radio telescope was to listen in on Soviet radio traffic reflected off the moon. All of the projects were 'top secret' and yet I knew about them when I was an 8 year old kid

    November 29, 2012 at 11:43 am | Reply
    • Richard J.

      Sputnik wasn't classified. The Soviets announced it to the world. You did not know of the project to nuke the moon, you might have heard as I did about why don't we use the moon to test our nuclear weapons, the project itself was kept secret. You could stretch it and say the Air Force does have nuclear aircraft, they carry nuclear bombs and missiles. The Navy has both nuclear boats AND ships (yes there is a difference). The radio telescopes did exist, there were 14 of them at 8 sites, I was stationed at 4 of them, but they did not collect "bounced" signals off the moon (moon is round, it scatters them), they collected the signals as they bounced off the atmosphere. Those sites have been disbanded and torn down since the early '00s, replaced by satellites.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Reply
    • Seriously

      airfarce???????????? Seriously show some respect the United States Air Force is a branch of the military and don't you forget it. Imagine fighting a war without them. Think before you run your mouth.

      November 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Reply
      • Military

        It is also called the Chair-Force

        November 29, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
      • Richard J.

        " Imagine fighting a war without them."

        Yea, imagine ... Revolutionary War, Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII. Yep, I imagined fighting wars without the USAF. ;-)

        November 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  40. macthek9

    Oh, so that's where the saying "shoot the moon" came from! Or, just strap Allice to the rocket that was going "to the moon" HEHEHE.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:42 am | Reply
  41. CZ

    Another misleading headline to grab your attention. Conducting a nuclear test on the moon is not "nuking the moon". Conducting a test in New Mexico is not "nuking the Earth"

    November 29, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • Steven

      We have no business conducting such tests. The moon is a time capsule, reflecting 3.8 billion years of meteorite impacts. It is a reflection of the violent birth of our early solar system. Conducting a nuclear detonation would tarnish parts of that record.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
      • CZ

        I do not comment on the propriety of lunar nuclear detonations - crazier schemes were devised during the Cold War. I simply find it offensive for CNN to continually use misleading headlines that exaggerate events out of proportion. Most people would agree a nuclear detonation on the moon should not be characterized as "nuking the moon," which suggests plots from the movie Armageddon.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:51 am |
      • Howie

        The moon is a lifeless rock, and a possible depository of valuable resources. There is absolutely no moral or ethical reason NOT to detonate nuclear weapons on the moon's surface. I don't know if there is a good reason TO detonate them, but arguments against are lacking in substance and validity.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:54 am |
      • Tomk

        Wah!

        November 29, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Richard

      I agree. I was going to post a similar message as you when I read the headline and then read the first paragraph of this article. Its sad that even CNN has to stoop so low as to have sensationalist headlines.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
    • Olaf Big

      It's surely senseless. If you can drop a bag of potatoes on the moon, you can drop a nuclear warhead. What is the useful payoff for spending couple billion dollars on this? One important point mentioned in the article is that detonating a nuclear device on the moon would change its natural radioactivity profile, and make many scientifically valuable projects impossible.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
      • starstruck

        Useful application is to see if space detonations are similar to atmospheric detonations(check). Can help when the next big rock hurtling towards earth is found, or if the little green men mount an attack...

        November 29, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
      • Hot Puddles

        "What is the useful payoff for spending couple billion dollars on this?"

        Job creation. Where do you think those billions go if not to pay people to make this happen.

        November 29, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Deej59

      In fairness to this network, there are two points here that you aren't noticing. First, the headline is correct. Sending a nuke to the moon for detination is "nuking the moon". I think the problem here is you, and a lot of others (including me when I'm not actively thinking about it) equate "nuke" with "blow to bits". Second, they've got about 35 characters to work with before the headline becomes so long it wraps and wipes out the formatting of the front page. The headline for this story gave you the basic idea in 32 or 33 characters. This site IS guilty of misleading headlines nearly every day, but this isn't one of them.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Reply
    • Hot Puddles

      It is not, blowing up the moon, but technically, it is nuking it.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  42. SayAsIs

    Profit Mummad bet them to it by 1400 years

    November 29, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
  43. obama4life

    Susan Rice is against this type of nonsense.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:25 am | Reply
  44. Olaf Big

    The project was for sure loony. It is reassuring that it was quickly abandoned. It is less reassuring that they actually created a working group to study it seriously.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
    • Clyde M

      It wasn't looney because it wasn't designed to actually do anything to the moon. The whole point had nothing at all to do with the moon. It was to be a show of military force to impress/threaten the Soviet Union who was getting ahead of us in the space race. We wanted to show them that we could drop a nuke anywhere we wanted–even not on Earth–any time we wanted. That was the intent, and in that way it was rather sane in its way. It would have been an unmistakable show of force indeed.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
    • Rob

      "Luny" missed a great opportunity there.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Reply
  45. History Bear

    Moon is still a military high ground, only today it's not in the realm of fantasy. Sooner or later someone is going to put an installation in space or on the moon. I'd rather it be us than the Chinese, or Russians.

    November 29, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
    • Olaf Big

      Sounds like spending cuts is not your thing...

      November 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Reply
    • Richard J.

      Nobody will militarize the moon. And if it was possible, I would rather it be the Chinese or Russians because the expense to do it and then maintain it would be, no pun intended, out of this world. And to take it one step further, think about it. A nuclear launch on the U.S. from the moon? We would have three days to counter it. Defeats the purpose.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Reply
    • Alex Gessong

      A military base on the moon would be pointless. There's nothing you could do on the moon that couldn't be done from low Earth orbit. The moon is a quarter of a million miles from Earth and in a non-synchronous orbit. Military use would require a more or less geosynchronous orbit, no more than 23 thousand miles from Earth. No rational power, whether the US, Russia, China, nor any other nation is likely to go to the expense of militarizing the moon, because there would be no return on the investment.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
      • Tom Scott

        "no return on investment"? Well maybe in the recruiting department. I joined the navy years ago because my recruiter told me of all the neat places I would be sent, and it was true. Think of being stationed on the moon!

        November 29, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  46. Denverboy

    classic cold war menality.....same old same old.....

    November 29, 2012 at 11:08 am | Reply
  47. MT1962

    It was an option they considered and rejected, so what? All the shrill voices here need to relax. If nothing else, it shows the Moon was on folks' minds. About three years later, President Kennedy's 1961 speech urged us to commit to traveling to the Moon, peaceably.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • Tom Scott

      Agreed, but: If you read the book The Right Stuff, our outward purpose for going to the moon may have been peaceful, but our underying reason was to practice ICBM launches. If we can put all that lunar hardware on the moon, successfully, half a dozen times, we sure as heck can pinpoint Russian cities, military bases, defense plants, etc with nuclear weapons.

      November 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  48. T

    I remember the movie "The Time Machine" (the 2000 remake, that is...) and the time traveler went to the year 2037 and the moon was being mined and somebody up there screwed up and blew apart the moon and it was starting to rain down on the Earth. The time traveler escaped into the future while everyone else went underground.

    Anyone else remember that one ?

    November 29, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply
    • Anthony

      I do, it was with Guy Pearce. It was pretty good; I think I still have it on DVD in a box in my garage.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
    • God No

      God, no. Why would anyone have watched that tripe?

      November 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
      • Tom Scott

        Please don't use the lord's name when making sour grape commens. He wants us to be happy : )

        November 29, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
  49. smartaz

    The man on the moon keeps looking at me funny. The SOB deserves whatever he gets.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • Wow

      Take your meds.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:08 am | Reply
    • weezer

      No, no, no...he's looking at ME, not you. The man in the moon doesn't care about you. He's my friend....

      November 29, 2012 at 11:17 am | Reply
  50. Realist3333

    You Americans do know that any change of the moon causes severe tsunami's and interfere's with our planets natural cycle . This just adds to the worlds view of your extreme ignorance ..Its like your country won't be happy till the earth is completely destroyed :( .Babylon the great aye and i am not religious

    November 29, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • John

      You do realize this was 50 years ago and not today, right?

      November 29, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • Mike

      Um . . . before you talk about "ignorance" you might want to understand that a 20kt nuke on the moon would have no measurable affect on the moon's orbit or structure.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:49 am | Reply
    • EricJette

      It's not ignorance, it's just that we'll try anything once!

      Besides, look at the hits the moon has taken in the past, a 15 kiloton nuke would be like a nat's bite on the backside of an elephant in comparison. The moon has been "nuked" many many times by bigger rocks falling on it. Only the ignorant would think you could "blow the moon up"!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:55 am | Reply
    • InkyGuy

      So, you are indicting the United States for something it didn't do?! While it was a stupid idea, rather than crediting the U.S. with making the right decision, you use something that was under consideration and cancelled to blame the country as if it committed these acts. You also do not note that the U.S. has a free press enough press people who can reveal this and not be punished by the government. That is something to be commended, not condemned.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:01 am | Reply
    • Foreals

      It's like generalizing the entire US population makes you feel better about whatever armpit of the world you come from.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
    • daknik

      You realize there are craters in the moon the size of some countries caused by meteor strikes right? Those would each be a major change to the moon and the earth was not wrecked by massive tsunami's. Plus the fact that a "little boy" yield nuke surface detonation wouldn't have barely scratched the surface in comparison to these craters.
      And by the way... the United States was in the middle of a cold war where it had to think of every possible avenue it may be attacked from and come up with a plan to prevent that. Obviously we never did the test, so we decided it wasn't a threat worth pursuing. And i'm sure the Soviet Union considered something similar around the same time.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
    • History Bear

      Changes will only impact the earth if we alter the moons orbit or significantly reduce it's mass. Not in the realm of scientific possiblility. Ever look closely and see all those craters? We ain't in the running for moon destruction or alteration.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:24 am | Reply
      • JD in GA

        If you remember in 2008 we bombed the moon, supposedly to check for moisture in the soil. Since then hurricanes, tsunamis and earthquakes have been more extreme. Is there a connection? Maybe

        November 29, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
      • Clyde M

        You're in Gerogia, JD? Same place that stickered textbooks to explicitly call out evolution as "just a theory?" I'm not saying the state's understanding of science isn't top notch, but...

        November 29, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • JamesS

      You accuse other of ignorance, and yet your post leaves you sounding more ignorant than most. The Americans DID NOT do it. You are insulting people for something they didn't do. Using that "logic," someone could claim that you won't be happy until the Earth is destroyed. It doesn't make sense, does it? There is a very big different between coming up with an idea and people actually implementing that idea.

      Second a nuclear explosion on the moon would not make the changes you claim it would. Yes, it would throw a lot of debris from the surface of the moon. The amount displaced would be trivial when compared to the total mass of the moon and I suspect that much of the debris would stay in the moon's gravity well and fall back to its surface. Also, take a look at the moon's surface. It is covered with craters of various sizes some are very large. If the moon can handle hits from from things large enough to create those, then it could handle a blast from a bomb.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • Joepub

      Meanwhile 10 years earlier in the 40's you had the likes of Hitler and Mussolini creating havoc and as I recall, you guys were pssing in your pants hoping that we would join the war effort.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:52 am | Reply
    • Clyde M

      Please remove the word "Realist" from your username if you don't mind...

      November 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    • Hot Puddles

      Actually, of all the impacts of not having a moon, the creation of huge tsunamis really wouldn't be among them as those are generally caused by sudden displacement of water, usually under the water (via earthquake or mud slide) or impact to the ocean (via asteroid impact). Tides would actually level off a lot more if we had no moon, not get wilder.

      Of course, we'd have other problems, stagnation of weather, jet streams, and ocean currents, perhaps (because tidal forces would level out and not mix up the air and water as much). It may also lessen the geologic activity of Earth's crust, which would be good and bad. It could screw with a lot of wildlife cycles and abilities (like night vision), too, to unknown affect. But what it would probably not do is either cause, or prevent, tsunamis.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
  51. getreal

    "Contrary to some reports, Reiffel told CNN, the device would not have "blown up" the moon."
    Which reports are these? A 3rd graders? They could have done this and nobody would have even noticed. The fission bombs used at that time weren't the planet-exploding 1-nuke-destroys-the-world type of bombs that everybody thinks. You all need to stop watching so much bad TV.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
    • Mike

      The whole "blow up the moon" thing has been around for years. I mean, seriously, years. I would guess someone early on got wind of this and either didn't do the math, or somehow believed the moon was a giant soap bubble and were genuinely worried that it would blow up if hit by a tactical scale nuke. Or they were willfully taking the "Let's pop a nuke on the moon" idea and blowing it out of proportion into "They're going to bl;ow up the moon!" for wherever conspiracy they were championing at the time.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:53 am | Reply
      • M I Snow

        Maybe they think it would melt all the cheese... :))

        November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am |
      • Clyde M

        Sweet! Who needs a moon of crusty green cheese when you can have a perpetual ring of delicious melted gooey queso going around the planet?

        November 29, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  52. Lance D.

    Bonjour Street Smart - Je suis Francais et L'Alegrien mais "Ja, ich kann ein sehr gutes Deutsch sprechen," UND puedo decir algun Espanol tambien - que puis-je dire? Bossa Nova: "Garota de Ipanema" (wink)

    November 29, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
  53. we suck

    U S A!!!!!!, U S A!!!!!!!, U S A!!!!, U S A!!!!!!!!!!

    November 29, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
  54. Stephen

    Hmmmm, nuking the moon, better than nuking the Earth, at least there are no people to kill on the moon

    November 29, 2012 at 10:25 am | Reply
    • Realist3333

      Hmm no only wall to wall tidel waves

      November 29, 2012 at 10:31 am | Reply
      • InkyGuy

        Whatever its merits or lack thereof, explosions on the Moon would not cause "tidel waves," i.e., tsunamis. Tsunamis are caused by displacement of water. You lack a sense of both the size of the moon and its proximity to the Earth to think that a nuclear explosion (even thermonuclear) would cause tsunamis on the Earth. The Moon has experienced many impacts large enough that the vestiges of them can be easily seen on Earth, which is 300K miles away. The only possible scenario would be a very, very large piece of ejecta which would consequently make its way intact to the Earth's surface. I'm not seeking to be an apologist for this foolish Cold War idea, but tsunamis would not have been a danger.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • conrad

      What right to we have to nuke anything? Leave the moon, and the earth in peace.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:58 am | Reply
      • starstruck

        did you mean piece?

        November 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
      • Clyde M

        Um, I believe we have the right because we are America?

        U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

        November 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  55. Alex

    What an insane world we live in! What insane people rule the U.S.!

    Nuke the moon for the sake of the U.S. to look good??? Seriously?!

    November 29, 2012 at 10:22 am | Reply
    • retiree

      And this is the same USA that ordered troops to walk to ground zero after nuclear bomb blasts in Nevada in the 1950s, the same USA that ordered "volunteer" troops to ingest LSD so that some Harvard folks could engage in some research, and the same USA that simply can't balance a budget and never wants to.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
      • Al

        No! The government knows best! Strong central government means that grass roots issues and problems at the local level get addressed most efficiently! (according to tards)

        November 29, 2012 at 10:45 am |
      • Jimmy

        The Government is inefficient and backrupt, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, now they want to run the ACA. Let's see how that works out? Anybody want to guess???

        November 29, 2012 at 10:56 am |
      • conrad

        You may say it is the 'government', but I say it is men.

        It's time to give women the reins to make things right. Male ego is too much of a beast and should not be allowed to decide anything any longer.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:01 am |
      • jbcal

        Sorry conrad, but women like sarah palin, michelle bachman and the witch woman oconnel or whatever her name is, blows your theory.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Mike

      It was the 50's. A very different time. Nuclear weapons were scary then, to be sure, but atomic bombs were seriously considered for peaceful purposes as well, in both the US and former Soviet Union, such as mining, space propulsion, etc., so popping a nuke on the moon wasn't that far fetched an idea.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
    • conrad

      Indeed, what bizzarre chest beating logic is it that concludes "nuking the moon will make us look good" ... God, in whose eyes?

      November 29, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
      • M I Snow

        If you don't know "in whose eyes" then you have no clue of the gloval socio-political mindset of the '50s. Study some history then comment...

        November 29, 2012 at 11:35 am |
      • Hot Puddles

        Oh please, you don't think being the first country to both land on AND nuke the moon wouldn't be cool?

        November 29, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Clyde M

      It wasn't so much to make America look good as it was to make the Soviets look bad.

      Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this moon!

      U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

      November 29, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
      • Tom Scott

        "Tear down this moon". Ha! first comment to make me laugh today. Now back to work I go. I'll leave the rest of you to counter the foriegn commenters here that think we want to "blow up the moon" to prove how powerful we are.

        November 29, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  56. Rob-Texas

    Thankfully this project was stopped and we are still living as a result. If you change the orbit of the moon, every creature on Earth will pay the price.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:20 am | Reply
    • Mike

      You do know that a 20kt nuke (roughly what was referenced in the article) would have virtually no measurable affect on the moon's orbit, right? The moon still gets hit with meteoric impacts with higher energy yields then that on a fairly regular basis.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply
    • Clyde M

      Sigh.

      Dropping a nuke that size on the moon would no more affect the moon's orbit than dropping the scores of nukes we have all over earth have affected Earth's orbit. As was said, the moon has gotten smacked by meteors with several tens of times that energy level and been fine.

      November 29, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
  57. The Doctor

    I have come to the conclusion that the Daleks are Republicans of the future, Exterminate, Annihilate, Destroy!!!

    November 29, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
    • Charles

      Sorry, but this wasn't a Republican project. Democrats were just as involved as Republicans. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:34 am | Reply
    • RZ70

      Just don't. I'm pretty sure that if The Doctor were an actual perosn, his opinion would be that ALL of these petty politicians are far too interested in a universe of irrelevant things when there is literally an entire universe of relevant things to consider.
      You may, however, treat yourself to a jellybaby for being half right.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
  58. Lance D.

    Eurodisco: Cerrone "Midnite Lady" - from his "Paradise"

    November 29, 2012 at 10:15 am | Reply
  59. Bugs

    Interesting article, but hardly surprising. Absolutely nothing that went on at the height of the Cold War surprises me.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:14 am | Reply
  60. Greg Faith

    When the Chinese are mining Helium 3 and owing all of the nuclear fusion reactors on this planet, we will have wished we were still going to the moon. It contains a very valuable element needed for endless energy here on Earth.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:13 am | Reply
    • Joepub

      I like holding Helium 3 balloons... until my hair and teeth fall out.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
  61. Kevin

    It's not the shooting them AT the moon that bothers me... at all. It's the shooting them FROM the moon that's scary.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:12 am | Reply
    • Mike

      Scary, yeah, but not as scary as some of the other hair-brained schemes to come out of the cold war. One thing that would have been good though, would have been the Lunar development that would have come with the weapons installation. When the cold war eventually ran down, there would be infrastructure in place for peaceful development.

      Sadly, another opportunity lost to history – even if it was spawned from a bucket full of crazy.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
      • conrad

        What do we need to 'develop' the moon for? To create another garbage pit like we have here on earth?
        Leave it be ...we've shown repeatedly we don't know what we are doing. All we do is destroy in the name of 'progress'.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:05 am |
      • Mike

        The point of developing the moon is to extend progress and, arguably, to give a chance for Humanity to grow beyond the confines of a single biosphere. While I actually agree with the concept of "we should learn to manage our own biosphere before we go mucking about in others," the Moon is a logical starting point for long term colonization of space and further exploration.

        Sorry you don't see the long term potential or the cost of a lost opportunity.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  62. JB

    There must've been some tiny wee-wees in the US govt back then. Our arms race with Russia was nothing more than overcompensation for something else.

    November 29, 2012 at 10:08 am | Reply
    • SilverBack

      and your comment must have a hidden meaning too...JB or is BJ?

      November 29, 2012 at 10:24 am | Reply
    • Charles

      Perhaps it would be helpful for all of you to understand that the US gov't explores many, many options. Most, like this one, are quickly abandoned as unneeded, unworkable, too expensive, or just too dangerous. Better to consider all options than to adopt a poor strategy.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
    • conrad

      This is why women need to rule. Women innately understand that our energy, resources, and efforts are better spent on being sure everyone has eaten.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:07 am | Reply
      • He'sNotSoBad

        So how would that work when dealing with the Taliban in the Middle East who have no respect for women or any authority they might hold?

        November 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  63. Lance D.

    Bonjour Street Smart: France Joli "Come to Me"

    November 29, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
  64. IvotedforObama

    I wonder what other tantilizing secrets are hidden away?

    November 29, 2012 at 10:06 am | Reply
  65. Lance D.

    RE: Obama/Romney W.H. Lunch - Paul Ryan will be there to quickly "slice and dice" any banana cheese.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:59 am | Reply
  66. Billy D William

    I would nuke the moon and watch it explode with a nice cold bottle of Colt 45.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
    • Realist3333

      You are the typical stupid American .How do you make a country powerful , when the elite control the population and make them incredibly thick .You are a prime example lol

      November 29, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
      • Mike

        Humor is not your strong suit, is it?

        November 29, 2012 at 10:55 am |
      • conrad

        It's not humor, it's acurate analysis.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:08 am |
  67. KW

    The moon is populated by ant-like humanoids and dinosaur-size caterpillars....HG Wells and Ray Harryhausen taught us that.
    That's why nobody has been back since the 60's....too scary.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
  68. Billy

    Definitely a REPUBLICAN idea... War with this country... War with that country... War with Moon.. War with Galaxy... War with the Universe... War with the Gods... And what did we have as a result => George Bush !!

    November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • HMD

      You, Sir... Nailed It.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:51 am | Reply
      • Foreals

        So you're saying the Romans, Greeks, Persians, British, Chinese, Germans.... pretty much every civilization in history was Republican? Wow... just wow

        November 29, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Jason

      Spoken like a true uneducated Democrat. How long will you blame Bush for the issues that stem back in the early 90s during Clinton's reign? Know your facts before posting comments with no justification behind them.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
      • Pig in a Poke

        Aaaaaah lighten up Francis

        November 29, 2012 at 10:06 am |
      • KW

        Bush betrayed and murdered our country.
        Let see: 2 unending wars, Unpaid tax cuts, Unpaid pharmaceutical benefits...
        He ignored our debt while President Clinton tried to resolve it.
        Talk about unedumacated (Bushism).

        November 29, 2012 at 10:11 am |
      • irunner

        We'll keep blaming Bush until his failed policies and wars no longer affect mine, my childrends and grandchild's lives.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:21 am |
      • SilverBack

        Long after he's dead of course! It's all Bush's fault, without a doubt! Even Mitt and Palin are Bush's fault!

        November 29, 2012 at 10:27 am |
      • RememberCarter

        And please recall just how many long years the Rebuplicans blamed Jimmy Carter for everything - and with much less cause.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:46 am |
      • Foreals

        Obama has been waging war since his first day in office.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:09 am |
      • voradtralundir

        And it was a holdover from eight years of arrogance begun by a man that couldn't pronounce "Nuclear" without sounding like an idiot.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • BS

      Lets blame Bush for everything!

      Adam ate the apple ... It's Bush's Fault!
      The great flood ... It's Bush's Fault!
      Roman Empire fell ... It's Bush's Fault!
      English Empire fell ... It's Bush's Fault!
      The dark ages ... It's Bush's Fault!
      The sun sent a flare to earth ... It's Bush's Fault!
      Aliens Invade ... It's Bush's Fault!
      12/21/2012 ... Oh so Bush's Fault!
      The disappearance of Maya Empire ... It's Bush's Fault!
      All Hurricanes ... It's Bush's Fault!
      Everything bad in the world ... Bush's Fault!

      Ridiculous? Most definitely! Wake up there are bad people all over the place!

      November 29, 2012 at 9:59 am | Reply
      • Magic Jew

        Adam and the Great Flood are both myths.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:10 am |
      • SilverBack

        It was Eve that ate the apple you Dork! But her last name was Bush.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:29 am |
      • BS

        Eve got adam to eat the apple is what I'm referring to but what I was saying is that even though everyone knows that we are still blaming Bush for it, because that's just the cool thing to do, right? It's still ridiculous!

        November 29, 2012 at 10:44 am |
      • BS

        MagicJew if they are both myths then it's Bush's fault for starting the myth! Right?

        November 29, 2012 at 10:48 am |
      • voradtralundir

        Bush was an arrogant moron that believed everything his handlers told him. It was only at the end of his Presidency that he began to act like an intelligent, involved, concerned and humble human being. A little late since those should have been requirements for the position he held.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:59 am |
      • Lee Enfield

        Talk to my wife. She'd say all of those things were MY fault.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • johnymac60

      Really? Well, let's look at some actual facts, rather than bs, shall we?
      Abraham Lincoln – Republican – Civil War. You score a point.
      Woodrow Wilson – Democrat – First World War. You lose a point.
      FDR – Democrat – WW2 – You are negative 1.
      Harry Truman – Democrat – Korea – You are negative 2.
      JFK – Democrat – Vietnam – you are negative 3.
      GWB – Republican – GWOT (Iraq and Afganistan) – You are negative 2.

      Lots of Presidents attacked lots of little places, but I only counted the biggies. We can go into those as well if you like. Now that you know the facts – that Democrats have gotten us into more wars than Republicans, will you admit you are wrong and become a Republican? No? No surprise. Facts seem to matter little to liberal idiots. Have a great day!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
      • SilverBack

        Republican or Democrate, really doesn't matter, the fact is it's men that start war and usually over something stupid. Men will be th downfall of humanity.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:33 am |
      • JayKay

        but more importantly look at the reasons for each of those wars and their outcomes.... plus 100 points for Dems!

        November 29, 2012 at 11:08 am |
      • AL

        The republican party at the time of Lincoln was actually closer to the democrats of today

        November 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Charles

      And you Billy were definitely a Democrat idea. Stupid and foolish. and it shows.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • conrad

      No no no ... it's not Republican's it is MEN. It is time to let women rule.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:09 am | Reply
  69. Hybridhor

    Whey did they not go through with it? Because it was soon discoverd shortly afterwards that the moon was already occupied. THERE ARE ALIEN BASES ON THE MOON. THIS IS FACT, and very much covered up by NASA.

    They would have started a galactic war if they did. Not to mention the last time they bombed the moon with a projectile that caused the moon to 'RING LIKE A BELL" for 3 hours. What natural object does that? How do you explain that? The moon is an artificial satalite, not of this origin. NASA was warned to stay away. that is why they have not returned since the 60's. this is all truth.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • TinKnight

      Riiiighhhht....

      November 29, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
    • Really?

      You need to quit smoking that stuff so early in the morning... troll.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • Clyde M

      Well, clearly if it was posted by an anonymous user on an internet comment forum then it MUST be truth. That's the very definition of what const.itutes truth...

      November 29, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
    • John

      Putting things in all caps doesn't make your points true. If these are facts please list your sources.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
      • Hybridhor

        I don't need to post my resources. Do your own reseach if you want. There is enought of it out there. I don't care if I am rediculed. I used to think it was a load or bull myself and laughed at the idea. Until I started doing my homework. And trust me, many hours put into it. The evidence was overwealming. Even when I remembered books on the Moon I looked at as a child and wondered why so many things were airbrushed out in the photos. I may have been a kid, but I knew the pictures did not look normal and something was blurred out. 30 years later I see the same photos on the internet!!! And find out what they were trying to hide. Go do your own research if you want to find out the truth.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:08 am |
      • Seraphim01

        Hybrid, just a hint: when people want to be taken seriously on scientific matters, it behooves them to cite sources for verification. You open yourself up for ridicule by not doing so–aside from having such an... outlandish, at best, claim.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:19 am |
      • JeramieH

        > I don't need to post my resources.

        Burden of proof lies with those making the claim. It's not our responsibility to prove your point.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:41 am |
      • Clyde M

        You lost the argument at "I don't need to post my resources."

        You have made a claim and not only failed to back it up, but STEADFASTLY REFUSE TO. There are no aliens, your attempt at trolling has failed. Crawl back in your hole.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Daremonai

      Ahm.. all planets, moons, and other rock based objects do that.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:41 am | Reply
    • engineer

      there's a lot of truthiness to that truth, and not a lot (or any) facts

      November 29, 2012 at 9:44 am | Reply
    • SB1790

      Read the National Enquirer much?

      November 29, 2012 at 9:59 am | Reply
    • taffd

      all of that stuff you said is not true-why, the moon told me so itself last night!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:11 am | Reply
    • Nathan

      And thus the t.tle of my new book "Goodnight (Secret Alien Bases on the) Moon."

      November 29, 2012 at 11:07 am | Reply
    • conrad

      What lunacy!!

      November 29, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
    • Hoser

      I know I know I was there last Friday night...they have really good beer

      November 29, 2012 at 11:36 am | Reply
    • Lee Enfield

      Hybidhor! For revealing our plans and location to the general public, your punishment is assimilation! Say goodbye to your family. We'll be by around dinner time to assimilate you. You may bring a snack.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
      • Hybridhor

        LMAO!!!

        November 29, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  70. striker

    Good thing they didn't have of earths population would dissapear as well from all the fragments.....

    November 29, 2012 at 9:27 am | Reply
    • TinKnight

      Uhm...we didn't disappear from the fragments from all of the nuclear explosions on the Earth, why would a "small" nuclear detonation on the moon cause the extinction of human life on Earth?

      Although it's small in comparison to the Earth, the moon is not "small" and wouldn't be shattered by a Little Boy-sized detonation.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
  71. hingedlwnb

    They had no choice. An invasion would have been far too costly in lives and green cheese.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
  72. bob

    I detonated a device on Uranus last night.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am | Reply
    • Ghostman

      gay

      November 29, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • conrad

      Wrong forum sicko.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:15 am | Reply
    • Hai

      lmfao good one.
      hahhahahahaah

      November 29, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
  73. Leavethemoonalone

    The moon actually is what keeps the earth in its rotation so destroy the moon, destroy earth.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
    • Daremonai

      Ahm... no... actually the moon is slowly decreasing our rotation....

      November 29, 2012 at 9:42 am | Reply
    • Mike

      No...Stop reading those christian science books.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
    • TinKnight

      Uhm...a whole bunch of fallacy there.
      First off, the Earth existed BEFORE the moon formed in our orbit, and would continue to exist without the moon.

      Second, the moon doesn't significantly affect the Earth's rotation around the sun. It does marginally affect the earth's rotation on its axis, in that it SLOWS it down, due to tidal bulges.
      But, without the moon's presence, the Earth would continue to rotate on its axis just fine–the days would become slightly (undetectable to humans without instruments) shorter, and weather & tidal patterns would definitely be affected, but life could/would continue.

      Not that I'm condoning a plan to detonate a nuke on the moon just to prove that "We're stronger!"

      November 29, 2012 at 9:53 am | Reply
    • AM

      Umm, humanity has no ability to destroy the moon...

      November 29, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
    • Paul

      um, I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. It would disturb the rotation some, but not a lot. Plus, if you'd read the article, it clearly notes that the detonation would never be enough to "destroy" the moon. I doubt we as a species have that kind of capability. The moon may be much smaller than earth, but that's still a giant-a** chunk of rock up there.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
    • Charles

      wrong.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
    • HockeyPuch

      Is it a requirement to put "uhm" before a condescending statement, or are you thinking of a reply as you...uhm...type.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:12 am | Reply
      • conrad

        I think it is required of high-school aged boys who like to roll their eyes before demonstrating their considerable prowess and knowledge of the world. It's the early stages of over-bloated, injured, never satisfied, must get to the top at all costs male ego. It gets worse, though more sublte and manipulative with age.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  74. James

    'Mr. President, are you suggesting we nuke the moon?"
    "Would you miss it? Would you miss it?!"

    November 29, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
    • bag o chips

      LOL

      November 29, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
    • Austin

      That was my first thought too... and my favorite line in that particular film

      November 29, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Reply
  75. Brokenlol

    I wonder how many of our readers know that we rammed a rather large rocket into the moon a few years back, then ran a probe through the resulting column of dust so we could analyze it.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
    • Kaye

      Do you mean the LCROSS mission in 2009 to search for water on the moon?

      November 29, 2012 at 10:29 am | Reply
  76. Kevlar

    I wonder how nuking the moon became a political debate ??

    November 29, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
  77. Lance D.

    While society continues to swing back and forth, the only thing that seems to keep "moving forward" is technology.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:10 am | Reply
    • CosmicC

      Yes, we are some much more efficient at killing people today than we were in the '50's. That's something to be proud of (sarcasm for those who are unsure).

      November 29, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
      • dpnelson1978

        It is an internet message board. People expect sarcasm. If you post something honest and straight forward you should consider point that out since it will be much more of a surprise.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:36 am |
      • kelub

        Except for the part where our technological efficiency has resulted in a dramatic decline in the number of civilian casualties in war, as well as an increased sensitivity culturally to civilian casualties. As recently as WWII it was common practice to carpet bomb cities. Now (rightly) there's outrage if 11 civilians are killed during a military strike. I'm all for finding ways to end war, but so long as it exists, I'd much prefer efficiency over blanket mass murder.

        November 29, 2012 at 11:00 am |
      • voradtralundir

        And as a result of our precision destruction, people are no longer truly bothered by the nastiness of heavy civilian casualties. War is now surgical, taking out the offending article without the associated horror that might preclude someone from continuing to cause destruction.

        For those of you unaware, this was the topic of a Star Trek Episode where Kirk was told to bring his crew down for disintegration chambers, because a computer predicted the Enterprise was destroyed. The planet enacted this war style because they were upset at how badly war destroyed culture.

        They are horrible for a reason: so you don't keep waging it because people and society are destroyed.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • conrad

      If greater powers of destruction (in the name of exploration) are what you consider to mean 'moving forward', then ok.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:21 am | Reply
  78. Jeff

    Back in the 50's everyone still believed that the moon was made of cheese. The US government was simply trying to create a surplus of cheese for the welfare lines. But when they couldn't pull the job off, they switched the amount of cheese that one should eat from basically whatever you wanted, to a piece of cheese the size of a dice daily.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:10 am | Reply
    • Lance D.

      Democrat "green banana cheese" and Republican saltines.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
  79. caesarbc

    Nuke the moon???
    Well, that sounds like a great idea.

    Humans are the smartest organisms in the universe.

    November 29, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • CosmicC

      We are MOSTLY harmless.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
    • SB1790

      (President) "Well the election is coming up next year. We need a really big media event. Gentlemen, any ideas?"

      (Staff member) "Well sir, there's that moon project. We could blow up the moon. We've already got sponsors in place."

      November 29, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
  80. Calvin

    The surest sign of life on other planets is the fact that none of it has tried to contact us.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
    • arthur duchemin

      [The surest sign of life on other planets is the fact that none of it has tried to contact us...]
      beyond the fact that we don't "officially" know and second beyond the fact that we know that on Earth, pilots from jets and civil planes have witnessed very strange (non-human) things proving a superior intelligence to ours (at least in flight movement).
      Well, my guess is 1) they are busy working
      2) they don't need anybody else (especially if they are very clever)
      3) they don't want to worry anybody else since they know they are very smart
      4) coming back to 1) one may ask: well what's on their planet they are so busy working. My guess would be: Responding to the very reason why they are "alive".

      November 29, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
      • Arthur Dent

        It was a joke....ligthen up....

        November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am |
      • Tuna Cans and Tin Foil

        Every one knows that it's just us coming back from the future and then going back to the original time we came from, and of course we can't "disturb" anything without affecting the outcome. And everyone knows that time warp can only go backwards....for now!

        November 29, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • JJ

      Many people believe that intelligent life may exist but is so spread out throughout the universe (hundreds of thousands of light years separating them) that the chances of them contacting one another is slim. Also consider that the timespan that a civilization may remain intelligent enough to contact via electronic signals or otherwise might be very small compared to the life of the universe.

      It's a really big universe. The milky way itself is 100,000 light years in diameter.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
      • Snickers

        That's a big Milky Way!!!

        November 29, 2012 at 10:03 am |
  81. Lance D.

    American history has been marked by cyclic waves of traditional social discipline versus social conscious awareness - like a pendulum the perpetually swings from extreme left to right then back to left - back and forth. The pitfall of "black and white" western civilization thinking. The economy tends to swing in the same manner. Many in tie dies and love beads shed them for the brooks brothers suit - just to pull the tie dies and love beads out of moth balls. Can we find a healthy balance for the "common good" of all? Time will tell.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:55 am | Reply
    • johnymac60

      Hear hear! Well said, that man!

      November 29, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
  82. other possibility

    There is a lot of empty space in Saudi Arabia. When they run out of oil there's not much else there that is needed.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:52 am | Reply
  83. Buck

    Nothing but propaganda....

    The truth is that NASA and the Soviet CCCP were of the same brood of Nazi scientists who were divided among the USA and USSR after the way. Their master plan was to create the false illusion of 'human spaceflight' in order to introduce a new form of brainwashing; astro-evolution. Indeed it was through ICBM research that they discovered vaporization at hypersonic reentry into the upper atmosphere thus 'grounding' human 'spaceflight' (no, they did not reenter the upper atmosphere at 17,500 mph inside their tin-cans and 'brake' with parachutes, hence drop from cargo planes were/are handy....). The 'space race' was one of the grandest frauds that will soon be unmasked.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • derp

      How's life at the tin foil hat company?

      November 29, 2012 at 8:57 am | Reply
      • Mike

        Buck must be Director of Product Development with those grand ideas!

        November 29, 2012 at 9:09 am |
      • wang chung

        Tin foil Hat Ha ha that is so clever and funny...quick pull my finger.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Dan I

      Ummmm no one ever said they used the parachutes as brakes. They used the ATMOSPHERE as a brake. If you re-enter at the right angle you can survive (hence why not all meteors completely disintegrate). The parachutes were only used during final splash down for the last bit of deceleration to slow AFTER re-entry.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:21 am | Reply
    • CosmicC

      Setting the lunacy of the post aside, NASA's Soviet equivalent was ROSCOSMOS, now The Russian Space Agency. Your reference to Soviet CCCP shows your ignorance (hopefully, just because you're too young to remember). Those aren't English letters. CCCP is the acronym USSR, in Russian using Cyrillic letters. Thanks for play, would you like to try again?

      November 29, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
    • Matt

      You need help!!

      November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am | Reply
  84. Clyde M

    I'm sadly disappointed that this article missed the single biggest fact in all of this and that's that it is not too late. We can STILL nuke the moon if we'd just put our collective minds to it. Sure, American industry isn't what it used to be and sure, we haven't been back to the moon in nearly 40 years despite being the only nation to achieve such a monumental feat...but I bet with a little grassroots push, some scientific grants, and good old elbow grease, we can have a nuclear bombardment of the near side before the next Olympic games kick off.

    U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

    November 29, 2012 at 8:46 am | Reply
    • conrad

      Indeed, nuking the moon is exactly what this country needs to boost morale and get the economy roaring like a freight train again ... not to mention it would be a good message to send to the rest of the world. A clear reminder of who exactly is in charge ... 'cause sometimes it seems like they've forgotten.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am | Reply
      • M I Snow

        Are you so dense that you cannot even detect blatant sacasm? Based on the bloat of posts here, you should volunteer with VHMET.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
      • M I Snow

        * sarcasm

        November 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  85. corey

    Hey if we blow up the moon then we wont have to worry about high tides. Sandy wouldnt have been such a b****

    November 29, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
    • EdwardTr

      FYI: The moon is the reason earth does not wobble.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:15 am | Reply
    • Clyde M

      So the cure for the extreme weather generated by our poor environmental management skills is to annihilate the nearest heavenly body to reduce sea tide issues all together.

      I like it...

      November 29, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
    • Morlock

      But if we blow up the moon it will cause tremendous devastation on Earth and we will be forced to hide underground. 800,000 years later the human race will have evolved into two separate races – one, subterranean and carniverous, the other, surface dwelling and prey of the subterranean race......

      November 29, 2012 at 10:15 am | Reply
      • Eloi

        But I enjoy living in blissful ignorance. Plus, free food!

        November 29, 2012 at 11:24 am |
  86. pheadbaq

    Sooo, they'll cover this pretty useless bit of info (who didn't already know that the US and USSR were up to some crazy stuff at this time?), but other stuff like Project Northwoods... nowhere to be seen.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:39 am | Reply
    • Greg

      Probably because Project Northwoods isn't news. It's been known about for years.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:56 am | Reply
      • pheadbaq

        The US having plans to do nuke tests on the moon, and that we thought the Russians were doing the same, have been known for years as well, so I fail to see your point. Mine was that CNN is merely covering the more entertaining bits of information as opposed to the truly significant ones, and in a blog called "Security Clearance" no less.

        Also, people's thinking on "the US was going nuke the moon" is probably going to be drastically different than "the US was going to terrorize and lie to its own populace to give the appearance of a justified invasion of Cuba". If you think the two topics are somehow of equal import... well I dunno what to say to that.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • michaelfury

      Education on the value of free speech and the other freedoms reserved by the Bill of Rights, about what happens when you don't have them, and about how to exercise and protect them, should be an essential prerequisite for being an American citizen — or indeed a citizen of any nation, the more so to the degree that such rights remain unprotected. If we can't think for ourselves, if we're unwilling to question authority, then we're just putty in the hands of those in power. But if the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it comes a certain decency, humility and community spirit. In the demon-haunted world that we inhabit by virtue of being human, this may be all that stands between us and the enveloping darkness.

      – Carl Sagan

      http://pulverizedtonearpower.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/pulverized-to-near-power/

      November 29, 2012 at 9:04 am | Reply
      • CosmicC

        More succinctly: If lunacy like this is not exposed, they'll keep trying until they kill us all.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • johnymac60

      I don't see the problem with either of these entries. There are frequent historic events spotlighted here. Northwoods is juts as interesting as this Moonacy, but they probably just have not gotten to it yet. There's no grand conspiracy here. We can relax.

      November 29, 2012 at 10:39 am | Reply
      • pheadbaq

        Hmm, I don't recall mentioning conspiracy. You came up with that one. There's no conspiracy angle, so you can releax now. My point is that this info on nukes and the moon, to me, is really just entertaining.

        Hey, newsflash, the US and Russia were engaged in all sorts of crazy one-upmanship during the Cold War. Wowwwww, very compelling "super secret" info there. I'm terribly excited to have Security Clearance informing me of these sorts of revelations.

        November 29, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • JeramieH

      Yeah, why aren't they covering [insert soapbox topic] instead!

      November 29, 2012 at 11:19 am | Reply
      • pheadbaq

        Precisely, why do they only cover [insert mickey mouse topic here]? Bah, no matter, so long as we're all entertained.

        November 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  87. ShawnDH

    Nuking the moon to be a tough guy...how very Republican. Absurd.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
    • John Brocklyn

      Ummm, Kennedy was a Republican? So far as I know, he's gotten closer to nuking the entire human race than anybody else so far...

      November 29, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
      • CosmicC

        Not really. Had Russia sited nukes in Cuba they probably would have been used at some point in time. I think our worst nuclear threat today is North Korea. Given that, I'd point to MacArthur and Truman as the ones that came closest (and still may succeed). By goading China into the conflict they almost push the whole world into a war at a time when militaries had emense power and a desire to try to wage a nuclear war. This also prevented NATO from defeating North Korea, allowing the current unstable situation to continue to fester.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:33 am |
      • pheadbaq

        Really?? Do you know anything at all about that time period? So you think Kennedy staged the Bay of Pigs against a Castro Cuba that we now know had recommended to Khrushchev that Cuba use its nukes against the US in a first strike? Kennedy did all that, or did Kennedy get us out of that mess?

        November 29, 2012 at 9:38 am |
      • vince

        The article says the plan was developed in 1958. Eisenhower, a Republican, was president, not Kennedy.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:41 am |
      • The Truth

        CosmicC, what the what? The Soviets did put nuclear missiles in Cuba. Today there is no coverup about it and is freely admitted by all parties. Were do you get your knowledge of history from, the crazy bum in the alley?

        November 29, 2012 at 9:52 am |
      • Olaf Big

        Kennedy and the Soviet leadership share the responsibility for taking us to the brink. It was stupid and irresponsible of Khruschev to risk nuclear war to defend Castro's government, but it was also not terribly smart of Kennedy to provoke the Soviets by instigating the Bay of Pigs invasion and threatening to overthrow Castro by any means necessary. The big irony here is that the Soviets actually won that round. They pulled out the medium range missiles from Cuba, but in return U.S. laid off Castro and withdrew medium range nuclear missiles from Turkey. Lo and behold, fifty years later Castro is still there, even though U.S.S.R is no more.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • The Truth

      Oh, only those with small simple minds would think so. The ability to launch and detonate a nuke on the moon in the 1950's has a major strategic advantage for the U.S. Remember at this time the Soviet space program was way ahead of the U.S. and it looked like the Soviets would dominate space and land on the Moon decades sooner then we could. But now with the advantage of history those with little minds don't take the effort to understand what was going on and the mind set at that specific time.

      If the scenerio did play out with the U.S. lagging behind the Soviets could have used that advantage by positioning nukes in space and possibly the moon to threaten the U.S. With technology at that time only a nuke could threaten those space based weapons, we did not have the guidance systems for the necssary precision so you would need a nuke to compensate. What probably kept the Soviets from putting weapons in space was that we caught up pretty quickly and their established capability prevented us from doing the same.

      You don't think these studies were not continued under Kennedy and Johnson? If you don't I got a bridge to sell you.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:34 am | Reply
      • wang chung

        " The ability to launch and detonate a nuke on the moon in the 1950's has a major strategic advantage for the U.S."

        Is this what the Big Minds come up with ? Better our nukes fall from space then their nukes.?! I'll buy that bridge if it gets me far far away from your thinking. “that’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” Neil Armstrong. That's "Mankind".
        Time for the Truth to join the Human race.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • conrad

      I agree. One strange thing in our revulsion to the thought of detonating bombs on the moon is that we instead nuked Nevada and New Mexico ... to this day there are dead zones there fenced off from the public.

      November 29, 2012 at 11:31 am | Reply
      • Olaf Big

        Using the moon as a nuclear testground was not a realistic option in 1950s. By the time it became remotely possible, atmospheric and underwater testing was stopped anyway, and everybody agreed that putting nuclear weapons in space is not a good idea. See Nuclear Weapons in Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
  88. Lance D.

    Major media is beginning to model a perfect Washington. Imagine POTUS and Congress negotiating like all the commentators. Lessons to be learned: the X and Y factor. The first human pair was created as "equal compliments," much like all America might wish for our political system. This assumes non-corrupt sincerity among both branches, and both the Democrat and Republican parties. Protests against the contrary is a clear sign of healthy populace.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:28 am | Reply
    • LarryB

      Huh? I want some of that wacky tabacky you've been smoking!

      November 29, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
  89. Bill

    This is a perfect example of the stupidity that helped fuel the anti-establishment counter-culture of the 60's. Young people shook their heads at things like this, and wondered what the hell are adults thinking?

    November 29, 2012 at 8:23 am | Reply
    • Yodude

      Young people did not shake their heads at things like this because things like this were classified...moron. The "counter culture" shook their heads at anything that didn't involve smoking pot and dropping acid.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:29 am | Reply
    • CosmicC

      No, the counter-culture shook their heads BY smoking pot and dropping acid. They were shaking their heads at 25 years of almost continual warfare, an increasing repressive culture, and a growing awareness of extreme social inequity. (In case you're wondering, I'm talking about the '60's, not now. We're just repeating history).

      November 29, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
  90. Jorge

    There sure were a LOT of stupid things cooked up during the fifties (mostly caused by politician-induced international paranoia) that cost us billions of dollars and countless human suffering during the following decades. Truth be told, even by today's standards, the politicos and military bureauocrats of the day (of all nations) were neither the sharpest nor the cleanest tools in the shed. It was an age of exquisitely packaged, force-fed bullhockey.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:08 am | Reply
  91. Lance D.

    Nostalgia assumes you remember when the "high-tech" traditional home had a land line and B&W TV. "Were those mops on their heads?" The 'Good Old Days' may not have been all that good, but every American kid deserves an economy that suports presense of both father and mother. Meanwhile, President Obama 'Big Budget Plan' is to shout: "MY2K!"

    November 29, 2012 at 8:05 am | Reply
  92. lol

    So, we have a problem doing any damage to a dead and lifeless orb that we aren't even interested in exploring anymore, let alone build lunar bases on, but we will foul the planet we live on and the only known planet at this time that can support human life? If given the option, I would have no problem exporting all the hazardous waste and other garbage we create to the moon and turning it into one big toxic land fill. But no, let's dig a big hole in Nevada and put it there instead. Nuke it? Sure, why the hell not? I would get more pi$$ed off watching people throw trash out their car window. Sorry lunar lovers but the environment of the moon is of no concern to me. Unless we figure out how to stop killing our planet, I could care less about "damaging" the moon.

    November 29, 2012 at 8:00 am | Reply
    • RF Burns

      Why not just send nuclear waste & toxins to the Sun, the perfect incinerator?

      November 29, 2012 at 8:06 am | Reply
      • NIMBY

        The idea of launching our garbage to the moon or the sun is appealing until you discover the cost to launch something out of earth orbit. It takes a LOT of energy (and cash) to get out of earth orbit. According to this article: http://www.futron.com/upload/wysiwyg/Resources/Whitepapers/Space_Transportation_Costs_Trends_0902.pdf
        from 2000, it costs a minimum $US 7,000 PER POUND! to get into geosynchronous orbit. More than that to get it on its way to the moon or the sun. And that was 12 years ago. Figure inflation and it costs even more now. It's just not economically feasible.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:33 am |
      • JeramieH

        Not to mention the thought of tons of nuclear waste perched on top of a massive roman candle while it flies over your head.

        November 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Eli

      And then the shuttle blows up. Toxic waste is spread in the upper most part of our atmosphere. And is spread for thousands of mile....

      November 29, 2012 at 8:30 am | Reply
      • other possibility

        Forget launching it up. Why not just look at disposal inside volcanos or other lava sites in the crust.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • CosmicC

      The comment about radioactivity on the moon was about the impact it would have on scientific research. That said, the real issue is the militarization of space. If we had taken the past approach, militaries would have been the only ones in space and they would have done so just to gain supremacy. No ISS, no Hubble, no Mars exploration, no Voyager, etc.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • Straight shooter

      You might want to study a little about the importance the moon plays to our existance. Without it, we would wobble and the Earth would be a very violent place. Based on your thought process, let's just throw our garbage all over space. Just because you have no use for something, or property of any sort, doesn't mean you dump on it. But hey, let's destroy the moon and do the Earth a favor, since you really want to clean it up. Once we eliminate the moon, the Earth will get a true cleansing. By the way, that includes you. Look at the bright side, at least you'll get your wish by using your thought process! The Earth will be clean again, CRYSTAL clean!

      November 29, 2012 at 9:50 am | Reply
  93. nh guy

    makes perfect sense to me. why have radioactive islands in the pacific when you can "outsource" the debris to a place where humans won't exist for at least several more decades? i'm sure mitt would love the outsourcing idea!!

    November 29, 2012 at 7:59 am | Reply
  94. waiuku

    Typical American thinking.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:56 am | Reply
    • JustEric

      Typical foreigner thinking.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply
    • Whiz

      Really, considering most of the world outside of the US and Canada has turned their environment it a crap hole, how can you think this is typical American thinking.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:40 am | Reply
  95. Sciguy73

    The scientific illiteracy demonstrated in these comments is truly stunning.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:53 am | Reply
    • Aaron

      Obama voters.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:06 am | Reply
      • 2Smart4Tea

        In my experience it's the conservatives that are totally ignorant of science.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:14 am |
      • A

        I agree with 2Smart4Tea. I'm surrounded by scientists on a daily basis, and most of them are quite liberal in their politics. Part of it is an artifact of where I live, but in general we're all concerned and remain concerned about the GOP's stance against important scientific concepts, advancements, and funding.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  96. Lance D.

    Democrats view tradition and freedom as mutually exclusive - Republicans view the merge as "paradise on earth."

    November 29, 2012 at 7:50 am | Reply
    • kevin

      Well, except the freedom to love and marry whoever you want. Or the freedom of women to make as much money as men and to seek redress when discriminated against. The republicans don't want those freedoms. They consider them to be mutually exclusive to their traditions.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:57 am | Reply
      • Lance D.

        Lessons yet unlearned by both sides

        November 29, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • CosmicC

      I have no clue what you mean. I'm far left. Certainly left of the Democratic party. I value freedom and I value tradition. If I have to choose between the two, tradition loses, but I'd rather find a way of accomdating both.

      November 29, 2012 at 9:47 am | Reply
  97. Sane Person

    Typical of America... They want to blow up everything, even the moon.

    November 29, 2012 at 7:49 am | Reply
    • Paul

      I know it's popular to bad mouth America just because they have it better than you, but take a look at the Middle East, embassies throughout Africa, the IRA... war has been around thousands of years before America.

      November 29, 2012 at 7:53 am | Reply
      • kevin

        So who has the most military? Who has as much military as the next 30+ countries COMBINED? That's right, it's the United States. But they aren't a warring nation anymore, as long as you don't count Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Korea, and the dozens of propped-up dictators.

        November 29, 2012 at 8:00 am |
      • PaulK

        Kevin; America has such a large military because the military industrial complex is a major part of our capitalistic economy. That is why defense spending cuts are such a hot issue. It has nothing to do with the US being a "warring" inclined nation.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:07 am |
      • HistoryProf

        Um, who do you think many of those 30+ other countries would ask for help if their militaries were actually needed? Any chance some of them get by with small militaries because the US has their backs- and in exchange reaps influence if not very good relations? For some of the others, those that the US would not support- any chance they aren't reporting accurate figures? And the big one- do ANY of those other 30 have the same level of interests and influence as the US? Leadership is funny- if you don't exercise it in the worst of times you find that it goes away in even the best.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:35 am |
      • CosmicC

        I agree that the military supports our economy. Imagine how much more efficient it would be to spend even a small portion of that on better education and healthcare.
        Moreover, what you are saying is that our economic success through military spending is more important than the lives and freedom of the people in the countries we chose to attack for our own gain. I cannot think of a single time when the US military took on a conflict from a strictly moralistic position except for the intervention in attempted genocide by Serbia.

        November 29, 2012 at 9:53 am |
      • Kevin

        We don't have the 'largest military' and certainly not 'more than the next 30 countries combined' you rube. China has far more troops than we do.

        What we do have is the most well-funded and well-equipped military.

        November 29, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • dexter waweru

      Yep. Crazy cowboys.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:07 am | Reply
  98. Memo2

    Sure is B- S-- .

    November 29, 2012 at 7:39 am | Reply
  99. Memo2

    We are at war with the moon ?. Humans !!!

    November 29, 2012 at 7:38 am | Reply
    • BDGFN

      Really? You had to bring up President Obama in a story from 1958? Your prejudice is showing, idiot.

      November 29, 2012 at 8:25 am | Reply
  100. nukethemoon

    There's a student film that's being made about this story: http://www.nukethemoon.net/

    November 29, 2012 at 7:37 am | Reply
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