U.S. out of Middle East: an Egyptian general's candid paper
August 17th, 2012
01:20 PM ET

U.S. out of Middle East: an Egyptian general's candid paper

By Jennifer Rizzo

The new second in command of the Egyptian military called for a withdrawal of American forces from the Middle East in a research paper he wrote while attending the U.S. Army War College in 2005.

The paper offers a glimpse into the thinking of Lt. Gen. Sedky Sobhy, who is the newly appointed chief of staff of the armed forces as part of shakeup of the military's top echelon.

"I recommend that the permanent withdrawal of the United States military forces from the Middle East and the (Persian) Gulf should be a goal of the U.S. strategy in this region," he wrote in the paper reviewed by CNN.

Sobhy criticized the United States for playing favorites by taking Israel's side on issues. He wrote that the U.S. alliance with Israel did not sit well in the region.

"Nothing defines better the ideological struggle that the United States has to overcome in the Middle East than the hostility and negative perceptions that exist in the region because of the U.S. unique and one-sided strategic relationship with Israel," Sobhy wrote.

Sobhy said that security challenges for the United States in the region would be alleviated if it were to "truly work" for a permanent solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

While the comments seem bold, Middle East analysts told CNN's Security Clearance that these views are rather common in the region.

The belief in the centrality of an Arab-Israeli settlement to regional stability are not unique. It's standard operating procedure," said Jon Alterman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Atlantic Council analyst Michele Dunne said there were no surprises.

"The views that he expressed could not be more mainstream," said Dunne, who previously worked as a diplomat in Cairo and was a member of the National Security Council staff.

"They are absolutely within the mainstream of Egyptian military and even Egyptian government views. They are the very same views that one would hear if you sat down with any Egyptian government official in Cairo," Dunne said.

Dunne said the only thing unusual is that the paper is available. It is rare for Egyptian military officers to express their opinions in public, she said.

Fawaz Gerges, director of the Middle East Centre at the London School of Economics, said the fact that Sobhy's views are so thoughtfully and publicly laid out is a telling sign of the new commander's personality.

"He is outspoken. He is not afraid to express his political views. He feels confident. In a way it represents a generational shift," Gerges said.

Gerges says the new military leaders will exert confidence from knowing they are appointed by legitimate leadership.

President Mohamed Morsy, the country's first freely elected president, ousted the country's top generals on Sunday.

Analysts say the appointments signal a shift in the balance of power between the country's civilian and military leaders.

A blogger known as @Arabist originally uncovered the report, drawing attention to it in a Twitter posting. McClatchy News Service first reported on the story.

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  1. Ranger830

    It will never end!!! Mankind as a whole is too stupid! Religeous fanatasism only makes it worse! The whole of Islam will consume itself over its own hatred and intolerance! Wait,before all you muzzis try to enlighten me as to how peaceful and tolerant true Islam is save it! You prove to the entire world on a daily basis how peaceful and tolerant you are! LMFAO!!!!!! No mention lately or ferver over civilian casulties in Afghanistan? Thats because the muzzis there have been doing a swell job of killing plenty of their civilian muslim brothers on their own huh? Quite perplexing to me why there is no outcry from the muslim world over this!!! Any way you peaceful and tolerant muzzis have a nice day and enjoy your killing of an 11 year old down syndrome christian girl!!! Glory be to Allah the merciful LMFAO!!!! Your not fooling anyone!!!! Heratics and hipocrits who hide behind an archaic religion! I served this country for 21 years so I have firsthand seen your tolerance and mercy!!! lol RLTW. Infadel for life!!!!!!

    August 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm | Reply
  2. Reality

    US should be out of middle east because Zionism is not going bring any thing good to middle east except occupation and stealing of resources.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm | Reply
    • ConcernedParticipant

      Exactly – such as "stealing" (read "gaining") back all the resources the Romans originally stole and getting it back to the rightful owners. The funny thing about the Palestinians are they aren't really a separate people compared to the surrounding countries, unlike the Israelis. The Palestinians are a conglomerate of Arabs masquerading as a made-up people and are used as a social weapon against Israel. The DNA already proved that. The Palestinians efforts to build a false archeological history to lay false claims on the land are also a falsehood propagated to give fake credence to a fake people to undermine the legitimate Israelis. It's all one huge Psy-Op by the Mooslm Radicals, and it's working because it has the majority of the Left in the U.S. believing it hook, line, and sinker. The Temple Mount was there first before that Apostate dome was built over it, which will probably end up being removed one day. Ez Ch 38. If the "Palestinians" (aka Arabs) want somewhere to live, there is a lot of space in Sinai.

      August 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Reply
  3. counselor39@hotmail.com

    In a related story, Lt. Gen. Sedky Sobhy's paper also revealed that we believes that water is wet.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:42 am | Reply
    • Super Duper Counselor

      You think you're funny but you're not. If you can't see the news worthiness of this story then go back to your sandbox.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
  4. Truth

    Hahahaha "it's easier to get along with someone who espouses the same freedom-centric doctrine as us." – To call you naive is an understatement. How about you take a history class or political science class and learn about all the dictators the US has supported or even in some cases helped gain power, and that's just the cases that are known. How about you look in the past all the democratic movements of countries that the US has tried to stifle or just ignored unless it fits in to their overall regional or economic strategy.

    "Iran's leadership is full of die-hard psychos who don't mind bathing the entire region in nuclear fire in a first-strike." – You mean just like the psychos in Israel that have a policy of using a first strike to nuke the entire region if their state was about to lose a war and collapse? And its not a strike to prevent the collapse either, its a policy of revenge.

    If you want to keep smoking and hitting your head against the wall to lose brain cells thats fine by me but at least don't try to enter into a discussion that you can't comprehend. Parroting what you've heard other say and not actually doing any indepth research yourself does not make you smart.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply
    • John

      I don't think people with extreme views on either side are helping at all. The problem here is that the hatred runs so deep that neither side is willing to give an inch. In order to make peace there must be compromise and both sides must give some. I am afraid however that perhaps more people want blood rather then peace.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
    • furrycatherder

      The incessant myth that Israel has nukes (never proven or admitted, and nukes that aren't admitted to exist have no deterrent capabilities) and will use them as a final act of revenge if it is about to lose a war. There are even some who claim that Israel will nuke Europe or even the United States for not doing enough to have helped prevent the war that they are supposedly going to use as the trigger for nuking the entire world.

      These types of bizarre accusations are anti-semetism at its finest.

      August 25, 2012 at 6:53 am | Reply
      • dave

        And the myth that Iran is trying to develop Nukes has never been proven either.

        September 6, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  5. doabitofhomework

    Shall we talk about obsessions, then? How about the one that ALL Muslims pick up from the cradle – the obsessive hatred of Israel and all Jews? Have you ever known a Muslim, and found that merely mentioning Israel makes him get to his feet and "dry-slaughter" Jews with an imaginary cutlass? I've seen them do this many times. Obsessive hate of Jews is fed to them with mother's milk.

    So now they want us to walk away from Israel altogether. And that is supposed to be our cue as to what we should do if we want Egypt to be our good buddy. We're supposed to fall for THAT?

    Israel has been behaving VERY badly in recent years. Not that the Muslim hatred against them has worsened, because it can't get worse than it has been for far too many years to count. But they are behaving badly by tossing out their own standards and caving in to the same standards Muslims use by default. It's understandable, but NOT acceptable. Atrocities never are. And now BOTH sides commit them.

    Notwithstanding that, however, the Muslim obsession to GENOCIDE the Jews and totally take over what is now Israel, will never end. Not as long as Islam exists in the world. And Egypt, like all other Islamic States, is not – and never will be – our "good buddy." Even with the atrocities Israel has committed, they do NOT deserve to be genocided.

    The paper cited in the article says flatly that it is the fault of the U.S. that Israel and the "Palestinians" have failed to reach an accord. By WHOSE measure is it OUR duty to make that happen? It's THEIR bloodfeud. Muslims instigated it. The only thing Israel CAN do is to fight against it – or do we expect them to all lie down and open their veins?

    But there's another reason to want us to skedaddle from the entire Middle East with all our military. It would get in the way. Not just of the plan to genocide everyone in Israel, but ALSO to get us out of the way when this lovely little bouquet of spandy-new Islamic States decides it is the propitious time to invade Europe.

    Yeah, that does sound outrageous, doesn't it? Europe, after all, has very powerful military; so the Muslims wouldn't DARE. Or would they?

    You see, all that military will be of no use to them. Anybody remember Glasgow? Four dudes, all doctors who had lived in Scotland for DECADES, gaining friendships and respect, suddenly went Section 8 and turned into ravening jihadis. So now, just THINK what it would be like if all the Muslims "peacefully" residing throughout Europe suddenly did the precise same thing – all at once? How many Muslims would be jihading? Well, what's the population of Muslims in all the European nations? I don't know, but it's in the many millions. Picture them all going jihad together, while meanwhile, the combined MILITARY of all those new Islamic States is invading them in a more conventional manner?

    It would be...bad. No nation, however powerful, could survive this kind of double attack – from without, from combined military might of 5-8 separate nations, TOGETHER WITH something like 50,000,000 people going berzerk destroying infrastructure, people and even military bases. And all of it happening very suddenly, with no forewarning. They're not quite ready to send out the call for this jihad, because they'll only get one shot at it, and won't do it until they think conditions are in their favor. But they COULD do it right now. And they would win, too.

    But they'd have to get American military out of the picture, for optimum results, you see. Not that there's much we could do, except to help fight the military attacks. What could we – or anyone – possibly do to stop the millions of people tearing Europe apart from within, all on the same day?

    Do you think Muslims wouldn't dare try this? Or that they'd never be able to coordinate something like that? Or maybe that they wouldn't want to be so nasty toward us all? Or, worst of all, are you ABLE to think that they couldn't come up with the idea in the first place? If I can do it, you can believe they already have done so. After all, for what reason would millions of Muslims voluntarily come to live in the blasphemous and obscene free-world nations? Because they "yearn" for liberties and rights? Yeah, that's what they told us to get us to help them take over Libya, remember? And did they choose democracy there? You know what they chose, and what the other insurgencies have chosen, also. One after another. Yet we don't SEE that it is a mobilization, as well as a cluster of "revolutions." We only see them one at a time, so we miss connecting the dots and seeing the big picture here. And the Muslims RELY on us not doing so, too. Their propaganda is very effective with us, isn't it? Peace and tolerance. Right? Anybody who has read the Quran and Hadith, cover to cover, learns that Islam is about conquest, not peace or tolerance, except between Muslims. For everyone else, there ARE NO RULES.

    And, since conquest of the WHOLE WORLD is the prime directive of Islam, what else can be expected of them? And wouldn't they just be tickled pink to get their (peaceful and tolerant) hands on Europe's NUKES?

    Do you think they'd be so nice as to refrain from sending some of those nukes westward, to the U.S.? Oh, that's right, Muslims are "peaceful and tolerant," so everything is just fine.

    Right?

    Oh, and BTW, I am a LIBERAL. A responsible liberal does NOT go into denial, does NOT hang onto political correctness with a death-grip, and does NOT refuse to look at ugly realities. Few of our liberals today are the responsible kind any more. But Republicans are far worse; they'd be spitting nickels to be able to wage a war against Muslims, any time, anywhere. Making war on Muslims is a losing proposition – they slather to get us to make more wars on them. So is hating them equally pointless. The only way of dealing with them is to THWART the things they try to do. Which takes both meticulous planning, full cooperation among other free-world countries, and an objective knowledge of the realities involved here. It also takes some time to formulate such a plan, and gear up to carrying it out. I don't think we have enough time left to do that, but we should be trying. By the time they implement their plan, it will be too late.

    So what can YOU do? You can study Islam as though your life depended on it.

    Because it DOES.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
    • Muslim

      I second this clown's request that people should study Islam as though their life depended on it. That way people will realize how much of a whackjob this guy is. Islamophobes consistently misquote, use quotes out of their temporal context, outright lie and make stuff up, regurgitate other's lies, ignore facts that disprove them, ignore history that disproves them, come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, and tie the actions of falliable and misguided human beings to religion.

      The fact that they have to make stuff up is enough for sane people to understand the truth. If Islam was so inherently evil why lie and make stuff up? There should be more than enough true examples to prove your point. And that's what you're downfall will be. The more people look into Islam they more the sane people will realize that Islam is not evil and it'll weed out the whackjobs with an agenda or racist tendancies. If enough racist or ignorant people believe the mumbo jumbo that islamophobes say, and then eventually act out any sort of violence on muslims on a scale anywhere near Hitler, the sane world will eventually stand up (even if its a hundred years later) and put an end to it and muslims will continue living and practicing their beliefs while Islamophobes will die out. Even if it gets worse before it gets better, Islamophobes will be exposed for what they are and end up as the neo-nazis of today, a marginal, ridiculous, irrelevant, and outright shtoopid part of society.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:29 am | Reply
    • glennrobert

      A study of Orthodox Judaism would be just as disconcerting as your study of the Muslim faith. The fanatics in both faiths are nuts!

      August 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Reply
    • Reality

      What about people who teach you to grab others land in the name god given BS (a Significant population of Christians and Jews who believe in Zionism) ? I don't find them any more good than few Muslim fanatics (1-2%) who want to conquer the world.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply
    • Sodomite

      I am happy that you live in constant fear simply because you're consumed with ignorance and hatred to see straight.

      August 20, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  6. wil

    I think the fact that CNN thought this news worthy is not a sign of bias. To the contrary it's a their duty to report the news whether you agree with the general's opinion or not (which I for one don't). It's a matter of keeping people informed of the feelings and actions of those who are in power in a rather unstable part of the world. If you only want to hear stories that follow a specific diatribe, what the latest fashions are, or what the Kardashians are up to I'm sure Fox and Friends would suit you well.

    August 20, 2012 at 9:52 am | Reply
  7. gjlkhfgj

    if scott taylor and his anti american coalition does not shut up there will be no secrets

    August 20, 2012 at 7:38 am | Reply
    • pogo the clown

      Good.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
  8. East Bay Ed

    I agree with the new general. We have a pathological bias towards Israel and should stop all support. Israel is not the 51 state. It's had over 50 years to make piece with it's neighbors and has been unable to do so. It's time to let Israel to survive or die on it's own.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:56 am | Reply
    • itsjustme

      Jew hatred in Islam is an essential foundation to the Islamic belief system that Muslims cannot seem to be able to rid themselves of. Jew-hatred masks an existential problem in Islam. Islam is terrified of the Jews, and the number-one enemy of Islam is the truth.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:17 am | Reply
      • Truth

        The truth is that it was Muslims who let Jews back into Jerusalem and Israel/Palestine after they beat the Romans who had expelled the Jews from the area.
        The truth is there have been many Jewish communities which flourished in muslim arab nations through out the centuries. The only reason there are barely any now is because of the creation of Israel and the Zionist ideology which calls for Jews to go back to the "Promised Land". Even if that includes the theft of land of the arab inhabitants, whether muslim or christian.
        The truth is Muslims respect Jews as People of the Book, just as they do with Christians, and that the violence is about the theft of land and livelihood from the Palestinians by Jews.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:49 am |
      • glennrobert

        Israel goes on taking the West Bank one house at a time!

        August 20, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
      • furrycatherder

        Jews were forcibly expelled from Arab states after the 1948 declaration of independence by Israel. There was no compensation by the Arab states for the land or property they seized by force, and efforts at swapping Israeli claims in Arab states for "Palestinian" claims in Israel have been ignored.

        I have very close and very dear Muslim friends. The poster up-thread who said that the hatred for Jews is ingrained into the religion is 100% correct. Until Islam gets over the whole "convert all the Jews to Islam or kill them" thing they've got going, Islam is a very dangerous world religion.

        August 25, 2012 at 7:03 am |
  9. ConcernedParticipant

    Another awesome ally of ours – comes to our nation, trains with our forces, and is most likely to become one of our enemies. Makes me sick that our tax payers probably funded this guy's stay here. As for his opposition to the U.S. taking Israel's side over other middle eastern countries – it's easier to get along with someone who espouses the same freedom-centric doctrine as us. To try to work hand in hand with despots is bad for business folks. You tell me – would you rather have Israel as an ally or Iran? Iran's leadership is full of die-hard psychos who don't mind bathing the entire region in nuclear fire in a first-strike. Not the kind of friends I would choose folks.

    August 19, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • Truth

      Riiiiiight...."it's easier to get along with someone who espouses the same freedom-centric doctrine as us." – To call you naive is an understatement. How about you take a history class or political science class and learn about all the dictators the US has supported or even in some cases helped gain power, and that's just the cases that are known. How about you look in the past all the democratic movements of countries that the US has tried to stifle or just ignored unless it fits in to their overall regional or economic strategy.

      "Iran's leadership is full of die-hard psychos who don't mind bathing the entire region in nuclear fire in a first-strike." – You mean just like the psychos in Israel that have a policy of using a first strike to nuke the entire region if their state was about to lose a war and collapse? And its not a strike to prevent the collapse either, its a policy of revenge.

      If you want to keep smoking and hitting your head against the wall to lose brain cells thats fine by me but at least don't try to enter into a discussion that you can't comprehend.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:03 am | Reply
      • ConcernedParticipant

        Ok let’s take a look here at what was said and what you implied: “How about you take a history class or political science class and learn about all the dictators the US has supported or even in some cases helped gain power, and that's just the cases that are known. How about you look in the past all the democratic movements of countries that the US has tried to stifle or just ignored unless it fits in to their overall regional or economic strategy.”
        Never did I say the U.S. made NO mistakes in foreign policy in the past, (and if you look at the record, it’s clear that the career politicians have all manipulated the world a time or two – and not in our best interests [I'm assuming you're American here]). I was simply saying that as a nation who espouses a system based on freedom and self determination, we would do good to side with those like us, not work to appease the salivating crazies like the Iranian regime (or Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, or the rising Lybian extremists, etc.) who are obviously bent on total destruction of their neighbors, oppressors of their own people, champions of abusing and oppressing women, etc. For you to say what you did implies that “because we’ve done bad things in the past makes it ok now to continue down that road”. – get a grip pal and pull your head out of you’re a–. You’re obviously a Left-leaner by your comments: instead of a solution, you pump up the past mistakes and talk all day about those, yet leave the problem unanswered. So where’s your creative solution? Quick to throw out the past without a mention about how to fix the problem and go forward to conquer these problems? You dear sir are one of those complainers who have no creative solutions, correct? Whine about how bad it is and how it’s the Right’s fault without offering a solution, correct? That’s pretty typical. Wha, wha wha.

        August 23, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  10. calfmeat

    It's not hard to blame the US because it's been there for so long now. For at least a few years we could have stepped out but we have not. We have just been fighting and fighting and fighting. The world doesn't understand why we keep going around the world attacking people. They don't know or care there were "good reasons" to invade another Islmaic nation but once they take a look at the Islamic States are all fighting one another and how long the US has been there they blame the US. We need to pull the plug bring our men and women back home.

    August 19, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply
    • itsjustme

      video streams continue to show throngs of Mus-lims overseas burning flags and chanting, "Death to America!"

      By dropping israel we would have plausible deniability.let israel that has 100s of nukes take care of the islamic mess ,

      August 20, 2012 at 3:29 am | Reply
  11. brown

    What cost our unhealthy relationship with Israel?

    August 18, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Reply
    • Gonad gary

      I think he has no credibility, he failed to predict the complete stupification of his country.

      August 19, 2012 at 5:48 am | Reply
  12. mmanr1918

    this general egyptian is crazy if the american troops let the middle east the israeli jews will go to die of fulminant heart attack

    August 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Reply
    • shrinkDave

      Very scholarly put.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:02 am | Reply
  13. NoN

    This article is an abject fraud. Does CNN expect us to believe the General submitted this so-called research paper with some kind of expectation of student-teacher confidentiality, and at the USA War College of all places?!? Give us a break! He was merely parroting his government's line, and the paper was probably vetted by Egyptian foreign policy staff prior to submission. It has no significance and reveals nothing of value or interest in other words, sheesh.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply
    • shrinkDave

      Truth is extremely important to the Egyptian Administration. Of Course.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:03 am | Reply
  14. Hasai

    Dearest LTG Sobhy:

    Believe us, if it weren't for our idiotic reliance upon Middle Eastern oil, and our equally idiotic politicians' reliance upon certain voters, we'd be out of that dump so fast every window in the region would shatter from the shock wave.

    Sincerely;

    John Q. Public, in Ohio

    August 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Reply
    • calfmeat

      HAHA. Awesome

      August 19, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • MKinSoCal

      If you write this up and mail it to the general, will it be available for the rest of us to sign?

      August 20, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
  15. Paul II

    The writer of this article calls his paper "bold". What's so bold about saying something that is mainstream in his society? Nothing.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:57 pm | Reply
  16. robert

    It's very simple. Israel basically shares the same democratic values as the US, and also respects US Christians that come to visit the Holy Land. There are no such shared values coming from the surrounding countries, despite their hollow claims to the contrary. Threats and terrorism against Americans will only reinforce this perception. And "Hahahahahaha" is right: should we have just let Hitler take over the Mid-East during WWII? After all, Hitler had many willing allies in the region (obviously, those weren't Jewish allies). It is also interesting that this Egyptian General was studying at the Army War College. I hope he studied his history lessons well, and learned a thing or two about the importance of freedom in the process.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • shrinkDave

      Yes!

      August 19, 2012 at 1:01 am | Reply
  17. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    HINDU GODDESS KALI
    A LESSON IN MILITARY STRATEGY AND PERSONAL SACRIFICE

    A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of India. Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations. The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:35 pm | Reply
  18. kK

    A hundred years from now our kids will be reading about it and saying: "So, we had 50million uninsured people. We had 20million in poverty. We were lagging behind the developed world in dozens of measures of development and we believed we had the responsibility and we had the right (and the $$) to be spending a half of our tax dollars on countries thousands of miles away? Really? Really?

    August 18, 2012 at 11:14 am | Reply
    • Paul II

      We do NOT spend "half" our tax dollars on countries far away. That is a ridiculous. Last year the US spent$47B in foreign aid, only a few precent of a budget over $1T. Is it work it? That is a different question.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Reply
      • parabolid71

        47 Billion is official number for direct "foreign aid". Now, if you are in debt, how can you afford to give even 1 $ to somebody else.
        Indirect cost of "foreign aid" is war in Iraq, war in Afganistan, bombing of Yemen, bombing of Somalia, bombing of Pakistan, undercover operations in Lybia, Syria (not so undercover), Jordan, Egypt, military bases in Gulf states, and that comes up to several trillions. The question is can we afford that? Why are we in debt 15 trillions and counting.

        August 24, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • shrinkDave

      That is a typical perspective of the ignorant, and angry class of Americans that has arisen in numbers in the last few years, along with a difficult economy. To kK, it's nice that you express yourself about this, but please find some good data if you're going to comment on matters that affect people's lives.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:11 am | Reply
      • parabolid71

        Banksters at Wall Street have stolen trillions and then forced tax payer to bail them out (Private sector banks!), Fed has printed 17.9 trillions (Bloomberg). You call that : "difficult economy".
        Where is the economy part (In China). I see theft and illegal printing of money. Where is the economy? (In China)

        August 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  19. Salah

    As long as our countries producing terrorist factories, America have no choice but to be involved in cleaning their mess

    August 18, 2012 at 1:48 am | Reply
    • parabolid71

      It is really fascinating that no terorist activities existed before we put our soldiers (aslo known as ocupation) in other countries.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Reply
  20. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Fawaz Gerges, director of the Middle East Centre at the London School of Economics, said the fact that Sobhy's views are so thoughtfully and publicly laid out is a telling sign of the new commander's personality.

    This anti-American guy is a favorite of our PLAGIARIST & "covertly" Anti-American Mr. Fareed Zakaria who has been batting for the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Hamas and all such Islamic radicals. God save America if this guy were to become our next US Sec. of State as it's strongly rumoured to be (if Obama wins reelection)

    With Obama himself sorrounded by all these MB supporters including Huma Abaid, Rashad Hussian, Imam Rauf, Fareed Zakaria, Americans often what's in store for us, and our ally Israel in a second Obama administration.

    August 17, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Reply
    • Appleby

      TERRORIST GROUPS IN INDIA : Counter Implications for American Pullout From Middle East

      • RASHTRIYA SWAYAM SEWAK SHANG (R.S.S.)
      • VISHWA HINDU PARISHAD
      • HINDU MUNNANI
      • ARYA SAMAJ
      • SHIV SENA
      • BHARATIYA JANATA PARISHAD
      • SANT SAMITI
      • HINDU MAHASABHA
      • BAAJRANG DAL

      August 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Reply
    • k1c

      Fareed Zarachia has made comments I don't agree with but calling him unamerican is off base. Fresh perspectives are a way of looking things a new way,and understanding the mind of those who don't agree with you.That said Egypt's second general in command believes the US pressence should be withdrawn. If the US was energy independant,and the middle east didn't have so many of our personnal there( at thier request) I would gladly oblidge him.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Reply
  21. George Patton

    Gen. Sebky Sobhy is 100% right! This country has no business sending troops into the Middle East! We must give these countries a right to determine their own futures. In other words, Isolationism is an excellent idea whose time has come!!!

    August 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply
    • WDinDallas

      We tried that after WWI. Economic disaster. Isolation is was caused the Soviet Union to crumbled, the ruble had no international value. They could not produce or buy enough bread.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm | Reply
      • Sodomite

        The Soviets could no longer afford their empire and went broke. We're heading in the same direction.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
      • Suprise

        Political and military isolationism is separate from economic isolationism.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  22. Ken Spud

    I understand that most nations in the middle east are aligned together. I also understand that most of them have no diplomatic ties to the nation of Israel and do not recognize its existence.
    While this U.S. trained officer quarrels with the U.S. support of Israel, while at the same time ignoring the facts as stated above, what is his and the news media's (CNN) proposal for stability in the middle east? We don't need it ! Perhaps when the USA withdraws per his recommendation, does he propose that we let Iran maintain the peace; or even that Iran control the Straights of Hormuz. Maybe it is his idea that the Somali pirates take charge of the "canal". Or even that the Sunni's join forces with the "lunnis". What a worthless piece of trip this news is?
    With Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.,etc. as examples, does he propose stability would be achieved by the friendly relations between Israelis and the peoples of the middle east?
    The nub and the rub of these questions is this; why is his opinion of what the United States should do in the middle east made a matter of prominence by CNN when he obviously has no opinion on matters of at least equally great importance.
    Is this just another marketing issue with the news media (CNN)?

    August 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • shrinkDave

      Thank you.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:17 am | Reply
    • TruthMatters

      1. Iraq was stable before the US got involved, which no one asked them to do.
      2. Should Russia have gotten involved during the War of Independence and made North America stable by keeping the peace between Britain and Americans? (If neither side requested that).
      3. Every area on earth has had violence and unstability before it became stable, that includes the Americas, Europe, East Asia, etc. etc. Some places its still unstable, i.e. eastern Europe, southeast Asia, many parts of Africa.
      4. Stability happened in Europe and North America because they had the resources to develop and very little if any outside interference in their countries. That cant be said for alot of the world, including the Middle East, where the US and prior to them Europe, had a policy of propping up dictators that would open their countries to economic rape.
      5. Get out and leave these countries alone, it was the West that inhibited the growth, democratization of the rest of the world in the first place, and if it has to get worse before it gets better so be it. It's part of the process. Ofcourse the west cares more about themselves and not about the world so they were completely fine in inhibiting the growth of other nations and developing their own nations on the backs of others in the world but if it comes to the West having to have inhibited growth because the rest of the world is rising they wont stand for it.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:58 am | Reply
  23. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

    Maybe we should have left Hitler have it? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

    August 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Reply
    • parabolid71

      When was Hitler in Saudi Arabia. The rest of us missed that "historical fact" (also known as brain washing or to be polite : ignorance)

      August 24, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply

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