With sanctions targeting its oil sector, and the possibility of Israel striking its nuclear program, a senior official in Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Iran could strike U.S. military installations in the region "within minutes."
How equipped is Iran's military to carry out such a threat? CNN Foreign Affairs Correspondent Jill Dougherty reports.
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The West can not strike Iran so easily now, the window closed three years ago. If Israel or the US air force attacks, the US Navy will get a bad case of Sunburn...missile that is.
Oh, that's the new undetectable Russian anti-ship missile supplied to Iran and China in the hundreds. It is so advanced it makes the French Exocet missile look like a bottle rocket. It was designed to take out Aircraft Carriers.
There is no known defense against a "mass" launch of these missiles. The US Navy will lose half the 5th fleet in the narrow kill zone of the Persian Gulf, and any cripples left will die as they try to escape the bottle neck.
The United States trying to get the UN to apply meaningless sanctions is nothing more than theatrics. Russia and China will block any UN vote. Iran, thanks to Russia, Pakistan and China will join the nuclear club. There is little chance of stopping it now.
If Israel attacks Iran anyway, the 5th fleet is set up to be blown away. The only option left is nuclear or to deny FFI codes to Israel and shoot down the their planes.
Evilworm – Sure can tell you're a Muzzielover. If Iran makes the colossal MISTAKE of launching missiles at ANY U.S. ship or facility, the response from the U.S./allies would finally send Iran back into the Stone Age. They've got alligator mouths with hummingbird azzzes!
Iran is crazy enough to start WWIII just to make the headlines. But the war that will happen will be like the Korean War.
They have the Russian Anti-Ship Missile and the Russian, Chinese or North Korean techs standing behind them to guide them. And assisting radar and Anti-Air defence just like in Korean and VietNam war.
The US and Russia will not go nuclear. Israel might if hit hard enough.
My original point stands. 5th fleet is a sitting duck.
worm – Keep on babbling, loser!
Tom, why do ignorant chilren like you that can not express thought beyond an insult even bother to log in?
wienieworm – This "ignorant child" has bigger sacs than you and isn't scared of Iran or any other muzzzie! Keep your defeatist pinhead comments to yourself. Come back when you reach adulthood!
Sad, insults still without any credible rebuttal.
At least you agreed you are, how did you say ""ignorant child".
If you know what Google search is and how to use it, read about the Russian Sunburn missile. I don't care if you believe me or not.
Our American military has a bad habit of setting themselves up for Pearl Harbor, Tet Offensive and 9/11 events because of over confidence, apathy and incompetance. The US Government is allowing 66,000 Saudi students back into the USA now. How stupid is that? But they pay full tuition, so national security concerns do not matter.
Warnings are different than defeatist remarks. I do not expect you understand the difference.
I used it in jest, because I'm obviously more intelligent and mature than you. One thing I found out was, it doesn't take much to spin up a Tinkerbelle defeatist like you!
Sad, insults still without any credible rebuttal.
Wormy – You really need to do more research of U.S. Navy ship capabilities/etc. We WON'T put the 5th Fleet in a positon such as that. Our advance air umbrella (CAP/Alert 5/Radar aircraft/ECM/etc) is more advanced than your peabrain thinks it is! During my 22 1/2 year career in the Navy (Naval Aviation & Carriers), we were never put into a vulnerable position like that, and it hasn't changed yet! SO, keep on being the whining defeatist that you are! PS – That enough rebuttal, Twinkletoes??????
The latest Anti-ship missile capabilities obsolete your 22 year obsolete thinking.
wormie – Proof, references, etc! Your ignorance is definitely NOT obsolete. There are many fools like you on these boards!
If you know what Google search is and how to use it, read about the Russian Sunburn missile. I don't care if you believe me or not.
Threaten us with what? Oh right the Supreme Leader telling Assad to kill the women,children and elderly to play head games ...folks know insiders for Assad did this...and well Lords of War are being paid HUGE by business...it does not matter who you are – you never interfere with business...may be someone send free mosquitoes to Iran...free shipping...
we need to stop supporting israel, that's where most of our problems arise....without our military/financial support, israel would be torn to shreds by the Arab League
And what makes you think that is a good thing? In ANY way, shape or form?
Why not counter with an offer to leave Tehran a smoldering, radioactive hole in the desert?
Well, the radiation might be a problem for a few thousand years, so we have plenty of conventional weapons to make a nice AM-PM parking lot over there. Or a big ass Disneyland in the area formerly known as Iran in the region formally known as Persia ...
I hope Israel bombs the crap out of Iran lets say in early October so his majesty will be put on the spot..........
Its a damn shame that people are hoping for a war with Iran. War is bad. Why dont you go to the front lines. Why dont you stand under a bomb. If your family was killed in an air strike would you be so enthusiastic about war? War is scary, Its nothing like call of duty or any other video games. There are no respawns. Only suffering and death and hatred. Isreal should be tired of war. They should want peace. Tsun Tzu said the best kind of war is the one that isnt fought
They could strike within minutes and cease to exist as a viable military within about fifteen minutes after they do........
Israel is a little town in the East. Israel is nothing if US is behind them. Let's doing alone and maybe come the peace to this area. Iran must be destroy to Israel to avoid risk in his population
The aftermath of a Nuclear War if it were to happen in the Middle East would put the other leading nations that carry nuclear war heads to trigger a reaction or become more on edge with using their nuclear devices simply because. One they are readilly available. Two, it could be against their apposing country or nation or Three; out of Political, Military and Governmental Policy of Power. These 9 other nations with Nuclear Warheads can thrust us into a nuclear battle in which only God can control in stopping all of this by causing man's nuclear buttons to freeze up on releasing any other bombs and hence we would be at the mercy of God and man seeking a more lasting world peace effort worldwide.
Those of you who think "God"/whatever will be part of the solution are deluded idiots. It's time to drop the hammer on religion and get out of these religious wars!
The book has never been wrong...
@Darrell, and @your other brother Darrell ... Well, the book was wrong this one time ... Something about a snake. And oh yeah, that whole parting of the Red Sea thing too. And the boat full of two of every animal. Oh yeah, the whole belly of the whale thing is a little ... fishy. LOL!
and why would god freeze the button? for so long, within the course of human history, god let human alone to make all this mess without his enterventions. and WHY would he now???...i really beg some enlightenment!!!
all i can say israel is a village of USA acquired from Palestine through illegal occupation. and with all their nukes hisbollah can defea themt with in munutes leave alone Iran, any way the only advantage USA has unity with it is christian western cpuntries the muslim nation lack unity because i have never seen a country being attacked by a whole continent like africa attacking only britain for it is colonization of africa that is what happened to iraq. so if you really are brave enough let every country carry it is own burden when it comes to war.
All I can say is go ahead, Lake Iran!
Go ahead, attack Israel..any other country threatened like it has been , the world would DEMAND sanctions, etc. but if israel is attacked and says it will defend itself, then all are like "how dare you!" Hypocritical self-righteous pratts. So let iran and syria with full backing of china and russia attack Israel..i think some of you know very well the outcome of that futile effort.
yeah, you got your point accros and i seem to agree with you. at hindsight, though, there are the unknown and these is what people fear--the UNknown.
I am against any war. In war there are no winners, only losers & bigger losers. Everyone loses lives & money. Sometimes we are forced to fight. If you have to fight you fight to win & win with the least amount of damage & loss to ourselves. In reality if Iran really wants to build a nuclear weapon we wont be able to stop them. But they should be made well aware that if they ever dare use any weapon of mass destruction most of that country will cease to exist. We should in the case of an Iranian attack unleash hell on earth upon them. We have enough fire power in the area to be able to do that & if we have to do that wipe them out in a matter of ½ hour, completely stopping them from launching any more missiles. Now that’s a deterrent!
Why wait until some unstable terrorist supporting nation threatens to use WMD / nukes? Put a shock collar on this dog and tell it to sit properly or it gets the hose. War is necessary, comes with financial and human costs, and has placed each country within its current territory, freedom and power. War has helped us get the many freedoms we have today and yes at the cost of our American service personnel. We are free, in part, because of war. It would be great if only the bad guys would be taken out during a some military action but the fact of the matter is that this is nowhere near the case and smart bombs are not this smart. To quote the words of General Norman Shcwartzkopf "It's bovine scatology" to think that Achmed Imanutjob would back down from a stern talking to in being made aware of not to do this. He knows and its time he gets the hose.
Right on, the General would have handled it if he had free reign. We wouldn't even be talking about this now had he been allowed to clean it up.
You are absolutely incorrect. Every war, every fight, and every game of Tiddly Winks has a winner and a loser. If you have been convinced otherwise, then someone lied to you. There may be consequences, and there may be casualties on the winning side, but there is a winner. If you don't believe me, go ask any member of the Republican Guard.
IRAN STOP BEING HELD DOWN BY THE POWERS THAT BE
Rich people want a war with Iran so they can get richer. Are you willing to die to line their pockets further?
I'm not. Iran is a beautiful country with beautiful people. The hardliners are in power and will never give it up.
Progressiveness is slowly starting to take hold in the country and this is evident when the people marched and protested their leadership.
Give them time.
Besides who can afford war right now? USA can't even afford the debt interest payments.
let isreal finsh off this crap hole on its own and let america work on paying off its national debt and fixing its infrastructure.
Thats not very impressive that it would take them minutes to press a button to launch a rocket. The fact that the real threat to them is not a military threat but a financial threat makes you wonder if the leadship is totally unprepared on how to deal with it. I wonder how the Iranian people will react when they realize their leaders are idiots?
Iran is blah, blah, blah. They will only get one shot before their country is reduced to sand. Of course after they are destro yed they will claim innocent women and childred were killed. Remember Iran was allied with Hitler and they claim to be part of the aryian race. Iran wants to be a world leader or should I say conquerer. Fat chance in hell. They claim to be persians and not arabs. They are of the same crap and the smell tells it all.
Viet Nam was supposed to be annihilated too.
Yeah, let Vietnam try that again...
We were trying to change the political mindset of the north Vietnamese. We engaged and devastated their military. Their army was almost crushed after the ter offensive, however it achieved ho chi minhs goal which was to make the war unpopular at home, thus leading to the slow demise of the war due to lack of support.
Iran will be different. It will be a matter of annihilating their military and shutting down nuclear capabilities. We can do this very well. Iran and Iraq were evenly matched in their war and Iran hasn't upgraded much since then. Look at what we did to the Iraqi army during OIF. To put it lightly, they were overgrown weeds and we were a John deer tractor.
Well said ...
Pirouz;YOU WROTE: Pirouz 2, the reason the IRIAF stheciwd to point defense was attrition. Doing the math, the IRIAF reasoned that without available replacement aircraft, it would soon cease to exist (particulary in the case of strike fighters). Yes you are very right. And that was precisely what I was saying. It must be conceded that without the alliance of Iraq, the US, the USSR, France, KSA and Kuwait, Iran would have won the war with its highly spirited, volunteer forces. That part is true too, without the whole west (plus USSR) Iraq would have lost the war.But that was not what I was trying to say. And in fact the last 6 years of war were a treason to Iran and it was a crime committed by IR against our people. HOWEVER THAT WAS NOT RELEVANT TO THE POINT I WAS MAKING. My point was that since at the prime of those weapons we were on retreat and in their absence we were on the offense, it becomes fairly obvious that those weapons were USELESS and just with a well disciplined an motivated army with literally a fraction of the cost of those weapons we could have stopped Saddams advance from day 1!
people seem to forget that we are middle of a ressesion now and whats needed is free trade and economic development that war speeches. lot of people all over the world have urgent need they need housing medication acesses to proper education these needs are urgent and this is where the focus should be not war and nukes and what if the world ends tomarrow.
Let Iran help them, we've helped enough.
why exactly do we need more free trade agreements? ross perot had it right about nafta and every other free trade agreement has ended up costing us more jobs than any gains could counter.
the music is very good to listen to, but when an urgent call interrupts you stop the music and attend the urgent call. you can't build house while there's fire. you put out that fire first, then go on with the house-building project.
It seems everyone is missing the point here. Iran is a signatory to the NPT, and as such agreed to certain safeguards and checks to verify that they are not pursuing nuclear weapons. They are refusing to live up to that agreement, and and concealing/refusing to allow those checks/safeguards to be carried out. They have been refusing these same checks/safeguards for 10 yrs now. It is now at the point where they feel the international community should grant them concessions as a precursor to honoring the terms of the agreement they signed onto in the first place! What exactly do you folks think the international community sh ould do? Continue to talk to them sternly for another 10 yrs while they finish developing the weapons and means to deliver them?
Yet Israel has NOT signed the NPT, Israel has nuclear weapons yet doesn't disclose them and Israel has a dirty history or trying to sell their nukes to South Africa. Yet it is Israel who is bullying Iran and their nuclear program. Why is it Israel can do no wrong yet Iran who discloses their program far more than Israel has ever done is being threatened. With all these threat Iran would be STUPID not to pursue nuclear weapons.
Thanks Bricz you have made my point more forcibly than my words alone could have by ignoring the question at hand, and attempting to divert the subject to Israel.
Well done!
My point is made.
Israel is not a signatory of the IPT and doesn't "disclose" its nuclear weapons....so what if they do "declare" them? Does that all the sudden tell the world what they don't already know? You're concerned about this USELESS
"declaration"? Is this suddenly going to make it all better?
BTW, if you think that Israel is the reason Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, you're wrong...take a look just on the other side of the Arabian Gulf. This is about Iran trying to stop its increasingly marginalized status in the region and being "shown up" by other countries that have their economic "act" together and recently surpassing them militarily. Not ONE country in the region is siding with Iran to defend themselves from "big bad Israel"...yet the following countries in the region are ramping up their military cooperation with the U.S. and SIGNIFICANTLY since Iran started open its mouth about Israel: Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey...conincidence? I think not. There's a REASON Iran is ALONE in this region on this issue...and it isn't because of Israel's actions/words.
You are a liar Dan. Iran is living up to it's NPT agreements. The problem is that the NPT gives Iran a right that Israel doesn't want it to have plain and simple. Since Israel Firsters like yourself do not want Iran to have said right you invent stories about Iran not living up to its NPT agreements as justification for wanting to have Iran lose said rights. The fact is that you need to stick a LIE in there to make you case and once you have to LIE it means the truth offers no justification, legitimization, or vindication for your evil motives. Please enlighten us as to how Iran is violating the NPT. Give specifics of when where and how and not just general, generic lies. And spare mentioning the Parchin facility since Parchin is not a nuclear facility and as such the IAEA has no mandate or purview their.
Reply to Scott, should be rethinking about other countries like China,Rusia and now Iran . Even USA the most powerful air striker but Iran dont care or scare coz Iran has military what they need now. Dont dear mess with Iran no more and will ever dear Israel . I meant Too late to protect USA and Israel now if there is a war with Iran.
Nice spelling and sentenance structure, Victor. I'll bet your mom is real proud of you.
How about yourself, Jeeper?
lol smart
Victor, im not sure what you are smoking, but if Iran is to EVER strike Isreal or the US, A rain of havok will tear the Iranian Regime to shreds. Iran may have a military... but is decades behind the US. We can sit at a military base in Washington and push buttons and level that country. Iran better behave or its world will be turned upside down even more than it is now.
Jess, just how would we "level" that country and not use nuclear weapons? The foreign bankers that run the US want the OIL. Using nukes would prevent them from doing that! The bankers were hoping for a revolution but that didn't happen because the average Iranian lives a prety good life compared to those around him! They are VERY western in their society, unlike what the bankers want you to believe.
I rofl'd on this so hard at work lol if this was FB I'd like this status Jess. Iran declares war, we press button, Lake Iran
Can someone translate this for me please?
Neutron bomb kills people preserves property (Dead Kennedys)
Note to Iran – Sooner or later the US and the others are going to get tired of your talk and then you are going to not even see what is coming as your land is turned into glass. You might have a couple missile able to hit other places but you are always within range of our weapons based right here in America. Maybe you should think about cooling your mouth and start thinking with your heads for once.
Well said Robert.
What a stupid statement! How many times has the US threatened to turn a country into "glass"? How many times have ignorant web fools used that term? The foreign bankers that run the US won't allow it because they want the OIL.
Paul – As far as I know, the U.S. has NEVER threatened to turn a country into "glass'! Please illuminate us with your wisdom and knowledge. We're waiting with bated breath.
You have as yet NOT replied, Paul!
Well alright, lets go for the stern discussion. Oops, we have and where has that gotten us? Where we are today. Recently, during war actions, we have ousted and witnessed the death of Sadam, Osama and many high ranking Al Qaeda members. You are right, stern warning.
Iran has NEVER maliciously invaded another nation.
Israel is the one building undeclared nuclear weapons. And threatening to use them.
Iran is a signatory of the NPT , Israel is NOT.
You got that right, but convincing brainwashed Americans is another issue all together. I find it hilarious that the U.S. threatens but when they get threaten in a self defensive way, they cry foul..BOOHOO.
Not invaded, just DIRECTING terrorist organizations like Hezbollah to rain down 4,500+ rockets from within Lebanese civilian populations into Israel in the summer of 2006. More rockets in a couple of months than the entire 8 YEAR war between Iran and Iraq. KNOWING the Israeli reaction, Iran attempts this stunt to "deflect" world attention when the IAEA starts really looking at their nuclear program...but of course that is not anywhere close to putting their own forces on the ground to fight the Israelis right?
Cite your sources on official announcements made by Israeli officials threatening to use its nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive strike on Iran. All I've ever heard of are precision CONVENTIONAL strikes on selected Iranian nuclear facilties.
Further, Israel's nuclear weapons and anybody currently in possession of nuclear weapons would use them as a last resort. This "last resort" would be if Israel if they were on the verge of losing a CONVENTIONAL war and were on the verge of being pushed into the Med. They almost were pushed into the sea on several occassions and that's EXACTLY why they aquired them...its call a "deterrent", maybe you heard of the concept. The U.S. aquired nuclear weapons for the EXACT same reason Israel did, to counter a known conventional superiority of the Soviets in Europe...this "deterrent"
was the sole reason, Europe isn't speaking Russian today, and is most likely the reason why the Israelis have NOT ONCE gone through what they did in the 60's and 70's since...
Does it really matter if Israel "formally declares" is nuclear weapons? They didn't sign onto the NPT and regardess, everyone knows they have them, so that's a useless statement. Maybe Iran should not have signed on the the NPT and world wouldn't be so critical...
Well said Trevor, finally someone who isnt taking out of there ass and actually knows a thing or two. cudos!
lol trevor wins
This "last resort" would be if Israel if they were on the verge of losing a CONVENTIONAL war and were on the verge of being pushed into the Med.
Wouldn't it be nice if their "last resort" was to simply leave that land, like most of them have, 40 million jews live in other countries, only 6 million hard-heads live there, waiting for a miracle that hasn't happened in 5,000 yrs. A blessed land – in a desert? A blessed people, who have had thhe crap beaten out of them for 5,000 yrs?
Unlike the US financing alQuaida in virtually every conflict in the last 10 years? Providing them arms in Syria? The CIA publishing that the three people best to run Libya were former al Quaida detained in GTMO? Oh, yes, the USA is SOOOO much better! I wish we would just quit meddling in other countries affairs and killing millions of people in other countries. We have enough problems of our own at home to deal with.
BTW, how much big talk would come out of Israel if the USA stopped providing them $billions in military aide?
FREe OiL anD PeoPle
Oil is free. The cost is to bring it up out of the ground. You want truly free oil then you need to dig it up yourself. No one is going to pump it out of the ground for you for free. When the US is referred to a a "Free Country" they are referring to the ability to live your life as you see fit. They do NOT mean that everything does not need to be paid for. Would you work 40 hours a week for no pay? If you want someone to pump oil out of the ground 8 hours a day for free then you also need to expect to have to paint that guys house 8 hours a day FOR FREE...
By your definition, the USA is NOT a free country! And, under the last few presidents, we have become even less free and more fascist than ever.
Define Free Paul... do you really think that's how the world works? or should work? No...America is the most free country there is. I don't have to worry about much, I can make my own decisions.
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I WISH ISRAEL WOULD ATTACK IRAN AND GET THIS OVER WITH,THE POINT OF THIS WOULD BE THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT BUILDING WEAPONS AND THINK TWICE ABOUT PLAYING GAMES ALL THE TIME....YOU ALL KNOW IM RIGHT,,JUST ASK YOUR SELF WHY DOES THE USA SUPPORT ISRAEL....WHY ,,,THEN YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME....ALSO IT WILL BRING PEACE...IF YOU WAIT TILL LATER DOWN THE ROAD BY THAT TIME EVERYONE WILL HAVE BIG BOMBS...IF THEY SEE IRAN GET A ASS WHOPPIN EVERYONE WOULD SLOW DOWN AND TALK PEACE.......
NUKE BEFORE CHINA,,,RUSSIA,,,IRAN,,,AND EVERYONE ELSE BUILDS UP..ECSPECIALLY HAMAS...AND ALL OTHER GROUPS RELATED TO IRAN.....
The problem with that philosophy is that people won't slow down and talk about peace. they never do. all it would do would cause war. nothing good would come of it. there really isn't a reason other than keeping our word when it comes to why we support Israel so strongly. Really The U.S. shouldn't back them at all since they keep trying to pick fights with everybody.
cream puff
Mike B, I guess you will be the head of the line in the invasion? A lot of big talk for someone behind a keyboard.
Paul – And we ALL know that you'd be hiding under your bed if there was an invasion. Pantywaist!
I get a chuckle out of the old Soviet SA-2 Guideline missile depicted. That is Vietnam War era tack that the US figured out how to counter by the late 1960's. Modern SEAD, Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses, would render that system useless.
Might as well show an Etch-A-Sketch as a defense computer.
Let Iran blow up Israel (and vice versa). Two problems taken care of at once.
Love it! Get er done. Maybe afterwards the Jews will claim Manhattan as their new homeland. I'm sure they consider banks as holy sites.
lmao!
Does anyone remember Operation Praying Mantis? Well, even if you don't, the Iranians do. Their threats are idle talk, nothing more. They remember the beating they took from the US in 1988 and their military capabilities have not improved significantly since then while those of the US Navy whom they faced off against have improved dramatically in the same period of time.
yeah, its interesting for all the talk about how iran has never done anything to another country that the mining of the commercial waterways is forgotten. people may dislike reagain but he scared the cr0p out of irans leadership.
We have our democracy will you have yours–do not hang your fortune on chance–
We do not have a democracy. We have a representative republic. There are no countries in the world that have a true democracy.
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If Israel, with or without the knowledge or blessing of the US, conducts a surgical airstrike on an Iranian reactor, like they did to Iraq, Iran is threatening to retaliate against Israel and the US thoughout the region. Yeah, lets poke the big rabid dog with a stick. While I believe this to be political posturing and sabre rattling, if they were serious then they are far more stupid than i gave them credit for previously
To attack Iran would be world class stupid. Iran would not have to counter attack the US or Israel to cripple us. Right across the Persian gulf is a much of the the worlds oil waiting to be destroyed. Yes the Saudies and Iran hate each other. Would you like oil at three hundred dollars a barrel, for starters. They would not attack the straights of Hormuz and irritate the US navy with all those beautiful targets a few hundred miles away.
Any day I would trust the OPENLY radical Iran who swears that the US & Israel are their #1 enemy,
rather than
Deceitful Pakistan our ally from hell (as the Atlantic put it (Ref: Nov 4th 2011) who PRETEND to be our allies while DIRECTLY aiding the enemy and working for destruction.
Yes! Pakistan scares me.
Yes Moshe Ben Robert, of course you do. Enjoying your time at JNN?
good
What do you mean 'OUR', Amit. You are an Indian, a bollywoodbaboon, not an American.
Your use of the word "our" is misplaced. You are an indian.
Even if you have US citizenship (call center in Idaho)
you can still only have 1 "our" and yours belongs in india.
So Far Iran has not done anything overtly aggressive towards US or Israel apart from the Usual chatter. So I dont know whats all the fuss about. And Why does US have to play daddy to Israel. Let em Duke it Out with IRAN.
Some Guy, I agree. In fact I have seen the Pres. of Iran being interviewed in this country 4 times asking to sit and talk. Refused. He sent a letter to both Bush and Obama. Fun was made of the letters. During both Bush and Obama his country has been refused.
I do not see Iran as bullying us. I see Iran as responding to the sanctions we have put on them and insisted other countries do the same. We have no right to put sanctions on anybody nor they us. It is cruel and inhuman treatment to the masses of the people of the particular country. If there is a bully and a threatener it seems to me it has been the U.S. and Israel. I think most U.S.A.ans do not like this at all! Nasty and dangerous games that Obama and Bush and Clinton and the Sen. and Cong. will not have to send their progency to die in or be mained for life.
Honestly, if Iran and Israel go to war, Iran's gonna kill 10x more civilians than in any other war. I have a friend in Israel and she is an amazing girl. I don't want any harm to come to her, and she hates the wars. I'm gonna look at this from a personal stance. America better protect them, cause I don't think innocent civilians should be killed by Iranian missiles.
Here is how I perceive it, and the big guy won't be there to backup the yapping Israel.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?dkd1qid7ekszh71 (jpg)
I just love the way about how just a little bit of right-wing propaganda can scare the people almost senseless, judging by some of these posts here. Hopefully, I can drum up support for another one of my wars no matter how unnecessary it may be!!!
Killer, oh just pour your Jack Daniels over your grits and call it a night.
You call this "sabre rattling"? With Iran it's more like "pocket knife rattling".
kenknerr
I'd say its closer to "Pocket Pool"
I left Yahoo News because of all the broken winged broken claw war mongerin' Hawks of the ultra-right Neo Cons and Bikey Boys. And what's here? Any 'thinking' independants out there? Folk with some common sense? Or are you just sit-ins all day paid to do these ridiculous comments for the war mongers making it look like you are many? A lot of this sounds like the stuff I saw on Yahoo. Ya got me wonderin'.
It seems to me that since 1948 that every time there some glimmer of hope Israel takes some action to ruin that prospect. Lebanon was becoming stable and Israel destroyed the country again a few years ago and made it unstable. This was not a wise action.
I seem to recall Hezbollah destabilizing Lebanon by instigating that war by lobbing the most rockets EVER seen in 20 years into Israel from within the civilian population in a span of a few months (4,500+) equalling the number in the entire 8 YEAR Iran-Iraq war. A war the Iran DIRECTED against Israel via its proxy Hezbollah when the IAEA first started really looking at Iran's nuclear "program"...
Firstly, fuk ch1nks who pretend to be americans. No im not multicultural so fuk ch1nks. No respect for the enemies of our time. Again fuk ch1nks.
Oh yea? Well fuk w0ps.
You call for independents, but call anyone who disagrees with your war hawks. Seems you just wanted your opinion parroted back to you. You sir are a Judas goat.
Anyone who disagrees with me I call a Warhawk? Anyone who disagrees with me? No no no nooooo. Someone disagreed with me 50 years ago and I simply called them 'wrong'.
Oh, TomTom, don't go away, yoohooooo!---- –Sir is a Lady.
I agree 100%...intelligence is knowing when is the right time to go to war and when is the right time to back off. I honestly wonder if there are any intelligence in either Iran, Israel, or even here with our own gov't. I served this country during the first Gulf War and from my past experiences the most logical solution is to back off and let them over there handle it themselves, but if anyone over in the Middle East pushes us too far...then go after them with everything that we have...diplomatically first and then bring in the big guns.
The foreign bankers that run the USA thank you for your service! Maybe if we didn't outspend EVERY OTHER COUNTRY in the world for defense (OFFENSE), we could have a much better trading positin.
Inspite of deceiving Americans by people like CNN's Mr. Fareed Zakaria saying that:
a) Iran is a rational actor
b) A Nuclear armed Iran can add to the stability of the region by acting as a counter balance to Israeli nukes, and even Indian & Pakistani nukes MISLEADINGLY portraying India & Pakistan as adverseraies to Iran
c) By being the VERY FIRST journalist of repute(?) to MISLEADINGLY claim that an US & Israeli attack on Iran will be seen as YET ANOTHER front of the US war on Islam, something NOT even radical Muslim countries have claimed. On the contrary, the Saudis have been urging US to attack Iran, by saying that we need to "chop the head of the snake".
The only possible motive of Mr. Zakaria’s MISCHIEVOUS assertion…..is thwart any potential attack on Iran by COVERTLY influencing “naïve” American public opinion, and if an attack did indeed take place stir up greater problems for America all over the world incl. amongst the millions of Muslim Diaspora right here in the west.
A notable reference to such an eventuality can be seen from the ASTOUNDING statement by a senior Pakistani diplomat (NOT just another Pakistani!) Pakistani High Commissioner to the UK Walid Shamsul Hassan who warned of Terror on London Streets if the US drone attacks continued on his nation. He said “ There are over 1 million Pakistani Diaspora in the UK and they can make the roads of London less safe” (ref: Sunday Times Sept 8th 2008), and in eye opening 4 part BBC interview (ref: You Tube Oct 10th 2008).
So, even as a danger from nuclear armed radical Iran, and self declared Islam bomb possessing Pakistan (which in the words of Richard Clarke is adding to 100+ nuke stockpile like SAUSAGES!!!) remains, the REAL GREATEST DANGER is US complacency.........of doing nothing at all........and this is fed by internal elements such as Mr. Zakaria an active mouth piece for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranians, the Pakistanis and ofcourse the Muslim Brotherhood.
With credible reports that President Obama is considering Mr. Zakaria for the position of US Sec.of State in his second term, Americans can only pray for our country's safety!
As it happens all too frequently CNN's enlightened (!) moderators may delete my FACTUAL comments ( I can provide scores of references for everyone of my assertions, all from CNN's own archives or anybody can get them in a second by doing a simple Google check!). What they don’t realize is that the internet is just too vast and one can always have your say!
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
GOD BLESS AMERICA and nowhere else!
Had I been an Iranian, I would have said "God Bless Iran"!
I am a proud Indian and American – two of the greatest democracies in the world!
Thanks a million, ConservativeSuckAss. It does my heart wonders to read BS like yours above. Thr dumber the people are, the better!!!
It's a difficult discussion point but it all comes down to religion. Iran's government is in the hands of religious whack-jobs who accept a literal and harsh interpretation of an ethos that should be philosophical and kindhearted.
Once Iran lets it's people become educated and gives them the real option to throw off the shackles of their government's interpretation of Islam they should have access to Nuclear technology. And not a second sooner.
Anthony:
I would want to agree with you.
But Islamic radicalism is not limited to Iran, rather intolerance is the BEDROCK of that religion!
You are verbose and wrong. No country with the bomb since wwII has dared use it. The idea that Iran is not sane makes no sense. They have not started a war outside their boundaries in over two hundred years. Just keep beating the drums and you may get the war you want!
Well... I dont know about all that now
SO surprised Iran feels this way, afterall, they DO have a Muslim in the White House, so what's the big deal? Oh, that's right, I guess only CERTAIN brands of the "peaceful religion" are acceptable. What an enlightened religion it is – hey, if we're lucky, they'll all bomb each other out of existence and the remaining cavemen can eat oil and sand...
OldBiker: A Muslin in the White House huh? When are you bringing in the monkies bit huh? Lets have a fair playing field okay? Let's call the African Monkies (you guys like that). Let's call the Asians Ants. And lets call the semites spiders. And lets's call the European rooted Mosquitoes. Okay? All fair. Now this mosquitoe is going to go get a bite of lunch rather than of warmongering on a beat up ole Harley.
Can't stop laughing ...
You must be a chinaman because your english is bad. And you laugh at your own jokes as chinamen do.
But we (US) are more capable about 10 times more.
...?10.....try 10,000x more. It's all saber rattle. If Iran is stupid enough to attack the US, they know it will be the end of their country as they know it. There would be "shock and awe#2".
Why is it people are thinking that this will be Iran alone? Do people realize that Iran is larger than all the countries we fought in WW11–combined.
Why is it we, at no time, during Bush or Obama administration would accept Iran's invitation to go to the table and talk?
Didn't many of us vote for Obama because he was against war? Where's Joe?
We're in a bad situation and our greed and arrogance will be our downfall.
Lol, like the geographical size of the country matters. Hilarious.
CNN get your facts first and write the whole article
Iran did not threaten your beloved country.
a senior official in Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Iran could strike U.S. military installations in the region "within minutes." IF ATTACKED.
So, write the whole story "CNN" before readers"can comment.
A threat is a, threat.
Arbunkle or whatever: A threat is a threat is a threat unless it is the U.S. and gang right? Then it's a request.
Randomly bringing up how you would attack someone is a threat, even if its worded to seem defensive.
I guess you do not see Israel's threat of attack or US military base in the region a threat?
Iran will attack if attacked like your country would.
Iran always instigates with words and threats, and then cries victim.
A statement is not a threat if it is predicated on the wrongdoing of another. That is the law here in the US. Thanks for being another amb-ass-ador of ignorance for the US.
The U.S. military presence in the Arabian Gulf is going on 20+ years and the U.S. never comes out of the blue making statements like this... Iran as they feel the pressure of sanctions has become frustrated because they feel their influence in the AG being marginalized and countries like Saudi Arabia that have for the past 35 years been economically superior and within the last 5 militarily more capable. There is NO reason for Iran to make REPEATED out of the blue statements about what the "can" or "would" to U.S. forces in the region if attacked. But since Iran DOES, thats the very reason why Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Turkey have within the last year ramped up their cooperation SIGNIFICANTLY with the U.S. through military exercies. Not ONE country has "teamed up" with Iran in preparation for their defense...Iran is ALONE in this one for A REASON...
Oh, and BTW, all the cooperation has been at the REQUEST of these ME countries...not the U.S..
Great point Trevor. If it were the case that Iran was truly the victim in this (as some on this blog have attempted to make a case for) then why haven't they had another country coming to their defense? Why would their regional neighbors feel compelled to prepare themselves from threats coming from Iran? Israel's foreign policy has been shaped from their bitter experience in dealing with threats to their national sovereignty. Israel in turn has decided a proactive approach to foreign policy is necessary and allowing a country that has stated it should be 'wiped' off the face of the Earth from acquiring the means to do exactly that is unacceptable. May cooler heads prevail in the end war doesn’t have to be necessary.
If they have medium to long range missiles, yes they (Iran) are capable. They have cruise missiles.
If they have medium to long range missiles, yes they (Iran) IS capable. They have cruise missiles.
Not. Hope they t try though.
Bob- I'm in the CAOC in Qatar and you need to lock it up about things you obviously don't have a clue about...
Youre into coc? That's too much to know my friend. Go "lock" it up yourself.
"Noted". If you've got some buddies in the military...go ask them what it means, they know the definition of this term because I know you don't. Nice juvenile "retort". Do you have any other intelligent comment that you feel is a real "crusher" you want to come up with? Try again, because you failed miserably with the 1st one...
Let's not go to war again to protect Israel. We can not afford it.
Always paranoia during dangerous times. Israel and Ireland have been fighting others all my life of 72 yrs. Israel did not become the country me and my family had hoped. It is hardly a country of spirituality.
I now believe, because of their behaviors, they are a giant military base covertly acting like a country. I've had it with Israel. And The IRA also for that matter. Hopefully U.S. Jews and Western country Jews will hold back their money until the Israeliu leadership, w U.S. and U.K. and now Canada get their acts together towards peace w/o the bullying!
This is a very dangerous situation! Very, Why is the western power (U.S.,Uk,) and Israel such bully, arrogant, imperialist leadership? It is not who t5he people are/
I appreciate your response, Juda. It seems to me that everytime there appears a glimmer of hope, Israe does something to mess it up.
If you think this sabre rattling is because primarily because of Israel, you're wrong...this is about Iran and their losing influence in the Arabian Gulf to countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Israel is merely a "side show" in an attempt to gain sympathy from Iran's Muslim neighbors, yet it doesn't work, because Iran's neighbors know their real motivation, hence why they are cooperating with the U.S. in military exercises to preparation for Idefense against Iran NOT Israel...
Trevor, I do not think that Israel, Uk, or the U.S. and certainly Saudi Arabia are honest brokers. I doubt they are honest with one another and I'm sure they are not honest with their own people. I wish I could agree that this is just a few years old. But no. It's been going on all my life. And I'm almost as old as Sand.
Juda- What you "think" based off of what you read from open sources is one thing...I'm only coming to logical conclusions based on all the things I see/hear while I'm over here at the Combined Air Operations Center in Qatar privy to information that you're not...you can take that for whats its worth.
my grandfather once told me that ,onceupon a time himself and ,his fellow soldires were drifting in the battle field ,when they find an israeli soldire who did number 2 ,from fear.He kept crying and asked for his mama ,to come and wipe out his as
Your grandfather was bin laden, who is now dead.
Seif, let's try to do thiws argument somewhat intelligently, okay? Thanks.
Lets be realistic here, if Iran decides to play around, there are already multiple Carrier Strike Groups in the Gulf as we speak, and more on the way. It will be a quick and painful retaliation, with Iran getting a long hard one in the rear.
The war is terrible things but if no another way let be the war.
Iran you are a God dam n joke!! Quit putting your people in harms way
so you still want to make threats ira, your threats means nothing it's unlike the promise I made to you a few months back "do not look up" so keep on talkin, it only gets worse for you, khomeni and armadinajob
israel and usa troops are quite known by ..ssing their pants at war all the time...
No thats p1ssing ob their ebemies. See cnn article.
rthrth
I don't beleive that neither of iran ,or israel have the courage to strike one another.
Seif: Courage???? More like stupidity. Courage would be notifying our President to go to the table! This is not a football game or Nascar Race. Everybody seems to be playing checkers....and it ain't checkers! Are we so intellectually and technologically de-sensitized that we can not naturally sense that no onbe is being told the truth? Or are we as Philosophers of old have said: Not interested in the truth but rather a cause?
I like your philosophical quote here. If mankind could ever evolve to become rational, open minded thinkers our world would be a much better place.
wefrwet
Iran still remembers what happend to them during Operation Praying Mantis. They talk big but know their limitations. Nothing will happen.
Those are more empty threats meant to drive up oil speculation.
A vintage SA-2 ‘Guideline’ SAM as a weapon of threat. That is hilarious.
Sayan.
Test Comment.
The war would not be quick and good men, woman and children will died. The Russians will help Iran for as long as they can. China may try to play a part. In the end Iran will be turned to ash and America will have another county to rebuild at great cost.
All of this is more acceptable than allowing a mad-man to own a nuclear weapon.
semper fi
Thank you Thomas for your comment above. I'm counting on weak minded people like to support my wars against Islam. And don't forget about Iran's oil!!!
iran supplied arms to the afghanis, with the intent to kill american military, even before the battle of tora bora
prove it... sounds like more lies to me.
The US feeds Israel weapons on the backs of US tax payer well knowing the history of war crimes in that of Israel. Israel killed over 1500 people in the last Gaza assault including 800 women and children using White phosphorous in civilian area burning civilians to the bone, crime of war as a "response" to rockets from Palestine which to date have killed 14 people in over 13 years, more people die from slipping in their bathtub.
US Department of Commerce have discovered long time ago, about the mysterious behaviors of Pakistanis and Iranians in payments across continents .So every students of International Business Studies in USA,had to be highly cautious in dealing with those people from there.And now only International intelligences are discovering that Iran created the 911 disaster.
How could Iran get away with causing 9/11? We would've invaded Iraq and Iran at the same time if that were true. Sure, we may be getting smarter every year, but there's no way Iran could keep that secret
"International intelligences are discovering that Iran created the 911 disaster"
Right. And don't forget those Iranian agents who were shadowing the hijackers, happily filming the WTC attacks and later arrested with tons of explosives on the George Washington Bridge.
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/as-the-crow-flies/
William.....Ohhhhh God. State your sources please so we can check it out. Jeeze. Like the heat isn't bad enough. Now there's William.
Well some will say many things while others do many things , it is understood by the thugs of the world that obama is a fast talker with hollow results , well four months from now that could all change .
Asj bin, laden.
India is playing a double game with Americans in Iran. We are also aware of the other dirty games India is playing in the region...financing terrorists who are killing US/NATO/Pakistani troops ....undermining democracies, paying off some factions of talibans protection money so they won't do another Mumbai attack. India may pretend to drape itself in an American flag but it will never fool the world that the biggest threat to American interests in Asia and Middle East is India and their obsolete policies.
El: the boss? Oh stop it. Where is your resource? State it. If I were sitting in India and its proximity and its' need for oil for ifor its' people and economy -I'd be sayin' to me and meself..."Okay which way to go?, How do I survive againt all these nuts?"
whatever you're on i'll take 2
I DONT CARE WHAT THEY DO...UNTIL THEN...
I find it quite doubtful that the Iranians would be foolhardy enough to attack any U.S. military bases anywhere, although the right-wing thugs in Washington would love for that to happen. This will supply Killer O'Bama with a perfect pretext to invade Iran for it's large oil reserves.
what are you talking about, the war in iraq was a civil war but also one against iranian special forces, they have been attacking the us for a very long time, the people in this country are just too stupid to see the facts, iran sent all of its "elite" military forces into iraq iot prevent what would have been another invasion after bush's first against the axis of evil,
If we are told in a day or a year or 5 years that Iran fired first....how are we to know? Hummm? There isn't anyone who seems to care about the everyday like us: Israelis, Palistinains, Iranians, Afghans, Iraquis, or all the sons and daughters and husbands and wives and mommies and daddies of the so called allied nations that will die and be maimed. Is humanity not better than this?
They're as good as dead if they attack us or Israel. Don't do it.
israel is a weak nation, they would get decimated in a war against iran unless us intervention, iran is too mnts for an invasion of any sorts, the body count would be very large and israel cannot sustain a prolonged war....the answer is then to assasinate the leaders in iran, start with the president and work through he iatolas, the country has a youth movement as well, many people in iran are sick and tired of the persecutions against the undesirables, as long as the leaders agenda is to acquire nukes no action short of killing those leaders will prevent the country from gtting them, too many mountains in iran to say for sure that all the nuclear facilities would be destroyed, irans leaders should just be killed and a power struggle would keep them from getting the bombs they so desire
Israel standing army The IDF (Not the reserves) could decimate the Iranian army including the Iran Guard in about 2-4 weeks.
Well considering that the Israeli air force is pretty much the best in the world like united states navy pilots, combined with every American base in the region, a strike against Israel would be a costly mistake for Iran. Plus, the iron dome missile defense systems in Israel is top notch and the missile shields in our bases can stop just about any missile, Iran would be taken down.
?: Moving towards an answer is NOT violence but accepting the Iran offer to sit at a table and talk. Bush refused. Obama refused. Only certain people are allowed into the 'Club' at the U.N. Hey this is 2012.....why are we still Barbarians? Why have we not found a way to cooperate? Why do we have to have it all? Come on, we asren't really a stupid people--are we?
You guys always cry about israel bullying you.
Israel as one of the strongest forces in the world. Iran would be dust and so would anyone one else who messes with our ally Israel.
Who gives a crap who's stronger. It's all prideful banter.
The bullies and puppeteers in Israel are in for a rude awakening assuming they have the strength to win an Iran war. Israel cowardly used US $$$ to fight Hezbollah a direct neighbor and crude army only to be pushed back in their place without any form of victory. Iran is not Hezbollah and one can be assured if Iran is entered into war through Israeli / USA acts of aggression then Hezbollah too would be involved. Israel has no friend, in reality they have no friends in the USA either just strategic placements in congress, funneling money out of American's pockets into the hands of Israel, where they will continue to build illegally on land unowned to them.
Bricz – Have you fondled your goat today or stoned your wife? Pizzzant!