New pictures show second Chinese stealth fighter being test flown
A jet fighter with stealth characteristics was test flown this week in China. (Photo from cjdby.net)
November 2nd, 2012
08:28 PM ET

New pictures show second Chinese stealth fighter being test flown

WASHINGTON (CNN) - CNN has obtained detailed photographs of a new stealth fighter being tested in China.

It is the second such stealth fighter China has tested in as many years and appears destined to become the communist nation's future aircraft carrier-based fighter jet, according to weapons analysts.

The plane, dubbed by outsiders as the J-31, was test flown Tuesday in Shenyang. According to the analysts, the two photographs obtained by CNN appear to have been leaked by officials in China.

J-31 Chinese fighter jet. (Photo cjdby.net)

"It has to be an official photographer because nobody else can get that close to the airplane," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org. "These are all publicity photos from the factory, and I could not imagine that the factory would publicize these things without somebody higher up in the food chain authorizing it."

Richard Fisher, a senior fellow in Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), agrees these are not pictures sent out surreptitiously by some Chinese aviation aficionado. "The Internet censors are controlling this process, have no doubt that."

But Fisher said the reason for the release may not be as threatening as some might imagine.

"It's being done in a way to help promote pro-military nationalism in China. There's just a huge, large audience in China for this kind of information. It's kind of like NASCAR."

No matter who let the pictures go public, they won't answer all the questions surrounding China's fighter program. "They don't want to reveal anything that's truly useful to a foreign military or intelligence service," Fisher said.

In January 2011, China tested the J-20, a fighter jet with stealth characteristics, much like the American F-22.

J-20 Chinese fighter jet. (Photo from IHS/Janes)

Fisher said the J-31 appears be a lighter fighter jet similar to the American F-35.

"The J-20 is the heavy stealth fighter, (The J-31) is going to be the medium-weight stealth fighter. It's very much in the same vein as the F-22 versus the F-35, with the Raptor, the F-22 being the heavy fifth-generation fighter for the U.S. Air Force versus the medium-weight F-35."

Pike said that could be the case, but it may be that China is test flying both prototypes and will choose just one to put into production.

While these are both fifth-generation fighter jets, that doesn't put them on par with America's two newest fighters.

For example, Pike said China's jet engines just don't come close to American engines. "This is a sucking chest wound of Chinese military aviation."

Pike said the primary Chinese military jet engine is based on an American design. "We started development of this engine back in the '60s. Then they commercialized it in the 1970s. Then the Chinese got a hold of it 20 years ago and it's still no good. It's a half century-old design that they've been working on for two decades, and it's still no good."

Fisher has a higher opinion of that engine. "It's not entirely true that China is currently facing massive problems. They've actually had some measure of success."

And Fisher said China appears to be developing a brand new engine for the J-31. "The engines that will likely power the J-31 we do know a bit more about. Those engines were actually revealed at the Zhuhai show in 2008," Fisher said referring to an annual China air show. He believes the new J-31 engine is undergoing preliminary testing.

Another problem is the stealth characteristics of the plane.

The J-31 is designed to have a stealthy shape. "From the side profile, it really looks like a 75% (scale) F-22 from the bottom, and the top profile it very much looks like an F-35."

The J-31 may have the stealth coatings that help it absorb radar signals instead of letting them bounce off and give away its position.

But Pike explained the plane has wide seams where different parts of the plane come together. "The seams form something the radar can bounce off of. I'm looking at some close-ups of the J-31 and it's seamy. It's got all kinds of seams and ripples on the skin."

Fisher agreed. "Yes, that's definitely a fair assessment, but what we can say is that it will have a definite low-observable capability, that's for sure."

While it may start out as a land-based fighter, Pike and Fisher both said it could become China's carrier-based fighter jet when the nation builds a second, catapult-based carrier. Their first carrier, currently undergoing sea tests, uses a ski-jump style flight deck to launch planes.

So should America start worrying about these new fighters ?

"Who else do you think these airplanes were designed to fight?" Pike said. "If the Chinese think that their military is a lot stronger than anybody else in the neighborhood, then they're going to throw their weight around."

Pike estimated the J-31 might become a threat in 2027. "You would expect to see the Chinese stealth fighter enter operational service, I don't know, 15 years from now."

Fisher is predicting much sooner.

"My estimate is that the J-31 will start entering squadron service in four to five years."

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  1. Albert

    Kind of looks like an F35. Do you think it could do what an F35 could do?

    November 3, 2012 at 12:46 am | Reply
    • Jason

      Depends on if you're talking about the A, B, or C models. Based on the design, it'll probably perform like the A or C models though with inferior electronic warfare capabilities and a larger RCS, and it probably won't have vtol capabilities like the F-35B.

      November 3, 2012 at 1:02 am | Reply
  2. anti-communist

    evil chinese communist government will crash and burn....

    November 3, 2012 at 12:45 am | Reply
  3. michael

    Can the US sue over the design?

    November 3, 2012 at 12:43 am | Reply
  4. Somebody

    As an aeronautical engineer who works for the company that made the F-22 and is currently producing the F-35, I feel I need to explain something here.

    To those spouting off about this being a "knock off" or copy of the F-22/35, you need to understand a thing or two about aircraft.

    First, for a specified set of performance criteria there is going to be an optimum design space, and based on current technology the most efficient designs are very likely to have similar characteristics. That's just a natural result of the laws of physics, which in turn dictate aerodynamics, thermodynamics, structural mechanics, and so on down the line. This is especially true when you add the requirement for stealth, using current technology there are even fewer options in terms of geometry.

    Second, a critical part of preliminary design is to consider historical designs with similar requirements and compare your derived results against them. The F-22 and F-33 are probably aircraft with similar requirements, don't you think so? Any good aeronautical engineering team would do that, no matter what nation-state they may be born into or what race they are.

    What are you people expecting to see that would not make it a "knock off," I wonder? Anti-gravity generators? Fusion engines? Something more like what you would see in a science fiction film? Get real. The J-20 design actually does use canards, which the F-22 does not. Not that you all spewing about copying would even know what that means.

    You would be amazed what stepping back and considering your position might do for you, rather than regressing to arrogant jingoism, most likely rooted in racism and ignorant fear.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:39 am | Reply
    • Dan Crocker

      Yeah, I am sure the Chinese would NEVER copy anything we make here in the US like computers, electronics, CD's, DVD's, games, etc etc etc etc. You need to do some reading in your spare time and put that slide rule away.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:51 am | Reply
      • Josh

        He's not saying they aren't stealing. He's saying it wouldn't be necessary. The arrogance to think others cannot eventually pull off what we do is dangerous.

        November 3, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Josh

      Thank you. As a non aeronautical engineer but still blessed with a brain it's pretty obvious what some of the fundamental characteristics of low observable aircraft are. I'm sure the Chinese are stealing technology as fast as they can but I see nothing (from the outside) in these designs that could not be figured out. I'm actually a bit surprised at certain "lumps" near flight controls though. In those spots It seems like they engineered down some dead end path and got stuck. The rounded exhaust also seems like a big compromise on R&D cost vs effectiveness. If it shaved years off of development time then maybe it's worth the tradeoff. Dunno.

      We've got some amazing (and expensive) stuff but if our aerospace industry thought it was the only one in the world that could pull this off we would be in real trouble. I'm glad our professionals have more respect for our potential adversaries than the rock banging ethnic slurring monkeys I see in these posts.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:56 am | Reply
      • Matts

        I am troubled by how much some commentators are blinded by their racism and bigotry, you can easily deduce that they are just low level simpletons, and should be forgiven.

        November 3, 2012 at 1:37 am |
      • Somebody

        I think you're exactly right, I'm no expert on low observable techniques, but there are parts of this design that don't look too stealthy. I don't know if there is an advantage to "partial stealth," but indeed the engineers working this probably did do a trade study and cost-benefit analysis. If spending years on radar cross section testings was going to seriously delay the program, then it just doesn't make sense to compromise. It might even be conceivable that the plane isn't really stealth at all, just looks like it because they got so far down the development cycle that they decided to keep what they had engineered rather than do a total redesign as non-stealth.

        November 3, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • internetsojourner

      Interesting and educational comment from an insider.

      I was thinking along the same line, but do not have the technical background to present in layman terms as you so ably did.

      Thank you for the information.

      November 3, 2012 at 1:04 am | Reply
  5. Carlos

    This is great!
    Finally the chinese are going to make home delivery faster; better than using a moped. Too bad we still have to wait four years. Be nice if they can also put those nice uniforms in use :)

    November 3, 2012 at 12:39 am | Reply
  6. IalreadyvotedforObama

    Romney sold them the plans after shipping jobs to them.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:35 am | Reply
    • Dan Crocker

      Nah, a Chinese college exchange student went to the nearest Toys R Us and bought a Revell model which has all the necessary specs. Thought you knew....

      November 3, 2012 at 12:58 am | Reply
  7. St. Xavier

    It may be made in China but take a close look don't it look like one of our own? This should tell you a thing or two the Chines will steal any thing they can get there hands on. I'll still put my money on our boys an there training on how much better flyer they are compared to the slant eyes. `It may look good on the out side but what counts is it any good where you can see the insides it may be only spit a bailing wire on the in side.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:32 am | Reply
    • Josh

      Ethnic slurs merely convey insecurity and stupidity and therefore weakness. Everything on the outside of this could be engineered using the most rudimentary knowledge of stealth. While I am certain the Chinese have a strong espionage program I see nothing here that need be stolen to be achieve. I am also not really impressed with what they have come up with. It has obvious flaws for a low observable aircraft. The mediocre F-35 looks better.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:39 am | Reply
      • Zeus

        Aren't the Chinese violating some of the major patents owned by US Govt and other defence contractors ?

        November 3, 2012 at 1:22 am |
      • bacos

        Josh, it's time to face reality. You are a Chinese liar. Not an American named Josh. Now get to work making those shoes please.

        November 3, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  8. sos

    soon we will have to buy these from china

    November 3, 2012 at 12:29 am | Reply
    • Zeus

      Sure why not ? Walmart is already working on a manufacturing and delivery model.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:31 am | Reply
  9. formosa

    Google the status of Chinese aircraft carrier. You will get a really good laugh at it. According to the Russian experts, Chinese aircraft carrier will never be operational.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:11 am | Reply
    • mystrip

      So, just relax!

      November 3, 2012 at 12:15 am | Reply
    • mystrip

      and take it easy.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:16 am | Reply
  10. TSW10

    This might compete with an F-16 :) Sorry China.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:10 am | Reply
    • TSW10

      It looks more like a bomber...

      November 3, 2012 at 12:11 am | Reply
    • formosa

      That's too generous in my opinion. Chinese radar, avionics, and missiles are quite inferior compared to the American counterpart. The biggest factor of all is the quality of pilots. Chinese pilots are like truck drivers compared to Americans or even their adversaries across the strait. F-22 piloted by truck driver will still get defeated by F-16 with well trained pilot.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:16 am | Reply
      • ngc1300

        And you know this how?

        November 3, 2012 at 12:28 am |
      • Zeus

        "Chinese pilots are like truck drivers...", common dude give them a break !

        November 3, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • me55

      It looks like a bad F18 copy with some lead based paint job fresh out of a can. Larry Shaughnessy should know better than to pass this as information.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:27 am | Reply
  11. JoeyW

    Does it come as a shock to anyone that China does not protect intellectual property when the government itself sponsors cyber espionage and steal from defense contractors?

    November 3, 2012 at 12:09 am | Reply
  12. Sebastian Finn

    Ah, yes. Walmart just announced they'll have both models for sale on Dec. 1 with a terrific maintenance contract at $180. Still, it is important to note that because of noise, these two planes cannot be flown supersonic over your neighborhood. Great bargains just in time for Xmas!

    November 3, 2012 at 12:06 am | Reply
    • Zeus

      Did you read the fine print ? You are on your own, to ship your jets to China for service.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:34 am | Reply
  13. Sebastian2

    The fact that we're seeing pictures of it on CNN? I'd say its 'stealth' aspect is in doubt (ha ha)....

    November 3, 2012 at 12:06 am | Reply
  14. adamdocherty

    Oh and for those worried about the Yellow Peril getting the foot up on military tech, remember the F22 came into service in 2005 – the China 5th gen is still 5 years from service that puts it somewhere like 2017 before it will be operational and by then it will be obsolete.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:06 am | Reply
  15. Skeptic

    They don't even know how to make an engine that was 50 years old in technology.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:05 am | Reply
    • Zeus

      These jets are being mass produced in Area J-31.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:36 am | Reply
    • Somebody

      Says who? the guy quoted in the story? Where does he get his inside information? THINK. I am not saying the engines are not inferior, if I had to guess I'd say they probably are, but I'm not going to go talking to "journalists" and let them quote me on it.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:43 am | Reply
  16. adamdocherty

    I always feel good seeing how much other countries fighter planes look like USA fighters... means they are copying and if they are copying they are always one step behind, or in China's case I would say 10 steps lol

    November 3, 2012 at 12:02 am | Reply
    • Zeus

      Ha ha...:)

      November 3, 2012 at 12:48 am | Reply
  17. wrm

    The last original idea to come out of China was gunpowder.

    November 3, 2012 at 12:00 am | Reply
    • ngc1300

      Underestimate your enemy at your peril.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:30 am | Reply
    • Zeus

      OMG, so they were mass killing people even during those good old days too !

      November 3, 2012 at 12:39 am | Reply
  18. Joey Wainwright

    http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/14038-RSAs-SecurID-Hack-Leads-to-Lockheed-Network-Disruption.html

    Can you say "espionage" ... I knew you could.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:59 pm | Reply
  19. redbaron120288

    well I guess sooner or later this would happen. china cloning other nations stuff. if you look at china's military inventory Everything they have is cloned from other countries. or using parts from A and B to build something.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Reply
    • Zeus

      Itn't it easier to jam their technology then ?

      November 3, 2012 at 12:50 am | Reply
  20. Jason

    @Sparky;

    Did you know that the F-15 has never ever been bested in Air-to-Air combat. It and the F-18a Super Hornet are the only jets to come close to besting the F-22 in mock combat exercises and I believe they are the only ones with verified "kills" on the Raptor (these exercises have featured other 4th and 5th gen aircraft from other countries). The reason for the kills? Not the tech, or the aircraft themselves, but the pilots. That is what China is missing (as is most other countries other than Isreal), they do not have the training or the experience to come close to touching any US pilot.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Reply
    • CJ

      I would say that these are fake to some descriptions. I've seen pictures of Chinese aircraft before that weren't supposed to be released and they used their own numerical characters, not English ones. So either these are fake, or someone intended them to be leaked.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:04 am | Reply
    • brian

      actually the f15 and f18 in mock combat never have gotten a 'kill" on it the f22 take on the f15 2 to 16 and win every time. what you are thinking of is the war games with britian and germany that took place in alaska, when they set the parameters to only dog fighting the f22 didnt have a major advantage over the euro fighter. it was pilot skill that determined who won

      November 3, 2012 at 12:07 am | Reply
    • AJ USAF Utah

      Jason, as a 30 year AF Vet! Thank you! That is why people need to get off of the "Iran and Syria" bandwagon. We can take them out in air anytime we want; by air, sea etc. We got better things to worry about.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:08 am | Reply
  21. Thomas

    Made in China – that about says it all.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Reply
  22. Hadenuffyet

    What have they got that they didn't steal from us? Nada ,zilch , zip....

    November 2, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      They probably got it from Israel – Israel has been stealing US military technology since the late 1940s. Israel sold F-16s, and probably many more US military technologies to China.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:50 pm | Reply
      • TruthHurts

        Sigh...here we go again...another hater of Israel. Israel is our number one ally in the middle east. We give them planes to fight their enemies because they are OUR enemies too. If Israel didn't exist, all the mullahs would be attacking us instead.

        November 3, 2012 at 12:00 am |
      • redbaron120288

        thats not true. we sold those jets to isreal. and what we sold to them was a watered down version some 30 plus years ago. we sell many planes to many nations. and the F-16 is not a special plane either.

        November 3, 2012 at 12:07 am |
      • MacMan

        Israel doesn't have to steal US technology, they are quite capable on their own. Nearly every US jet fighter and most NATO planes are flying with Israeli technology that is superior to anything in the world. The reason I know this is that I worked for 20 years for the company that put it on our jets. You're just another Israel bashing propagandist and probably an anti-Semite. Go back to your fake news sites

        November 3, 2012 at 12:08 am |
      • Julie

        The scale of our contribution to Israel’s military is staggering. According to a Congressional Research Service report to Congress in 2009, Israel had already received $58.6 billion in military aid since World War II. Incredibly, in a Memorandum of Understanding signed in 2007, the U.S. government has promised Israel an additional $30 billion in Foreign Military Financing from 2009 to 2018. A quarter of this money is being used to subsidize their defense industries. Their defense industries sell weapons to countries in direct conflict to U.S. interests.

        November 3, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  23. Al

    People ask why we put so much money into the Military, that picture of a Chinese fighter should tell the story. Remember that thanks to the debt that the United States is now owing the Chinese government they can afford that technology, those stimulus dollars are doing really good for the country that lent the United States money. It's good to see that someone got the money, to bad it was not put to good use in the United States like Mr. Obama said it would.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Reply
    • Hadenuffyet

      The Chinese finance fully 20% of government funds from import taxes. Consider that on your next trip to Walmart.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:43 pm | Reply
    • vroice

      It was used for a good cause actually. A lot of the deficit went to bailing out the banking and auto industries, saving them from collapse which would have caused definite deviation were they to go under like Mitt Romney suggested. Obama also put more money into the economy to keep money flowing which leads to greater and quicker economic growth, simple economics really. The largest amount of unnecessary spending came at the behest of Bush who entered a multi-trillion dollar war that we entered under false pretenses.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Reply
  24. RQ

    Oh no, the Chinese have a stealth jet, we better triple our military spending!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Reply
    • Zeus

      Don't worry, they still have to come up with their healthy-stealthy jet.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:54 am | Reply
  25. Jimi

    This piece must be written by Reagan era reporter. It is so stale.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Reply
  26. BeyondBlack

    Does appear to be true stealth tech... Also, there's no foreign craft in existence that can match our UFOs. ;)

    November 2, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Reply
    • BeyondBlack

      Damm.. Soppose to be 'Doesn't appear to be...'

      November 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • Me

      They can't match 'em because we can't identify them. But I think you might be forgetting the molemen's death ray.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Reply
  27. logicnothuff

    It's close to an F-35 because the Chinese hackers downloaded the whole schlemeil from US Computers. Their nuclear warheads are our state of the art designs, stolen from Los Alamos under the Clinton administration (Reno was silent and sat on cries for help from Los Alamos), and their latest fighter is our state of the art design, stolen from DOD under the Obama administration (a reign of manchurian treason, for shure).

    November 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Joe Smith

      And your proof of these claims is ... ?

      November 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm | Reply
  28. gen81465

    Based on both photos showing the aircraft flying with the landing gear in the down position, I'd have to say the photos are excellent quality shots of a toy RC aircraft.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      compare it to a J-11 Flanker

      http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/j-31-9.jpg

      November 2, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Reply
      • reddy

        When can i get this in a Walmart ? Is it durable and last long? :)

        November 2, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Me

      Or it's another fine example of Chinese "inginuity". This is a knock off, after all.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:30 pm | Reply
  29. Pat Wells

    Someone call Clint Eastwood... we're ready to start filming Firefox 2.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      J-20 looks more like Firefox.

      http://img13.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20121102/10/6621061420121102101137075.jpg

      http://i.imgur.com/551Jv.jpg

      November 2, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Reply
    • gen81465

      Forget Clint Eastwood ... call Jackie Chan!

      November 2, 2012 at 11:29 pm | Reply
      • AJ USAF Utah

        LOL!!

        November 3, 2012 at 12:14 am |
  30. Seamus

    "communist nation"

    ha, good one

    November 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Reply
  31. jim

    I dont get it. If they can fly one of these suckers, why are the Chinese totally incapable of driving a car?
    Do you know how to blind a Chinese person? Put a windshield in front of him.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      Oh, you.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Reply
    • mystrip

      Yes, just enjoy your life while you can.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:24 am | Reply
      • Zeus

        Is that a national threat ?

        November 3, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • Dr Zen

      There is no such thing as an Oriental driver. When an Oriental gets behind the wheel, they immediately become disoriented!

      November 3, 2012 at 1:32 am | Reply
  32. Me

    It's George Bush's fault! ... somehow it must be!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Reply
    • Me

      Disregard that. I suck cox.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm | Reply
  33. memoe

    The chi coms have been known to wing tip commercial aircraft. In modern times!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Reply
  34. HurtfulTruth

    I don't know how stealthy an aircraft with two CLEARLY visible exhausts is going to be!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm | Reply
    • Josh

      Yeah those are bad. It's like having two disco balls on the back of it.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:08 am | Reply
  35. Javier

    I dont care what China flies...Chinese pilots are NO match against combat experienced US pilots...

    November 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      Because they're Asian?

      November 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Reply
  36. Superman

    It's Made in China..stay away!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      The world's first aircraft made entirely out of lead. It costs about .004 cents to manufacture a batch of 70. A spokesman for the Chinese government remarked that he expects these jets to be operational for at least half of the time it takes to deliver it to the millitary bases, A great improvement over the previous lifespan of "Never fully assembled."

      November 2, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Reply
  37. Zer0

    If this really becomes a problem we could always just have Isreal NUKE them.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Reply
    • EatYouAlive

      Had to be one israel comment.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm | Reply
      • Zer0

        What? They're our pals and they're the only country that HASN'T AGREED to stope nukin' folks. I'm sure that if the time comes they'll have our backs.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
      • reddy

        And India too :)

        November 2, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  38. memoe

    We do remember the Bismark that kicked the Hoods stufff! And half the British fleet?

    November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Yes but Germany is a small country. China is America sized.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:10 pm | Reply
      • memoe

        IIsn't China bigger than America?

        November 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
      • EatYouAlive

        China has mass but no quality. It will not be made up in the next few generation.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
      • Zer0

        Size doesn't matter. It's all about endurance. You gotta keep it up until the end of the conflict. And that's where babies come from.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
      • Size and Endurance

        Size DOES matter, just like choosing your partner. China has survived for more than 5000 years with triumph and defeat and is still thriving. For US, so far a little over 200 years?

        November 3, 2012 at 1:40 am |
  39. jdizzle1337

    This looks like a cheap Chinese knockoff of the F-22..... wait LOL

    November 2, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Reply
  40. DaveNYUSA

    Hmm, nice original design!
    I wonder which US president sold THOSE secrets to China!

    November 2, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Definitely Bush.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Reply
    • TeamChaos

      Clinton sold a lot of things to the Chinese including nuclear power plant plans, Ill say it was obama.

      People need to realize that the same people running china use to publicly torture people 40 years ago. go to you tube and look at the photos.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Reply
  41. Lud Somoza

    This is ridiculous!! Could this fighter not look more like our F-22. Does our military care about the chinese stealing our technology!!. There goes all our billions of tax dollars. Just so the chinese can copy our Sh&% like they do with everything else.

    November 2, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      It is for shooting down F-22 jets in the event of an American uprising and some US fighter pilots defect.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Reply
      • EatYouAlive

        And for strafing Tienanmen square protesters with great effectiveness.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • jim

      Well, actually, its because all fighter designs eventually are narrowed down to the best one, and thats what they make. This design looks like ours because its the best design on which to base a fighter. Doesnt mean they stole it.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Reply
    • Josh

      The basics of this do not require espionage, just some rudimentary reverse engineering from amateur photographs. You'll notice the hard stuff like the engines mentioned in this article are still lacking. Those round exhaust nozzles have more radar signature than the whole rest of the plane.

      The US does not have a monopoly on brains. Others can figure this crap out.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:12 am | Reply
  42. memoe

    I Fear that little Apache. I hate being targeted by her!!! Good grief!!

    November 2, 2012 at 10:58 pm | Reply
  43. 1centFree

    I don't see why so many people are getting their panties in a bunch. When you look under their jets it says "made in China." We all know what that means. Cheap!!

    November 2, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Reply
  44. memoe

    II don't think that F-22 can be beat. The F-35 is bad to the bone. The F-16 ,18 or any of the US teens will give anyone a run for their money. I kinda love the A-10..

    November 2, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • Olaf Big

      And why do you think that? Ever seen a modern U.S. fighter face an equal opponent, such as MiG-29 or Su-35? It's good to be patriotic, but it is even better to have some facts and numbers to support that worthy sentiment.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:13 pm | Reply
      • Josh

        Su-35 is downright scary.

        I think what will ultimately beat the F-22 is cost. It is likely the greatest 5th generation fighter that will ever be made but it's costs are so crippling that someone else will get a 6th generation out before us. Might even have 7th before the f'n-35 makes it to service. (I exaggerate...some)

        November 3, 2012 at 1:06 am |
  45. J20-Chinaman

    Well they put something out there that can fly. It can turn, and dance I suppose. But can it match an American fifth gen fighter in combat. I don't think so. Too bad, I know the Chinese take pride in their aircraft, but this thing is just an ugly knock-off. The need a true air-superiority fighter, nothing less. And with all that foreign reserve cash sitting in their vaults, they should be pressuring the Europeans to relax their European arms embargo, and do a joint design, one for Europe, one for China. Nah, methinks the racial bigotry is to high a wall to climb, but one can imagine.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:48 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      China shall be saving America's butt in WW3.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Reply
      • Mattyj

        Holy crap that is the funniest thing I have ever read!

        November 2, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
      • Andres C

        This Yang Xi needs some meds. China is the enemy in WW3 dork

        November 2, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
      • Zer0

        You must be a stranger to war. They know the rules and so do we. You think China won't give us? Then, sadly, they're gonna let you down! They're gonna run around with our enimies in the middle east and hurt our valuble position in the world! If that doesn't make you cry and you still don't wand to say goodbye to them, consider the following: China lies! Even if they say otherwise they'll just desert you when it suits them best!

        November 2, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Andres C

      The only thing that makes me think about it. Brute force. Its not the same if a squadron of 40 F35 meets a squadron of 200 J32. That is what fraction of 2 billion chinese can do in a heartbeat for 2 bucks an hour.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Reply
  46. Yang Xi Gua

    J-31 is officially known as the Goshawk.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Oop, it's Gyrfalcon, not Goshawk.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Reply
    • Jim

      Amazing! Didn't realize our stealth program was a joint venture with the Chinese. So, let's all vote for Obama/Biden, cut our military spend, stop economic growth, increase inflation, stop small business opportunities and continue to F-A-I-L! Oh, let's ignaore diplomatic wires suggesting security threats from our embassies as well.

      Give me a break. Wake up and smell the coffee America. It's not about, 'I've always voted Democrat;' or, 'I'm in a union, therefore four more years.' It's about getting OUR country back on track.

      Romney/Ryan 2012

      November 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm | Reply
      • Steve

        I'm actually in favor of all of those things you mentioned!

        Romney/Ryan 2012/2016!

        November 2, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
      • Joe Smith

        Make it even easier ... just listen to Fox News and believe everything they say. Ignore the facts, they'll just clash with the opinions in your head.

        November 3, 2012 at 12:00 am |
      • AJ USAF Utah

        Jim, if you were black, I would say **** please! I did 3 tours in Iraq over bad foreign policy and intelligence. Go finish reading "Mein Kauf" and burn a cross!

        IYAAYAS!

        November 3, 2012 at 12:19 am |
  47. Armand

    What do you mean a Latino pilot can compete against a Han Chinese pilot when you guys can't even drive a f car in china town.lol

    November 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply
  48. Jamye62

    Oh America keep investing in your enemies and give them the money and technology they need to destroy you one day.
    The greed of America has blinded them.
    Feed your enemy while your people starve.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply
  49. Gerald

    And China has how many of these on Carriers?? None! And just because they can copy the outside shell, does not mean they can match what's under the hood. Until I see one of these F-35 fake replicas going VTOL, It means nothing...my R/C club has better jets than the Chinese. And if the quality is anything like what comes out of China then they might as well fight for us...
    Ultimately, China's real issue is feeding it's people, which by Rice=arable land=water required...which is very known formula...they won't be able to feed themselves in a few years due to water shortages to grow rice...yes, while their shores sink in rising waters...so there. China's real problem is in China, not overseas...

    November 2, 2012 at 10:43 pm | Reply
  50. Moth

    If that is the Chinese excuse for a "stealth" fighter then we have nothing to worry about it. There is nothing stealthy about that design. At least not comparable to current U.S. stealth technology. Just because you paint it with black radar absorbing paint doesn't make it a stealth fighter.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Reply
  51. Mitch

    It's going to be cheap for sure, F-35 is such a rip-off deal.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:38 pm | Reply
  52. kalo

    Lol looks just like the F-22 with fancy front wings to make it look chinese. Welp we know they hacked us again or you know....Went into the toy shops and learned stealth tech after 20 years.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Reply
  53. Jason B

    Frankly, we'd best be wary of their capabilities. Several decades ago we figured the Soviets couldn't build anything better than a cruddy tractor. Next thing we know they're launching rockets better than our own. Now I'm not saying the Chinese aircraft are on par or better than ours. But I highly doubt they're using upgraded engines from a 50 year old design. I'd guess they've gotten hold of some newer Russian engines and have based anything new off those.

    I'm more surprised it's taken them this long to start in with an aircraft carrier. Other smaller nations have had them for some time. Granted yes, maybe it's an old one France sold to so-and-so country (just for example), but still...

    November 2, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      The Pacific is dotted with islands for hosting airfields. Aircraft carriers are not overly important because they cannot host stealthy planes because sea water damages radar absorbing paint.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:37 pm | Reply
      • YOYO

        Well, that's why Sailors do fresh water wash down on a regular basis. It keeps the salt off the paint. They do that for the ships too to help reduce rusting. So, the Chins definitely can use this plane to launch from a carrier.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
      • EatYouAlive

        Hey dum-dum, carriers are about power projection. How do you think toy take over those islands. Land locked thinking from the chinese 50 center.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Kris

      Come on guys...think about it. America has spent the last 100 years kickin but flyin planes on the offensive in every corner of the globe while China has been on the defensive for 1000 years. All of the sudden China gets 1 carrier and a plane and we need to be scared? They may have a carrier...even if they had 10, we know how to use them.

      November 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm | Reply
    • reddy

      Didn't the Chinese steal/buy a bunch of Sukhoi T-50 engines indirectly from the eastern european countries ? It looks like they might be putting them to good use.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:09 am | Reply
  54. Yang Xi Gua

    nice angle here

    http://i.imgur.com/FWpmr.jpg

    November 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  55. Zer0

    So am I the only one who thinks that we should invest in ninjas? It only seems sensable.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • David in Tampa

      Doesn't look too stealthy either

      November 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  56. Doc

    It's a freaking kite, we've been deceived!

    November 2, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Reply
    • David in Tampa

      Looks like an F-15 from the bottom and the back

      November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      A lead kite? I'm not buying it.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  57. Yang Xi Gua

    J-11 prototype escorted by a yellow J-11 Flanker

    http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/j-31-9.jpg

    November 2, 2012 at 10:25 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      oops I meant J-31 prototype

      November 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Reply
    • max

      Stop your $0.50 posting. The J-31 just another evil thing will be dropping bombs on its people when they raise up for freedom. Just one more cruelty when it comes to suppress its people, 1989/6/04, with AK-47s and tanks, now CP has stealth fighters. Pride or shame?

      November 2, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Reply
  58. Yang Xi Gua

    J-31 escorted by a yellow J-11 Flanker

    November 2, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Reply
  59. sparky

    F-22 and F-35 are non-functional money pits. F-22 has zero operational hours in any theater that matters. F-35 can't even crap its pants properly, it comes out its ears.

    Chinese were fools to try to copy them. Like the Russians, let them go bankrupt in the process.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      The F22 hasn't been used in combat yet because the guys we've fought so far can't even beat our 30 year old 4th gen fighters. Now that every nation has learned that the US can bomb the cr@p out of them at a moment's notice, they're scrambling to get some toys that can defeat the weapons that are currently in our inventory so should we go into another war, the new generation of weapons would come in handy.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm | Reply
      • sparky

        Late-model Flankers like Su-30, Su-35, Su-37 can beat F-15. Everybody has Flankers now. Air force made a big point of saying the F-22 is what they need to stay ahead of especially these planes.

        If they had working F-22s, they would show them off. Even "high-maintenance" F-117 was flying real sorties within 10 years of Lockheed getting the contract. First in Panama, when it wasn't even necessary, then in Desert Storm, where it did the job.

        If there was a working F-22, it would be in a real theater by now. You haven't seen it because it can't make it.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • Yang Xi Gua

      F-35 is still years from being operational

      November 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Reply
    • reddy

      The next big weapon to be copied and mass produced by China would be 'Iron Man'.

      November 3, 2012 at 12:13 am | Reply
  60. Zer0

    Sadly, the J-31 cannot fly as it is made entirely out of lead.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
  61. DMB

    The chinese are just drooling to do the maintenance on American based airline aircraft and offering cheap prices. Who would ever guess that they want the specifications to duplicate our technology over and over again. They did it at the end of WWII by actually rebuilding B-20's right down to the metal patches on the sides! So we ship them the best we have and expect them to be honorable. Boy, have our leaders got a lot to learn but then again, what do you expect out of a Community Organizer with no international experience.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Thomas

      Um, wasn't that the Soviets, not the Chinese? And WTH is the "B-20"? Just clueless ...

      November 3, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
  62. Jamison

    I wonder if they ship them in clamshell packaging like the rest of their trash.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Reply
    • zometimer

      You mean like 90% of the stuff you own?

      November 2, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Reply
      • Zer0

        BURN!

        November 2, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
  63. Zer0

    So is this meant to be public or do we have spies trolling the Chinese?

    November 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      public

      http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/741613.shtml

      November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
  64. Jason

    WTH? They're building subs of all classes, drones, new missiles, new tanks and vehicles, gunships, surface ships of all classes, and working on two fifth gen aircraft? How in the world are they funding all of these projects and build ups with just a budget of 170 billion?

    November 2, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      You have to understand that everything that they make is MADE IN CHINA.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      US taxpayer money sent from the elite

      November 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Reply
      • Zer0

        "The Elite"? Wach yoo talkin' 'bout Yang?!

        November 2, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
      • EatYouAlive

        The chinese 1% can put you to death at will.

        November 2, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • pallidin

      Well, it's a "black"project. True funding is classified.

      As far as where the money comes from, look at how they manufacture stolen patents and have 8-year olds chanied to a post and being raped every night.
      Then, on top of that, their labor standards are so sick. Maybe 30 cents an hour. OK, maybe a dollar.

      And the rest of the world is sucking-up their low-priced goods.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Reply
      • Zer0

        We all know that the rape of 8yr olds in the dead of night contributes to the production of millitary aircraft.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
  65. memoe

    I'm assuming this chinese airframe is vectored?

    November 2, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Reply
    • memoe

      From these poor pic's I can't see any varialbe thrust nozzles.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:13 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      no it isn't thrust vectoring

      November 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Reply
  66. JJ

    Just copying American aircraft from years ago. Doesn't matter though. The days of humans flying combat missions are quickly coming to a close as drones will take over. I guess American drones will be knocking these things out of the air in a few years.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:07 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      By drones you mean remote controlled planes. The pilot is a backup to the autopilot and can be easily and safely ejected in case of danger.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:11 pm | Reply
      • Rashid

        Don't worry about these comments , they are just jealous

        November 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
  67. hawaiirules

    Probably got that technology the same time Clinton was selling them missle technology.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:05 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Actually it was Bush who gave the technology. F-35 didn't fly till 2006.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:12 pm | Reply
    • tk007e

      The stole the stealth technology from the stealth fighter shot down in Yugoslavia during the Clinton adminstration. Milosovich gave it to them.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:18 pm | Reply
      • Yang Xi Gua

        J-31 is derived from F-35, not from F-117.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
      • Yang Xi Gua

        J-31 prototype escorted by a yellow J-11 Flanker

        http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/j-31-9.jpg

        November 2, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
      • Dan

        Stop commenting Charlie Yang. This plane appears to be slightly slanted?

        November 2, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
  68. Martin

    Shape and radar absorbent paint is so 80's, there are plenty of radars that would catch it today just ask the French or the Russians, the real trick comes from the plane absorbing the radar signals, and sending back fake returns to any radar trying to track it, that technology and that computing power exists only in one plane.. take a guess who has it....

    November 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Rafale's Spectra.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • ChicagoBulls

      PAK-FA aka Fighter T-50 ?!

      November 3, 2012 at 12:17 am | Reply
    • BeerMug

      Sopwith Camel?

      November 3, 2012 at 1:19 am | Reply
  69. Yang Xi Gua

    AVIC, the corporation that makes Chinese combat aircraft, employs over 400,000. Here comes jobs creation.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm | Reply
    • Rashid

      Well done China, that's why we Pakistani call you guys our most competent freind .

      November 2, 2012 at 10:27 pm | Reply
      • Zeus

        Right, perfect partners in crime. One kills its own citizens while the other kills all others in the world.

        November 3, 2012 at 12:29 am |
  70. max

    No doubt the technology was stolen from us. The jet just looks like one of our fighters.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • Antonio

      I'm sure some parts of the aircraft were "stolen", but more likely given away by the US. It's not too farfetch to think the US would actually want other countries to have some of these technologies they can use to develop their military hardware. If not the US cannot justify the expense defense. Defense spending is by far the largest econimic booster to any country. Without a good reason to countiue to fund defense in the US the economy will suffer. By allowing some of these technology to be "stolen" Congress in the US has no excuse but to fund defense spending, creating jobs, which would have the triggle down effect on the economy.

      The recipient country of these "given" technologies would certainly apply them to their full use. They look alike to that of the US because why would they reinvent when they have a proven technology? The wheels were invented by someone long time ago. I don't recall anyone designing a square wheel just to be different as far back as anyone could remember.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm | Reply
  71. Ike was right

    Great, let these guys sink their their national treasure (aquired by us as some have pointed out) into these wasteful war toys.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Reply
    • JimiJons

      That's funny, because the US spends 5 times more on it's military than China does.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:21 pm | Reply
  72. BigGuyWithABigFighterPlane

    Oh,no.Them chinks have invented a new stealth plane.

    PLEASE,we have high-powered missiles that can shoot that,and radar that supplements it.

    NO need to fear them,they don't even have a 'real' air-craft carrier,so this plane is useless.

    November 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      AVIC, the corporation that makes Chinese combat aircraft, employs over 400,000.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:03 pm | Reply
      • BigGuyWithABigFighterPlane

        so?

        November 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
      • zometimer

        "BigGuyWithABigFighterPlane" not seeing the big picture. Probley already voted for oBAMa.....

        November 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
      • Zeus

        What about the delivery system ?

        November 3, 2012 at 12:27 am |
  73. Thanosone

    This plane is an attempt to catch-up with the American air dominator. I suspect that the craft in know manner, except looks perhaps, comes even close to the true fighting/performance charateristics of the raptor. Immitation's never do.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Perhaps, but if piloted by a Latino or African American pilot, an F-22 may not be a match for a J-31 piloted by a Han pilot. You know, Han Solo.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Reply
      • JPH

        An ignorant racist will always be bested by a superior pilot of any ethnicity. It's hard to fly an airplane when your head is up your ass.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
      • Dan

        Keep it down Charlie

        November 2, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
  74. jester1028

    great...a chinese stealth plane with (of course) made from chinese parts...I'll bet FoxConn assembled this plane along with the ipads...

    November 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Reply
    • Joejakejohn

      Apple products from Foxconn are pretty high quality products if you ask me

      November 3, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  75. PoleCat

    I'll bet it's all show and no go, just like most everything else they make.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      I guess making 1.4 billion people is all show no go.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Reply
      • Zer0

        Now you're getting it. But seriously, who cares.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
  76. t3chn0ph0b3

    The flying wing is a better stealth concept. Fewer angular features, fewer seams, higher fuel to plane ratio. I have no idea why they're going with this design.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Reply
  77. anti-communist

    i dont trust anything that "made in china"... things just falling apart.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Except for weapons hardware.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply
      • John

        Yeah, because they rip off the designs or buy the already tested hardware from Russia (even the rear end has a star on it. just like MIGs, nice!). The Engines on this "fifth generation plane" are rumored to be that used by Mig-29.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
      • zometimer

        The fact remains.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Jason

      Then get off your computer.

      November 3, 2012 at 1:06 am | Reply
  78. enzo24

    China once again shows that it is the world leader in copying other people

    November 2, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Even in looks and DNA. Good copiers they are.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  79. Yang Xi Gua

    The nose painting looks like the one on J-20, which suggest J-31 uses the same AESA radar as J-20 does.

    http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/29379_548694575145956_578423377_n.jpg

    http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/29379_548694575145956_578423377_n.jpg

    November 2, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Oops, second pic is http://i.imgur.com/551Jv.jpg

      November 2, 2012 at 9:54 pm | Reply
  80. Jesse

    China, India, and Russia are manufacturing more gen 5 fighters than the US. They are more agile than the F22/F35 but the Radar Cross Section is larger than the the F22/F35 like a golf ball vs beachball.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  81. alex

    I still prefer the Spitfire

    November 2, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Reply
  82. mike

    Funny anecdotal info, but for the past five days here in Jersey we have been without power and everything has been closed... except for the chinese restaurants. Eg foo yung and fighter jets are not the same, but the chinese seemed pretty tough to me, and they only wanted to sell food and do business, not whine about the immediate hardship. Just saying.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Chinese people are willing to crawl under other people's legs if that'll get them to dominate the world. They are a formidable people!

      November 2, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Reply
      • Jimbob

        The Han have created a sophisticated culture over the past two millennia, but they have not been formidable by any means. Their singular conquest was over southern China. They are poised to dominate Asia in a way that they never have before, but it remains to be seen whether the Communist government can really lead the world in positive ways. I studied in the Soviet Union and hope that current Chinese ambitions don't follow the same tragic path.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  83. ha

    "Pike said the primary Chinese military jet engine is based on an American design." Not surprising. China copies everything American.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Most likely two WS-13 turbofan engines which also power the Chengdu JF-17 Thunder combat plane.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      Seriously, the only way you will stop thinking that China "stole" a design from another nation is when they make a banana shaped aircraft, no wait, then you'll complain that the Chinese copied the design straight out of Battle Star Galactica or something.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:22 pm | Reply
  84. Yang Xi Gua

    The air inlets sweep forward as on the F-35 because the inlets are fused with the fuselage at a bumps. No existing combat aircraft other than Chengdu JF-17 has this feature.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Reply
  85. gstlab3

    Conventional aircraft are obsolete when you consider modern nukes that just so happen to be tuned just right to release massive magnetic waves destroying all microchips

    We also have flying disc technology from captured space aliens.

    Flying saucers will make these little airplanes fodder for target practice fun.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      Don't forget our time machines and our secret Dino Ops strike forces.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:52 pm | Reply
    • Zeus

      The upcoming "Star Wars" movie should provide some more advanced weapon system designs.

      November 3, 2012 at 1:12 am | Reply
  86. newenglands

    Be serious, America needs 14yr to dig a Big-Dig tunnel in Boston. Shanghai put three subways within 2yr.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
    • If you actually hate America then leave

      They did it with stolen American Technology and about a million people known as slave labor.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Reply
      • Ne0tropical

        Cool looking plane. All of this talk about US having superior equipment – if you remember in WWII – the Germans had much better equipment, more advanced airplanes, and strongholds throughout Europe. American numbers along with fighting ingenuity won the war – the Chinese have that covered in spades.

        November 2, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
      • zometimer

        get back under your union rock, idiot

        November 2, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  87. CS Venkat

    40 years of American engagement with China has reaped rich economic dividends for that nation. Americans buying Chinese goods have made China rich, as American corporations beat each other in a race to ship all manufacturing to China. So while the American middle & lower classes get decimated, China's new found wealth is used by her armed forces to flex their muscles. Conflict with the US is inevitable, unless we Americans STOP our business class & their allies in Congress from their suicidal policy of unequal engagement with China in pursuit of illusory profits for a few at the expense of the American nation. The time to act is NOW, or the future cost to the American people will be incalculable.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Reply
  88. anti-communist

    All neighbor countries will join together and beat the hell out of the chinese invaders....

    November 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Reply
    • Zer0

      Canada would laugh its ass off and all of Mexico would welcome this. With all the new factories to cheaply produce lead products there would be more jobs than ever before.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:49 pm | Reply
  89. memoe

    Look at the canards, they a telling when it comes tp performance!

    November 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      J-20 is canarded. J-31 is not.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
  90. Yang Xi Gua

    J-10 is like F-16. J-11 is like F-15. J-20 is like FB-22. J-31 is like F-35.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Reply
    • memoe

      What is the Chinese equiv. to the US F-22?

      November 2, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Reply
      • memoe

        Have the Chinese developed the airframe comparible to the U.S. Switch Blade?

        November 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Jason

      Only in terms of maneuverability for the J10 and J11/ su 27. Their radar and electronic warfare suites are still years behind what's on the US jets. As for the J20 and this new guy, we're not sure how capable they are but it's possible that the J20 will end up as an interceptor or strike fighter.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Reply
  91. Johnny 5

    China will mass produce the J-31 and then kick our assess with it for not paying our debt.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  92. John

    Good. Let them too spend trillions on technology they will likely never use.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Reply
  93. Yang Xi Gua

    a rather frontal view

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/741613.shtml

    November 2, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Reply
  94. skpillai

    Another Chinese successful counterfeit!!

    November 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Reply
    • ha

      Successful remains to be seen

      November 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply
  95. John

    @Yang Xi Gua: I guess the eagle artwork is a tip-of-the-hat to the clearly ripped off American F-22!

    November 2, 2012 at 9:30 pm | Reply
  96. RQ

    More theft of our technology. Or did we just give it to them like everything else?

    November 2, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Reply
    • Yang Xi Gua

      Actually it was not stolen by rather given by the elites as a hedge against the US military should there be an uprising in the USA.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Reply
    • Steve

      Really doesn't matter – the United States is pretty much 'owned' by Chinese & other Countries already. If ever you thought of taking a 'foreign language' might I suggest Chinese with a Spanish 'kicker' LOL

      November 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm | Reply
      • xray

        You guys are looking at this wrong,the US has borrowed 2 trillion or so from the Chinese...so you have their money.
        If you don't pay it back...which country was smarter?

        November 3, 2012 at 6:49 am |
      • silent observer

        Is that how your world works for you?

        November 3, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • Jason

      The only "theft" is the radar absorbent coating which every nation has by now. As for the airframe, unless you're blind, then there's no way you can consider that to be a theft of any designs because there's no stealth prototypes out there that are this small with two engines.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Reply
  97. Yang Xi Gua

    love the eagle artwork on the plane

    November 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Reply
  98. Tembisa

    Reblogged this on World Chaos.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Reply
  99. Yang Xi Gua

    F-35 is to be operational by about 2018 time frame, if all goes well.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      The USMC and the RAF has already gotten a few of those jets for training purposes so the F 35 will be operational within a couple of years.

      November 2, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
  100. Yang Xi Gua

    J-31 is operational by about 2016, not 2027.

    November 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Reply
    • Bliayang

      I believe you.

      November 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm | Reply
    • Joaquin

      So what exactly is the advantage of this plane over the US warplanes? What makes it so different that the US has to be worried about?

      November 2, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Reply
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