As talks with Iran stall, questions emerge over best way forward
EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton (2nd L), who is leading the P5+1, and chief Iranian nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili (R) take part in the talks on the controversial Iranian nuclear programme in Moscow, on June 19, 2012. Photo: AFP/Getty Images
June 22nd, 2012
12:00 AM ET

As talks with Iran stall, questions emerge over best way forward

By Jamie Crawford

With international talks over Iran's nuclear program seemingly stalled, pressure is building for the Obama administration and its allies to restructure its diplomatic approach before the window closes on diplomacy.

"Negotiations are really supposed to be all about a process of mutual confidence building, and this is a regime that is convinced that [the United States is] bent on eradicating their very survival, and at the same time, we are convinced that they will never play straight because they are determined to get a nuclear weapon," Suzanne Maloney with the Brookings Institution told CNN. "I think this is a structural problem rather than a problem of approach."

The Obama administration is pursuing a two-track strategy of pressure and diplomacy as a means of getting Iran to be more forthcoming about a program it claims is for peaceful purposes but is suspected of being a clandestine effort to build a nuclear weapon.

The third round of talks in Moscow between Iran and the so-called P5 +1, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany, ended without an announcement for a fourth set of political discussions. Technical experts from each side will meet in Istanbul early next month to examine the fine points of what both sides are proposing in negotiations, but what happens after that remains unclear.

"We don't want to have talks for talk's sake. We want to ensure that if we're going to continue this process, that it's going to produce results," State Department Spokesperson Victoria Nuland told reporters this week. "If following this July 3rd session [in Istanbul] we are still not making progress, we're going to continue to work together on what more pressure we can bring to bear, including on the sanctions track."

On June 28, the United States is set to enact sanctions that target any transactions of Iranian oil processed through Iran's central bank. And on July 1, the European Union will put in place a complete embargo on the purchase of Iranian crude. U.S. officials maintain the multilateral sanctions, and the intense pressure it is putting on the Iranian economy, is a main reason for getting Iran to the negotiating table in the first place.

The presence of long-time Iran backers Russia and China in the negotiation process has added a sense of urgency to the Iranians, U.S. officials say.

"One of the real successes of our diplomatic strategy toward Iran, which was to be willing to engage with them but to keep a very clear pressure track going, is that the Chinese and the Russians are part of a unified negotiating stance that we have presented to the Iranians," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday. "I think the Iranians have been surprised. They have expended a certain amount of effort to try to break apart this so-called P-5+1, and they haven't been successful. The Russians and the Chinese have been absolutely clear they don't want to see Iran with a nuclear weapon."

Some Iran watchers have gone so far as arguing for the United States and the EU to also pursue a complete embargo on Iran that would cut off any airline or shipping company in the world that lands or docks its vessels in Iran from the U.S. and European financial systems. The goals would be to eventually enact a total embargo on trade with Iran on a wide-ranging scale across the globe.

But as time goes on, and Iran increases its volume of enriched uranium that some analysts fear may be quickly bringing them to the threshold of weaponization capability, the looming possibility of Israeli military action to destroy Iran's nuclear complex makes a resolution in the talks more urgent.

Israeli officials have warned in recent days that the clock is ticking on negotiations with Iran.

"From my perspective, a military option is the last option," Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer Wednesday in an interview on "The Situation Room." "It is an option. The U.S. should prepare it. Israel should prepare it. And from my point of view, I believe that it should be by the leadership of the United States, and I see the prevention of any Iranian nuclear program as the acid test of the Obama administration."

And earlier this week, Israeli President Shimon Peres told CNN's Elise Labott in Jerusalem that "time is beginning" to run out for Iran and expressed skepticism about the chances negotiations will lead to anything.

"I am not sure that something will happen there," Peres said.

At a hearing before the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday, former U.S. officials said a credible and visible military threat toward Iran is needed to supplement ongoing negotiations over the nuclear program.

"Two successive administrations have said that a nuclear weapons-capable Iran is unacceptable and that all elements of our nation's power will be employed," to keep it from happening, former Sen. Charles Robb, D-Virginia, said. "Merely talking about red lines and keeping everything on the table, however, is not by itself enough."

The United States should preposition U.S. military assets, including strategic bombers and bunker buster munitions, across the region, Robb said, in addition to conducting broad military exercises with regional allies.

Stephen Rademaker, a former State Department official in the Bush administration who worked with Robb on an Iran task force at the Bipartisan Policy Center, said there was also concern over the Iranian interpretation of U.S. policy.

"And for every time that President Obama has said all options are on the table, there's been a statement by some other senior Cabinet official or some other official of the United States government suggesting that the military option really isn't a very serious option for the United States," Rademaker told the committee. "Our task force worries that the Iranians actually pay more attention to those signs of equivocation than they do the mouthing of these words that all options are on the table."

But even with the prospect of crushing economic pain and possible military action on the table, some analysts fear the survival of the regime is really what weighs most heavily in decisions coming out of Tehran.

"It seems like the supreme leader realizes that this is a choice he is facing between destroying his economy or giving up this nuclear option, and it seems like he has made his decision," Matthew Kroenig a former Pentagon official now with the Council on Foreign Relations said in an interview. "They have faced this choice in the past. It doesn't seem like they have ever seriously considered putting serious curbs on the nuclear program under pressure."

Regardless of the path forward for the P5 +1 from here, Suzanne Maloney with Brookings says the closer Iran moves toward weapons capability, the U.S. electoral calendar might also become a challenge for the administration's decision process.

"The administration is going to have a decision point, I think, over the course of the August, September time frame as to whether or not they can amass enough pressure on Iran to see some sort of concession from the Iranian side, or whether or not they need to move decisively on the very eve of an American election," she said. "It will be a cataclysmic decision, I think, however they move forward."

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  1. Jaiden

    e.l Posted on For one thing unless they're pushibled you mean writers'.Only you can decide when, as it needs to fit round you and your members' schedules.

    July 8, 2012 at 6:52 am | Reply
  2. Peikovianyi

    The best way forward is with heavily-armed, anti-Ayatollah resistence in all provinces of that shiitehole regime.

    July 1, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  3. yoshi

    keep diplomatic pressure on them but that's it – Iran is not going to bomb anybody, that country would be glass in an hour....we need to take care of America First – every American is sick of these wars...

    July 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Reply
  4. xfiler93

    5 to 10 well placed nukes should do it.

    June 30, 2012 at 1:41 am | Reply
  5. Wren

    This article's been up for a week now. Budget website.

    June 29, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  6. American

    The best way? Nuke 'em back to the stone age!

    June 28, 2012 at 8:20 am | Reply
  7. American

    The best way? Nuke 'em back to the stine age!

    June 28, 2012 at 8:19 am | Reply
    • Dan

      How about I come to your house and cut your throat? Maybe that would be best.

      June 28, 2012 at 9:07 am | Reply
      • Commojoe

        Dan, what possible sense did that comment make? If you don't agree with his thought, just say that.

        July 1, 2012 at 12:26 am |
      • Dan

        Because that ignorant f*** deserves to have his throat cut. And I would love to do it.

        July 1, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
  8. Shel

    America, otherwise known as Israel's military wing.

    June 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Reply
    • glennrobert

      Good point! We hate it when some country forgets that we are the only sovereign nation in the world and they should do as they are told. Attacking Iran would really be bad news!

      June 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  9. Madness Metrics

    If NATO is morally superior to Iran, which I have to agree with wholeheartedly, then NATO must look to its own proclivity to sneaky tactics, especially nuclear tactics. There is no way a morally inferior regime is not seeking fission bombs when NATO sneakily developed their own nuclear weapons from Uranium electric plants. Iran may not be currently, but it is definitely on cue later on, when they have fooled the prying eyes of the IAEA and given Moscow the greenlight that they can finally be their military proxy. USA pitted Russia against Afghanistan, now Russia is attempting to pit Iran against NATO. Except the USA did not arm Afghanistan with nuclear weapons. Bushehr was in retrospect a giant mistake and disaster. Iran does not need uranium energy with all the petroleum energy they have, and the wherewithall to go solar, water, geotherm, wind, etc. Obviously they are insisting on becoming nuclear. Not now, but in the future to use clever wordsmithing. There is a big difference between a conventionally armed proxy and a nuclear armed proxy that will most likely become independent of Moscow's bidding, and it is sheer madness on the part of Moscow to arm its Islamic neighbor with nuclear weapons material. You can bet that Iran will turn against a mostly Orthodox Christian Russia just as Pakistan has become a nuclear armed mistake. Yet, a regional war should be avoided at all cost. A war against Iran and its allies is a terrible idea sure to produce unpredictable and profound negative consequences into the long term future. Nuclear proliferation should not be allowed to happen, but this should be achieved peacefully, without war. Nobody's efforts at anything in life will matter in a global war with global depression. A miserable planet or a benevolent one, it is up to the world's power brokers to decide that fate. Islamic nuclear warheads do not fit into that picture of benevolent planet nor does WW3.

    June 27, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Reply
    • glennrobert

      There is no such thing as a benevolent planet You worry about a Muslim bomb and already mentioned Pakistan. Nonproliferation is a failed concept and we only bring it up to fit our political needs. Iran has not started a war outside of their boundaries in over 200 years. We can not solve Israels nameless fears.

      June 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
  10. gabe

    Jeremy Bernstein of the New Yorker wrote an interesting e-single on Iran's developing nuclear program. Bernstein is a physicist, but it is more of a history of how we ended up in this situation. Worth reading, for those interested: http://goo.gl/RvCmG

    June 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
  11. Marine

    Nobody on here is making any foreign policy decisions or has really any clue. Quit saying what we need to do on a blog on CNN like its really going to matter. All you get on here are the ignorant people beating the war drums and the stupid liberals who think just leaving everything alone is going to just fix itself.

    June 26, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Reply
  12. Rob

    Ohhhh, ohhhh…I can answer that one….NUKES.

    June 25, 2012 at 1:30 am | Reply
    • quiet_profi

      as Ehud Barak recently stated on US tv "we have a BIG STICK and we will use it"

      June 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Reply
      • quiet_profi

        BARUCH HASHEM

        June 26, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  13. jhalldor

    CNN, stop beating the war drums, enough of the false propaganda. Iraq and Afganistan were a mistake. No war with Syria. No war with Iran. Protect our own borders. Let the middle east take care of themselves and either learn to play nice or continue their endless hatreds. Americans do not need to die in their thousand year old wars. We can't afford it and it is not in our interests.

    June 24, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • Richard Good

      I may be wrong, but why is cheap energy not of anyone's concern exactly, would you give up your life style to be more of an isolophobic state?

      ~Rich

      June 24, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Reply
    • Jose

      Amen brother. We need to keep out of this. All we do is screw everything up, and spend billions of dollars we don't have.

      June 27, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
  14. The King

    It's way past time we, the people of the US, need to acknowledge that 1) It's not our responsibility to police the world 2) We've never been very good at policing the world. We've had our butts whooped pretty soundly lately in SW Asia, and I'm sure we'd get whooped again in Iran. Additionally, out iteration of capitalism (which profits from war, thereby pushing it down our throat), isn't what it was.
    Folks, lets do everyone a favor and let the adults handle Iran.

    June 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  15. Thinker23

    There are TWO ways to deal with Iran trying to get nuclear weapons. One is to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons using all necessary means including use of force. The other is to wait and deal with nuclear Iran...

    June 23, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
    • leonidas

      So world war three, or an Iran that is exercising its right to defend itself against Israeli, and American threats of invasion.

      Israel is not s signatory to the NPT, and those who argue that this makes them safer are moronic and dangerous.

      Israel is in far more violations of UN protocol, than is Israel.

      Hush, for you lack the ability to change fiction to fact. Stop trying.

      June 23, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply
      • Mike

        So you honestly think Iran is arming itself for defensive measures? Let me guess you're a liberal idealist who has no clue on whats really going on in the wolrd.AM I right?

        June 23, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
      • leonidas

        Let me guess, your a 19 year old moron who thinks he knows foreign policy like the back of his hand.

        You don't. Go fix your trailer.

        June 24, 2012 at 1:41 am |
      • jeff

        Mike, you honestly believe Israel is a better nation to have undeclared nuclear weapons?

        Get real.

        June 24, 2012 at 3:10 am |
      • Grim Reaper

        Hillbilly boy you obviously have forgotten 1979. Foreign policy expert you're not.

        June 24, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • Dan

        Grim, you obviously don't know why 1979 happened. You probably think it was because Iran hates freedom, right? It's called blowback, and the 1979 hostage crisis was OUR fault, as well as BP's

        June 25, 2012 at 8:31 am |
      • Iran is not a threat

        Well said leonidas

        June 26, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • zulu

      Thinker, is surely a joke name?

      How much more hillbilly could your post have been?

      Moron.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:15 am | Reply
      • terry

        What was your point again, dipshlt?

        June 26, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • jhalldor

      Remember the WMD in Iraq? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Nuclear war is not in Iran's interests. Israeli generals say the same. Israel needs to stop pouring gasoline on sparks.

      June 24, 2012 at 9:58 am | Reply
      • Agreed

        Israel makes it a top priority in foreign policy to instigate problems with its neighbors. What is worse is that they us all of their "paid" lawmakers in Washington to fight their battles for them...

        June 27, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Jose

      I see no reason why the shouldn't have them. Notice that countries with nuclear weapons don't get bombed by the U.S.

      June 27, 2012 at 10:35 am | Reply
  16. Illusion ©

    India is playing a double game with Americans in Iran. We are also aware of the other dirty games India is playing in the region...financing terrorists who are killing US/NATO/Pakistani troops ....undermining democracies, paying off some factions of talibans protection money so they won't do another Mumbai attack. India may pretend to drape itself in an American flag but it will never fool the world that the biggest threat to American interests in Asia and Middle East is India.

    June 23, 2012 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • leonidas

      Perhaps, after Israel...

      June 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Reply
      • Montrose

        Your funny. So Israel, our most trusted ally in the region, is a threat to the United States not the Islamic extremists states such as Iran? Israel has had nukes and has not used them. But imagine you are a tiny country the size of New Jersey and have already given land for attempts at peace and are surrounded by much larger nations that want to eradicate you from the Earth because of false religious beliefs. That is the state of Israel. In all of your posts you come off as an anti-semitic jew hater. Typical. Ask yourself why is Iran willing to undergo such political pressure and economic pressure to keep nuclear facilities? The U.S. has offered to help them obtain facilities that cannot make weapons grade plutonium. but no they are willing to undergo everything to have Nukes. And they have publically said they want to destroy Israel. Clearly an impartial mind can see the truth.

        June 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  17. Walter Sieruk

    Any "talks" with the officals of this Islamic "Republic" of Iran is at best an act of futility. This the officals put in office in this regime by president Ahmadinjad, Ayatollah Khameni and ther mullahs who are in power are all of the same hard core dyed in the wool Islamic fanatical mindset. It is impossible to have rational talks base on reason with religious fanatics. They will not respond to reason. They will dissimulate and be very disingenous in any so called "talks " with the officals the the six world power and the UN officals as well. The rulers of this regime will fake being interested in genuine dialogue to get as much sanctions lifted as possible. Not to make life more easy for the people of Iran but so they may hasten in their quest to obtain W. M. D. either by going nuclear or by any other means. As stated above they are not rational actors on the world's stage. For in their extremist Islamic delusional mindset they want W.M. D because they want their Mahdi to come and they believe W.M. D. is the way to make their Mahdi come. This is very hard for the people in the West to understand just how irrational these dictstors of this regime are. Nevertheless, they are dangerous for they also want W.M. D. because they hate the State of Israel, which they call the little Satan. They hate the United States ,which they call the great Satan. They also hate all the countries of the West and the non-Muslim people who live in them. In short, even the idea of having rational productive negotiations based on reason with these characters who are in power in Iran is both foolishness and folly.

    June 23, 2012 at 11:54 am | Reply
    • mardjan

      Hoe do you know? we have never tried!

      June 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Reply
      • leonidas

        The dudes nuts, pay him little mind...

        June 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • william adamsen

      Walter Sieruk ,you are the best thinker and I am sure you must be born in only genius sign of Aquarius.Us needs more people like you on the front lines, this I like to remind Mr Obama.Buddha did see the uranus ruling for the unexpected change of events ,but God had given the genius capacity to over come and be appreciated.Though the educated have capacity to do good deeds,the uneducated Mullahs of Iran only had the capacity to leave their mark as 911 creaters.

      June 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • william adamsen

      Walter Sieruk ,you are the best thinker and I am sure you must be born in only genius sign of Aquarius.Us needs more people like you on the front lines, this I like to remind Mr Obama.Buddha did see the uranus ruling for the unexpected change of events ,but God had given the genius capacity to over come and be appreciated.Though the educated have capacity to do good deeds,the uneducated Mullahs of Iran only had the capacity to leave their mark as 911 creators.

      June 23, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
    • Major Tom

      Let me guess – you're one of those people who still believe Iraq has WMD, and it's just a matter of time before we find them. And that they were behind 9/11. Put down the crack pipe and check into a rehab center.

      June 24, 2012 at 12:12 am | Reply
    • jhalldor

      The Rabbis calling for war are indistinguishable from the Mullah's. They are both full of religious hatred, each for each other. Not in our interests to get between two crazy peoples. Religious extremism in any flavor tastes bad. The truth is: the Iranian people and the Israeli people have much in common especially since the Jewish Religion originated as a branch from the Zoroastrian religion in Iran and the Muslims are themselves of Abrahamic origin. Remember the World Wars in Europe? Mutually destruction results in no winners. Let's not repeat the same in the Middle East. If the Arabs are intent on destroying themselves, we should stay out of it.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
  18. Scott

    The wicked witches on the east (Russia & China need to be removed from the UN Security councel. These two countries are hell bend on seeding discord and instabiliuty around the world and stand against the desires for safety that are held by other developed nations.

    June 23, 2012 at 5:07 am | Reply
    • mardjan

      US and Western nations have started three futile wars since 2001.They are all broke because of financing these wars and have created devastation in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Libya at the expense of their own taxpayers.All this following a doctorine based on an unimaginable greed. Russia and china have prevented them from starting a 4th one. As a US taxpayer I will go for that. Thank you Russia and China! With friends like Hillary who needs enemies!

      June 23, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
    • Zane Abdullah

      PAKISTAN !!!!

      THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
      FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
      US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.

      Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.

      No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.

      Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
      You deserve a permanent seat in the UN Security Council for your contributions to world peace and emergence of a new world order. We welcome your rise as the new regional military power. God Speed.

      June 23, 2012 at 11:57 am | Reply
  19. Bribarian

    Israel sign the NPT yet?

    June 23, 2012 at 4:38 am | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Israel will gladly sign the NPT and will dismantle its nuclear weapons when they will be convinced that it is safe to do. As of now the Arab states, Iran, the Palestinians and their friend did everything they could to convince the Israelis that the opposite is true, namely that they will destroy the Jewish State and exterminate its population as soon as they will be able to do it. Therefore, to assure peace and security in the Middle East Israel should remain stronger than all its enemies combined.

      June 23, 2012 at 6:04 am | Reply
      • mardjan

        of course by peace and security you mean the survival of the Israel. Iranians are just as mindful of their survival as you are. Besides being much less vulnerable.Have you thought what if the Iranians get the capability to make a bomb, at that time you will need a new theory and the time is fast approaching.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:15 am |
      • Ameritalib

        thinker23, that must be your IQ. Israel will seize to exist sooner than you think. It was established by evil and evil will be its destruction. God is great

        June 23, 2012 at 11:19 am |
      • Ameritalib

        The west got the native drunk and stole their land and here is US. The palestinians will never give up on taking all of Palestine back. Moslims will never get drunk enough for you to keep our land. Get the hell out of Palestine and go back to your rat whole.

        June 23, 2012 at 11:28 am |
      • leonidas

        Thinker, your defense of a country that has repeatedly threatened armaggeddon, is atrocious.

        Israel is only in danger from themselves.

        June 23, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • mardjan

      Iranians are convinced that the US and not the mosquito Israel will attack them at some point because of the oil reserves they have. When they are convinced that US will not attack them they will gladly dismantle their Nuclear bombs. Does that sound fair?

      June 23, 2012 at 9:12 am | Reply
      • Ameritalib

        All the Mosquitos of the world colud never do as much harm to humanity as one dirty JEW. please do not insult the poor Mosquitos. The PIGSand the MONKEYS (usa and israel) are criminals that always watching their backs,afraid of what others would do to them. You can hide and run till the day comes and justice will be served.

        June 23, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  20. Albuquerque, Turkey

    Because clearly a country that has had its entire political system upsurped and replaced by a dicator under the control of the U.S will have confidence in our country.

    I honestly can't wait for the 8 trillion $ plus war this is going to be because, we have to feed the oil companies more oil.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Reply
  21. Assyrian

    Our planet has been hijacked by fanatics on all sides. Unsolved issues around the world are piling up in all levels. WAR WAR III is coming. Buckle up because you aint seen nothing yet. Pray for peace and love.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:33 pm | Reply
    • Jose

      I think it has already started. We have already engaged in cyberterrorist attacks against Iran;which, don't let anyone fool you, is an act of war.

      June 27, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • Jeanne

      I don't agree with Shirin Hunter's view that Iran's foreign pcoliy has been inept; in fact quite the contrary. To remain independent in a region where U.S. hegemony has taken over demonstrates excellent political skills and smarts. Iran has demonstrated both. Iran may never be liked by Arab leaders, but it is sure looked up to by the Arab masses who are sick and tiered of their leaders being a puppet of the U.S. She should know there are two leaders who are praised in the Arab world, Hassan Nassralah and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Everywhere I go, whether it is in Europe, or the Middle East or Asia the general Muslim masses praise Iran whether they be Shiites or Sunnis. Hunter believes that Iran cannot remain independent therefore give in to the U.S. Imperialist power and Israel's desire for hegemony and expansion. This is what the Shah of Iran did and this is why there was a Revolution. She calls Mossadeq's foreign pcoliy as being stupid Wow! Who was it who broke the clutch of the British from domination and control of Iran's oil if not Mossadeq? It was definitely not the Shah whom she seems to admire.If Iran's foreign pcoliy was inept and stupid she would have been bombed to pieces by now, or a regime change would have taken place with the direct interference of the U.S.

      August 3, 2012 at 1:09 am | Reply
  22. Onikami

    BLOW UP THE WORLD. That's a single possibility. But it's possible maybe just the middle east. For now. Nuclear war will happen. the question is when, over what, and who will be the instigators and the survivors.

    June 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Reply
    • leonidas

      You misjudge the capacity of a MIRV warhead...

      June 22, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Reply
  23. joe

    In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missilesand aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of “very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift of supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option. [

    June 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Reply
    • historian

      That, is what real terrorism looks like...

      June 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Reply
      • young wolf

        They stole the plans for those nukes from France, along with jet designs.

        Rosenbergs anybody?

        June 22, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Are you trying to sy that the Jews are not supposed to defend themselves, genius? YES OR NO?

      June 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Reply
      • historian

        By blowing up the world?

        Then no....

        June 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
      • historian

        Plus it shows that Israel does not possess the indigenous capabilities to defend themselves.

        They need the US, or they can't function.

        Blowing up the world because people don't like you isn't an option...

        June 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
      • Thinker23

        "historian"... It's YOU who talks about "blowing up the world", genius. Neither I nor Israel said anything about it.

        June 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
      • Thinker23

        "historian"... You should make up your mind. If you believe that Israel can "blow up the world" it means that it has enough capability to defend itself even if the entire world will attack it.

        June 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
      • historian

        You know very little about Samson Option.

        Maybe you are stupid...

        June 22, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
      • Thinker23

        "historian"... It's not of your business what I know and what I don't know. Especially when yo're unable to support your own claims by anything better than insults. Calling your oponent "stupid" may work in a kindergarten but it does not really work in an elementary school and beyond.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
      • young wolf

        It's pretty obvious that historian is completely right, and you are mad that he won't reconsider your ridiculous apology for Israel.

        And he proved you know very little about Israeli strategic theory, or even its history.

        Thinker indeed.....

        June 22, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
      • blitz

        Thinker, you should be ashamed and embarrassed, for defending a nation that has perpetrated so many crimes against civillians.

        Mass punishment is NOT acceptable in the 21st century.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Blitz... You should visit your local library and read something about wars. You will be amazed to discover that civilians are being killed during ANY war. You will be amazed even more when you'll discover that no country has the magic weapon that harms ONLY militants. You will further be amazed if you'll find that it's the Palestinians and other Arabs who refused ANY peaceful solution since 1948 and are, therefore, responsible for the results. Finally, you will be amazed when you'll discover that Israel recognized all Arab states including the still non-existing Palestinian state since 1948. Only two Arab states recognized Israel, however.

        June 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
      • blitz

        They refuse a very poor deal. Obviously.

        You need the library, not me.

        Search white phosphorus.

        June 22, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
      • Felipe Lopez

        All people should be allowed to defend themselves when attacked.

        June 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Blitz... It is up to the Palestinians to decide what is a "better deal" for them. If peace is a "very poor deal" it makes no sense for them to complain about the results of their REFUSAL to make peace including blockades, military actions, occupation, settlements and everything else Palestinians love to complain about. They're getting what they ask for.

        June 23, 2012 at 6:10 am |
      • mardjan

        Not by blowing up the world, but then why wouldn't the Iranians have the right to defend themselves. After all they are surrounded by enemies.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:19 am |
      • leonidas

        Thinker, your a retard I'm afraid.

        The Palestinians will never be able to pose a catastrophe level threat to Israel.

        Those ILLEGAL nukes, are pointed at WESTERN cities.

        So keep defending your evil nation, people will hurt you when it falls from favor...

        June 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Terrorism is DELIBERATE ATTACKING OF NON-COMBATANTS WITH POLITICAL GOALS. In 1973, Egypt and Syria that enjoyed almost unlimited Soviet military and political support launched a surprise attack on Israel with a declared goal of destroying the Jewish State and exterminating its population. After 3 weeks of intense fighting Israeli forces pushed the Arab armies back but the amount of armaments and military supplies were coming to an end. Israel was facing two options, to allow its population to be slaughtered or to use nuclear weapons to defend itself. I'm sure that "joe", "Thor" and everyone else claiming that Israel WAS NOT supposed to defend itself would follow their own advice in case their own homes and families will be attacked.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Reply
      • historian

        They were planning revenge strikes against western targets.

        Read a book moron.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
      • Thinker23

        It were the Martians who were planning the revenge, Einstein. Read the book... It's called "War of the Worlds".

        June 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • young wolf

        One of the targets was Moscow. That is what made Nixon bend.

        Nixon saved the world, but sold his soul to that foul example of apartheid...

        June 22, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
      • Thor

        Which is weird, since I'M sure you are four or five of these Israel lap dogs, crawling over these boards.

        Filthy little sneak...

        June 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
  24. joe

    "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under. [22]

    June 22, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • young wolf

      Well, they are definitely mad dogs....

      We have a plan for mad dogs....

      June 22, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • glennrobert

      Just what Hitler did!

      June 29, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
  25. joe

    Ron Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust" Israel's surviving Dophin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option

    June 22, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • historian

      It's hard not to hate Israel after reading that...

      June 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • glennrobert

        Good point! This is what Iran can do if attack. Destroy the world oil market. The targets are right across the Persian gulf in Saudi Arabia and they hate each other. Oil at $300.00 a barrel for starters.

        June 29, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Thinker23

      "historian"... There is a difference between someone's book and the State of Israel. If you don't like the book there is no reason to hate Israel. In the world of grown up adults people judge other people, organizations and states by their ACTIONS. Not by fairy or hateful tales.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Reply
      • historian

        Golda Meir concurred I'm afraid...

        June 22, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
      • Thinker23

        You should not be afraid of yor own lies. Golda Meir NEVER threatened to "blow up the world".

        June 22, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
      • young wolf

        She threatened massive nuclear strikes.

        So yes, she did.

        If Israel nuked Moscow, the US would be destroyed.

        Are you quite simple, or just afraid of the yruth?

        Good post Joe!

        June 22, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
      • Thor

        Golda Meir DID in fact load bombers with nukes.

        If any soviet ally was attacked, the USSR would have retaliated.

        Damascus and Cairo were DEFINITELY allies of USSR....

        2 2.......=4

        June 22, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
      • blitz

        Exactly.

        That is why the EU voted Israel the greatest threat to stability in the region.

        Hilarious...

        June 22, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Felipe Lopez

      That would put a bounty on every Jew in the world.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Reply
    • Reader

      You are doing a great job of copying and pasting from wikipedia. Keep it coming!

      July 2, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Reply
  26. Ameritalib

    I dont need 72 virgins. I just need 2 more. i already had 70 in easy catch usa. catch them while they are young. before high school otherwise its used rotten meat

    June 22, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  27. Ameritalib

    "By ways of deception" read it idiots. Its not about baseball and new drugs

    June 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  28. Ameritalib

    A.I.P.A.C got this country by the balls. Americans too stupid to know that. They are busy looking for their next fix. Alcohol,drugs,pills, little boys in churches and trying to find their real dads

    June 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Reply
  29. Ameritalib

    nuke the zionist dogs

    June 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
    • Dave

      DO often hear voice in your head?

      June 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm | Reply
  30. Pharos

    Maybe we could send the Iranians presents. You know. Candies. Flowers.
    We could deport every Jew from Palestine. You know. Be nice.
    Then they will like us.
    he he

    June 22, 2012 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • Thor

      We could be fair and send them billions if dollars so they can break international law....like we do with Israel.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:02 pm | Reply
      • joe

        No, they might actually use it to better the lives of their people, and not buy American guns to kill children...

        God forbid....

        June 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  31. Thinker23

    As long as Iran is not willing to co-operate it means that it is happy with the currect situation. Therefore, the best way to make Iran to co-operate is to make it UNHAPPY with the results of its current policies (developing nuclear weapons and threatening to destroy Israel). Bombing is not the only and not necessarily the best way to make Iran UNHAPPY.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
    • Thor

      Iran has a right under the NPT to nuclear reactions.

      Israel, who never signed, does not.

      Israel is in more violations of UN resolutions, than any other country.

      Iran, is not.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
      • joe

        Exactly. Cheers!

        June 22, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
      • cdp

        Pakistan harbors terrorist they don't have a right to any kind of nuclear weapons

        June 23, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
  32. Theo Prinse

    I say bomb Iran !

    June 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm | Reply
    • Thor

      How about Israeli military installations instead?

      As they are the true threat...

      June 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Reply
    • Ameritalib

      Your mom should had aborted you like millions of your female dogs done in this filthy country

      June 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
  33. Bryan

    Once again the responses on here amaze me. Didn't anyone study World War II in school? One mad man caused the deaths of 55 million people because no one stopped him in the beginning. Iran can not get a nuclear weapon because they have already said they want to wipe another country off the face of the earth. But, yet, some idiots on here blame Israel and the United States for everything. Iran can not be allowed to make a bomb. If they do, how many people will die in World War III??? In the meantime, go back and study Hitler and how he came to power and how he caused the deaths of 55 million people!

    June 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Reply
    • Dominus

      Israel is following in the steps of the Reich. Iran is not.

      You moron..

      June 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
      • Bryan

        Dominus...you are the moron. I studied history in school. It's the idiots like you who don't learn from the past. Fine, let Iran get the bomb. And let them use it. And then let Israel unleash their 100 nuclear bombs. Let 50 more million people die and turn the middle east into a waste land. And then World War III will be called the war to end all wars......until World War IV.

        June 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
      • Thor

        Actually, Dominus is several times more intelligent than yourself.

        Get your money back from that history class lol

        June 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
      • joe

        Right, this bryan guy US one dumb sheep f ucker...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Dominus... YOu're obviously a very smart guy and should not have any troubles to answer my two simple questions:

        1. WHY would Israel be willing to attack PEACEFUL Iran?
        2. HOW will Iran possibly use hundreds of its intermediate- and long range ballistic missiles that cost at least $3 million each but are virtually harmless without proper warheads?

        June 22, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
      • blitz

        Those missles are extremely effective carriers for a range of weapons, the emp bomb being the most well known.

        Israel believes it cannot afford to loose one war, so it will attack peaceful Iran, if said country could POSSIBLY threaten it.

        Plus, Israel attacked the PEACEFUL USS Liberty. So who knows what they will do.

        Didn't you read about Goyan? They are mad dogs..

        June 22, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Pharos

      Dominus, how do you have the time to post here, what with all your Nazi marches and KKK cross burnings?

      June 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Reply
      • Thor

        How do you manage to find time away from repairing your trailer and looking for cigarette butts in the trash?

        Hush hillbilly, you embarrass yourself...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • gregingso

      Wow, are you really trying to compare a country like Iran to Nazi Germany? If Iran manages to build a nuclear bomb they will only be able to produce a limited number of them. Kind of like North Korea has done. The real threat of nuclear weapons is a rogue nuke in the hands of a terrorist group. You can stop Iran all you want from getting the bomb you are not going to stop Pakistan from continuing to proloiferate the technology to terrorist groups. If Iran is attacked that will give them the excuse they need to go full speed ahead with their program. That means we will have to occupy the country to accomplish your goal of protecting Israel. We do not have the military strength to occupy another country so that is not going to work. Continue the sanctions and make them as painful as possible. If Iran wants the bomb bad enough to build it despite the sanctions let them have it and make it clear what happens if they ever use it. The Iranian people are basically good people who want the same thing you want, to live in peace and have a prosperous life. Let the Iranian people deal have a chance to make their voices heard. Attacking Iran will be one of the biggest blunders of the 21st century if it happens.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Reply
      • Bryan

        The Nazi's were a small band of thugs in the 30's. But Hitler took over and look how he came to power and then you saw what happened. Your comment once again shows me how ignorant people are in their knowledge of world history. Iran can't hurt anyone now. But what happens if they get a nuclear bomb, even one. Thousands could die. And then everyone will be lamenting....why did we allow them to get the bomb? Hopefully, the world leaders of today won;t make the same mistake Nevell Chamberlain made. (Do you know who he is???)

        June 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
      • joe

        What happens when we stop paying Israel??

        They threaten nuclear war lime golda did in the 60's.

        It's YOU who are ignorant.

        So hush.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • gregingso

        Bryan, first of all you are not helping your case by insulting everyone on these boards. 'Peace in our time' , now do you believe I know who Neville Chamberlain was? This is not the same thing. First of all, sanctions are not the same as giving away a country like Poland. Secondly, you cannot stop Iran or some terrorist group from getting 'even one' nuclear bomb unless you want to start world war III right now and kill everyone who doesn't share your idealogy and views. Here is a scenario for you to consider. Let's say we go ahead and attack Iran to stop them. What do you think N.Korea is going to do, just sit there and wait until we get around to them. N.Korea has a half dozen nukes, so what makes you think the second we attack Iran that N.Korea won't send one of their half dozen nukes over to be used in the conflict. You are just going to cause the very thing you are trying to stop. Slow down and stop comparing apples to oranges; and please stop insulting me and others who know a lot more about history than you could guess. Insults do not make you sound intelligent or passionate, they just make you sound pathetic.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
      • Thinker23

        gregingso... Assuming that Iran will continue developing nuclear weapons the world has TWO OPTIONS. One is to deal with Iran not having nukes yet. The other is to deal with nuclear-armed Iran. Which one of these two options would you prefer if you were the World President?

        June 22, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
      • blitz

        If Iran chooses to develop nukes, you work within the frame of the NPT.

        Mutually assured destruction is a proven peacekeeper.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Blitz... Of course, "Mutually assured destruction is a proven peacekeeper". After all, the Arab terrorists who attacked the US on 9/11/2001 and their handlers DID NOT KNOW that they would be destroyed as a result...

        June 22, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
      • zulu

        Thinker, you do know that it was planes and not nukes that were used on 9 11?

        You come off as really stupid I'm afraid...

        June 24, 2012 at 3:21 am |
      • Iran is not a threat

        Righton gregingso, i feel the same way that if Iran wants a nuke, so be it but if you use it, thats another matter

        June 26, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Bryan

      Thor...you're an idiot too. Jews are superior to you. Accept it. Go back to your KKK meeting. LOL.....dick wad

      June 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
      • joe

        You just made me puke a little...

        Because you sound really gay...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
      • Ameritalib

        Bryan go find your dad. I could be the one, may be the mailman

        June 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
      • Ameritalib

        Hey you jew lover Bryan. the only way a jew is not hated is when he become a comedian. Go hollywood, introduce the world to more trash.

        June 23, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • glennrobert

      No country that has developed the bomb has dared using them. They are worthless as an attack weapon. Great in defense as per India and Pakistan. US. and Russia. Israel had two or three hundred bombs 25 years ago and they are in a state of panic over Iran? Propaganda says that Iran is suicidal there is no evidence of this. They have not started a war outside their boundaries in over 200 years.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
      • blitz

        Well, America used them obviously but I get what your saying.

        You are correct, Iran has never showed an intent to destroy themselves. They love life too..

        June 22, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Blitz... EMP bomb? This is one the weapons the Martians possess. Do you think that Iran signed a weapons treaty with them?

      I do not think that Israel will attack peaceful Iran. After all, Israel did not attack any other state without being attacked first. Of course, USS Liberty was a tragic mistake... but you believe that the Jews are superhuman and CAN NOT make mistakes, right?

      June 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Reply
      • leonidas

        You really come off as a born again moron...

        Am I right?

        Ps...any college can make a large emp....even the public school you attended.

        June 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Ameritalib

      Iran dont need to nuke Israel. one day the MOSLIMS shall unite and spit on the Zionist nation till they drown

      June 22, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Reply
      • Sri

        Can President Obama change a US poacitill culture bred in Soviet cold war period? We dictated two positions on the poacitill spectrum: “either you are with us, or you are against us”. President Obama from start had to make that distinction among nations. Our foreign policy would not allow non-compliance of other nations with our dictates on any issue. This is well depicted to our response to Brazil and Turkey approach to independent foreign policies in regard to Iranian Fuel Cycle. We still remember French Fries being renamed Freedom Fries. USA has international interests and her foreign policy is to force those interests. Any other independent position is not acceptable.It does not make any difference who governs Iran and state of democracy in the country; the objectives have been to keep Iran subservient to USA and a satellite nation. Iranian nuclear fuel cycle is not in violation of the International Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, but I think the insubordination of the Iranian governments has irked the US and English administrations. USA faced the same problems with Iran in short period before 1953; Iranian people wanted to think for themselves and a small branch of democracy was pushing through the burdens of many years of being remotely governed by England, Russia and later by USA.What are the interests of Iranian people? I think they should desire the same thing as any other sovereign nation, freedom from foreign intervention and national security.

        August 3, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • mardjan

      that was a misquote. So your first assumption is wrong. In this study case, you and Bibi are the mad men in question. Go and be mad on your own time and money not on US tax payer's.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
  34. AgeofInsanity

    Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • Dominus

      Dumb.

      And stupid.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
    • Ameritalib

      bomb your mama

      June 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
  35. Dominus

    This is obviously Israel attempting to weaken the allies of the Palestinians, so that they can continue with their uncompensated theft of land and resources.

    Israel is the greatest threat to humanity, and is in violation of more UN resolutions than ANY other country.

    June 22, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
    • Ameritalib

      Israel been around for 60 years too long. i think its time for the rats to go flush themselves somewhere suitable,like in the filthy land of the USA,city of jewyork

      June 22, 2012 at 11:31 pm | Reply
  36. Ralph in Orange Park, FL

    Given the history of how the US treated Iran, if I were an Iranian I would want nuclear weapons too

    June 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Reply
    • Dominus

      Which is incredible, since they DON'T want a bomb...

      June 22, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Reply
    • Pharos

      Dominus, are you Iranian?
      You lie like an Iranian so I just thought....

      June 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
      • Thor

        Dominus seems to have a high iq, something you couldn't possibly understand...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
      • joe

        Pharos obviously likes to play the submissive as far as Israel is concerned....

        F ucking fem....

        June 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  37. nondicta

    Well, first we need another Commander in Chief and Secretary of Defense...

    June 22, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
    • Thor

      No, not really.

      A gop patsy would garuntee at least 10,000 American dead in useless wars on israels behalf.

      What we need, is for you to read some books..

      June 22, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
      • Dominus

        You are correct, on all points...

        June 22, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
      • Bryan

        How many wars has the United States fought on behalf of Israel. NONE!!!!! What makes you think Israel wants US soldiers now? Israel can take care of themselves. They may purchase weapons from the US but that is as far as it goes. She knows how to use them.

        June 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
      • joe

        Golda Meir threatened Nixon with a regional nuclear war if we didn't Dave the Israelis with air lifted supplies during the six day war.

        Fact.

        Idiot...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  38. Anita Bongtoke

    Another war on the horizon... our blood, our treasure.... for what exactly? Who has Iran attacked in the last 500 years? Why are we as a nation so hell bent on bombing countries?

    June 22, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
    • Pharos

      I don't know. Who has Hamas and Hezbollah attacked.
      Please don't treat us as though we never finished grade five social studies – like you.

      June 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
      • joe

        Oh no!! Hamas is scrambling jets!

        Wait, no they have 70 year old guns and courage, not an advanced airforce....

        Moron.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • Ameritalib

        Pharos. the palestinians live with this mentality... live a life that pleases our friends and love ones or die in a way that hurts our enemy. every palestinian is a time bomb that one day will blow up in your face ass jew wipe

        June 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Israel did not attack any country during its entire history.

      June 23, 2012 at 6:12 am | Reply
      • Ameritalib

        Stincker23 go join the thousands of good loving jews in the graveyard, then go to HELL with the best jew HITLER

        June 23, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • mardjan

      US funds and trains the MEK and Jundullah, By your definition of “ attacking a country” Pharos, US has already attacked Iran and many countries including Russia. Has WWIII started and we don't know it? Covert operations do not equate "attacking” a country with your conventional military. Otherwise Israel has attacked practically all her neighbors and the Gulf States . Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting Israel not the US. When we here in the US say that a country has not attacked another country we mean that they have not violated their adversary’s territory. I don't know what your definition is in Isreal, go and blast yourselves against the Iranians if you so please . But remember , All Israel has to do is to abide by international law and negotiate with the Arabs in good neighbor . MKy advice to you is to change it and start considering yourselves the citizens of this world. Things will go better for you.

      June 23, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
  39. GOPisGreedOverPeople

    The GOP solution: Start a war with Iran (totally unfunded of course). Get the Poor people to fight/die in the war while giving the rich people "no bid contracts". Thus killing two GOP birds with one stone. Use Iran's oil to pay for the war. And when the war is over, Iran will sell us cheap oil!!! Just like in Iraq! Oh wait..............never mind.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
    • Thor

      It's not about money per se.

      The richest people on earth are old money Jews, who believe Israel to be the center of earth.

      They believe gentiles to be nothing more than harvest animals, from which they take money and not wool...

      They bought America, as one buys a gun at Cabelas...

      And you know they got a good deal.....

      June 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
      • Dominus

        Trading gold for American blood...

        I gotta puke...

        This has to stop..

        June 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • Ameritalib

        Thor Allah bless you

        June 22, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
      • Bryan

        How stupid are you? Do you really think the Jews have all the money? You've been to a few too many KKK rallies. Just because you are poor because you are a loser is no reason for you to blame the Jews for your shortcomings.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
      • joe

        Bryan, you are a moron in the first degree.

        You know nothing.

        Why does anybody with a conscious have to be a kkk member.

        Trailer trash...

        June 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Jose

      Give me a break. This sound like the Democrats plan as well. I can see by your username you are nothing but a partisan hack, and are what is wrong with this country.

      June 27, 2012 at 10:43 am | Reply
  40. Hahahahahahahahaha

    Here's Iran talking: blah, blah, blah, blah, death to america, blah, blah, blah, blah, death to america, blah, blah, blah.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
    • Pharos

      Your name is funny, but the rest of your post is a little blah...

      June 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  41. mardjan

    Actually James if the sanctions go into effect Iran will be further insulated from the pressures of the western economies. As the west has no more bargaining chips, they will have to let them keep whatever they want to keep. I highly doubt that Iranians will give up the underground enrichment facilities, after they have been targeted by sanctions. and war will be less likely because their installations are as invulnerable as before.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:05 am | Reply
  42. mardjan

    Is Hillary that ignorant? China and Russia have not backed and are not likely to back the EU sanctions or the SWIFT initiative. Considering the size of the Iranian oil economy. This initiative will result a shift in shipments, trade and money, from one customer to another and from one bank to another. not any real tightening of sanctions. I guess they really have to wait until july second to realize that Iranians have called their bluff.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:59 am | Reply
    • AlexShch

      Russia has railroad capable to transfer the entire amount of oil produced by Iran to China if such transfer will be requested.

      June 23, 2012 at 12:37 am | Reply
  43. James

    Western governments say Iran should give up enrichment completely or face more sanctions and even war. Iran says it has legal rights under NPT to have enrichment for reactor fuel and medical use. Iran believes that nuclear issue is only an excuse and at the heart of the issue is regional hegemony, controlling China by controlling oilfields that feed China's industries, energy security for the west and securing Israeli exapansionist policies and preserving status quo when it comes to preserving Saudi royal family, Bahrain sheikdom, etc. Obama has no political elbow room that allows him to negotiate with Iran, with Congress being in the pocket of neocons and AIPAC. What he put forward was what has been rejected by Iran for many years, meaning total cease of enrichment while the West goes forward with further crippling sanctions regardless of whether Iran chooses to give up 20% enrichment, close Fordow and ship out its 20% enriched uranium. Iran is supposed to do all that and get many more sanctions from 1st of July regardless !! In return Obama team suggested to provide Iran with spare parts for old civilian airplanes, a total joke from Iran's perspective. The question is why Obama wanted these phony negotiations that he designed to fail if not to justify a war on the side of Israel before the presidential election. Maybe he thought the war is coming and he will have to choose Israeli side or he will be kicked out of office. He needed failed negotiations for justification of a war. Iran sees closing Fordow and shipping the Uranium as only a prelude to a war and a preparation for it by the West. If they give up these, Iran believes a war scenario simply will become more possible. It is like Iran giving up its Ace card, thus assuring the success of a military attack on whatever is left and hence making war more possible. The public opinion in the West can easily be swayed to support any war.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:27 am | Reply
    • James

      I should add to the above that from Iran's perspective anything that US is doing, even the negotiatians, is a preparation for war. US denied Argentina to sell Iran fuel for its medical reactor that services one million cancer patients thus giving Iran the impetus to go ahead and enrich to 20% for the needed fuel. Then Obama backed down from a fuel swapping deal he had put forward himself, again proving that a solution and trust-building is not his real agenda. He is simply buying time for the appropriate time to start the war. In every negotiation the US raises the bar for the negotiations to fail.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:41 am | Reply
  44. quinterius

    Most of this article operates in a fantasy land. The negotiations failed because President Obama does not have the guts to stand up to Israel and because he cannot compromise with Iran during an election year.

    All this nonsense about Iran's nuclear weapons program is utter garbage since almost everyone agrees now that Iran has no such program.

    As for Israel attacking Iran, it is all hot air. Israel does not have the guts or the capability to attack Iran. In fact, Ahmadinejad called Israel a "mosquito" as far as Iran is concerned. And, if the US is stupid enough to take military actions against Iran, it better be ready to lose all its bases and Navy assets in the Persian Gulf.

    In review, one must ask how long is the stupid charade and the fight with imaginary windmills is going to go on? Obama is far worse than Bush in dealing with Iran. At least, Bush was stupid but honest. Obama is simple disingenuous.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:15 am | Reply
    • So What's Your Solution Idiot

      So exactly how should Obama "compromise" with Iran? And explain how the GOP wants to "compromise" with Iran?

      June 22, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
      • quinterius

        An uneducated imbecile like you who goes around calling people names does not have the intelligence to understand anything. So, go jump in a lake. And, who said the GOP is going to compromise? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

        June 23, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • paul

      No, its not true 'everyone agrees Iran has no such program'. In fact, its becoming clearer every day that
      Iran DOES have such a program. Of course, laypeople like us will never know what goes on behind the scenes
      but just the fact that Iran decided to bury their program deep underground indicates they see a need for secrecy
      in their operation. A medical or research program would not need secrecy.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
      • James

        It is not dug under ground for secrecy. IAEA has its cameras there and inspects the site regularly. What is secretive about it ? It is underground to safeguard Iranian nuclear industry from being easily wiped out by a military campaign.

        June 22, 2012 at 10:25 am |
      • Thor

        Mossad chiefs, generals, and experts...have all agreed that Iran is NOT seeking a fission bomb.

        So, wipe from your face AIPACS "friendship", and govern our f ucking planet properly.

        June 22, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
      • Thor

        ...

        June 22, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
      • nj

        .

        June 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm |

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